• Usenet-Next - A proposal to create a very strict NNTP network with nosp

    From Tristan B. Kildaire@9:91/14 to DOVE-Net.Internet,AGN_BBS,FIDO.INTE on Sun Nov 20 18:44:00 2016
    So, I was not born in the Usenet era and honestly would have like to had
    what they had - a standard protocol for communication. This exists today
    but guess what has happened to it, SPAM, SPAM and more SPAM.

    I want an NNTP network and I know many others do as well, I surely
    cannot be alone in a quest for a protocol which allows discussions on
    topics with any client you want to use. Therefore I want to create a new Usenet, in this proposal I shall refer to it as Usenet-Next as it needs
    a name that people can use to relate to this proposal.


    So how shall we make our network rid of spam. Well the thing is to be
    strict in both the user registration process and the server
    configurations and who our servers peer with. I am not well versed at
    all in NNTP but that is why I'd like to get you people to mail me
    (deavmi [at] disroot [dot] org) so we discuss the setup but also the
    rules for the network which will be very strict and lastly how these
    things are linked together.


    Remember, we are not migrating Usenet but creating our own network, Usenet-Next, therefore we will not have any relation to the Usenet
    network or community, the only relation we will have is making them
    aware of our new proposal and network.


    I would like to save the idea of a distributed network of servers
    tossing posts around to create a decentralized but common database of
    news - this is Usenet. I would greatly appreciate mail from anyone who
    would like to discuss this proposal and do some tests and setup the
    network. I would also like to note that I am not making myself the
    network king or anything, I just want to start the discussion.


    I am sorry for the spam I have caused. But spam is something that is
    useless, and this is not spam. I have contradicted myself there, sorry.
    I just felt that this is a matter of emergency. I don't want to resort
    to terrible centralized web forums, I love Usenet, even for the 2 days I
    have been using it but I could not come to terms with and accept the spam.


    Sincerely,
    Tristan B. Kildaire (Deavmi)
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  • From karl@9:91/23 to Tristan B. Kildaire on Sun Nov 20 21:54:00 2016
    I want an NNTP network and I know many others do as well, I surely
    cannot be alone in a quest for a protocol which allows discussions on topics with any client you want to use. Therefore I want to create a new Usenet, in this proposal I shall refer to it as Usenet-Next as it needs

    I agree that having a communication protocol similar to nntp would be desirable. My thought with regards to spam would be to take advantage of public key encryption would would allow tighter moderation/control of message sources. Messages don't necessarily have to be encrypted but they could be signed which means that the sender could be verified or the message would be rejected.

    Just an idea.

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    Karl
    The Search BBS

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  • From DevNull@9:92/8 to karl on Wed Nov 23 19:56:00 2016
    I agree that having a communication protocol similar to nntp would be desirable. My thought with regards to spam would be to take advantage of public key encryption would would allow tighter moderation/control of message sources. Messages don't necessarily have to be encrypted but
    they could be signed which means that the sender could be verified or
    the message would be rejected.

    Its a a very good idea. You can create some kind of revocation list and ban
    any public key used to sign SPAM messages. If your key is in the list, your messages are ignored by your server in the posting process (And by other servers in case one server is ignoring the main revocation list).

    And you don't need to modify current NNTP clients. Your server can do the signing proc once posted. And the signed message can be checked by other servers before proc and store them.

    You can create an app to report messages by users, if a message is reported
    by for example 30% of users, the key is automatically blacklisted for some
    time and if the user sends SPAM again, his key is blacklisted forever. Community self-moderated :)

    The main revocation list can also contain a list of hashed IP addresses
    to avoid spammer's registration in other servers, etc ...

    You can also add an scoring based on interaction. You will never post a response to SPAM, so, you can create a positive scoring based in number of responses by thread, etc.

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