Subject: Learned something new to me
Hi Ed!
EV> The XP Taskbar has 28 to 32 programs open when I wanted to Open
EV> another File, but nothing happened.
EV> The XP box has 3GB RAM which I thought should allow me to do
EV> anything that I wanted to do when I bought it in 2006.
I'm pretty much only using (Virtual) XP for the BBS stuff and haven't
fiddled around in ages. At the Command Promot tyoe 'mem' and see if any hints there.
Mine comes out really strangely:
655360 bytes total conventional memory
655360 bytes available to MS-DOS
634048 largest executable program size
1048576 bytes total contiguous extended memory
0 bytes available contiguous extended memory
941056 bytes available XMS memory
MS-DOS resident in High Memory Area
I'm thinking maybe the reason you can't open your 40th window is there
is not you're out of system memory but rather you're out of memory for whatever application governs the files.
.. If mediums can communicate with dead imagine what large can do!
Browsers are the biggest hogs, I've seen Chrome suck up 40GB (yes,
gigabytes) of RAM! Supermium, despite being based on the same code, is
not as greedy, but still uses about 700mb when it's just admiring its
navel, plus about 2GB per page open.
Browsers are the biggest hogs, I've seen Chrome suck up 40GB (yes,
gigabytes) of RAM! Supermium, despite being based on the same code, is
not as greedy, but still uses about 700mb when it's just admiring its
navel, plus about 2GB per page open.
I am convinced that the more memory a machine has available, the more the browser will suck up. Either they, the pages they are rendering, or both, are some of the least efficient coding that has ever been produced.
@SUBJECT:Re: Learned something new to N Hello Ed.Vance!
The early searches for Bluetooth devices came up with a image
of a BT device that had a jack for a CAT-5 plug.
Surely.. that would be easily found, it it existed. Maybe you
misremember what the device was for.
My (BIG) idea is to use the WAN port of the Linksys BEFSX41
Router to that device.
So.. your idea is to feed BT from your phone, to the Router,
and then feed eth to your laptop?
I think there have already been other (better/simpler)
solutions mentioned here.
Just link your XP pc with wifi. Give a try! A few minutes of
testing isn't going to be the major security concern that you
imagine.
I only want to buy a device that meets MY specifications.
Every search for the device at store websites have failed to
come up with what I am looking for.
.because probably such a device for your specs/idea doesn't
really exist?
EV> The XP Taskbar has 28 to 32 programs open when I wanted to Open
EV> another File, but nothing happened.
EV> The XP box has 3GB RAM which I thought should allow me to do
EV> anything that I wanted to do when I bought it in 2006.
Lost track of the message, but anyway.... by itself, 32bit XP
with default drivers uses 386mb RAM (I've seen this number over
and over) or if it's dual-booted with ReactOS, for some reason
only uses 80mb RAM. Either way, it's not the major problem.
Browsers are the biggest hogs, I've seen Chrome suck up 40GB
(yes, gigabytes) of RAM! Supermium, despite being based on the
same code, is not as greedy, but still uses about 700mb when it's
just admiring its navel, plus about 2GB per page open.
How on earth did you have 28 to 32 programs running -- doing
what? I have 4 or 5 apps that are open all the time, but
otherwise... are you sure you're not counting multiple windows
for a single program? You might want to set them to "group when
taskbar is full".
Best thing to check is Task Manager, it'll give you a lot of
information. I leave it running in the system tray all the time,
cuz it doesn't eat much (at least on older Windows; on 10/11 it
uses way too much RAM).
I'm pretty much only using (Virtual) XP for the BBS stuff and haven't fiddled around in ages. At the Command Prompt tyoe 'mem' and see if any hints there.
Mine comes out really strangely:
655360 bytes total conventional memory
655360 bytes available to MS-DOS
634048 largest executable program size
1048576 bytes total contiguous extended memory
0 bytes available contiguous extended memory
941056 bytes available XMS memory
MS-DOS resident in High Memory Area
I think it's seeing only the mini-VM (I forget what it's called)
32-bit XP uses to run DOS programs. It's certainly not seeing
system RAM.
I'm thinking maybe the reason you can't open your 40th window is there
is not you're out of system memory but rather you're out of memory for whatever application governs the files.
Might have run the heaps dry. However, then you normally get a
wonky screen where if you drag a window around it looks like
this:
http://doomgold.com/images/linux/snapshot5-smplayer.png
Incidentally that screenshot was from linux, not immune to this
issue.
.. If mediums can communicate with dead imagine what large can do!
Bring back the mammoths, and smallpox, and dinosaurs....
Hmm. Maybe try smalls.
Hi Ed!
That's good! :)
(One of our quote-back devices is not quite right; I added the hyphen to
your reply.)
Dawned on me I think Ky meant 'stacks' when he typed 'heaps' in his
reply to me but not qute sure. Check both out. 'Stack' is an area of memory; 'heap' is one or more areas of memory from which storage is
obtained on an as-needed basis and returned when no longer needed.
So based on that it seems one should not run out of heaps as they are
dynamic whereas stacks are limited and always the same size no matter
the content. ...Seems like one could adjust the size of the stack, so
if made smaller could have more. ...Limitation of 100% of the RAM
still, but can make smaller partitions.
Hi Ed!
Yours is displaying similar to my Virtual Machine XP -- Ky's the expert
on those numbers so I'l defer to him.
EV> The CMD prompt is Run As Administrator.
EV> There are 21 items running on the Taskbar .
Seems like a high number but LIS to Ky earlier I've got quite a few applications running, some with multiple parts. LibreOffice has around
eight documents open currently, Remmina has two, so that's ten just
between those two applications.
I'm half-thinking the solution (besides closing some apps!) is maxxing
out your RAM. though only 4 GB for a 32-bit OS, or maybe fiddle and
shrink the stacks size. IIRC a stack is either full or empty: if set
for 1024 then 1 through 1023 is a used stack so filled faster than if
stacks set to 512: you have twice as many stacks and if partially filled
you have more free. ...And if you're confused I don't blame you: I have
a mental diagram which I'm 'seeing'.
Hi Ky!
You replied to my replied to Ed but I think he'll see it. <g>
KM> Lost track of the message, but anyway.... by itself, 32bit XP
KM> with default drivers uses 386mb RAM (I've seen this number over
KM> and over) or if it's dual-booted with ReactOS, for some reason
KM> only uses 80mb RAM. Either way, it's not the major problem.
Yes, I've seen that 386 MB usage figure numerous times; don't know if
someone measured once and everyone reused that data or what but seems to
make sense: the work data is stored someplace and takes up space. Odd
how the number is slashed with ReactOS -- I'd guess the 'missing' memory could be found in the dual-boot partition.
KM> Browsers are the biggest hogs, I've seen Chrome suck up 40GB
KM> (yes, gigabytes) of RAM! Supermium, despite being based on the
KM> same code, is not as greedy, but still uses about 700mb when it's
KM> just admiring its navel, plus about 2GB per page open.
40 GB!! And for a while we were installing 8 or 16 GB of RAM and thought sufficient! (Horray for Swap!)
KM> How on earth did you have 28 to 32 programs running -- doing
KM> what? I have 4 or 5 apps that are open all the time, but
KM> otherwise... are you sure you're not counting multiple windows
KM> for a single program? You might want to set them to "group when
KM> taskbar is full".
I was thinking Ed was counting all the open windows and some windows
were multiple of the same utility. Right now I have 8 windows open for
Otherwise here I can have concurrently open utilities for e-mail,
temperature monitoring, viewing remote desktops, and the scripts
'snooping' on the other computers to make sure they're operating
correctly. All those little functions make the count go up quickly, so
I could see Ed's getting to two and three dozen.
KM> Best thing to check is Task Manager, it'll give you a lot of
KM> information. I leave it running in the system tray all the time,
KM> cuz it doesn't eat much (at least on older Windows; on 10/11 it
KM> uses way too much RAM).
Agree on using Task Manager -- and a reminder to open all the view
options: with System Monitor on Linux there are options to view User,
Active, All and Dependencies so assume something similar for Windows XP. ..Click for sorting so don't have to scroll though the list!
> Mine comes out really strangely:
>
> 655360 bytes total conventional memory
> 655360 bytes available to MS-DOS
> 634048 largest executable program size
>
> 1048576 bytes total contiguous extended memory
> 0 bytes available contiguous extended memory
> 941056 bytes available XMS memory
> MS-DOS resident in High Memory Area
KM> I think it's seeing only the mini-VM (I forget what it's called)
KM> 32-bit XP uses to run DOS programs. It's certainly not seeing
KM> system RAM.
Probably so, else it's the computer version of the elusive perpetual
motion machine!
> I'm thinking maybe the reason you can't open your 40th window is there
> is not you're out of system memory but rather you're out of memory for
> whatever application governs the files.
KM> Might have run the heaps dry. However, then you normally get a
KM> wonky screen where if you drag a window around it looks like
KM> this:
KM> http://doomgold.com/images/linux/snapshot5-smplayer.png
KM> Incidentally that screenshot was from linux, not immune to this
KM> issue.
Yup: I've seen it on my system which isn't in the whimpy department. Extremely rarely seen, but as I recall when there's some heavy system
loading going on.
> .. If mediums can communicate with dead imagine what large can do!
KM> Bring back the mammoths, and smallpox, and dinosaurs....
And burning at the stake!
Hello Ed.Vance!
I can't find Ed's message on the topic, but anyway. Pretend
you're Ed. I'm talkin' to Ed. :)
The early searches for Bluetooth devices came up with a
image of a BT device that had a jack for a CAT-5 plug.
Surely.. that would be easily found, it it existed. Maybe you
misremember what the device was for.
There's no such thing. You're probably remembering a USB-to-
Ethernet adapter. ...
Bluetooth is much less secure and a lot more likely to
randomly fail to connect. Especially does not work well with
XP. I have a BT adapter on my XP64 box for no good reason,
because it won't connect with any modern devices, and only
sees about half of them. Its only virtue is it's old enough
that the driver is for XP.
So.. your idea is to feed BT from your phone, to the Router,
and then feed eth to your laptop?
Wired ethernet is more reliable and WAAAAY faster (20x to
200x depending on your port capacity). But wifi does work
reliably with XP.
Wifi will never be as secure as wired, because it's broadcast
to the world, and you need to make sure security is set (if
not on by default).
One of my small entertainments is watching wifi-enabled cars
go by on the highway. It's about 200 feet away but they still
show up on any device that's looking for wifi. Some are
secure, but many are not.
Yes, I want both the XP desktop and Vista notebook that are connected to the router to be using the Bluetooth device to talk with the Bluetooth on the phone.
That's my idea.
Even if it will increase the monthly payment on the phone.
If you add an ethernet card to your PC, would that device allow you to pick >> up the signal via BT?
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They are each plugged in to the router.
I am just thinking if I had a Bluetooth device plugged into the router output as the DSL Modem was , I would be able to 'pair' them so I wouldn't be stuck totapping on this phone.
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Barry, The monitor the desktop computer uses is 19" .
The screen on this phone is tiny, which I have much difficulty with.
(You do see that I 'm blaming the phone, not My Head)
MIKE POWELL wrote to KY MOFFET <=-
Browsers are the biggest hogs, I've seen Chrome suck up 40GB (yes, gigabytes) of RAM! Supermium, despite being based on the same code, is
not as greedy, but still uses about 700mb when it's just admiring its
navel, plus about 2GB per page open.
I am convinced that the more memory a machine has available, the
more the browser will suck up. Either they, the pages they are
rendering, or both, are some of the least efficient coding that
has ever been produced.
Hello Ky.Moffet!
** On Tuesday 23.07.24 - 20:50, Ky.Moffet wrote to August Abolins:
Hello Ed.Vance!
I can't find Ed's message on the topic, but anyway. Pretend
you're Ed. I'm talkin' to Ed. :)
OK. I'll try. But I can't speak for Ed! LOL
There's no such thing. You're probably remembering a USB-to-
Ethernet adapter. ...
I'm guessing the same thing. But maybe Ed thought it was
something else.
Bluetooth is much less secure and a lot more likely to
randomly fail to connect. Especially does not work well with
XP. I have a BT adapter on my XP64 box for no good reason,
because it won't connect with any modern devices, and only
sees about half of them. Its only virtue is it's old enough
that the driver is for XP.
There are about 5 generations of BT now. My XP laptop (a
thinkpad TP40) worked well with an original generation Kobo's
BT feature. It was really convenient to transfer ebook
downloads via BT to the Kobo. Later Kobo models abandoned the
BT feature. Meanwhile, even a later model Thinkpad T60 (also
XP) simply does not work with newer BT devices.
The problem is that Ed's internet is supplied by the phone
right now, and he refuses to use wifi. There is no "wired" way
to feed the internet from the phone to his XP laptop. I really
don't understand his reluctance to enable hotspot mode using
wifi on the phone and feed the internet the XP laptop's wifi
that way. His wife could even continue to use the phone while
it's operating in hotspot mode. He'd be able to use his XP
laptop and enjoy the larger screen and normal keyboard many
months ago! Or.. maybe he truly does enjoy using the smaller
screen and virtual keyboard on the phone afterall. <g>
Wifi will never be as secure as wired, because it's broadcast
to the world, and you need to make sure security is set (if
not on by default).
He has some kind Moto model of smartphone (I'm too lazy to
check older messages for the specific one). It would have built
in security for hotspot mode. As long as Ed configures a good
password he should be fine and it wouldn't matter if the
phone's SSID is "broadcast to the world".
One of my small entertainments is watching wifi-enabled cars
go by on the highway. It's about 200 feet away but they still
show up on any device that's looking for wifi. Some are
secure, but many are not.
Hmmm.. I scan the environment for other wifi devices too from
time to time. I use Fing on one of my smartphones for that. I
work at a storefont that is right next to the main street in
town. I'd see an SSID show up and then it would disappear a
minute or two later. The one's I've seen have all been secure.
I haven't noticed an open one.
Sort of a tangent but I've read MythTV (utility for recording and
playing back television shows) will appear to use 100% of the memory --
it just caches whatever it can, I guess for a 'more efficient'
operation. In this instance appears to be for greater efficiency: don't
want to watch a show with a buffering screen!
BARRY MARTIN wrote: originally to Ef...
Hi Ed!
That's good! :)
(One of our quote-back devices is not quite right; I added the hyphen to your reply.)
Mine works fine, what's wrong with you? :)
Dawned on me I think Ky meant 'stacks' when he typed 'heaps' in his
reply to me but not qute sure. Check both out. 'Stack' is an area of memory; 'heap' is one or more areas of memory from which storage is
obtained on an as-needed basis and returned when no longer needed.
So based on that it seems one should not run out of heaps as they are dynamic whereas stacks are limited and always the same size no matter
the content. ...Seems like one could adjust the size of the stack, so
if made smaller could have more. ...Limitation of 100% of the RAM
still, but can make smaller partitions.
No, I mean heaps. They are dynamically sized, but the NUMBER is
limited. To my understanding they're used more for dynamically
changing stuff like whatever you might do on your desktop, while
stacks are more what the OS uses and once loaded the OS is fairly
static. Both have limits but because you're more likely to use
heaps as you open and use applications, they're more likely to
run out.
Win 3.x, Win9x, and WinME could run five programs before they ran
dry.
XP was supposed to fix that but all it really did was increase
the heap limit, a lot. It's still possible to run out,
if a
program is enough of a hog, or buggy enough. The only one I've
seen do it routinely is Nero, the CD/DVD burning utility. Have
enough instances open and it'll clog up the works (the problem
seems to be that each instance calls two instances of File
Explorer). And it's bad coding; Infra CD Recorder has no such
problem, far as I've seen.
Some programs assume they have full use of ALL system resources,
and if there are a LOT, like we've had since XP, they don't
bother cleaning up after themselves.
LibreOffice is an example of a Badly Coded Program. Instead of
opening tabs in the same interface for additional documents, it
opens a whole new instance of the entire program. Chrome does
this too, each is displayed as a tab but it is actually an entire
new instance of the whole program (or why it's such a memory
hog). This was done supposedly because then if one page crashes
it won't take down the entire application, but in reality it
makes no difference other than it sucks up RAM like a drunken
coder.
For comparion, I have ten tabs open in RoughDraft, and it still
peaks at about 26k of RAM used.
I don't know how linux handles whatever it calls stacks and heaps (considering it's also written in C++ it can't be that
different), but I do know it has crap garbage collection and
tends to fill up RAM with junk. PCLOS is much better about this,
and will run 5-6 months before it needs a restart, but Fedora
used to need a restart once a week. Latest version is somewhat better-mannered. For comparison,
XP can run at least 3 years
without needing a restart. and if something is really kaka, can
be flushed by logging out and back in, without restarting the OS.
(If the power never went out and the hardware never failed, it
might run forever.)
Silver (XP64) has been up 9 months this time, and is none the
worse. I do need to take it outside and blow the dust out fairly
soon, tho.
KY MOFFET wrote to BARRY MARTIN <=-
BARRY MARTIN wrote:
Hi Ed!
Yours is displaying similar to my Virtual Machine XP -- Ky's the expert
on those numbers so I'l defer to him.
Could also have run out of swap space. With only 3GB RAM, of
which you actually have use of about 2GB for programs, unless
those are mighty small programs they're going to have long since overflowed to swap.
Swap is slow especially with spinning rust. I used to always
disable it entirely, but now I exile it to a NVMe dedicated to
swap, browser cache, and the like, so it doesn't wear out the
SSD, and is WAY faster. Tho with 64GB RAM it rarely touches swap.
Image editing apps tend to whine if there's no cache.
EV> The CMD prompt is Run As Administrator.
EV> There are 21 items running on the Taskbar .
Seems like a high number but LIS to Ky earlier I've got quite a few applications running, some with multiple parts. LibreOffice has around eight documents open currently, Remmina has two, so that's ten just
between those two applications.
I expect some are multiple instances, as LO does it.
I have about 25 tabs open in Chrome over on the linux box,
because Youtube doesn't queue them properly and forgets what you
had queued all the time.
I'm half-thinking the solution (besides closing some apps!) is maxxing
out your RAM. though only 4 GB for a 32-bit OS, or maybe fiddle and
shrink the stacks size. IIRC a stack is either full or empty: if set
for 1024 then 1 through 1023 is a used stack so filled faster than if
stacks set to 512: you have twice as many stacks and if partially filled
you have more free. ...And if you're confused I don't blame you: I have
a mental diagram which I'm 'seeing'.
XP already sets them to maxed out, as much as the OS can handle.
It isn't like DOS where you had to set upper limits or you got
some really puny number. If you muck about with it you'll just
mess up its efficiency, and XP is already very efficient.
Given Ed's system has only 3GB RAM, I'm guessing it's a 3-slot
board and those tend to be less efficient than 4-slot, and more
prone to be buggy. He'd do better to find someone's office
castoff for cheap or free, and upgrade the whole banana. There
comes a point where old hardware simply can't do what we're
asking of it.
I'm running XP64 on an i7, which took a little fiddling to get
XP64 to accept the motherboard, but XP runs without any drama on
any Core2Duo or Quad, and nowadays they're a dime a dozen. And
they max out at 8GB RAM. XP32 can actually do 8GB RAM, and
there's a utility to enable that, but was artificially limited to
4GB because so many systems have an onboard Intel GPU, and the
driver for Intel onboard GPUs is buggy, was won't-fixed, and the
solution was to limit RAM instead.
So if you don't have an Intel video chip, you can try that. I
haven't bothered, tho I should do it on Cash since it has 8GB
physical.
XP64 RAM limit is 128GB, but the downside is the command prompt
will not run DOS programs or 16bit Windows programs, so for that
you need an XP32 VM.
However, XP64 can do 16 TB of virtual memory, I can't imagine
doing that....
KY MOFFET wrote to BARRY MARTIN <=-
BARRY MARTIN wrote:
Hi Ky!
You replied to my replied to Ed but I think he'll see it. <g>
I can't find Ed's again.
KM> Lost track of the message, but anyway.... by itself, 32bit XP
KM> with default drivers uses 386mb RAM (I've seen this number over
KM> and over) or if it's dual-booted with ReactOS, for some reason
KM> only uses 80mb RAM. Either way, it's not the major problem.
Yes, I've seen that 386 MB usage figure numerous times; don't know if someone measured once and everyone reused that data or what but seems to make sense: the work data is stored someplace and takes up space. Odd
I'd swear they did it on purpose. Someone probably thought it was
funny.
Naked XP64 uses... are you ready for this? 486 MB RAM.
how the number is slashed with ReactOS -- I'd guess the 'missing' memory could be found in the dual-boot partition.
No, this is RAM, nothing to do with however you partition
anything.
I finally concluded that for some unknown reason, this is
buck-naked XP, actually very efficient. When I installed 3rd
party drivers on one of these, RAM use ballooned up to the
3-400MB range.
KM> Browsers are the biggest hogs, I've seen Chrome suck up 40GB
KM> (yes, gigabytes) of RAM! Supermium, despite being based on the
KM> same code, is not as greedy, but still uses about 700mb when it's
KM> just admiring its navel, plus about 2GB per page open.
40 GB!! And for a while we were installing 8 or 16 GB of RAM and thought sufficient! (Horray for Swap!)
BOO for swap. Slows things down. In the olden days I always
disabled it, or had it at the mnimum (25mb) because Photoshop and Photopaint both look for it and won't run if it's not there.
KM> How on earth did you have 28 to 32 programs running -- doing
KM> what? I have 4 or 5 apps that are open all the time, but
KM> otherwise... are you sure you're not counting multiple windows
KM> for a single program? You might want to set them to "group when
KM> taskbar is full".
I was thinking Ed was counting all the open windows and some windows
were multiple of the same utility. Right now I have 8 windows open for
Yeah, and may have taskbar stacking turned off.
Otherwise here I can have concurrently open utilities for e-mail, temperature monitoring, viewing remote desktops, and the scripts
'snooping' on the other computers to make sure they're operating
correctly. All those little functions make the count go up quickly, so
I could see Ed's getting to two and three dozen.
I have RoughDraft (10 editing tabs), LibreOffice (one instance),
Supermium (Chrome for XP) with nothing open but the homepage, and SeaMonkey with browser and email panes open. 4.9GB RAM used, most
of which is browsers.
KM> Best thing to check is Task Manager, it'll give you a lot of
KM> information. I leave it running in the system tray all the time,
KM> cuz it doesn't eat much (at least on older Windows; on 10/11 it
KM> uses way too much RAM).
Agree on using Task Manager -- and a reminder to open all the view
options: with System Monitor on Linux there are options to view User, Active, All and Dependencies so assume something similar for Windows XP. ..Click for sorting so don't have to scroll though the list!
Yeah, that sort of thing is really useful on any OS.
> Mine comes out really strangely:
>
> 655360 bytes total conventional memory
> 655360 bytes available to MS-DOS
> 634048 largest executable program size
>
> 1048576 bytes total contiguous extended memory
> 0 bytes available contiguous extended memory
> 941056 bytes available XMS memory
> MS-DOS resident in High Memory Area
KM> I think it's seeing only the mini-VM (I forget what it's called)
KM> 32-bit XP uses to run DOS programs. It's certainly not seeing
KM> system RAM.
Probably so, else it's the computer version of the elusive perpetual
motion machine!
LOL. If you run MEM on a DOS system you'll get the above.
> I'm thinking maybe the reason you can't open your 40th window is there
> is not you're out of system memory but rather you're out of memory for
> whatever application governs the files.
KM> Might have run the heaps dry. However, then you normally get a
KM> wonky screen where if you drag a window around it looks like
KM> this:
KM> http://doomgold.com/images/linux/snapshot5-smplayer.png
KM> Incidentally that screenshot was from linux, not immune to this
KM> issue.
Yup: I've seen it on my system which isn't in the whimpy department. Extremely rarely seen, but as I recall when there's some heavy system loading going on.
Some programs are ill-behaved varmints and prone to do this.
> .. If mediums can communicate with dead imagine what large can do!
KM> Bring back the mammoths, and smallpox, and dinosaurs....
And burning at the stake!
I'm good with that; I can think of several worthy to "encourage
the others".
BARRY MARTIN wrote:
Lost track of the message, but anyway.... by itself, 32bit XP with
default drivers uses 386mb RAM (I've seen this number over and over) or
if it's dual-booted with ReactOS, for some reason only uses 80mb RAM.
Either way, it's not the major problem.
Browsers are the biggest hogs, I've seen Chrome suck up 40GB (yes,
gigabytes) of RAM! Supermium, despite being based on the same code, is
not as greedy, but still uses about 700mb when it's just admiring its
navel, plus about 2GB per page open.
How on earth did you have 28 to 32 programs running -- doing what? I
have 4 or 5 apps that are open all the time, but otherwise... are you
sure you're not counting multiple windows for a single program? You
might want to set them to "group when taskbar is full".
Best thing to check is Task Manager, it'll give you a lot of
information. I leave it running in the system tray all the time, cuz it doesn't eat much (at least on older Windows; on 10/11 it uses way too
much RAM).y
I think it's seeing only the mini-VM (I forget what it's called) 32-bit
XP uses to run DOS programs. It's certainly not seeing system RAM.
Might have run the heaps dry. However, then you normally get a wonky
screen where if you drag a window around it looks like this:
http://doomgold.com/images/linux/snapshot5-smplayer.png
Incidentally that screenshot was from linux, not immune to this issue.
Bring back the mammoths, and smallpox, and dinosaurs....
Hmm. Maybe try smalls.
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Task Manager is usually the first program I run after signing in on the XP box.TM was already one of the icons cof that 28 bunch, and probably would be nearto the last that would be Closed while I was experiencing problems.
Ed
Sort of a tangent but I've read MythTV (utility for recording and
playing back television shows) will appear to use 100% of the memory --
it just caches whatever it can, I guess for a 'more efficient'
operation. In this instance appears to be for greater efficiency: don't want to watch a show with a buffering screen!
Memory exists to be used. If you have a lot, programs that can
take advantage should. But they also shouldn't be wasteful, cuz
they're not the only fish in the pond.
Hi Ky!
KM> Memory exists to be used. If you have a lot, programs that can
KM> take advantage should. But they also shouldn't be wasteful, cuz
KM> they're not the only fish in the pond.
So are you saying memory has to be shared by all the programmes, just
not a bully programme?!
AUGUST ABOLINS wrote:--- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
I can't find Ed's message on the topic, but anyway. Pretend you're Ed.
I'm talkin' to Ed. :)
There's no such thing. You're probably remembering a USB-to-Ethernet
adapter. GatorCable sells a good one for very few bucks (I have four of
'em) that includes an unpowered USB hub (suitable for a mouse or
keyboard or a flash drive, not for an external HD). You can get them in
the standard larger USB plug, or in newfangled USB-C. I use them with my netbooks that don't have an ethernet port.
There are dongles that do both wifi and bluetooth, but wifi-only cost
1/4 as much.
Bluetooth is much less secure and a lot more likely to randomly fail to connect. Especially does not work well with XP. I have a BT adapter on
my XP64 box for no good reason, because it won't connect with any modern devices, and only sees about half of them. Its only virtue is it's old enough that the driver is for XP.
That's an old router (only does 10/100, gigabit has been standard a long time) but should be decent enough.
https://downloads.linksys.com/downloads/userguide/1224638533883/BEFSX41_V21_U G_B-WEB.pdf
Hmm. I have one of those here somewhere. Perfectly good router, except
it's too slow for everyday use on my network.
I don't have much hooked to my router, but I have three TP-Link 8-port switches daisy-chained and most of the ports are full. :) Nice switch because you can hook things up any which way with any cable you have,
and it autosenses and everything works, and unlike most, the unit
doesn't get hot. Plug 'em in and they Just Work.
Wired ethernet is more reliable and WAAAAY faster (20x to 200x depending
on your port capacity). But wifi does work reliably with XP.
Wifi will never be as secure as wired, because it's broadcast to the
world, and you need to make sure security is set (if not on by default).
But so long as all the security is enabled and you have a router less
than 20 years old, it should be sufficient.
One of my small entertainments is watching wifi-enabled cars go by on
the highway. It's about 200 feet away but they still show up on any
device that's looking for wifi. Some are secure, but many are not.
It doesn't exist. And if it did, it wouldn't work with XP, and it
wouldn't be particularly secure either.
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AUGUST ABOLINS wrote:
I can't find Ed's message on the topic, but anyway. Pretend you're Ed.
I'm talkin' to Ed. :)
There's no such thing. You're probably remembering a USB-to-Ethernet
adapter. GatorCable sells a good one for very few bucks (I have four of
'em) that includes an unpowered USB hub (suitable for a mouse or
keyboard or a flash drive, not for an external HD). You can get them in
the standard larger USB plug, or in newfangled USB-C. I use them with my netbooks that don't have an ethernet port.
There are dongles that do both wifi and bluetooth, but wifi-only cost
1/4 as much.
Bluetooth is much less secure and a lot more likely to randomly fail to connect. Especially does not work well with XP. I have a BT adapter on
my XP64 box for no good reason, because it won't connect with any modern devices, and only sees about half of them. Its only virtue is it's old enough that the driver is for XP.
That's an old router (only does 10/100, gigabit has been standard a long time) but should be decent enough.
https://downloads.linksys.com/downloads/userguide/1224638533883/BEFSX41_V21_U G_B-WEB.pdf
Hmm. I have one of those here somewhere. Perfectly good router, except
it's too slow for everyday use on my network.
I don't have much hooked to my router, but I have three TP-Link 8-port switches daisy-chained and most of the ports are full. :) Nice switch because you can hook things up any which way with any cable you have,
and it autosenses and everything works, and unlike most, the unit
doesn't get hot. Plug 'em in and they Just Work.
Wired ethernet is more reliable and WAAAAY faster (20x to 200x depending
on your port capacity). But wifi does work reliably with XP.
Wifi will never be as secure as wired, because it's broadcast to the
world, and you need to make sure security is set (if not on by default).
But so long as all the security is enabled and you have a router less
than 20 years old, it should be sufficient.
One of my small entertainments is watching wifi-enabled cars go by on
the highway. It's about 200 feet away but they still show up on any
device that's looking for wifi. Some are secure, but many are not.
It doesn't exist. And if it did, it wouldn't work with XP, and it
wouldn't be particularly secure either.
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Your BT on the XP64 box, is it v4 or later?
TKS fer the router url, that page say the Output Port is called Internet port I have a earlier pdf of the manual and WAN port is the name on that jack in there. Pdf Copyright date is 2003.
Barry, In a earlier post You mentioned having many Documents open on Your taskbar.
Here, all of the things open are individual.
Task Manager, a txt file I put notes for myself to do later on the PC. Several Directories that I refer to often when I can't recall what Directory I
put a file in.
I keep Firefox open for when I open a .html file that is saved in one of my Directories, etc.
Two txt files of all the file names that I create with dir/s/-p , the second txt file has /b added to the prompt.
I use those to learn which Directory I put the file I'm looking for, in.
Wierd?, Yes!, but works for me, and helps a lot.
Right now their are 26 Taskbar Icons open.
OH!, I Forgot to mention WordWeb dictionary and PDF-XChange Viewer I keep open
to use whenever...
AUGUST ABOLINS wrote:The BT device I saw has a CAT-5 Jack on one end and a stubby antenna on the other end. No USB connector was visible. I think it was BT v4.0 .
A v4 adapter doesn't have the range as v5 or the V6 but I think it could be used from one side of the house to the other side (40 feet).
I have been thinking of finding out Manufactures names and looking at their pages , You wrote Gator Cable, I will look at their website.
I didn't know BT was less secure. I would had thought it out doing Wi-Fi . (But I don't know it all, just act like I do)
Your BT on the XP64 box, is it v4 or later?
KM> Memory exists to be used. If you have a lot, programs that can
KM> take advantage should. But they also shouldn't be wasteful, cuz
KM> they're not the only fish in the pond.
So are you saying memory has to be shared by all the programmes, just
not a bully programme?!
One would hope.... the OS usually does a fair job of juggling,
tho.
My guess would be that they changed the name from WAN to Internet as more non-technical people would understand that "this is the connector where the Internet comes in" and not "this is the WAN port".I would think You got it figured out why Linksys/Cisco changed the name.
Mike
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ED VANCE wrote:
Several instances of Explorer open can cause heap depletion (four
instances is about the practical limit, in my experience -- Nero runs
the heaps dry at 5 instances because each instance of Nero also calls an instance of Explorer). That may be your problem right there.
You don't need to keep them all open all the time -- you can make a
shortcut for each directory and put these on your desktop, appropriately named.
Another trick is to put a folder on the desktop and drag a bunch of such
junk into it. Then add the Desktop toolbar to the taskbar, and it will function exactly as the Start menu does, except it points at the
shortcuts and folders on the desktop. I use this for network locations
and other random stuff I don't want cluttering my already-cluttered
desktop. Or you can create a custom toolbar for the purpose.
This also goes for textfiles.
Firefox is the big RAM hog.
LOL. I understand this problem. I have thousands and thousands of directories, and a whole lot of them are named TEMP or STUFF.
Wehn I inventoried files about 20 years ago, I had 1.2 million files. I
hate to think what it would be today; it'd take a week just for
Properties to count them!
That sort of thing doesn't usually eat much.
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Hi Ky!
True. You go a lot more in-depth but from my view of the surface it
does seem the operatng system does a pretty good job of "keeping the
kids sharing and behaving", and even the "I'm going to stop this car
right now!" if things get too bad. <g>
.. My wife told me stop impersonating a flamingo; I had to put my foot down.
MIKE POWELL wrote to ED VANCE <=-port> I have a earlier pdf of the manual and WAN port is the name on that jack
Your BT on the XP64 box, is it v4 or later?
TKS fer the router url, that page say the Output Port is called Internet
there. Pdf Copyright date is 2003.
My guess would be that they changed the name from WAN to Internet
as more non-technical people would understand that "this is the
connector where the Internet comes in" and not "this is the WAN
port".
Hi Ed!
BTDT!! Ubuntu's icon to open directories in GUI mode has a 'Recent'
option. Not sure if XP has something similar; could possibly create a
batch file to display the newest files per directory (and might want to specify which ones to include), date restriction (such as last 3 days),
and better do a page option so the information doesn't scroll by!
EV> I keep Firefox open for when I open a .html file that is saved in
EV> one of my Directories, etc.
I'm wondering if that's causing more problems than worth. (Rhetorical.)
If the HTML file file is being used frequently (several times an hour)
might be worth keeping FX open so as to not waste too much of your time.
Here with my Virtial XP I have to use Firefox ESR and it takes 5 to 10 seconds to open whereas the current Firefox in Ubuntu takes about a
second. ...Thinking there might be a better/more efficient utility for viewing.
EV> Two txt files of all the file names that I create with dir/s/-p ,
EV> the second txt file has /b added to the prompt.
EV> I use those to learn which Directory I put the file I'm looking
EV> for, in.
EV> Wierd?, Yes!, but works for me, and helps a lot.
I'm a big fan of "if it works for you, great!". Over the years I've
learned and incorporated a lot of 'alternative' ways of doing things.
..Well, might not be a great idea to 'alternately' drive on the left in
the U.S., you knew what I meant!
As I indicated earlier, possibly incorporate a date restriction so only displays the last several days' worth, and/or specific directories.
OTOH I can visualize how those would not be necessary: all depends how
you sent up your storage.
I'm sort of pre-planning: batch file with CHOICE options so you can
tell the utility the file you want was updated x-number of days ago
(today, three days, this week, heck I don't know!), it's probably in
[dir]. Could even restrict to .txt and other filetypes. :)
EV> Right now their are 26 Taskbar Icons open.
EV> OH!, I Forgot to mention WordWeb dictionary and PDF-XChange
EV> Viewer I keep open to use whenever...
To me it seems like a lot of unneccesary open applications potentially slowing down your system. OTOH a slightly slower system might be a good trade for quicker access of frequently used applications. All depends.
.. Do 8 Hobbits = 1 Hobbyte?
True. You go a lot more in-depth but from my view of the surface it
does seem the operatng system does a pretty good job of "keeping the
kids sharing and behaving", and even the "I'm going to stop this car
right now!" if things get too bad. <g>
That's pretty much it. The days when any program could misbehave
however it liked are long gone.
.. My wife told me stop impersonating a flamingo; I had to put my foot down.
LOL Good one.
BTDT!! Ubuntu's icon to open directories in GUI mode has a 'Recent'
option. Not sure if XP has something similar; could possibly create a
batch file to display the newest files per directory (and might want to specify which ones to include), date restriction (such as last 3 days),
and better do a page option so the information doesn't scroll by!
Easiest is just to add it to the Favorites menu, which you can
organize into folders or however you like.
Mine is under
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Favorites
I also keep a lot of want-it-now stuff in QuickLaunch, which one
can organize manually here (including folders if desired):
or wherever your user-data is found; I'm Administrator.
I so thoroughly miss QuickLaunch in Win10/11 that I'm going to
have to make a new toolbar just for the purpose (or jury-rig it
through the Desktop toolbar).
EV> I keep Firefox open for when I open a .html file that is saved in
EV> one of my Directories, etc.
I'm wondering if that's causing more problems than worth. (Rhetorical.)
Firefox does leak memory, sometimes significantly. But that just
makes things slow, it doesn't prevent opening another program.
If the HTML file file is being used frequently (several times an hour)
might be worth keeping FX open so as to not waste too much of your time. Here with my Virtial XP I have to use Firefox ESR and it takes 5 to 10 seconds to open whereas the current Firefox in Ubuntu takes about a
second. ...Thinking there might be a better/more efficient utility for viewing.
Browsers are great whopping hogs on disk, take forever to load (I
expect 30 seconds or so on Ed's system), and having an SSD or
NVMe does more for performance than anything else. I use a
sacrificial NVMe for swap and cache, because it's SOOOOOO much
faster.
EV> Two txt files of all the file names that I create with dir/s/-p ,
EV> the second txt file has /b added to the prompt.
EV> I use those to learn which Directory I put the file I'm looking
EV> for, in.
I've done that. Textfile listing everything, until everything got
too big to list in a textfile.
I still put a zero-byte textfile in the root of every drive so if
I'm looking at it on the network and that called it something
stupid, I know that "MyBook" is "O on Silver".
EV> Wierd?, Yes!, but works for me, and helps a lot.
I'm a big fan of "if it works for you, great!". Over the years I've
learned and incorporated a lot of 'alternative'ways of doing things.
..Well, might not be a great idea to 'alternately' drive on the left in
the U.S., you knew what I meant!
LOL. One could try it. It's a good way to prevent falling asleep
on long night drives....
As I indicated earlier, possibly incorporate a date restriction so only displays the last several days' worth, and/or specific directories.
OTOH I can visualize how those would not be necessary: all depends how
you sent up your storage.
The only way to do a date restriction, far as I know, is to use
Search and set a date range. And that's really annoying to have
to do.
I'm sort of pre-planning: batch file with CHOICE options so you can
tell the utility the file you want was updated x-number of days ago
(today, three days, this week, heck I don't know!), it's probably in
[dir]. Could even restrict to .txt and other filetypes. :)
There's enough disconnect between the command prompt and the rest
of XP to make that not really practical.
EV> Right now their are 26 Taskbar Icons open.
EV> OH!, I Forgot to mention WordWeb dictionary and PDF-XChange
EV> Viewer I keep open to use whenever...
To me it seems like a lot of unneccesary open applications potentially slowing down your system. OTOH a slightly slower system might be a good trade for quicker access of frequently used applications. All depends.
Yeah, there are other ways to achieve the same instant-access and
NOT LOST without leaving everything open all the time.
.. Do 8 Hobbits = 1 Hobbyte?
And rabbits, rabbytes??
This is a very good question.
First, catch Hobbit.
Hi Ky!
KM> Easiest is just to add it to the Favorites menu, which you can
KM> organize into folders or however you like.
KM> Mine is under
KM> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Favorites
Ed should have a lot of options to play with!
Sort of along the line of file organization, I created a directory
called "File Cabinet" and its purpose is pretty much that: a place to
store other directories. Here too much was getting stored under my user directory (Linux: /home/barry; Windows I think plain ol' C:\) so moved
things around, created a few shortcuts, and cleaned things up.
KM> I also keep a lot of want-it-now stuff in QuickLaunch, which one
KM> can organize manually here (including folders if desired):
Here "File Cabinet" is listed as a regular directory and I also created
some shortcuts to go directly to a few directories inside the File
Cabinet directly.
KM> or wherever your user-data is found; I'm Administrator.
Hm: I'd figure 'CMMO': Chief Mucky Muck Officer! <g>
KM> I so thoroughly miss QuickLaunch in Win10/11 that I'm going to
KM> have to make a new toolbar just for the purpose (or jury-rig it
KM> through the Desktop toolbar).
Either they took it away because too few people used it or they couldn't
figure out how to make it work in the new version. :)
> EV> I keep Firefox open for when I open a .html file that is saved in
> EV> one of my Directories, etc.
> I'm wondering if that's causing more problems than worth. (Rhetorical.)
KM> Firefox does leak memory, sometimes significantly. But that just
KM> makes things slow, it doesn't prevent opening another program.
I didn't phrase that wholly: more wondering if using Firefox, which is a relatively 'huge' programme and can do a lot, was taking up unnecessary memory in Ed's system with the not-called-upon functions. Sort of IOW
would it be better to have a dedicated HTML utility taking up a small
memory footprint, (I'm definitely in my Black Box territory.)
KM> Browsers are great whopping hogs on disk, take forever to load (I
KM> expect 30 seconds or so on Ed's system), and having an SSD or
KM> NVMe does more for performance than anything else. I use a
KM> sacrificial NVMe for swap and cache, because it's SOOOOOO much
KM> faster.
Looks like when I build my new system I need to consider a few extra
pieces of hardware! Currently have a SSD for the Operating System and I
presume programmes. Know the Swap is also on it. The HDD is for data.
Ues, slower but not as likely to suddenly fail as solid state stuff.
The Virtual Machine items is mostly on a NVMe. 'Mostly' because it
appears some residual on the hard drive from the original installation.
Also using a ramdisk for temporary files: both 'note' type of documents
where don't need to be kept 'forever' on the hard drive and 'scratchpad' items.
KM> I've done that. Textfile listing everything, until everything got
KM> too big to list in a textfile.
TextFile.txt, continued to TextFile_2.txt, continued to TextFile_3.txt. ..Then at TextFile_10 realize you should have called it TextFile_01!
> EV> Wierd?, Yes!, but works for me, and helps a lot.
> I'm a big fan of "if it works for you, great!". Over the years I've
> learned and incorporated a lot of 'alternative'ways of doing things.
> ..Well, might not be a great idea to 'alternately' drive on the left in
> the U.S., you knew what I meant!
KM> LOL. One could try it. It's a good way to prevent falling asleep
KM> on long night drives....
Where's that cartoon about the wife calling the husband to warn about
the wrong-way driver and he responds "there's hundreds of them!"!!
KM> Yeah, there are other ways to achieve the same instant-access and
KM> NOT LOST without leaving everything open all the time.
I'll admit to doing it the "Microsoft Way": software is too slow so the hardware gets faster, with faster hardware the software can function
faster so let's have it do more, which slows down because the hardware
can't keep up, so faster hardware......
Like I said up there somewhere I use a SSD for the OS. On some rather old-and-slow machines I've replaced the hard drive with a solid state
one -- took a two- and three minute boot down to around 15-20 seconds.
> .. Do 8 Hobbits = 1 Hobbyte?
KM> And rabbits, rabbytes??
KM> This is a very good question.
KM> First, catch Hobbit.
Course instruction: Wyle E. Coyote. Teacher Assistant: Roadrunner.
KM> Easiest is just to add it to the Favorites menu, which you can
KM> organize into folders or however you like.
KM> Mine is under
KM> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Favorites
Ed should have a lot of options to play with!
Yeah, there are several ways, no need to leave Explorer open all
the time. More than likely that's his problem.
Sort of along the line of file organization, I created a directory
called "File Cabinet" and its purpose is pretty much that: a place to
store other directories. Here too much was getting stored under my user directory (Linux: /home/barry; Windows I think plain ol' C:\) so moved things around, created a few shortcuts, and cleaned things up.
I have so many storage places... my \Info hierarchy is best not
discussed.
KM> I also keep a lot of want-it-now stuff in QuickLaunch, which one
KM> can organize manually here (including folders if desired):
Here "File Cabinet" is listed as a regular directory and I also created
some shortcuts to go directly to a few directories inside the File
Cabinet directly.
I do that with Save a Copy (elsewhere) in LibreOffice, since it's
too dumb to remember the somewhere else. Shortcut to wherever I
put the copy.
KM> or wherever your user-data is found; I'm Administrator.
Hm: I'd figure 'CMMO': Chief Mucky Muck Officer! <g>
LOL. Should rename myself. <g>
KM> I so thoroughly miss QuickLaunch in Win10/11 that I'm going to
KM> have to make a new toolbar just for the purpose (or jury-rig it
KM> through the Desktop toolbar).
Either they took it away because too few people used it or they couldn't
Nope. Were so many screams of dismay with Win7 removing it that
they had to allow that there was a registry tweak to make it work
again.
figure out how to make it work in the new version. :)
Bingo. That, and the ability to colorize Windows however you like
-- Aero crippled it and whatever they call the Win8-and-later
screen manager can't do it at all. They seem to have copied what
KDE did about the same time. KDE used to be totally customizable
too. Now you have to muck about with a cranky theme editor.
> EV> I keep Firefox open for when I open a .html file that is saved in
> EV> one of my Directories, etc.
> I'm wondering if that's causing more problems than worth. (Rhetorical.)
KM> Firefox does leak memory, sometimes significantly. But that just
KM> makes things slow, it doesn't prevent opening another program.
I didn't phrase that wholly: more wondering if using Firefox, which is a relatively 'huge' programme and can do a lot, was taking up unnecessary memory in Ed's system with the not-called-upon functions. Sort of IOW
would it be better to have a dedicated HTML utility taking up a small
memory footprint, (I'm definitely in my Black Box territory.)
No, that's the sort of thing that gets swapped out to the, uh,
swapfile.
Just slows things down for the disk read and write, doesn't clog
things up entirely.
KM> Browsers are great whopping hogs on disk, take forever to load (I
KM> expect 30 seconds or so on Ed's system), and having an SSD or
KM> NVMe does more for performance than anything else. I use a
KM> sacrificial NVMe for swap and cache, because it's SOOOOOO much
KM> faster.
Looks like when I build my new system I need to consider a few extra
pieces of hardware! Currently have a SSD for the Operating System and I
Yeah, I have a PCIe-4x card (actually two of them) in Silver that
hosts an NVMe. With PCIe-4x slot you get full NVMe speed. With a
1x slot you only get SSD speed or less. Those 4x slots are
useless for vidcards and overkill for NICs, so might as well use
them up.
presume programmes. Know the Swap is also on it. The HDD is for data.
Ues, slower but not as likely to suddenly fail as solid state stuff.
The Virtual Machine items is mostly on a NVMe. 'Mostly' because it
appears some residual on the hard drive from the original installation.
Yeah, if you build the VM from an existing image on another
drive, it does that. Really annoying, and stupid. The only fix,
AFAIK, is to export the VM as an OVA and re-import it under a new
name so it's all in one place again.
Or make sure the source file is in the final destination
directory, so it doesn't get lost.
Also using a ramdisk for temporary files: both 'note' type of documents where don't need to be kept 'forever' on the hard drive and 'scratchpad' items.
I did that for a long time, had a lot of permanent quick-access
junk and the browser cache there. Haven't got around to doing it
on Silver, tho I should for the browser cache. At least SeaMonkey
lets me set the location!
KM> I've done that. Textfile listing everything, until everything got
KM> too big to list in a textfile.
TextFile.txt, continued to TextFile_2.txt, continued to TextFile_3.txt. ..Then at TextFile_10 realize you should have called it TextFile_01!
...8GB of textfile.txt later...
> EV> Wierd?, Yes!, but works for me, and helps a lot.
> I'm a big fan of "if it works for you, great!". Over the years I've
> learned and incorporated a lot of 'alternative'ways of doing things.
> ..Well, might not be a great idea to 'alternately' drive on the left in
> the U.S., you knew what I meant!
KM> LOL. One could try it. It's a good way to prevent falling asleep
KM> on long night drives....
Where's that cartoon about the wife calling the husband to warn about
the wrong-way driver and he responds "there's hundreds of them!"!!
LOL, but I've seen that in L.A. .... one wrongway came flying off
the ramp and landed below the overpass right in front of me.
Landed skewered on a bollard. And I was like WTF, but couldn't
stop to see (pretty sure it was no one you'd want to help).
KM> Yeah, there are other ways to achieve the same instant-access and
KM> NOT LOST without leaving everything open all the time.
I'll admit to doing it the "Microsoft Way": software is too slow so the hardware gets faster, with faster hardware the software can function
faster so let's have it do more, which slows down because the hardware
can't keep up, so faster hardware......
GRRRR!
Like I said up there somewhere I use a SSD for the OS. On some rather old-and-slow machines I've replaced the hard drive with a solid state
one -- took a two- and three minute boot down to around 15-20 seconds.
Yeah, I do that too. Tho I have a board for Paladin that isn't
any faster than Silver or the other "new" (10 year old) PCs, but
it has a native bootable NVMe slot, so will use that. Paladin's
current innards are 20 years old.
Was shocked that a 1TB NVMe has ONE memory chip the size of a
fingernail. Wherever does it keep all the data??
> .. Do 8 Hobbits = 1 Hobbyte?
KM> And rabbits, rabbytes??
KM> This is a very good question.
KM> First, catch Hobbit.
Course instruction: Wyle E. Coyote. Teacher Assistant: Roadrunner.
Final Exam: *SPLAT*
Hi Ky!
> KM> Easiest is just to add it to the Favorites menu, which you can
> KM> organize into folders or however you like.
> KM> Mine is under
> KM> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Favorites
> Ed should have a lot of options to play with!
KM> Yeah, there are several ways, no need to leave Explorer open all
KM> the time. More than likely that's his problem.
Some programmes just leak doing nothing. ...Not saying Explorer does,
just a general statement. There are also some which have problems being
left open overnight.
..I try not to leave too much in default like Documents.
> KM> or wherever your user-data is found; I'm Administrator.
> Hm: I'd figure 'CMMO': Chief Mucky Muck Officer! <g>
KM> LOL. Should rename myself. <g>
Would be a hare harder to hack!
> KM> I so thoroughly miss QuickLaunch in Win10/11 that I'm going to
> KM> have to make a new toolbar just for the purpose (or jury-rig it
> KM> through the Desktop toolbar).
> Either they took it away because too few people used it or they couldn't
KM> Nope. Were so many screams of dismay with Win7 removing it that
KM> they had to allow that there was a registry tweak to make it work
KM> again.
I must admit it makes one feel good when the people at corporate trained
in this stuff can't figure it out either.
> figure out how to make it work in the new version. :)
KM> Bingo. That, and the ability to colorize Windows however you like
KM> -- Aero crippled it and whatever they call the Win8-and-later
KM> screen manager can't do it at all. They seem to have copied what
KM> KDE did about the same time. KDE used to be totally customizable
KM> too. Now you have to muck about with a cranky theme editor.
The good news is I tend to leave the colours alone -- probably mostly
because I'm "tint blind" (I can see colours but...) and so tend to leave alone because a revision tends to screw something else up later.
As for the 'why broke', could probbaly list a bunch and all be guessing: wrong comment character, four space indent instead of three, faulty
statement closure.... And those are just a few on the ones I've made! <g>
KM> Just slows things down for the disk read and write, doesn't clog
KM> things up entirely.
But what happens when the Swap file gets filled? Just drops off and the
poor programme hangs because its looking for the missing part?
KM> Yeah, I have a PCIe-4x card (actually two of them) in Silver that
KM> hosts an NVMe. With PCIe-4x slot you get full NVMe speed. With a
KM> 1x slot you only get SSD speed or less. Those 4x slots are
KM> useless for vidcards and overkill for NICs, so might as well use
KM> them up.
Yes: may as well use the hardware to its full ability. minimizing the bottlenecks. ...I try to buy motherboards with a few extra slots,
mainly for expansion and hardware updates (thinking of an old example
back when USB3 was just coming out: I could add a USB3 daughtercard and
so update my system).
> presume programmes. Know the Swap is also on it. The HDD is for data.
> Ues, slower but not as likely to suddenly fail as solid state stuff.
> The Virtual Machine items is mostly on a NVMe. 'Mostly' because it
> appears some residual on the hard drive from the original installation.
KM> Yeah, if you build the VM from an existing image on another
KM> drive, it does that. Really annoying, and stupid. The only fix,
KM> AFAIK, is to export the VM as an OVA and re-import it under a new
KM> name so it's all in one place again.
KM> Or make sure the source file is in the final destination
KM> directory, so it doesn't get lost.
I'm going to have to check that out better -- right now a few other But
First items in line. ...Does seem wrong it decides to put some of the installation on the hard drive when it has been told to use a faster
media. Sure, hard drives are safer recovery-wise but that's what
backups are for!
> Also using a ramdisk for temporary files: both 'note' type of documents
> where don't need to be kept 'forever' on the hard drive and 'scratchpad'
> items.
KM> I did that for a long time, had a lot of permanent quick-access
KM> junk and the browser cache there. Haven't got around to doing it
KM> on Silver, tho I should for the browser cache. At least SeaMonkey
KM> lets me set the location!
I'd guess some of the problem is old programming: the utility was
originally told to put it somewhere on the hard drive, the location
based on some other installation parameters, and since hard-coded to
update would require a major (read "PITB"!) rewrite. ...Modern hard
drives are suitably fast, right?! <g>
> KM> I've done that. Textfile listing everything, until everything got
> KM> too big to list in a textfile.
>
> TextFile.txt, continued to TextFile_2.txt, continued to TextFile_3.txt.
> ..Then at TextFile_10 realize you should have called it TextFile_01!
KM> ...8GB of textfile.txt later...
At least not written using EDLIN and have to go back to make a
correction!
More dramatic than my one-way experiences! First ones were shortly
after I learned to drive and worked Downtown: the city decided to make
some streets one-way to improve traffic flow. The shall we say
'established' drived were semi-thinking these were still two-way streets
and so every so often would travel the wrong direction. ...I quickly
learned to always look both ways no matter what the sign says! Still
do.
> KM> Yeah, there are other ways to achieve the same instant-access and
> KM> NOT LOST without leaving everything open all the time.
> I'll admit to doing it the "Microsoft Way": software is too slow so the
> hardware gets faster, with faster hardware the software can function
> faster so let's have it do more, which slows down because the hardware
> can't keep up, so faster hardware......
KM> GRRRR!
Updates keep the economy flowing!
> Like I said up there somewhere I use a SSD for the OS. On some rather
> old-and-slow machines I've replaced the hard drive with a solid state
> one -- took a two- and three minute boot down to around 15-20 seconds.
KM> Yeah, I do that too. Tho I have a board for Paladin that isn't
KM> any faster than Silver or the other "new" (10 year old) PCs, but
KM> it has a native bootable NVMe slot, so will use that. Paladin's
KM> current innards are 20 years old.
Yes, I think I have at least two computers in use currently which are
around that old. They don't get used all the time and I'll admit to
glancing at the BIOS boot stuff but don 't recall the date. ...Off
currently so can't remote into them.
KM> Was shocked that a 1TB NVMe has ONE memory chip the size of a
KM> fingernail. Wherever does it keep all the data??
Inside that fingernail thing! <g> ...Yes, it's kind of funny
remembering back when my XT had rows of black Chicklets just to get up
to 640K of memory!!
> > .. Do 8 Hobbits = 1 Hobbyte?
> KM> And rabbits, rabbytes??
> KM> This is a very good question.
> KM> First, catch Hobbit.
> Course instruction: Wyle E. Coyote. Teacher Assistant: Roadrunner.
KM> Final Exam: *SPLAT*
But back then they had resiliance! <squeaky opening noise as rock/anvil/whatever shakes/quivers and finally opens to reveal our barely-scathed hero>
.. The reclusive French inventor of the sandal: Philippe Philoppe.
> KM> Easiest is just to add it to the Favorites menu, which you can
> KM> organize into folders or however you like.
> KM> Mine is under
> KM> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Favorites
> Ed should have a lot of options to play with!
KM> Yeah, there are several ways, no need to leave Explorer open all
KM> the time. More than likely that's his problem.
Some programmes just leak doing nothing. ...Not saying Explorer does,
just a general statement. There are also some which have problems being left open overnight.
Firefox leaks RAM, and always has (sometimes spectacularly).
Explorer usually doesn't, at least not in Win2k/XP or later.
Using up the heaps is a different problem.
Memory leaks and sloppy use slow you down, but it just goes out
to the swapfile. Running out of fixed-size resources brings you
to a halt, because there ain't no more.
..I try not to leave too much in default like Documents.
I never use My Documents except for stupid programs like VLC's
screenshot function that don't know no different and I can't be
arsed to see if it can be changed in its excessively long and
cranky options menu.
> KM> or wherever your user-data is found; I'm Administrator.
> Hm: I'd figure 'CMMO': Chief Mucky Muck Officer! <g>
KM> LOL. Should rename myself. <g>
Would be a hare harder to hack!
And might hack you back! Never mess with the Chief Pett-- er,
Mucky Much Officer!
An exchange between two of my characters...
"How'd you get the three scars on the back of your leg?"
"That was the green young lieutenant learning how not to go
through razor wire. Always listen to your sergeant. He's smarter
than you."
> KM> I so thoroughly miss QuickLaunch in Win10/11 that I'm going to
> KM> have to make a new toolbar just for the purpose (or jury-rig it
> KM> through the Desktop toolbar).
> Either they took it away because too few people used it or they couldn't
KM> Nope. Were so many screams of dismay with Win7 removing it that
KM> they had to allow that there was a registry tweak to make it work
KM> again.
I must admit it makes one feel good when the people at corporate trained
in this stuff can't figure it out either.
They don't listen to the enlisted either!
> figure out how to make it work in the new version. :)
KM> Bingo. That, and the ability to colorize Windows however you like
KM> -- Aero crippled it and whatever they call the Win8-and-later
KM> screen manager can't do it at all. They seem to have copied what
KM> KDE did about the same time. KDE used to be totally customizable
KM> too. Now you have to muck about with a cranky theme editor.
The good news is I tend to leave the colours alone -- probably mostly because I'm "tint blind" (I can see colours but...) and so tend to leave alone because a revision tends to screw something else up later.
I need it to be NOT GLAREY, and NOT HIGH CONTRAST either.
This is
not possible to achieve with Win8, and is only a little better
with Win10/11 and KDE. It's not that I care so much what the
colors are (for some reason I think Trinity should be green and
lavender, a combo I use nowhere else, while XP is all shades of
grey with a little dark blue trim) but they have to be restful on
the eyes. Grey workspace with black print is best, but in
"modern" desktops is really difficult to achieve. http://doomgold.com/images/linux/trinity-snapshot3.jpg
As for the 'why broke', could probably list a bunch and all be guessing: wrong comment character, four space indent instead of three, faulty statement closure.... And those are just a few on the ones I've made! <g>
It broke because the video servers (what the OS uses to speak to
the display) were rebuilt from scratch and the way the new ones
do things is more HULKSPLAT on the screen and less drawing of
individual elements, so now colors for window decorations,
workspace, and the like can only be bulk-controlled and not set
for each element like it used to be. And why colors are all
screwed up for programs too old to know about the "new" interface
(so they just get generic white everywhere). That's the nutshell,
as I understand it.
I do most of my work in an editing program that is "too old" but
also has no equivalent replacement. All the modern editors make a
disaster of the RTF (no it does not need all the print placement
crap bloating up the file and confusing ebook formatters!) and
none of them have a really functional bulk search that can do a
whole directory at once AND open/go-to-spot in the relevant files
as needed. (WPDOS could, but it was ugly.)
There is no dedicated RTF editor for linux at all. "You can use LibreOffice." No I can't, even ignoring the lack of bulk search
and the crap performance on big files, and the weird bugs it
likes to insert, the RTF is so ugly it has to be converted to
HTML3.2 and back to strip out all the junk before it can be used
for anything else, such as an ebook (unless you really enjoy
fighting with the layout). Now, find me something that only knows
HTML3.2 and can do this. Hint: it's my everyday editor.
KM> Just slows things down for the disk read and write, doesn't clog
KM> things up entirely.
But what happens when the Swap file gets filled? Just drops off and the poor programme hangs because its looking for the missing part?
Unless you've set it differently, the swapfile on Windows is
dynamic. It doesn't have a problem unless you run out of disk
space.
I normally set it to 4GB nowadays, what with all our big disks
and large RAM, and exile it to the sacrificial NVMe. It's only
there at all to make dumb programs happy, like most image
editors. Otherwise I'd disable it entirely (and did, for many
years).
Dunno how Everything On One Big Disk linux does it, but in sane
distros it's on its own partition that you never see, and
typically 4GB.
KM> Yeah, I have a PCIe-4x card (actually two of them) in Silver that
KM> hosts an NVMe. With PCIe-4x slot you get full NVMe speed. With a
KM> 1x slot you only get SSD speed or less. Those 4x slots are
KM> useless for vidcards and overkill for NICs, so might as well use
KM> them up.
Yes: may as well use the hardware to its full ability. minimizing the bottlenecks. ...I try to buy motherboards with a few extra slots,
mainly for expansion and hardware updates (thinking of an old example
back when USB3 was just coming out: I could add a USB3 daughtercard and
so update my system).
That's the idea! and yeah, I have a whole collection of those
USB3 cards. And can't find where I put the new one intended for
Paladin's upgrade. It has one, but old and 2 slots, the new one
has 7 or 8.
> presume programmes. Know the Swap is also on it. The HDD is for data.
> Ues, slower but not as likely to suddenly fail as solid state stuff.
> The Virtual Machine items is mostly on a NVMe. 'Mostly' because it
> appears some residual on the hard drive from the original installation.
KM> Yeah, if you build the VM from an existing image on another
KM> drive, it does that. Really annoying, and stupid. The only fix,
KM> AFAIK, is to export the VM as an OVA and re-import it under a new
KM> name so it's all in one place again.
KM> Or make sure the source file is in the final destination
KM> directory, so it doesn't get lost.
I'm going to have to check that out better -- right now a few other But First items in line. ...Does seem wrong it decides to put some of the installation on the hard drive when it has been told to use a faster
media. Sure, hard drives are safer recovery-wise but that's what
backups are for!
It's just braindead. Who thought leaving body parts wherever it
first found them was a good idea??
I imagine it was meant for large networks so you only need one
copy of whatever, but still, it should at least copy over
everything it needs, in case you're not connected when you need
it.
> Also using a ramdisk for temporary files: both 'note' type of documents
> where don't need to be kept 'forever' on the hard drive and 'scratchpad'
> items.
KM> I did that for a long time, had a lot of permanent quick-access
KM> junk and the browser cache there. Haven't got around to doing it
KM> on Silver, tho I should for the browser cache. At least SeaMonkey
KM> lets me set the location!
I'd guess some of the problem is old programming: the utility was
originally told to put it somewhere on the hard drive, the location
based on some other installation parameters, and since hard-coded to
update would require a major (read "PITB"!) rewrite. ...Modern hard
drives are suitably fast, right?! <g>
No, it's done mostly to make it "transparent" (invisible) to the
user. "You don't need to worry about this." Yes I do, because the
way YOU did it MAKES me worry about it, because it puts
tremendous wear and tear on my SSDs, which I have to pay to
replace when your stupid browser wears them out.
You can move the cache in Chrome but it requires dumpster diving
in the registry. Dunno how you'd do it with linux.
Finally
managed to convince Supermium on that, tho I see it's got an
extra letter tacked onto the function name. Oh well, so long as
it works it can speak with a cheap Chinese accent.
Shortcut properties:
C:\Internet\Browsers\Supermium\chrome.exe --disk-cache-dir="S:\ChromeCachee"
And it doesn't have the Chrome registry entry, far as I could
find. But at least it's given up using the main OS SSD for its
GIGO.
> KM> I've done that. Textfile listing everything, until everything got
> KM> too big to list in a textfile.
> TextFile.txt, continued to TextFile_2.txt, continued to TextFile_3.txt.
> ..Then at TextFile_10 realize you should have called it TextFile_01!
KM> ...8GB of textfile.txt later...
At least not written using EDLIN and have to go back to make a
correction!
EEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
More dramatic than my one-way experiences! First ones were shortly
after I learned to drive and worked Downtown: the city decided to make
some streets one-way to improve traffic flow. The shall we say 'established' drived were semi-thinking these were still two-way streets
and so every so often would travel the wrong direction. ...I quickly learned to always look both ways no matter what the sign says! Still
do.
Really!
Great Falls, where I grew up, has a two-way Central Avenue, then
a pair of one-ways to either side (First N and S go one way,
Second N or S go the other). It works great. You have good
through traffic in both directions and you can avoid most of the
downtown traffic, yet it doesn't cause problems for business
because at worst you might have to go around the block. And it's
been this way since the city was first laid out (it was a planned
grid, so the one-ways only go ONE PLACE, not any damn where).
Thre are a couple perpendicular pairs too, that function equally
well.
Billings, where I am now, grew randomly in all directions and has
random one-ways in all directions to no apparent purpose, and
they ARE much of the downtown traffic, and sometimes you can't
get from one to the other (if the other even exists, which it may
not) to go back the other direction, because there's some
diagonal splat of streets between. I gave up trying to sort out
the spaghetti and just avoid them. I suppose those who've had to
put up with them for the past 30 years (when they were first
instituted) are used to them, but for the newcomer... NO. Just
AVOID.
> KM> Yeah, there are other ways to achieve the same instant-access and
> KM> NOT LOST without leaving everything open all the time.
> I'll admit to doing it the "Microsoft Way": software is too slow so the
> hardware gets faster, with faster hardware the software can function
> faster so let's have it do more, which slows down because the hardware
> can't keep up, so faster hardware......
KM> GRRRR!
Updates keep the economy flowing!
Let's break all their stuff so they have to buy new!
> Like I said up there somewhere I use a SSD for the OS. On some rather
> old-and-slow machines I've replaced the hard drive with a solid state
> one -- took a two- and three minute boot down to around 15-20 seconds.
KM> Yeah, I do that too. Tho I have a board for Paladin that isn't
KM> any faster than Silver or the other "new" (10 year old) PCs, but
KM> it has a native bootable NVMe slot, so will use that. Paladin's
KM> current innards are 20 years old.
Yes, I think I have at least two computers in use currently which are
around that old. They don't get used all the time and I'll admit to glancing at the BIOS boot stuff but don 't recall the date. ...Off currently so can't remote into them.
If they do the job, why not? I used Paladin for everyday for a
long time... there is nothing so permanent as a temporary camp.
KM> Was shocked that a 1TB NVMe has ONE memory chip the size of a
KM> fingernail. Wherever does it keep all the data??
Inside that fingernail thing! <g> ...Yes, it's kind of funny
remembering back when my XT had rows of black Chicklets just to get up
to 640K of memory!!
Magic. "Honey, I shrunk the data!"
> > .. Do 8 Hobbits = 1 Hobbyte?
> KM> And rabbits, rabbytes??
> KM> This is a very good question.
> KM> First, catch Hobbit.
> Course instruction: Wyle E. Coyote. Teacher Assistant: Roadrunner.
KM> Final Exam: *SPLAT*
But back then they had resiliance! <squeaky opening noise as rock/anvil/whatever shakes/quivers and finally opens to reveal our barely-scathed hero>
LOL. My guys think this sounds like their lives. Except with more scathing.
.. The reclusive French inventor of the sandal: Philippe Philoppe.
Oh, I gotta find you the Sandal video...
KM> Firefox leaks RAM, and always has (sometimes spectacularly).
KM> Explorer usually doesn't, at least not in Win2k/XP or later.
KM> Using up the heaps is a different problem.
KM> Memory leaks and sloppy use slow you down, but it just goes out
KM> to the swapfile. Running out of fixed-size resources brings you
KM> to a halt, because there ain't no more.
That's why I build a fast computer with lots of RAM: to compensate for
those! <g>
> ..I try not to leave too much in default like Documents.
KM> I never use My Documents except for stupid programs like VLC's
KM> screenshot function that don't know no different and I can't be
KM> arsed to see if it can be changed in its excessively long and
KM> cranky options menu.
Yes, I've used some programmes where the options aren't too optional,
and have to dig down seven levels to get to the one I want. Suppose it
made sense to the developer..... Also remember from my Windows days
some utilities forced themselves to only use the C: drive. D:? No!
But... I don't care!
> > KM> or wherever your user-data is found; I'm Administrator.
> > Hm: I'd figure 'CMMO': Chief Mucky Muck Officer! <g>
> KM> LOL. Should rename myself. <g>
> Would be a hare harder to hack!
KM> And might hack you back! Never mess with the Chief Pett-- er,
KM> Mucky Much Officer!
That's "Muck" and not "Much". ...At least not 'Mush'!
KM> An exchange between two of my characters...
KM> "How'd you get the three scars on the back of your leg?"
KM> "That was the green young lieutenant learning how not to go
KM> through razor wire. Always listen to your sergeant. He's smarter
KM> than you."
Only three? Quick learner!
> I must admit it makes one feel good when the people at corporate trained
> in this stuff can't figure it out either.
KM> They don't listen to the enlisted either!
We're at the top of the ladder so we know better! (If you insist!)
KM> I need it to be NOT GLAREY, and NOT HIGH CONTRAST either.
Yes: too much or too little and two sore eyes!
KM> This is
KM> not possible to achieve with Win8, and is only a little better
KM> with Win10/11 and KDE. It's not that I care so much what the
KM> colors are (for some reason I think Trinity should be green and
KM> lavender, a combo I use nowhere else, while XP is all shades of
KM> grey with a little dark blue trim) but they have to be restful on
KM> the eyes. Grey workspace with black print is best, but in
KM> "modern" desktops is really difficult to achieve.
KM> http://doomgold.com/images/linux/trinity-snapshot3.jpg
Not bad! I tend to go with semi-plain backgrounds just so not
distracting or accidentally think a desktop pattern is a live minimized window, Or an initially 'busy' pattern/picture: on the Raspberry Pi I
use as an isolation router has a picture of the Brooklyn Bridge. The
bridge is in the center and desktop icons at the top where not much
going on in the picture.
> As for the 'why broke', could probably list a bunch and all be guessing:
> wrong comment character, four space indent instead of three, faulty
> statement closure.... And those are just a few on the ones I've made! <g>
KM> It broke because the video servers (what the OS uses to speak to
KM> the display) were rebuilt from scratch and the way the new ones
KM> do things is more HULKSPLAT on the screen and less drawing of
KM> individual elements, so now colors for window decorations,
KM> workspace, and the like can only be bulk-controlled and not set
KM> for each element like it used to be. And why colors are all
KM> screwed up for programs too old to know about the "new" interface
KM> (so they just get generic white everywhere). That's the nutshell,
KM> as I understand it.
Makes sense, though sounds like they're going backwards instead of
advancing colour rendition: this section is all <blue94> instead of this
item is <blue93>, this section <blue94>,,,<blue95>, etc. (Probably
sloppy in the details, but the general idea.)
KM> I do most of my work in an editing program that is "too old" but
KM> also has no equivalent replacement. All the modern editors make a
KM> disaster of the RTF (no it does not need all the print placement
KM> crap bloating up the file and confusing ebook formatters!) and
KM> none of them have a really functional bulk search that can do a
KM> whole directory at once AND open/go-to-spot in the relevant files
KM> as needed. (WPDOS could, but it was ugly.)
I have also found some of the old/antique programmes did a much better
job. Might have something to do with the old programmes had less
details' to work with and so the results were more precise.
Half-thinking as an exaample something simple like the single- and
double quotes: I'll import and/or create notes in a word processor.
Looks decent - not fancy. Copy and paste into a script utility, still
looks right except for one little detail which screws up the works:
those quote marks are wrong! The single quote is angled, the double
quotes are open quote and close quote options (both angled). The script utility wants the straight up-and-down-plain-ASCII version!
KM> There is no dedicated RTF editor for linux at all. "You can use
KM> LibreOffice." No I can't, even ignoring the lack of bulk search
As I understand it from my limited usage it will work but not fully and
with the nuances.
KM> and the crap performance on big files, and the weird bugs it
KM> likes to insert, the RTF is so ugly it has to be converted to
KM> HTML3.2 and back to strip out all the junk before it can be used
KM> for anything else, such as an ebook (unless you really enjoy
KM> fighting with the layout). Now, find me something that only knows
KM> HTML3.2 and can do this. Hint: it's my everyday editor.
Hmmm: that sort of mimics some of the "it shouldn't be doing that"
quirks in some of the LibreOffice documents I create. My primary
occasional quirks are with picture wrapping: why is the text going
through when I told it not to? - that sort of thing. (At this point not worth for me to find a differnt word processor. Quite something
different fr your professional use.)
> KM> Just slows things down for the disk read and write, doesn't clog
> KM> things up entirely.
> But what happens when the Swap file gets filled? Just drops off and the
> poor programme hangs because its looking for the missing part?
KM> Unless you've set it differently, the swapfile on Windows is
KM> dynamic. It doesn't have a problem unless you run out of disk
KM> space.
I haven't used Windows in years save for the Virtual Machine running the
BBS stuff. I haven't noted any chnage in Linux's Swap file but also
haven't been keeping a close eye on it.
KM> Dunno how Everything On One Big Disk linux does it, but in sane
KM> distros it's on its own partition that you never see, and
KM> typically 4GB.
This Ubuntu system has a 2 GB Swap and all is free; been over a week
since the last reboot (required by a system update). The MythTV Server
has been up for over a month (again because of a system update) and its
2GB Swap has 1 GB used. No idea why because of the 32 GB RAM only 2.1
GB is used.
KM> That's the idea! and yeah, I have a whole collection of those
KM> USB3 cards. And can't find where I put the new one intended for
KM> Paladin's upgrade. It has one, but old and 2 slots, the new one
KM> has 7 or 8.
I've got a couple of daughtercards with four external USB3 slots. I'll usually have a motherboard with 1- 2- or 3 built-in USB3's and nice ot
have more. AFAIK can always use a USB3 for a USB2 device.
KM> It's just braindead. Who thought leaving body parts wherever it
KM> first found them was a good idea??
Other than the forensic examiners probably no body! <g>
> I'd guess some of the problem is old programming: the utility was
> originally told to put it somewhere on the hard drive, the location
> based on some other installation parameters, and since hard-coded to
> update would require a major (read "PITB"!) rewrite. ...Modern hard
> drives are suitably fast, right?! <g>
KM> No, it's done mostly to make it "transparent" (invisible) to the
KM> user. "You don't need to worry about this." Yes I do, because the
KM> way YOU did it MAKES me worry about it, because it puts
KM> tremendous wear and tear on my SSDs, which I have to pay to
KM> replace when your stupid browser wears them out.
And my needs wantts and desires are not the same as theirs. I would
prefer some sort of hand-holding option if I don't know what I'm doing
(and I'll admit sometmes that's barely over the line!) but I may have a reason for wanting something like a 10 GB ramdisk even though 90% of the other users might be happy with 10 MB.
KM> Finally
KM> managed to convince Supermium on that, tho I see it's got an
KM> extra letter tacked onto the function name. Oh well, so long as
KM> it works it can speak with a cheap Chinese accent.
A lot of Linux's user configuration files seem to have 'rc' tacked to
the end: ansiweather --> ansiweatherrc
KM> Shortcut properties:
KM> C:\Internet\Browsers\Supermium\chrome.exe
KM> --disk-cache-dir="S:\ChromeCachee"
That's not Chinese, that's French: "cah-shee"! <g>
KM> And it doesn't have the Chrome registry entry, far as I could
KM> find. But at least it's given up using the main OS SSD for its
KM> GIGO.
Less wear and tear.
> At least not written using EDLIN and have to go back to make a
> correction!
KM> EEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
I remember typing letters to my parents on the computer; correcting
spelling by adding or subtracting a letter or two usually wasn't too
bad; add or subtract a word......
When I was working and a few blocks from the store would go on a four-
lane one way -- correct direction, of course! About once every two
weeks I'd see someone going the wrong way, apparently "just because" was easier for them to potentially get in an accident than go around the
block.
KM> Great Falls, where I grew up, has a two-way Central Avenue, then
KM> a pair of one-ways to either side (First N and S go one way,
KM> Second N or S go the other). It works great. You have good
KM> through traffic in both directions and you can avoid most of the
KM> downtown traffic, yet it doesn't cause problems for business
KM> because at worst you might have to go around the block. And it's
KM> been this way since the city was first laid out (it was a planned
KM> grid, so the one-ways only go ONE PLACE, not any damn where).
KM> Thre are a couple perpendicular pairs too, that function equally
KM> well.
Nashua, NH, where I grew up, was established in the mid 1700's and had
an usually wide Main Street: residential portion where we lived was at
one time four lines (2 northbound, two southbound) but that got switched semi-quickly to one wider lane each direction with a center turn lane because people thought "4 lines - pedal to the metal!". The Downtown
portion had at least two lanes each direction -- seems like three in
some sections, plus diagonal parking on both sides. (Pedestrian got a workout just crossing the street! <g>)
Some of the Downtown sidestreets were the 'tradional' East Coast skinny
lane and a few were made into the one-ways to help move traffic.
KM> Billings, where I am now, grew randomly in all directions and has
KM> random one-ways in all directions to no apparent purpose, and
KM> they ARE much of the downtown traffic, and sometimes you can't
KM> get from one to the other (if the other even exists, which it may
KM> not) to go back the other direction, because there's some
KM> diagonal splat of streets between. I gave up trying to sort out
KM> the spaghetti and just avoid them. I suppose those who've had to
KM> put up with them for the past 30 years (when they were first
KM> instituted) are used to them, but for the newcomer... NO. Just
KM> AVOID.
Haha: that sounds like some of the original sectinn of Davenport (IA).
Main Street is more or less a side street located between the main
streets: Brady northbound and Harrison southbound. ("Main Street" not
being the main street isn't uncommon. I'm not even sure if Bettendorf
has a "Main St.".) ...Back to Davenport, I've some across more than a
few streets which don't line up at an intersection. Also a few streets
which are somewhat of a main side street but they'll just stop and
then continue a few blocks later.
..Bettendorf isn't immune to quirky streets: Robeson is something like
the handle on a coffee cup: turn on to it, travel for about two blocks,
and now you're back on the same street you turned off of!
> > KM> Yeah, there are other ways to achieve the same instant-access and
> > KM> NOT LOST without leaving everything open all the time.
> > I'll admit to doing it the "Microsoft Way": software is too slow so the
> > hardware gets faster, with faster hardware the software can function
> > faster so let's have it do more, which slows down because the hardware
> > can't keep up, so faster hardware......
> KM> GRRRR!
> Updates keep the economy flowing!
KM> Let's break all their stuff so they have to buy new!
Wasn't that Windows' secret business phrase?! <g>
> Yes, I think I have at least two computers in use currently which are
> around that old. They don't get used all the time and I'll admit to
> glancing at the BIOS boot stuff but don 't recall the date. ...Off
> currently so can't remote into them.
KM> If they do the job, why not? I used Paladin for everyday for a
KM> long time... there is nothing so permanent as a temporary camp.
<chuckle> Yup! One little 'quirk' I'm running in to is many of the
computers around here need to also run MythTV (record and watch TV
shows). Right now I'm on version 31, which requires a certain minimum version of Ubuntu (20.04? maybe 18.04). The various versions of Ubuntu require certain hardware minimums, so the computer can effectively only
be so old. ...I did run into a problem with a specific computer having problems running (20.04?) but was fine running (18.04?).
So I think when I eventually update to the current MythTV, MythTV will require a minimum level of Ubuntu and that little specification will
probably kill off this old computer.
KM> Magic. "Honey, I shrunk the data!"
It is interesting how the computing size has been made microscopic. I remember in the early 70's going into one of the computer rooms and they
had rows and rows of stands with what looked like what my Mother put the finished cake in. Hard drives, maybe a megabyte each. (Maybe more, I
know I never asked.) Now I've got a Raspberry Pi 5 with 8 GB plus a 1TB NVMe, in a case in a box that's about the sixe of two or three decks of playing cards stached together!
> > > .. Do 8 Hobbits = 1 Hobbyte?
> > KM> And rabbits, rabbytes??
> > KM> This is a very good question.
> > KM> First, catch Hobbit.
> > Course instruction: Wyle E. Coyote. Teacher Assistant: Roadrunner.
> KM> Final Exam: *SPLAT*
> But back then they had resiliance! <squeaky opening noise as
> rock/anvil/whatever shakes/quivers and finally opens to reveal our
> barely-scathed hero>
KM> LOL. My guys think this sounds like their lives. Except with more
KM> scathing.
Tell Bram 'hi!'.
> .. The reclusive French inventor of the sandal: Philippe Philoppe.
KM> Oh, I gotta find you the Sandal video...
Jimmy Buffett?!
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