• OT: Where to ask genral Linux Questions?

    From Ohmster@110:300/1.1 to All on Sun Jan 13 00:25:07 2013
    Off topic, but if I get an answer now, I won't have to bug anyone in here.

    Where is a good newsgroup to ask general Linux questions? alt.linux seems
    to be a bunch of nonsense. Is comp.os.linux a good place to ask? Do you
    guys visit that newsgroup?


    Thanks.

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  • From notbob@1:0/0 to All on Sun Jan 13 01:37:07 2013
    On 2013-01-12, Ohmster <root@dev.nul> wrote:
    Off topic, but if I get an answer now, I won't have to bug anyone in here.

    Where is a good newsgroup to ask general Linux questions? alt.linux seems
    to be a bunch of nonsense. Is comp.os.linux a good place to ask? Do you
    guys visit that newsgroup?

    comp.os.linux.misc is probably the most busy and stays pretty much on
    track, but like most of usenet, traffic is diminishing.

    http://www.linuxquestions.org/, a forum, is probably your best bet for
    all general linux Qs. There are more specialized forums on the web.

    nb

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  • From Moe Trin@110:300/1.1 to All on Sun Jan 13 02:59:24 2013
    On Sat, 12 Jan 2013, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.security, in article
    <XnsA146BB4F96ED3MyBigKitty@216.196.97.131>, Ohmster wrote:

    Off topic, but if I get an answer now, I won't have to bug anyone in
    here.

    Where is a good newsgroup to ask general Linux questions?

    On the 15th of each month, there is a posting to the newsgroups news.announce.newgroups, news.groups and news.lists.misc, and that
    listing includes the basic description of the group.

    [fermi ~]$ grep linux big.8.list.12.15.12
    comp.os.linux.advocacy Benefits of Linux compared to other operating
    systems.
    comp.os.linux.alpha Linux on Digital Alpha machines.
    comp.os.linux.announce Announcements important to the Linux community.
    (Moderated)
    comp.os.linux.development.apps Writing Linux applications, porting to
    Linux.
    comp.os.linux.development.system Linux kernels, device drivers,
    modules.
    comp.os.linux.embedded Linux operating system on embedded hardware. comp.os.linux.hardware Hardware compatibility with the Linux operating
    system.
    comp.os.linux.m68k Linux operating system on 680x0 Amiga, Atari,
    VME.
    comp.os.linux.misc Linux-specific topics not covered by other
    groups.
    comp.os.linux.networking Networking and communications under
    Linux.
    comp.os.linux.portable Linux OS on portable PCs.
    comp.os.linux.powerpc Linux systems running on PowerPC microprocessors. comp.os.linux.security Security and the GNU/Linux Operating System. comp.os.linux.setup Linux installation and system administration. comp.os.linux.x Linux X Window System servers, clients, libs and
    fonts.
    comp.os.linux.xbox Linux on Xbox.
    [fermi ~]$

    From that, it looks like comp.os.linux.misc perhaps.

    alt.linux seems to be a bunch of nonsense.

    Alternative group - alt.os.linux isn't much better

    Is comp.os.linux a good place to ask? Do you guys visit that newsgroup?

    Bogus newsgroup - not carried on all servers. You're posting from
    giganews, which carries a huge number of groups - many have no recent
    postings, but "we've got a lot of groups!!!" You don't see the groups comp.os.linux.help or comp.os.linux.questions listed above either. Set
    your newsreader to retrieve the last 30 articles - and look at the
    dates. Anything recent?

    Old guy

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  • From Ohmster@110:300/1.1 to All on Tue Jan 15 00:54:53 2013
    Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> wrote in news:slrnkf457q.dbl.ibuprofin@fermi.phx.az.us:

    Bogus newsgroup - not carried on all servers. You're posting from
    giganews, which carries a huge number of groups - many have no recent postings, but "we've got a lot of groups!!!" You don't see the groups comp.os.linux.help or comp.os.linux.questions listed above either. Set
    your newsreader to retrieve the last 30 articles - and look at the
    dates. Anything recent?

    Old guy


    Awesome list, OG. I usually never post Linux questions from Giganews, the posts go back to 2008 and that is practically useless. I remember there was
    a server that was good for this stuff, aoi or something like that. It was a free public news server that only carried text articles and was particulary good for Linux questions. I must find that one again and get off giganews
    for Linux help.

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  • From Ohmster@110:300/1.1 to All on Tue Jan 15 00:56:17 2013
    notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote in news:slrnkf40al.2mf.notbob@nbleet.hcc.net:


    comp.os.linux.misc is probably the most busy and stays pretty much on
    track, but like most of usenet, traffic is diminishing.

    http://www.linuxquestions.org/, a forum, is probably your best bet for
    all general linux Qs. There are more specialized forums on the web.

    nb

    Thanks nb. I never post to giganews for Linux help, too many newsgroups,
    many bogus, with posts that go back over 15 years. Pretty useless. There is
    a good, free, public NNTP server that was kick ass for Linux help, not sure what it was, aoi or something like that, searching for it now.

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  • From Aragorn@110:300/1.1 to All on Tue Jan 15 01:00:21 2013
    On Tuesday 15 January 2013 00:56, Ohmster conveyed the following to comp.os.linux.security...

    notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote in news:slrnkf40al.2mf.notbob@nbleet.hcc.net:

    comp.os.linux.misc is probably the most busy and stays pretty much on
    track, but like most of usenet, traffic is diminishing.

    http://www.linuxquestions.org/, a forum, is probably your best bet
    for all general linux Qs. There are more specialized forums on the
    web.

    Thanks nb. I never post to giganews for Linux help, too many
    newsgroups, many bogus, with posts that go back over 15 years. Pretty useless. There is a good, free, public NNTP server that was kick ass
    for Linux help, not sure what it was, aoi or something like that,
    searching for it now.

    It's called aioe.org, but you better don't use that, because many
    posters filter that one out due to its popularity among trolls. It also limits the number of posts you can make per day.

    Better would be to register with www.eternal-september.org. It's free,
    and although not perfect - but what ever is? - it is also fairly good.
    I've been using it for several years now.

    No binary newsgroups, but who needs that anyway? ;-)

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  • From Aragorn@110:300/1.1 to All on Tue Jan 15 01:07:59 2013
    On Tuesday 15 January 2013 00:54, Ohmster conveyed the following to comp.os.linux.security...

    Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> wrote in news:slrnkf457q.dbl.ibuprofin@fermi.phx.az.us:

    Bogus newsgroup - not carried on all servers. You're posting from
    giganews, which carries a huge number of groups - many have no recent
    postings, but "we've got a lot of groups!!!" You don't see the
    groups comp.os.linux.help or comp.os.linux.questions listed above
    either. Set your newsreader to retrieve the last 30 articles - and
    look at the dates. Anything recent?

    Awesome list, OG. I usually never post Linux questions from Giganews,
    the posts go back to 2008 and that is practically useless. I remember
    there was a server that was good for this stuff, aoi or something like
    that. It was a free public news server that only carried text articles
    and was particulary good for Linux questions.

    Uhh, no, it's not. aioe.org is known on Usenet primarily as a gateway
    for trolls. Only very few decent posters use it, but due to the troll activity, many regulars filter out anything coming in through that
    gateway.

    I must find that one again and get off giganews for Linux help.

    I don't see why Giganews would be bad. It gives you access to the same
    active newsgroups as aioe.org, eternal-september.org or any other Usenet gateway. It's all Usenet, and the most active GNU/Linux groups are
    carried by all of those news providers.

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  • From Moe Trin@110:300/1.1 to All on Tue Jan 15 04:14:39 2013
    On Mon, 14 Jan 2013, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.security, in article
    <XnsA148C055F2A11MyBigKitty@216.196.97.131>, Ohmster wrote:

    I usually never post Linux questions from Giganews, the posts go back
    to 2008 and that is practically useless.

    ]User-Agent: Xnews/2009.05.01

    Don't know Xnews because I don't have any windoze boxes, but if you
    can't tell it that if it has a large number of articles available it
    should ask you how many to download, you may want to look for a more user-friendly news tool. I'm using slrn, and it's configured to ask
    me if there are more than 100 unread articles in a newsgroup. I can
    therefore tell it to just grab the latest N articles in a group.

    I remember there was a server that was good for this stuff, aoi or
    something like that. It was a free public news server that only
    carried text articles and was particulary good for Linux questions.

    Aragorn suggests that may be aioe.org, and it's a wide open server
    which is therefore pretty badly abused by trolls. As a consequence, I
    (like many, I believe) filter off "articles from" and "responses to
    articles from" that server in a number of groups. In several groups
    I try to scan daily, that filtering makes a VAST improvement in the signal-to-noise ratio.

    I must find that one again and get off giganews for Linux help.

    Usenet is Usenet - Last I heard, aioe.org carried about 47000 groups,
    compared to 111000 on giganews (but even that is meaningless because
    many of the groups are dead or useless). For perspective, the list
    of "Big-8" groups (comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*,
    soc.*, and talk.*) totals just 1995 - no, make that 1996 because they
    just added "comp.mobile.android" on the 10th. Last I looked at the
    ..newsrc file for giganews, they had 4724 "Big-8" groups, but at least
    they _have_ the groups. I don't know how many types of fish Ohm's
    Fish Market carries, but the "Big-8" lists just 8 news groups with the
    string "fish" in the name and giganews carries 116 of those 8. Does
    that make it any better or worse? Who knows ;-)

    Old guy

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  • From Ohmster@110:300/1.1 to All on Wed Jan 23 23:12:29 2013
    Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote in news:kd26l0$baq$1@dont-
    email.me:

    [..]
    Awesome list, OG. I usually never post Linux questions from Giganews,
    the posts go back to 2008 and that is practically useless. I remember
    there was a server that was good for this stuff, aoi or something like
    that. It was a free public news server that only carried text articles
    and was particulary good for Linux questions.

    Uhh, no, it's not. aioe.org is known on Usenet primarily as a gateway
    for trolls. Only very few decent posters use it, but due to the troll activity, many regulars filter out anything coming in through that
    gateway.

    Yeah, that is the one. aioe.org. Trolls you say? Like AC? I have not seen
    or heard from AC for a long, long time and sure do not miss him. Alright, nixing aoie.

    I must find that one again and get off giganews for Linux help.

    I don't see why Giganews would be bad. It gives you access to the same active newsgroups as aioe.org, eternal-september.org or any other
    Usenet
    gateway. It's all Usenet, and the most active GNU/Linux groups are
    carried by all of those news providers.


    Yes, I will stick with giganews. Thanks!

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  • From Ohmster@110:300/1.1 to All on Wed Jan 23 23:35:42 2013
    Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> wrote in news:slrnkf9icr.fs1.ibuprofin@fermi.phx.az.us:

    I usually never post Linux questions from Giganews, the posts go back
    to 2008 and that is practically useless.

    ]User-Agent: Xnews/2009.05.01

    Don't know Xnews because I don't have any windoze boxes, but if you
    can't tell it that if it has a large number of articles available it
    should ask you how many to download, you may want to look for a more user-friendly news tool. I'm using slrn, and it's configured to ask
    me if there are more than 100 unread articles in a newsgroup. I can therefore tell it to just grab the latest N articles in a group.

    I like slrn in Linux. But for 'doze, I like Xnews, it is what remains of
    "News Express" from years gone by. Even though the author is not the
    same, some college kid wrote News Express and then abandoned it. Shame he
    did not donate the source code. I really did like the interface. So Luu
    Tran made Xnews and that is as close as I can get to it. Same thing
    basically.

    I did download slrn for Windows but getting it to work is so much
    headache that it really is not worth the effort.

    I remember there was a server that was good for this stuff, aoi or >>something like that. It was a free public news server that only
    carried text articles and was particulary good for Linux questions.

    Aragorn suggests that may be aioe.org, and it's a wide open server
    which is therefore pretty badly abused by trolls. As a consequence, I
    (like many, I believe) filter off "articles from" and "responses to
    articles from" that server in a number of groups. In several groups
    I try to scan daily, that filtering makes a VAST improvement in the signal-to-noise ratio.

    Yah, Aragorn just told me about aioe. Not using it. When I need help, I
    don't want to be filtered out and I try to be polite, repsectful, and appreciative of the help offered here.

    I must find that one again and get off giganews for Linux help.

    Usenet is Usenet - Last I heard, aioe.org carried about 47000 groups, compared to 111000 on giganews (but even that is meaningless because
    many of the groups are dead or useless). For perspective, the list
    of "Big-8" groups (comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*,
    soc.*, and talk.*) totals just 1995 - no, make that 1996 because they
    just added "comp.mobile.android" on the 10th. Last I looked at the
    .newsrc file for giganews, they had 4724 "Big-8" groups, but at least
    they _have_ the groups. I don't know how many types of fish Ohm's
    Fish Market carries, but the "Big-8" lists just 8 news groups with the
    string "fish" in the name and giganews carries 116 of those 8. Does
    that make it any better or worse? Who knows ;-)

    Wow, you are making my head spin. Thanks OG. Hey, didn't you used to be
    "Moe Trin"? or something like that in previous, older posts?

    Old guy



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  • From Ohmster@110:300/1.1 to All on Wed Jan 23 23:37:02 2013
    Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote in news:kd266l$71q$2@dont-
    email.me:


    [..]
    It's called aioe.org, but you better don't use that, because many
    posters filter that one out due to its popularity among trolls. It also limits the number of posts you can make per day.

    Yeah, I heard. Never mind aioe.

    Better would be to register with www.eternal-september.org. It's free,
    and although not perfect - but what ever is? - it is also fairly good.
    I've been using it for several years now.

    Oh, awesome! That is what I needed. Thanks Aragorn.

    No binary newsgroups, but who needs that anyway? ;-)



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  • From Aragorn@110:300/1.1 to All on Thu Jan 24 15:16:56 2013
    On Wednesday 23 January 2013 23:12, Ohmster conveyed the following to comp.os.linux.security...

    Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote in news:kd26l0$baq$1@dont- email.me:

    [..]
    Awesome list, OG. I usually never post Linux questions from
    Giganews, the posts go back to 2008 and that is practically useless.
    I remember there was a server that was good for this stuff, aoi or
    something like that. It was a free public news server that only
    carried text articles and was particulary good for Linux questions.

    Uhh, no, it's not. aioe.org is known on Usenet primarily as a
    gateway for trolls. Only very few decent posters use it, but due to
    the troll activity, many regulars filter out anything coming in
    through that gateway.

    Yeah, that is the one. aioe.org. Trolls you say? Like AC? I have not
    seen or heard from AC for a long, long time and sure do not miss him. Alright, nixing aoie.

    Nah, I wasn't talking of AC/SL [*], but rather of some rabid Win-droid
    trolls who use it and who nym-shift a lot.

    I myself haven't seen AC/SL around for years either. Maybe he's gone
    off the grid again - he was a survivalist, as I understand it - or maybe
    his ISP/NSP were getting too many complaints about his hostile behavior.
    Or maybe he's gone into drug rehab again. ;-)

    [*] For those wondering, AC/SL stands for a netkook - not a troll per
    se, just a rather paranoid and hostile poster - who uses the
    pseudonyms "Alan Connor" and "Sidney Lambe", among others.

    I must find that one again and get off giganews for Linux help.

    I don't see why Giganews would be bad. It gives you access to the
    same active newsgroups as aioe.org, eternal-september.org or any
    other Usenet gateway. It's all Usenet, and the most active GNU/Linux
    groups are carried by all of those news providers.


    Yes, I will stick with giganews. Thanks!

    As it turns out, news.eternal-september.org was having problems
    yesterday, but they appear to be back today. It happens, but it's exceptional.

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  • From Aragorn@110:300/1.1 to All on Thu Jan 24 15:21:29 2013
    On Wednesday 23 January 2013 23:35, Ohmster conveyed the following to comp.os.linux.security...

    Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> wrote in news:slrnkf9icr.fs1.ibuprofin@fermi.phx.az.us:

    Usenet is Usenet - Last I heard, aioe.org carried about 47000 groups,
    compared to 111000 on giganews (but even that is meaningless because
    many of the groups are dead or useless). For perspective, the list
    of "Big-8" groups (comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*,
    sci.*, soc.*, and talk.*) totals just 1995 - no, make that 1996
    because they just added "comp.mobile.android" on the 10th. Last I
    looked at the .newsrc file for giganews, they had 4724 "Big-8"
    groups, but at least they _have_ the groups. I don't know how many
    types of fish Ohm's Fish Market carries, but the "Big-8" lists just 8
    news groups with the string "fish" in the name and giganews carries
    116 of those 8. Does that make it any better or worse? Who knows
    ;-)

    Wow, you are making my head spin. Thanks OG. Hey, didn't you used to
    be "Moe Trin"? or something like that in previous, older posts?

    He still is - check the headers of his posts. ;-)

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  • From Moe Trin@110:300/1.1 to All on Thu Jan 24 21:16:12 2013
    On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.security, in article
    <XnsA151B2D2E5EC8MyBigKitty@216.196.97.131>, Ohmster wrote:

    Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> wrote in >news:slrnkf9icr.fs1.ibuprofin@fermi.phx.az.us:

    Usenet is Usenet - Last I heard, aioe.org carried about 47000 groups,
    compared to 111000 on giganews (but even that is meaningless because
    many of the groups are dead or useless).

    Aragorn suggested eternal-september as a news server. They only carry
    about 30000 groups, but run them through clean-feed which significantly
    reduces the gross spam.

    Wow, you are making my head spin. Thanks OG. Hey, didn't you used to
    be "Moe Trin"? or something like that in previous, older posts?

    <looks at From: header quoted above...> ;-)

    Back in 2005, you mentioned the nym I'm using to your wife, and she
    apparently saw through my clever disguise. I did change the nym
    slightly (adding the trailing ".invalid") in 2010, but I've been
    using "Moe Trin" since roughly 1998.

    Old guy

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