• Re: Resend Isolation Dia

    From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Jun 17 19:36:04 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 12-Jun-2020 12:14 <=-

    Interesting.... all the degree signs in this message turned into 'o-with-umlaut' whether in old quoted sections (including mine) or in
    your new reply bits... and stayed so when put into my editor for my
    reply... I also noticed that the fraction you used (in describing the
    shorting plug) didn't translate either... And all your reply messages to
    the end of this packet had remapped the double arrowheads you use around
    your signature section (to - and r)... it was fine before this message,
    and the last returned for the message you entered later warning that you
    might not be here on Monday...

    Bleah for the middle of May! We had a 29 freeze yesterday morning
    [snip]
    Drizzling and 53, though three days ago wasn't nearly as warm as 80!
    You might be getting part of the same system we have been having --
    which is five or six inches of rain the past few days. Doesn't help
    getting anything done in the yard; oh well, the time will come.
    I don't think we got nearly as much rain, then or even since... I
    only saw heavy rain one day... We did get those awfully hot days
    beginning of last week... yesterday was barely 60 with the low into
    the 40s, the house ended up cooling more than I wanted it to....! By
    the end of the week we'll be in the 70s, one day's supposed to be 83,
    I forget which, but then back to the 70s, which is pleasant and
    properly seasonable... :)
    Last Monday the roofers were here to replace due to the hail-damage.
    I saw the official temperature at 92 but the thermometer here at the house said 99 and general it's pretty accurate compared to the TV reporting maps: the house is more or less centered between the NWS at
    the larger airport in Moline (IL) and the municipal one in Davenport
    (IA) -- each is less than ten miles.

    Even the 92 is too hot... especially for roofing....

    Tuesday and Wednesday Cristobal visited and left some rain. Thursday (yesterday) mostly sunny but cooler -- evening was 63; there was a
    power failure in the middle of the afternoon so I lost the earlier ansiweather readings I leave in Terminal -- think low 80's. Late
    morning Friday and 78 out there.

    Well it is almost summer, I guess.... ;)

    Actually, I do read the messages as they come in... it's just the
    replying to that takes so long... ;) Unless I'm actually away, and
    then they get read when I return, of course... ;)
    So you're caught up yet behind!
    Sorta... ;) At this point, by the time I'm answering these older
    messages, I don't really recall all the interim answers... but I am
    still reading them all when they first come in... so, for instance,
    I saw that a set of Apr 18th messages came in from Daryl in last
    night's packet... guess his setup workings let a few more old unsent
    messages go out.... this time to ILink chat... ;)
    Yes, the mail tossers will sometimes do 'strange' things to older messages. May have been uploaded on one system but a new system will
    see them as new so upload them again: "they look new to me!".

    I don't think they'd ever gone out from Daryl's system... I'd not seen
    them anywhere before (at least the ones that went out into Fidonet
    echoes intermittently), so they weren't dupes from earlier... just ones
    he'd written weeks before that hadn't gone out...

    <Virtual school>
    This was when he was only a first-grader, at least... ;)
    First grade we can probably still handle!
    Yeah... didn't really have to teach him anything, either, just make
    sure he did the paperwork to turn in when we got home, as I recall....
    Back in the Olde Days when I was in elementary school I remember doing
    my school work in my room but I don't recall being helped nor asking
    for help, yet I know I had to have been helped because I know Dad
    'untrained' me from the New Math and we went back to the 'Old Math' --
    maybe that's a repressed memory! <g>
    Probably sufficiently traumatic... <G>
    <chuckle> Possibly! I don't really remember directly but the family stories of how I got really confused and Dad had to 'de-programme'
    from the New Math and went back to the Old Math with modifications to semi-understand the New Math teachings. I rely a little too much on a calculator, though can usually tell when I've entered an incorrect
    number, and do do some simple math on paper.

    I try to make a practice of not using the calculator, mostly... using
    more for checking later... or for very complicated proceedings...

    And do do sometimes the "Reverse Polish Notation" math: $2.99 + $5.99
    is $3 + $6, so $9 and then take off the two cents: $8.98!

    That's a good trick for doing mental math... works great.... :)

    As for helping Autumn next year
    in first grade, at this point more a play by ear. Her mother will
    probably do to the bulk of homewhork assistance. her father is smart
    but not overly patient with the academics; he'd be good for the
    mechanicals: shoebox diorama type stuff. We'll be on-call as needed;
    here is usually play time, though every so often the play is School.
    She probably wouldn't be needing much help until she gets farther
    along anyway.... and I suspect turning school into play would be
    more her style as well.. :)
    Yes. Here school is 'over' as far as the official school year is concerned. Her parents (mother mainly) are glad as less stuff that
    has to be done that day. Still continuing learning, just at a more
    casual pace as opposed to a structured one.

    She does tend to absorb learning along the way nicely... ;)

    As for next school year -- presuming they're going back to the
    classroom but not 100% certain. Have heard snippets of the various
    local school boards are considering various options, asking for
    parental input on what they would like to do, what worked and didn't
    work last session (during COVID-19), etc.

    There's still a lot of things up in the air, since things really aren't
    known about how things really are tracking...

    So obviously a trusted neighbour if has a key.
    Indeed... by that time we were already watching out for each other's
    houses, and each had a key to the other's house... when we first
    moved in, she'd come over and said that the neighborhood had a motto,
    Since we're neighbors, let's be friends... and that quickly became
    the case... :)
    Good concept. Here most are staying isolated/independent (talking pre-COVID-19) but still keeping a casual eye on each other.

    We've not had that sort of relationship with any others of our neighbors
    since, there is at least the casual eye on each other, the wave and
    quick "how ya doing".... even now, in these stranger times.... :)

    I know a lot of times
    I walked home from school -- didn't have a key, just walked in to the
    house though the basement. (OMG! The house was _unlocked_??!!)
    Eventually the basement was finished and a wall erected between the
    garage and basement -- two doors, but still didn't need a key. Yes,
    they were locked. ...A certain section of the door trim was hollowed
    and a push-button switch was hidden: push the trim in the right place
    and would activate an electric door latch.
    That was convenient... :) And less than readily obvious... :)
    Yes. Also had a small outlet -- was literally a two-prong outlet but
    the snap-in front-panel size, about 3/8" x 1" that had a shorting
    plug plugged in to it. (Sort of hidden.) Remove the plug, no
    electricity to the door latches even if pressed the molding to activate the hidden switch. (The house has been sold a few times -- bet the current owners have no idea of those locks, nor the older 'sneaky' alarms.)

    Depends on whether or not the info was passed along with the keys to
    the house.... ;)

    True: relatively easy to maintain the social distancing in an
    otherwise unoccupied building. Even if closed there is probably some
    activity: check to make sure someone hasn't broken in, make sure the
    water pipes are intact, etc. Teachers would probably be able to get to
    their classrooms to pick up rosters and texts -- "hey, what's this
    discolouration?" and have it checked out. ..Or the cleaning staff:
    not needed nearly as frequently because no body to make a mess but
    they'd have to clean away cobwebs, etc.
    But some presence in the building... :)
    True. Quite certain a very thorough inspection wil be made before
    opening the schools back up.

    I'd expect so... :)

    Yes, I was just thinking of at the store we'd periodically have a
    clear-out of the refrigerator (and its freezer) because Mystery Items
    would be left to evolve.
    Since this was just a closedown and not a castastrophe, one would
    hope that someone would have thought to check that sort of thing out
    at the beginning.... get rid of any Mystery Items or not reclaimed
    things when people left for the unexpected vacation....
    I would assume so, yes. It would seem logical (oops!) the
    refrigerators and freezers would have been cleaned out by someone after
    a reasonable period of time to allow the owner time to collect.

    One would think... ;)

    Technology marches on, leaving obsolescence in its wake... <G>
    (I quote a tagline, I think....)
    Or would make a good one!
    I'll look for it... ;) [Edited to add: found it, and see that
    the spelling needs correcting... I'll take care of that later... <G>]
    Sounds like a But First to me! <g> And this also serves as a subtle reminder if you haven't gotten around to it yet. :)

    I don't remember now if I did or not... ;)

    As for technology marching on, yes; generally for good. Trash truck
    just picked up a can -- probably recyclable by the sound as it was
    poured in to the truck. Old days couple of guys emptying the can into
    the back of the truck; now just the driver who pushes a button to
    activate the robotic arm. (And there's probably a lot of technology
    in that arm to make sure it self-aligns, doesn't extend too far or not
    far enough.) The two trashmen on the back are no longer present (well,
    on that truck) and so have had to find other employment.
    They probably are driving the extra refuse/recycle trucks... ;)
    Possibly! I had not heard of any layoffs due to the new (at the time) collection process.

    I'd guess they just shifted personnel within the department... :)

    LIS in earlier messages did pick up a small box of Ginger Tea and had
    some yesterday -- was good! Probably another one later today as not
    going to get outside -- stopped raining but overcast and damp out
    there.
    And the tea can be so comforting... ;)
    I'll not go quite that far but tastes good, so sort of an equivalent
    to the 'comforting'.

    OK.. :)

    - r
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    - @Q.COM r
    - r

    Leaving so that you can see the re-map of your usual characters...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Nancy Backus on Thu Jun 18 02:16:00 2020
    Nancy,

    I don't think they'd ever gone out from Daryl's system... I'd not seen them anywhere before (at least the ones that went out into Fidonet
    echoes intermittently), so they weren't dupes from earlier... just ones he'd written weeks before that hadn't gone out...

    I think I'm caught up now...but I just do mail runs once a day, to
    avoid corrupting the message bases.

    There's still a lot of things up in the air, since things really aren't known about how things really are tracking...

    And, it will be that way for quite awhile, I'm afraid.

    Daryl

    ... I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.
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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Jun 18 12:34:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Interesting.... all the degree signs in this message turned into 'o-with-umlaut' whether in old quoted sections (including mine)
    or in your new reply bits... and stayed so when put into my
    editor for my reply... I also noticed that the fraction you used
    (in describing the shorting plug) didn't translate either... And
    all your reply messages to the end of this packet had remapped
    the double arrowheads you use around your signature section (to -
    and r)... it was fine before this message, and the last returned
    for the message you entered later warning that you might not be
    here on Monday...

    Hmmm: nothing was changed on this end. I did notice in one of my quote-
    backs a day or two ago (possible Daryl) the mis-translation of a high-
    ASCII character.


    Bleah for the middle of May! We had a 29 freeze yesterday morning

    That came through as o-umlaut for the degree symbol, <== superscript
    circle.

    [snip]
    Drizzling and 53, though three days ago wasn't nearly as warm as 80!
    You might be getting part of the same system we have been having --
    which is five or six inches of rain the past few days. Doesn't help
    getting anything done in the yard; oh well, the time will come.
    I don't think we got nearly as much rain, then or even since... I
    only saw heavy rain one day... We did get those awfully hot days
    beginning of last week... yesterday was barely 60 with the low into
    the 40s, the house ended up cooling more than I wanted it to....! By
    the end of the week we'll be in the 70s, one day's supposed to be 83,
    I forget which, but then back to the 70s, which is pleasant and
    properly seasonable... :)
    Last Monday the roofers were here to replace due to the hail-damage.
    I saw the official temperature at 92 but the thermometer here at the house said 99 and general it's pretty accurate compared to the TV reporting maps: the house is more or less centered between the NWS at
    the larger airport in Moline (IL) and the municipal one in Davenport
    (IA) -- each is less than ten miles.
    Even the 92 is too hot... especially for roofing....

    Yours came through correctly: 92 followed by the degree symbol.

    It's officially 83 outside currently and the neighbour a few houses
    down is having their roof replaced. Yesterday two neighbours the block
    behind us were having their roofs replaced. ...May not be the high but
    did get tp at least 82 yesterday. Today supposed to get to 90.





    Tuesday and Wednesday Cristobal visited and left some rain. Thursday (yesterday) mostly sunny but cooler -- evening was 63; there was a
    power failure in the middle of the afternoon so I lost the earlier ansiweather readings I leave in Terminal -- think low 80's. Late
    morning Friday and 78 out there.
    Well it is almost summer, I guess.... ;)

    Getting there!


    Actually, I do read the messages as they come in... it's just the
    replying to that takes so long... ;) Unless I'm actually away, and
    then they get read when I return, of course... ;)
    So you're caught up yet behind!
    Sorta... ;) At this point, by the time I'm answering these older
    messages, I don't really recall all the interim answers... but I am
    still reading them all when they first come in... so, for instance,
    I saw that a set of Apr 18th messages came in from Daryl in last
    night's packet... guess his setup workings let a few more old unsent
    messages go out.... this time to ILink chat... ;)
    Yes, the mail tossers will sometimes do 'strange' things to older messages. May have been uploaded on one system but a new system will
    see them as new so upload them again: "they look new to me!".
    I don't think they'd ever gone out from Daryl's system... I'd not
    seen them anywhere before (at least the ones that went out into
    Fidonet echoes intermittently), so they weren't dupes from
    earlier... just ones he'd written weeks before that hadn't gone
    out...

    Probably. I don't recall if he had messages to go out before his system
    had problems. Do recall he was able to download QWKs and reply to them
    but had a bad command line and the REP portion wasn't working.


    <Virtual school>
    This was when he was only a first-grader, at least... ;)
    First grade we can probably still handle!
    Yeah... didn't really have to teach him anything, either, just make
    sure he did the paperwork to turn in when we got home, as I recall....
    Back in the Olde Days when I was in elementary school I remember doing
    my school work in my room but I don't recall being helped nor asking
    for help, yet I know I had to have been helped because I know Dad
    'untrained' me from the New Math and we went back to the 'Old Math' --
    maybe that's a repressed memory! <g>
    Probably sufficiently traumatic... <G>
    <chuckle> Possibly! I don't really remember directly but the family stories of how I got really confused and Dad had to 'de-programme'
    from the New Math and went back to the Old Math with modifications to semi-understand the New Math teachings. I rely a little too much on a calculator, though can usually tell when I've entered an incorrect
    number, and do do some simple math on paper.
    I try to make a practice of not using the calculator, mostly...
    using more for checking later... or for very complicated
    proceedings...

    Like "5 + 8". <ggg> LISB4, there's some sort of under-flowing math processing going on so I usually know when a number has been mis-entered
    -- into the calculator or to the journal.


    And do do sometimes the "Reverse Polish Notation" math: $2.99 + $5.99
    is $3 + $6, so $9 and then take off the two cents: $8.98!
    That's a good trick for doing mental math... works great.... :)

    Yup! Even when don't need the detail of the exact cents (.98 in the
    earlier example) know the answer is going to be a hare less than $9, so
    if for whatever reason coming up with ten or eight something's wrong.


    As for helping Autumn next year
    in first grade, at this point more a play by ear. Her mother will
    probably do to the bulk of homewhork assistance. her father is smart
    but not overly patient with the academics; he'd be good for the
    mechanicals: shoebox diorama type stuff. We'll be on-call as needed;
    here is usually play time, though every so often the play is School.
    She probably wouldn't be needing much help until she gets farther
    along anyway.... and I suspect turning school into play would be
    more her style as well.. :)
    Yes. Here school is 'over' as far as the official school year is concerned. Her parents (mother mainly) are glad as less stuff that
    has to be done that day. Still continuing learning, just at a more
    casual pace as opposed to a structured one.
    She does tend to absorb learning along the way nicely... ;)

    Appears so. :) I haven't heard of any issues other than the one like
    your son had: I know the answer, you know I know the answer, so why
    waste time. Or not finishing lesson plans because wants a break to do something else for a while. She doesn't quite realize the need to
    finish this 'job' before starting the next. Both essentially the same
    issue.


    As for next school year -- presuming they're going back to the
    classroom but not 100% certain. Have heard snippets of the various
    local school boards are considering various options, asking for
    parental input on what they would like to do, what worked and didn't
    work last session (during COVID-19), etc.
    There's still a lot of things up in the air, since things really
    aren't known about how things really are tracking...

    Yes, and the plan could be to open and some event occur effecting
    last-minute changes. ...At this point I'd be thinking "it's back to
    school" but also make considerations for home-schooling.


    So obviously a trusted neighbour if has a key.
    Indeed... by that time we were already watching out for each other's
    houses, and each had a key to the other's house... when we first
    moved in, she'd come over and said that the neighborhood had a motto,
    Since we're neighbors, let's be friends... and that quickly became
    the case... :)
    Good concept. Here most are staying isolated/independent (talking pre-COVID-19) but still keeping a casual eye on each other.
    We've not had that sort of relationship with any others of our
    neighbors since, there is at least the casual eye on each other,
    the wave and quick "how ya doing".... even now, in these stranger times.... :)

    Yes, LIS some other time, this isn't an all that close neighbourhood but
    most (including us) at least keep an eye out for if something's not
    right.



    I know a lot of times
    I walked home from school -- didn't have a key, just walked in to the
    house though the basement. (OMG! The house was _unlocked_??!!)
    Eventually the basement was finished and a wall erected between the
    garage and basement -- two doors, but still didn't need a key. Yes,
    they were locked. ...A certain section of the door trim was hollowed
    and a push-button switch was hidden: push the trim in the right place
    and would activate an electric door latch.
    That was convenient... :) And less than readily obvious... :)
    Yes. Also had a small outlet -- was literally a two-prong outlet but
    the snap-in front-panel size, about 3/8" x 1" that had a shorting
    plug plugged in to it. (Sort of hidden.) Remove the plug, no
    electricity to the door latches even if pressed the molding to activate the hidden switch. (The house has been sold a few times -- bet the current owners have no idea of those locks, nor the older 'sneaky' alarms.)
    Depends on whether or not the info was passed along with the keys
    to the house.... ;)

    I'm thinking not. Know when I was still living there my Mother wanted a speaker in the back yard -- don't recall why it wasn't a simple battery- powered radio, but a wired speaker into the speaker system throughout
    the house. Wasn't loud enough outside so the speaker cabinet had a
    small amplifier inside -- so two speaker leads and two more for the
    power to the amp. Connector on the outside of the house. Might have
    been figured out as long as the speaker hadn't been discarded, but then
    also needed to have an audio feed from the main radio/amplifier in the
    Den, and part pf that system was moved to the new house.




    Yes, I was just thinking of at the store we'd periodically have a
    clear-out of the refrigerator (and its freezer) because Mystery Items
    would be left to evolve.
    Since this was just a closedown and not a castastrophe, one would
    hope that someone would have thought to check that sort of thing out
    at the beginning.... get rid of any Mystery Items or not reclaimed
    things when people left for the unexpected vacation....
    I would assume so, yes. It would seem logical (oops!) the
    refrigerators and freezers would have been cleaned out by someone after
    a reasonable period of time to allow the owner time to collect.
    One would think... ;)

    Maybe that's where Daryl had his hot dogs! <g>


    Technology marches on, leaving obsolescence in its wake... <G>
    (I quote a tagline, I think....)
    Or would make a good one!
    I'll look for it... ;) [Edited to add: found it, and see that
    the spelling needs correcting... I'll take care of that later... <G>]
    Sounds like a But First to me! <g> And this also serves as a subtle reminder if you haven't gotten around to it yet. :)
    I don't remember now if I did or not... ;)

    As always if not sooner then later!




    - r
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    - @Q.COM r
    - r
    Leaving so that you can see the re-map of your usual
    characters...

    Legible enough for humans to read still. See how it comes out with this
    upload -- LIS appears your degree symbol came through correctly. Plus
    I'll need to update that address as it's the DSL one. No 'port
    forwarding' as with telephone numbers!


    Barry_Martin_3@
    @Q.COM



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Jun 26 17:07:16 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 18-Jun-2020 12:34 <=-

    Interesting.... all the degree signs in this message turned into
    'o-with-umlaut' whether in old quoted sections (including mine) or in
    your new reply bits... and stayed so when put into my editor for my
    reply... I also noticed that the fraction you used (in describing the
    shorting plug) didn't translate either... And all your reply messages
    to the end of this packet had remapped the double arrowheads you use
    around your signature section (to - and r)... it was fine before this
    message, and the last returned for the message you entered later
    warning that you might not be here on Monday...
    Hmmm: nothing was changed on this end. I did notice in one of my quote-backs a day or two ago (possible Daryl) the mis-translation of a high-ASCII character.

    Probably just a fluke-y thing... hasn't happened since, and within the
    further reply sections of this message, they map properly again with no problem... I think Daryl had replied to this same message, but got to it earlier than I did... <G>

    Bleah for the middle of May! We had a 29 freeze yesterday morning
    That came through as o-umlaut for the degree symbol, <== superscript circle.

    Yup, and worked fine afterward.... :)

    I don't think we got nearly as much rain, then or even since... I
    only saw heavy rain one day... We did get those awfully hot days
    beginning of last week... yesterday was barely 60 with the low into
    the 40s, the house ended up cooling more than I wanted it to....! By
    the end of the week we'll be in the 70s, one day's supposed to be 83,
    I forget which, but then back to the 70s, which is pleasant and
    properly seasonable... :)
    Last Monday the roofers were here to replace due to the hail-damage.
    I saw the official temperature at 92 but the thermometer here at the
    house said 99 and general it's pretty accurate compared to the TV
    reporting maps: the house is more or less centered between the NWS at
    the larger airport in Moline (IL) and the municipal one in Davenport
    (IA) -- each is less than ten miles.
    Even the 92 is too hot... especially for roofing....
    Yours came through correctly: 92 followed by the degree symbol.

    Yes, I see that.... :)

    It's officially 83 outside currently and the neighbour a few houses
    down is having their roof replaced. Yesterday two neighbours the
    block behind us were having their roofs replaced. ...May not be the
    high but did get to at least 82 yesterday. Today supposed to get to
    90.

    (degree symbol still working, I see) I guess one shouldn't be too
    unhappy about the heat... it is summer now, after all...

    Yes, the mail tossers will sometimes do 'strange' things to older
    messages. May have been uploaded on one system but a new system will
    see them as new so upload them again: "they look new to me!".
    I don't think they'd ever gone out from Daryl's system... I'd not seen
    them anywhere before (at least the ones that went out into Fidonet
    echoes intermittently), so they weren't dupes from earlier... just
    ones he'd written weeks before that hadn't gone out...
    Probably. I don't recall if he had messages to go out before his
    system had problems. Do recall he was able to download QWKs and reply
    to them but had a bad command line and the REP portion wasn't working.

    And I think those REPs stacked up.... ;)

    <chuckle> Possibly! I don't really remember directly but the family
    stories of how I got really confused and Dad had to 'de-programme'
    from the New Math and went back to the Old Math with modifications to
    semi-understand the New Math teachings. I rely a little too much on a
    calculator, though can usually tell when I've entered an incorrect
    number, and do do some simple math on paper.
    I try to make a practice of not using the calculator, mostly... using
    more for checking later... or for very complicated proceedings...
    Like "5 + 8". <ggg> LISB4, there's some sort of under-flowing math processing going on so I usually know when a number has been
    mis-entered -- into the calculator or to the journal.

    Yup, it helps if the brain is kinda running a sanity check while one is
    doing the calculating, in whichever form... :)

    And do do sometimes the "Reverse Polish Notation" math: $2.99 + $5.99
    is $3 + $6, so $9 and then take off the two cents: $8.98!
    That's a good trick for doing mental math... works great.... :)
    Yup! Even when don't need the detail of the exact cents (.98 in the earlier example) know the answer is going to be a hare less than $9,
    so if for whatever reason coming up with ten or eight something's
    wrong.

    Yup. :)

    She probably wouldn't be needing much help until she gets farther
    along anyway.... and I suspect turning school into play would be
    more her style as well.. :)
    Yes. Here school is 'over' as far as the official school year is
    concerned. Her parents (mother mainly) are glad as less stuff that
    has to be done that day. Still continuing learning, just at a more
    casual pace as opposed to a structured one.
    She does tend to absorb learning along the way nicely... ;)
    Appears so. :) I haven't heard of any issues other than the one like
    your son had: I know the answer, you know I know the answer, so why
    waste time. Or not finishing lesson plans because wants a break to do something else for a while. She doesn't quite realize the need to
    finish this 'job' before starting the next. Both essentially the same issue.

    Learning how to learn and how to be taught... ;)

    As for next school year -- presuming they're going back to the
    classroom but not 100% certain. Have heard snippets of the various
    local school boards are considering various options, asking for
    parental input on what they would like to do, what worked and didn't
    work last session (during COVID-19), etc.
    There's still a lot of things up in the air, since things really
    aren't known about how things really are tracking...
    Yes, and the plan could be to open and some event occur effecting last-minute changes. ...At this point I'd be thinking "it's back to school" but also make considerations for home-schooling.

    One thing we've all learned... be ready with contingency plans... ;)

    they were locked. ...A certain section of the door trim was hollowed
    and a push-button switch was hidden: push the trim in the right place
    and would activate an electric door latch.
    That was convenient... :) And less than readily obvious... :)
    Yes. Also had a small outlet -- was literally a two-prong outlet but
    the snap-in front-panel size, about 3/8" x 1" that had a shorting
    plug plugged in to it. (Sort of hidden.) Remove the plug, no
    electricity to the door latches even if pressed the molding to activate
    the hidden switch. (The house has been sold a few times -- bet the
    current owners have no idea of those locks, nor the older 'sneaky'
    alarms.)
    Depends on whether or not the info was passed along with the keys
    to the house.... ;)
    I'm thinking not. Know when I was still living there my Mother wanted
    a speaker in the back yard -- don't recall why it wasn't a simple battery-powered radio, but a wired speaker into the speaker system throughout the house. Wasn't loud enough outside so the speaker
    cabinet had a small amplifier inside -- so two speaker leads and two
    more for the power to the amp. Connector on the outside of the house. Might have been figured out as long as the speaker hadn't been
    discarded, but then also needed to have an audio feed from the main radio/amplifier in the Den, and part of that system was moved to the
    new house.

    So fewer clues for the new owners... or for subsequent ones.... :)

    Technology marches on, leaving obsolescence in its wake... <G>
    (I quote a tagline, I think....)
    Or would make a good one!
    I'll look for it... ;) [Edited to add: found it, and see that
    the spelling needs correcting... I'll take care of that later... <G>]
    Sounds like a But First to me! <g> And this also serves as a subtle
    reminder if you haven't gotten around to it yet. :)
    I don't remember now if I did or not... ;)
    As always if not sooner then later!

    As always... ;)

    - r
    - Barry_Martin_3@ r
    - @Q.COM r
    - r
    Leaving so that you can see the re-map of your usual characters...
    Legible enough for humans to read still. See how it comes out with
    this upload -- LIS appears your degree symbol came through correctly. Plus I'll need to update that address as it's the DSL one. No 'port forwarding' as with telephone numbers!

    Barry_Martin_3@
    @Q.COM


    Worked fine, as you can see.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jun 27 17:17:00 2020
    Nancy,

    Probably just a fluke-y thing... hasn't happened since, and within the further reply sections of this message, they map properly again with no problem... I think Daryl had replied to this same message, but got to
    it earlier than I did... <G>

    You may get ahead of me this next week...thunderstorms are forecast most every day. But, I'd rather have wet roofs and wet lawns before July 4; so errant fireworks and sparks don't set these on fire.

    And I think those REPs stacked up.... ;)

    It was that way here, until I fixed the archiver glitch.

    Yup, it helps if the brain is kinda running a sanity check while one is doing the calculating, in whichever form... :)

    When it comes to sane, I'm with the IN crowd. <G>

    One thing we've all learned... be ready with contingency plans... ;)

    Even the Space Shuttle had triple redundancy.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jun 27 09:29:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Interesting.... all the degree signs in this message turned into
    'o-with-umlaut' whether in old quoted sections (including mine) or in
    your new reply bits... and stayed so when put into my editor for my
    reply... I also noticed that the fraction you used (in describing the
    shorting plug) didn't translate either... And all your reply messages
    to the end of this packet had remapped the double arrowheads you use
    around your signature section (to - and r)... it was fine before this
    message, and the last returned for the message you entered later
    warning that you might not be here on Monday...
    Hmmm: nothing was changed on this end. I did notice in one of my quote-backs a day or two ago (possible Daryl) the mis-translation of a high-ASCII character.
    Probably just a fluke-y thing... hasn't happened since, and
    within the further reply sections of this message, they map
    properly again with no problem... I think Daryl had replied to
    this same message, but got to it earlier than I did... <G>

    Yes, I noticed things being corrected. One reason why I tend not to get
    in a rush to fix something as frequently fixes itself. Have been bitten
    a few times, but usually is right.


    It's officially 83 outside currently and the neighbour a few houses
    down is having their roof replaced. Yesterday two neighbours the
    block behind us were having their roofs replaced. ...May not be the
    high but did get to at least 82 yesterday. Today supposed to get to
    90.
    (degree symbol still working, I see) I guess one shouldn't be
    too unhappy about the heat... it is summer now, after all...

    Right. This morning was a we-should-open-the-windows-for-a-while 68. Quickly decided against that by looking at the next line: 94% humidity! Supposed to be in the low 90's later today (Saturday, June 27) and the
    next several days.


    Yes, the mail tossers will sometimes do 'strange' things to older
    messages. May have been uploaded on one system but a new system will
    see them as new so upload them again: "they look new to me!".
    I don't think they'd ever gone out from Daryl's system... I'd not seen
    them anywhere before (at least the ones that went out into Fidonet
    echoes intermittently), so they weren't dupes from earlier... just
    ones he'd written weeks before that hadn't gone out...
    Probably. I don't recall if he had messages to go out before his
    system had problems. Do recall he was able to download QWKs and reply
    to them but had a bad command line and the REP portion wasn't working.
    And I think those REPs stacked up.... ;)

    Looks to have! I had a problem with one of my REP sets but I think it
    was a 'bad finger routine' on my end: didn't give the right commands as
    I'm not used to doing and upload and then download together -- had
    finished the day previous' packet that morning, so upload then download.
    I don't see the confirmation listing during the upload as the machine
    goes on to the next step too quickly -- have to scroll back but had done
    the download so the scroll buffer didn't have the REP portion any
    longer. Something just didn't seem quite right so kept the old REPs,
    added a 'may be a duplicate' and re-inserted them later.



    <chuckle> Possibly! I don't really remember directly but the family
    stories of how I got really confused and Dad had to 'de-programme'
    from the New Math and went back to the Old Math with modifications to
    semi-understand the New Math teachings. I rely a little too much on a
    calculator, though can usually tell when I've entered an incorrect
    number, and do do some simple math on paper.
    I try to make a practice of not using the calculator, mostly... using
    more for checking later... or for very complicated proceedings...
    Like "5 + 8". <ggg> LISB4, there's some sort of under-flowing math processing going on so I usually know when a number has been
    mis-entered -- into the calculator or to the journal.
    Yup, it helps if the brain is kinda running a sanity check while
    one is doing the calculating, in whichever form... :)

    Yes, and maybe that REP episode above is another example. I don't
    recall seeing anything but it didn't seem right. Or the Data LED being
    off on the fiber optic modem -- the tech didn't seem to mind and one interpretation of the manual's statement would seem to make it OK,
    but....


    She probably wouldn't be needing much help until she gets farther
    along anyway.... and I suspect turning school into play would be
    more her style as well.. :)
    Yes. Here school is 'over' as far as the official school year is
    concerned. Her parents (mother mainly) are glad as less stuff that
    has to be done that day. Still continuing learning, just at a more
    casual pace as opposed to a structured one.
    She does tend to absorb learning along the way nicely... ;)
    Appears so. :) I haven't heard of any issues other than the one like
    your son had: I know the answer, you know I know the answer, so why
    waste time. Or not finishing lesson plans because wants a break to do something else for a while. She doesn't quite realize the need to
    finish this 'job' before starting the next. Both essentially the same issue.
    Learning how to learn and how to be taught... ;)

    All part of the learning process.


    As for next school year -- presuming they're going back to the
    classroom but not 100% certain. Have heard snippets of the various
    local school boards are considering various options, asking for
    parental input on what they would like to do, what worked and didn't
    work last session (during COVID-19), etc.
    There's still a lot of things up in the air, since things really
    aren't known about how things really are tracking...
    Yes, and the plan could be to open and some event occur effecting last-minute changes. ...At this point I'd be thinking "it's back to school" but also make considerations for home-schooling.
    One thing we've all learned... be ready with contingency plans...
    ;)

    Definitely! There have been announcements on this week's news of
    various school districts on both sides of the River having meetings/
    virtual meetings to discuss various options, what worked, what didn't,
    what sort of did and so needs tweaking.

    The Iowa School Board seems to have passed a resolution the schools will
    not be requiring students to wear masks, have temperature checks,
    probably also social distancing but allowing the individual districts to require. I'm thinking at least temperature checks as an initial line of defense. Ideally would be before accessing the school bus in the
    morning, walker and drop-off students using a different entrance to the
    school to avoid the bused students having to be checked a second time
    (which would make the line go faster too!) and potentially re-mixing the groups/


    they were locked. ...A certain section of the door trim was hollowed
    and a push-button switch was hidden: push the trim in the right place
    and would activate an electric door latch.
    That was convenient... :) And less than readily obvious... :)
    Yes. Also had a small outlet -- was literally a two-prong outlet but
    the snap-in front-panel size, about 3/8" x 1" that had a shorting
    plug plugged in to it. (Sort of hidden.) Remove the plug, no
    electricity to the door latches even if pressed the molding to activate
    the hidden switch. (The house has been sold a few times -- bet the
    current owners have no idea of those locks, nor the older 'sneaky'
    alarms.)
    Depends on whether or not the info was passed along with the keys
    to the house.... ;)
    I'm thinking not. Know when I was still living there my Mother wanted
    a speaker in the back yard -- don't recall why it wasn't a simple battery-powered radio, but a wired speaker into the speaker system throughout the house. Wasn't loud enough outside so the speaker
    cabinet had a small amplifier inside -- so two speaker leads and two
    more for the power to the amp. Connector on the outside of the house. Might have been figured out as long as the speaker hadn't been
    discarded, but then also needed to have an audio feed from the main radio/amplifier in the Den, and part of that system was moved to the
    new house.
    So fewer clues for the new owners... or for subsequent ones....
    :)

    Unfortunately for them yes. Or at least in the way I see things in my
    mind. Outdoor speaker, probably now listening to streaming music on the
    cell phone or WiFi box.


    - r
    - Barry_Martin_3@ r
    - @Q.COM r
    - r
    Leaving so that you can see the re-map of your usual characters...
    Legible enough for humans to read still. See how it comes out with
    this upload -- LIS appears your degree symbol came through correctly.
    Plus I'll need to update that address as it's the DSL one. No 'port forwarding' as with telephone numbers!

    Barry_Martin_3@
    @Q.COM

    Worked fine, as you can see.... :)

    Yep. Now to update the address - but first - on to the next message!


    Barry_Martin_3@
    @Q.COM



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