• Internet 'kill switch'

    From Khelair@9:91/11 to All on Sun Feb 15 12:01:00 2015
    Just curious as to what y'all might think about the internet kill switch that has allegedly come into being under Obama. Ever since I knew that it was a possibility, I've tried to make sure that my own system is set up to be able to handle as much of a communications blackout as possible, with FTN relays and the like set up, and POTS capability, along with AX.25, so that I can provide message traffic in and out of a blacked out area, hopefully. I'm always working on making my system a storehouse for useful survival and tactics information so that it's useful to anybody who might find it under such circumstances. At the very least, it'll be a great database for me if the grid collapses. *grin*
    Any opinions on such? I was going to write a little bit about the NSA and wiretapping, too, but I remember the first information came into being about the 'splice room' at MIT, where the NSA spliced out a feed of everything running through that backbone to themselves, but that came about in the '90s, and I'm pretty sure anybody interested enough in these concepts to have joined SurvivalNet already knows about that kind of stuff.
    Best wishes, y'all!

    -K

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  • From Tiny@9:91/7 to Khelair on Sun Feb 15 18:44:00 2015
    Hello Khelair.

    15 Feb 15 12:01, you wrote to all:

    Just curious as to what y'all might think about the internet kill
    switch that has allegedly come into being under Obama. Ever since I

    I don't believe there is an internet kill switch. The reason I don't believe? Most IT pro's wouldn't allow it.

    blackout as possible, with FTN relays and the like set up, and POTS capability, along with AX.25, so that I can provide message traffic in

    I have everything ready to implement POTS at the drop of a hat. I don't currently have it, but as I said... ready to go!

    Shawn

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  • From Khelair@9:91/11 to Tiny on Sun Feb 15 17:17:00 2015
    Re: Internet 'kill switch'
    By: Tiny to Khelair on Sun Feb 15 2015 18:44:56

    Just curious as to what y'all might think about the internet kill
    switch that has allegedly come into being under Obama. Ever since I
    I don't believe there is an internet kill switch. The reason I don't believe? Most IT pro's wouldn't allow it.

    Well as far as an actual 'kill SWITCH', I don't believe so, either. However, with how in bed the corporations have become with the bureaucracy that is our corporatocracy/plutocratic government, I do believe that whatever chief executive we have at the time is more than able to make a phone call, or notify whoever, and get the primary backbone providers to drop everything only leaving military communications intact. As much of a asset as it is for them, they will understand that it is also an asset for any people trying to network to resist whatever debauchery they might be up to.
    I mean, they're already doing 4G blackout of areas that have significantly motivated protests against them. Up until those points, the officers are often times at their terminals, and in their cars with terminals, monitoring all of the people trying to get footage out via livestream to work around media blackouts. They're working with this threat, and how to mitigate it. Being able to selectively black out areas of the country is, I believe, an option that they would not have ignored.

    I have everything ready to implement POTS at the drop of a hat. I don't currently have it, but as I said... ready to go!

    I wish I did. I'm still waiting on having the hardware for POTS and AX.25. Hopefully soon here. Just need the paychecks to start rolling in again!

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  • From Tiny@9:91/7 to Khelair on Mon Feb 16 07:21:00 2015
    Hello Khelair.

    15 Feb 15 17:17, you wrote to me:

    I wish I did. I'm still waiting on having the hardware for POTS and AX.25. Hopefully soon here. Just need the paychecks to start rolling
    in again!

    Understand what that's like. I'd just have to order a phone line and
    plug it into the modem and away we go. :)

    Shawn

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  • From Orbitman@9:91/8 to Tiny on Mon Feb 16 08:26:00 2015
    On 02/16/15, Tiny said the following...

    Hello Khelair.

    15 Feb 15 17:17, you wrote to me:

    I wish I did. I'm still waiting on having the hardware for POTS an AX.25. Hopefully soon here. Just need the paychecks to start rolling in again!

    Understand what that's like. I'd just have to order a phone line and plug it into the modem and away we go. :)

    Shawn

    I have an external 28.8 Diamond SupraExpress modem. Not sure if it works though. No hardline to check it with. I would hope it still works :)

    Got pleny of ham radio equipment though! My call is KG4CNA. Been licensed since 1999....extra class since 2009.

    As far as a "kill switch", I don't believe there is one. With all the tech available, it would be hard to completely stop it.

    Resistance Is Futile

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@9:91/4 to Tiny on Wed Feb 18 09:42:00 2015
    Tiny wrote to Khelair <=-

    I have everything ready to implement POTS at the drop of a hat. I
    don't currently have it, but as I said... ready to go!

    Ditto here. I have an unused POTS line at home that came with my cable
    service (mostly gets telemarketer calls and outbound calls overseas, but
    it's ready to set up as a BBS line if needed.

    Maybe we should have a backup nodelist ready?



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  • From Khelair@9:91/11 to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Feb 18 16:50:00 2015
    Re: Re: Internet 'kill switch'
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Tiny on Wed Feb 18 2015 09:42:00

    Maybe we should have a backup nodelist ready?

    I think that sounds like an outstanding idea.

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  • From Skuz@9:91/1 to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Feb 18 20:47:00 2015
    Hello Poindexter.

    18 Feb 15 09:42, you wrote to Tiny:

    Tiny wrote to Khelair <=-

    I have everything ready to implement POTS at the drop of a hat.
    I don't currently have it, but as I said... ready to go!

    Ditto here. I have an unused POTS line at home that came with my cable service (mostly gets telemarketer calls and outbound calls overseas,
    but it's ready to set up as a BBS line if needed.

    I still have my Cyclades 8-port serial card with Octopus cable, 4 USR ext v-everything, and one ISDN modem, from the old days. The copper phones are there just not connected anymore. Just waiting for the right time to use them again.

    Maybe we should have a backup nodelist ready?

    We can still us the same nodelist, just add the proper supporting protocal flags for each system using POTS. yes?

    ;S Nodelist Specification of minimal support required for this flag;
    ;S flag any additional support to be arranged via agreement
    ;S between users
    ;S
    ;S V110L ITU-T V.110 19k2 async ('low').
    ;S V110H ITU-T V.110 38k4 async ('high').
    ;S V120L ITU-T V.120 56k async, layer 2 framesize 259, window 7,
    ;S modulo 8.
    ;S V120H ITU-T V.120 64k async, layer 2 framesize 259, window 7,
    ;S modulo 8.
    ;S X75 ITU-T X.75 SLP (single link procedure) with 64kbit/s B
    ;S channel;Slayer 2 max.framesize 2048, window 2, non-ext.
    ;S mode (modulo 8);Slayer 3 transparent (no packet layer).
    ;S ISDN Other configurations. Use only if none of the above
    ;S fits.
    ;S
    ;S NOTE: No flag implies another. Each capability MUST be specifically
    ;S listed. If no modem connects are supported, the nodelist speed field ;S should be 300.
    ;S
    ;S Conversion from old to new ISDN capability flags:
    ;S ISDNA -> V110L
    ;S ISDNB -> V110H
    ;S ISDNC -> X75

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  • From Khelair@9:91/11 to Skuz on Fri Feb 20 18:47:00 2015
    Re: Internet 'kill switch'
    By: Skuz to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Feb 18 2015 20:47:52

    We can still us the same nodelist, just add the proper supporting protocal flags for each system using POTS. yes?

    Ah yes, that's right. God I had a 33.6K modem all ready to go, too. I guess it wouldn't work being as the connection to 'copper' that I have here is VoIP, but at least I wouldn't still be looking at having to snag the hardware.
    I wonder if the FTN transfers, were the fallback to have to go to AX.25, would have to be handled manually or what. I'm pretty sure that there wouldn't be software to handle that over radio just yet... Not that it'd really be that big of an issue to get the FTN bundle packaged and send it to someone via AX.25, even if it were just to send to someone that could forward it on to the normal connection provider.
    Copper is a great fallback, though. When I've got paychecks coming in I'll have modem and copper capability once again. I don't suppose anybody knows if VoIP capabilities have gotten to the point where the occasional dropped packets won't corrupt a modem signal yet...? Last I saw, wasn't even possible over 9600 or 2400 w/error correction, it was just losing too much data. That _was_ in like 2001-2002, though.
    I think that the VoIP connection here is handled by a Pi, though. I'm not sure how well that'd keep up... I may be underestimating it, though.

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  • From fU@9:92/1 to Khelair on Sat Feb 28 16:55:00 2015
    collapses. *grin* Any opinions on such? I was going to write a little

    yes. i don't know the exact description for the us-marked but in germany we have "gsm-modems" thats a device for your computer where you plug a cell-phone-card (simcard) and can use GPRS/EDGE modem to call other modems
    also POTS modems.

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  • From Khelair@9:91/11 to fU on Sat Feb 28 13:08:00 2015
    Re: Re: Internet 'kill switch'
    By: fU to Khelair on Sat Feb 28 2015 16:55:40

    yes. i don't know the exact description for the us-marked but in germany we have "gsm-modems" thats a device for your computer where you plug a cell-phone-card (simcard) and can use GPRS/EDGE modem to call other
    modems also POTS modems.

    I will have to look into the sim card modems. That sounds wonderful. I had only planned on POTS and AX.25. Thank you for the additional lead to check into! Once again, it makes me miss Germany, and the plethora of different carrier groups to connect to (D1, D2, O2, etc etc-- though those names may all be out of date by now, last time I was there was 2008), as well as the more advanced cell network that you guys had. I wonder if I can find anything like that in the US now, maybe even without having to search online being as I'm in a big urban spot now.

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  • From fU@9:92/1 to Khelair on Sun Mar 1 00:27:00 2015
    of different carrier groups to connect to (D1, D2, O2, etc etc-- though those names may all be out of date by now, last time I was there was

    D1 is now known as T1 network from the "Deutsche Telekom AG" D2 (former mannesmann D2) is now vodafone. both cell-networks are operating in the
    GSM-900 frequency. O2 and E-Plus are still on air. they using the 1800 frequency. that's the reason why you can have with another provider on the
    same place a different singnal strength.

    but that's not the end of the big cell-marked here. all those "big players"
    are offering sub-networks. E-Plus had a "low-cost or budget brand" called
    BASE and BLAU.DE. BASE have shops, and BLUE.DE is a prepaid-provider only.
    you can buy the sim-card in a grocery or a tech-shop. than you actived the
    card with a password via internet and can use this card. to charge your card with fresh money you can go to a gas-station or other stores and buy a charge-code. but i think that's no so much different as in the US.

    round about 40(!) cell-phone provider are on the marked. but all of them are
    a sub-company or a network-renting corp by one the big player.

    using cell-phone is very cheap. you can book a flat to all networks including the fixnet and mobile-internet for about 20 euros/month. 4G have higher costs and internationals calls also. people in europe how pay the most for the cellphone use are speaking also german (mostly). they live in switzerland :)

    ok enough about explaining for today.

    http://www.in.all.biz/img/in/catalog/152139.jpeg
    that's how a gsm modem look like.

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  • From Khelair@9:91/11 to fU on Sun Mar 1 05:29:00 2015
    Re: Re: Internet 'kill switch'
    By: fU to Khelair on Sun Mar 01 2015 00:27:37

    D1 is now known as T1 network from the "Deutsche Telekom AG" D2 (former mannesmann D2) is now vodafone. both cell-networks are operating in the GSM-900 frequency. O2 and E-Plus are still on air. they using the 1800 frequency. that's the reason why you can have with another provider on
    the same place a different singnal strength.

    The thing I miss the very most is being able to grab a quad-band phone over there and be able to _easily_ switch to whatever network I wanted. Vendor lock-in here is absolutely huge and atrocious.

    but that's not the end of the big cell-marked here. all those "big players" are offering sub-networks. E-Plus had a "low-cost or budget brand" called BASE and BLAU.DE. BASE have shops, and BLUE.DE is a prepaid-provider only. you can buy the sim-card in a grocery or a tech-shop. than you actived the card with a password via internet and
    can use this card. to charge your card with fresh money you can go to a gas-station or other stores and buy a charge-code. but i think that's no so much different as in the US.

    Well, most of that is the same as the US, it's just not quite as easy... For instance, you can't get a card except at the phone shop, and it's going to be vendor locked in. Switching to a new carrier is horrifying, and usually requires a new phone as well as a new sim card, unless you do some low-level hacking 'n cracking.
    Re-upping phones is tough, too. You can't just go anywhere and get a print- out. You have to go to one of the few stores that sell re-up cards to utilize, and those are only available for pre-paid phones. Some stores sell one and handle one, some sell another... Nothing you can re-up in a gas station, which is yet another thing I miss about being voer there.

    round about 40(!) cell-phone provider are on the marked. but all of them are a sub-company or a network-renting corp by one the big player.

    Damn.

    using cell-phone is very cheap. you can book a flat to all networks including the fixnet and mobile-internet for about 20 euros/month. 4G
    have higher costs and internationals calls also. people in europe how
    pay the most for the cellphone use are speaking also german (mostly).
    they live in switzerland :)

    Yeah I remember that. I can't complain, I'm getting my cell service for free right now, but when I'm paying for it again, I know my rates are going to be horrific compared to EU rates.

    ok enough about explaining for today.

    *grin*

    http://www.in.all.biz/img/in/catalog/152139.jpeg
    that's how a gsm modem look like.

    *takes a look*
    So that is RF to serial? Sorry, maybe I'm mixing up discussions here...

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  • From fU@9:92/1 to Khelair on Sun Mar 1 18:35:00 2015
    Some stores sell one and handle one, some sell another... Nothing you
    can re-up in a gas station, which is yet another thing I miss about
    being voer there.

    and i thought germany is complicated... ;)

    *takes a look*
    So that is RF to serial? Sorry, maybe I'm mixing up discussions
    here...

    yes it 9 pin serial but you can also find some usb-device as well. and there
    is another option you can use. buy a old cellphone i.e. from nokia with build-in-modem and a pc-cable from the phone to the computer. than you have also a gsm-modem with its own battery and signalstrength display. i used once the nokia 7110 cellphone and a serial data-cable as a gsm-modem. it's a question of costs and for what you need it. the external antenna on a compact gsm-modem maybe have a better signalquality. but the 7110 also supports on
    the top backside a external antenna-plug so you can choose what is the best solution for you :)

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  • From Khelair@9:91/11 to fU on Sun Mar 1 21:27:00 2015
    Re: Re: cellular services in Deutschland vs. USFA
    By: fU to Khelair on Sun Mar 01 2015 18:35:42

    and i thought germany is complicated... ;)

    Oh just wait until the bit I get to tell you after this next paragraph. *grin*

    yes it 9 pin serial but you can also find some usb-device as well. and there is another option you can use. buy a old cellphone i.e. from nokia with build-in-modem and a pc-cable from the phone to the computer. than you have also a gsm-modem with its own battery and signalstrength
    display. i used once the nokia 7110 cellphone and a serial data-cable as
    a gsm-modem. it's a question of costs and for what you need it. the external antenna on a compact gsm-modem maybe have a better
    signalquality. but the 7110 also supports on the top backside a external antenna-plug so you can choose what is the best solution for you :)

    That modem is outstanding. With the data rates that we end up paying, though, it'd have to be used for a very frugal amount of data. I didn't know that they sold them separate like that, though; that could be very useful.
    I've had a situation before where I had to rely on my cellphone as a modem like that, as well. I tethered it to my laptop and routed it to the other machines that I had in my apartment at the time. Best thing was, I had a good friend at the store who told me that data didn't count as minutes. She did sales there, and she'd been friends for over a decade. I figured she knew her stuff pretty well. So I had a permanent connection, but made sure not to blow the data cap to incur additional fees.
    Well when my bill came it turns out that she was totally wrong about the minutes... I knew it was an honest mistake, so I didn't try to get it resolved. She had been at that company for a long time, has gone places in it, and if I would've gotten her in trouble to the tune of a customer fee of over $1600, she wouldn't have made it where she got today. That's another things that the companies love to do to you here... They act like they know everything, and train their people that way, but they put out inaccurate information. The consumer always pays the bottom line, except in rare cases.
    Gotta love the United States of Fascist America.

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  • From fU@9:92/1 to Khelair on Wed Mar 4 17:05:00 2015
    consumer always pays the bottom line, except in rare cases. Gotta love
    the United States of Fascist America.

    you should work in the national tourist office :D

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