• cold weather

    From Orbitman@9:91/8 to All on Fri Feb 20 04:46:00 2015
    I think this would fit nicely here :)

    How are you dealing with the extremely cold weather?

    I have natural gas heat and I supplement with a kerosene heater in whatever room I happen to be in at the time. It's a DynaGlo convection style (round) heater. Warms up a couple of rooms nicely in short order.

    I buy kero three 5 gal cans at a time. It's available at a local service station from a pump. So I haul my three blue containers down and fill 'em
    up. $4.00 a gallon here for the clear, K1 kerosene.

    Thanks!
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  • From Tiny@9:91/7 to Orbitman on Fri Feb 20 17:59:00 2015
    Hello Orbitman.

    20 Feb 15 04:46, you wrote to all:

    How are you dealing with the extremely cold weather?

    Electric heat in the apartment. Cranked up to 10 in every room.
    In other words, without the city I'd freeze.


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  • From Skuz@9:91/1 to Orbitman on Fri Feb 20 23:06:00 2015
    On 02/20/15, Orbitman said the following...

    I think this would fit nicely here :)
    How are you dealing with the extremely cold weather?

    Here my house is all electic, but I off-set the bill, by utilizing the fire place, buck-stove and dutch oven. By spending my free time in the summer
    months using chain-saw, log-splitter and axe/mall...I perpare for winter. Finding free coal in the appalachian mountains is fairly easy .. since my
    area is encompass by abandened railroad tracks and coal mines. Without electric power, the computer will stop working.. but I will stay warm, eat good food, drink and smoke whatever, ..pleases me. I have a Kenwood R-1000 SW radio,
    also a made in China, BAOFENG UV-5R hand unit. My porjects that are still in the works are Solar panels and larger aray of battery banks.. 6V and 12V.

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  • From Khelair@9:91/11 to Skuz on Fri Feb 20 22:02:00 2015
    Re: Re: cold weather
    By: Skuz to Orbitman on Fri Feb 20 2015 23:06:42

    How are you dealing with the extremely cold weather?

    Here my house is all electic, but I off-set the bill, by utilizing the fire place, buck-stove and dutch oven. By spending my free time in the summer months using chain-saw, log-splitter and axe/mall...I perpare for winter. Finding free coal in the appalachian mountains is fairly easy .. since my area is encompass by abandened railroad tracks and coal mines. Without electric power, the computer will stop working.. but I will stay warm, eat good food, drink and smoke whatever, ..pleases me. I have a Kenwood R-1000 SW radio, also a made in China, BAOFENG UV-5R hand unit. My porjects that are still in the works are Solar panels and larger aray of battery banks.. 6V and 12V.

    Nice! I wish I could say I had the resources to be working with anything like that yet... At my last place, I had been working with creating a fresnel lens array that was going to work as a heater... Had plans for a lot of photovoltaic arrays, also. Everything has been rough since I had to move away from there, though. Still working on establishing enough baseline income to be able to do anything for myself.
    What area do you live in, if you don't mind me asking? God that'd be an awesome set of resources to have. I've also thought about a parabolic trough style oil-based heat battery to set up for heating and/or energy production, though that idea was still pretty experimental. All I've really got now for electric is enough battery juice to keep my survival tome machine active for about 15 minutes once the power is cut off... I had a lot more, but most of it right now falls down to skills and tools. :P
    I still need to get more used to what this area has to offer for survival resources. The pacific nw, that is. Right now I'm still only used to how to survive on the plains, which is great for cold weather survival, but I'm pretty lost as far as what to do in the woods other than what boyscouts taught me so far. This temperate rain forest is totally new to me.

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  • From Skuz@9:91/1 to Khelair on Sat Feb 21 05:52:00 2015
    On 02/20/15, Khelair said the following...

    What area do you live in, if you don't mind me asking? God that'd be
    an awesome set of resources to have. I've also thought about a

    Not at all, google maps shows where Walnet Creek dumps into the Elk River is the northeast corner of my land. My back yard, goes for over 150 yards
    towards the river. My roof appears to be gray... even thought those photo are several years old. Green trees have replaced with deep white snow. Here, where Walgrove Rd runs into Duffy Lane is my Pvt driveway (gravel road). If any
    of you guys ever visit this part of West Virginia. That's where I live ;)

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  • From fU@9:92/1 to Skuz on Sat Feb 28 16:50:00 2015
    driveway (gravel road). If any of you guys ever visit this part of West Virginia. That's where I live ;)

    you know... if i can deal with the totaly exaggerated entry paperwork for the US i will visit your place. i know on the frontdoor with original german beer ;)

    i follow now for weeks WCVB bostons local tv-station. it's very heavy... also carol (from batlenet) wrotes yesterday, i guess, a mail that she is facing in some circumstances with a power outage.

    in germany most of the people are not heating with electric. most uses
    natural gas, teleheating and the cool oldschool way like skuz it does with wood-fired heating.

    so if a power outage happend, the most people kept her warm ass :)

    and there's a another point i can't explain by myself. may be some of you
    guys can explain me, why the hell the most powerlines in the US are unearthly and not in the ground, under the street?

    it's on every heavy-weather event that the powerlines cuts down, the transformators gets damaged and by strom winds the powerlines lie on the streets and be a safety hazard for people.

    as i grow up i lived in a very small village (300 lifes including all cows*g) and we also had the powerlines hanging in the air from house to house. but in the mid 80s (i feel so old everytime i write this) they bring the lines under the streets. and i guess in very big cities like newyork the powerlines are also under the ground.

    but germany is facing also a power blackout on the next solar eclips on march the 20th. in germany at a sunny day we produce about 400MW in a minute with
    the sun. the powernet will be lost and raise up a big amount of power in this time. and the electric companies are informed via media that many customers
    had to deal with a blackout. and we can't buy some power from our neighbours, well they also had the same problem. my bbs had a power-emergency-system also all telephone hubs, and cellphone radiotowers in germany had this too. so the bbs maybe still working at this time.

    it could be a good idea to calculate the complete power-usage of all the bbs-stuff and plug a fat solarpanel on the top of my garage :)

    and skuz is a lucky man he can walk around and find coal! all i found are mushrooms and couples having sex in the woods X.x also a kind of warming up :P

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  • From Khelair@9:91/11 to fU on Sat Feb 28 13:05:00 2015
    Re: Re: cold weather
    By: fU to Skuz on Sat Feb 28 2015 16:50:35

    you know... if i can deal with the totaly exaggerated entry paperwork
    for the US i will visit your place. i know on the frontdoor with
    original german beer ;)

    *laugh* Okay well I'm totally jumping into a discussion that doesn't have to do with me, I hope you don't mind. I wouldn't underestimate that paperwork, though. Trying to get my fiancee through immigration was so hard that it ended up splitting up our engagement.

    in germany most of the people are not heating with electric. most uses natural gas, teleheating and the cool oldschool way like skuz it does
    with wood-fired heating.

    Ansbach was different, as was Petersaurach. I got pretty fond of the tiny little electric water-heater that would exist in each apartment, that would keep a small (maybe 10G, not sure in L) amount of water hot enough so that it could power a full shower, load of clothes, or whatever. Seems a lot more efficient than the huge ones that we have here in the states normally, in most homes, where they keep enough active to superheat all of the water in the house for too long of a time; especially when there are no real insulation requirements on them.

    so if a power outage happend, the most people kept her warm ass :)

    For her sake, I'm glad my finacee isn't in Germany any more, though the fact that she met another soldier to marry after she ditched me does kind of stick in my craw a bit.

    and there's a another point i can't explain by myself. may be some of
    you guys can explain me, why the hell the most powerlines in the US are unearthly and not in the ground, under the street?

    That has been of great quandery to me, as well. I'm not sure, but it probably has something to do with the original schematics that J.P. Morgan drew up when he was first laying the power grid with Edison's help. I could just totally be pulling that out of my ass, though. It was, of course, Tesla who made it more viable with AC instead of DC.
    Some larger city areas have the power grid down beneath, along with the sewer equipment and everything, but it's very true, most of the non-ultra-urban areas in the US are blasting EM radiation all over the place with the above-ground lines, transformers, power stations, boosting stations, etc. It's been awhile since I've had the income to pick & choose carefully where I live, but when I finally can, I'll be on the lookout to stay as far away from this shit as possible.

    it's on every heavy-weather event that the powerlines cuts down, the transformators gets damaged and by strom winds the powerlines lie on the streets and be a safety hazard for people.

    It's ridiculous, absolutely.

    as i grow up i lived in a very small village (300 lifes including all cows*g) and we also had the powerlines hanging in the air from house to house. but in the mid 80s (i feel so old everytime i write this) they bring the lines under the streets. and i guess in very big cities like newyork the powerlines are also under the ground.

    Germany, right? They've always been ahead of the punch when it comes to power grid modification compared to the USA. All that our corporations care about is maintaining as much continuity as they can without major costs to revamp things, usually. It holds them back, but they keep the shareholders happy that way. Needless to say, I despise the system we have in place here. Europe would be far preferable to being here. When I attempted to relocate there, though... Well it didn't work. This network is not the place for such drama. ;)

    but germany is facing also a power blackout on the next solar eclips on march the 20th. in germany at a sunny day we produce about 400MW in a minute with the sun. the powernet will be lost and raise up a big amount of power in this time. and the electric companies are informed via media that many customers had to deal with a blackout. and we can't buy some power from our neighbours, well they also had the same problem. my bbs
    had a power-emergency-system also all telephone hubs, and cellphone radiotowers in germany had this too. so the bbs maybe still working at this time.

    I thought that they had plenty of backups for the grid that were non-solar. I mean I know about the distributed solar grid there, but aren't there nuke plants and/or coal/gas fired plants that can pick up the load? I'm genuinely curious about this.

    it could be a good idea to calculate the complete power-usage of all the bbs-stuff and plug a fat solarpanel on the top of my garage :)

    Took the words right out of my mouth. My main mission for this system that I'm running includes being able to power it from out of the back of a vehicle and/or at any station I may choose in between. I'd love to just tap into the Schumann resonance and pull the power I need, but barring massive influx of education on how to do this, I'll probably end up settling for a large bank of power cells, maybe the capability to transfer it to Pii to save power, and solar power, I'm not sure exactly what I'll do. If I'm roaming around in the PacNW here, I'll have to have other backups, too. Solar is not viable a lot of days out of the year in this area.

    and skuz is a lucky man he can walk around and find coal! all i found
    are mushrooms and couples having sex in the woods X.x also a kind of warming up :P

    Mushrooms are good!

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  • From Skuz@9:91/1 to fU on Sat Feb 28 15:47:00 2015
    On 02/28/15, fU said the following...

    it could be a good idea to calculate the complete power-usage of all the bbs-stuff and plug a fat solarpanel on the top of my garage :)

    For those of us in the USA, is link will help you figure out the average
    amount of sunshine needed to do a solar in your neck-of-the-woods.

    http://www.solardirect.com/pv/systems/gts/gts-sizing-sun-hours.html

    But yes, good things to think about and take into account, fu. You can also
    fab a exersise bike with an junk-yard car alternator.. and get you kids to
    use the peddle power to re-charge the batteries banks, when there is no solar sunshine ;)

    and skuz is a lucky man he can walk around and find coal! all i found are mushrooms and couples having sex in the woods X.x also a kind of warming up :P

    Speaking of mushrooms, I was once shot at..by a anger farmer for traspassing into the field of cows.. looking for mushrooms growing on the cow droppings. The sex in the woods.. got me rotflol ..hehe. been there done that ;)

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  • From fU@9:92/1 to Khelair on Sun Mar 1 00:00:00 2015
    *laugh* Okay well I'm totally jumping into a discussion that doesn't have to do with me, I hope you don't mind. I wouldn't underestimate
    that paperwork, though. Trying to get my fiancee through immigration
    was so hard that it ended up splitting up our engagement.

    your welcome, we both live in free nations, using the free internet under the eyes of NSA,BND and other funny hackers :P

    and sorry for the fiancee immigration case...

    Ansbach was different, as was Petersaurach. I got pretty fond of the tiny little electric water-heater that would exist in each apartment,
    that would keep a small (maybe 10G, not sure in L) amount of water hot enough so that it could power a full shower, load of clothes, or
    whatever. Seems a lot more efficient than the huge ones that we have

    yes and no :) mostly you can find devices hanging on the wall. this devices
    are going to heat the water if you need it. instand warm-water if you will.
    you are not running out of hot water on those devices. but they are another kind of warm-water-device that you can drop below your sink. it's the small version of this drama-big-drums-heater in your basement. it's hold up to 5 liter warm if you need it to wash your dishes or whatever. but this device needs power all the time not only if you need hot water. that device on the wall is called "durchlauferhitzer" and can possible translatet be "on the fly/flow waterheater" this kind needs more power. it's usualy connected to
    the highpower line (400Volts i guess). the stove and the durchlauferhitzer needs this highpower-line. all other devices like computer, tv, lights using the lowpower line on 230Volts. i don't know the power-stuff in the US. do you have also two connection-types of power?

    this device can powered with electric or with natural gas, which can drop the costs a bit more.

    That has been of great quandery to me, as well. I'm not sure, but it probably has something to do with the original schematics that J.P.
    Morgan drew up when he was first laying the power grid with Edison's
    help. I could just totally be pulling that out of my ass, though. It

    if it's true. tell the electric company to go a step into the future :P

    Some larger city areas have the power grid down beneath, along with
    the sewer equipment and everything, but it's very true, most of the non-ultra-urban areas in the US are blasting EM radiation all over the place with the above-ground lines, transformers, power stations,
    boosting stations, etc. It's been awhile since I've had the income to

    hmm..*gg maybe after the war - where bombs are destroid nearly all villages
    and cities it was cheap to drag the powerline under the earth... holes where enough there :)

    It's ridiculous, absolutely.

    and no one can tell me, that decades of repairing of the crappy system is cheaper as to bury the stuff on time under the soil. especially if you calculate with human lives in areas with serious weather...

    I thought that they had plenty of backups for the grid that were non-solar. I mean I know about the distributed solar grid there, but aren't there nuke plants and/or coal/gas fired plants that can pick up
    the load? I'm genuinely curious about this.

    it's not a problem with the backup it's a problem about to handle the loss of this mass of energie and how to offset the blast if the solar-plants are
    power back into the powernetwork. as exaple if you have a default lamp
    burning on powerboard with a hoover and you swith the hoover on, the light starts shortly to flicker. imagine this in a very very big amout of power.
    also if you turn off the vac the lights could shine a bit brighter for a moment. you can't blast away all fuse in the power-network :) that's the problem on this day. but we'll see what happend if the solar eclipse occured.

    what I'll do. If I'm roaming around in the PacNW here, I'll have to
    have other backups, too. Solar is not viable a lot of days out of the year in this area.

    for camping reasons you can buy in germany fuel cells. most of the modern campervans had on installed. its a great way to create power. but the aboriginal costs are not insignifficant.

    Took the words right out of my mouth. My main mission for this system

    what also means you understand my stuff - good to know :)

    Mushrooms are good!

    the sweets kind not the hallucinations kind ;)

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  • From fU@9:92/1 to Skuz on Sun Mar 1 00:03:00 2015
    i read in the fluph a reply on this topic to me. but it's not in my bbs and
    the mutil.log is clean - no pw problems.

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  • From fU@9:92/1 to Skuz on Sun Mar 1 10:27:00 2015
    But yes, good things to think about and take into account, fu. You can also fab a exersise bike with an junk-yard car alternator.. and get you kids to use the peddle power to re-charge the batteries banks, when
    there is no solar sunshine ;)

    oh no, than i have to kick by myself in the peddles... well, no kids around.
    i knew there is -one- oppinion why to have kids.... dawn!

    and i think it's a matter of size. same solar panels earn up to 60% on a
    cloudy day. but without a right sized battery you can't use the solarpower
    all the day.

    Speaking of mushrooms, I was once shot at..by a anger farmer for traspassing into the field of cows.. looking for mushrooms growing on

    that's a case that will not often happend here. yes clearly the farmer runs after you with a shovel or a pitchfork but he don't drag the gun out of his farmersuit and starts shooting. i hope the mushromms where it worth :)

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  • From Khelair@9:91/11 to fU on Sun Mar 1 05:05:00 2015
    Re: Re: cold weather
    By: fU to Khelair on Sun Mar 01 2015 00:00:54

    your welcome, we both live in free nations, using the free internet under the eyes of NSA,BND and other funny hackers :P

    *grin* Well, free being a relative word, there. ;)

    and sorry for the fiancee immigration case...

    It hurt bad at the time for years. Really bad. Our son was planned, no mistake, and we were going to be married. Yet with the things I found out during the pregnancy and through that period of horrific stress and desolation, I know that thing worked out for the better this way.

    yes and no :) mostly you can find devices hanging on the wall. this devices are going to heat the water if you need it. instand warm-water if you will. you are not running out of hot water on those devices. but they are another kind of warm-water-device that you can drop below your sink. it's the small version of this drama-big-drums-heater in your basement. it's hold up to 5 liter warm if you need it to wash your dishes or whatever. but this device needs power all the time not only if you need hot water. that device on the wall is called "durchlauferhitzer" and can possible translatet be "on the fly/flow waterheater" this kind needs more power. it's usualy connected to the highpower line (400Volts i guess). the stove and the durchlauferhitzer needs this highpower-line. all other devices like computer, tv, lights using the lowpower line on 230Volts. i don't know the power-stuff in the US. do you have also two connection-types of power?

    Interesting. I wasn't aware of all of the different types. God I miss German engineering.
    We have two different connections also, in most places I've been, yes. Standard 120V, with a limited amperage depending on the circuit, and then 240V, which always runs with a much higher amperage limit, ie for ovens, etc...

    this device can powered with electric or with natural gas, which can drop the costs a bit more.

    Nice, for sure. There's got to be a way to get some things like this in the USA, too. God I can't wait to have a house that I can fix and customize for maximum efficiency.

    if it's true. tell the electric company to go a step into the future :P

    I've stopped talkign to people like that for awhile now. They never listen to me and people with that much influence tend to have a really easy time getting the cops to brutalize people that they decide they don't like.

    hmm..*gg maybe after the war - where bombs are destroid nearly all villages and cities it was cheap to drag the powerline under the earth... holes where enough there :)

    That might just have that effect. :)

    and no one can tell me, that decades of repairing of the crappy system is cheaper as to bury the stuff on time under the soil. especially if you calculate with human lives in areas with serious weather...

    No, you're absolutely right. The problem is the short-term profit seekers who don't want to see their dividends drop for a short time for something that will have a much longer term benefit. It's all over USA's culture. Also, human life in industries like that is a common known factor, and they're comfortable with the risk and the amount that they estimate on a per-year basis to pay out to handle such issues. It's sickening.

    it's not a problem with the backup it's a problem about to handle the loss of this mass of energie and how to offset the blast if the solar-plants are power back into the powernetwork. as exaple if you have a default lamp burning on powerboard with a hoover and you swith the hoover on, the light starts shortly to flicker. imagine this in a very very big amout of power. also if you turn off the vac the lights could shine a bit brighter for a moment. you can't blast away all fuse in the power-network :) that's the problem on this day. but we'll see what happend if the solar eclipse occured.

    Gotcha. I would've thought there'd be stations set up to handle all of those transformations, along with the inductor and capacitance capabilities to keep current steady through that. That's one thing we've got pretty good here in the US, though now and then they get something they can't deal with, a breaker goes up, and you see a Jacob's ladder that can grow to a hundred feet high.

    for camping reasons you can buy in germany fuel cells. most of the modern campervans had on installed. its a great way to create power. but the aboriginal costs are not insignifficant.

    What kind of fuel cells? Are you talking solar banks? I remember seeing mats for solar banks; I almost picked one up for the beautiful BMW that I had while I was over there. I think it was just for battery charging, though...

    what also means you understand my stuff - good to know :)
    Took the words right out of my mouth. My main mission for this
    system

    :) Glad we're on the same wavelength.

    the sweets kind not the hallucinations kind ;)

    Of course I would never advocate expanding one's mind outside of the normal worker->business relationship that we need to stay within in order to keep making the ultra rich more wealthy. I'm not like that. I was totally talking about Shittake and Portabella mushrooms. ;)

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  • From fU@9:92/1 to Khelair on Sun Mar 1 18:28:00 2015
    Interesting. I wasn't aware of all of the different types. God I miss German engineering.

    i watch some series like the flash, arrow, the newsroom (quiet good as hell!) scropion and some other stuff in the original language and there is much influence of germany if they talking about hightech products or solid constrution. like "you can drive through the wall they had german steel in it" hmm i'm sure the US-steel is also a good obstacle to drive with a car through the wall. and it's a bit hard to imagine that our engineering is not setup to efficiency. you shot mans to the moon! (with a german rocket-engineer... i think i got now) we have the ideas and you build it big enough that it'll
    work and impress the world*g

    We have two different connections also, in most places I've been, yes.

    good to know, it's very nice to exchange some knownledge between continents. why the hell tom jennings have never got a nobel prize for the invention of
    the fidonet? yeah, ok... i'm drifting away :)

    What kind of fuel cells? Are you talking solar banks? I remember seeing mats for solar banks; I almost picked one up for the beautiful
    BMW that I had while I was over there. I think it was just for battery charging, though...

    a fuel cell (in german brennstoffzelle) is a chemical reaction device what produced electric power. basicly it works with H2, and O2. the anode is H2 and the cathode is O2 splittet by electrolyte (ions +powered). works like a lead-car-battery.

    the reaction of hydrogen (it can also be methane or methyl alcohol) and
    oxygen (from the air no liquid or cleaned oxygen) produced with help of the electrolyte membrane up to 1volt.

    in finished deviced more fuel cells are switched together so that you have 12volt and can use a inverter to gain the power up to 230volt if needed.

    the company EFOY sell this kind of fuel cell device where you can just put a default powerplug into it and the light is burning or the coffee is boiling.

    the best on it: NO exhaust that will kill you :) emissions free.

    the efoy comfort fuel cell can reach up to 105 watt (210 Ah a day) rund from -20 till +40 degree (C) you can plug 12V batteries on it and from there you
    can use a inverter and power all your stuff you need. with 0.9 liter per KWH you can run the fuelcell 24h a days with just 2 liter fuel. one 10Liter
    fuelcan (about 35euros). but it is just methyl alcohol in the fuelcans. there are a few other ways to earn this fluid ;) you have not to buy it from efoy..

    http://www.efoy-comfort.com/technical-data

    have a look :)

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  • From Khelair@9:91/11 to fU on Sun Mar 1 21:22:00 2015
    Re: Re: cold weather - german tangent
    By: fU to Khelair on Sun Mar 01 2015 18:28:13

    i watch some series like the flash, arrow, the newsroom (quiet good as hell!) scropion and some other stuff in the original language and there is much influence of germany if they talking about hightech products or solid constrution. like "you can drive through the wall they had german steel in it" hmm i'm sure the US-steel is also a good obstacle to drive with a car through the wall. and it's a bit hard to imagine that our engineering is not setup to efficiency. you shot mans to the moon! (with a german rocket-engineer... i think i got now) we have the ideas and you build it big enough that it'll work and impress the world*g

    I haven't seen any of those. I have a few series that I like, but usually when I find one I just get the whole thing and watch it start to finish. Of course, when they're still in production it's not quite so easy. ;)
    I've noticed a large amount of cross-cultural things like that, as well. I think the biggest mix that I see is when I see British shows, though. Not that I've been versed in German television since about 2007...

    good to know, it's very nice to exchange some knownledge between continents. why the hell tom jennings have never got a nobel prize for the invention of the fidonet? yeah, ok... i'm drifting away :)

    *laugh* What about Al Gore inventing the intertubes?

    a fuel cell (in german brennstoffzelle) is a chemical reaction device
    what produced electric power. basicly it works with H2, and O2. the
    anode is H2 and the cathode is O2 splittet by electrolyte (ions
    +powered). works like a lead-car-battery.

    When I heard fuel cell, this is precisely what I was thinking. Then I was like no, that couldn't be the case, we'd be having those all over the place in the USA, as well. Now, once again, I stand in awe at the stupidity of my government. Utterly ridiculous. I've studied the technology well, and have been waiting for it to come out. The fact that it's employed on country-scale in some places and yet we're still belching crap out that gives people diseases here is ridiculous.

    the reaction of hydrogen (it can also be methane or methyl alcohol) and oxygen (from the air no liquid or cleaned oxygen) produced with help of the electrolyte membrane up to 1volt.

    Yep. I can't believe these are widespread, but here they're still talking about the 'dangers' of hydrogen power cells. Mainstream propaganda, I mean media, here is ridiculous.

    in finished deviced more fuel cells are switched together so that you
    have 12volt and can use a inverter to gain the power up to 230volt if needed.

    I need these, por dios. I'm going to end up ordering some from Germany if I can't find any stateside. Hell, the German ones are almost certainly made better, anyway. Planned obsolescence here is a huge thing. If they make it to break in a year they know that they'll have more revenue come that time. Capitalist assholes.

    the company EFOY sell this kind of fuel cell device where you can just
    put a default powerplug into it and the light is burning or the coffee
    is boiling.

    the best on it: NO exhaust that will kill you :) emissions free.

    Nice. I am dripping with jealousy. You already have some of these cells, or are just planning on getting some?

    the efoy comfort fuel cell can reach up to 105 watt (210 Ah a day) rund from -20 till +40 degree (C) you can plug 12V batteries on it and from there you can use a inverter and power all your stuff you need. with 0.9 liter per KWH you can run the fuelcell 24h a days with just 2 liter
    fuel. one 10Liter fuelcan (about 35euros). but it is just methyl alcohol in the fuelcans. there are a few other ways to earn this fluid ;) you
    have not to buy it from efoy..

    I can imagine a hell of a lot of applications for this. I know of some ways to make methyl, also. Thank you for all of the information on this, it is extremely interesting to me, and hopefully valuable in the future.

    http://www.efoy-comfort.com/technical-data
    have a look :)

    Why thank you muchly, sir. I shall, indeed, take a peek. ;)

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  • From Tiny@9:91/7 to fU on Mon Mar 2 05:25:00 2015
    Hello fU.

    01 Mar 15 10:27, you wrote to Skuz:

    and i think it's a matter of size. same solar panels earn up to 60% on
    a cloudy day. but without a right sized battery you can't use the solarpower all the day.

    I drove a truck driver Saturday to walmart. He was telling me about his house in NOva Scotia. He's in the country and 100% off the grid. His solar array and batteries give him all the electricity he needs. He also jars all his veggies, and grows as much himself on his land.

    He's "80% self sustaining", and working on becoming more and more. The
    one thing holding him back now is just getting enough battery storage to run
    a deep freeze for the summer months. He currently only turns on his small fridge when it's very very hot, the rest of the time things go in the cold room.

    Was a hell of an interesting guy. Drives transport 5 months in the winter and farms / plays with batteries in the summer (as he says).

    Shawn

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  • From fU@9:92/1 to Khelair on Wed Mar 4 17:26:00 2015
    *laugh* What about Al Gore inventing the intertubes?

    you can't serious compare tom jennigs with al gore, thats like tim berners
    lee (oh he's "sir" since a few years) with george w. bush... ;)

    Yep. I can't believe these are widespread, but here they're still talking about the 'dangers' of hydrogen power cells. Mainstream propaganda, I mean media, here is ridiculous.

    on the now running tradefair for mobile-stuff a poket fuel cell has been presented. its a quiet bigger than a card-reader and a credit-card and it can charge your phone. the credit-card component calls "power-card" (i guess)
    will be pushed into the card-reader like device (which had a usb-port to plug the charging-wire on it for the smartphone/table) and than the reaction
    starts and the fuel cell is running. the inventors company (MyFC) told, that the fuel cell is running with salt and water, no critical fluid. and you may drop the power-card in every litter (trash) you found. it's not a hazard-type of trash. from hearsay the device with a few power-cards (eaqual to 2000mA battery) will cost about 90 euros. the manufacture also said, that shipping starts this year, nov. the product is called "JAQ" and was invented by a swedish corp.

    this makes a quick-charge very more possible as to carry a fat-one-fuel-cell-unit with you around :)

    I need these, por dios. I'm going to end up ordering some from
    Germany if I can't find any stateside. Hell, the German ones are almost

    http://www.efoy-comfort.com/de/map

    have a look they are some dealers in your country ;)

    Nice. I am dripping with jealousy. You already have some of these cells, or are just planning on getting some?

    bought last year one for my fathers mobile-home on his garden-property (a german think you don't have a garden on you house, you rent or buy something else one and build a house there what you only use if you're in the garden...)

    he's running all what he need. can watch tv, cooking and freezer runns with natural gas.

    it a very good working device. he had put a Y-adapter on the tube, so he can use twice can with the fluide on the same time, thats makes the fuel cell a
    bit more maintenance-free.

    I can imagine a hell of a lot of applications for this. I know of
    some ways to make methyl, also. Thank you for all of the information on this, it is extremely interesting to me, and hopefully valuable in the future.

    that... i was sure about :)

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  • From fU@9:92/1 to Tiny on Wed Mar 4 17:36:00 2015
    Was a hell of an interesting guy. Drives transport 5 months in the winter and farms / plays with batteries in the summer (as he says).

    i think so too! if i would own the internet, or had all server in a 400
    stories wide basement under my garden i would also start to become self sustaining.

    i have so small things... it's great to have a minty plant where you can boil your own peppermint tea from.

    and i want to perpaid all the tech-stuff against disturbance from the
    outside. the very bad-stuff is the electromagnetic pulse. to make your tech proof for that, you have a build our own shelter i think...

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