• Re: Resend Covid-19 was:

    From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Jun 17 18:12:20 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 12-Jun-2020 09:56 <=-

    celebrations. The other advantage is there has been time to prepare:
    not like "sorry Charlie, no graduation/birthday/etc. event next week".
    I'm thinking maybe the ability to plan for/create an alternative
    festivity helps: "I can do something".
    That could help... :) And knowing that it isn't just them, but
    everybody in their class, all around the world, could also be a
    little bit of a, well not exactly a comfort, but at least a
    mitigating factor...
    Yes; sort of 'sharing the misery' makes one feel better, at least not alone in the situation. Local TV station did have six or seven hours
    of programming on their primary channel (6.1) last Saturday late
    morning and pretty much all afternoon dedicating an hour each for
    various Iowa-side high schools graduations.

    That was a nice gesture... :) Here, the governor decreed that groups of
    up to 150 people could gather (with proper distancing and masks etc) for in-person graduations... obviously it would mean that larger classes
    would have to break into much smaller groups, but it still would be
    closer to normal... :)

    (The studio is on this side; I didn't see/hear where the two
    Illinois-side stations were doing anything similar.)

    You'd almost have to have been channel-surfing to find out, probably...

    Of course! Put the blame on someone else for their ignorance /
    zealousness. Maybe Gov. Pritzger (IL) did overstep his authority; I
    don't think any place in the U.S. has laws on the books for this
    situation. Something had to be done, and sometimes overstepping is
    required.
    Yup. And even when it's necessary, there's still lots of
    second-guessing after the fact...
    Right: no one _knows_, it's pretty much all scientific guessing and
    computer models. It acts similar to <other illness> which has a
    history. While I'm sort of of the New Hampshire 'Live Free or Die'
    attitude there are times to back down and follow.
    Especially, if the "or Die" is a distinct possibility to follow from
    Living Free as well....
    In most situations I'd probably give up some freedom in order to live.

    Indeed... :)

    For me it's more not open yet so can't do it, whatever the 'it' is. I
    agree with the closures so no reason to fight it. I'm probably not
    going to rush out as the various "its" re-open: give time for them to
    settle into the new routine, plus others will be rushing out and I
    wasn't a crowd person before.
    Neither am I... crowds are mostly something to avoid for me, too..
    I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too
    uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience
    or gathering.
    Well enough controlled and not too noisy, yes, I'd agree... <G>
    There's one "it" reopening that I will be in the forefront for, and
    that's my massage, whenever my therapist gets the green light...
    She's put me at the top of her list... It almost happened Saturday,
    but then she found out she couldn't reopen yet, after all...
    Soooo close! Good news is she put you at the top of her list:
    probably means a combination of needing the care more urgently but also probably a good/nice client. :)

    At this point, she's a friend, too... but mostly it's that she does know
    how urgent my need is... And now, finally, it has opened, and I had my
    first rub in three months Saturday, with another scheduled for this
    Saturday... I normally have them weekly, to keep pain under control...

    Well, there is the 'keep learning' aspect, and also the 'if it
    works why change' part.... :)
    Agree to both. :) One gets stale without learning new things, though sometimes less frustrating to stick with the old. I'd hate to have a tube-type computer -- I 'complain' about the noise from the air conditioner -- imagine the constant clacking of the relays!!

    Some things there is good reason to update... <G>

    Yes - my guess is the hoarders have decided they have plenty
    squirreled away, the supply may be low but not critical. As I've
    mentioned, the toilet paper and paper towels section at Hy-Vee is
    reasonably well-stocked. Yes, some holes and almost-empties; quite
    sure the limit of one has helped but also thinking lessening of the
    hoarding.
    Paper goods have pretty much gone back to normal, though not quite
    fully stocked everywhere... still a lot of holes in the cleaning
    supplies and things like gloves and sanitizers...
    Yes. During yesterday's shopping sort of noticed low stock in general cleaning supplies; paper goods filling back up but still not to normal levels. (Just realized I didn't notice any 'limit of one' signs at
    toilet paper/paper towels. Didn't need so just zipped by following the one-way aisles signage.)

    Little by little returning to normal... ;)

    They did have several grab-basket displays of hand sanitizer: noticed
    by Pharmacy and at the checkouts. Didn't recognize the brand; quite a
    few of the local and regional mini-breweries temporarily coverted to producing hand sanitizer so could have been one of them.

    I've heard of that happening other places as well... Shouldn't be
    running out of sanitiser now.... ;)

    Spotty holes in tuna fish, pizza and frozen foods -- might be due to a
    supply issue or could also be people are eating at home: tuna
    casserole, pizza, frozen meals.
    Or that might be a form of hoarding, too... shelf-stable or frozen,
    as long as one has room to stock, one can do some stockpiling... I
    have twice now bought a Family Pack (10 cans) of tuna fish to donate
    at church to a local food pantry that had asked for help.... but at
    our store, there seems to be a pretty good supply of tunafish... :)
    Makes sense. A few people grabbing a 10-pack package could create a
    few large holes rather quickly!

    At one point there was a limit 3 sign on the individual tuna cans...
    made sense to get the Family Pack instead for the food pantry... ;)

    The Frozen section at the store looked a little sparse, but then
    they're in progress of moving merchandise from the old coolers to the
    new. Pizzas will be on my left instead of my right following my usual travel direction (pre-one-way aisles).

    Yup, the remodel could be the major factor there, then... ;) If I were stocking there, I'd probably let stock dwindle some so that there would
    be fewer items that needed to be shifted to the new coolers... <G>

    Some things just aren't worth a fight. I haven't observed anyone
    getting in trouble (by whatever degree from The Look to physical) by
    going the wrong way. Most are following the directional signage, some
    have simply overlooked it.
    I think it was in BJs recently, there was an older woman, obviously
    distressed enough that she had to wear a mask to be out shopping, and
    pushing one of those big carts.... I think she might not have seen
    the floor markings for the one-way aisles, even though they are large
    red squares on the floor now...
    A relatively large number of shoppers haven't noticed the directional markings; some are ignoring to get to an item they need.

    Makes me glad that Wegmans never went to the one-way aisles... A friend
    in the Toronto area was telling about how his grocery store had the
    one-way aisles, and they took half the cashiers off the checkouts to
    have them stand guard to yell at anyone ignoring/not seeing the
    arrows... very nerve-wracking....!

    I accidentally went the wrong way in an aisle getting to raisins.
    Didn't see on my initial up-and-down wanderings. They used to be with 'baking': seems flour, evaporated milk, etc., were in the section
    before the remodel. Now in "Dried Fruits". ...At the end of my
    shopping looking for a couple of items I didn't find initially; got
    those but didn't find the raisins. Looked in the would have been in
    the old baking section - not there and sort of knew they weren't but couldn't remember what the new location was. Did ask, he knew moved to "Dried Fruit" but couldn't remember the aisle number (everything's been moved for them too!). He's reading the hanging signs and gets to the listing - got my raisins! :)

    At least you finally found them... :) And before long, customers and employees alike will get used to all the new locations... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Jun 18 12:34:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!


    celebrations. The other advantage is there has been time to prepare:
    not like "sorry Charlie, no graduation/birthday/etc. event next week".
    I'm thinking maybe the ability to plan for/create an alternative
    festivity helps: "I can do something".
    That could help... :) And knowing that it isn't just them, but
    everybody in their class, all around the world, could also be a
    little bit of a, well not exactly a comfort, but at least a
    mitigating factor...
    Yes; sort of 'sharing the misery' makes one feel better, at least not alone in the situation. Local TV station did have six or seven hours
    of programming on their primary channel (6.1) last Saturday late
    morning and pretty much all afternoon dedicating an hour each for
    various Iowa-side high schools graduations.
    That was a nice gesture... :) Here, the governor decreed that
    groups of up to 150 people could gather (with proper distancing
    and masks etc) for in-person graduations... obviously it would
    mean that larger classes would have to break into much smaller
    groups, but it still would be closer to normal... :)

    Yes, at least a degree of the public acknowledgement was able to be
    done.


    (The studio is on this side; I didn't see/hear where the two
    Illinois-side stations were doing anything similar.)
    You'd almost have to have been channel-surfing to find out,
    probably...

    Probably, and since I don't do that much channel surfing that cuts my
    chances even more. I don't recall seeing announcements during
    commercials at night on the other stations (fast forward through the commercials, but still aware of the content).


    For me it's more not open yet so can't do it, whatever the 'it' is. I
    agree with the closures so no reason to fight it. I'm probably not
    going to rush out as the various "its" re-open: give time for them to
    settle into the new routine, plus others will be rushing out and I
    wasn't a crowd person before.
    Neither am I... crowds are mostly something to avoid for me, too..
    I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too
    uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience
    or gathering.
    Well enough controlled and not too noisy, yes, I'd agree... <G>
    There's one "it" reopening that I will be in the forefront for, and
    that's my massage, whenever my therapist gets the green light...
    She's put me at the top of her list... It almost happened Saturday,
    but then she found out she couldn't reopen yet, after all...
    Soooo close! Good news is she put you at the top of her list:
    probably means a combination of needing the care more urgently but also probably a good/nice client. :)
    At this point, she's a friend, too... but mostly it's that she
    does know how urgent my need is... And now, finally, it has
    opened, and I had my first rub in three months Saturday, with
    another scheduled for this Saturday... I normally have them
    weekly, to keep pain under control...

    Glad that is finally able to done! As an isolated event between the two
    of you probably would have been perfectly healthy, just almost
    impossible to make rulings to allow this site to open and another not
    to, even though essentially the same, so everyone of a category lumped together. (Sloppy example: thinking Shop A has no kids at home but Shop
    B does so the possibility of bringing home and therefore spreading the coronavirus.)



    Well, there is the 'keep learning' aspect, and also the 'if it
    works why change' part.... :)
    Agree to both. :) One gets stale without learning new things, though sometimes less frustrating to stick with the old. I'd hate to have a tube-type computer -- I 'complain' about the noise from the air conditioner -- imagine the constant clacking of the relays!!
    Some things there is good reason to update... <G>

    All that heat from the vacuum tubes would make it cozy-warm in winter!
    As far as the window air conditioner, it's noisy only because it's a few
    feet from where I sit.


    Yes - my guess is the hoarders have decided they have plenty
    squirreled away, the supply may be low but not critical. As I've
    mentioned, the toilet paper and paper towels section at Hy-Vee is
    reasonably well-stocked. Yes, some holes and almost-empties; quite
    sure the limit of one has helped but also thinking lessening of the
    hoarding.
    Paper goods have pretty much gone back to normal, though not quite
    fully stocked everywhere... still a lot of holes in the cleaning
    supplies and things like gloves and sanitizers...
    Yes. During yesterday's shopping sort of noticed low stock in general cleaning supplies; paper goods filling back up but still not to normal levels. (Just realized I didn't notice any 'limit of one' signs at
    toilet paper/paper towels. Didn't need so just zipped by following the one-way aisles signage.)
    Little by little returning to normal... ;)

    Yes, along with a combination of getting accustomed to the new social
    rules.


    They did have several grab-basket displays of hand sanitizer: noticed
    by Pharmacy and at the checkouts. Didn't recognize the brand; quite a
    few of the local and regional mini-breweries temporarily coverted to producing hand sanitizer so could have been one of them.
    I've heard of that happening other places as well... Shouldn't be
    running out of sanitiser now.... ;)

    Probably not! LIS I have a small pocket-sized bottle I carry with me
    when I go out; refill from the larger containers which are not nearly as convenient to carry.




    Spotty holes in tuna fish, pizza and frozen foods -- might be due to a
    supply issue or could also be people are eating at home: tuna
    casserole, pizza, frozen meals.
    Or that might be a form of hoarding, too... shelf-stable or frozen,
    as long as one has room to stock, one can do some stockpiling... I
    have twice now bought a Family Pack (10 cans) of tuna fish to donate
    at church to a local food pantry that had asked for help.... but at
    our store, there seems to be a pretty good supply of tunafish... :)
    Makes sense. A few people grabbing a 10-pack package could create a
    few large holes rather quickly!
    At one point there was a limit 3 sign on the individual tuna
    cans... made sense to get the Family Pack instead for the food
    pantry... ;)

    True: usually the Family Pack is four or six cans. And frequently
    cheaper per can.


    The Frozen section at the store looked a little sparse, but then
    they're in progress of moving merchandise from the old coolers to the
    new. Pizzas will be on my left instead of my right following my usual travel direction (pre-one-way aisles).
    Yup, the remodel could be the major factor there, then... ;) If
    I were stocking there, I'd probably let stock dwindle some so
    that there would be fewer items that needed to be shifted to the
    new coolers... <G>

    Right: the less to move the easier and faster it is. A while back was chatting with the 'chips guy' -- he is from Frito-Lay and stocks daily.
    Did mention he, an assistant and probably his boss would be doing the
    move -- he wasn't looking forward to it.



    Some things just aren't worth a fight. I haven't observed anyone
    getting in trouble (by whatever degree from The Look to physical) by
    going the wrong way. Most are following the directional signage, some
    have simply overlooked it.
    I think it was in BJs recently, there was an older woman, obviously
    distressed enough that she had to wear a mask to be out shopping, and
    pushing one of those big carts.... I think she might not have seen
    the floor markings for the one-way aisles, even though they are large
    red squares on the floor now...
    A relatively large number of shoppers haven't noticed the directional markings; some are ignoring to get to an item they need.
    Makes me glad that Wegmans never went to the one-way aisles... A
    friend in the Toronto area was telling about how his grocery
    store had the one-way aisles, and they took half the cashiers off
    the checkouts to have them stand guard to yell at anyone
    ignoring/not seeing the arrows... very nerve-wracking....!

    Oh Good Grief! No, no one here yelling at customers; I haven't heard
    any issues with someone going the wrong way. The occasional grumbling
    when a customer has to go down an extra aisle over to go up the one they
    want. ...Or the 'longing look' when at the 'top' of the aisle and when
    the customer wants something about 10' from the top but they can't get
    to it because they'd have to go the wrong way. I'll give that 'conspiritorial' look and tone and give permission "I won't tell if you won't!".



    I accidentally went the wrong way in an aisle getting to raisins.
    Didn't see on my initial up-and-down wanderings. They used to be with 'baking': seems flour, evaporated milk, etc., were in the section
    before the remodel. Now in "Dried Fruits". ...At the end of my
    shopping looking for a couple of items I didn't find initially; got
    those but didn't find the raisins. Looked in the would have been in
    the old baking section - not there and sort of knew they weren't but couldn't remember what the new location was. Did ask, he knew moved to "Dried Fruit" but couldn't remember the aisle number (everything's been moved for them too!). He's reading the hanging signs and gets to the listing - got my raisins! :)
    At least you finally found them... :) And before long,
    customers and employees alike will get used to all the new
    locations... ;)

    Right. Just a matter of getting used to the new placement. The raisins
    were probably always part of "Dried Fruits", just not labelled as such,
    or I remember their location with the 'wrong' landmark (baking).


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Sat Jun 20 11:11:00 2020
    Barry,

    Oh Good Grief! No, no one here yelling at customers; I haven't heard
    any issues with someone going the wrong way. The occasional grumbling when a customer has to go down an extra aisle over to go up the one
    they want. ...Or the 'longing look' when at the 'top' of the aisle and when the customer wants something about 10' from the top but they can't get to it because they'd have to go the wrong way. I'll give that 'conspiritorial' look and tone and give permission "I won't tell if you won't!".

    At the local Wal-Mart, customers are ignoring those directional aisles,
    and not wearing masks. Most think COVID-19 is just a big hoax. If I go
    down an aisle the wrong way, it was because I got distracted, and wasn't
    paying attention.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Mon Jun 22 09:41:00 2020

    Might be a duplicate: I didn't see upload (and this is labelled
    'resend!").


    Hi Daryl!

    Oh Good Grief! No, no one here yelling at customers; I haven't heard
    any issues with someone going the wrong way. The occasional grumbling when a customer has to go down an extra aisle over to go up the one
    they want. ...Or the 'longing look' when at the 'top' of the aisle and when the customer wants something about 10' from the top but they can't get to it because they'd have to go the wrong way. I'll give that 'conspiritorial' look and tone and give permission "I won't tell if you won't!".
    At the local Wal-Mart, customers are ignoring those directional
    aisles, and not wearing masks. Most think COVID-19 is just a big
    hoax. If I go down an aisle the wrong way, it was because I got distracted, and wasn't paying attention.

    I went with a friend to Wal-Mart about two months ago -- at the time not
    too crowded and a few times did go the wrong way but didn't really
    matter as no one else around in that section. At Hy-Vee I'm 'always'
    going the wrong way if I need something at the Pharmacy or in the
    Pharmacy section. In the main part of the store I do try to follow the
    one ways since I know they're marked, and most people follow.



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Wed Jun 24 12:52:00 2020
    Barry,

    Might be a duplicate: I didn't see upload (and this is labelled 'resend!").

    If I send it six times, it makes it a sex-tet...or will that really
    screw things up?? <bseg>

    I went with a friend to Wal-Mart about two months ago -- at the time
    not too crowded and a few times did go the wrong way but didn't really matter as no one else around in that section. At Hy-Vee I'm 'always' going the wrong way if I need something at the Pharmacy or in the
    Pharmacy section. In the main part of the store I do try to follow the one ways since I know they're marked, and most people follow.

    I saw where some packaged garden salad, that was sold at HyVee and
    other places (including in Arkansas) was contaminated with bacteria
    (the name escapes me)...but folks were being told to return it, or
    throw it out. It basically causes a nasty case of food poisoning
    (nausea, cramping, diarrhea, etc.).

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Jun 25 23:55:10 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 18-Jun-2020 12:34 <=-

    Yes; sort of 'sharing the misery' makes one feel better, at least not
    alone in the situation. Local TV station did have six or seven hours
    of programming on their primary channel (6.1) last Saturday late
    morning and pretty much all afternoon dedicating an hour each for
    various Iowa-side high schools graduations.
    That was a nice gesture... :) Here, the governor decreed that groups
    of up to 150 people could gather (with proper distancing and masks
    etc) for in-person graduations... obviously it would mean that larger
    classes would have to break into much smaller groups, but it still
    would be closer to normal... :)
    Yes, at least a degree of the public acknowledgement was able to be
    done.

    And seems that instead of having big graduation parties, they're making
    up for it with setting off fireworks... every night...! Some of them
    have been seeable from our windows, and rather impressive, if probably
    not exactly legal.... ;)

    I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too
    uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience
    or gathering.
    Well enough controlled and not too noisy, yes, I'd agree... <G>
    There's one "it" reopening that I will be in the forefront for, and
    that's my massage, whenever my therapist gets the green light...
    She's put me at the top of her list... It almost happened Saturday,
    but then she found out she couldn't reopen yet, after all...
    Soooo close! Good news is she put you at the top of her list:
    probably means a combination of needing the care more urgently but
    also probably a good/nice client. :)
    At this point, she's a friend, too... but mostly it's that she does
    know how urgent my need is... And now, finally, it has opened, and I
    had my first rub in three months Saturday, with another scheduled for
    this Saturday... I normally have them weekly, to keep pain under
    control...
    Glad that is finally able to done! As an isolated event between the
    two of you probably would have been perfectly healthy, just almost impossible to make rulings to allow this site to open and another not
    to, even though essentially the same, so everyone of a category lumped together. (Sloppy example: thinking Shop A has no kids at home but
    Shop B does so the possibility of bringing home and therefore spreading the coronavirus.)

    Or just the therapist sees a lot of high-risk clients, vs not so
    high-risk.... She'd chickened out about a week before the shutdown, as
    the virus was arriving... Possibly she could have done a rub or two
    "under the radar", not at the office, but doing a home visit, but she
    wasn't ready to risk things either.... Anyway, now we are back on a
    weekly schedule, thankfully... :)

    Well, there is the 'keep learning' aspect, and also the 'if it
    works why change' part.... :)
    Agree to both. :) One gets stale without learning new things, though
    sometimes less frustrating to stick with the old. I'd hate to have a
    tube-type computer -- I 'complain' about the noise from the air
    conditioner -- imagine the constant clacking of the relays!!
    Some things there is good reason to update... <G>
    All that heat from the vacuum tubes would make it cozy-warm in winter!
    As far as the window air conditioner, it's noisy only because it's a
    few feet from where I sit.

    But a noisy computer would be even closer... ;)

    They did have several grab-basket displays of hand sanitizer: noticed
    by Pharmacy and at the checkouts. Didn't recognize the brand; quite a
    few of the local and regional mini-breweries temporarily coverted to
    producing hand sanitizer so could have been one of them.
    I've heard of that happening other places as well... Shouldn't be
    running out of sanitiser now.... ;)
    Probably not! LIS I have a small pocket-sized bottle I carry with me
    when I go out; refill from the larger containers which are not nearly
    as convenient to carry.

    I don't generally use, as I've had a reaction to some of them... but
    it's good to have it available for those who can use it... :)

    The Frozen section at the store looked a little sparse, but then
    they're in progress of moving merchandise from the old coolers to the
    new. Pizzas will be on my left instead of my right following my usual
    travel direction (pre-one-way aisles).
    Yup, the remodel could be the major factor there, then... ;) If I were
    stocking there, I'd probably let stock dwindle some so that there would
    be fewer items that needed to be shifted to the new coolers... <G>
    Right: the less to move the easier and faster it is. A while back was chatting with the 'chips guy' -- he is from Frito-Lay and stocks
    daily. Did mention he, an assistant and probably his boss would be
    doing the move -- he wasn't looking forward to it.

    At least it should be a once and done.... then just stocking in a
    different section of the store thereafter.... :)

    A relatively large number of shoppers haven't noticed the directional
    markings; some are ignoring to get to an item they need.
    Makes me glad that Wegmans never went to the one-way aisles... A
    friend in the Toronto area was telling about how his grocery store had
    the one-way aisles, and they took half the cashiers off the checkouts
    to have them stand guard to yell at anyone ignoring/not seeing the
    arrows... very nerve-wracking....!
    Oh Good Grief! No, no one here yelling at customers; I haven't heard
    any issues with someone going the wrong way. The occasional grumbling when a customer has to go down an extra aisle over to go up the one
    they want. ...Or the 'longing look' when at the 'top' of the aisle and when the customer wants something about 10' from the top but they can't get to it because they'd have to go the wrong way. I'll give that 'conspiritorial' look and tone and give permission "I won't tell if
    you won't!".

    His wife got around it by walking backward down the wrong aisle to get something that she needed near the wrong end.... and got away with it...

    those but didn't find the raisins. Looked in the would have been in
    the old baking section - not there and sort of knew they weren't but
    couldn't remember what the new location was. Did ask, he knew moved to
    "Dried Fruit" but couldn't remember the aisle number (everything's been
    moved for them too!). He's reading the hanging signs and gets to the
    listing - got my raisins! :)
    At least you finally found them... :) And before long, customers
    and employees alike will get used to all the new locations... ;)
    Right. Just a matter of getting used to the new placement. The
    raisins were probably always part of "Dried Fruits", just not labelled
    as such, or I remember their location with the 'wrong' landmark
    (baking).

    Probably dried fruits were next to baking items at that time... maybe on
    the other side of the canned pie fillings or something... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Thu Jun 25 19:29:00 2020


    Hi Daryl!

    Might be a duplicate: I didn't see upload (and this is labelled 'resend!").
    If I send it six times, it makes it a sex-tet...or will that
    really screw things up?? <bseg>

    Might work if at Miss Mable's House Fun House! (She's also into
    carnivals. <g>)


    I went with a friend to Wal-Mart about two months ago -- at the time
    not too crowded and a few times did go the wrong way but didn't really matter as no one else around in that section. At Hy-Vee I'm 'always' going the wrong way if I need something at the Pharmacy or in the
    Pharmacy section. In the main part of the store I do try to follow the one ways since I know they're marked, and most people follow.
    I saw where some packaged garden salad, that was sold at HyVee
    and other places (including in Arkansas) was contaminated with
    bacteria (the name escapes me)...but folks were being told to
    return it, or throw it out. It basically causes a nasty case of
    food poisoning (nausea, cramping, diarrhea, etc.).

    I didn't see anything here about it - maybe different supplier for this region. Several months ago there was an outbreak I think in California
    farms and there were signs stating their supply came from elsewhere.

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jun 26 15:53:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Guess I'l continue replying for a bit: was going to go outside to do
    some yardwork but a quick drizzle so things are damp right now.

    Yes; sort of 'sharing the misery' makes one feel better, at least not
    alone in the situation. Local TV station did have six or seven hours
    of programming on their primary channel (6.1) last Saturday late
    morning and pretty much all afternoon dedicating an hour each for
    various Iowa-side high schools graduations.
    That was a nice gesture... :) Here, the governor decreed that groups
    of up to 150 people could gather (with proper distancing and masks
    etc) for in-person graduations... obviously it would mean that larger
    classes would have to break into much smaller groups, but it still
    would be closer to normal... :)
    Yes, at least a degree of the public acknowledgement was able to be
    done.
    And seems that instead of having big graduation parties, they're
    making up for it with setting off fireworks... every night...!
    Some of them have been seeable from our windows, and rather
    impressive, if probably not exactly legal.... ;)

    That would seem to be a valid reason, though not legal. Most of our graduations have occurred and I don't recall hearing any fireworks then.
    Here just started about a week ago, but more isolated 'tests' as opposed
    to a group mini-display. I haven't beein looking out the window at the
    right time to see.


    I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too
    uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience
    or gathering.
    Well enough controlled and not too noisy, yes, I'd agree... <G>
    There's one "it" reopening that I will be in the forefront for, and
    that's my massage, whenever my therapist gets the green light...
    She's put me at the top of her list... It almost happened Saturday,
    but then she found out she couldn't reopen yet, after all...
    Soooo close! Good news is she put you at the top of her list:
    probably means a combination of needing the care more urgently but
    also probably a good/nice client. :)
    At this point, she's a friend, too... but mostly it's that she does
    know how urgent my need is... And now, finally, it has opened, and I
    had my first rub in three months Saturday, with another scheduled for
    this Saturday... I normally have them weekly, to keep pain under
    control...
    Glad that is finally able to done! As an isolated event between the
    two of you probably would have been perfectly healthy, just almost impossible to make rulings to allow this site to open and another not
    to, even though essentially the same, so everyone of a category lumped together. (Sloppy example: thinking Shop A has no kids at home but
    Shop B does so the possibility of bringing home and therefore spreading the coronavirus.)
    Or just the therapist sees a lot of high-risk clients, vs not so high-risk.... She'd chickened out about a week before the
    shutdown, as the virus was arriving... Possibly she could have
    done a rub or two "under the radar", not at the office, but doing
    a home visit, but she wasn't ready to risk things either....
    Anyway, now we are back on a weekly schedule, thankfully... :)

    Yes, IMO not worth risking the license -- permanently or temporarily.
    As for 'chickening out', maybe, maybe not. She may have foreseen the
    issue and simply took action before others did.



    Well, there is the 'keep learning' aspect, and also the 'if it
    works why change' part.... :)
    Agree to both. :) One gets stale without learning new things, though
    sometimes less frustrating to stick with the old. I'd hate to have a
    tube-type computer -- I 'complain' about the noise from the air
    conditioner -- imagine the constant clacking of the relays!!
    Some things there is good reason to update... <G>
    All that heat from the vacuum tubes would make it cozy-warm in winter!
    As far as the window air conditioner, it's noisy only because it's a
    few feet from where I sit.
    But a noisy computer would be even closer... ;)

    It does cause concern when the fans are running full blast!


    They did have several grab-basket displays of hand sanitizer: noticed
    by Pharmacy and at the checkouts. Didn't recognize the brand; quite a
    few of the local and regional mini-breweries temporarily coverted to
    producing hand sanitizer so could have been one of them.
    I've heard of that happening other places as well... Shouldn't be
    running out of sanitiser now.... ;)
    Probably not! LIS I have a small pocket-sized bottle I carry with me
    when I go out; refill from the larger containers which are not nearly
    as convenient to carry.
    I don't generally use, as I've had a reaction to some of them...
    but it's good to have it available for those who can use it... :)

    There was a segment on the news some people are having reactions because
    of the 'constant' use of hand sanitizer. I have been using as I think beneficial as opposed to constantly.



    The Frozen section at the store looked a little sparse, but then
    they're in progress of moving merchandise from the old coolers to the
    new. Pizzas will be on my left instead of my right following my usual
    travel direction (pre-one-way aisles).
    Yup, the remodel could be the major factor there, then... ;) If I were
    stocking there, I'd probably let stock dwindle some so that there would
    be fewer items that needed to be shifted to the new coolers... <G>
    Right: the less to move the easier and faster it is. A while back was chatting with the 'chips guy' -- he is from Frito-Lay and stocks
    daily. Did mention he, an assistant and probably his boss would be
    doing the move -- he wasn't looking forward to it.
    At least it should be a once and done.... then just stocking in a different section of the store thereafter.... :)

    Yes. Frozen is looking more full but still holes. Did notice one
    strange thing yesterday: frost! Several of the cases had a pretty good
    amount of frost build-up. My guess is a combination of air leaks in the
    doors (by the frost pattern), humidity, and the new cases being set a
    little too cold.


    A relatively large number of shoppers haven't noticed the directional
    markings; some are ignoring to get to an item they need.
    Makes me glad that Wegmans never went to the one-way aisles... A
    friend in the Toronto area was telling about how his grocery store had
    the one-way aisles, and they took half the cashiers off the checkouts
    to have them stand guard to yell at anyone ignoring/not seeing the
    arrows... very nerve-wracking....!
    Oh Good Grief! No, no one here yelling at customers; I haven't heard
    any issues with someone going the wrong way. The occasional grumbling when a customer has to go down an extra aisle over to go up the one
    they want. ...Or the 'longing look' when at the 'top' of the aisle and when the customer wants something about 10' from the top but they can't get to it because they'd have to go the wrong way. I'll give that 'conspiritorial' look and tone and give permission "I won't tell if
    you won't!".
    His wife got around it by walking backward down the wrong aisle
    to get something that she needed near the wrong end.... and got
    away with it...

    That'll work!!


    those but didn't find the raisins. Looked in the would have been in
    the old baking section - not there and sort of knew they weren't but
    couldn't remember what the new location was. Did ask, he knew moved to
    "Dried Fruit" but couldn't remember the aisle number (everything's been
    moved for them too!). He's reading the hanging signs and gets to the
    listing - got my raisins! :)
    At least you finally found them... :) And before long, customers
    and employees alike will get used to all the new locations... ;)
    Right. Just a matter of getting used to the new placement. The
    raisins were probably always part of "Dried Fruits", just not labelled
    as such, or I remember their location with the 'wrong' landmark
    (baking).
    Probably dried fruits were next to baking items at that time...
    maybe on the other side of the canned pie fillings or
    something... ;)

    Pretty much yes. I think the flours and canned pie fillings are
    together (make sense) and the next major section down has Jell-o and
    instant puddings. I think the dried fruit section is more with the
    granola and healthy snacking type section. Still need to learn the new
    layout but getting there. When in doubt look at the signage -- overhead
    ones are reasonably specific and then the signs hanging over the shelf
    detail. If that doesn't work find an employee (not too hard to do!).


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