Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 12-Jun-2020 09:56 <=-
celebrations. The other advantage is there has been time to prepare:
not like "sorry Charlie, no graduation/birthday/etc. event next week".
I'm thinking maybe the ability to plan for/create an alternative
festivity helps: "I can do something".
That could help... :) And knowing that it isn't just them, butYes; sort of 'sharing the misery' makes one feel better, at least not alone in the situation. Local TV station did have six or seven hours
everybody in their class, all around the world, could also be a
little bit of a, well not exactly a comfort, but at least a
mitigating factor...
of programming on their primary channel (6.1) last Saturday late
morning and pretty much all afternoon dedicating an hour each for
various Iowa-side high schools graduations.
(The studio is on this side; I didn't see/hear where the two
Illinois-side stations were doing anything similar.)
Of course! Put the blame on someone else for their ignorance /
zealousness. Maybe Gov. Pritzger (IL) did overstep his authority; I
don't think any place in the U.S. has laws on the books for this
situation. Something had to be done, and sometimes overstepping is
required.
Yup. And even when it's necessary, there's still lots of
second-guessing after the fact...
Right: no one _knows_, it's pretty much all scientific guessing and
computer models. It acts similar to <other illness> which has a
history. While I'm sort of of the New Hampshire 'Live Free or Die'
attitude there are times to back down and follow.
Especially, if the "or Die" is a distinct possibility to follow fromIn most situations I'd probably give up some freedom in order to live.
Living Free as well....
For me it's more not open yet so can't do it, whatever the 'it' is. I
agree with the closures so no reason to fight it. I'm probably not
going to rush out as the various "its" re-open: give time for them to
settle into the new routine, plus others will be rushing out and I
wasn't a crowd person before.
Neither am I... crowds are mostly something to avoid for me, too..
I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too
uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience
or gathering.
Well enough controlled and not too noisy, yes, I'd agree... <G>Soooo close! Good news is she put you at the top of her list:
There's one "it" reopening that I will be in the forefront for, and
that's my massage, whenever my therapist gets the green light...
She's put me at the top of her list... It almost happened Saturday,
but then she found out she couldn't reopen yet, after all...
probably means a combination of needing the care more urgently but also probably a good/nice client. :)
Well, there is the 'keep learning' aspect, and also the 'if itAgree to both. :) One gets stale without learning new things, though sometimes less frustrating to stick with the old. I'd hate to have a tube-type computer -- I 'complain' about the noise from the air conditioner -- imagine the constant clacking of the relays!!
works why change' part.... :)
Yes - my guess is the hoarders have decided they have plenty
squirreled away, the supply may be low but not critical. As I've
mentioned, the toilet paper and paper towels section at Hy-Vee is
reasonably well-stocked. Yes, some holes and almost-empties; quite
sure the limit of one has helped but also thinking lessening of the
hoarding.
Paper goods have pretty much gone back to normal, though not quiteYes. During yesterday's shopping sort of noticed low stock in general cleaning supplies; paper goods filling back up but still not to normal levels. (Just realized I didn't notice any 'limit of one' signs at
fully stocked everywhere... still a lot of holes in the cleaning
supplies and things like gloves and sanitizers...
toilet paper/paper towels. Didn't need so just zipped by following the one-way aisles signage.)
They did have several grab-basket displays of hand sanitizer: noticed
by Pharmacy and at the checkouts. Didn't recognize the brand; quite a
few of the local and regional mini-breweries temporarily coverted to producing hand sanitizer so could have been one of them.
Spotty holes in tuna fish, pizza and frozen foods -- might be due to a
supply issue or could also be people are eating at home: tuna
casserole, pizza, frozen meals.
Or that might be a form of hoarding, too... shelf-stable or frozen,Makes sense. A few people grabbing a 10-pack package could create a
as long as one has room to stock, one can do some stockpiling... I
have twice now bought a Family Pack (10 cans) of tuna fish to donate
at church to a local food pantry that had asked for help.... but at
our store, there seems to be a pretty good supply of tunafish... :)
few large holes rather quickly!
The Frozen section at the store looked a little sparse, but then
they're in progress of moving merchandise from the old coolers to the
new. Pizzas will be on my left instead of my right following my usual travel direction (pre-one-way aisles).
Some things just aren't worth a fight. I haven't observed anyone
getting in trouble (by whatever degree from The Look to physical) by
going the wrong way. Most are following the directional signage, some
have simply overlooked it.
I think it was in BJs recently, there was an older woman, obviouslyA relatively large number of shoppers haven't noticed the directional markings; some are ignoring to get to an item they need.
distressed enough that she had to wear a mask to be out shopping, and
pushing one of those big carts.... I think she might not have seen
the floor markings for the one-way aisles, even though they are large
red squares on the floor now...
I accidentally went the wrong way in an aisle getting to raisins.
Didn't see on my initial up-and-down wanderings. They used to be with 'baking': seems flour, evaporated milk, etc., were in the section
before the remodel. Now in "Dried Fruits". ...At the end of my
shopping looking for a couple of items I didn't find initially; got
those but didn't find the raisins. Looked in the would have been in
the old baking section - not there and sort of knew they weren't but couldn't remember what the new location was. Did ask, he knew moved to "Dried Fruit" but couldn't remember the aisle number (everything's been moved for them too!). He's reading the hanging signs and gets to the listing - got my raisins! :)
celebrations. The other advantage is there has been time to prepare:
not like "sorry Charlie, no graduation/birthday/etc. event next week".
I'm thinking maybe the ability to plan for/create an alternative
festivity helps: "I can do something".
That could help... :) And knowing that it isn't just them, butYes; sort of 'sharing the misery' makes one feel better, at least not alone in the situation. Local TV station did have six or seven hours
everybody in their class, all around the world, could also be a
little bit of a, well not exactly a comfort, but at least a
mitigating factor...
of programming on their primary channel (6.1) last Saturday late
morning and pretty much all afternoon dedicating an hour each for
various Iowa-side high schools graduations.
That was a nice gesture... :) Here, the governor decreed that
groups of up to 150 people could gather (with proper distancing
and masks etc) for in-person graduations... obviously it would
mean that larger classes would have to break into much smaller
groups, but it still would be closer to normal... :)
(The studio is on this side; I didn't see/hear where the two
Illinois-side stations were doing anything similar.)
You'd almost have to have been channel-surfing to find out,
probably...
For me it's more not open yet so can't do it, whatever the 'it' is. I
agree with the closures so no reason to fight it. I'm probably not
going to rush out as the various "its" re-open: give time for them to
settle into the new routine, plus others will be rushing out and I
wasn't a crowd person before.
Neither am I... crowds are mostly something to avoid for me, too..
I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too
uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience
or gathering.
Well enough controlled and not too noisy, yes, I'd agree... <G>Soooo close! Good news is she put you at the top of her list:
There's one "it" reopening that I will be in the forefront for, and
that's my massage, whenever my therapist gets the green light...
She's put me at the top of her list... It almost happened Saturday,
but then she found out she couldn't reopen yet, after all...
probably means a combination of needing the care more urgently but also probably a good/nice client. :)
At this point, she's a friend, too... but mostly it's that she
does know how urgent my need is... And now, finally, it has
opened, and I had my first rub in three months Saturday, with
another scheduled for this Saturday... I normally have them
weekly, to keep pain under control...
Well, there is the 'keep learning' aspect, and also the 'if itAgree to both. :) One gets stale without learning new things, though sometimes less frustrating to stick with the old. I'd hate to have a tube-type computer -- I 'complain' about the noise from the air conditioner -- imagine the constant clacking of the relays!!
works why change' part.... :)
Some things there is good reason to update... <G>
Yes - my guess is the hoarders have decided they have plenty
squirreled away, the supply may be low but not critical. As I've
mentioned, the toilet paper and paper towels section at Hy-Vee is
reasonably well-stocked. Yes, some holes and almost-empties; quite
sure the limit of one has helped but also thinking lessening of the
hoarding.
Paper goods have pretty much gone back to normal, though not quiteYes. During yesterday's shopping sort of noticed low stock in general cleaning supplies; paper goods filling back up but still not to normal levels. (Just realized I didn't notice any 'limit of one' signs at
fully stocked everywhere... still a lot of holes in the cleaning
supplies and things like gloves and sanitizers...
toilet paper/paper towels. Didn't need so just zipped by following the one-way aisles signage.)
Little by little returning to normal... ;)
They did have several grab-basket displays of hand sanitizer: noticed
by Pharmacy and at the checkouts. Didn't recognize the brand; quite a
few of the local and regional mini-breweries temporarily coverted to producing hand sanitizer so could have been one of them.
I've heard of that happening other places as well... Shouldn't be
running out of sanitiser now.... ;)
Spotty holes in tuna fish, pizza and frozen foods -- might be due to a
supply issue or could also be people are eating at home: tuna
casserole, pizza, frozen meals.
Or that might be a form of hoarding, too... shelf-stable or frozen,Makes sense. A few people grabbing a 10-pack package could create a
as long as one has room to stock, one can do some stockpiling... I
have twice now bought a Family Pack (10 cans) of tuna fish to donate
at church to a local food pantry that had asked for help.... but at
our store, there seems to be a pretty good supply of tunafish... :)
few large holes rather quickly!
At one point there was a limit 3 sign on the individual tuna
cans... made sense to get the Family Pack instead for the food
pantry... ;)
The Frozen section at the store looked a little sparse, but then
they're in progress of moving merchandise from the old coolers to the
new. Pizzas will be on my left instead of my right following my usual travel direction (pre-one-way aisles).
Yup, the remodel could be the major factor there, then... ;) If
I were stocking there, I'd probably let stock dwindle some so
that there would be fewer items that needed to be shifted to the
new coolers... <G>
Some things just aren't worth a fight. I haven't observed anyone
getting in trouble (by whatever degree from The Look to physical) by
going the wrong way. Most are following the directional signage, some
have simply overlooked it.
I think it was in BJs recently, there was an older woman, obviouslyA relatively large number of shoppers haven't noticed the directional markings; some are ignoring to get to an item they need.
distressed enough that she had to wear a mask to be out shopping, and
pushing one of those big carts.... I think she might not have seen
the floor markings for the one-way aisles, even though they are large
red squares on the floor now...
Makes me glad that Wegmans never went to the one-way aisles... A
friend in the Toronto area was telling about how his grocery
store had the one-way aisles, and they took half the cashiers off
the checkouts to have them stand guard to yell at anyone
ignoring/not seeing the arrows... very nerve-wracking....!
I accidentally went the wrong way in an aisle getting to raisins.
Didn't see on my initial up-and-down wanderings. They used to be with 'baking': seems flour, evaporated milk, etc., were in the section
before the remodel. Now in "Dried Fruits". ...At the end of my
shopping looking for a couple of items I didn't find initially; got
those but didn't find the raisins. Looked in the would have been in
the old baking section - not there and sort of knew they weren't but couldn't remember what the new location was. Did ask, he knew moved to "Dried Fruit" but couldn't remember the aisle number (everything's been moved for them too!). He's reading the hanging signs and gets to the listing - got my raisins! :)
At least you finally found them... :) And before long,
customers and employees alike will get used to all the new
locations... ;)
Oh Good Grief! No, no one here yelling at customers; I haven't heard
any issues with someone going the wrong way. The occasional grumbling when a customer has to go down an extra aisle over to go up the one
they want. ...Or the 'longing look' when at the 'top' of the aisle and when the customer wants something about 10' from the top but they can't get to it because they'd have to go the wrong way. I'll give that 'conspiritorial' look and tone and give permission "I won't tell if you won't!".
Oh Good Grief! No, no one here yelling at customers; I haven't heard
any issues with someone going the wrong way. The occasional grumbling when a customer has to go down an extra aisle over to go up the one
they want. ...Or the 'longing look' when at the 'top' of the aisle and when the customer wants something about 10' from the top but they can't get to it because they'd have to go the wrong way. I'll give that 'conspiritorial' look and tone and give permission "I won't tell if you won't!".
At the local Wal-Mart, customers are ignoring those directional
aisles, and not wearing masks. Most think COVID-19 is just a big
hoax. If I go down an aisle the wrong way, it was because I got distracted, and wasn't paying attention.
Might be a duplicate: I didn't see upload (and this is labelled 'resend!").
I went with a friend to Wal-Mart about two months ago -- at the time
not too crowded and a few times did go the wrong way but didn't really matter as no one else around in that section. At Hy-Vee I'm 'always' going the wrong way if I need something at the Pharmacy or in the
Pharmacy section. In the main part of the store I do try to follow the one ways since I know they're marked, and most people follow.
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 18-Jun-2020 12:34 <=-
Yes; sort of 'sharing the misery' makes one feel better, at least not
alone in the situation. Local TV station did have six or seven hours
of programming on their primary channel (6.1) last Saturday late
morning and pretty much all afternoon dedicating an hour each for
various Iowa-side high schools graduations.
That was a nice gesture... :) Here, the governor decreed that groupsYes, at least a degree of the public acknowledgement was able to be
of up to 150 people could gather (with proper distancing and masks
etc) for in-person graduations... obviously it would mean that larger
classes would have to break into much smaller groups, but it still
would be closer to normal... :)
done.
I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too
uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience
or gathering.
Well enough controlled and not too noisy, yes, I'd agree... <G>
There's one "it" reopening that I will be in the forefront for, and
that's my massage, whenever my therapist gets the green light...
She's put me at the top of her list... It almost happened Saturday,
but then she found out she couldn't reopen yet, after all...
Soooo close! Good news is she put you at the top of her list:
probably means a combination of needing the care more urgently but
also probably a good/nice client. :)
At this point, she's a friend, too... but mostly it's that she doesGlad that is finally able to done! As an isolated event between the
know how urgent my need is... And now, finally, it has opened, and I
had my first rub in three months Saturday, with another scheduled for
this Saturday... I normally have them weekly, to keep pain under
control...
two of you probably would have been perfectly healthy, just almost impossible to make rulings to allow this site to open and another not
to, even though essentially the same, so everyone of a category lumped together. (Sloppy example: thinking Shop A has no kids at home but
Shop B does so the possibility of bringing home and therefore spreading the coronavirus.)
Well, there is the 'keep learning' aspect, and also the 'if it
works why change' part.... :)
Agree to both. :) One gets stale without learning new things, though
sometimes less frustrating to stick with the old. I'd hate to have a
tube-type computer -- I 'complain' about the noise from the air
conditioner -- imagine the constant clacking of the relays!!
Some things there is good reason to update... <G>All that heat from the vacuum tubes would make it cozy-warm in winter!
As far as the window air conditioner, it's noisy only because it's a
few feet from where I sit.
They did have several grab-basket displays of hand sanitizer: noticed
by Pharmacy and at the checkouts. Didn't recognize the brand; quite a
few of the local and regional mini-breweries temporarily coverted to
producing hand sanitizer so could have been one of them.
I've heard of that happening other places as well... Shouldn't beProbably not! LIS I have a small pocket-sized bottle I carry with me
running out of sanitiser now.... ;)
when I go out; refill from the larger containers which are not nearly
as convenient to carry.
The Frozen section at the store looked a little sparse, but then
they're in progress of moving merchandise from the old coolers to the
new. Pizzas will be on my left instead of my right following my usual
travel direction (pre-one-way aisles).
Yup, the remodel could be the major factor there, then... ;) If I wereRight: the less to move the easier and faster it is. A while back was chatting with the 'chips guy' -- he is from Frito-Lay and stocks
stocking there, I'd probably let stock dwindle some so that there would
be fewer items that needed to be shifted to the new coolers... <G>
daily. Did mention he, an assistant and probably his boss would be
doing the move -- he wasn't looking forward to it.
A relatively large number of shoppers haven't noticed the directional
markings; some are ignoring to get to an item they need.
Makes me glad that Wegmans never went to the one-way aisles... AOh Good Grief! No, no one here yelling at customers; I haven't heard
friend in the Toronto area was telling about how his grocery store had
the one-way aisles, and they took half the cashiers off the checkouts
to have them stand guard to yell at anyone ignoring/not seeing the
arrows... very nerve-wracking....!
any issues with someone going the wrong way. The occasional grumbling when a customer has to go down an extra aisle over to go up the one
they want. ...Or the 'longing look' when at the 'top' of the aisle and when the customer wants something about 10' from the top but they can't get to it because they'd have to go the wrong way. I'll give that 'conspiritorial' look and tone and give permission "I won't tell if
you won't!".
those but didn't find the raisins. Looked in the would have been in
the old baking section - not there and sort of knew they weren't but
couldn't remember what the new location was. Did ask, he knew moved to
"Dried Fruit" but couldn't remember the aisle number (everything's been
moved for them too!). He's reading the hanging signs and gets to the
listing - got my raisins! :)
At least you finally found them... :) And before long, customersRight. Just a matter of getting used to the new placement. The
and employees alike will get used to all the new locations... ;)
raisins were probably always part of "Dried Fruits", just not labelled
as such, or I remember their location with the 'wrong' landmark
(baking).
Might be a duplicate: I didn't see upload (and this is labelled 'resend!").
If I send it six times, it makes it a sex-tet...or will that
really screw things up?? <bseg>
I went with a friend to Wal-Mart about two months ago -- at the time
not too crowded and a few times did go the wrong way but didn't really matter as no one else around in that section. At Hy-Vee I'm 'always' going the wrong way if I need something at the Pharmacy or in the
Pharmacy section. In the main part of the store I do try to follow the one ways since I know they're marked, and most people follow.
I saw where some packaged garden salad, that was sold at HyVee
and other places (including in Arkansas) was contaminated with
bacteria (the name escapes me)...but folks were being told to
return it, or throw it out. It basically causes a nasty case of
food poisoning (nausea, cramping, diarrhea, etc.).
Yes; sort of 'sharing the misery' makes one feel better, at least not
alone in the situation. Local TV station did have six or seven hours
of programming on their primary channel (6.1) last Saturday late
morning and pretty much all afternoon dedicating an hour each for
various Iowa-side high schools graduations.
That was a nice gesture... :) Here, the governor decreed that groupsYes, at least a degree of the public acknowledgement was able to be
of up to 150 people could gather (with proper distancing and masks
etc) for in-person graduations... obviously it would mean that larger
classes would have to break into much smaller groups, but it still
would be closer to normal... :)
done.
And seems that instead of having big graduation parties, they're
making up for it with setting off fireworks... every night...!
Some of them have been seeable from our windows, and rather
impressive, if probably not exactly legal.... ;)
I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too
uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience
or gathering.
Well enough controlled and not too noisy, yes, I'd agree... <G>
There's one "it" reopening that I will be in the forefront for, and
that's my massage, whenever my therapist gets the green light...
She's put me at the top of her list... It almost happened Saturday,
but then she found out she couldn't reopen yet, after all...
Soooo close! Good news is she put you at the top of her list:
probably means a combination of needing the care more urgently but
also probably a good/nice client. :)
At this point, she's a friend, too... but mostly it's that she doesGlad that is finally able to done! As an isolated event between the
know how urgent my need is... And now, finally, it has opened, and I
had my first rub in three months Saturday, with another scheduled for
this Saturday... I normally have them weekly, to keep pain under
control...
two of you probably would have been perfectly healthy, just almost impossible to make rulings to allow this site to open and another not
to, even though essentially the same, so everyone of a category lumped together. (Sloppy example: thinking Shop A has no kids at home but
Shop B does so the possibility of bringing home and therefore spreading the coronavirus.)
Or just the therapist sees a lot of high-risk clients, vs not so high-risk.... She'd chickened out about a week before the
shutdown, as the virus was arriving... Possibly she could have
done a rub or two "under the radar", not at the office, but doing
a home visit, but she wasn't ready to risk things either....
Anyway, now we are back on a weekly schedule, thankfully... :)
Well, there is the 'keep learning' aspect, and also the 'if it
works why change' part.... :)
Agree to both. :) One gets stale without learning new things, though
sometimes less frustrating to stick with the old. I'd hate to have a
tube-type computer -- I 'complain' about the noise from the air
conditioner -- imagine the constant clacking of the relays!!
Some things there is good reason to update... <G>All that heat from the vacuum tubes would make it cozy-warm in winter!
As far as the window air conditioner, it's noisy only because it's a
few feet from where I sit.
But a noisy computer would be even closer... ;)
They did have several grab-basket displays of hand sanitizer: noticed
by Pharmacy and at the checkouts. Didn't recognize the brand; quite a
few of the local and regional mini-breweries temporarily coverted to
producing hand sanitizer so could have been one of them.
I've heard of that happening other places as well... Shouldn't beProbably not! LIS I have a small pocket-sized bottle I carry with me
running out of sanitiser now.... ;)
when I go out; refill from the larger containers which are not nearly
as convenient to carry.
I don't generally use, as I've had a reaction to some of them...
but it's good to have it available for those who can use it... :)
The Frozen section at the store looked a little sparse, but then
they're in progress of moving merchandise from the old coolers to the
new. Pizzas will be on my left instead of my right following my usual
travel direction (pre-one-way aisles).
Yup, the remodel could be the major factor there, then... ;) If I wereRight: the less to move the easier and faster it is. A while back was chatting with the 'chips guy' -- he is from Frito-Lay and stocks
stocking there, I'd probably let stock dwindle some so that there would
be fewer items that needed to be shifted to the new coolers... <G>
daily. Did mention he, an assistant and probably his boss would be
doing the move -- he wasn't looking forward to it.
At least it should be a once and done.... then just stocking in a different section of the store thereafter.... :)
A relatively large number of shoppers haven't noticed the directional
markings; some are ignoring to get to an item they need.
Makes me glad that Wegmans never went to the one-way aisles... AOh Good Grief! No, no one here yelling at customers; I haven't heard
friend in the Toronto area was telling about how his grocery store had
the one-way aisles, and they took half the cashiers off the checkouts
to have them stand guard to yell at anyone ignoring/not seeing the
arrows... very nerve-wracking....!
any issues with someone going the wrong way. The occasional grumbling when a customer has to go down an extra aisle over to go up the one
they want. ...Or the 'longing look' when at the 'top' of the aisle and when the customer wants something about 10' from the top but they can't get to it because they'd have to go the wrong way. I'll give that 'conspiritorial' look and tone and give permission "I won't tell if
you won't!".
His wife got around it by walking backward down the wrong aisle
to get something that she needed near the wrong end.... and got
away with it...
those but didn't find the raisins. Looked in the would have been in
the old baking section - not there and sort of knew they weren't but
couldn't remember what the new location was. Did ask, he knew moved to
"Dried Fruit" but couldn't remember the aisle number (everything's been
moved for them too!). He's reading the hanging signs and gets to the
listing - got my raisins! :)
At least you finally found them... :) And before long, customersRight. Just a matter of getting used to the new placement. The
and employees alike will get used to all the new locations... ;)
raisins were probably always part of "Dried Fruits", just not labelled
as such, or I remember their location with the 'wrong' landmark
(baking).
Probably dried fruits were next to baking items at that time...
maybe on the other side of the canned pie fillings or
something... ;)
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