• HamData Callsign Updates

    From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to All on Mon Apr 25 14:29:02 2022
    Last week, I had posted a message that the Hamdata.com website was no
    longer accessible, due to non-secure SSL format and data. It won't work
    with any of the web browsers on my computers, but I discovered I had a
    link to it on my smartphone, and the data still works there.

    So, sometime on Tuesday and Friday of each week, I will get this data
    from the smartphone, and post a message out, regarding the latest ham
    radio callsigns for the United States and its territories.

    I had originally bookmarked the link on my smartphone to tell those
    at a license exam session the latest issued callsign in the region, or
    to look up a callsign to see if it was possibly available as a vanity
    callsign.

    As noted in another message, individuals must now pay $35 to the FCC,
    for a new or renewed amateur radio license, or for a vanity callsign
    change requests. There is no charge for a sequential callsign change
    request, a change in name, email or mailing adddress, or club trustee.
    For more info, go to https://www.arrl.org/fcc-application-fee

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Tue Apr 26 07:06:00 2022

    Hi Daryl!

    Last week, I had posted a message that the Hamdata.com website
    was no longer accessible, due to non-secure SSL format and data.
    It won't work with any of the web browsers on my computers, but I

    Try manually entering the site as https://hamdata.com -- your old lookup
    might not have the 's'.


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Thu Apr 28 10:02:00 2022
    Barry,

    Try manually entering the site as https://hamdata.com -- your old
    lookup might not have the 's'.

    It works on the smartphone, and that's fine with me.

    If I touch my phone in right places a pizza shows up at my front door!

    A phone fondler, eh?? Better turn the vibrate mode on, before you put it
    in your pants. <g,d,r>

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Sat Apr 30 06:49:00 2022

    Hi Daryl!

    Try manually entering the site as https://hamdata.com -- your old
    lookup might not have the 's'.
    It works on the smartphone, and that's fine with me.

    OK, as long as it works for you and you don't have to manually
    trascribe the information!


    If I touch my phone in right places a pizza shows up at my front door!
    A phone fondler, eh?? Better turn the vibrate mode on, before
    you put it in your pants. <g,d,r>

    I'm supposed to wear pants?!


    ... I have a rock garden. Last week, 3 of them died.

    Must have been a rave getting out of hand. My heavy metal rock garden
    is 'CCL': Chromium, Cadmium, and Lead. Arsenic Mercury is the lead
    singer. <g>



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Thu May 5 22:02:00 2022
    Barry,

    OK, as long as it works for you and you don't have to manually
    trascribe the information!

    I have a batchfile set up, but I manually change the data. However, since
    the FCC implemented a $35 fee for a new or renewed amateur radio license, or
    a vanity callsign request, in the US and its territories...the Universal Licensing System (ULS) has been glitched, where it's NOT processing these items...even if the individuals have paid the $35 fee. The FCC isn't sure
    how long it'll be until it's fixed. But, these folks wanting to get on the
    air, or renew their license, are screwed until things are fixed.

    Now, upgrades to the license class...or a change in the name, email or mailing address, or a sequential callsign change request (which have no
    fee) are being processed.

    If I touch my phone in right places a pizza shows up at my front door!
    A phone fondler, eh?? Better turn the vibrate mode on, before
    you put it in your pants. <g,d,r>

    I'm supposed to wear pants?!

    Well, if you want to get kinky, and tie it to your anatomy. :P

    ... I have a rock garden. Last week, 3 of them died.

    Must have been a rave getting out of hand. My heavy metal rock garden
    is 'CCL': Chromium, Cadmium, and Lead. Arsenic Mercury is the lead singer. <g>

    ... A man played the organ in his garden to get organically grown food.

    Better than playing his organ. :P

    Weather has kept me off the BBS for several days...so I've been
    having withdrawl.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Fri May 6 06:49:00 2022

    Hi Daryl!

    OK, as long as it works for you and you don't have to manually
    trascribe the information!
    I have a batchfile set up, but I manually change the data.
    However, since the FCC implemented a $35 fee for a new or renewed
    amateur radio license, or a vanity callsign request, in the US
    and its territories...the Universal Licensing System (ULS) has
    been glitched, where it's NOT processing these items...even if
    the individuals have paid the $35 fee. The FCC isn't sure how
    long it'll be until it's fixed. But, these folks wanting to get
    on the air, or renew their license, are screwed until things are
    fixed.

    Sounds like they need to use a portion of those $35 fees to hire someone
    able to fix the problem.



    If I touch my phone in right places a pizza shows up at my front door!
    A phone fondler, eh?? Better turn the vibrate mode on, before
    you put it in your pants. <g,d,r>
    I'm supposed to wear pants?!

    You're not Scottish are you?



    ... A man played the organ in his garden to get organically grown food.
    Better than playing his organ. :P

    Better than just fiddling around!


    Weather has kept me off the BBS for several days...so I've
    been having withdrawl.

    You said 'withdrawl' after the previous paragraph?!



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Tue May 10 08:09:00 2022
    Barry,

    Sounds like they need to use a portion of those $35 fees to hire
    someone able to fix the problem.

    I saw a note last night, where the glitch has apparently been fixed.

    I'm supposed to wear pants?!

    You're not Scottish are you?

    My grandparents were from Germany.

    Or as the late Red Skelton noted, "When I was growing up, nothing in a
    skirt was safe...nothing. That was until that day that Scotsman about beat
    me to death". <G>

    ... A man played the organ in his garden to get organically grown food.
    Better than playing his organ. :P

    Better than just fiddling around!

    Yeah, that too.

    Weather has kept me off the BBS for several days...so I've
    been having withdrawl.

    You said 'withdrawl' after the previous paragraph?!

    Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.

    Now, what were we talking about??

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Wed May 11 06:53:00 2022

    Hi Daryl!

    Sounds like they need to use a portion of those $35 fees to hire
    someone able to fix the problem.
    I saw a note last night, where the glitch has apparently been
    fixed.

    Yea! (Now for you to test!)


    I'm supposed to wear pants?!
    You're not Scottish are you?
    My grandparents were from Germany.

    I won't hold that against you: my Mother was born and raised in Vienna
    and her parants were Austrian and Hungarian.


    Or as the late Red Skelton noted, "When I was growing up,
    nothing in a skirt was safe...nothing. That was until that day
    that Scotsman about beat me to death". <G>

    The beard didn't tip him off?



    Weather has kept me off the BBS for several days...so I've
    been having withdrawl.

    'Opposite' weather up here: yesterday tied the record temperature for
    the date at 93ø. Yesterday they were predicting 91ø as today's high,
    one degree less than the record; this morning's weather segment
    forecating 93ø. Might be a hot summer!



    Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
    Now, what were we talking about??

    The effects of amnesia on absent-minded people.


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    No wonder they do so well in math-related subjects!



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Fri May 13 11:18:00 2022
    Barry,

    I saw a note last night, where the glitch has apparently been
    fixed.

    Yea! (Now for you to test!)

    I noted it when I updated the bulletin on that. As for testing, I've
    already got the highest level of amateur radio license in the US (Extra),
    so I'm the one giving the exams now.

    Or as the late Red Skelton noted, "When I was growing up,
    nothing in a skirt was safe...nothing. That was until that day
    that Scotsman about beat me to death". <G>

    The beard didn't tip him off?

    Or like the one with the girl having the clover under her dress, and
    the guy says to her "Looks like you won first prize". <G>

    'Opposite' weather up here: yesterday tied the record temperature for
    the date at 93ø. Yesterday they were predicting 91ø as today's high,
    one degree less than the record; this morning's weather segment
    forecating 93ø. Might be a hot summer!

    The heat index nearly did me in, in the few minutes I was outside yesterday...breaking down cardboard boxes to fit in the 30 gallon
    trashbags, to better fit in the trash containers. I have to go out
    today to get some mail at the Post Office Box, and refill one of my prescriptions...but them I'm coming back home, as the Lasix is doing
    its job. :P

    Now, what were we talking about??

    The effects of amnesia on absent-minded people.

    I resemble that remark...I think. :P

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    No wonder they do so well in math-related subjects!

    How many fingers does it take to stop a leak in a dike?? :P

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Sun May 15 06:56:00 2022

    Hi Daryl!

    I saw a note last night, where the glitch has apparently been
    fixed.
    Yea! (Now for you to test!)
    I noted it when I updated the bulletin on that. As for testing,
    I've already got the highest level of amateur radio license in
    the US (Extra), so I'm the one giving the exams now.

    Congratulations!


    Or as the late Red Skelton noted, "When I was growing up,
    nothing in a skirt was safe...nothing. That was until that day
    that Scotsman about beat me to death". <G>
    The beard didn't tip him off?
    Or like the one with the girl having the clover under her
    dress, and the guy says to her "Looks like you won first prize". <G>

    Eyeeeeeeeee.....!


    'Opposite' weather up here: yesterday tied the record temperature for
    the date at 93ø. Yesterday they were predicting 91ø as today's high,
    one degree less than the record; this morning's weather segment
    forecating 93ø. Might be a hot summer!
    The heat index nearly did me in, in the few minutes I was
    outside yesterday...breaking down cardboard boxes to fit in the
    30 gallon trashbags, to better fit in the trash containers. I
    have to go out today to get some mail at the Post Office Box, and
    refill one of my prescriptions...but them I'm coming back home,
    as the Lasix is doing its job. :P

    Else the dogs wil be confused by your message at the tree!

    The trash comment confused me a bit: here cardboard is considered paper
    and so goes in with paper and plastic recycling bin. Plastic bags
    aren't used except for extra trash -- there's another container for non- recyclable stuff. (The trash bags also have to have a sticker onn them
    to verify the extra pickup fee paid.)



    Now, what were we talking about??
    The effects of amnesia on absent-minded people.
    I resemble that remark...I think. :P

    What remark?


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    No wonder they do so well in math-related subjects!
    How many fingers does it take to stop a leak in a dike?? :P

    I'm not going there!


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Thu May 19 01:34:00 2022
    Barry,

    I noted it when I updated the bulletin on that. As for testing,
    I've already got the highest level of amateur radio license in
    the US (Extra), so I'm the one giving the exams now.

    Congratulations!

    I've been doing that for the last 15 years...and it has been the
    most enjoyable thing I've done in amateur radio.

    One day, we had a father, a mother, and their two sons, come to
    take their Technician (entry level) exam. All 4 passed, and it was
    a JOY to fill out the CSCE (Certificate Of Successful Completion Of Examination) forms for them...we quipped "they'll be fighting over
    the radio". <G>

    The funniest part, though...was that Dad and his 2 sons had the $15
    for the exam fee, which goes to the VEC (Volunteer Exam Coordinator),
    the liaison between the VE (Volunteer Examiner) Teams locally (one
    that I head up), and the FCC (Federal Communications Commission). But,
    all Mom had was a $100 bill...when she admitted that, the liaison at
    the time (I hold that position now) said "I think you just passed".
    Everyone busted out in raucous laughter. <G> We had several folks
    taking an exam that day, so we were able to make change for her.

    But, there are hard moments as well. Yet, the hardest part is NOT
    trying to get a team of examiners (a minimum of 3 of the proper ham
    radio license class is needed), or a place to test. It's trying to
    convince someone who failed the exam that they are NOT a failure. I
    have had 2 women break down and cry on me.

    I told them "Ladies, there's no disgrace in failing. If it takes
    you a dozen tries or more to pass the exam...even if just barely...
    you have as much right to be on the air as the ham radio operator
    who made a perfect score the first time". Another examiner added
    "The guy or girl who graduates dead last in medical school, is
    STILL...a DOCTOR; but I might not want them doing a prostate
    check or a pelvic exam!!". At that point, one lady crossed her
    legs, and we all busted out laughing. <G>

    It basically has boiled down to a "pass or fail" score. Besides,
    in sports, a win by 1 is as good as a win by 10...and the same for
    a loss. A tie is like "kissing your sister" (according to Coach
    Lou Holtz).

    Else the dogs wil be confused by your message at the tree!

    This is TMI, but the Depends related undergarments don't have a fly
    with them. Years ago, I put a pair of long underwear on backwards,
    and didn't realize it. I thought "Great...they've sewn the fly shut!!".
    Then, when I realized my error, I felt so stupid. :P

    The trash comment confused me a bit: here cardboard is considered paper and so goes in with paper and plastic recycling bin. Plastic bags
    aren't used except for extra trash -- there's another container for
    non- recyclable stuff. (The trash bags also have to have a sticker onn them to verify the extra pickup fee paid.)

    Well, the cardboard folded up is so bulky, that when the trash truck
    with the clamp claws to lift the item tries to empty it, nothing comes
    out.

    Now, what were we talking about??
    The effects of amnesia on absent-minded people.
    I resemble that remark...I think. :P

    What remark?

    I forgot. :P

    ... I'm thinking of reasons to go to Switzerland. The flag is a
    big plus.
    No wonder they do so well in math-related subjects!
    How many fingers does it take to stop a leak in a dike?? :P

    I'm not going there!

    Or like another blooper, noting "you can stop a gas leak with one
    finger". :P

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Fri May 20 07:12:00 2022

    Hi Daryl!

    I've already got the highest level of amateur radio license in
    the US (Extra), so I'm the one giving the exams now.
    I've been doing that for the last 15 years...and it has been
    the most enjoyable thing I've done in amateur radio.

    One day, we had a father, a mother, and their two sons, come to
    take their Technician (entry level) exam. All 4 passed, and it
    was a JOY to fill out the CSCE (Certificate Of Successful
    Completion Of Examination) forms for them...we quipped "they'll
    be fighting over the radio". <G>

    Yes indeed! BTW, do you happen to remember if their calls came up in
    sequence? (WN1ABA, ABB, ABC, ABD)


    The funniest part, though...was that Dad and his 2 sons had the
    $15 for the exam fee, which goes to the VEC (Volunteer Exam
    Coordinator), the liaison between the VE (Volunteer Examiner)
    Teams locally (one that I head up), and the FCC (Federal
    Communications Commission). But, all Mom had was a $100
    bill...when she admitted that, the liaison at the time (I hold
    that position now) said "I think you just passed". Everyone
    busted out in raucous laughter. <G> We had several folks taking
    an exam that day, so we were able to make change for her.

    Was she from Illinois? (That state has had a few 'interesting'
    politicians over the years.)


    But, there are hard moments as well. Yet, the hardest part is
    NOT trying to get a team of examiners (a minimum of 3 of the
    proper ham radio license class is needed), or a place to test.
    It's trying to convince someone who failed the exam that they are
    NOT a failure. I have had 2 women break down and cry on me.

    Yes, and some people know the material, just don't perform well under
    test conditions.


    I told them "Ladies, there's no disgrace in failing. If it
    takes you a dozen tries or more to pass the exam...even if just
    barely... you have as much right to be on the air as the ham
    radio operator who made a perfect score the first time". Another
    examiner added "The guy or girl who graduates dead last in
    medical school, is STILL...a DOCTOR; but I might not want them
    doing a prostate check or a pelvic exam!!". At that point, one
    lady crossed her legs, and we all busted out laughing. <G>

    <chuckle> Yes, and sometimes the person who is academically top of
    their class isn't necessarily the best in real life.



    Else the dogs wil be confused by your message at the tree!
    This is TMI, but the Depends related undergarments don't have a
    fly with them. Years ago, I put a pair of long underwear on
    backwards, and didn't realize it. I thought "Great...they've sewn
    the fly shut!!". Then, when I realized my error, I felt so
    stupid. :P

    But very hand if one has a case of diarrhea!



    The trash comment confused me a bit: here cardboard is considered paper and so goes in with paper and plastic recycling bin. Plastic bags
    aren't used except for extra trash -- there's another container for
    non- recyclable stuff. (The trash bags also have to have a sticker onn them to verify the extra pickup fee paid.)
    Well, the cardboard folded up is so bulky, that when the trash
    truck with the clamp claws to lift the item tries to empty it,
    nothing comes out.

    Two words: 'utility knife'. Cut the cardboard into chunks that easily
    fit -- sometimes the 'destructive' cutting is cathartic!


    Now, what were we talking about??
    The effects of amnesia on absent-minded people.
    I resemble that remark...I think. :P
    What remark?
    I forgot. :P

    You forgot what?



    ... I'm thinking of reasons to go to Switzerland. The flag is a
    big plus.
    No wonder they do so well in math-related subjects!
    How many fingers does it take to stop a leak in a dike?? :P
    I'm not going there!
    Or like another blooper, noting "you can stop a gas leak with
    one finger". :P

    I was watching "The Chase" a week or so ago (_Jeopardy!_ in a game show format) -- question came up something like "if you are near Uranus
    surrounced by a blue-green gas what is it?". ...Not many straight faces!



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Mon May 23 12:32:00 2022
    Barry,

    Yes indeed! BTW, do you happen to remember if their calls came up in sequence? (WN1ABA, ABB, ABC, ABD)

    Yes, they did...but I don't recall what they were...that session was
    several years ago.

    Was she from Illinois? (That state has had a few 'interesting'
    politicians over the years.)

    Interesting doesn't begin to describe it. And, the family was in the
    local area.

    Yes, and some people know the material, just don't perform well under
    test conditions.

    We can visit the home of an examinee with medical issues, to where it's
    just the 3 examiners, and the examinee. We can give them a test without graphics, read the questions to them, and the available answers, and they
    tell us which answers to mark. But, that's the extent of "help" we can
    provide.

    <chuckle> Yes, and sometimes the person who is academically top of
    their class isn't necessarily the best in real life.

    The thing is, all hobbies are dying. The "old guard" is literally dying
    off, and we can't get young people (new blood) into it.

    Speaking of "old guard", longtime Arkansas radio DJ Bob Robbins, passed
    away on Saturday. He had started out with KAAY in Little Rock in 1967,
    when it still had a rock and roll format (it changed owners and the format
    to Gospel/Christian several years ago). Then, he worked at KSSN for over
    30 years, before working at KMJX (The Wolf) since 2013. KMJX was always
    a country-western station. KMJX was originally "Magic 105" with a "hard
    rock" format...but new owners changed the format to classic country.

    Bob also headed up the US Marine Corps Toys For Tots Christmas Deal on
    Toy Hill each year, where folks could donate new toys so these kids would
    get a toy for Christmas.

    But very hand if one has a case of diarrhea!

    The hole wasn't big enough. :P

    Two words: 'utility knife'. Cut the cardboard into chunks that easily fit -- sometimes the 'destructive' cutting is cathartic!

    I will do that the day before they run again.

    I was watching "The Chase" a week or so ago (_Jeopardy!_ in a game show format) -- question came up something like "if you are near Uranus surrounced by a blue-green gas what is it?". ...Not many straight
    faces!

    Sounds like when Archie Bunker asked "Edith, where do you get all this crapola??". <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Tue May 24 07:23:00 2022

    Hi Daryl!

    Yes, and some people know the material, just don't perform well under
    test conditions.
    We can visit the home of an examinee with medical issues, to
    where it's just the 3 examiners, and the examinee. We can give
    them a test without graphics, read the questions to them, and the available answers, and they tell us which answers to mark. But,
    that's the extent of "help" we can provide.

    Right, otherwise you'd be taking the test for them.


    <chuckle> Yes, and sometimes the person who is academically top of
    their class isn't necessarily the best in real life.
    The thing is, all hobbies are dying. The "old guard" is
    literally dying off, and we can't get young people (new blood)
    into it.

    Unfortunately yes, or at least it appears that way. The "kids" seems to
    be more interested in staring at their phones, looking at what other
    people are doing. Will admit that statement is flawed: a lot of kids
    are active in sports and music.


    Speaking of "old guard", longtime Arkansas radio DJ Bob
    Robbins, passed away on Saturday. He had started out with KAAY in
    Little Rock in 1967, when it still had a rock and roll format (it
    changed owners and the format to Gospel/Christian several years
    ago). Then, he worked at KSSN for over 30 years, before working
    at KMJX (The Wolf) since 2013. KMJX was always a country-western
    station. KMJX was originally "Magic 105" with a "hard rock"
    format...but new owners changed the format to classic country.

    Similar format changing around here, though we a bit of a spin in that
    two stations changed frequencies several years back. Local very popular country station was originally assigned to a restricted power frequency
    while the declining in popularity oldies station was on a full power frequency. They eventually got approved to swap frequencies; the
    country station gained additional audience and even more popularity
    while the oldies station continued to wane -- I think the oldies station eventually changed formats.



    Bob also headed up the US Marine Corps Toys For Tots Christmas
    Deal on Toy Hill each year, where folks could donate new toys so
    these kids would get a toy for Christmas.

    Toys For Tots is also a very popular programme locally with yearly
    sponship drives by a local TV station and I think a regional motorcycle
    club. It's kind of funny seeing the burly-bearded-tattoed 'motorcycle
    gang' riding around with teddy bears, dolls and the like strapped to
    their Harleys! :)



    But very handy if one has a case of diarrhea!
    The hole wasn't big enough. :P

    Why am I thinking of the whaling stories? "Thar she blows!!"


    Two words: 'utility knife'. Cut the cardboard into chunks that easily fit -- sometimes the 'destructive' cutting is cathartic!
    I will do that the day before they run again.

    And make sure the blade is sharp so it cuts the cardboard and not slide
    and cuts you.



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Thu May 26 08:23:00 2022
    Barry,

    that's the extent of "help" we can provide.

    Right, otherwise you'd be taking the test for them.

    We looked at the current exams, and WE, as examiners, would have trouble doing the tests without studying. If renewing one's ham radio license also meant re-testing, the hobby would've died out long ago.

    Never mind that there is now a $35 additional fee payable to the FCC for
    a new or renewed amateur radio license, or a vanity callsign change request (in addition to the fee that the VE Team may charge). That $35 fee is
    payable to the FCC within 10 days of the email they send...or the new or renewed license grant is canceled, or the vanity callsign request is denied. There is no fee for a license upgrade from the current license to a higher license class, a sequential callsign change request, or an administrative change (change in name, email, mailing address, phone number, or a club or repeater trustee). Many hams have complained about that...but in some parts
    of the world, the license fee for the term of the license is in the hundreds
    of dollars...so $35 for a 10 year term is a bargain. And, I've seen these
    same hams lay down 1 or more $100 bills at a big hamfest to buy a brick of
    a large number of prize tickets, and they don't bat an eye. Of course, if
    you win a high dollar radio, you more than made your money back, especially
    if you can find someone willing to buy it off of you.

    When they still had the Morse Code requirement (it was reduced 22 years
    ago, then eliminated entirely 15 years ago), some individuals studied the Morse Code ONLY to pass the Morse Code exam...and never touched a keyer
    or used it again. There were originally 3 tests...5 WPM for Novice or Technician, 13 WPM for General or Advanced, and 20 WPM for Amateur Extra.
    The 13 and 20 WPM exams were dropped in April, 2000...and the 5 WPM exam
    was dropped in late February, 2007. But since they dropped the Morse Code, ironically, it caused a surge in folks wanting to learn and use it...as
    now they were learning it because they WANTED to, and NOT because they HAD
    to.

    The funniest stories I recall on the Morse Code in the over 30 years I
    have been a licensed amateur radio operator, are as follows (I may have
    told these before, but they're still funny).

    1) I asked a local ham radio operator (who passed away several years ago)
    what his secret was to learning Morse Code. He replied "I learned all the
    dirty words first". <G> I laughed, and said "Well, you can't say them on
    the air...but if it helps, more power to you".

    2) A ham radio club in Dallas was using the VoIP mode of Echolink (VoIP
    uses traditional RF and internet for communication) to teach a Morse Code class. The first characters they taught formed the S expletive...I thought "I'll be damned!!" <G>. But, when you looked at the dot and dash pattern
    of the Morse Code characters, it made perfect sense.

    3) Several guys were at a restaurant table in Annapolis, Maryland, using
    Morse Code to tell dirty jokes to each other at the table. This drop dead, gorgeous, beautiful, curvaceous (<WHISTLE!><G>) female walked up to them,
    and sternly admonished the group "You boys need to watch your language. I
    teach CW (Morse Code) at the Naval Academy across the street!!", and walked out. They were as red as tomatoes!!

    While the next 2 weren't with Morse Code, they're with restaurants, and
    are still funny.

    The first one dealt with this guy who thought he was a stud muffin, and God's Gift to women. So, he's with his buddies at this table, and this waitress (another drop dead, gorgeous, beautiful, curvaceous (<WHISTLE!><G>) female) walked up to the table, and he said to her "I'd sure like to get
    into your pants" (for sex). Without missing a beat, she replied "Why?? Did
    you [poop] in yours??", and walked off. He was as red as a tomato...and I
    guess now he's more muffin than stud!! <G>

    The second one had these 2 guys at a truck stop, and another good looking waitress (just like the ones noted before <G>), walked up to them, and
    asked for their order. One said he wanted a cheeseburger, and the other
    said he wanted "a quickie". The waitress, obviously annoyed, said "Sir,
    this may be a truck stop, but I will not tolerate that kind of language
    here. I'll be back in a few minutes, and we'll try again".

    So, a few minutes elapses, and she returns, again asking for their order.
    The first guy again says he wants a cheeseburger, and the second guy says
    he wants "a quickie". Enraged, the waitress slapped the guy so hard that
    it knocked him out of the booth on to the floor, and she stormed away.
    The guy in the next table over said "Uh...that's pronounced 'quiche'". <G>

    The thing is, all hobbies are dying. The "old guard" is
    literally dying off, and we can't get young people (new blood)
    into it.

    Unfortunately yes, or at least it appears that way. The "kids" seem
    to be more interested in staring at their phones, looking at what other people are doing. Will admit that statement is flawed: a lot of kids
    are active in sports and music.

    In looking through the file areas last night, I saw a meme where these
    2 crows noted this scarecrow in the field, and one wondered if it was a
    human there instead. The other replied "It's fake...he doesn't have a
    cellphone in his hand up to his ear". <G>

    Similar format changing around here, though we a bit of a spin in that
    two stations changed frequencies several years back. Local very
    popular country station was originally assigned to a restricted power frequency while the declining in popularity oldies station was on a
    full power frequency. They eventually got approved to swap
    frequencies; the country station gained additional audience and even
    more popularity while the oldies station continued to wane -- I think
    the oldies station eventually changed formats.

    There used to be an oldies station here years ago, KAUL (with AU the
    chemical element symbol for "gold"), meaning they had the music of the
    40s, 50s, and 60s, including big band and swing. Unfortunately, the country-western, rock, and talk radio stations did much better, and
    the station eventually went off the air for lack of listeners and
    advertisers.

    Toys For Tots is also a very popular programme locally with yearly sponship drives by a local TV station and I think a regional motorcycle club. It's kind of funny seeing the burly-bearded-tattoed 'motorcycle gang' riding around with teddy bears, dolls and the like strapped to
    their Harleys! :)

    This is true. I don't know how they're going to handle it this year, but
    I'm sure there'll be a "Bob Robbins Memorial" somewhere in the title. Folks
    are already asking where to drop off toys for it in his honor and memory.

    Why am I thinking of the whaling stories? "Thar she blows!!"

    There you go, blubbering again. <G>

    And make sure the blade is sharp so it cuts the cardboard and not slide and cuts you.

    With being on Eliquis, I'd bleed like a stuck pig. But, at least now, they don't have difficulty getting blood out of me at a blood draw. They just have to find a vein that won't roll over or collapse on itself.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Fri May 27 07:41:00 2022

    Hi Daryl!


    that's the extent of "help" we can provide.
    Right, otherwise you'd be taking the test for them.
    We looked at the current exams, and WE, as examiners, would
    have trouble doing the tests without studying. If renewing one's
    ham radio license also meant re-testing, the hobby would've died
    out long ago.

    That's not good. I'd expect to take a test some review studying but not
    a full-blown colege-graduation type of test. It seems like they are
    testing on things that don't nned to know the details but do need the information. I'd use my 'Black Box' knowledge: I know there are
    various types of coax cable, Hams use the 52ê, TV reception uses 72ê,
    there are sub-types within those. Probably good to know those basics
    but I wouldn't have to know the detail of the thickness of the
    insulation core is 2.1 mm.


    Never mind that there is now a $35 additional fee payable to
    the FCC for a new or renewed amateur radio license, or a vanity
    callsign change request (in addition to the fee that the VE Team
    may charge). That $35 fee is payable to the FCC within 10 days of
    the email they send...or the new or renewed license grant is
    canceled, or the vanity callsign request is denied.

    I can see a reasonable fee to cover the necessary paperwork; otherwise
    it's nickle-and-diming which is wrong.


    There is no
    fee for a license upgrade from the current license to a higher
    license class, a sequential callsign change request, or an
    administrative change (change in name, email, mailing address,
    phone number, or a club or repeater trustee). Many hams have
    complained about that...but in some parts of the world, the
    license fee for the term of the license is in the hundreds of
    dollars...so $35 for a 10 year term is a bargain.

    It is! Breaks down to $3.50 per year! OTOH that hundreds of dollars
    fee charged by other countries is either a really bad exchange rate to
    the U.S. dollar or inflation or bribery to the officials.


    And, I've seen
    these same hams lay down 1 or more $100 bills at a big hamfest to
    buy a brick of a large number of prize tickets, and they don't
    bat an eye. Of course, if you win a high dollar radio, you more
    than made your money back, especially if you can find someone
    willing to buy it off of you.

    Different purchase considerations. I'd spend $100 on a party-size snack
    tray (cheese, crackers, etc.) but I'd not spend the same $100 on a case
    of booze -- the difference is I rarely drink but I do eat! (Probaby not
    the best couter-example but was trying to think of something to match
    your $100 reference.)


    When they still had the Morse Code requirement (it was reduced
    22 years ago, then eliminated entirely 15 years ago), some
    individuals studied the Morse Code ONLY to pass the Morse Code
    exam...and never touched a keyer or used it again. There were
    originally 3 tests...5 WPM for Novice or Technician, 13 WPM for
    General or Advanced, and 20 WPM for Amateur Extra. The 13 and 20
    WPM exams were dropped in April, 2000...and the 5 WPM exam was
    dropped in late February, 2007. But since they dropped the Morse
    Code, ironically, it caused a surge in folks wanting to learn and
    use it...as now they were learning it because they WANTED to, and
    NOT because they HAD to.

    Wanting to learn something is alsways better than having to learn
    something! Wonder if they use Morse code like a 'secret language'? I'm thinking of that semi-joke where kids don't understand the cursive
    writing of their grandparents.


    The funniest stories I recall on the Morse Code in the over 30
    years I have been a licensed amateur radio operator, are as
    follows (I may have told these before, but they're still funny).

    1) I asked a local ham radio operator (who passed away several
    years ago) what his secret was to learning Morse Code. He replied
    "I learned all the dirty words first". <G> I laughed, and said
    "Well, you can't say them on the air...but if it helps, more
    power to you".

    So that's how the 'beep!' got started to cover audio outbursts!


    2) A ham radio club in Dallas was using the VoIP mode of Echolink
    (VoIP uses traditional RF and internet for communication) to
    teach a Morse Code class. The first characters they taught formed
    the S expletive...I thought "I'll be damned!!" <G>. But, when you
    looked at the dot and dash pattern of the Morse Code characters,
    it made perfect sense.

    They could have used 'this' or 'hits'!

    3) Several guys were at a restaurant table in Annapolis,
    Maryland, using Morse Code to tell dirty jokes to each other at
    the table. This drop dead, gorgeous, beautiful, curvaceous
    (<WHISTLE!><G>) female walked up to them, and sternly admonished
    the group "You boys need to watch your language. I teach CW
    (Morse Code) at the Naval Academy across the street!!", and
    walked out. They were as red as tomatoes!!

    The problem with speaking in a non-native language is there are other non-natives!



    The second one had these 2 guys at a truck stop, and another
    good looking waitress (just like the ones noted before <G>),
    walked up to them, and asked for their order. One said he wanted
    a cheeseburger, and the other said he wanted "a quickie". The
    waitress, obviously annoyed, said "Sir, this may be a truck stop,
    but I will not tolerate that kind of language here. I'll be back
    in a few minutes, and we'll try again".
    So, a few minutes elapses, and she returns, again asking for
    their order. The first guy again says he wants a cheeseburger,
    and the second guy says he wants "a quickie". Enraged, the
    waitress slapped the guy so hard that it knocked him out of the
    booth on to the floor, and she stormed away. The guy in the next
    table over said "Uh...that's pronounced 'quiche'". <G>

    If only the poor guy had been told of the correct pronunciation before
    or during the first ordering. But then wouldn't make a decent joke!



    The thing is, all hobbies are dying. The "old guard" is
    literally dying off, and we can't get young people (new blood)
    into it.
    Unfortunately yes, or at least it appears that way. The "kids" seem
    to be more interested in staring at their phones, looking at what other people are doing. Will admit that statement is flawed: a lot of kids
    are active in sports and music.
    In looking through the file areas last night, I saw a meme
    where these 2 crows noted this scarecrow in the field, and one
    wondered if it was a human there instead. The other replied "It's fake...he doesn't have a cellphone in his hand up to his ear". <G>

    I've seen that one also.

    And one can't always assume the kids are listening/watch "junk": for all
    we know the kid would have recorded the class and is reviewing. We used
    to do the same thing: it was called taking notes.


    Similar format changing around here, though we a bit of a spin in that
    two stations changed frequencies several years back. Local very
    popular country station was originally assigned to a restricted power frequency while the declining in popularity oldies station was on a
    full power frequency. They eventually got approved to swap
    frequencies; the country station gained additional audience and even
    more popularity while the oldies station continued to wane -- I think
    the oldies station eventually changed formats.
    There used to be an oldies station here years ago, KAUL (with
    AU the chemical element symbol for "gold"), meaning they had the
    music of the 40s, 50s, and 60s, including big band and swing. Unfortunately, the country-western, rock, and talk radio stations
    did much better, and the station eventually went off the air for
    lack of listeners and advertisers.

    Clever on the element symbol, but wonder how many listeners got it?
    ...I can't talk intelligently about local/regional radio for the past
    few years as I essentially don't listen. Have Pandora playing here in
    the Computer Room. When I was working my commute was 12-15 minutes.
    Local stations playing the type of music I liked just didn't cut it so
    did the 'DX Thing" and found a couple I liked about 50+ miles from here. Actually had made a long wire antenna in the Computer Room to pick up
    one and then they changed formats! :(



    Why am I thinking of the whaling stories? "Thar she blows!!"
    There you go, blubbering again. <G>

    Argh! You krill me!



    And make sure the blade is sharp so it cuts the cardboard and not slide and cuts you.
    With being on Eliquis, I'd bleed like a stuck pig. But, at
    least now, they don't have difficulty getting blood out of me at
    a blood draw. They just have to find a vein that won't roll over
    or collapse on itself.

    Drizzle-drizzle-drizzle! I had a draw several years ago which required multiple tubes: by the last one I was barely getting blood into the
    tube. I don't watch the actual puncture but am sort of fascinated by
    the flow into the vial. On the last I was sort of kidding with the phlebotomist/nurse doing the draw and cheering on the vein to complete
    the draw.


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Sun May 29 19:12:00 2022
    Barry,

    That's not good. I'd expect to take a test some review studying but
    not a full-blown colege-graduation type of test. It seems like they
    are testing on things that don't nned to know the details but do need
    the information. I'd use my 'Black Box' knowledge: I know there are various types of coax cable, Hams use the 52ê, TV reception uses 72ê, there are sub-types within those. Probably good to know those basics
    but I wouldn't have to know the detail of the thickness of the
    insulation core is 2.1 mm.

    Originally, you had to take EVERYTHING again...a 5, 13, and a 20 WPM
    Morse Code test...plus the written exams for Novice, Technician, General, Advanced, and Amateur Extra. Years ago, there was no Question Pools in
    the public domain, and you had to draw things like schematic diagrams, oscillators, and there were no multiple choice questions. Also, you had
    to pass the Morse Code exam first, or you were sent home...and, the FCC
    usually came to the Federal building maybe 3 or 4 times a year at most.

    They have a deal for folks whose license had lapsed (expired more than
    2 years)...in which case, they lose their license, privileges, and callsign. But, they have to take and pass only the 35 question Technician Class exam,
    on rules, regulations, frequencies, propagation, RF safety, and basic electronic theory...no more Morse Code test is needed.

    If they previously had a Novice or Technician license, they are basically starting over, as if they had never taken a ham radio license exam. If they formerly held an Advanced Class license, they still have to take and pass
    the Technician exam, but are DOWNGRADED to General (the FCC stopped issuing Novice and Advanced licenses in 2000). However, they can get the lost 250 kilohertz of spectrum back, and get 250 kilohertz more, by taking and passing the Amateur Extra exam.

    If they previously held a General or Extra Class license, they still have
    to take and pass the Technician exam, and with providing proof of their
    former license, they get a CSCE (Certificate Of Successful Completion Of Examination) for a General or Extra Class license.

    In any case, they will get a brand new callsign. If their old callsign has not been taken by the vanity callsign system, they can apply to get it back.
    As of April 19, 2022...requests for a vanity callsign, or a new or renewed
    ham radio license in the US and its territories, requires a $35 fee to the
    FCC, within 10 days of the exam. There is no fee for a license class upgrade (they already have a license or callsign), or for a change in name, email or mailing address, or a sequential callsign change request.

    While several ham radio operators complained vociferously about that $35
    fee for the 10 year term, I understand that in some countries, the fee for
    the license term is over $500. So to me, $35 is a bargain. Yet, many of
    these folks will lay down a $100 bill or more at a big "hamfest" for a
    "brick" of 250 prize tickets. Of course, if you win a big rig, you more
    than got your money back, especially if you can sell it.

    I can see a reasonable fee to cover the necessary paperwork; otherwise it's nickle-and-diming which is wrong.

    Most all of it is electronic (the FCC doesn't mail out paper copies
    anymore), but you still have to keep a current mailing address on file
    with them. Otherwise, if they send you mail, and it's returned to them,
    your license can be revoked...then operating without a license can cost
    $10,000 every time you key the mic.

    It is! Breaks down to $3.50 per year! OTOH that hundreds of dollars
    fee charged by other countries is either a really bad exchange rate to
    the U.S. dollar or inflation or bribery to the officials.

    It could be both. Plus, you can't get a decent meal for under $4.

    Different purchase considerations. I'd spend $100 on a party-size
    snack tray (cheese, crackers, etc.) but I'd not spend the same $100 on
    a case of booze -- the difference is I rarely drink but I do eat!
    (Probaby not the best couter-example but was trying to think of
    something to match your $100 reference.)

    A moderator in one of the other FIDONet echoes (I got to meet him a
    few years ago, before Covid-19, when he was traveling), said that once
    when he was younger, all these kids going to a party were responsible
    for bringing something. He ended up bringing the drinks (booze <G>), and
    he said "it wasn't long before we were as drunk as monkeys on a lawn". <G>

    Wanting to learn something is alsways better than having to learn something! Wonder if they use Morse code like a 'secret language'?
    I'm thinking of that semi-joke where kids don't understand the cursive writing of their grandparents.

    They were trying to outlaw it in schools. I think of the old Tex Avery cartoon, where this wolf was to be the schoolmaster (the "kids" were all
    dogs (aka Droopy, Jr. <G>). The wolf is going through, seeing what they
    need to study. It went like this:

    Reading....no (throws the book aside). Writing...no (throws the book aside). 'Rithmetic...no (throws the book aside). Fingerpainting, man!! That's what
    we need!! The "kids" are elated. <G>

    So, he has them paint "a confederate flag", but he notes they forgot
    the stars. He is then hit on the head by a bat from one of the kids,
    and the stars to the flag. He growls "There's a damn Yankee in this here crowd". <G>

    So that's how the 'beep!' got started to cover audio outbursts!

    Possibly. Many radio and TV stations would have a 7 second delay,
    instead of being "live". I'm not sure how the filter worked to get
    rid of the expletives.

    Years ago in central Arkansas, the guy playing Bozo The Clown, was
    doing a live show, and the kids were bouncing a ball, and trying to
    bounce it into this barrel. When one boy's ball missed, he said the
    S expletive. When admonished "Now, son...that's a Bozo No-No"...the
    kid retorted "STUFF IT, CLOWNIE!!". That ENDED the live show. :P

    They could have used 'this' or 'hits'!

    That, too.

    The problem with speaking in a non-native language is there are other non-natives!

    And, the natives can get restless. <G>

    If only the poor guy had been told of the correct pronunciation before
    or during the first ordering. But then wouldn't make a decent joke!

    This is true...but I'm not enthused about having it.

    And one can't always assume the kids are listening/watch "junk": for
    all we know the kid would have recorded the class and is reviewing. We used to do the same thing: it was called taking notes.

    When an EMP occurs, everything gets fried...ALL electronics...cellphones, cars, calculators, cash registers, etc. The kids are going to panic!!

    Clever on the element symbol, but wonder how many listeners got it?

    No clue. That station is long gone.

    ...I can't talk intelligently about local/regional radio for the past
    few years as I essentially don't listen. Have Pandora playing here in
    the Computer Room. When I was working my commute was 12-15 minutes.

    So, Pandora has her own box?? <G>


    There you go, blubbering again. <G>

    Argh! You krill me!

    You can't tune a fish. <G> Excuse me...Charlie is at the Starkist door.

    Drizzle-drizzle-drizzle! I had a draw several years ago which required multiple tubes: by the last one I was barely getting blood into the
    tube. I don't watch the actual puncture but am sort of fascinated by
    the flow into the vial. On the last I was sort of kidding with the phlebotomist/nurse doing the draw and cheering on the vein to complete
    the draw.

    I knew of a woman who originally was a phlebotomist...now, she helps with colonoscopies. :P

    ... Sign in Restroom: Toilet Out Of Order. Use Floor Below.

    Well if you insist!

    Clean up in stall 4. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Mon May 30 07:44:00 2022

    Hi Daryl!

    That's not good. I'd expect to take a test some review studying but
    not a full-blown colege-graduation type of test. It seems like they
    are testing on things that don't nned to know the details but do need
    the information. I'd use my 'Black Box' knowledge: I know there are various types of coax cable, Hams use the 52ê, TV reception uses 72ê, there are sub-types within those. Probably good to know those basics
    but I wouldn't have to know the detail of the thickness of the
    insulation core is 2.1 mm.
    Originally, you had to take EVERYTHING again...a 5, 13, and a
    20 WPM Morse Code test...plus the written exams for Novice,
    Technician, General, Advanced, and Amateur Extra. Years ago,
    there was no Question Pools in the public domain, and you had to
    draw things like schematic diagrams, oscillators, and there were
    no multiple choice questions. Also, you had to pass the Morse
    Code exam first, or you were sent home...and, the FCC usually
    came to the Federal building maybe 3 or 4 times a year at most.

    Almost sounds like one of those "back in my day I had to go to school in
    the ice storm ...uphill both ways" but things like that were stricter.
    Not necessarily right or wrong, just the way things were and things
    evolve.


    They have a deal for folks whose license had lapsed (expired
    more than 2 years)...in which case, they lose their license,
    privileges, and callsign. But, they have to take and pass only
    the 35 question Technician Class exam, on rules, regulations,
    frequencies, propagation, RF safety, and basic electronic
    theory...no more Morse Code test is needed.

    Almost seems would be a good idea to have a periodic review for
    everyone. especially RF safety -- thinking general electrical safety
    too. Just because using it doesn't mean using it right. OTOH they'd
    probably never be able to keep up with inspections.


    If they previously had a Novice or Technician license, they are basically starting over, as if they had never taken a ham radio
    license exam. If they formerly held an Advanced Class license,
    they still have to take and pass the Technician exam, but are
    DOWNGRADED to General (the FCC stopped issuing Novice and
    Advanced licenses in 2000). However, they can get the lost 250
    kilohertz of spectrum back, and get 250 kilohertz more, by taking
    and passing the Amateur Extra exam.

    So the moral of the story is don't let the license lapse!



    While several ham radio operators complained vociferously about
    that $35 fee for the 10 year term, I understand that in some
    countries, the fee for the license term is over $500. So to me,
    $35 is a bargain. Yet, many of these folks will lay down a $100
    bill or more at a big "hamfest" for a "brick" of 250 prize
    tickets. Of course, if you win a big rig, you more than got your
    money back, especially if you can sell it.

    Or not spend the money (except for the ticket cost) on purchasing the
    new.


    I can see a reasonable fee to cover the necessary paperwork; otherwise it's nickle-and-diming which is wrong.
    Most all of it is electronic (the FCC doesn't mail out paper
    copies anymore), but you still have to keep a current mailing
    address on file with them. Otherwise, if they send you mail, and
    it's returned to them, your license can be revoked...then
    operating without a license can cost $10,000 every time you key
    the mic.

    That's where the big money is! <g> "All electronic" -- stll have to
    have someone doing data entry. Even if filled the form online (so the applicant is doing the data entry for free) someone had to create the
    software to create the database and send/receive the data. Plus the
    cost of the computers, electricity to run, web connectivity....
    Sounding more and more like a pretty good bargain!



    It is! Breaks down to $3.50 per year! OTOH that hundreds of dollars
    fee charged by other countries is either a really bad exchange rate to
    the U.S. dollar or inflation or bribery to the officials.
    It could be both. Plus, you can't get a decent meal for under
    $4.

    You want fries with that?!


    Different purchase considerations. I'd spend $100 on a party-size
    snack tray (cheese, crackers, etc.) but I'd not spend the same $100 on
    a case of booze -- the difference is I rarely drink but I do eat!
    (Probaby not the best couter-example but was trying to think of
    something to match your $100 reference.)
    A moderator in one of the other FIDONet echoes (I got to meet
    him a few years ago, before Covid-19, when he was traveling),
    said that once when he was younger, all these kids going to a
    party were responsible for bringing something. He ended up
    bringing the drinks (booze <G>), and he said "it wasn't long
    before we were as drunk as monkeys on a lawn". <G>

    Haven't heard that particular phrasing but can relate!



    Wanting to learn something is always better than having to learn something! Wonder if they use Morse code like a 'secret language'?
    I'm thinking of that semi-joke where kids don't understand the cursive writing of their grandparents.
    They were trying to outlaw it in schools. I think of the old
    Tex Avery cartoon, where this wolf was to be the schoolmaster
    (the "kids" were all dogs (aka Droopy, Jr. <G>). The wolf is
    going through, seeing what they need to study. It went like this: Reading....no (throws the book aside). Writing...no (throws the
    book aside). 'Rithmetic...no (throws the book aside).
    Fingerpainting, man!! That's what we need!! The "kids" are
    elated. <G>
    So, he has them paint "a confederate flag", but he notes they
    forgot the stars. He is then hit on the head by a bat from one of
    the kids, and the stars to the flag. He growls "There's a damn
    Yankee in this here crowd". <G>

    <chuckle> Almost would bet can't air that cartoon any more!


    So that's how the 'beep!' got started to cover audio outbursts!
    Possibly. Many radio and TV stations would have a 7 second
    delay, instead of being "live". I'm not sure how the filter
    worked to get rid of the expletives.

    Some guy with his finger on a switch. AFAICT it's still being used:
    when the weather is being giving on a local station can see some of
    their monitors. There is roughly a six or seven second delay from what
    is live (meteorologist giving the forecast) and what is seen on the
    monitor in the background. (The monitor displays what we saw at home
    about seven seconds ago.)


    Years ago in central Arkansas, the guy playing Bozo The Clown,
    was doing a live show, and the kids were bouncing a ball, and
    trying to bounce it into this barrel. When one boy's ball missed,
    he said the S expletive. When admonished "Now, son...that's a
    Bozo No-No"...the kid retorted "STUFF IT, CLOWNIE!!". That ENDED
    the live show. :P

    Quick! Cut to commercial!!



    The problem with speaking in a non-native language is there are other non-natives!
    And, the natives can get restless. <G>

    "What does 'fidgit' mean?"



    If only the poor guy had been told of the correct pronunciation before
    or during the first ordering. But then wouldn't make a decent joke!
    This is true...but I'm not enthused about having it.

    Eggs-actly!


    And one can't always assume the kids are listening/watch "junk": for
    all we know the kid would have recorded the class and is reviewing. We used to do the same thing: it was called taking notes.
    When an EMP occurs, everything gets fried...ALL electronics...cellphones, cars, calculators, cash registers, etc.
    The kids are going to panic!!

    And us older folke can't watch the events on TV!


    Clever on the element symbol, but wonder how many listeners got it?
    No clue. That station is long gone.

    But gold is supposed to last forever!


    ...I can't talk intelligently about local/regional radio for the past
    few years as I essentially don't listen. Have Pandora playing here in
    the Computer Room. When I was working my commute was 12-15 minutes.
    So, Pandora has her own box?? <G>

    Pbbbtt!!


    There you go, blubbering again. <G>
    Argh! You krill me!
    You can't tune a fish. <G> Excuse me...Charlie is at the
    Starkist door.

    He left: you better go catch him!


    Drizzle-drizzle-drizzle! I had a draw several years ago which required multiple tubes: by the last one I was barely getting blood into the
    tube. I don't watch the actual puncture but am sort of fascinated by
    the flow into the vial. On the last I was sort of kidding with the phlebotomist/nurse doing the draw and cheering on the vein to complete
    the draw.
    I knew of a woman who originally was a phlebotomist...now, she
    helps with colonoscopies. :P

    I don't think she'd want to be cheering like before!


    ... Sign in Restroom: Toilet Out Of Order. Use Floor Below.
    Well if you insist!
    Clean up in stall 4. <G>

    Some can be very gross!


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Wed Jun 1 11:36:00 2022
    Barry,

    Almost sounds like one of those "back in my day I had to go to school
    in the ice storm ...uphill both ways" but things like that were
    stricter. Not necessarily right or wrong, just the way things were and things evolve.

    Nowadays, we've gotten spoiled. Take indoor plumbing for example. Years
    ago, you had holes in the ground (or you dug your own). Then, it went to outhouses, slop jars, and now indoor toilets. I guess because folks spend
    so much time in the reading room of their orifice, as they want to "toil
    it" when they do their business. :P

    Almost seems would be a good idea to have a periodic review for
    everyone. especially RF safety -- thinking general electrical safety
    too. Just because using it doesn't mean using it right. OTOH they'd probably never be able to keep up with inspections.

    The latter is true. Besides, one false move with electricity, means
    "Game Over". And, in regards to a lightning strike outdoors, it's "one
    strike, and you're out".

    So the moral of the story is don't let the license lapse!

    You would be shocked (I was) at how many ham radio operators have no
    clue as to when their license expires. Years ago, if your license lapsed,
    you had to take everything again...3 Morse Code exams, and 5 written exams....and such a thing happened to one individual. He realized 2 days
    after his license had lapsed, that "he had to start over". The thing is,
    if your drivers license expires, the constabulary won't look too kindly
    on that. My ham radio license and my drivers license expire on my birthday;
    the ham radio license when I turn 69, and the drivers license when I turn
    67. So, I guess I'll quit driving before I quit being on the radio. <G>

    Or not spend the money (except for the ticket cost) on purchasing the
    new.

    So many have to possess "the latest and greatest" and "they have to keep
    up with the Jones's". My question is "Why??"...to me, if it works, why
    replace it??

    That's where the big money is! <g> "All electronic" -- stll have to
    have someone doing data entry. Even if filled the form online (so the applicant is doing the data entry for free) someone had to create the software to create the database and send/receive the data. Plus the
    cost of the computers, electricity to run, web connectivity....
    Sounding more and more like a pretty good bargain!

    While Robert Heinlein was right with TANSTAFFL (there ain't no such
    thing as a free lunch), getting a good deal is what to go for...such as
    in comparison shopping. If the generic item is cheaper, but the quality
    is still good, I go for the generic.

    You want fries with that?!

    With ketchup, but no salt. <G>

    bringing the drinks (booze <G>), and he said "it wasn't long
    before we were as drunk as monkeys on a lawn". <G>

    Haven't heard that particular phrasing but can relate!

    The closest I came to being drunk was when they gave me too much
    nitrous oxide when I had all 4 wisdom teeth taken out. Sometimes, I
    wonder if it affected my intelligence in the echoes (yes, I'm asking
    for it <G>).

    <chuckle> Almost would bet can't air that cartoon any more!

    So many folks are easily offended. Even when you tell them the true
    saying that "Life isn't Fair or Burger King. Fair is a fall carnival,
    a weather term, or a call in baseball...and you can NOT always 'Have
    It Your Way'"...they get mad. Next thing you know, they'll file a
    lawsuit for sneezing, coughing, belching, or farting in public. In
    that case, The Lord might as well nuke the whole planet right now. :P

    Also, two of the Tex Avery cartoons, "Red Hot Riding Hood" and
    "Little Rural Riding Hood", were considered "too sexual in nature";
    yet, they used them as a morale booster for the troops during World
    War II. Christian comedian Chonda Pierce said "Let them get a bunch
    of post menopausal women handling guns"...basically, no timidity
    there. :P Or like the T-shirt with a picture of an ocelot on it, who
    looked like he had been sucking on tart, bitter persimmons...with
    the caption "I have PMS and a handgun. Any questions??". <G>

    Some guy with his finger on a switch. AFAICT it's still being used:
    when the weather is being giving on a local station can see some of
    their monitors. There is roughly a six or seven second delay from what
    is live (meteorologist giving the forecast) and what is seen on the monitor in the background. (The monitor displays what we saw at home about seven seconds ago.)

    The thing is, you don't know what the caller is going to say in
    advance, and the guy with his finger on the switch can't be napping
    in any way. The only recourse is to block or hang up on the caller.

    The use of chroma-key really made technological advances in the
    TV stations newscasts...whether for weather or something else.

    he said the S expletive. When admonished "Now, son...that's a
    Bozo No-No"...the kid retorted "STUFF IT, CLOWNIE!!". That ENDED
    the live show. :P

    Quick! Cut to commercial!!

    That's likely what they did.

    "What does 'fidgit' mean?"

    Are we being figety?? Or are we looking for a fitbit spinner??

    When an EMP occurs, everything gets fried...ALL electronics...cellphones, cars, calculators, cash registers, etc.
    The kids are going to panic!!

    And us older folke can't watch the events on TV!

    The world can't end tonight!! It's already tomorrow in New Zealand!!

    But gold is supposed to last forever!

    Until its melted down. :P

    So, Pandora has her own box?? <G>

    Pbbbtt!!

    You need to quit eating those pinto beans before you read your mail. <G>

    You can't tune a fish. <G> Excuse me...Charlie is at the
    Starkist door.

    He left: you better go catch him!

    Like the meme of this railroad locomotive spouting legs..."we have
    a runaway train". <G>


    I knew of a woman who originally was a phlebotomist...now, she
    helps with colonoscopies. :P

    I don't think she'd want to be cheering like before!

    If you're married to her, don't let her get into a rear end collusion
    with you, and don't bend over if she's behind you. :P


    ... Sign in Restroom: Toilet Out Of Order. Use Floor Below.
    Well if you insist!
    Clean up in stall 4. <G>

    Some can be very gross!

    Especially if they do the Triple P (pee, poop, and puke).

    Q: How do you kill a circus troupe?
    A: Go for the juggler!

    You're clowning around again.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Fri Jun 3 08:07:00 2022

    Hi Daryl!

    Almost sounds like one of those "back in my day I had to go to school
    in the ice storm ...uphill both ways" but things like that were
    stricter. Not necessarily right or wrong, just the way things were and things evolve.
    Nowadays, we've gotten spoiled. Take indoor plumbing for
    example. Years ago, you had holes in the ground (or you dug your
    own). Then, it went to outhouses, slop jars, and now indoor
    toilets. I guess because folks spend so much time in the reading
    room of their orifice, as they want to "toil it" when they do
    their business. :P

    We have a radio in ours. :) ...No, not so much for aural entertainment
    but when the kids were growing up we could monitor for school closings
    and delays. Got used to it so just left it. (Radio plugs into a
    switched outlet so when the bathroom light is flipped on the radio also
    comes on. Older mechanical tuning so maintains the station.)


    Almost seems would be a good idea to have a periodic review for
    everyone. especially RF safety -- thinking general electrical safety
    too. Just because using it doesn't mean using it right. OTOH they'd probably never be able to keep up with inspections.
    The latter is true. Besides, one false move with electricity,
    means "Game Over". And, in regards to a lightning strike
    outdoors, it's "one strike, and you're out".

    That's not fair! <g> I've done electrical work around the house; one
    'rule' I have is I hang around for some time after done just in case
    something goes wrong. Nothing has, not paranoia, just a matter of I
    guess verification. When we had the house wiring updated I asked the electricians about my work. They knew I had been trained by someone in electronics as the connections were better mechanically: twist the wires together before being put in wire nuts, curved to fit around screw
    terminals. Electricans usually leave the wire straight so easier to
    remove later. They also liked I had identified many of the wire runs.
    My 'bad score' was I tended to leave a couple extra inches of wire
    termination - more room to do the work, harder to stuff the excess into
    the box.


    So the moral of the story is don't let the license lapse!
    You would be shocked (I was) at how many ham radio operators
    have no clue as to when their license expires. Years ago, if your

    I can kind of see that: I don't know when my driver's license is
    expiring. OTOH I have a note card with the expiration date in a
    notebook ==> notebook has the twelve months plus 'next year'. Last year
    I had a dental appointment so the six-month appointment card goes the appropriate section of the notebook. My driver's license doesn't expire
    this year so it goes in the 'next year' section. Used some old 3«"
    floppy disk drive page holders for appointment cards and the like, along
    with top-loading page protectors for larger items. I also use
    electronic reminders (calendar function), just the 'old school' part of
    me likes a paper reminder.


    license lapsed, you had to take everything again...3 Morse Code
    exams, and 5 written exams....and such a thing happened to one
    individual. He realized 2 days after his license had lapsed, that
    "he had to start over". The thing is, if your drivers license
    expires, the constabulary won't look too kindly on that. My ham
    radio license and my drivers license expire on my birthday; the
    ham radio license when I turn 69, and the drivers license when I
    turn 67. So, I guess I'll quit driving before I quit being on the
    radio. <G>

    I'm not going by that 'rule'!! And my Mother was driving past her 93rd birthday last Spring -- restricted herself to 'good conditions', so
    didn't drive in the rain nor snow. She stopped because she was
    hospitalized after she fell and injured her leg.



    Or not spend the money (except for the ticket cost) on purchasing the
    new.
    So many have to possess "the latest and greatest" and "they
    have to keep up with the Jones's". My question is "Why??"...to
    me, if it works, why replace it??

    I replaced a light because the bulb died!

    ...Was my desk lamp which I had had since probably junior high school if
    not late elementary school. 18" fluorescent bulb. Easy enough to get a replacement bulb but was wondering if I had SAD (seasonal affective
    disorder due to lack of sunlight in the winter) to decided to try a full-spectrum option.


    That's where the big money is! <g> "All electronic" -- stll have to
    have someone doing data entry. Even if filled the form online (so the applicant is doing the data entry for free) someone had to create the software to create the database and send/receive the data. Plus the
    cost of the computers, electricity to run, web connectivity....
    Sounding more and more like a pretty good bargain!
    While Robert Heinlein was right with TANSTAFFL (there ain't no
    such thing as a free lunch), getting a good deal is what to go
    for...such as in comparison shopping. If the generic item is
    cheaper, but the quality is still good, I go for the generic.

    Generally yes. I can usually taste a slight difference between
    generic/house brand food and national brands, though there are times
    when I prefer the taste of the house brand over the national brand.


    You want fries with that?!
    With ketchup, but no salt. <G>

    You'd love me eating French fries, tater tots, and the like! I prefer
    'neat' food so a squirt of ketchup off to the side. The salt tends to
    not stick to the potato so I'll salt the ketchup and get the flavour
    that way. ...About the only food I salt other than peanut butter.


    bringing the drinks (booze <G>), and he said "it wasn't long
    before we were as drunk as monkeys on a lawn". <G>
    Haven't heard that particular phrasing but can relate!
    The closest I came to being drunk was when they gave me too
    much nitrous oxide when I had all 4 wisdom teeth taken out.
    Sometimes, I wonder if it affected my intelligence in the echoes
    (yes, I'm asking for it <G>).

    That could exlain a few things!! <gg>


    <chuckle> Almost would bet can't air that cartoon any more!
    So many folks are easily offended. Even when you tell them the
    true saying that "Life isn't Fair or Burger King. Fair is a fall
    carnival, a weather term, or a call in baseball...and you can NOT
    always 'Have It Your Way'"...they get mad. Next thing you know,
    they'll file a lawsuit for sneezing, coughing, belching, or
    farting in public. In that case, The Lord might as well nuke the
    whole planet right now. :P

    Here comes another asteroid!



    Also, two of the Tex Avery cartoons, "Red Hot Riding Hood" and
    "Little Rural Riding Hood", were considered "too sexual in
    nature"; yet, they used them as a morale booster for the troops
    during World War II. Christian comedian Chonda Pierce said "Let
    them get a bunch of post menopausal women handling
    guns"...basically, no timidity there. :P Or like the T-shirt with
    a picture of an ocelot on it, who looked like he had been sucking
    on tart, bitter persimmons...with the caption "I have PMS and a
    handgun. Any questions??". <G>

    Some people wil take offence to anything, some pretty much find anything amusing/with a message/etc.


    Some guy with his finger on a switch. AFAICT it's still being used:
    when the weather is being giving on a local station can see some of
    their monitors. There is roughly a six or seven second delay from what
    is live (meteorologist giving the forecast) and what is seen on the monitor in the background. (The monitor displays what we saw at home about seven seconds ago.)
    The thing is, you don't know what the caller is going to say in
    advance, and the guy with his finger on the switch can't be
    napping in any way. The only recourse is to block or hang up on
    the caller.

    Some people just naturally pepper their speach with 'dirty words'.


    The use of chroma-key really made technological advances in the
    TV stations newscasts...whether for weather or something else.

    Don't wear certain shades of clothing else you'll disappear!


    he said the S expletive. When admonished "Now, son...that's a
    Bozo No-No"...the kid retorted "STUFF IT, CLOWNIE!!". That ENDED
    the live show. :P
    Quick! Cut to commercial!!
    That's likely what they did.

    About all one can do with a live broadcast.



    "What does 'fidgit' mean?"
    Are we being figety?? Or are we looking for a fitbit spinner??

    Seems thos fidgit spinners were a very short-lived must-have.



    When an EMP occurs, everything gets fried...ALL electronics...cellphones, cars, calculators, cash registers, etc.
    The kids are going to panic!!
    And us older folke can't watch the events on TV!
    The world can't end tonight!! It's already tomorrow in New
    Zealand!!

    So all we have to do is monitor New Zealand! Problem solved!


    But gold is supposed to last forever!
    Until its melted down. :P

    From the heat of the EMP?


    So, Pandora has her own box?? <G>
    Pbbbtt!!
    You need to quit eating those pinto beans before you read your
    mail. <G>

    What's worse it I do my mail after breakfast. That wasn't 'Fruity
    Pebbles' in the cereal bowl!


    You can't tune a fish. <G> Excuse me...Charlie is at the
    Starkist door.
    He left: you better go catch him!
    Like the meme of this railroad locomotive spouting legs..."we
    have a runaway train". <G>

    I thought it was an escapee from the bride's dress!



    I knew of a woman who originally was a phlebotomist...now, she
    helps with colonoscopies. :P
    I don't think she'd want to be cheering like before!
    If you're married to her, don't let her get into a rear end
    collusion with you, and don't bend over if she's behind you. :P

    What they do in privacy is up to them.


    ... Sign in Restroom: Toilet Out Of Order. Use Floor Below.
    Well if you insist!
    Clean up in stall 4. <G>
    Some can be very gross!
    Especially if they do the Triple P (pee, poop, and puke).

    Precisely! Oo! Projective vomiting!


    Q: How do you kill a circus troupe?
    A: Go for the juggler!
    You're clowning around again.

    It is sometimes like a three-ring circus around here!


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Sun Jun 5 20:03:00 2022
    Barry,

    We have a radio in ours. :) ...No, not so much for aural entertainment but when the kids were growing up we could monitor for school closings
    and delays. Got used to it so just left it. (Radio plugs into a
    switched outlet so when the bathroom light is flipped on the radio also comes on. Older mechanical tuning so maintains the station.)

    Music to do your business by. :P Or you listen to the scary stuff if
    you're bound up, to save the work of an enema. I understand that the presidential health plan doesn't cover enemas, so health care workers
    have to slap the [crap] out of you. :P

    That's not fair! <g> I've done electrical work around the house; one 'rule' I have is I hang around for some time after done just in case something goes wrong. Nothing has, not paranoia, just a matter of I
    guess verification. When we had the house wiring updated I asked the electricians about my work. They knew I had been trained by someone in electronics as the connections were better mechanically: twist the
    wires together before being put in wire nuts, curved to fit around
    screw terminals. Electricans usually leave the wire straight so easier
    to remove later. They also liked I had identified many of the wire
    runs. My 'bad score' was I tended to leave a couple extra inches of
    wire termination - more room to do the work, harder to stuff the excess into the box.

    While electricians get into peoples shorts (never mind looking for a lot
    to plug things in <G>), it doesn't even take an amp of electricity to do
    you in.

    I can kind of see that: I don't know when my driver's license is
    expiring. OTOH I have a note card with the expiration date in a
    notebook ==> notebook has the twelve months plus 'next year'. Last
    year I had a dental appointment so the six-month appointment card goes
    the appropriate section of the notebook. My driver's license doesn't expire this year so it goes in the 'next year' section. Used some old
    3«" floppy disk drive page holders for appointment cards and the like, along with top-loading page protectors for larger items. I also use electronic reminders (calendar function), just the 'old school' part of
    me likes a paper reminder.

    The car tags I have to renew yearly, but I have to assess and then pay the personal property taxes each year. This year, it's going to be either borrow some money to pay for it, or sell the car. Besides, medical issues may take
    it to that point, anyway.

    The drivers license always expired on the birthday...and it was originally good for only 4 years, but this last time, I got it renewed for 8 years.
    But, even if I have to give up driving, I'm going to keep it, in case of an emergency, plus it has that "enhanced ID" with it, so I could get into the Federal Building downtown, or if I had to fly.

    I'm not going by that 'rule'!! And my Mother was driving past her 93rd birthday last Spring -- restricted herself to 'good conditions', so
    didn't drive in the rain nor snow. She stopped because she was hospitalized after she fell and injured her leg.

    If the bad leg is the one you used the pedals with (too dangerous driving with one foot on the gas, and one on the brake), it's best to give it up.

    I replaced a light because the bulb died!

    There's a certain sincere logic in that.

    Generally yes. I can usually taste a slight difference between generic/house brand food and national brands, though there are times
    when I prefer the taste of the house brand over the national brand.

    The price of everything has gone up so much, that I'm limited on what
    I can buy, let alone eat. The latter is because I have to watch the sodium intake now.

    You'd love me eating French fries, tater tots, and the like! I prefer 'neat' food so a squirt of ketchup off to the side. The salt tends to
    not stick to the potato so I'll salt the ketchup and get the flavour
    that way. ...About the only food I salt other than peanut butter.

    Now, you've got me hungry for fries and tots. :P

    (yes, I'm asking for it <G>).

    That could exlain a few things!! <gg>

    Well, some of the echoes are dead as doornails.

    Here comes another asteroid!

    Fire torpedo to destroy it. D@mn -- missed...we're doomed. :P

    Some people wil take offence to anything, some pretty much find
    anything amusing/with a message/etc.

    Some of these folks basically need to get a life.

    Some people just naturally pepper their speach with 'dirty words'.

    Which proves "profanity is the attempt of a feeble mind to express
    itself forcibly". Now, one werty derd once in a blue moon (that shows
    up in the smurf nursery or proctology lab <G>), isn't too bad...but
    so many things have the lyrics, etc. "drowning" in it.

    Don't wear certain shades of clothing else you'll disappear!

    It's funny to watch that happen...at least it's not just their
    clothing that disappears, and shows them in their underwear, or
    nude. :P

    About all one can do with a live broadcast.

    True.

    Seems thos fidgit spinners were a very short-lived must-have.

    Well, someone made some money...but it was a passing fad.

    Now, the guy who invented the Loofa Dog chew deal, is laughing all
    the way to the bank.

    So all we have to do is monitor New Zealand! Problem solved!

    Basically, yes.

    But gold is supposed to last forever!
    Until its melted down. :P

    From the heat of the EMP?

    Probably so.

    What's worse it I do my mail after breakfast. That wasn't 'Fruity Pebbles' in the cereal bowl!

    Sort of like the cartoon of the dog named Grimm, his old lady mistress, Mother Goose, and the cat named Atilla (what a name for a feline)...called Mother Goose And Grimm. Grimmy says to Atilla "I found Tootsie Rolls in
    your litter box"...and the cat growls "Grimmy...I've got news for you". <G>

    Like the meme of this railroad locomotive spouting legs..."we
    have a runaway train". <G>

    I thought it was an escapee from the bride's dress!

    I saw one video where apparently the bride forgot undergarments, and
    "she remained in bare bottom". :P
    If you're married to her, don't let her get into a rear end
    collusion with you, and don't bend over if she's behind you. :P

    What they do in privacy is up to them.

    This is true.

    Precisely! Oo! Projective vomiting!

    You're sick.

    Q: How do you kill a circus troupe?
    A: Go for the juggler!
    You're clowning around again.

    It is sometimes like a three-ring circus around here!

    At least the echo is active. :P

    Daryl

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