• New normals was: disabil

    From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu May 7 12:37:00 2020
    Subject: New normals was: disability

    Hi Nancy!

    LIS some time back, the COVID-19 issues may end up having the positive
    effect of people being more mindful of health issues. Glancing at the
    sink does not equate washing ones hands. Coughing/sneezing into the
    air may be easier for that person but can be unhealthy for the
    surrounding people. (Ask anyone in retail!)
    For sure... :) Some of that is merely good health sense... The
    negative is in the what may be overkill reactions to dealing with it,
    at least in the long term, of the social distancing and isolations and
    even masks and gloves.... Hopefully the restrictions will be all
    lifted when the crisis is over, leaving just the reasonable health
    responses... :)
    It will be interesting! Right now the masking and gloves and santizing everything might be an overreaction.
    Possibly.... certainly more than I'd necessarily find necessary,
    but then I tend to be more laid back about such things...

    Yes -- as I've indicated I'm taking precautions like wiping hand
    sanitizer on the cart handle as I take it from the parking lot -
    probably would do the same if inside unless indentified as sanitized.
    Not wearing a mask: not going any place where I feel I need one; do
    bring one with me as if the shop prefers I do I'll abide.



    Not saying it isn't the right thing to do; at this point we don't know
    the details and so tend to overreact, to do everything to protect as opposed to just what is necessary.
    And that's pretty much how I look at it, too... better probably
    to overreact to some extent, than to be too complacent... Where
    one draws the line varies, though, I've noted.... ;)

    The adage 'better safe than sorry' comes to mind!


    I do think society in general will change: it will be almost a social disgrace to go out sick. Where the sick line is drawn I don't know: sniffles from allergies isn't catching but can be similiar to sniffles from a cold.
    For a while, maybe... and not that bad a thing in some respects
    for people to be allowed to stay home when actually sick... I
    expect that it'll be back more to what we've had pretty soon
    after the threat is over, people being what they are... only a
    hundred years ago was the Spanish Flu... and that didn't change
    behaviours forever... ;)

    Unfortunately. One could argue both ways: contracting and surviving
    makes one stronger (overall -- individuals could come out not so good).
    OTOH it does seem like one would be a Darwin Award consideration for
    teasing the situation.


    Small gatherings -- would be somewhat easy to maintain a bit of a distance, which I think will be decreased but not back to the almost walking into each other. Larger gathering will be more difficult to maintain a distance, especially as excitement builds on the event
    floor.
    We're going to be back to having weddings and funerals.... some
    of those are relatively small... but I don't think that someone
    wanting a large wedding is going to hold back just because....
    And a large family will make for a large funeral....

    True. Hears a comment on the radio one could have multiple weddings:
    one for family, once for friends, one for office co-workers....

    Sort of along the large gatherings part, they just announced the Bix 7 --
    seven mile foot race up Brady St. Hill, up and down along the top, then
    back down -- will be done virtually this year. Not quite sure how and
    of the details: as long as done in July (race is usually held the end of
    July). One comment said all seven miles could be done on a treadmill,


    Business will be interesting. For "corporate stuff" they've found a
    lot could be done from home, so might be a way for the many of the cube farms to be disassembled, possibly replacing a few with conference
    rooms for when people do have to meet once or three times a week.
    Maybe.... as long as the management doesn't feel the need to be
    hands-on meddling in every detail....

    Keep the six foot rule and so keep management's hands off! <g> The
    article indicated there wil be a need to be concise so the droning on
    and on should be minimized (should have been before!). Of course the
    problem there is some management styles are very hands-on, as in
    personally involved. I preferred tell me and leave me alone but be
    available to help (not do).


    Retail will probably essentially stay somewhat like current with a big amount as on-line shopping. People do like to shop, especially feel clothing and see how it fits, so maybe that segment of shopping back
    to as it was, though possibly even less in-stock (one shirt in stock, sold, replacement comes in.)
    A lot of people need to make sure clothing actually fits, and
    make sure the color or pattern is flattering... so I'd think that
    would go back to what it was... Even appliances and cars and such
    there's a lot of personal preference (and need to actually check
    out in person) that goes into choices....

    Agree. "Red shirt". Could be an orangish red, could be a blood red,
    could be.... Material could be thin or thick (both have advantages and disadvantages).... And of course sizing -- one manufacture's Medium is another's Small....


    All guesses, of course,
    And we'll see how things actually play out... :)

    Yes, plus is a constant evolution. And it seems there was so maybe
    still is a clothing store or two had some sort of app where the customer
    took a full-length picture of themselves and the app figured out what
    the customer needed for sizes.


    There may be other positive effects: might be easier to take time off
    if one is sick - factory, office, etc. General thought was come to
    work unless you're dead. Maybe now will change to if you're sick stay
    home.
    That would be a positive effect from it... Fewer other communicable
    things could be so easily transmitted if sick people could stay home
    to get well first... :)
    True. I know I went to work several times just because "it was the
    thing to do".
    Fortunately, I don't get sick all that often... and when I do,
    I'm really sick and couldn't go in if I wanted to... :)

    Ouch, but that is sort of good. I've sort of 'evolved' so my colds
    aren't externally looking too bad but last longer.


    And the latest executive order from our governor mandates masks for
    all in public where social distancing might be an issue.... it's
    still voluntary compliance, but this does raise the ante.... Mass
    transport, for-hire vehicles and stores are specifically mentioned...
    Makes sense. (I initially interpreted 'Mass transport' as the one in
    Massachusetts -- well, MA is next to NY, plus heard on the news when I
    was in NH!) Masks, properly fitting and worn, will trap much of the
    aerosol-ized exhaled breath vapor the viruses are hitchhiking on, plus
    block most from being inhaled, especially in close-quarters and where
    not much movement. Was reading where with normal walking there is
    enough pushing aside of small particles suspended in the air so one
    doesn't inhale.
    Interesting. Mostly for me, what I notice is that the mask traps
    moist, warm breath.... I'm only wearing it as mandated, in stores
    and such... I did wear it in the blood collection place when I
    needed to have blood drawn yesterday....
    I also have not been wearing a mask but also haven't gone any place
    public lately. ...Good Grief! I've been home for two weeks??!! I
    didn't go to Hy-Vee last week.... Going to go to Dollar General later this morning to pick up a Mother's Day card and a couple other items; Hy-Vee after that. I did make a paper towel mask last might and will bring it with me should masking be required. Will wipe the basket handle/cart handle with hand sanitizer -- have been doing that.
    No wonder you're getting stir-crazy...? ;) Are masks required
    in close quarters for you now, too....?

    So far no masks required for customers but last week Hy-Vee was
    requiring their employees were masks.



    How it actually works out indeed might be interesting. I'd guess that
    having people have to work from home may also point up some aspects
    where being at the worksite actually is more beneficial after all...
    That's true! Little things like the walk to the supply room for
    printer paper, bigger things like the copier. And everyone in one
    place for a meeting, or when answering the phone to see the person
    needed to get the call is at their desk.
    Yup.... one doesn't even think about that sort of thing until one
    isn't in a position to just do the customary... ;)
    Right: was 'normal' to go to work, supplies were there, though
    sometimes the next cubicle stole your stapler, now it's the kids! <g>
    The drawbacks are everywhere... ;)
    True. A lot of 'all depends'. And what might be a problem for one
    person would not be a problem for another. A parent might find
    working at home they can break up their eight-hour job so it lasts
    twelve or even fourteen. Might sound horrible initially but work a
    couple hours, get the kids off to school, go back to work, take a 15 minute lunch, work a bit, kids back from school and take a break with them, back to work, start preparing dinner, work a bit while dinner is cooking, dinner, a little more work.
    A different sort of flex-time... ;) But that is the sort of
    schedule that many self-employed working at home already have
    had... :)

    Yes - an advantage of working from home is was the breaks as needed.
    Rest of the family and friends just had to realize it didn't mean they
    could barge in at any time. Pets too, but that could be a comforting distraction.



    OTOH it will take away from fun little quirkie things like when the
    weatherman was doing his weather teaser from home and he sees his dog
    come in the room -- he commented a happy 'oh-oh!' and then we hear his
    dog happily barking in the background!
    Or the kid running in, not realizing Mommy is "on the air".... ;) I
    heard what sounded like that in the background of the main guest for
    an AARP telephone town hall meeting Friday....
    <chuckle> Uh-huh!! ...This morning the iRobot (she meant the
    Siri/Alexa device) alarmed and started speaking in the background
    during one of the news anchor's segments.
    Interesting little quirks.... ;)
    Things have gone off smoother than I'd expect, especially considering
    the anchors are suddenly working from home. For the station I
    generally watch it looks like the anchors are working out of a family
    room vs. a home office: a room where everyone is welcome as opposed to Daddy's or Mommy's room.
    Perhaps that's what is most easily available... :)

    Probably yes.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed May 13 22:51:38 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 07-May-2020 12:37 <=-
    Subject: New normals was: disability

    For sure... :) Some of that is merely good health sense... The
    negative is in the what may be overkill reactions to dealing with it,
    at least in the long term, of the social distancing and isolations and
    even masks and gloves.... Hopefully the restrictions will be all
    lifted when the crisis is over, leaving just the reasonable health
    responses... :)
    It will be interesting! Right now the masking and gloves and santizing
    everything might be an overreaction.
    Possibly.... certainly more than I'd necessarily find necessary,
    but then I tend to be more laid back about such things...
    Yes -- as I've indicated I'm taking precautions like wiping hand
    sanitizer on the cart handle as I take it from the parking lot -
    probably would do the same if inside unless indentified as sanitized.

    And probably not a bad idea to be doing that at this point...

    Not wearing a mask: not going any place where I feel I need one; do
    bring one with me as if the shop prefers I do I'll abide.

    Now that it's more mandated for out in public, we are wearing masks, but
    only in situations that we have to... Wegmans has a sign posted
    requiring, the blood draw place requires it... at church, only when
    going to be in closer quarters with the others there doing the
    livestream service... we do take them in with us when picking up our
    take out food, in case any other customers come in... :)

    Not saying it isn't the right thing to do; at this point we don't know
    the details and so tend to overreact, to do everything to protect as
    opposed to just what is necessary.
    And that's pretty much how I look at it, too... better probably to
    overreact to some extent, than to be too complacent... Where one
    draws the line varies, though, I've noted.... ;)
    The adage 'better safe than sorry' comes to mind!

    There is that.... :)

    I do think society in general will change: it will be almost a social
    disgrace to go out sick. Where the sick line is drawn I don't know:
    sniffles from allergies isn't catching but can be similiar to sniffles
    from a cold.
    For a while, maybe... and not that bad a thing in some respects for
    people to be allowed to stay home when actually sick... I expect that
    it'll be back more to what we've had pretty soon after the threat is
    over, people being what they are... only a hundred years ago was the
    Spanish Flu... and that didn't change behaviours forever... ;)
    Unfortunately. One could argue both ways: contracting and surviving makes one stronger (overall -- individuals could come out not so
    good). OTOH it does seem like one would be a Darwin Award consideration for teasing the situation.

    A reasonable exposure can make for a more hardy immune system... but one doesn't have to go rub one's face in the infection.... ;)

    Small gatherings -- would be somewhat easy to maintain a bit of a
    distance, which I think will be decreased but not back to the almost
    walking into each other. Larger gathering will be more difficult to
    maintain a distance, especially as excitement builds on the event
    floor.
    We're going to be back to having weddings and funerals.... some of
    those are relatively small... but I don't think that someone wanting
    a large wedding is going to hold back just because.... And a large
    family will make for a large funeral....
    True. Heard a comment on the radio one could have multiple weddings:
    one for family, once for friends, one for office co-workers....

    Some people have done similar before... with a small official ceremony,
    and then a larger reception later.... having too many parties could be
    a bit too much in my mind, though...

    Sort of along the large gatherings part, they just announced the Bix 7
    -- seven mile foot race up Brady St. Hill, up and down along the top,
    then back down -- will be done virtually this year. Not quite sure how and of the details: as long as done in July (race is usually held the
    end of July). One comment said all seven miles could be done on a treadmill,

    That will be an interesting variation... not really the same as a proper
    race, though.... ;)

    Business will be interesting. For "corporate stuff" they've found a
    lot could be done from home, so might be a way for the many of the cube
    farms to be disassembled, possibly replacing a few with conference
    rooms for when people do have to meet once or three times a week.
    Maybe.... as long as the management doesn't feel the need to be
    hands-on meddling in every detail....
    Keep the six foot rule and so keep management's hands off! <g> The article indicated there will be a need to be concise so the droning on
    and on should be minimized (should have been before!). Of course the problem there is some management styles are very hands-on, as in personally involved. I preferred tell me and leave me alone but be available to help (not do).

    My guess is that the managers won't have changed all that much just
    because they had a hiatus from work... I was fortunate in having had
    helpful but hands-off managers when I was working... :)

    Retail will probably essentially stay somewhat like current with a big
    amount as on-line shopping. People do like to shop, especially feel
    clothing and see how it fits, so maybe that segment of shopping back
    to as it was, though possibly even less in-stock (one shirt in stock,
    sold, replacement comes in.)
    A lot of people need to make sure clothing actually fits, and make
    sure the color or pattern is flattering... so I'd think that would go
    back to what it was... Even appliances and cars and such there's a
    lot of personal preference (and need to actually check out in person)
    that goes into choices....
    Agree. "Red shirt". Could be an orangish red, could be a blood red, could be.... Material could be thin or thick (both have advantages
    and disadvantages).... And of course sizing -- one manufacture's
    Medium is another's Small....

    Exactly... :)

    All guesses, of course,
    And we'll see how things actually play out... :)
    Yes, plus is a constant evolution. And it seems there was so maybe
    still is a clothing store or two had some sort of app where the
    customer took a full-length picture of themselves and the app figured
    out what the customer needed for sizes.

    And there are some decent mail-order clothing catalogs, which haven't changed.... :)

    True. I know I went to work several times just because "it was the
    thing to do".
    Fortunately, I don't get sick all that often... and when I do, I'm
    really sick and couldn't go in if I wanted to... :)
    Ouch, but that is sort of good. I've sort of 'evolved' so my colds
    aren't externally looking too bad but last longer.

    I rarely get colds now... :)

    Interesting. Mostly for me, what I notice is that the mask traps
    moist, warm breath.... I'm only wearing it as mandated, in stores
    and such... I did wear it in the blood collection place when I
    needed to have blood drawn yesterday....
    I also have not been wearing a mask but also haven't gone any place
    public lately. ...Good Grief! I've been home for two weeks??!! I
    didn't go to Hy-Vee last week.... Going to go to Dollar General later
    this morning to pick up a Mother's Day card and a couple other items;
    Hy-Vee after that. I did make a paper towel mask last might and will
    bring it with me should masking be required. Will wipe the basket
    handle/cart handle with hand sanitizer -- have been doing that.
    No wonder you're getting stir-crazy...? ;) Are masks required in
    close quarters for you now, too....?
    So far no masks required for customers but last week Hy-Vee was
    requiring their employees were masks.

    Everyone has to wear masks here now, at least in certain situations...
    and that will continue, even as we are starting into phase one of
    opening things back up... along with the 6-foot distancing and all...

    True. A lot of 'all depends'. And what might be a problem for one
    person would not be a problem for another. A parent might find
    working at home they can break up their eight-hour job so it lasts
    twelve or even fourteen. Might sound horrible initially but work a
    couple hours, get the kids off to school, go back to work, take a 15
    minute lunch, work a bit, kids back from school and take a break with
    them, back to work, start preparing dinner, work a bit while dinner is
    cooking, dinner, a little more work.
    A different sort of flex-time... ;) But that is the sort of schedule
    that many self-employed working at home already have had... :)
    Yes - an advantage of working from home is/was the breaks as needed.
    Rest of the family and friends just had to realize it didn't mean they could barge in at any time. Pets too, but that could be a comforting distraction.

    One does need to set boundaries... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu May 14 12:34:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    While I think of it back from the store - did buy some Ginger Tea.
    Oddly didn't see the house brand Green Tea; did see national brands.


    For sure... :) Some of that is merely good health sense... The
    negative is in the what may be overkill reactions to dealing with it,
    at least in the long term, of the social distancing and isolations and
    even masks and gloves.... Hopefully the restrictions will be all
    lifted when the crisis is over, leaving just the reasonable health
    responses... :)
    It will be interesting! Right now the masking and gloves and santizing
    everything might be an overreaction.
    Possibly.... certainly more than I'd necessarily find necessary,
    but then I tend to be more laid back about such things...
    Yes -- as I've indicated I'm taking precautions like wiping hand
    sanitizer on the cart handle as I take it from the parking lot -
    probably would do the same if inside unless indentified as sanitized.
    And probably not a bad idea to be doing that at this point...

    Cleaning the cart handle may or may not be the thing saving me from
    getting ill: at this point seems to be a cheap and easy precaution. I
    don't know who touched that handle; OTOH I feel reasonably comfortable
    being semi-close to the employees I'm chatting with, as do they.


    Not wearing a mask: not going any place where I feel I need one; do
    bring one with me as if the shop prefers I do I'll abide.
    Now that it's more mandated for out in public, we are wearing
    masks, but only in situations that we have to... Wegmans has a
    sign posted requiring, the blood draw place requires it... at
    church, only when going to be in closer quarters with the others
    there doing the livestream service... we do take them in with us
    when picking up our take out food, in case any other customers
    come in... :)

    At this point where I've been going masks have not been required of the
    public, though the employees have been wearing (company mandate). What
    was sort of funny was when I was chatting with the Head Cashier he did partially remove his mask -- so apparently I'm not viewed as too much of
    a threat! <g>



    I do think society in general will change: it will be almost a social
    disgrace to go out sick. Where the sick line is drawn I don't know:
    sniffles from allergies isn't catching but can be similiar to sniffles
    from a cold.
    For a while, maybe... and not that bad a thing in some respects for
    people to be allowed to stay home when actually sick... I expect that
    it'll be back more to what we've had pretty soon after the threat is
    over, people being what they are... only a hundred years ago was the
    Spanish Flu... and that didn't change behaviours forever... ;)
    Unfortunately. One could argue both ways: contracting and surviving makes one stronger (overall -- individuals could come out not so
    good). OTOH it does seem like one would be a Darwin Award consideration for teasing the situation.
    A reasonable exposure can make for a more hardy immune system...
    but one doesn't have to go rub one's face in the infection.... ;)

    Right.


    Small gatherings -- would be somewhat easy to maintain a bit of a
    distance, which I think will be decreased but not back to the almost
    walking into each other. Larger gathering will be more difficult to
    maintain a distance, especially as excitement builds on the event
    floor.
    We're going to be back to having weddings and funerals.... some of
    those are relatively small... but I don't think that someone wanting
    a large wedding is going to hold back just because.... And a large
    family will make for a large funeral....
    True. Heard a comment on the radio one could have multiple weddings:
    one for family, once for friends, one for office co-workers....
    Some people have done similar before... with a small official
    ceremony, and then a larger reception later.... having too many
    parties could be a bit too much in my mind, though...

    Yes; I'm not much of a 'party animal' and so would probably consider celebrating the same milestone five or six times to be excessive.



    Sort of along the large gatherings part, they just announced the Bix 7
    -- seven mile foot race up Brady St. Hill, up and down along the top,
    then back down -- will be done virtually this year. Not quite sure how and of the details: as long as done in July (race is usually held the
    end of July). One comment said all seven miles could be done on a treadmill,
    That will be an interesting variation... not really the same as a
    proper race, though.... ;)

    I haven't heard anything more -- quite sure information on the website.
    And somehow the individual virtual races were going to be combined into
    a race the viewers on the streets, etc., could watch: some 'merely'
    cheer on as the racers run by, other have water tables, other have
    viewing parties and grill out or bounce houses for the kids....


    Business will be interesting. For "corporate stuff" they've found a
    lot could be done from home, so might be a way for the many of the cube
    farms to be disassembled, possibly replacing a few with conference
    rooms for when people do have to meet once or three times a week.
    Maybe.... as long as the management doesn't feel the need to be
    hands-on meddling in every detail....
    Keep the six foot rule and so keep management's hands off! <g> The article indicated there will be a need to be concise so the droning on
    and on should be minimized (should have been before!). Of course the problem there is some management styles are very hands-on, as in personally involved. I preferred tell me and leave me alone but be available to help (not do).
    My guess is that the managers won't have changed all that much
    just because they had a hiatus from work... I was fortunate in
    having had helpful but hands-off managers when I was working...
    :)

    Pretty much me too. and a sign of a good manager to know when to back
    off and when to step in.



    Yes, plus is a constant evolution. And it seems there was so maybe
    still is a clothing store or two had some sort of app where the
    customer took a full-length picture of themselves and the app figured
    out what the customer needed for sizes.
    And there are some decent mail-order clothing catalogs, which
    haven't changed.... :)

    True: some mail-order sites were better quality than some of the
    in-store offerings and hopefully will continue.


    True. I know I went to work several times just because "it was the
    thing to do".
    Fortunately, I don't get sick all that often... and when I do, I'm
    really sick and couldn't go in if I wanted to... :)
    Ouch, but that is sort of good. I've sort of 'evolved' so my colds
    aren't externally looking too bad but last longer.
    I rarely get colds now... :)

    Learned to stay away from those people who did! <g>




    True. A lot of 'all depends'. And what might be a problem for one
    person would not be a problem for another. A parent might find
    working at home they can break up their eight-hour job so it lasts
    twelve or even fourteen. Might sound horrible initially but work a
    couple hours, get the kids off to school, go back to work, take a 15
    minute lunch, work a bit, kids back from school and take a break with
    them, back to work, start preparing dinner, work a bit while dinner is
    cooking, dinner, a little more work.
    A different sort of flex-time... ;) But that is the sort of schedule
    that many self-employed working at home already have had... :)
    Yes - an advantage of working from home is/was the breaks as needed.
    Rest of the family and friends just had to realize it didn't mean they could barge in at any time. Pets too, but that could be a comforting distraction.
    One does need to set boundaries... ;)

    True. ...Reminded me: the weatherman was doing his broadcast from home,
    his Family Room. The immediately preceeding segment was how people are
    taking virtual tours and one of the popular ones was to volcanoes; the weatherman mentioned his kids were also really into volcanoes and where
    he was sitting was in hot lava according to his kids. :)



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/1 to Barry Martin on Tue May 26 16:17:00 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 14-May-2020 12:34 <=-

    While I think of it back from the store - did buy some Ginger Tea.
    Oddly didn't see the house brand Green Tea; did see national brands.

    Never know what will be sold out of... especially now... ;) Have you
    tried the Ginger tea yet...?

    For sure... :) Some of that is merely good health sense... The
    negative is in the what may be overkill reactions to dealing with it,
    at least in the long term, of the social distancing and isolations and
    even masks and gloves.... Hopefully the restrictions will be all
    lifted when the crisis is over, leaving just the reasonable health
    responses... :)
    It will be interesting! Right now the masking and gloves and santizing
    everything might be an overreaction.
    Possibly.... certainly more than I'd necessarily find necessary,
    but then I tend to be more laid back about such things...
    Yes -- as I've indicated I'm taking precautions like wiping hand
    sanitizer on the cart handle as I take it from the parking lot -
    probably would do the same if inside unless indentified as sanitized.
    And probably not a bad idea to be doing that at this point...
    Cleaning the cart handle may or may not be the thing saving me from getting ill: at this point seems to be a cheap and easy precaution. I don't know who touched that handle; OTOH I feel reasonably comfortable being semi-close to the employees I'm chatting with, as do they.

    Here it depends on the particular employee... some are more comfortable
    than others with being in closer quarters...

    Not wearing a mask: not going any place where I feel I need one; do
    bring one with me as if the shop prefers I do I'll abide.
    Now that it's more mandated for out in public, we are wearing masks,
    but only in situations that we have to... Wegmans has a sign posted
    requiring, the blood draw place requires it... at church, only when
    going to be in closer quarters with the others there doing the
    livestream service... we do take them in with us when picking up our
    take out food, in case any other customers come in... :)
    At this point where I've been going masks have not been required of
    the public, though the employees have been wearing (company mandate). What was sort of funny was when I was chatting with the Head Cashier he did partially remove his mask -- so apparently I'm not viewed as too
    much of a threat! <g>

    As long as you don't turn out to be one of those asymtomatic carriers...
    highly unlikely, but one just never knows... ;) A Bakery Manager we
    often chat with has come out and partially removed her mask, the better
    to hear and be heard, when we've seen her... as long as distance is
    kept, the mask is less necessary though... I'm surprised that you've not
    been required to wear them though...

    Small gatherings -- would be somewhat easy to maintain a bit of a
    distance, which I think will be decreased but not back to the almost
    walking into each other. Larger gathering will be more difficult to
    maintain a distance, especially as excitement builds on the event
    floor.
    We're going to be back to having weddings and funerals.... some of
    those are relatively small... but I don't think that someone wanting
    a large wedding is going to hold back just because.... And a large
    family will make for a large funeral....
    True. Heard a comment on the radio one could have multiple weddings:
    one for family, once for friends, one for office co-workers.... Some
    people have done similar before... with a small official ceremony, and
    then a larger reception later.... having too many parties could be a
    bit too much in my mind, though...
    Yes; I'm not much of a 'party animal' and so would probably consider celebrating the same milestone five or six times to be excessive.

    Would depend on how many people you'd have wanted to have been at the
    original gathering.. :) When we got married, we planned to keep it
    small and simple... our closest friends we included in some way in the
    wedding personnel (usher, photographer, etc) and otherwise just told
    everyone that it was just going to be family... and we sent out
    announcements rather than invitations to some extended family not
    expected to be able to attend anyway... :)

    Sort of along the large gatherings part, they just announced the Bix 7
    -- seven mile foot race up Brady St. Hill, up and down along the top,
    then back down -- will be done virtually this year. Not quite sure how
    and of the details: as long as done in July (race is usually held the
    end of July). One comment said all seven miles could be done on a
    treadmill,
    That will be an interesting variation... not really the same as a
    proper race, though.... ;)
    I haven't heard anything more -- quite sure information on the
    website. And somehow the individual virtual races were going to be combined into a race the viewers on the streets, etc., could watch:
    some 'merely' cheer on as the racers run by, other have water tables, other have viewing parties and grill out or bounce houses for the
    kids....

    Can't see how water tables would be useful for a virtual race.... ;)

    Business will be interesting. For "corporate stuff" they've found a
    lot could be done from home, so might be a way for the many of the cube
    farms to be disassembled, possibly replacing a few with conference
    rooms for when people do have to meet once or three times a week.
    Maybe.... as long as the management doesn't feel the need to be
    hands-on meddling in every detail....
    Keep the six foot rule and so keep management's hands off! <g> The
    article indicated there will be a need to be concise so the droning on
    and on should be minimized (should have been before!). Of course the
    problem there is some management styles are very hands-on, as in
    personally involved. I preferred tell me and leave me alone but be
    available to help (not do).
    My guess is that the managers won't have changed all that much just
    because they had a hiatus from work... I was fortunate in having had
    helpful but hands-off managers when I was working... :)
    Pretty much me too. and a sign of a good manager to know when to back
    off and when to step in.

    Exactly. :)

    True. I know I went to work several times just because "it was the
    thing to do".
    Fortunately, I don't get sick all that often... and when I do, I'm
    really sick and couldn't go in if I wanted to... :)
    Ouch, but that is sort of good. I've sort of 'evolved' so my colds
    aren't externally looking too bad but last longer.
    I rarely get colds now... :)
    Learned to stay away from those people who did! <g>

    Or developed a better immune system, maybe... :)

    True. A lot of 'all depends'. And what might be a problem for one
    person would not be a problem for another. A parent might find
    working at home they can break up their eight-hour job so it lasts
    twelve or even fourteen. Might sound horrible initially but work a
    couple hours, get the kids off to school, go back to work, take a 15
    minute lunch, work a bit, kids back from school and take a break with
    them, back to work, start preparing dinner, work a bit while dinner is
    cooking, dinner, a little more work.
    A different sort of flex-time... ;) But that is the sort of schedule
    that many self-employed working at home already have had... :)
    Yes - an advantage of working from home is/was the breaks as needed.
    Rest of the family and friends just had to realize it didn't mean they
    could barge in at any time. Pets too, but that could be a comforting
    distraction.
    One does need to set boundaries... ;)
    True. ...Reminded me: the weatherman was doing his broadcast from
    home, his Family Room. The immediately preceeding segment was how
    people are taking virtual tours and one of the popular ones was to volcanoes; the weatherman mentioned his kids were also really into volcanoes and where he was sitting was in hot lava according to his
    kids. :)

    Cute. :) The kids were occupying themselves there as he was giving
    his broadcast...? Or that was just the spot it would show up in the
    tour...?

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed May 27 09:46:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    While I think of it back from the store - did buy some Ginger Tea.
    Oddly didn't see the house brand Green Tea; did see national brands.
    Never know what will be sold out of... especially now... ;) Have
    you tried the Ginger tea yet...?

    Yes: did and didn't seem odd for them to be out of the Hy-Vee brand of
    Green Tea. I'm thinking a combination of 'tight stock' ==> keep the
    overhead down -- and maybe some news report reminding people of the
    benefits of green tea spurring a spike in sales. Or happens the Hy-Vee
    Green Tea Drinkers all ran out at the same time!

    Did try the Ginger Tea -- slightly spicy but with an overall smoothness;
    I'll probably get it again. Haven't had for a week or so as has gotten
    hot here and I rarely drink anything hot other than my morning coffee.
    Will have to look into it as an iced tea.



    Cleaning the cart handle may or may not be the thing saving me from getting ill: at this point seems to be a cheap and easy precaution. I don't know who touched that handle; OTOH I feel reasonably comfortable being semi-close to the employees I'm chatting with, as do they.
    Here it depends on the particular employee... some are more
    comfortable than others with being in closer quarters...

    Right: I try to let them govern the distance through body language, etc.



    Not wearing a mask: not going any place where I feel I need one; do
    bring one with me as if the shop prefers I do I'll abide.
    Now that it's more mandated for out in public, we are wearing masks,
    but only in situations that we have to... Wegmans has a sign posted
    requiring, the blood draw place requires it... at church, only when
    going to be in closer quarters with the others there doing the
    livestream service... we do take them in with us when picking up our
    take out food, in case any other customers come in... :)
    At this point where I've been going masks have not been required of
    the public, though the employees have been wearing (company mandate).
    What was sort of funny was when I was chatting with the Head Cashier he did partially remove his mask -- so apparently I'm not viewed as too
    much of a threat! <g>
    As long as you don't turn out to be one of those asymtomatic
    carriers... highly unlikely, but one just never knows... ;) A

    I'm thinking anything's possible: one week it's "children rarely get it",
    the next week they're reporting a spike in childrens cases. LIS some
    time back, I'd almost like to get super-light case just to gain the
    antibodies and so future-protect myself.


    Bakery Manager we often chat with has come out and partially
    removed her mask, the better to hear and be heard, when we've
    seen her... as long as distance is kept, the mask is less
    necessary though... I'm surprised that you've not been required
    to wear them though...

    I'm a little surprised I'm not required to wear a mask also. Certain
    places like doctor's offices require but I haven't been yet. I'm also half-suprised when entering larger places like Hy-Vee there isn't a temperature-checker person.



    True. Heard a comment on the radio one could have multiple weddings:
    one for family, once for friends, one for office co-workers.... Some
    people have done similar before... with a small official ceremony, and
    then a larger reception later.... having too many parties could be a
    bit too much in my mind, though...
    Yes; I'm not much of a 'party animal' and so would probably consider celebrating the same milestone five or six times to be excessive.
    Would depend on how many people you'd have wanted to have been at
    the original gathering.. :) When we got married, we planned to
    keep it small and simple... our closest friends we included in
    some way in the wedding personnel (usher, photographer, etc) and
    otherwise just told everyone that it was just going to be
    family... and we sent out announcements rather than invitations
    to some extended family not expected to be able to attend
    anyway... :)

    Yes: they get included and acknowledged.



    Sort of along the large gatherings part, they just announced the Bix 7
    -- seven mile foot race up Brady St. Hill, up and down along the top,
    then back down -- will be done virtually this year. Not quite sure how
    and of the details: as long as done in July (race is usually held the
    end of July). One comment said all seven miles could be done on a
    treadmill,
    That will be an interesting variation... not really the same as a
    proper race, though.... ;)
    I haven't heard anything more -- quite sure information on the
    website. And somehow the individual virtual races were going to be combined into a race the viewers on the streets, etc., could watch:
    some 'merely' cheer on as the racers run by, other have water tables, other have viewing parties and grill out or bounce houses for the
    kids....
    Can't see how water tables would be useful for a virtual race....
    ;)

    Could even be dangerous to the electronics creating the virtual-ness!!
    New meaning to the golf term 'water hazard'!



    True. I know I went to work several times just because "it was the
    thing to do".
    Fortunately, I don't get sick all that often... and when I do, I'm
    really sick and couldn't go in if I wanted to... :)
    Ouch, but that is sort of good. I've sort of 'evolved' so my colds
    aren't externally looking too bad but last longer.
    I rarely get colds now... :)
    Learned to stay away from those people who did! <g>
    Or developed a better immune system, maybe... :)

    Probably the latter. The old "don't spray it, say it" comes to mind.



    True. ...Reminded me: the weatherman was doing his broadcast from
    home, his Family Room. The immediately preceeding segment was how
    people are taking virtual tours and one of the popular ones was to volcanoes; the weatherman mentioned his kids were also really into volcanoes and where he was sitting was in hot lava according to his
    kids. :)
    Cute. :) The kids were occupying themselves there as he was
    giving his broadcast...? Or that was just the spot it would show
    up in the tour...?

    They were out of the room at the time; probably had set boundaries early
    on Dad needed to be alone in the Family Room during certain times.
    There have been a few of the morning broadcasts where we (the viewing audience) could hear his kids fighting (bickering) in the background over breakfast. The 'hot lava' was from a game "on pause". Autumn has also
    done the hot lava thing, as well as make a throw rug/area rug water or a swimming pool.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/1 to Barry Martin on Tue May 26 16:17:00 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 14-May-2020 12:34 <=-

    While I think of it back from the store - did buy some Ginger Tea.
    Oddly didn't see the house brand Green Tea; did see national brands.

    Never know what will be sold out of... especially now... ;) Have you
    tried the Ginger tea yet...?

    For sure... :) Some of that is merely good health sense... The
    negative is in the what may be overkill reactions to dealing with it,
    at least in the long term, of the social distancing and isolations and
    even masks and gloves.... Hopefully the restrictions will be all
    lifted when the crisis is over, leaving just the reasonable health
    responses... :)
    It will be interesting! Right now the masking and gloves and santizing
    everything might be an overreaction.
    Possibly.... certainly more than I'd necessarily find necessary,
    but then I tend to be more laid back about such things...
    Yes -- as I've indicated I'm taking precautions like wiping hand
    sanitizer on the cart handle as I take it from the parking lot -
    probably would do the same if inside unless indentified as sanitized.
    And probably not a bad idea to be doing that at this point...
    Cleaning the cart handle may or may not be the thing saving me from getting ill: at this point seems to be a cheap and easy precaution. I don't know who touched that handle; OTOH I feel reasonably comfortable being semi-close to the employees I'm chatting with, as do they.

    Here it depends on the particular employee... some are more comfortable
    than others with being in closer quarters...

    Not wearing a mask: not going any place where I feel I need one; do
    bring one with me as if the shop prefers I do I'll abide.
    Now that it's more mandated for out in public, we are wearing masks,
    but only in situations that we have to... Wegmans has a sign posted
    requiring, the blood draw place requires it... at church, only when
    going to be in closer quarters with the others there doing the
    livestream service... we do take them in with us when picking up our
    take out food, in case any other customers come in... :)
    At this point where I've been going masks have not been required of
    the public, though the employees have been wearing (company mandate). What was sort of funny was when I was chatting with the Head Cashier he did partially remove his mask -- so apparently I'm not viewed as too
    much of a threat! <g>

    As long as you don't turn out to be one of those asymtomatic carriers...
    highly unlikely, but one just never knows... ;) A Bakery Manager we
    often chat with has come out and partially removed her mask, the better
    to hear and be heard, when we've seen her... as long as distance is
    kept, the mask is less necessary though... I'm surprised that you've not
    been required to wear them though...

    Small gatherings -- would be somewhat easy to maintain a bit of a
    distance, which I think will be decreased but not back to the almost
    walking into each other. Larger gathering will be more difficult to
    maintain a distance, especially as excitement builds on the event
    floor.
    We're going to be back to having weddings and funerals.... some of
    those are relatively small... but I don't think that someone wanting
    a large wedding is going to hold back just because.... And a large
    family will make for a large funeral....
    True. Heard a comment on the radio one could have multiple weddings:
    one for family, once for friends, one for office co-workers.... Some
    people have done similar before... with a small official ceremony, and
    then a larger reception later.... having too many parties could be a
    bit too much in my mind, though...
    Yes; I'm not much of a 'party animal' and so would probably consider celebrating the same milestone five or six times to be excessive.

    Would depend on how many people you'd have wanted to have been at the
    original gathering.. :) When we got married, we planned to keep it
    small and simple... our closest friends we included in some way in the
    wedding personnel (usher, photographer, etc) and otherwise just told
    everyone that it was just going to be family... and we sent out
    announcements rather than invitations to some extended family not
    expected to be able to attend anyway... :)

    Sort of along the large gatherings part, they just announced the Bix 7
    -- seven mile foot race up Brady St. Hill, up and down along the top,
    then back down -- will be done virtually this year. Not quite sure how
    and of the details: as long as done in July (race is usually held the
    end of July). One comment said all seven miles could be done on a
    treadmill,
    That will be an interesting variation... not really the same as a
    proper race, though.... ;)
    I haven't heard anything more -- quite sure information on the
    website. And somehow the individual virtual races were going to be combined into a race the viewers on the streets, etc., could watch:
    some 'merely' cheer on as the racers run by, other have water tables, other have viewing parties and grill out or bounce houses for the
    kids....

    Can't see how water tables would be useful for a virtual race.... ;)

    Business will be interesting. For "corporate stuff" they've found a
    lot could be done from home, so might be a way for the many of the cube
    farms to be disassembled, possibly replacing a few with conference
    rooms for when people do have to meet once or three times a week.
    Maybe.... as long as the management doesn't feel the need to be
    hands-on meddling in every detail....
    Keep the six foot rule and so keep management's hands off! <g> The
    article indicated there will be a need to be concise so the droning on
    and on should be minimized (should have been before!). Of course the
    problem there is some management styles are very hands-on, as in
    personally involved. I preferred tell me and leave me alone but be
    available to help (not do).
    My guess is that the managers won't have changed all that much just
    because they had a hiatus from work... I was fortunate in having had
    helpful but hands-off managers when I was working... :)
    Pretty much me too. and a sign of a good manager to know when to back
    off and when to step in.

    Exactly. :)

    True. I know I went to work several times just because "it was the
    thing to do".
    Fortunately, I don't get sick all that often... and when I do, I'm
    really sick and couldn't go in if I wanted to... :)
    Ouch, but that is sort of good. I've sort of 'evolved' so my colds
    aren't externally looking too bad but last longer.
    I rarely get colds now... :)
    Learned to stay away from those people who did! <g>

    Or developed a better immune system, maybe... :)

    True. A lot of 'all depends'. And what might be a problem for one
    person would not be a problem for another. A parent might find
    working at home they can break up their eight-hour job so it lasts
    twelve or even fourteen. Might sound horrible initially but work a
    couple hours, get the kids off to school, go back to work, take a 15
    minute lunch, work a bit, kids back from school and take a break with
    them, back to work, start preparing dinner, work a bit while dinner is
    cooking, dinner, a little more work.
    A different sort of flex-time... ;) But that is the sort of schedule
    that many self-employed working at home already have had... :)
    Yes - an advantage of working from home is/was the breaks as needed.
    Rest of the family and friends just had to realize it didn't mean they
    could barge in at any time. Pets too, but that could be a comforting
    distraction.
    One does need to set boundaries... ;)
    True. ...Reminded me: the weatherman was doing his broadcast from
    home, his Family Room. The immediately preceeding segment was how
    people are taking virtual tours and one of the popular ones was to volcanoes; the weatherman mentioned his kids were also really into volcanoes and where he was sitting was in hot lava according to his
    kids. :)

    Cute. :) The kids were occupying themselves there as he was giving
    his broadcast...? Or that was just the spot it would show up in the
    tour...?

    ttyl neb

    ... There is a plot afoot to make me think I'm paranoid!SEEN-BY: 1/1 452
  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Jun 4 19:25:00 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 27-May-2020 09:46 <=-

    While I think of it back from the store - did buy some Ginger Tea.
    Oddly didn't see the house brand Green Tea; did see national brands.
    Never know what will be sold out of... especially now... ;) Have
    you tried the Ginger tea yet...?
    Yes: did and didn't seem odd for them to be out of the Hy-Vee brand of Green Tea. I'm thinking a combination of 'tight stock' ==> keep the overhead down -- and maybe some news report reminding people of the benefits of green tea spurring a spike in sales. Or happens the
    Hy-Vee Green Tea Drinkers all ran out at the same time!

    Or the shipping was disrupted in some way....

    Did try the Ginger Tea -- slightly spicy but with an overall
    smoothness; I'll probably get it again. Haven't had for a week or so
    as has gotten hot here and I rarely drink anything hot other than my morning coffee. Will have to look into it as an iced tea.

    It should make a nice iced tea, too... :)

    Cleaning the cart handle may or may not be the thing saving me from
    getting ill: at this point seems to be a cheap and easy precaution. I
    don't know who touched that handle; OTOH I feel reasonably comfortable
    being semi-close to the employees I'm chatting with, as do they.
    Here it depends on the particular employee... some are more
    comfortable than others with being in closer quarters...
    Right: I try to let them govern the distance through body language,
    etc.

    I tend to leave some space, but don't usually back away when someone
    encroaches on my space, until they are right in my face... that can be a
    little too close... ;)

    Not wearing a mask: not going any place where I feel I need one; do
    bring one with me as if the shop prefers I do I'll abide.
    Now that it's more mandated for out in public, we are wearing masks,
    but only in situations that we have to... Wegmans has a sign posted
    requiring, the blood draw place requires it... at church, only when
    going to be in closer quarters with the others there doing the
    livestream service... we do take them in with us when picking up our
    take out food, in case any other customers come in... :)
    At this point where I've been going masks have not been required of
    the public, though the employees have been wearing (company mandate).
    What was sort of funny was when I was chatting with the Head Cashier he
    did partially remove his mask -- so apparently I'm not viewed as too
    much of a threat! <g>
    As long as you don't turn out to be one of those asymtomatic
    carriers... highly unlikely, but one just never knows... ;)
    I'm thinking anything's possible: one week it's "children rarely get
    it", the next week they're reporting a spike in childrens cases. LIS
    some time back, I'd almost like to get super-light case just to gain
    the antibodies and so future-protect myself.

    I'm rather hoping that the light exposure to the germs might be building
    up some antibodies in me, as well... might not even have to have a
    proper case at all, I'm thinking... :)

    A Bakery Manager we often chat with has come out and partially
    removed her mask, the better to hear and be heard, when we've seen
    her... as long as distance is kept, the mask is less necessary...
    I'm surprised that you've not been required to wear them though...
    I'm a little surprised I'm not required to wear a mask also. Certain places like doctor's offices require but I haven't been yet. I'm also half-suprised when entering larger places like Hy-Vee there isn't a temperature-checker person.

    There is a lot of variance between states, and even localities and
    particular stores, as to what protective measures must or should be
    kept, and how much is left to be voluntary....

    Yes; I'm not much of a 'party animal' and so would probably consider
    celebrating the same milestone five or six times to be excessive.
    Would depend on how many people you'd have wanted to have been at the
    original gathering.. :) When we got married, we planned to keep it
    small and simple... our closest friends we included in some way in the
    wedding personnel (usher, photographer, etc) and otherwise just told
    everyone that it was just going to be family... and we sent out
    announcements rather than invitations to some extended family not
    expected to be able to attend anyway... :)
    Yes: they get included and acknowledged.

    Exactly... :)

    Sort of along the large gatherings part, they just announced the Bix 7
    -- seven mile foot race up Brady St. Hill, up and down along the top,
    then back down -- will be done virtually this year. Not quite sure how
    and of the details: as long as done in July (race is usually held the
    end of July). One comment said all seven miles could be done on a
    treadmill,
    That will be an interesting variation... not really the same as a
    proper race, though.... ;)
    I haven't heard anything more -- quite sure information on the
    website. And somehow the individual virtual races were going to be
    combined into a race the viewers on the streets, etc., could watch:
    some 'merely' cheer on as the racers run by, other have water tables,
    other have viewing parties and grill out or bounce houses for the
    kids....
    Can't see how water tables would be useful for a virtual race.... ;)
    Could even be dangerous to the electronics creating the virtual-ness!!
    New meaning to the golf term 'water hazard'!

    I suppose... I still can't wrap my head around how that virtual race
    would work out with the audience....

    True. ...Reminded me: the weatherman was doing his broadcast from
    home, his Family Room. The immediately preceeding segment was how
    people are taking virtual tours and one of the popular ones was to
    volcanoes; the weatherman mentioned his kids were also really into
    volcanoes and where he was sitting was in hot lava according to his
    kids. :)
    Cute. :) The kids were occupying themselves there as he was giving
    his broadcast...? Or that was just the spot it would show up in the
    tour...?
    They were out of the room at the time; probably had set boundaries
    early on Dad needed to be alone in the Family Room during certain
    times. There have been a few of the morning broadcasts where we (the viewing audience) could hear his kids fighting (bickering) in the background over breakfast. The 'hot lava' was from a game "on pause". Autumn has also done the hot lava thing, as well as make a throw
    rug/area rug water or a swimming pool.

    At least Autumn's is all in her imagination, not augmented by virtual
    tours.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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