KY MOFFET wrote to ALL <=-
https://xpq4.sourceforge.io/iscreenshots.html
Looks like Windows, eh?
It's not. It's q4os linux with the Trinity desktop, morphed into
every sort of pseudo-Windows.
https://q4os.org/
...Okay, not Win3.1, but that could be done too...
Hi Ky!
KY MOFFET wrote to ALL <=-KM> https://xpq4.sourceforge.io/iscreenshots.html
KM> Looks like Windows, eh?
KM> It's not. It's q4os linux with the Trinity desktop, morphed into
KM> every sort of pseudo-Windows.
KM> https://q4os.org/
If the desktop displays are copyrighted, trademarked, or under whatever protection I think there might be a cease and desist in the near future!
KM> ...Okay, not Win3.1, but that could be done too...
Umm, what about WFWG??!!
Personally I'm not so sure on Desktop images: with my usage I generally
have them covered with multiple windows, though I do use them as a
visual indentifier.
KM> https://xpq4.sourceforge.io/iscreenshots.html
KM> Looks like Windows, eh?
KM> It's not. It's q4os linux with the Trinity desktop, morphed into
KM> every sort of pseudo-Windows.
KM> https://q4os.org/
If the desktop displays are copyrighted, trademarked, or under whatever protection I think there might be a cease and desist in the near future!
Nope, you can't protect the look of a desktop. I vaguely recall
that was settled when ...um, Lotus? threw a legal fit because
some other company used an interface functionally identical to
Lotus 1-2-3. Basically you can recreate anything like that, much
as you can arrange the alphabet until you achieve the phone book
-- so long as you don't copy the original itself.
Personally I'm not so sure on Desktop images: with my usage I generally
have them covered with multiple windows, though I do use them as a
visual indentifier.
I want it restful to the eye, which usually means not too ugly. I
like how Openbox names the virtual desktops as Air, Earth, Fire,
and Water, so I stole that, and keep meaning to find each its own appropriate wallpaper.
Hi Ky!
OK, probably also explains why some grocery store house/generic brands
look so close to the national brands they're emulating. Did know
numbers couldn't be patented/trademarked/something: "Pentium" came about because '586' was deemed not able to be protected.
KM> I want it restful to the eye, which usually means not too ugly. I
KM> like how Openbox names the virtual desktops as Air, Earth, Fire,
KM> and Water, so I stole that, and keep meaning to find each its own
KM> appropriate wallpaper.
Plus you need to find the appropriate doo-wop music segments for the
various notifications. (OK, so that might make more sense knowing
Pandora was playing oldies, so the group Earth Wind and Fire came to
mind. ...Plus that group isn't 'doo-wop'....)
The thing I usually find wrong with desktop pictures is the icons tend
to blend in with the picture. XP's 'Bliss' is suitable bland yet
'contrasty' to the icons; Ubuntu 18.04's Bionic Beaver is also fine; for Ubuntu 16.04 I used a dark-almost-black red Desktop display from NoobsLab.com, from their 'Black Wallpapers'' collection.
OK, probably also explains why some grocery store house/generic brands
look so close to the national brands they're emulating. Did know
numbers couldn't be patented/trademarked/something: "Pentium" came about because '586' was deemed not able to be protected.
Yep. You can copy the general look, you just can't name it the
same.
KM> I want it restful to the eye, which usually means not too ugly. I
KM> like how Openbox names the virtual desktops as Air, Earth, Fire,
KM> and Water, so I stole that, and keep meaning to find each its own
KM> appropriate wallpaper.
Plus you need to find the appropriate doo-wop music segments for the
Doo-wop??!! where'd THAT come from??
various notifications. (OK, so that might make more sense knowing
Pandora was playing oldies, so the group Earth Wind and Fire came to
mind. ...Plus that group isn't 'doo-wop'....)
<runs away screaming>
I had some funny system sounds on my Win95 setup... "No No No yer
doin' it all wrong!" for errors, "Where's the Kaboom?" for...
forget what I had that set for... and breaking glass for shutdown
(that one came with WordPerfect 6 for DOS!)
The thing I usually find wrong with desktop pictures is the icons tend
to blend in with the picture. XP's 'Bliss' is suitable bland yet
Yeah, especially with today's flat featureless default icons. For wallpaper, I don't want too bright but not utterly boring either.
I've filched some nice shots off the MT.gov site, and a couple
from APOD. KDE Themes Store has some good ones, tho they're
brighter on my screen than in the store.
Unfortunately Oxygen is now deprecated so there went some of the
last colorful, easy-to-ID icons.
'contrasty' to the icons; Ubuntu 18.04's Bionic Beaver is also fine; for Ubuntu 16.04 I used a dark-almost-black red Desktop display from NoobsLab.com, from their 'Black Wallpapers'' collection.
<goes off, finds images> Some nice stuff. Wish the star one
didn't have the white thing so bright in the middle, tho... hard
on the eyes and the monitor.
Hi Ky!
You're practicing your Grunge genre?! (There is probably a better music style to match, I just don't know what it is.)
> The thing I usually find wrong with desktop pictures is the icons tend
> to blend in with the picture. XP's 'Bliss' is suitable bland yet
KM> Yeah, especially with today's flat featureless default icons. For
KM> wallpaper, I don't want too bright but not utterly boring either.
KM> I've filched some nice shots off the MT.gov site, and a couple
KM> from APOD. KDE Themes Store has some good ones, tho they're
KM> brighter on my screen than in the store.
Probably has something to do with you educating them. ...Oh, a
different meaning of 'brighter'! <g> With Ubuntu 16.04 I used a
dark-dark red and black pattern on the desktop computer, my laptop, and something else -- all three displayed with differing brigtnesses /
contrasts. I'd assume partially simply due to differences in the
brightness and contrast settings, but there was something more.
KM> Unfortunately Oxygen is now deprecated so there went some of the
KM> last colorful, easy-to-ID icons.
I presume you tried to copy them over to a new system? May have to
convert the format (VLC can convert many video formats, haven't tried
'single frame' formats).
> 'contrasty' to the icons; Ubuntu 18.04's Bionic Beaver is also fine; for
> Ubuntu 16.04 I used a dark-almost-black red Desktop display from
> NoobsLab.com, from their 'Black Wallpapers'' collection.
KM> <goes off, finds images> Some nice stuff. Wish the star one
KM> didn't have the white thing so bright in the middle, tho... hard
KM> on the eyes and the monitor.
Yes: some were "quite nice except for".
I haven't figured out where linux keeps its icons, let alone how to manipulate 'em... but I get the impression the main icon file is
monolithic, and I've heard contains over 6,000 icons. And I can tell you
from experience, if you use a theme that's deprecated, you'll have blank spaces where you expected to see an icon. Fortunately the one I ended up using is only missing one icon, for a fairly new utility. I can browse
files and change icons for the desktop or taskbar, but hell if I can
figure out how to do that for system tray... those seem to use the
monolithic icon doohickey.
> The thing I usually find wrong with desktop pictures is the icons tend
> to blend in with the picture. XP's 'Bliss' is suitable bland yet
KM> Yeah, especially with today's flat featureless default icons. For
KM> wallpaper, I don't want too bright but not utterly boring either.
KM> I've filched some nice shots off the MT.gov site, and a couple
KM> from APOD. KDE Themes Store has some good ones, tho they're
KM> brighter on my screen than in the store.
Probably has something to do with you educating them. ...Oh, a
different meaning of 'brighter'! <g> With Ubuntu 16.04 I used a
Some of 'em are definitely dim. <g>
dark-dark red and black pattern on the desktop computer, my laptop, and something else -- all three displayed with differing brigtnesses / contrasts. I'd assume partially simply due to differences in the
brightness and contrast settings, but there was something more.
Could be the monitor profile used by the creator. Useful to that
person, but won't look right to anyone else.
KM> Unfortunately Oxygen is now deprecated so there went some of the
KM> last colorful, easy-to-ID icons.
I presume you tried to copy them over to a new system? May have to
convert the format (VLC can convert many video formats, haven't tried 'single frame' formats).
I haven't figured out where linux keeps its icons, let alone how
to manipulate 'em... but I get the impression the main icon file
is monolithic, and I've heard contains over 6,000 icons. And I
can tell you from experience, if you use a theme that's
deprecated, you'll have blank spaces where you expected to see an
icon. Fortunately the one I ended up using is only missing one
icon, for a fairly new utility. I can browse files and change
icons for the desktop or taskbar, but hell if I can figure out
how to do that for system tray... those seem to use the
monolithic icon doohickey.
I loathe the flat pale 'modern' icons; I want them to have color
and texture.
> 'contrasty' to the icons; Ubuntu 18.04's Bionic Beaver is also fine; for
> Ubuntu 16.04 I used a dark-almost-black red Desktop display from
> NoobsLab.com, from their 'Black Wallpapers'' collection.
KM> <goes off, finds images> Some nice stuff. Wish the star one
KM> didn't have the white thing so bright in the middle, tho... hard
KM> on the eyes and the monitor.
Yes: some were "quite nice except for".
THE PROBLEM!!
KM> Unfortunately Oxygen is now deprecated so there went some of the
KM> last colorful, easy-to-ID icons.
I presume you tried to copy them over to a new system? May have to
convert the format (VLC can convert many video formats, haven't tried 'single frame' formats).
I haven't figured out where linux keeps its icons, let alone how
to manipulate 'em... but I get the impression the main icon file
is monolithic, and I've heard contains over 6,000 icons. And I
can tell you from experience, if you use a theme that's
deprecated, you'll have blank spaces where you expected to see an
icon. Fortunately the one I ended up using is only missing one
icon, for a fairly new utility. I can browse files and change
icons for the desktop or taskbar, but hell if I can figure out
how to do that for system tray... those seem to use the
monolithic icon doohickey.
Well I'll admit to never having tried to change an icon in Linux. The
answer is probably buried somewhere in the Google Hits;
I haven't figured out where linux keeps its icons, let alone how toI think the difficulty to have the icons show depends on which windows manager you are using. I use IceWM, which is minimalist. I have to tell
manipulate 'em... but I get the impression the main icon file is
monolithic, and I've heard contains over 6,000 icons. And I can tell you
it where to find the icon if I want one to show up. There are no icons at all on the desktop. I have to click the IceWM button on the status bar to pick programs.
Gnome, and other "prettier" windows managers seem to know how to pick the icons up without user intervention.
Hi Ky!
KM> Could be the monitor profile used by the creator. Useful to that
KM> person, but won't look right to anyone else.
That's a possibility. I have noticed when my monitor goes into Night
Mode I can see the reds a lot better - some almost too much.
Well I'll admit to never having tried to change an icon in Linux. The
answer is probably buried somewhere in the Google Hits; the only problem
I've had with icons is when the Virtual XP machine is on the Task Bar
icon isn't always presented: you white/gray-edged box with a slashed red circle inside. And then suddenly the correct icon is there - seems to appears when it feels like it.
KM> I loathe the flat pale 'modern' icons; I want them to have color
KM> and texture.
Y'want artwork or a programme that works?! Do agree with you: I don't
know how an icon or any other graphic is created but a litle bit of work
to the details usually implies or at least give a better feeling of the
user.
> Yes: some were "quite nice except for".
KM> THE PROBLEM!!
Only put dark icons on the bright white thing! Problem solved!
..Except now the icon I use the most is in the middle of the screen,
covered up by what I'm working on!
.. Bad Day: Your pet rock snaps at you.
Hi Ky!
Kurious Kitty work up and started purring aorund...
Well I'll admit to never having tried to change an icon in Linux. The
answer is probably buried somewhere in the Google Hits;
That was the wake up! I'll presume you've seen these but here goes
anyway; the last one is probably closer to what you need"
Icon Storage Locations
The .desktop link files are stored in /usr/share/applications for
software installed for all users, and $HOME/.local/share/applications
for things you have installed only for yourself.
The actual icon (image) files are a bit more scattered (since a .desktop
file can specify their absolute path), but /usr/share/pixmaps and /usr/share/icons contain a good fraction of them. (icons at
$prefix/share/icons/ with required fall-back version in hicolor theme
can be loaded without the full path, thus such as Icon=video-display
where $prefix can be /usr, /usr/local or ~/.local; See specification
at freedesktop.org: Icon Theme Specification )
How do I install icons on Ubuntu?
To install an icon theme, you must instead create a Æ’?o. iconsÆ’?? folder
in your main home folder, and then place the theme file in there. In
other words, Application themes (GTK themes) go in . themes, while icon themes go in .Jul 5, 2018
KM> Could be the monitor profile used by the creator. Useful to that
KM> person, but won't look right to anyone else.
That's a possibility. I have noticed when my monitor goes into Night
Mode I can see the reds a lot better - some almost too much.
Woah... whereas with whatever one is in PCLOS nowadays, I can
barely see the difference. Turned it off.
Well I'll admit to never having tried to change an icon in Linux. The answer is probably buried somewhere in the Google Hits; the only problem I've had with icons is when the Virtual XP machine is on the Task Bar
icon isn't always presented: you white/gray-edged box with a slashed red circle inside. And then suddenly the correct icon is there - seems to appears when it feels like it.
Is that with Gnome? In that case, no idea and I will now run away screaming. <g>
KM> I loathe the flat pale 'modern' icons; I want them to have color
KM> and texture.
Y'want artwork or a programme that works?! Do agree with you: I don't
know how an icon or any other graphic is created but a litle bit of work
to the details usually implies or at least give a better feeling of the user.
I've noticed that how well something works is more or less
inversely proportional to how "modern" the look is. :( "Modern"
flat icons don't require anywhere near the meticulous design,
since they don't have to look 3D and such. Seems to go along with
general lack of polish.
> Yes: some were "quite nice except for".
KM> THE PROBLEM!!
Only put dark icons on the bright white thing! Problem solved!
..Except now the icon I use the most is in the middle of the screen,
covered up by what I'm working on!
Um.. you could move it... wait, Ubuntu. You can't move it. :P
.. Bad Day: Your pet rock snaps at you.
Dropped it on my foot. <g>
Kurious Kitty work up and started purring aorund...
<goes outside, trips on 3 week old kitten>
Kitten has no idea who its mom is, and neither do I...
Well I'll admit to never having tried to change an icon in Linux. TheThat was the wake up! I'll presume you've seen these but here goes
answer is probably buried somewhere in the Google Hits;
anyway; the last one is probably closer to what you need"
THIS WAS THE ONE I NEEDED! <g>
Icon Storage Locations
The .desktop link files are stored in /usr/share/applications for
software installed for all users, and $HOME/.local/share/applications
for things you have installed only for yourself.
The actual icon (image) files are a bit more scattered (since a .desktop file can specify their absolute path), but /usr/share/pixmaps and /usr/share/icons contain a good fraction of them. (icons at
$prefix/share/icons/ with required fall-back version in hicolor theme
can be loaded without the full path, thus such as Icon=video-display
where $prefix can be /usr, /usr/local or ~/.local; See specification
at freedesktop.org: Icon Theme Specification )
AH!! Thank you!!!!! Those places are full of little .png files,
and subdirs full of little .png files -- must be at least some of
'em!
Now, does anyone know where the cursors are kept? Due to some
weird bug in our incarnation of KDE, it only respects Polar,
which is too ugly for words. But if I can edit Polar to be a less disgusting color (than plain white) then all will be well.
How do I install icons on Ubuntu?
To install an icon theme, you must instead create a Æ’?o. iconsÆ’?? folder in your main home folder, and then place the theme file in there. In
other words, Application themes (GTK themes) go in . themes, while icon themes go in .Jul 5, 2018
How to install icons on KDE:
Right click on the desktop, Configure, Icons, "Get more icons"
and soon you're presented with the current catalog (of thousands)
of icon themes, which you can browse and install on the spot.
Why is Ubuntu so difficult? <g>
Hi Ky!
> circle inside. And then suddenly the correct icon is there - seems to
> appears when it feels like it.
KM> Is that with Gnome? In that case, no idea and I will now run away
KM> screaming. <g>
Ky! Ky!! Come back! Maybe the system is just giving its opinion of
XP as that's the only icon that way!
KM> I've noticed that how well something works is more or less
KM> inversely proportional to how "modern" the look is. :( "Modern"
KM> flat icons don't require anywhere near the meticulous design,
KM> since they don't have to look 3D and such. Seems to go along with
KM> general lack of polish.
It would tend to imply an unfinished-ness. It's sort like when I buy a
car I sort of gauge the quality on how good the radio is: figure the manufacturer isn't going to put a cheap radio in a decent car, nor a expensive radio in a wimpy one. And yes, a lot more to the decision
than that, plus have it checked by someone who knows the dipstick isn't referring to me!
But yes, stick-drawn icons and other graphics tend to imply either a low-quality product is attached or is in the early phases of
development.
I can move the Desktop icons, and yes, they do stay. Hmmm: could put
the camera utility over Bionic Beaver's eye! ...I spy, with my little eye.... <g>
> .. Bad Day: Your pet rock snaps at you.
KM> Dropped it on my foot. <g>
You had an Attack Pet Rock!
Hi Ky!
> Kurious Kitty work up and started purring aorund...
KM> <goes outside, trips on 3 week old kitten>
KM> Kitten has no idea who its mom is, and neither do I...
Usually it's no idea who the father is!
KM> AH!! Thank you!!!!! Those places are full of little .png files,
KM> and subdirs full of little .png files -- must be at least some of
KM> 'em!
Seems to be most -- I just did a quick look -- the 8x8's are way too
small to visually browse -- think was the 256x256's are easier on the
eyes!
Oh, while I think of it, the Desktop background picture is a little
sneaky: if it's a PNG it's in one subdir and if a JPG another. Putting
the wrong filetype in the directory won't work (won't display).
KM> Now, does anyone know where the cursors are kept? Due to some
KM> weird bug in our incarnation of KDE, it only respects Polar,
KM> which is too ugly for words. But if I can edit Polar to be a less
KM> disgusting color (than plain white) then all will be well.
Cursors are displayed when one drops their Pet Rock on their foot!
Where are the mouse cursors located?
They are located in folders in /usr/share/icons, named according to the theme, irrespective of the desktop environment:
$ ls -d /usr/share/icons/*/cursors
/usr/share/icons/Adwaita/cursors
/usr/share/icons/DMZ-Black/cursors
/usr/share/icons/DMZ-White/cursors
/usr/share/icons/handhelds/cursors
/usr/share/icons/redglass/cursors
/usr/share/icons/whiteglass/cursors
This post https://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-New-Cursor-Themes-in-Ubun tu-466821.shtml might give you qguiandace on how to create your own,
etc. May or may not be current as from 2014.
KM> How to install icons on KDE:
KM> Right click on the desktop, Configure, Icons, "Get more icons"
KM> and soon you're presented with the current catalog (of thousands)
KM> of icon themes, which you can browse and install on the spot.
KM> Why is Ubuntu so difficult? <g>
We're happy with the icons they gave us because the selected the best
ones already? <g>
> circle inside. And then suddenly the correct icon is there - seems to
> appears when it feels like it.
KM> Is that with Gnome? In that case, no idea and I will now run away
KM> screaming. <g>
Ky! Ky!! Come back! Maybe the system is just giving its opinion of
XP as that's the only icon that way!
Hmmph. Gnome makes Win10 look good...
great for high resolution GUI stuff but lousy at displaying videos.
KM> I've noticed that how well something works is more or less
KM> inversely proportional to how "modern" the look is. :( "Modern"
KM> flat icons don't require anywhere near the meticulous design,
KM> since they don't have to look 3D and such. Seems to go along with
KM> general lack of polish.
It would tend to imply an unfinished-ness. It's sort like when I buy a
Yup.
car I sort of gauge the quality on how good the radio is: figure the manufacturer isn't going to put a cheap radio in a decent car, nor a expensive radio in a wimpy one. And yes, a lot more to the decision
Oh, they're wise to that... in the past they DID put a fancy
radio in a cheap car, to jack up the price!
than that, plus have it checked by someone who knows the dipstick isn't referring to me!
It's not? <g>
But yes, stick-drawn icons and other graphics tend to imply either a low-quality product is attached or is in the early phases of
development.
Actually it's worse... that pared down look goes along with "You
don't need this [function you've relied on since forever]. We've
removed it."
I can move the Desktop icons, and yes, they do stay. Hmmm: could put
the camera utility over Bionic Beaver's eye! ...I spy, with my little eye.... <g>
Haha ... yeah, new way to tape off your webcam :D
> .. Bad Day: Your pet rock snaps at you.
KM> Dropped it on my foot. <g>
You had an Attack Pet Rock!
Not any more; now I have gravel. <g>
KM> AH!! Thank you!!!!! Those places are full of little .png files,
KM> and subdirs full of little .png files -- must be at least some of
KM> 'em!
Seems to be most -- I just did a quick look -- the 8x8's are way too
small to visually browse -- think was the 256x256's are easier on the
eyes!
You need little teeny eyes to see the little teeny icons. <g>
Oh, while I think of it, the Desktop background picture is a little
sneaky: if it's a PNG it's in one subdir and if a JPG another. Putting
the wrong filetype in the directory won't work (won't display).
Why is linux so schizophrenic??
KM> Now, does anyone know where the cursors are kept? Due to some
KM> weird bug in our incarnation of KDE, it only respects Polar,
KM> which is too ugly for words. But if I can edit Polar to be a less
KM> disgusting color (than plain white) then all will be well.
Cursors are displayed when one drops their Pet Rock on their foot!
<gets out hammer>
Where are the mouse cursors located?
They are located in folders in /usr/share/icons, named according to the theme, irrespective of the desktop environment:
I shall seek in that location. <g>
$ ls -d /usr/share/icons/*/cursors
/usr/share/icons/Adwaita/cursors
/usr/share/icons/DMZ-Black/cursors
/usr/share/icons/DMZ-White/cursors
/usr/share/icons/handhelds/cursors
/usr/share/icons/redglass/cursors
/usr/share/icons/whiteglass/cursors
We're presently stuck with the loathesome Polar, but I'm
wondering if I just moved things around and renamed... well, I'll
try it on a new install, since with PCLOS that takes all of five
minutes.
KM> How to install icons on KDE:
KM> Right click on the desktop, Configure, Icons, "Get more icons"
KM> and soon you're presented with the current catalog (of thousands)
KM> of icon themes, which you can browse and install on the spot.
KM> Why is Ubuntu so difficult? <g>
We're happy with the icons they gave us because the selected the best
ones already? <g>
Oh sure, the ones no one but the devs liked! <g>
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