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    From Exodus@25:25/0 to All on Wed Jul 27 18:26:25 2022
    Ha, I was chatting with Cott Lang on Indeed. He asked me why people still had interest. I said because it's there. :) And it's Renegade. I still can't convince him to telnet over though. :(

    He was telling me how towards the end how he basically wanted someone to verify code or test, and people just bitched and moaned that it wasn't what they wanted. So, I guess the story was true. :)

    Maybe I'll go ask him if he wants to write some code for JAM message base support. <G>

    Funny who you can find. Now if I can just get a response from Charles Gafeake (sp?) OF CDRmail, that'd be awesome. Would love to see the code on that.

    ... What is this tiny hole in the bathroom wall for?

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  • From Shitty@25:25/10 to Exodus on Wed Jul 27 22:54:09 2022
    Ha, I was chatting with Cott Lang on Indeed. He asked me why people still had interest. I said because it's there. :) And it's Renegade.
    I still can't convince him to telnet over though. :(

    That's cool! I've always wondered what his deal was and that sorta explains a lot.

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  • From Zero Reader@25:1/112 to Exodus on Thu Jul 28 10:53:17 2022
    Quoting message from Exodus to All
    on 27 Jul 22 18:26:25 ...

    Ha, I was chatting with Cott Lang on Indeed. He asked me why people st had interest. I said because it's there. :) And it's Renegade. I still can't convince him to telnet over though. :(

    Glad he's still around. It would be great to see him telnet in.

    -ZR

    ... Let's get some beer and dynamite and go fishing.

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  • From Lux@25:25/22 to Exodus on Sat Aug 13 21:19:02 2022
    Ha, I was chatting with Cott Lang on Indeed. He asked me why people st
    Dude thats awesome

    can't convince him to telnet over though. :(
    Not so cool, would be proud of whats become of it.

    ... Nice guys finish last, but we get to sleep in.

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  • From Exodus@25:25/0 to Lux on Sun Aug 14 10:18:58 2022

    can't convince him to telnet over though. :(
    Not so cool, would be proud of whats become of it.

    He said it looked cool ... was surpised anyone would want to run his old stuff and that it actually still loaded. Said too many new features to run the old stuff. He has the same thoughts on JAM message bases as we do ... yuck .. too much work for no real payback. That is what he said made him start thinking of quitting ... well, that and the asshole users.

    ... Windows: big, expensive, pretty virus.

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  • From Exodus@25:25/0 to Lux on Sun Aug 14 10:21:06 2022
    Ha, I was chatting with Cott Lang on Indeed. He asked me why people st
    Dude thats awesome

    I was telling me on that Christian BBS that Jamtone runs ... told him how he said my version would release a virus to his system everyday and how horrible it is and how Cott's (his) version was the best. He laughed.

    ... One good turn is usually enough to get a person lost.

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  • From Atreyu@25:25/5 to Exodus on Sun Aug 14 18:44:54 2022
    On 14 Aug 22 10:18:58, Exodus said the following to Lux:

    He said it looked cool ... was surpised anyone would want to run his old stu and that it actually still loaded. Said too many new features to run the o stuff. He has the same thoughts on JAM message bases as we do ... yuck .. t much work for no real payback. That is what he said made him start thinking of quitting ... well, that and the asshole users.

    That stupid Jam format is a HUGE pain in the ass to write code for, because part of it insists that you store message kludges seperately... for no reason.

    I did get 90% done adding it to D'B but gave up.

    Atreyu

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  • From Exodus@25:25/0 to Atreyu on Sun Aug 14 20:23:12 2022
    That stupid Jam format is a HUGE pain in the ass to write code for, because part of it insists that you store message kludges seperately... for no reas

    I did get 90% done adding it to D'B but gave up.

    I know ... I would LOVE to add it ... but I don't see the worth .... If someone wants to write it, hell yeah I'll add it. Do we need it? No. Would it be nice? Yes. Would anyone use it? Maybe.

    ... I thought you would've ducked.... honest.

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  • From Atreyu@25:25/5 to Exodus on Sun Aug 14 22:45:27 2022
    On 14 Aug 22 20:23:12, Exodus said the following to Atreyu:

    I know ... I would LOVE to add it ... but I don't see the worth .... If someone wants to write it, hell yeah I'll add it. Do we need it? No. Woul it be nice? Yes. Would anyone use it? Maybe.

    Why would you love to add it now? Its introducing a storage format that is 30 years too late.

    Jam is an absolute clusterfuck of programming. I can't even BEGIN to explain how fucked it is. Theres a reason every BBS author uses the same Pascal unit written by some masochistic weirdo years ago. Even Mystic uses it.

    To do something so simple, like load one fucking message into memory... Well that takes several operations, several files... several fucking variables.
    Did I mention that kludge-lines must be correctly parsed and reassembled
    into the body of the message (because those are stored seperately) and you
    must increment a retarded access-counter... to load one fucking message.

    I'll save you the fuckery involved in writing a simple message to a Jam base.

    This is a format written by that Frontdoor dick of an author and a couple of l33t teenagers. I'll never understand why its popular and why the concept of storing messages on a BBS had to be so fucking complicated with the most
    fucked of formats. *.MSG, HDR/DAT actually isn't bad compared to fucking Jam.

    Atreyu

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  • From paulie420@25:1/104 to Atreyu on Mon Aug 15 20:23:46 2022
    I know ... I would LOVE to add it ... but I don't see the worth .... If someone wants to write it, hell yeah I'll add it. Do we need it? No. it be nice? Yes. Would anyone use it? Maybe.

    Jam is an absolute clusterfuck of programming. I can't even BEGIN to explain how fucked it is. Theres a reason every BBS author uses the same Pascal unit written by some masochistic weirdo years ago. Even Mystic
    uses it.

    The only thing that would make bbS messaging better is simple forum-style threading - and PPL don't do it b/c its not compatible, easily or in a way that could be implemented, with FTNs/Fidonet style bbS networking. So who fucking cares which format a bbS software implements? Do whatever w0rks for your userbase and is accepted by the bbSes that *still* run your 30 year old bbS softwarez - it doesn't matter. ;P

    Without threading, who cares - and the community won't accept a threaded future, so whats the point of arguing over which way is implemented into, again, 30 year old tech... *everything* is 30 years old. JAM/squish/Hudson/etc -

    blah.

    We're forever going to be 330, 331, 332, 333, 334 - who cares Pascal function devs use???



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  • From Atreyu@25:25/5 to Paulie420 on Tue Aug 16 06:58:04 2022
    On 15 Aug 22 20:23:46, Paulie420 said the following to Atreyu:

    The only thing that would make bbS messaging better is simple forum-style threading - and PPL don't do it b/c its not compatible, easily or in a way

    I'm savvy enough to read messages without threading, have done so since I first signed onto a BBS. Maybe its a preference thing.

    Threading is another thing that requires a stupid amount of logic to program, just to group related messages together... and kludge-line nonsense.

    We're forever going to be 330, 331, 332, 333, 334 - who cares Pascal functi devs use???

    The end-user doesn't care, but it says a LOT about a message format that its so convoluted one chooses not to write their own code to handle. There aren't exactly a bunch of devs writing code for this anymore.

    The whole point was not to see Renegade get any added stupidity and JAM is a perfect example of. Adding a stupid library just to handle the act of storing messages in a few files.

    Atreyu

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  • From paulie420@25:1/104 to Atreyu on Tue Aug 16 18:13:09 2022
    The only thing that would make bbS messaging better is simple forum-sty threading - and PPL don't do it b/c its not compatible, easily or in a

    I'm savvy enough to read messages without threading, have done so since
    I first signed onto a BBS. Maybe its a preference thing.

    Same; just saying that theres not much to DO w/ bbSes IMO, because they're perfectly retro already. Just tighten up the code and offer sysOps tools to write add-ons thru scripts or some sort of language.



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  • From Zero Reader@25:1/112 to Paulie420 on Wed Aug 17 10:24:43 2022
    Quoting message from Paulie420 to Atreyu
    on 16 Aug 22 18:13:09 ...

    Same; just saying that theres not much to DO w/ bbSes IMO, because they're perfectly retro already. Just tighten up the code and offer sysOps tools to write add-ons thru scripts or some sort of language.

    There are some softwares that do message threading, like BBBS for instance. I thought Synchronet did it also.

    I'm in the same camp as some other folks here; threading doesn't seem crucial.

    I've sort of reached the point in the BBS journey where I prefer keeping it retro and not trying to bash in all kinds of new age features. Old curmudgeon status unlocked...

    -ZR

    ... The illuminati aren't out to get you. What was your name again?

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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  • From paulie420@25:1/104 to Zero Reader on Wed Aug 17 18:02:55 2022
    There are some softwares that do message threading, like BBBS for instance. I thought Synchronet did it also.

    Woah; I had no idea BBBS had that feature. I think one of the main reasons new software doesn't do this is the FTNs would never be compatible. Still, I think local message bases on bbSes would be better w/ threaded posts.

    klud.ge:23 is a bbS software written by the sysOp; he recently switched it over to a retro Apple system and new code, but the old code had decent threaded locals... it was nice to see and it read well.

    I'm in the same camp as some other folks here; threading doesn't seem crucial.

    I agree. For me, bbSes are historical, retro; I'm fine w/o, but when forums came around I was always amazed at how much better reading the threads was that the bbSes from my yesteryear.

    I've sort of reached the point in the BBS journey where I prefer keeping it retro and not trying to bash in all kinds of new age features. Old curmudgeon status unlocked...

    Same... :P



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  • From Lux@25:25/22 to Exodus on Sat Aug 20 00:41:33 2022
    He said it looked cool ... was surpised anyone would want to run his old st and that it actually still loaded. Said too many new features to run the stuff. He has the same thoughts on JAM message bases as we do ... yuck .. much work for no real payback. That is what he said made him start thinkin of quitting ... well, that and the asshole users.

    Thats awesome, I can't wait to roll out my next idea. I need to finish the one im working on 1st. as for JAM bases, nothing really has much real payback,
    if your doing it for the asshole users.

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  • From Lux@25:25/22 to Atreyu on Sat Aug 20 00:44:07 2022
    I did get 90% done adding it to D'B but gave up.

    Come on, add it the rest of the way kludges need to be stored seperately for no reason whatsoever.

    ... Patience and time do more than strength or passion.

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  • From Lux@25:25/22 to Atreyu on Sat Aug 20 00:50:02 2022
    This is a format written by that Frontdoor dick of an author and a couple o l33t teenagers. I'll never understand why its popular and why the concept o storing messages on a BBS had to be so fucking complicated with the most fucked of formats. *.MSG, HDR/DAT actually isn't bad compared to fucking

    I remember this discussion decades ago but really forgot all about JAM its about as important now as the reiser file system.

    Good on the dick of on author to actually get that mess working but that seems like added bloat and I don't feel its got a place in the Renegade.

    Maybe someone get it working on the already bloaty Major.

    ... You're staring at me like I'm driving the nails.

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  • From Lux@25:25/22 to Paulie420 on Sat Aug 20 00:54:53 2022
    The only thing that would make bbS messaging better is simple forum-style threading - and PPL don't do it b/c its not compatible, easily or in a way that could be implemented, with FTNs/Fidonet style bbS networking. So who fucking cares which format a bbS software implements? Do whatever w0rks for your userbase and is accepted by the bbSes that *still* run your 30 year ol bbS softwarez - it doesn't matter. ;P


    Typical newschooler, Mystic boards have that forum stuff right? I think that would be kinda tough to get working on something like Renegade.

    "lux liked your message"
    :Sent on my Ipod Shuffle:

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  • From Zero Reader@25:1/112 to Lux on Sun Aug 21 09:56:47 2022
    Quoting message from Lux to Paulie420
    on 20 Aug 22 00:54:53 ...

    "lux liked your message"
    :Sent on my Ipod Shuffle:

    Hahahah! I'd like to request Google Buzz-like +1 upvoting of messages in RG.. kthxbye.

    -ZR

    ... Predestination was doomed from the start.

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  • From paulie420@25:25/0 to Lux on Sun Aug 21 09:46:03 2022
    Typical newschooler, Mystic boards have that forum stuff right? I think that would be kinda tough to get working on something like Renegade.

    I never suggested adding threading to RENEGADE ;

    Do whatever w0rks for your userbase and is accepted by the bbSes that
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  • From Exodus@25:25/0 to Zero Reader on Sun Aug 21 13:04:39 2022
    Hahahah! I'd like to request Google Buzz-like +1 upvoting of messages in R kthxbye.

    +1


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  • From Lux@25:25/22 to Zero Reader on Sun Aug 21 18:37:10 2022
    "lux liked your message"
    :Sent on my Ipod Shuffle:

    Hahahah! I'd like to request Google Buzz-like +1 upvoting of messages in R kthxbye.

    Hmm, may check out the Voting Booth =P

    ... You don't still use a human and a keyboard do you?

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  • From Lux@25:25/22 to Paulie420 on Sun Aug 21 18:38:55 2022
    I never suggested adding threading to RENEGADE ;

    That was just my imagination twisting your words to make it about Renegade ;)

    ... Sorry, tomorrow is cancelled due to the lack of interest!

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