• Trying to utilize mailx to send mail via apython script

    From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Thu Sep 5 16:11:21 2013


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite _it_again
    }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can send
    fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

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  • From Jorgen Grahn@1:0/0 to All on Thu Sep 5 18:13:50 2013
    On Thu, 2013-09-05, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite _it_again
    }e

    Where did you learn about this .mailrc syntax? It doesn't match the
    one documented in mailx(1) on my machines. (That's BSD mailx; there
    seems to be two different flavors, but I don't think they are /that/
    radically different.)

    There are two ways to send mail on Unix:

    1 Enqueue it to the local MTA using /usr/lib/sendmail. The local MTA
    then becomes responsible for passing it on, if needed. This is the
    traditional approach used by at, cron, mail, mailx, mutt ...

    2 Send it via SMTP to some external mail relay. Local mail won't
    work, every mail client must be configured, and temporary delivery
    problems will be fatal.

    You seem to have the software for (1), but the configuration for (2).

    ....
    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    ....

    Make it work from the command line before attempting to automate it.

    (You may also want to avoid invoking the shell. Think about what
    might happen if MESSAGE=="; rm -rf $HOME ;".)

    /Jorgen

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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Fri Sep 6 06:19:35 2013
    Στις 5/9/2013 9:13 μμ, ο/η Jorgen Grahn έγραψε:
    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    ...

    Make it work from the command line before attempting to automate it.

    (You may also want to avoid invoking the shell. Think about what
    might happen if MESSAGE=="; rm -rf $HOME ;".)


    Hello,

    Even so, even trying it from the shell that is, 'mailx' fails to
    delivers my test mails.

    Can one helo me congigure sendmail properly?


    mailX == an MUA == a Mail Client right?
    sendmail == MTA == program that is responsilble to send mails?

    So, i gather 'mailx' does use 'sendmail' to send mail yes?

    can you provide me a working mail exmaple that works?

    Why i can only send mail to local server addresses an not to an external
    mail address?

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  • From Todd@110:110/2002 to All on Fri Sep 6 07:22:45 2013

    On 09/05/2013 09:11 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite _it_again
    }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can send
    fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

    Hi Ferrous,

    Your .mailrc syntax is too weird. I place all my parameters
    inside my script.

    gMail is a pain in the ... to use with mailx. Here is a test
    script I wrote that should help you. Change the "Your_email_address", "Your_other_email_address", and "Your_email_password"
    appropriately

    Create a separate mailcert directory, copy your mailcerts
    $ ls
    cert7.db cert8.db key3.db secmod.db
    from your Firefox directory to it, and point your "nss-config-dir"
    at it.

    Note that some of my lines scrolled when I pasted.

    Good luck,
    -T


    $ cat MailxTest.gmail
    #!/bin/bash

    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test subject" \
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="Your_email_password" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/ \ Your_other_email_address@gmail.com





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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Fri Sep 6 08:09:50 2013
    Στις 6/9/2013 10:22 πμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:

    On 09/05/2013 09:11 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite _it_again }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM, SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can send
    fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

    Hi Ferrous,

    Your .mailrc syntax is too weird. I place all my parameters
    inside my script.

    gMail is a pain in the ... to use with mailx. Here is a test
    script I wrote that should help you. Change the "Your_email_address", "Your_other_email_address", and "Your_email_password"
    appropriately

    Create a separate mailcert directory, copy your mailcerts
    $ ls
    cert7.db cert8.db key3.db secmod.db
    from your Firefox directory to it, and point your "nss-config-dir"
    at it.

    Note that some of my lines scrolled when I pasted.

    Good luck,
    -T


    $ cat MailxTest.gmail
    #!/bin/bash

    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test subject" \ -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="Your_email_password" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/ \ Your_other_email_address@gmail.com

    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=my_personal@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="my_gmail_pass" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/nikos/certs/ \
    nkouras@ath.forthnet.gr
    }

    ==============================

    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -v gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % ( MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO )
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    ================================


    Output of my attempt to send mail:

    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# python mail.py
    LOG: MAIN
    cwd=/home/nikos/public_html/cgi-bin 9 args: send-mail -i -v -r -s 5N3COMBGE8@YEG0WH73G3.com
    BD1ZJHE1340OB76AYIM81YP51VBYFCR5B2BCH08LKVT06T5I9E gmail
    nikos.gr33k@gmail.com
    LOG: MAIN
    <= -s@secure.superhost.gr U=nikos P=local S=1125
    Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8

    None b''
    <h2><font color=blue>Ευχαριστώ πολ για το ενδιαφέρον! Θα επικοινωνήσω
    μαζί σου άμεσα :-)</font></h2>
    LOG: MAIN
    cwd=/var/spool/exim 4 args: /usr/sbin/exim -v -Mc 1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL delivering 1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL
    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# LOG: MAIN
    SMTP connection outbound 1378454714 1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL superhost.gr nikos.gr33k@gmail.com
    LOG: MAIN
    SMTP connection outbound 1378454714 1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL superhost.gr gmail@secure.superhost.gr
    LOG: MAIN
    remote host address is the local host: secure.superhost.gr
    LOG: MAIN
    == gmail@secure.superhost.gr R=lookuphost defer (-1): remote host
    address is the local host
    LOG: MAIN
    SMTP connection outbound 1378454715 1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL superhost.gr bd1zjhe1340ob76ayim81yp51vbyfcr5b2bch08lkvt06t5i9e@secure.superhost.gr
    LOG: MAIN
    remote host address is the local host: secure.superhost.gr
    LOG: MAIN
    ==
    bd1zjhe1340ob76ayim81yp51vbyfcr5b2bch08lkvt06t5i9e@secure.superhost.gr <BD1ZJHE1340OB76AYIM81YP51VBYFCR5B2BCH08LKVT06T5I9E@secure.superhost.gr> R=lookuphost defer (-1): remote host address is the local host
    LOG: MAIN
    SMTP connection outbound 1378454715 1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL superhost.gr 5n3combge8@yeg0wh73g3.com
    LOG: MAIN
    ** 5n3combge8@yeg0wh73g3.com <5N3COMBGE8@YEG0WH73G3.com> R=fail_remote_domains: The mail server could not deliver mail to 5n3combge8@yeg0wh73g3.com. The account or domain may not exist, they
    may be blacklisted, or missing the proper dns entries.
    Connecting to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [173.194.70.26]:25 ... connected
    SMTP<< 220 mx.google.com ESMTP w44si1186161eef.195 - gsmtp
    SMTP>> EHLO secure.superhost.gr
    SMTP<< 250-mx.google.com at your service, [84.200.17.58]
    250-SIZE 35882577
    250-8BITMIME
    250-STARTTLS
    250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
    250 CHUNKING
    SMTP>> STARTTLS
    SMTP<< 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
    SMTP>> EHLO secure.superhost.gr
    SMTP<< 250-mx.google.com at your service, [84.200.17.58]
    250-SIZE 35882577
    250-8BITMIME
    250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
    250 CHUNKING
    SMTP>> MAIL FROM:<-s@secure.superhost.gr> SIZE=2165
    SMTP<< 250 2.1.0 OK w44si1186161eef.195 - gsmtp
    SMTP>> RCPT TO:<nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
    SMTP<< 250 2.1.5 OK w44si1186161eef.195 - gsmtp
    SMTP>> DATA
    SMTP<< 354 Go ahead w44si1186161eef.195 - gsmtp
    SMTP>> writing message and terminating "."
    SMTP<< 250 2.0.0 OK 1378454716 w44si1186161eef.195 - gsmtp
    SMTP>> QUIT
    LOG: MAIN
    => nikos.gr33k@gmail.com R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [173.194.70.26] X=TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128
    LOG: MAIN
    **
    BD1ZJHE1340OB76AYIM81YP51VBYFCR5B2BCH08LKVT06T5I9E@secure.superhost.gr:
    retry timeout exceeded
    LOG: MAIN
    ** gmail@secure.superhost.gr: retry timeout exceeded
    LOG: MAIN
    cwd=/var/spool/exim 8 args: /usr/sbin/exim -v -t -oem -oi -f <> -E1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL
    LOG: MAIN
    <= <> R=1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL U=mailnull P=local S=2374 T="Mail delivery
    failed: returning message to sender"
    LOG: MAIN
    Completed
    LOG: MAIN
    cwd=/var/spool/exim 4 args: /usr/sbin/exim -v -Mc 1VHr2a-0004wK-G7 delivering 1VHr2a-0004wK-G7
    LOG: MAIN
    remote host address is the local host: secure.superhost.gr
    LOG: MAIN
    == -s@secure.superhost.gr R=dkim_lookuphost defer (-1): remote host
    address is the local host
    LOG: MAIN
    ** -s@secure.superhost.gr: retry timeout exceeded
    LOG: MAIN
    -s@secure.superhost.gr: error ignored
    LOG: MAIN
    Completed



    I have pasted the .mailrc, the snippet of mail.py and the output

    Can you help based on that info please?






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  • From Jorgen Grahn@1:0/0 to All on Fri Sep 6 08:50:54 2013
    On Fri, 2013-09-06, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    ???????? 5/9/2013 9:13 ????, ??/?? Jorgen Grahn ????????????:
    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    ...

    Make it work from the command line before attempting to automate it.

    (You may also want to avoid invoking the shell. Think about what
    might happen if MESSAGE=="; rm -rf $HOME ;".)


    Hello,

    Even so, even trying it from the shell that is, 'mailx' fails to
    delivers my test mails.

    Yes, that's exactly my point. It's a general problem solving trick:
    if you can split your problem in two parts, try to solve one at a
    time.

    Can one helo me congigure sendmail properly?


    mailX == an MUA == a Mail Client right?
    sendmail == MTA == program that is responsilble to send mails?

    So, i gather 'mailx' does use 'sendmail' to send mail yes?

    Yes, the version of mailx I am used to[1] does that ... but apparently
    you and the other posters are using some /other/ tool with the same
    name.

    can you provide me a working mail exmaple that works?

    Sorry; no. I use neither sendmail nor gmail.

    Why i can only send mail to local server addresses an not to an external mail address?

    Don't know, but remember that local mail is a lot easier. As long as
    you have an MTA (e.g. sendmail) running and its config is not horribly
    broken, local->local will work.

    /Jorgen

    [1] Mailx is /old/. I used it on SunOS 20 years ago, and it wasn't
    new then.

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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Fri Sep 6 09:06:01 2013
    Στις 6/9/2013 11:50 πμ, ο/η Jorgen Grahn έγραψε:
    Why i can only send mail to local server addresses an not to an external
    mail address?
    Don't know, but remember that local mail is a lot easier. As long as
    you have an MTA (e.g. sendmail) running and its config is not horribly broken, local->local will work.


    I have managed already to make it work local=>local

    But then how about local => internet

    what configurations should i do? try to run what condig?

    Is there an alternative that will help me send mails more easily?

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  • From David Brown@1:0/0 to All on Fri Sep 6 09:10:46 2013
    On 05/09/13 18:11, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite _it_again
    }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can send
    fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

    The obvious question here is why are you trying to use sendmail and
    mailx? You are writing a script in Python, and you want to send mail
    via an SMTP server. Just use Python's SMTP module.


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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Fri Sep 6 09:17:42 2013
    Στις 6/9/2013 12:10 μμ, ο/η David Brown έγραψε:
    On 05/09/13 18:11, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite _it_again
    }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can send
    fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

    The obvious question here is why are you trying to use sendmail and
    mailx? You are writing a script in Python, and you want to send mail
    via an SMTP server. Just use Python's SMTP module.

    Liek this you mean:

    # open Gmail's SMTP server
    #server = smtplib.SMTP('smtp.gmail.com:587')
    #server.ehlo()
    #server.starttls()

    # next, log in to the server
    #server.login("my@gmail.com", "my_pass")


    Because GMail tend to add a Sender field when receiving my mail
    supresing the real FROM field used in the webform to my Gmail's auth
    account.

    I want to avoid that by using my own mail server so my mails appear for
    the correct client mail and not all of them from as coming from my GMail account/


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  • From Jonathan N. Little@110:110/2002 to All on Fri Sep 6 18:10:29 2013
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 11:50 πμ, ο/η Jorgen Grahn έγραψε:
    Why i can only send mail to local server addresses an not to an external >>> mail address?
    Don't know, but remember that local mail is a lot easier. As long as
    you have an MTA (e.g. sendmail) running and its config is not horribly
    broken, local->local will work.


    I have managed already to make it work local=>local

    But then how about local => internet

    If you are only going it that direction "local => internet" and
    "internet" is gmail a simple solution is sSMTP.

    https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP

    I use it for remote servers to send error messages and info via scripts
    to an "admin" gmail account.

    Very simple to setup and works with gmail. Works for me to keep tabs on various servers I maintain.


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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Sat Sep 7 05:33:52 2013
    Στις 6/9/2013 9:10 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 11:50 πμ, ο/η Jorgen Grahn έγραψε:
    Why i can only send mail to local server addresses an not to an
    external
    mail address?
    Don't know, but remember that local mail is a lot easier. As long as
    you have an MTA (e.g. sendmail) running and its config is not horribly
    broken, local->local will work.


    I have managed already to make it work local=>local

    But then how about local => internet

    If you are only going it that direction "local => internet" and
    "internet" is gmail a simple solution is sSMTP.

    https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP

    I use it for remote servers to send error messages and info via scripts
    to an "admin" gmail account.

    Very simple to setup and works with gmail. Works for me to keep tabs on various servers I maintain.


    Can i use my own FROM field with sSMTP?
    But connecting to google's smtp server will still add a Sender header.



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  • From Jonathan N. Little@110:110/2002 to All on Sat Sep 7 12:33:20 2013
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 9:10 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 11:50 πμ, ο/η Jorgen Grahn έγραψε:
    Why i can only send mail to local server addresses an not to an
    external
    mail address?
    Don't know, but remember that local mail is a lot easier. As long as
    you have an MTA (e.g. sendmail) running and its config is not horribly >>>> broken, local->local will work.


    I have managed already to make it work local=>local

    But then how about local => internet

    If you are only going it that direction "local => internet" and
    "internet" is gmail a simple solution is sSMTP.

    https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP

    I use it for remote servers to send error messages and info via scripts
    to an "admin" gmail account.

    Very simple to setup and works with gmail. Works for me to keep tabs on
    various servers I maintain.


    Can i use my own FROM field with sSMTP?


    Yes. I even add "X-*" headers for sorting done within my scripts, Perl
    and shell scripts so would be no problem with Python.

    But connecting to google's smtp server will still add a Sender header.


    Not for the from From field, but the hostname is recorded in Received field...but maybe I am misunderstanding your question.

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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Sat Sep 7 20:24:30 2013
    Στις 7/9/2013 3:33 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 9:10 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 11:50 πμ, ο/η Jorgen Grahn έγραψε:
    Why i can only send mail to local server addresses an not to an
    external
    mail address?
    Don't know, but remember that local mail is a lot easier. As long as >>>>> you have an MTA (e.g. sendmail) running and its config is not horribly >>>>> broken, local->local will work.


    I have managed already to make it work local=>local

    But then how about local => internet

    If you are only going it that direction "local => internet" and
    "internet" is gmail a simple solution is sSMTP.

    https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP

    I use it for remote servers to send error messages and info via scripts
    to an "admin" gmail account.

    Very simple to setup and works with gmail. Works for me to keep tabs on
    various servers I maintain.


    Can i use my own FROM field with sSMTP?


    Yes. I even add "X-*" headers for sorting done within my scripts, Perl
    and shell scripts so would be no problem with Python.

    But connecting to google's smtp server will still add a Sender header.


    Not for the from From field, but the hostname is recorded in Received field...but maybe I am misunderstanding your question.

    is there a way to send mail from the mail address i specify and without
    the hostname of my server being revealed?

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  • From Jonathan N. Little@110:110/2002 to All on Sat Sep 7 20:54:24 2013
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 7/9/2013 3:33 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 9:10 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 11:50 πμ, ο/η Jorgen Grahn έγραψε:
    Why i can only send mail to local server addresses an not to an
    external
    mail address?
    Don't know, but remember that local mail is a lot easier. As long as >>>>>> you have an MTA (e.g. sendmail) running and its config is not
    horribly
    broken, local->local will work.


    I have managed already to make it work local=>local

    But then how about local => internet

    If you are only going it that direction "local => internet" and
    "internet" is gmail a simple solution is sSMTP.

    https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP

    I use it for remote servers to send error messages and info via scripts >>>> to an "admin" gmail account.

    Very simple to setup and works with gmail. Works for me to keep tabs on >>>> various servers I maintain.


    Can i use my own FROM field with sSMTP?


    Yes. I even add "X-*" headers for sorting done within my scripts, Perl
    and shell scripts so would be no problem with Python.

    But connecting to google's smtp server will still add a Sender header.


    Not for the from From field, but the hostname is recorded in Received
    field...but maybe I am misunderstanding your question.

    is there a way to send mail from the mail address i specify and without
    the hostname of my server being revealed?


    Well reading the man it says <http://linux.die.net/man/5/ssmtp.conf>
    it says:

    "Hostname
    The full qualified name of the host. If not specified, the host is
    queried for its hostname. "

    So to test I used "bogus.nowhere.invalid" and that is what is in the
    header for "Received:" fields. This is independent of the "From:" field
    which you can set with your script if your enable it in the ssmtp.conf.
    But note your external IP will be recorded though, no way around that I
    would guess without a proxy.


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    Take care,

    Jonathan
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  • From Todd@110:110/2002 to All on Sat Sep 7 22:39:45 2013
    On 09/06/2013 01:09 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 10:22 πμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:

    On 09/05/2013 09:11 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite
    _it_again
    }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can send
    fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

    Hi Ferrous,

    Your .mailrc syntax is too weird. I place all my parameters
    inside my script.

    gMail is a pain in the ... to use with mailx. Here is a test
    script I wrote that should help you. Change the "Your_email_address",
    "Your_other_email_address", and "Your_email_password"
    appropriately

    Create a separate mailcert directory, copy your mailcerts
    $ ls
    cert7.db cert8.db key3.db secmod.db
    from your Firefox directory to it, and point your "nss-config-dir"
    at it.

    Note that some of my lines scrolled when I pasted.

    Good luck,
    -T


    $ cat MailxTest.gmail
    #!/bin/bash

    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test
    subject" \
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="Your_email_password" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/ \
    Your_other_email_address@gmail.com

    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=my_personal@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="my_gmail_pass" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/nikos/certs/ \
    nkouras@ath.forthnet.gr
    }

    ==============================

    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -v gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % ( MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO )
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    ================================


    Output of my attempt to send mail:

    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# python mail.py
    LOG: MAIN
    cwd=/home/nikos/public_html/cgi-bin 9 args: send-mail -i -v -r -s 5N3COMBGE8@YEG0WH73G3.com
    BD1ZJHE1340OB76AYIM81YP51VBYFCR5B2BCH08LKVT06T5I9E gmail nikos.gr33k@gmail.com
    LOG: MAIN
    <= -s@secure.superhost.gr U=nikos P=local S=1125
    Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8

    None b''
    <h2><font color=blue>Ευχαριστώ πολ για το
    ενδιαφέρον! Θα επικοινωνήσω
    μαζί σου άμεσα :-)</font></h2>
    LOG: MAIN
    cwd=/var/spool/exim 4 args: /usr/sbin/exim -v -Mc 1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL delivering 1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL
    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# LOG: MAIN
    SMTP connection outbound 1378454714 1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL superhost.gr nikos.gr33k@gmail.com
    LOG: MAIN
    SMTP connection outbound 1378454714 1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL superhost.gr gmail@secure.superhost.gr
    LOG: MAIN
    remote host address is the local host: secure.superhost.gr
    LOG: MAIN
    == gmail@secure.superhost.gr R=lookuphost defer (-1): remote host
    address is the local host
    LOG: MAIN
    SMTP connection outbound 1378454715 1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL superhost.gr bd1zjhe1340ob76ayim81yp51vbyfcr5b2bch08lkvt06t5i9e@secure.superhost.gr
    LOG: MAIN
    remote host address is the local host: secure.superhost.gr
    LOG: MAIN
    ==
    bd1zjhe1340ob76ayim81yp51vbyfcr5b2bch08lkvt06t5i9e@secure.superhost.gr <BD1ZJHE1340OB76AYIM81YP51VBYFCR5B2BCH08LKVT06T5I9E@secure.superhost.gr> R=lookuphost defer (-1): remote host address is the local host
    LOG: MAIN
    SMTP connection outbound 1378454715 1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL superhost.gr 5n3combge8@yeg0wh73g3.com
    LOG: MAIN
    ** 5n3combge8@yeg0wh73g3.com <5N3COMBGE8@YEG0WH73G3.com> R=fail_remote_domains: The mail server could not deliver mail to 5n3combge8@yeg0wh73g3.com. The account or domain may not exist, they
    may be blacklisted, or missing the proper dns entries.
    Connecting to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [173.194.70.26]:25 ... connected
    SMTP<< 220 mx.google.com ESMTP w44si1186161eef.195 - gsmtp
    SMTP>> EHLO secure.superhost.gr
    SMTP<< 250-mx.google.com at your service, [84.200.17.58]
    250-SIZE 35882577
    250-8BITMIME
    250-STARTTLS
    250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
    250 CHUNKING
    SMTP>> STARTTLS
    SMTP<< 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
    SMTP>> EHLO secure.superhost.gr
    SMTP<< 250-mx.google.com at your service, [84.200.17.58]
    250-SIZE 35882577
    250-8BITMIME
    250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
    250 CHUNKING
    SMTP>> MAIL FROM:<-s@secure.superhost.gr> SIZE=2165
    SMTP<< 250 2.1.0 OK w44si1186161eef.195 - gsmtp
    SMTP>> RCPT TO:<nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
    SMTP<< 250 2.1.5 OK w44si1186161eef.195 - gsmtp
    SMTP>> DATA
    SMTP<< 354 Go ahead w44si1186161eef.195 - gsmtp
    SMTP>> writing message and terminating "."
    SMTP<< 250 2.0.0 OK 1378454716 w44si1186161eef.195 - gsmtp
    SMTP>> QUIT
    LOG: MAIN
    => nikos.gr33k@gmail.com R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [173.194.70.26] X=TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128
    LOG: MAIN
    **
    BD1ZJHE1340OB76AYIM81YP51VBYFCR5B2BCH08LKVT06T5I9E@secure.superhost.gr:
    retry timeout exceeded
    LOG: MAIN
    ** gmail@secure.superhost.gr: retry timeout exceeded
    LOG: MAIN
    cwd=/var/spool/exim 8 args: /usr/sbin/exim -v -t -oem -oi -f <> -E1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL
    LOG: MAIN
    <= <> R=1VHr2Y-0004wE-RL U=mailnull P=local S=2374 T="Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender"
    LOG: MAIN
    Completed
    LOG: MAIN
    cwd=/var/spool/exim 4 args: /usr/sbin/exim -v -Mc 1VHr2a-0004wK-G7 delivering 1VHr2a-0004wK-G7
    LOG: MAIN
    remote host address is the local host: secure.superhost.gr
    LOG: MAIN
    == -s@secure.superhost.gr R=dkim_lookuphost defer (-1): remote host address is the local host
    LOG: MAIN
    ** -s@secure.superhost.gr: retry timeout exceeded
    LOG: MAIN
    -s@secure.superhost.gr: error ignored
    LOG: MAIN
    Completed



    I have pasted the .mailrc, the snippet of mail.py and the output

    Can you help based on that info please?


    Don't use mailrc until you get it working from a batch file.




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  • From Todd@110:110/2002 to All on Sat Sep 7 22:41:29 2013

    Please elaborate.


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  • From Todd@110:110/2002 to All on Sat Sep 7 23:20:51 2013
    On 09/06/2013 12:37 AM, Νίκος - Support wrote:> Στις 6/9/2013 10:20 πμ,
    ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/05/2013 09:11 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite
    _it_again
    }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can send
    fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

    Hi Ferrous,

    Your .mailrc syntax is too weird. I place all my parameters
    inside my script.

    gMail is a pain in the ... to use with mailx. Here is a test
    script I wrote that should help you. Change the "Your_email_address",
    "Your_other_email_address", and "Your_email_password"
    appropriately

    Create a separate mailcert directory, copy your mailcerts
    $ ls
    cert7.db cert8.db key3.db secmod.db
    from your Firefox directory to it, and point your "nss-config-dir"
    at it.

    Note that some of my lines scrolled when I pasted.

    Good luck,
    -T


    $ cat MailxTest.gmail
    #!/bin/bash

    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test
    subject" \
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="Your_email_password" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/ \
    Your_other_email_address@gmail.com

    Hello Todd,

    Do i download them from Google? What
    their use?
    i don't user FF i use Chrome instead.


    Please elaborate.

    Certainly! gmail and zmail (zoho.com) are both huge
    pains in the --- to get working from a script.

    Hi Νίκος,

    The batch script is how to send "From:" a gmail
    account with a batch script using mailx. The
    "To:" can be anyone.

    I also have a script to do the same thing from a
    zoho account (zmail), if anyone wants it.

    First let me write the comments in my batch file a little better.
    Remember, this BASH script is a only for sending from a script
    through gMail.

    -------- cat MailxTest.gmail -----------
    #!/bin/bash
    #
    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test subject" \
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=From_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=From_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="From_email_password" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/ \
    To_email_address@gmail.com

    ---------------------------------------------------

    i want to try your example but i don't know where i'm
    supposed to find the cert* and key* files.

    You will find them in your gMail profile. Your profile
    is in your home directory under
    $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/your_profiles_cypher_name

    1) install firefox

    2) start firefox and let it automatically create its first
    profile

    3) open a terminal/xterm in your home directory

    4) search for the certificates with
    find $HOME/.mozilla/firefox -iname \*cert\*.db
    remember to copy all the *.db's over from your profile
    to a separate directory. Mine are:

    cert7.db cert8.db key3.db secmod.db

    Firefox needs these certificates to do the "s" in https

    5) modify "nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/" in
    the above script to match the directory you copied the
    certificates to


    What are the mailcerts anyway?

    gMail uses SSL (secure socket layer or the "s" in https) and
    need these certificates to authenticate. So does zmail, but
    uses a different sign in method.

    The code above is supposed to be use in a file called
    'MailxTest.gmail'

    This is a Bash script. The first line in the script "#!/bin/bash"
    tells you this.

    not from within a python script i have called 'mail.py' ?

    No. Not to a Python script. Get it working in Bash first,
    them translate it to Python. YOUR PYTHON SUBROUTINE WILL NEED
    THESE CERTIFICATES TOO! If you can get it working in BASH,
    you are 90% of the way there.

    Also what is the other thing at the end
    you_other_email_address@gmail.com

    My bad. I should have said it was the gMail "To"
    address, which can be anyone.

    Good luck, I am dying to know if this helped you or
    anyone else. I am usually the one asking the questions.

    -T

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    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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    They malfunction when you open windows
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Sun Sep 8 06:54:03 2013
    Στις 8/9/2013 2:20 πμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/06/2013 12:37 AM, Νίκος - Support wrote:> Στις 6/9/2013 10:20
    πμ,
    ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/05/2013 09:11 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite
    _it_again
    }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can send
    fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

    Hi Ferrous,

    Your .mailrc syntax is too weird. I place all my parameters
    inside my script.

    gMail is a pain in the ... to use with mailx. Here is a test
    script I wrote that should help you. Change the "Your_email_address",
    "Your_other_email_address", and "Your_email_password"
    appropriately

    Create a separate mailcert directory, copy your mailcerts
    $ ls
    cert7.db cert8.db key3.db secmod.db
    from your Firefox directory to it, and point your "nss-config-dir"
    at it.

    Note that some of my lines scrolled when I pasted.

    Good luck,
    -T


    $ cat MailxTest.gmail
    #!/bin/bash

    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test
    subject" \
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="Your_email_password" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/ \
    Your_other_email_address@gmail.com

    Hello Todd,

    Do i download them from Google? What
    their use?
    i don't user FF i use Chrome instead.


    Please elaborate.

    Certainly! gmail and zmail (zoho.com) are both huge
    pains in the --- to get working from a script.

    Hi Νίκος,

    The batch script is how to send "From:" a gmail
    account with a batch script using mailx. The
    "To:" can be anyone.

    I also have a script to do the same thing from a
    zoho account (zmail), if anyone wants it.

    First let me write the comments in my batch file a little better.
    Remember, this BASH script is a only for sending from a script
    through gMail.

    -------- cat MailxTest.gmail -----------
    #!/bin/bash
    #
    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test subject" \ -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=From_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=From_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="From_email_password" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/ \
    To_email_address@gmail.com

    ---------------------------------------------------

    i want to try your example but i don't know where i'm
    supposed to find the cert* and key* files.

    You will find them in your gMail profile. Your profile
    is in your home directory under
    $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/your_profiles_cypher_name

    1) install firefox

    2) start firefox and let it automatically create its first
    profile

    3) open a terminal/xterm in your home directory

    4) search for the certificates with
    find $HOME/.mozilla/firefox -iname \*cert\*.db
    remember to copy all the *.db's over from your profile
    to a separate directory. Mine are:

    cert7.db cert8.db key3.db secmod.db

    Firefox needs these certificates to do the "s" in https

    5) modify "nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/" in
    the above script to match the directory you copied the
    certificates to


    What are the mailcerts anyway?

    gMail uses SSL (secure socket layer or the "s" in https) and
    need these certificates to authenticate. So does zmail, but
    uses a different sign in method.

    The code above is supposed to be use in a file called
    'MailxTest.gmail'

    This is a Bash script. The first line in the script "#!/bin/bash"
    tells you this.

    not from within a python script i have called 'mail.py' ?

    No. Not to a Python script. Get it working in Bash first,
    them translate it to Python. YOUR PYTHON SUBROUTINE WILL NEED
    THESE CERTIFICATES TOO! If you can get it working in BASH,
    you are 90% of the way there.

    Also what is the other thing at the end
    you_other_email_address@gmail.com

    My bad. I should have said it was the gMail "To"
    address, which can be anyone.

    Good luck, I am dying to know if this helped you or
    anyone else. I am usually the one asking the questions.

    -T

    Hello Todd!

    Let me tell you what i did:

    i have:

    rm ~./mailrc

    nikos@superhost.gr [~]# cat MailXTest.gmail
    #!/bin/bash
    #
    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test subject" \
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=my@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="my_gmail_pass" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/nikos/certs/ \
    nikos@ath.forthnet.gr

    chmod u+x MailXTest.gmail

    and finally when i try to run it:

    nikos@superhost.gr [~]# MailXTest.gmail
    -bash: MailXTest.gmail: command not found

    What iam doing?

    Apart from that i want to avoid using GMail's service becazue it adds up
    a Sender: header sayign that the mail originating from my gmail accoutn
    while i want to use the FROM field that the visitor used in my html web
    form to fill in his email

    Also it would be nice if the hostname would appear too.

    Do we need to setup our own mail servr to achieve this?

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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Sun Sep 8 06:58:12 2013
    Στις 7/9/2013 11:54 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 7/9/2013 3:33 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 9:10 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 11:50 πμ, ο/η Jorgen Grahn έγραψε:
    Why i can only send mail to local server addresses an not to an >>>>>>>> external
    mail address?
    Don't know, but remember that local mail is a lot easier. As
    long as
    you have an MTA (e.g. sendmail) running and its config is not
    horribly
    broken, local->local will work.


    I have managed already to make it work local=>local

    But then how about local => internet

    If you are only going it that direction "local => internet" and
    "internet" is gmail a simple solution is sSMTP.

    https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP

    I use it for remote servers to send error messages and info via
    scripts
    to an "admin" gmail account.

    Very simple to setup and works with gmail. Works for me to keep
    tabs on
    various servers I maintain.


    Can i use my own FROM field with sSMTP?


    Yes. I even add "X-*" headers for sorting done within my scripts, Perl
    and shell scripts so would be no problem with Python.

    But connecting to google's smtp server will still add a Sender header.


    Not for the from From field, but the hostname is recorded in Received
    field...but maybe I am misunderstanding your question.

    is there a way to send mail from the mail address i specify and without
    the hostname of my server being revealed?


    Well reading the man it says <http://linux.die.net/man/5/ssmtp.conf>
    it says:

    "Hostname
    The full qualified name of the host. If not specified, the host is
    queried for its hostname. "

    So to test I used "bogus.nowhere.invalid" and that is what is in the
    header for "Received:" fields. This is independent of the "From:" field
    which you can set with your script if your enable it in the ssmtp.conf.
    But note your external IP will be recorded though, no way around that I
    would guess without a proxy.


    I want to avoid using GMail's service because it adds up a Sender:
    header saying that the mail originating from my gmail accoutn while i
    want to use the FROM field that the visitor used in my html web form to
    fill in his email

    Also it would be nice if the hostname would appear too. Pehars by using
    a proxy.
    Can ssmtp handle this?

    I cannot even download ssmtp when i 'yum install ssmtp'

    where can i find it as a package and can you please provide me a
    ssmtp.conf file that does the above( set its own FROM field and alter hostname)

    Thank you.

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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Sun Sep 8 07:57:39 2013
    Στις 8/9/2013 9:58 πμ, ο/η Ferrous Cranus έγραψε:
    Στις 7/9/2013 11:54 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 7/9/2013 3:33 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 9:10 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε: >>>>>> Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 11:50 πμ, ο/η Jorgen Grahn έγραψε: >>>>>>>>> Why i can only send mail to local server addresses an not to an >>>>>>>>> external
    mail address?
    Don't know, but remember that local mail is a lot easier. As
    long as
    you have an MTA (e.g. sendmail) running and its config is not
    horribly
    broken, local->local will work.


    I have managed already to make it work local=>local

    But then how about local => internet

    If you are only going it that direction "local => internet" and
    "internet" is gmail a simple solution is sSMTP.

    https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP

    I use it for remote servers to send error messages and info via
    scripts
    to an "admin" gmail account.

    Very simple to setup and works with gmail. Works for me to keep
    tabs on
    various servers I maintain.


    Can i use my own FROM field with sSMTP?


    Yes. I even add "X-*" headers for sorting done within my scripts, Perl >>>> and shell scripts so would be no problem with Python.

    But connecting to google's smtp server will still add a Sender header. >>>>

    Not for the from From field, but the hostname is recorded in Received
    field...but maybe I am misunderstanding your question.

    is there a way to send mail from the mail address i specify and without
    the hostname of my server being revealed?


    Well reading the man it says <http://linux.die.net/man/5/ssmtp.conf>
    it says:

    "Hostname
    The full qualified name of the host. If not specified, the host is
    queried for its hostname. "

    So to test I used "bogus.nowhere.invalid" and that is what is in the
    header for "Received:" fields. This is independent of the "From:" field
    which you can set with your script if your enable it in the ssmtp.conf.
    But note your external IP will be recorded though, no way around that I
    would guess without a proxy.


    I want to avoid using GMail's service because it adds up a Sender:
    header saying that the mail originating from my gmail accoutn while i
    want to use the FROM field that the visitor used in my html web form to
    fill in his email

    Also it would be nice if the hostname would appear too. Pehars by using
    a proxy.
    Can ssmtp handle this?

    I cannot even download ssmtp when i 'yum install ssmtp'

    where can i find it as a package and can you please provide me a
    ssmtp.conf file that does the above( set its own FROM field and alter hostname)

    Thank you.

    I cannot evn decide if i need an external mail server or setup my own
    mail server.

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  • From Jonathan N. Little@110:110/2002 to All on Sun Sep 8 14:11:01 2013
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 7/9/2013 11:54 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 7/9/2013 3:33 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 9:10 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε: >>>>>> Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 11:50 πμ, ο/η Jorgen Grahn έγραψε: >>>>>>>>> Why i can only send mail to local server addresses an not to an >>>>>>>>> external
    mail address?
    Don't know, but remember that local mail is a lot easier. As
    long as
    you have an MTA (e.g. sendmail) running and its config is not
    horribly
    broken, local->local will work.


    I have managed already to make it work local=>local

    But then how about local => internet

    If you are only going it that direction "local => internet" and
    "internet" is gmail a simple solution is sSMTP.

    https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP

    I use it for remote servers to send error messages and info via
    scripts
    to an "admin" gmail account.

    Very simple to setup and works with gmail. Works for me to keep
    tabs on
    various servers I maintain.


    Can i use my own FROM field with sSMTP?


    Yes. I even add "X-*" headers for sorting done within my scripts, Perl >>>> and shell scripts so would be no problem with Python.

    But connecting to google's smtp server will still add a Sender header. >>>>

    Not for the from From field, but the hostname is recorded in Received
    field...but maybe I am misunderstanding your question.

    is there a way to send mail from the mail address i specify and without
    the hostname of my server being revealed?


    Well reading the man it says <http://linux.die.net/man/5/ssmtp.conf>
    it says:

    "Hostname
    The full qualified name of the host. If not specified, the host is
    queried for its hostname. "

    So to test I used "bogus.nowhere.invalid" and that is what is in the
    header for "Received:" fields. This is independent of the "From:" field
    which you can set with your script if your enable it in the ssmtp.conf.
    But note your external IP will be recorded though, no way around that I
    would guess without a proxy.


    I want to avoid using GMail's service because it adds up a Sender:
    header saying that the mail originating from my gmail accoutn while i
    want to use the FROM field that the visitor used in my html web form to
    fill in his email

    Also it would be nice if the hostname would appear too. Pehars by using
    a proxy.
    Can ssmtp handle this?

    I cannot even download ssmtp when i 'yum install ssmtp'

    What distro are you using? Ubuntu/Debian has it in the standard repos
    and one of the links on configuration was for Arch

    where can i find it as a package and can you please provide me a
    ssmtp.conf file that does the above( set its own FROM field and alter hostname)


    The ssmtp.conf should be in /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf if you installed the package.


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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Sun Sep 8 14:16:53 2013
    Στις 8/9/2013 5:11 μμ, ο/η Jonathan N. Little έγραψε:
    I want to avoid using GMail's service because it adds up a Sender:
    header saying that the mail originating from my gmail accoutn while i
    want to use the FROM field that the visitor used in my html web form to
    fill in his email

    Also it would be nice if the hostname would appear too. Pehars by using
    a proxy.
    Can ssmtp handle this?

    I cannot even download ssmtp when i 'yum install ssmtp'

    What distro are you using? Ubuntu/Debian has it in the standard repos
    and one of the links on configuration was for Arch

    where can i find it as a package and can you please provide me a
    ssmtp.conf file that does the above( set its own FROM field and alter
    hostname)


    The ssmtp.conf should be in /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf if you installed the package.


    i use CentOS 6.4 and yum install ssmtp cannot detect it.

    Please if you comment in for my other questions too.

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  • From David Brown@1:0/0 to All on Sun Sep 8 14:34:47 2013
    On 06/09/13 11:17, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 12:10 μμ, ο/η David Brown έγραψε:
    On 05/09/13 18:11, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite _it_again >>> }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can send
    fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

    The obvious question here is why are you trying to use sendmail and
    mailx? You are writing a script in Python, and you want to send mail
    via an SMTP server. Just use Python's SMTP module.

    Liek this you mean:

    # open Gmail's SMTP server
    #server = smtplib.SMTP('smtp.gmail.com:587')
    #server.ehlo()
    #server.starttls()

    # next, log in to the server
    #server.login("my@gmail.com", "my_pass")


    Because GMail tend to add a Sender field when receiving my mail
    supresing the real FROM field used in the webform to my Gmail's auth
    account.

    I want to avoid that by using my own mail server so my mails appear for
    the correct client mail and not all of them from as coming from my GMail account/


    I have no experience with GMail, but there you can put whatever you want
    in the sender field (or any other field) when you connect to an SMTP
    server. And the SMTP server can always choose to override fields with
    its own settings if it wants. This applies equally to when you are
    using Python's SMTP module to connect to the GMail server, or when you
    send first to one SMTP server and relay on to GMail.

    Since Python's SMTP module "speaks" SMTP to gmail, and any other mail
    program or MTA that will send mail via a gmail relay also "speaks" SMTP
    for that transfer, I would be very surprised if there is some effect you
    can get with an additional program or relay that you cannot get by using Python directly.

    Your ISP should also have an SMTP server that you can connect to in the
    same way (via Python), and send it on that way.



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  • From David Brown@1:0/0 to All on Sun Sep 8 14:42:43 2013
    On 08/09/13 08:58, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    I want to avoid using GMail's service because it adds up a Sender:
    header saying that the mail originating from my gmail accoutn while i
    want to use the FROM field that the visitor used in my html web form to
    fill in his email


    If I understand you correctly here, you want a visitor to be able to put
    a "To" address and a "From" address, and you want to pass on the mail
    with those addresses and no others.

    Let me know if you get it working - I'll sell the website's address to spammers for a substantial fee.


    Put another way, do /not/ do this. If you are sending email, then /you/
    are sending it. If /your/ server is sending email, then the "from" and "sender" addresses should be /your/ server or related email addresses.
    It is basically fraud to say that someone else sent the email, even if
    that someone had filled in the web form for the email.


    Also it would be nice if the hostname would appear too. Pehars by using
    a proxy.
    Can ssmtp handle this?


    Most SMTP clients - ssmtp, Python's SMTP module, or anything else other
    than a standard email program (which tend to be a bit limited) can put anything you want in any field.



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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Sun Sep 8 15:37:10 2013
    Στις 8/9/2013 5:34 μμ, ο/η David Brown έγραψε:
    On 06/09/13 11:17, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 12:10 μμ, ο/η David Brown έγραψε:
    On 05/09/13 18:11, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite
    _it_again
    }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can send
    fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

    The obvious question here is why are you trying to use sendmail and
    mailx? You are writing a script in Python, and you want to send mail
    via an SMTP server. Just use Python's SMTP module.

    Liek this you mean:

    # open Gmail's SMTP server
    #server = smtplib.SMTP('smtp.gmail.com:587')
    #server.ehlo()
    #server.starttls()

    # next, log in to the server
    #server.login("my@gmail.com", "my_pass")


    Because GMail tend to add a Sender field when receiving my mail
    supresing the real FROM field used in the webform to my Gmail's auth
    account.

    I want to avoid that by using my own mail server so my mails appear for
    the correct client mail and not all of them from as coming from my GMail
    account/


    I have no experience with GMail, but there you can put whatever you want
    in the sender field (or any other field) when you connect to an SMTP
    server. And the SMTP server can always choose to override fields with
    its own settings if it wants. This applies equally to when you are
    using Python's SMTP module to connect to the GMail server, or when you
    send first to one SMTP server and relay on to GMail.

    Since Python's SMTP module "speaks" SMTP to gmail, and any other mail
    program or MTA that will send mail via a gmail relay also "speaks" SMTP
    for that transfer, I would be very surprised if there is some effect you
    can get with an additional program or relay that you cannot get by using Python directly.

    Your ISP should also have an SMTP server that you can connect to in the
    same way (via Python), and send it on that way.



    If i setup some mail server on localhost can i alter the from field to
    the one i want and suppress the hostname of the server?

    Thai is what i want to know.

    GMail doesnt care what you tell it to be the FROM field, it always ads
    up an authenticated Sender address into the headers and also display the hostname used to directly connect to it.


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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Sun Sep 8 15:41:47 2013
    Στις 8/9/2013 5:42 μμ, ο/η David Brown έγραψε:
    Put another way, do /not/ do this. If you are sending email, then /you/
    are sending it. If /your/ server is sending email, then the "from" and "sender" addresses should be /your/ server or related email addresses.
    It is basically fraud to say that someone else sent the email, even if
    that someone had filled in the web form for the email.


    No it is not.

    My web form at http://superhost.gr ask the visitor for his mail address
    and asks him for the subject to.

    I want those the visitor used to be seen as FROM and MESSAGE and not my
    gmail addres as sender.

    Is there a way to make this work?

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  • From Whiskers@110:110/2002 to All on Sun Sep 8 16:56:33 2013
    On 2013-09-08, Ferrous Cranus <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 5:42 μμ, ο/η David Brown έγραψε:
    Put another way, do /not/ do this. If you are sending email, then /you/
    are sending it. If /your/ server is sending email, then the "from" and
    "sender" addresses should be /your/ server or related email addresses.
    It is basically fraud to say that someone else sent the email, even if
    that someone had filled in the web form for the email.


    No it is not.

    My web form at http://superhost.gr ask the visitor for his mail address
    and asks him for the subject to.

    I want those the visitor used to be seen as FROM and MESSAGE and not my gmail addres as sender.

    Is there a way to make this work?

    If you use the Gmail SMTP server to deliver an email, you cannot stop
    Google from adding whatever header information they want.

    Google may well object to your Gmail account being used to send emails
    not coming from you, indeed they should reject any such email - and
    terminate your Gmail account if it happens more than a few times. The
    only exception may be that Google will let you 'register' particular
    email addresses which are not provided by them, so that you can send
    messages 'from' those addresses using their server; I don't know if
    Google charge extra for that service. The headers available to the
    recipient will show that Gmail have 'relayed' the message, and will show
    the public IP number of the internet connection used for initiating the
    email, and whatever hostname your system identifies itself with when
    logging in to the Gmail server.

    If your visitors have email addresses of their own already, why not let
    them log in to their own email accounts instead of trying to use your
    Gmail account?

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  • From Todd@110:110/2002 to All on Sun Sep 8 20:15:04 2013
    On 09/07/2013 11:54 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 2:20 πμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/06/2013 12:37 AM, Νίκος - Support wrote:> Στις 6/9/2013 10:20 πμ,
    ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/05/2013 09:11 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite
    _it_again
    }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can send
    fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

    Hi Ferrous,

    Your .mailrc syntax is too weird. I place all my parameters
    inside my script.

    gMail is a pain in the ... to use with mailx. Here is a test
    script I wrote that should help you. Change the
    "Your_email_address",
    "Your_other_email_address", and "Your_email_password"
    appropriately

    Create a separate mailcert directory, copy your mailcerts
    $ ls
    cert7.db cert8.db key3.db secmod.db
    from your Firefox directory to it, and point your "nss-config-dir"
    at it.

    Note that some of my lines scrolled when I pasted.

    Good luck,
    -T


    $ cat MailxTest.gmail
    #!/bin/bash

    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test
    subject" \
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="Your_email_password" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/ \
    Your_other_email_address@gmail.com

    Hello Todd,

    Do i download them from Google? What
    their use?
    i don't user FF i use Chrome instead.


    Please elaborate.

    Certainly! gmail and zmail (zoho.com) are both huge
    pains in the --- to get working from a script.

    Hi Νίκος,

    The batch script is how to send "From:" a gmail
    account with a batch script using mailx. The
    "To:" can be anyone.

    I also have a script to do the same thing from a
    zoho account (zmail), if anyone wants it.

    First let me write the comments in my batch file a little better.
    Remember, this BASH script is a only for sending from a script
    through gMail.

    -------- cat MailxTest.gmail -----------
    #!/bin/bash
    #
    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test
    subject" \
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=From_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=From_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="From_email_password" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/ \
    To_email_address@gmail.com

    ---------------------------------------------------

    i want to try your example but i don't know where i'm
    supposed to find the cert* and key* files.

    You will find them in your gMail profile. Your profile
    is in your home directory under
    $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/your_profiles_cypher_name

    1) install firefox

    2) start firefox and let it automatically create its first
    profile

    3) open a terminal/xterm in your home directory

    4) search for the certificates with
    find $HOME/.mozilla/firefox -iname \*cert\*.db
    remember to copy all the *.db's over from your profile
    to a separate directory. Mine are:

    cert7.db cert8.db key3.db secmod.db

    Firefox needs these certificates to do the "s" in https

    5) modify "nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/" in
    the above script to match the directory you copied the
    certificates to


    What are the mailcerts anyway?

    gMail uses SSL (secure socket layer or the "s" in https) and
    need these certificates to authenticate. So does zmail, but
    uses a different sign in method.

    The code above is supposed to be use in a file called
    'MailxTest.gmail'

    This is a Bash script. The first line in the script "#!/bin/bash"
    tells you this.

    not from within a python script i have called 'mail.py' ?

    No. Not to a Python script. Get it working in Bash first,
    them translate it to Python. YOUR PYTHON SUBROUTINE WILL NEED
    THESE CERTIFICATES TOO! If you can get it working in BASH,
    you are 90% of the way there.

    Also what is the other thing at the end
    you_other_email_address@gmail.com

    My bad. I should have said it was the gMail "To"
    address, which can be anyone.

    Good luck, I am dying to know if this helped you or
    anyone else. I am usually the one asking the questions.

    -T

    Hello Todd!

    Let me tell you what i did:

    i have:

    rm ~./mailrc

    nikos@superhost.gr [~]# cat MailXTest.gmail
    #!/bin/bash
    #
    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test subject" \ -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=my@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="my_gmail_pass" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/nikos/certs/ \
    nikos@ath.forthnet.gr

    chmod u+x MailXTest.gmail

    and finally when i try to run it:

    nikos@superhost.gr [~]# MailXTest.gmail
    -bash: MailXTest.gmail: command not found

    What iam doing?

    Apart from that i want to avoid using GMail's service becazue it adds up
    a Sender: header sayign that the mail originating from my gmail accoutn
    while i want to use the FROM field that the visitor used in my html web
    form to fill in his email

    Also it would be nice if the hostname would appear too.

    Do we need to setup our own mail servr to achieve this?


    `dnsdomainname` gives you both your hostname and your domain
    name. Try just running the command by itself from the command
    line.

    Note sure what you mean by "visitor used". Is the visitor's
    address what you want to use as "From:"? If so, it needs to
    be a gMail account and you need to use his info in
    "from=", "smtp-auth-user=", and "smtp-auth-password=".

    If "visitor" is not a gMail account, you need to find out
    what the SMTP settings are for his account.

    Not sure what is going on. Here is a scatter gun approach.

    1) is "mailx" install and at the latest version? From
    the command line, run the following to see if it
    is there and in your path:
    which mailx

    2) try putting "./" in front of the MailXTest.gmail.
    ./MailXTest.gmail

    3) "from=" and "smtp-auth-user=" should be the same
    thing (my@gmail.com).

    4) try adding tracing to the script. On line one, add "-x"
    #!/bin/bash -x
    if there is a problem, it will show you where

    -T



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  • From David Brown@1:0/0 to All on Sun Sep 8 23:57:20 2013
    On 08/09/13 17:37, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 5:34 μμ, ο/η David Brown έγραψε:
    On 06/09/13 11:17, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 6/9/2013 12:10 μμ, ο/η David Brown έγραψε:
    On 05/09/13 18:11, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite
    _it_again
    }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
    SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can send >>>>> fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

    The obvious question here is why are you trying to use sendmail and
    mailx? You are writing a script in Python, and you want to send mail
    via an SMTP server. Just use Python's SMTP module.

    Liek this you mean:

    # open Gmail's SMTP server
    #server = smtplib.SMTP('smtp.gmail.com:587')
    #server.ehlo()
    #server.starttls()

    # next, log in to the server
    #server.login("my@gmail.com", "my_pass")


    Because GMail tend to add a Sender field when receiving my mail
    supresing the real FROM field used in the webform to my Gmail's auth
    account.

    I want to avoid that by using my own mail server so my mails appear for
    the correct client mail and not all of them from as coming from my GMail >>> account/


    I have no experience with GMail, but there you can put whatever you want
    in the sender field (or any other field) when you connect to an SMTP
    server. And the SMTP server can always choose to override fields with
    its own settings if it wants. This applies equally to when you are
    using Python's SMTP module to connect to the GMail server, or when you
    send first to one SMTP server and relay on to GMail.

    Since Python's SMTP module "speaks" SMTP to gmail, and any other mail
    program or MTA that will send mail via a gmail relay also "speaks" SMTP
    for that transfer, I would be very surprised if there is some effect you
    can get with an additional program or relay that you cannot get by using
    Python directly.

    Your ISP should also have an SMTP server that you can connect to in the
    same way (via Python), and send it on that way.



    If i setup some mail server on localhost can i alter the from field to
    the one i want and suppress the hostname of the server?

    Thai is what i want to know.

    GMail doesnt care what you tell it to be the FROM field, it always ads
    up an authenticated Sender address into the headers and also display the hostname used to directly connect to it.



    One last time - you can do /exactly/ the same thing from Python.

    <http://docs.python.org/2/library/smtplib.html#smtp-example>

    And again, /don't/ do this with other people's email addresses. Unless
    you are specifically making a website with this intention (i.e., a
    web-based email client), then this is verging on fraud. It is certainly
    not what users would expect or like.


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  • From Todd@110:110/2002 to All on Mon Sep 9 01:23:56 2013
    On 09/08/2013 07:16 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i use CentOS 6.4 and yum install ssmtp cannot detect it.

    Please if you comment in for my other questions too.


    $ cat /etc/redhat-release
    Scientific Linux release 6.4 (Carbon)

    $ yum --enablerepo=* whatprovides ssmtpssmtp-2.61-19.el6.x86_64 :
    Extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a Mailhub
    Repo : epel



    ....

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  • From Todd@110:110/2002 to All on Mon Sep 9 01:35:54 2013
    On 09/08/2013 06:23 PM, Todd wrote:
    On 09/08/2013 07:16 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i use CentOS 6.4 and yum install ssmtp cannot detect it.

    Please if you comment in for my other questions too.


    $ cat /etc/redhat-release
    Scientific Linux release 6.4 (Carbon)

    $ yum --enablerepo=* whatprovides ssmtpssmtp-2.61-19.el6.x86_64 :
    Extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a Mailhub
    Repo : epel


    You can download this from pbone.net, if you don't want to
    get install EPEL repo.

    Also, I never got ssmtp to work with gmail.

    -T

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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Mon Sep 9 08:09:54 2013
    Στις 8/9/2013 7:56 μμ, ο/η Whiskers έγραψε:
    The
    only exception may be that Google will let you 'register' particular
    email addresses which are not provided by them, so that you can send
    messages 'from' those addresses using their server; I don't know if
    Google charge extra for that service.

    What do you mean by Google letting me 'register' some mail address?
    I dont unserstand that sentence.

    Will it still add up Sender Header of it own?

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  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Mon Sep 9 08:29:20 2013
    Στις 8/9/2013 11:15 μμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/07/2013 11:54 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 2:20 πμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/06/2013 12:37 AM, Νίκος - Support wrote:> Στις 6/9/2013 10:20 πμ,
    ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/05/2013 09:11 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i as root just installed

    sendmail and mailx. i have edited the ~/.mailrc to use:


    nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# cat ~/.mailrc
    account gmail {
    set smtp-use-starttls
    set smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587
    set smtp-auth=login
    set smtp-auth-user=may)gmail
    set smtp-auth-password=my_gmail_pass_not_stupid_enough_to_wite
    _it_again
    }e



    And now i'm trying to:


    cmd = "echo %s | mailx -A gmail -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM, >>> >>> SUBJECT, TO)
    p=subprocess.Popen( cmd, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE )
    output, errors = p.communicate()
    print( errors, output )


    Any ideas please why this fails to work?
    while i remove the '-A gmail' string in the cmd line then i can
    send
    fast mail but only to mail containing the @superhost.gr trail.

    i need to be eble to send to external mails to.

    Hi Ferrous,

    Your .mailrc syntax is too weird. I place all my parameters
    inside my script.

    gMail is a pain in the ... to use with mailx. Here is a test
    script I wrote that should help you. Change the
    "Your_email_address",
    "Your_other_email_address", and "Your_email_password"
    appropriately

    Create a separate mailcert directory, copy your mailcerts
    $ ls
    cert7.db cert8.db key3.db secmod.db
    from your Firefox directory to it, and point your "nss-config-dir"
    at it.

    Note that some of my lines scrolled when I pasted.

    Good luck,
    -T


    $ cat MailxTest.gmail
    #!/bin/bash

    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test
    subject" \
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="Your_email_password" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/ \
    Your_other_email_address@gmail.com

    Hello Todd,

    Do i download them from Google? What
    their use?
    i don't user FF i use Chrome instead.


    Please elaborate.

    Certainly! gmail and zmail (zoho.com) are both huge
    pains in the --- to get working from a script.

    Hi Νίκος,

    The batch script is how to send "From:" a gmail
    account with a batch script using mailx. The
    "To:" can be anyone.

    I also have a script to do the same thing from a
    zoho account (zmail), if anyone wants it.

    First let me write the comments in my batch file a little better.
    Remember, this BASH script is a only for sending from a script
    through gMail.

    -------- cat MailxTest.gmail -----------
    #!/bin/bash
    #
    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test
    subject" \
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=From_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=From_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="From_email_password" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/ \
    To_email_address@gmail.com

    ---------------------------------------------------

    i want to try your example but i don't know where i'm
    supposed to find the cert* and key* files.

    You will find them in your gMail profile. Your profile
    is in your home directory under
    $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/your_profiles_cypher_name

    1) install firefox

    2) start firefox and let it automatically create its first
    profile

    3) open a terminal/xterm in your home directory

    4) search for the certificates with
    find $HOME/.mozilla/firefox -iname \*cert\*.db
    remember to copy all the *.db's over from your profile
    to a separate directory. Mine are:

    cert7.db cert8.db key3.db secmod.db

    Firefox needs these certificates to do the "s" in https

    5) modify "nss-config-dir=/home/linuxutil/mailcerts/" in
    the above script to match the directory you copied the
    certificates to


    What are the mailcerts anyway?

    gMail uses SSL (secure socket layer or the "s" in https) and
    need these certificates to authenticate. So does zmail, but
    uses a different sign in method.

    The code above is supposed to be use in a file called
    'MailxTest.gmail'

    This is a Bash script. The first line in the script "#!/bin/bash"
    tells you this.

    not from within a python script i have called 'mail.py' ?

    No. Not to a Python script. Get it working in Bash first,
    them translate it to Python. YOUR PYTHON SUBROUTINE WILL NEED
    THESE CERTIFICATES TOO! If you can get it working in BASH,
    you are 90% of the way there.

    Also what is the other thing at the end
    you_other_email_address@gmail.com

    My bad. I should have said it was the gMail "To"
    address, which can be anyone.

    Good luck, I am dying to know if this helped you or
    anyone else. I am usually the one asking the questions.

    -T

    Hello Todd!

    Let me tell you what i did:

    i have:

    rm ~./mailrc

    nikos@superhost.gr [~]# cat MailXTest.gmail
    #!/bin/bash
    #
    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test
    subject" \
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=my@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="my_gmail_pass" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/nikos/certs/ \
    nikos@ath.forthnet.gr

    chmod u+x MailXTest.gmail

    and finally when i try to run it:

    nikos@superhost.gr [~]# MailXTest.gmail
    -bash: MailXTest.gmail: command not found

    What iam doing?

    Apart from that i want to avoid using GMail's service becazue it adds up
    a Sender: header sayign that the mail originating from my gmail accoutn
    while i want to use the FROM field that the visitor used in my html web
    form to fill in his email

    Also it would be nice if the hostname would appear too.

    Do we need to setup our own mail servr to achieve this?


    `dnsdomainname` gives you both your hostname and your domain
    name. Try just running the command by itself from the command
    line.

    Note sure what you mean by "visitor used". Is the visitor's
    address what you want to use as "From:"? If so, it needs to
    be a gMail account and you need to use his info in
    "from=", "smtp-auth-user=", and "smtp-auth-password=".

    If "visitor" is not a gMail account, you need to find out
    what the SMTP settings are for his account.

    Not sure what is going on. Here is a scatter gun approach.

    1) is "mailx" install and at the latest version? From
    the command line, run the following to see if it
    is there and in your path:
    which mailx

    2) try putting "./" in front of the MailXTest.gmail.
    ./MailXTest.gmail

    3) "from=" and "smtp-auth-user=" should be the same
    thing (my@gmail.com).

    4) try adding tracing to the script. On line one, add "-x"
    #!/bin/bash -x
    if there is a problem, it will show you where

    -T



    nikos@superhost.gr [~]# ./MailXTest.gmail
    Send options without primary recipient specified.
    Usage: mailx -eiIUdEFntBDNHRV~ -T FILE -u USER -h hops -r address -s
    SUBJECT -a FILE -q FILE -f FILE -A ACCOUNT -b USERS -c USERS -S OPTION users ../MailXTest.gmail: line 4: -S: command not found
    nikos@superhost.gr [~]# cat MailXTest.gmail
    #!/bin/bash -x
    #
    echo "mailx test" | mailx -v -s `dnsdomainname`" gmail smtp test subject" \
    -S smtp-use-starttls \
    -S ssl-verify=ignore \
    -S smtp-auth=login \
    -S smtp=smtp://smtp.gmail.com:587 \
    -S from=Your_email_address@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-user=mygmail@gmail.com \
    -S smtp-auth-password="pass" \
    -S nss-config-dir=/home/nikos/certs/ \
    nikos@ath.forthnet.gr

    The visitor of http://superhost.gr tried to send me an email using the
    wb gorm i ahve which asks for his mail address and MESSAGE he wans to
    send me.

    i have no way of knowing the smtp settings the visitor uses or even if
    his mail address is real but no matter what, the the FROM field must
    contain the mail address the user types in the web form.


    --
    Webhost <http://superhost.gr>

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  • From Todd@110:110/2002 to All on Mon Sep 9 18:44:36 2013
    On 09/09/2013 01:29 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    i have no way of knowing the smtp settings the visitor uses or even if
    his mail address is real but no matter what, the the FROM field must
    contain the mail address the user types in the web form.

    You should create a special eMail address of your own for
    these messages and use that to send with. "Supposedly"
    (note the weasel word), "-S from=" and "-S smtp-auth-user="
    can be different.



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  • From Jorgen Grahn@1:0/0 to All on Mon Sep 9 19:35:04 2013
    On Sun, 2013-09-08, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    ....
    I want to avoid using GMail's service because it adds up a Sender:
    header saying that the mail originating from my gmail accoutn while i
    want to use the FROM field that the visitor used in my html web form to
    fill in his email

    You've mentioned this several times. What's the problem? It seems like
    a sane and sensible thing for GMail to do, and also a harmless one.
    RFC 2822 indicates Sender: and From: can be seen as "the guy who sent
    the message; pressed the button" and "the guy who wrote it and is
    responsible for it".

    And doesn't that describe what you're aiming for?

    The originator fields of a message consist of the from field, the
    sender field (when applicable), and optionally the reply-to field.
    ... If the from field contains more than one mailbox specification
    in the mailbox-list, then the sender field ... MUST appear in the
    message. In either case, an optional reply-to field MAY also be
    included ...

    The originator fields indicate the mailbox(es) of the source of the
    message. The "From:" field specifies the author(s) of the message,
    that is, the mailbox(es) of the person(s) or system(s) responsible
    for the writing of the message. The "Sender:" field specifies the
    mailbox of the agent responsible for the actual transmission of the
    message. For example, if a secretary were to send a message for
    another person, the mailbox of the secretary would appear in the
    "Sender:" field and the mailbox of the actual author would appear in
    the "From:" field. ...

    The originator fields also provide the information required when
    replying to a message. When the "Reply-To:" field is present, it
    indicates the mailbox(es) to which the author of the message suggests
    that replies be sent. In the absence of the "Reply-To:" field,
    replies SHOULD by default be sent to the mailbox(es) specified in the
    "From:" field unless otherwise specified by the person composing the
    reply.

    This part is also nice:

    In all cases, the "From:" field SHOULD NOT contain any mailbox that
    does not belong to the author(s) of the message.

    /Jorgen

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  • From Whiskers@110:110/2002 to All on Mon Sep 9 20:31:25 2013
    On 2013-09-09, Ferrous Cranus <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 7:56 μμ, ο/η Whiskers έγραψε:
    The
    only exception may be that Google will let you 'register' particular
    email addresses which are not provided by them, so that you can send
    messages 'from' those addresses using their server; I don't know if
    Google charge extra for that service.

    What do you mean by Google letting me 'register' some mail address?
    I dont unserstand that sentence.

    Go to <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/22370?hl=en-GB&ctx=mail>
    "Sending mail from a different address".

    ,----
    | Gmail lets you send messages with another of your email addresses listed
    | as the sender instead of your Gmail address. This feature helps you
    | manage multiple accounts from the Gmail interface; it works only if you
    | already own the email account linked to the alternate address. [...]
    `----

    Will it still add up Sender Header of it own?

    I wouldn't be at all surprised. If you don't want Google to 'stamp'
    your mail, don't send it using Google.

    --
    -- ^^^^^^^^^^
    -- Whiskers
    -- ~~~~~~~~~~

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  • From Whiskers@110:110/2002 to All on Mon Sep 9 21:07:34 2013
    On 2013-09-09, Ferrous Cranus <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 11:15 μμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/07/2013 11:54 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 2:20 πμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/06/2013 12:37 AM, Νίκος - Support wrote:> Στις 6/9/2013 10:20 πμ,
    ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/05/2013 09:11 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:

    [...]

    The visitor of http://superhost.gr tried to send me an email using the
    wb gorm i ahve which asks for his mail address and MESSAGE he wans to
    send me.

    i have no way of knowing the smtp settings the visitor uses or even if
    his mail address is real but no matter what, the the FROM field must
    contain the mail address the user types in the web form.

    That's fine, but only while the email is on your own system. If you
    want users of your system to be able to send local emails to you and
    other local users, each user should have a username of their own which
    they use to log in to your system, and the computer they use will have a hostname; those two things combine to create email addresses that are
    valid for use within your own system - "jim_z@localhost" or "root@upstairs.computer" or "dad@kitchen.sink" or whatever. This sort
    of arrangement is not usually worth the bother, apart from getting
    system status and error reports sent to the system administrator by the
    various 'daemons' or 'services' you have running.

    If you want to allow visitors to access their existing Gmail accounts
    from your computer, just set up a limited user called (for example)
    guest, with access only to a web browser - possibly in 'kiosk mode' - so
    that they can log in using the same login details as they do from
    anywhere else.

    Or are you trying to become an email service provider yourself?

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    -- Whiskers
    -- ~~~~~~~~~~

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  • From Jonathan N. Little@110:110/2002 to All on Mon Sep 9 21:11:01 2013
    Todd wrote:
    On 09/08/2013 06:23 PM, Todd wrote:
    On 09/08/2013 07:16 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:


    i use CentOS 6.4 and yum install ssmtp cannot detect it.

    Please if you comment in for my other questions too.


    $ cat /etc/redhat-release
    Scientific Linux release 6.4 (Carbon)

    $ yum --enablerepo=* whatprovides ssmtpssmtp-2.61-19.el6.x86_64 :
    Extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a Mailhub
    Repo : epel


    You can download this from pbone.net, if you don't want to
    get install EPEL repo.

    Also, I never got ssmtp to work with gmail.

    Really? I usually use nullmailer but it does not work with gmail.
    ssmtp was the only thing that I got to work with gmail on several
    computers. Generally what I do to assist in remote administration for
    servers. I create a gmail account for error messages and notices, use
    ssmtp to setup a lightweight smtp "server" My scripts email warnings,
    errors, and messages to that account and the server admins only have to monitor that email account from anywhere...

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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  • From Jonathan N. Little@110:110/2002 to All on Mon Sep 9 21:33:10 2013
    Whiskers wrote:
    On 2013-09-09, Ferrous Cranus <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 11:15 μμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/07/2013 11:54 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 2:20 πμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/06/2013 12:37 AM, Νίκος - Support wrote:> Στις 6/9/2013 10:20 πμ,
    ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    >> On 09/05/2013 09:11 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:

    [...]

    The visitor of http://superhost.gr tried to send me an email using the
    wb gorm i ahve which asks for his mail address and MESSAGE he wans to
    send me.

    i have no way of knowing the smtp settings the visitor uses or even if
    his mail address is real but no matter what, the the FROM field must
    contain the mail address the user types in the web form.

    That's fine, but only while the email is on your own system. If you
    want users of your system to be able to send local emails to you and
    other local users, each user should have a username of their own which
    they use to log in to your system, and the computer they use will have a hostname; those two things combine to create email addresses that are
    valid for use within your own system - "jim_z@localhost" or "root@upstairs.computer" or "dad@kitchen.sink" or whatever. This sort
    of arrangement is not usually worth the bother, apart from getting
    system status and error reports sent to the system administrator by the various 'daemons' or 'services' you have running.

    If you want to allow visitors to access their existing Gmail accounts
    from your computer, just set up a limited user called (for example)
    guest, with access only to a web browser - possibly in 'kiosk mode' - so
    that they can log in using the same login details as they do from
    anywhere else.

    Or are you trying to become an email service provider yourself?


    It sounds more like the OP is trying to setup form to mail and wishes to validate if the visitor's supplied email address in his form is valid.
    Well, there is no real way to do this one shot. If he is using that form
    to create a auto-reply with that user supplied address he better take
    measures to prevent robo comment spam.

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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  • From Todd@110:110/2002 to All on Mon Sep 9 21:40:51 2013
    On 09/09/2013 02:11 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    Also, I never got ssmtp to work with gmail.

    Really? I usually use nullmailer but it does not work with gmail.

    It took me several days to figure out how to get mailx to
    work with gmail and zmail. I was pretty frazzled by
    the end of it. Probably contributed with me not getting
    ssmtp working

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    in a couple slices of baloney
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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  • From Jonathan N. Little@110:110/2002 to All on Mon Sep 9 22:15:44 2013
    Todd wrote:
    On 09/09/2013 02:11 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    Also, I never got ssmtp to work with gmail.

    Really? I usually use nullmailer but it does not work with gmail.

    It took me several days to figure out how to get mailx to
    work with gmail and zmail. I was pretty frazzled by
    the end of it. Probably contributed with me not getting
    ssmtp working


    Other than installing it edit the /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf to something
    like this change what is obvious:

    # /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf
    # Sample Config file for sSMTP sendmail
    #
    # The person who gets all mail for userids < 1000
    root=YOUR_EMAIL@gmail.com
    UseTLS=YES
    UseSTARTTLS=YES
    mailhub=smtp.gmail.com:587
    # Are users allowed to set their own From: address?
    # YES - Allow the user to specify their own From: address
    # NO - Use the system generated From: address
    FromLineOverride=YES
    #
    # Username and password for Google's Gmail servers
    # From addresses are settled by Mutt's rc file, so
    # with this setup one can still achieve multi-user SMTP AuthUser=YOUR_EMAIL@gmail.com
    AuthPass=YOUR_GMAIL_PASSWORD

    Then you might like to setup alias like as follows:

    #/etc/ssmtp/revaliases
    # sSMTP aliases
    #
    # Format: local_account:outgoing_address:mailhub
    #
    # Some common handy examples to redirect system script messages root:YOUR_EMAIL@gmail.com
    postmaster:YOUR_EMAIL@gmail.com


    And you can test it out with the bash one-liner

    echo -e "TO: Admin <YOUR_EMAIL@gmail.com>\nFROM: test <bogus@invalid>\nSUBJECT: A Test\nA sample message" | $(which sendmail) YOUR_EMAIL@gmail.com


    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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  • From Whiskers@110:110/2002 to All on Tue Sep 10 15:38:20 2013
    On 2013-09-09, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
    Whiskers wrote:
    On 2013-09-09, Ferrous Cranus <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 11:15 μμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/07/2013 11:54 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 2:20 πμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/06/2013 12:37 AM, Νίκος - Support wrote:> Στις 6/9/2013 10:20 πμ,
    ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    >> On 09/05/2013 09:11 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:

    [...]

    The visitor of http://superhost.gr tried to send me an email using the
    wb gorm i ahve which asks for his mail address and MESSAGE he wans to
    send me.

    i have no way of knowing the smtp settings the visitor uses or even if
    his mail address is real but no matter what, the the FROM field must
    contain the mail address the user types in the web form.

    That's fine, but only while the email is on your own system. If you
    want users of your system to be able to send local emails to you and
    other local users, each user should have a username of their own which
    they use to log in to your system, and the computer they use will have a
    hostname; those two things combine to create email addresses that are
    valid for use within your own system - "jim_z@localhost" or
    "root@upstairs.computer" or "dad@kitchen.sink" or whatever. This sort
    of arrangement is not usually worth the bother, apart from getting
    system status and error reports sent to the system administrator by the
    various 'daemons' or 'services' you have running.

    If you want to allow visitors to access their existing Gmail accounts
    from your computer, just set up a limited user called (for example)
    guest, with access only to a web browser - possibly in 'kiosk mode' - so
    that they can log in using the same login details as they do from
    anywhere else.

    Or are you trying to become an email service provider yourself?


    It sounds more like the OP is trying to setup form to mail and wishes to validate if the visitor's supplied email address in his form is valid.
    Well, there is no real way to do this one shot. If he is using that form
    to create a auto-reply with that user supplied address he better take measures to prevent robo comment spam.

    Might be useful to clarify whether the OP wants the visitor's message to
    be sent *to* the OP's Gmail address, eg as feedback from a website, or
    wants the visitor to be able to send emails to anyone by *relaying*
    through Google's SMTP server using the OP's Google account but with
    unspecified or invented 'From' addresses.

    The latter should not be permitted by Google or any other email service provider, of course.

    <http://www.nixtutor.com/linux/send-mail-with-gmail-and-ssmtp/> <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP#Forward_to_a_Gmail_Mail_Server> <http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/mailx.html>

    --
    -- ^^^^^^^^^^
    -- Whiskers
    -- ~~~~~~~~~~

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    * Origin: is an alien concept (110:110/2002@linuxnet)
  • From Ferrous Cranus@110:110/2002 to All on Tue Sep 10 19:37:29 2013
    Στις 10/9/2013 6:38 μμ, ο/η Whiskers έγραψε:
    On 2013-09-09, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
    Whiskers wrote:
    On 2013-09-09, Ferrous Cranus <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 11:15 μμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/07/2013 11:54 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 2:20 πμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/06/2013 12:37 AM, Νίκος - Support wrote:> Στις 6/9/2013 10:20 πμ,
    ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    >> On 09/05/2013 09:11 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:

    [...]

    The visitor of http://superhost.gr tried to send me an email using the >>>> wb gorm i ahve which asks for his mail address and MESSAGE he wans to
    send me.

    i have no way of knowing the smtp settings the visitor uses or even if >>>> his mail address is real but no matter what, the the FROM field must
    contain the mail address the user types in the web form.

    That's fine, but only while the email is on your own system. If you
    want users of your system to be able to send local emails to you and
    other local users, each user should have a username of their own which
    they use to log in to your system, and the computer they use will have a >>> hostname; those two things combine to create email addresses that are
    valid for use within your own system - "jim_z@localhost" or
    "root@upstairs.computer" or "dad@kitchen.sink" or whatever. This sort
    of arrangement is not usually worth the bother, apart from getting
    system status and error reports sent to the system administrator by the
    various 'daemons' or 'services' you have running.

    If you want to allow visitors to access their existing Gmail accounts
    from your computer, just set up a limited user called (for example)
    guest, with access only to a web browser - possibly in 'kiosk mode' - so >>> that they can log in using the same login details as they do from
    anywhere else.

    Or are you trying to become an email service provider yourself?


    It sounds more like the OP is trying to setup form to mail and wishes to
    validate if the visitor's supplied email address in his form is valid.
    Well, there is no real way to do this one shot. If he is using that form
    to create a auto-reply with that user supplied address he better take
    measures to prevent robo comment spam.

    Might be useful to clarify whether the OP wants the visitor's message to
    be sent *to* the OP's Gmail address, eg as feedback from a website, or
    wants the visitor to be able to send emails to anyone by *relaying*
    through Google's SMTP server using the OP's Google account but with unspecified or invented 'From' addresses.

    The latter should not be permitted by Google or any other email service provider, of course.

    <http://www.nixtutor.com/linux/send-mail-with-gmail-and-ssmtp/> <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP#Forward_to_a_Gmail_Mail_Server> <http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/mailx.html>

    What i want is for my weboage to notify me for the visitors spcified
    mail address and message and this be done by setting up my won mail
    server because gmail's tend to alter the from address.

    --
    Webhost <http://superhost.gr>

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  • From David Brown@1:0/0 to All on Tue Sep 10 21:04:07 2013
    On 10/09/13 21:37, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 10/9/2013 6:38 μμ, ο/η Whiskers έγραψε:
    On 2013-09-09, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
    Whiskers wrote:
    On 2013-09-09, Ferrous Cranus <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 11:15 μμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/07/2013 11:54 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 2:20 πμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/06/2013 12:37 AM, Νίκος - Support wrote:> Στις 6/9/2013
    10:20 πμ,
    ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    >> On 09/05/2013 09:11 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:

    [...]

    The visitor of http://superhost.gr tried to send me an email using the >>>>> wb gorm i ahve which asks for his mail address and MESSAGE he wans to >>>>> send me.

    i have no way of knowing the smtp settings the visitor uses or even if >>>>> his mail address is real but no matter what, the the FROM field must >>>>> contain the mail address the user types in the web form.

    That's fine, but only while the email is on your own system. If you
    want users of your system to be able to send local emails to you and
    other local users, each user should have a username of their own which >>>> they use to log in to your system, and the computer they use will
    have a
    hostname; those two things combine to create email addresses that are
    valid for use within your own system - "jim_z@localhost" or
    "root@upstairs.computer" or "dad@kitchen.sink" or whatever. This sort >>>> of arrangement is not usually worth the bother, apart from getting
    system status and error reports sent to the system administrator by the >>>> various 'daemons' or 'services' you have running.

    If you want to allow visitors to access their existing Gmail accounts
    from your computer, just set up a limited user called (for example)
    guest, with access only to a web browser - possibly in 'kiosk mode'
    - so
    that they can log in using the same login details as they do from
    anywhere else.

    Or are you trying to become an email service provider yourself?


    It sounds more like the OP is trying to setup form to mail and wishes to >>> validate if the visitor's supplied email address in his form is valid.
    Well, there is no real way to do this one shot. If he is using that form >>> to create a auto-reply with that user supplied address he better take
    measures to prevent robo comment spam.

    Might be useful to clarify whether the OP wants the visitor's message to
    be sent *to* the OP's Gmail address, eg as feedback from a website, or
    wants the visitor to be able to send emails to anyone by *relaying*
    through Google's SMTP server using the OP's Google account but with
    unspecified or invented 'From' addresses.

    The latter should not be permitted by Google or any other email service
    provider, of course.

    <http://www.nixtutor.com/linux/send-mail-with-gmail-and-ssmtp/>
    <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP#Forward_to_a_Gmail_Mail_Server> >>
    <http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/mailx.html>

    What i want is for my weboage to notify me for the visitors spcified
    mail address and message and this be done by setting up my won mail
    server because gmail's tend to alter the from address.


    Your own email server will either send via another "real" SMTP server,
    such as gmail's (which will change the Sender and/or From fields), or it
    will try to deliver email directly - in which case half the receiving
    email servers will block it as a spam server (even if you go to all the
    effort of fixed IP's, proper DNS, and proper reverse DNS, you will be
    caught sending with From addresses that should not be coming from your machine).

    I don't know why this is so difficult for you to comprehend - you cannot
    forge other people's From addresses and expect everything to work!

    Just implement the web site in the same way everybody else does - fields
    that the user enters (such as their own address) go as part of the email contents, and the whole thing is emailed to a fixed address from a fixed address (these can even be the same, such as your gmail address).

    This is not rocket science - people have been doing it correctly for a
    long time. The reason you are having such a hard time is because you
    are desperately trying to misunderstand how email works, and how web
    email forms work.

    <http://www.freecontactform.com/html_form.php> <http://www.templatemonster.com/help/how-create-contact-form-html.html>

    (These use php rather than python, but the principle is the same.)


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  • From Whiskers@110:110/2002 to All on Tue Sep 10 21:05:58 2013
    On 2013-09-10, Ferrous Cranus <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
    Στις 10/9/2013 6:38 μμ, ο/η Whiskers έγραψε:
    On 2013-09-09, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
    Whiskers wrote:
    On 2013-09-09, Ferrous Cranus <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 11:15 μμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/07/2013 11:54 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
    Στις 8/9/2013 2:20 πμ, ο/η Todd έγραψε:
    On 09/06/2013 12:37 AM, Νίκος - Support wrote:> Στις 6/9/2013 10:20 πμ,
    ο/η Todd έγραψε:

    [...]

    It sounds more like the OP is trying to setup form to mail and wishes to >>> validate if the visitor's supplied email address in his form is valid.
    Well, there is no real way to do this one shot. If he is using that form >>> to create a auto-reply with that user supplied address he better take
    measures to prevent robo comment spam.

    Might be useful to clarify whether the OP wants the visitor's message to
    be sent *to* the OP's Gmail address, eg as feedback from a website, or
    wants the visitor to be able to send emails to anyone by *relaying*
    through Google's SMTP server using the OP's Google account but with
    unspecified or invented 'From' addresses.

    The latter should not be permitted by Google or any other email service
    provider, of course.

    <http://www.nixtutor.com/linux/send-mail-with-gmail-and-ssmtp/>
    <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP#Forward_to_a_Gmail_Mail_Server> >> <http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/mailx.html>

    What i want is for my weboage to notify me for the visitors spcified
    mail address and message and this be done by setting up my won mail
    server because gmail's tend to alter the from address.

    Your web page cannot send an email 'From:' the visitor's email address.
    It has to send emails 'From' an address which you own and using an SMTP
    server associated with that email address.

    If you want to know the visitor's email address, design the form to
    include that as part of the 'body' of the email message the web page
    sends to you (or perhaps as the 'Reply-To:' header of that message).

    <https://ixquick.com/do/search?q=how+to+send+email+from+web+form>

    Checking whether or not the visitor has given a real email address, is a separate matter.

    --
    -- ^^^^^^^^^^
    -- Whiskers
    -- ~~~~~~~~~~

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