Continuing....
<COVID-19>
Very few if any places are totally unaffected now....
Unfortunately yes. The Iowa Governor extended school closures through
April 30th; locally the school boards are trying to keep high school
seniors' graduations on schedule ==> won't have the ceremony but at
least the diploma.
Our schools are closed at least until April 29th, too... kids areI'm half-expecting another extension until mid-May -- at least here in
doing distance learning and being home-schooled, too... And the
colleges are doing things all online, too...
the Midwest; New York/East Coast might be able to start reopening
around the first of May just because that area had it earlier than here.
At this point there still is no decision on whether or not
schools will reopen before the end of the school year... Although
we do seem to be coming on the downward side of the curve now,
there's no way to know whether it will be a quick drop or a
flatter/longer one... and the last thing we want is for things to
suddenly spike upwards again...
The news has a chart of number of instances by county. Scott, Clinton
and Muscatine counties (me, north of here, south of here) are the
highest -- yeah, we're also the most populous (in this part of Iowa)
-- of course we're going to have the most COVID-19 cases! To me would make more sense if also showed percentage.
That could be a useful tool... especially for an informed
comparison...
Nothing's been said but I wonder about what's going on with upcoming
freshman college classes: the colleges and universities are closed.
Maybe the colleges just don't know what to plan for the fall...That and the summer sessions! As you indicated, too early to tell.
it's so much a wait-and-see now....
And just last night, when I was talking on the phone with a
friend, she looked up what the status of colleges opening in the
fall in our area was... generally they all were still in the wait
and see mode...
And when in-person classes do begin will cause a mixing of people, not only locally but the U.S. and internationally -- we have three colleges
/ universities with a significant international student body. I'd
guess a cursory medical check for flights but for those travelling by car....
Our major ones also have a significant international student body
as well... I don't know if all the international students went
home, or if they stayed put here... most are in apartments, not
in the dorms... Of course, distance learning can be done from
anywhere in the world now pretty much....
True.... Grocery stores becoming the new 'in' spot to gather and see
people! I'm thinking it's national but here the Target (Super Target,
with grocery) is limiting to 60 people inside at a time, Home Depot
limiting to 100. What's sort of funny is here the Target is much
larger than the Home Depot (excluding Garden Center) so the numbers
should be reversed.
Not sure if the big box stores here are limiting how many inside theHere also more encouragement to stay in place, only going out when necessary. I've been told Schnuck's grocery store (chain
store at a time, as I've not been anywhere near them, but so far
Wegmans hasn't limited, though they have now posted signs saying that
they reserve the right to do so if they feel it necessary... It's more
just encouraging the 6' away from each other and otherwise maintaining
distance from anyone... I'm not seeing so much of the stores being a
place for gathering, but then it is being actively discouraged...
headquartered in St. Louis) is restricting to 60 customers at a time.
I haven't heard of restictions at the other grocery stores (including Hy-Vee). Hy-Vee did put directional arrows on the(ir brand new!) floor
to sort of direct a flow of traffic to help keep people 6' apart.
No one-way aisles here, at least not yet... just the one-way in
and out of the store.... and a lot of the "stuff in the aisles"
to catch your attention has been moved out of the aisles to make
them wider... They expect the carts to help maintain the
distancing...
...Another thing to add a bit of confusion to my shopping while the
store is remodelling! Now I need to go down the Baby Food and Pet Food aisles!! (Um, that's plural: they're two distinct areas!)
I'd think so... <G> At least the baby food/baby items has a
separate section of the store here that I can just ignore... ;)
Back to the hoarders. I'm thinking they've calmed down some also,
though Hy-Vee did have quarts of orange juice at 99› (limit two) in the
Wednesday ads (print, TV, digital) and they were out Thursday morning.
Maybe they weren't able to get all the stock in that they'd ordered....A strong possibility too. LIS, I wasn't going to make a big deal out
of it; maybe in regular times see about getting a raincheck but
currently all rainchecks are suspended. Also I'm not going to make a special trip if told "we're expecting a truck tomorrow".
I wouldn't make a special trip, either... some things can be
foregone for a while if necessary... ;)
Then off to get gas before my points expired. No coffee-flavoured
M&Ms yet but the lady who is more in charge and originally said she'd
try to order said she and the supplier were still looking. :)
It does make me wonder if they were indeed a test-market item... ;)
But even if they were, they could be back, as a NEW item, introduced
more widely.... ;)
Possibly! Or another limited version in conjuction with Starbucks!
That would likely only be available at Starbucks... or as aHy-Vee now has an in-store Starbucks.
mail-in premium.... :)
In that case, it definitely would be a mail-in premium... have to
drink x cups of special Starbucks drinks to get the coffee
M&Ms... oh, and probably you have to upload a picture of your
receipts to some website in order to qualify.... ;)
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 24-Apr-2020 12:30 <=-
Subject: Covid-19 was: Miss.RvrDamBreach-Davenpt
<COVID-19>
Our schools are closed at least until April 29th, too... kids are
doing distance learning and being home-schooled, too... And the
colleges are doing things all online, too...
I'm half-expecting another extension until mid-May -- at least here in
the Midwest; New York/East Coast might be able to start reopening
around the first of May just because that area had it earlier than here.
At this point there still is no decision on whether or not schools
will reopen before the end of the school year...
Although we do seem to be coming on the downward side of the curveThe experts are mixed, though I think some are trying not to be
now, there's no way to know whether it will be a quick drop or a
flatter/longer one... and the last thing we want is for things to
suddenly spike upwards again...
Doomsday Prophets. I'm thinking the curve will be long in tapering off with multiple rises and falls as people 'are released' and forget the social distancing, cleanliness, etc., and so contract COVID-19. This reminds people and so they go back to protective measures (social distancing and cleanliness), and so back and forth. More people will
have developed an immunity (probably to varying degrees) and so that
will also help reduce the curve.
The news has a chart of number of instances by county. Scott, Clinton
and Muscatine counties (me, north of here, south of here) are the
highest -- yeah, we're also the most populous (in this part of Iowa)
-- of course we're going to have the most COVID-19 cases! To me would
make more sense if also showed percentage.
That could be a useful tool... especially for an informed comparison...IMO yes. Lots of little factors not being presented, or maybe better
to say overlooked. Italy had a very high death rate; later reported because they have an older population, not something 'Italian'.
Though is helpful to know the virus is harder on an older population.
One the opposite end was I think Zambia had no reported cases: they
also had no test kits so unable to report. Had sort of something
similar here: Louisa County (IA) had a sudden spike: they get a bunch
of test kits and so they were able to do more tests and so all of a
sudden a landslide of new cases. Louisa County is in Iowa, so that
cased the Iowa report to have an increase, not as much of a spike
because the other 98 counties' reporting format was constant. And probably also caused a mild bump in the U.S. reporting.
...Not that I'm scooping out these details, just are there and I'll sometimes do a quick alternative analysis.
Nothing's been said but I wonder about what's going on with upcoming
freshman college classes: the colleges and universities are closed.
Maybe the colleges just don't know what to plan for the fall...
it's so much a wait-and-see now....
That and the summer sessions! As you indicated, too early to tell.
And just last night, when I was talking on the phone with a friend,<nervous agreement chuckle> Which at this point makes sense.
she looked up what the status of colleges opening in the fall in our
area was... generally they all were still in the wait and see mode...
Currently just about all schools are shut down and no one knows for
sure when able to open. Hard to make plans. At this point I'm
guessing plan to continue with the on-line learning, and if things get cleared go back to in-person learning, though the on-line will probably continue as a popular alternative.
There's also a percentage of students who will take off the semester
or maybe even year -- always have been some but I'm thinking even more than usual. Combination of protective measure and building up some finances.
And when in-person classes do begin will cause a mixing of people, not
only locally but the U.S. and internationally -- we have three colleges
/ universities with a significant international student body. I'd
guess a cursory medical check for flights but for those travelling by
car....
Our major ones also have a significant international student body asRight. Lots of international students here also; I'm guessing about two-thirds of the colleges/universities have on-campus housing. I
well... I don't know if all the international students went home, or
if they stayed put here... most are in apartments, not in the dorms...
Of course, distance learning can be done from anywhere in the world
now pretty much....
have not heard anything on what's happened to the students - domestic
or international. My guess is a few have returned to where they originally were from; perhaps a lot just staying where they are because would eventually return and moving is expensive. Also percentage who
have no place to return: their plans were to move to someplace new.
Here also more encouragement to stay in place, only going out when
necessary. I've been told Schnuck's grocery store (chain
headquartered in St. Louis) is restricting to 60 customers at a time.
I haven't heard of restrictions at the other grocery stores (including
Hy-Vee). Hy-Vee did put directional arrows on their (brand new!) floor
to sort of direct a flow of traffic to help keep people 6' apart.
No one-way aisles here, at least not yet... just the one-way in> and"Come near me and I'll crash my cart into you!!" <g> The one-way
out of the store.... and a lot of the "stuff in the aisles" to catch
your attention has been moved out of the aisles to make them wider...
They expect the carts to help maintain the distancing...
aisles might be more of a psychological thing: it is a lot easier to
stay six feet from the other customer wandering down the aisle but when they stop to get or contemplate an item one still has to pass them.
I did skip going to Hy-Vee yesterday: nothing advertised I really
needed. I remember was two items but not recalling what they were. Definitely not worth a special trip.
...Another thing to add a bit of confusion to my shopping while the
store is remodelling! Now I need to go down the Baby Food and Pet Food
aisles!! (Um, that's plural: they're two distinct areas!)
I'd think so... <G> At least the baby food/baby items has aAnd helps you can 'legally' skip as no one-way aisle routing! <g>
separate section of the store here that I can just ignore... ;)
A strong possibility too. LIS, I wasn't going to make a big deal out
of it; maybe in regular times see about getting a raincheck but
currently all rainchecks are suspended. Also I'm not going to make a
special trip if told "we're expecting a truck tomorrow".
I wouldn't make a special trip, either... some things can be foregoneWe tend to buy ahead anyway: buy on sale/with coupon makes more sense
for a while if necessary... ;)
than buying at full price. Not always possible and sometimes need
now. The 99› orange juice isn't a need but a desire -- a glass of
orange juice would be nice but I don't require it.
<COVID-19>
Our schools are closed at least until April 29th, too... kids are
doing distance learning and being home-schooled, too... And the
colleges are doing things all online, too...
I'm half-expecting another extension until mid-May -- at least here in
the Midwest; New York/East Coast might be able to start reopening
around the first of May just because that area had it earlier than here.
At this point there still is no decision on whether or not schoolsUpdate... a couple days ago, the governor announced that he was
will reopen before the end of the school year...
keeping all the schools and colleges closed for the rest of this
academic year...
Although we do seem to be coming on the downward side of the curveThe experts are mixed, though I think some are trying not to be
now, there's no way to know whether it will be a quick drop or a
flatter/longer one... and the last thing we want is for things to
suddenly spike upwards again...
Doomsday Prophets. I'm thinking the curve will be long in tapering off with multiple rises and falls as people 'are released' and forget the social distancing, cleanliness, etc., and so contract COVID-19. This reminds people and so they go back to protective measures (social distancing and cleanliness), and so back and forth. More people will
have developed an immunity (probably to varying degrees) and so that
will also help reduce the curve.
I guess we'll just have to see how things actually play out....
The news has a chart of number of instances by county. Scott, Clinton
and Muscatine counties (me, north of here, south of here) are the
highest -- yeah, we're also the most populous (in this part of Iowa)
-- of course we're going to have the most COVID-19 cases! To me would
make more sense if also showed percentage.
That could be a useful tool... especially for an informed comparison...IMO yes. Lots of little factors not being presented, or maybe better
to say overlooked. Italy had a very high death rate; later reported because they have an older population, not something 'Italian'.
Though is helpful to know the virus is harder on an older population.
One the opposite end was I think Zambia had no reported cases: they
also had no test kits so unable to report. Had sort of something
similar here: Louisa County (IA) had a sudden spike: they get a bunch
of test kits and so they were able to do more tests and so all of a
sudden a landslide of new cases. Louisa County is in Iowa, so that
cased the Iowa report to have an increase, not as much of a spike
because the other 98 counties' reporting format was constant. And probably also caused a mild bump in the U.S. reporting.
The ability or inability to test widely does seem to have a major
impact on what the statistics and such end up being....
...Not that I'm scooping out these details, just are there and I'll sometimes do a quick alternative analysis.
I'm not searching out stuff, but I do listen to the news blurbs
on my classical radio station... sometimes not really because I
want to but because it's there... so I do get somewhat of an
overview on things... Richard has been going on the state website
to hear our governor's daily updates, to get directly what the
various executive orders are....
Nothing's been said but I wonder about what's going on with upcoming
freshman college classes: the colleges and universities are closed.
Maybe the colleges just don't know what to plan for the fall...
it's so much a wait-and-see now....
That and the summer sessions! As you indicated, too early to tell.
And just last night, when I was talking on the phone with a friend,<nervous agreement chuckle> Which at this point makes sense.
she looked up what the status of colleges opening in the fall in our
area was... generally they all were still in the wait and see mode...
Currently just about all schools are shut down and no one knows for
sure when able to open. Hard to make plans. At this point I'm
guessing plan to continue with the on-line learning, and if things get cleared go back to in-person learning, though the on-line will probably continue as a popular alternative.
There's benefits and drawbacks to each kind of learning... and
some majors are much more dependent on in-person types of
activities than others... A lot of classes already have been
being done mostly if not totally online, even before this....
There's also a percentage of students who will take off the semester
or maybe even year -- always have been some but I'm thinking even more than usual. Combination of protective measure and building up some finances.
Time will tell if more decide it's safer to stay home... for
some, returning to school might be better than staying in a
locality that might be earlier in the curve than where their
college is...
Here also more encouragement to stay in place, only going out when
necessary. I've been told Schnuck's grocery store (chain
headquartered in St. Louis) is restricting to 60 customers at a time.
I haven't heard of restrictions at the other grocery stores (including
Hy-Vee). Hy-Vee did put directional arrows on their (brand new!) floor
to sort of direct a flow of traffic to help keep people 6' apart.
No one-way aisles here, at least not yet... just the one-way in> and"Come near me and I'll crash my cart into you!!" <g> The one-way
out of the store.... and a lot of the "stuff in the aisles" to catch
your attention has been moved out of the aisles to make them wider...
They expect the carts to help maintain the distancing...
aisles might be more of a psychological thing: it is a lot easier to
stay six feet from the other customer wandering down the aisle but when they stop to get or contemplate an item one still has to pass them.
There's less chance of spreading contagion if one isn't meeting
face on, I suppose... We still don't have one-way aisles at
Wegmans, but BJ's did put them in for the narrower cross
aisles...
I did skip going to Hy-Vee yesterday: nothing advertised I really
needed. I remember was two items but not recalling what they were. Definitely not worth a special trip.
We are just doing our usual once-a-week shopping... only special
trips are if something important is running out... like milk or
the cats' kibble.... <G>
...Another thing to add a bit of confusion to my shopping while the
store is remodelling! Now I need to go down the Baby Food and Pet Food
aisles!! (Um, that's plural: they're two distinct areas!)
I'd think so... <G> At least the baby food/baby items has aAnd helps you can 'legally' skip as no one-way aisle routing! <g>
separate section of the store here that I can just ignore... ;)
And even if there were one-way routing, that's in a part that can
be avoided anyway.... :)
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 03-May-2020 09:10 <=-
Update... a couple days ago, the governor announced that he wasI'm thinking we're keeping schools in Iowa closed until next academic
keeping all the schools and colleges closed for the rest of this
academic year...
year also; to me makes more sense to have consistency.
Although we do seem to be coming on the downward side of the curve
now, there's no way to know whether it will be a quick drop or a
flatter/longer one... and the last thing we want is for things to
suddenly spike upwards again...
The experts are mixed, though I think some are trying not to be
Doomsday Prophets. I'm thinking the curve will be long in tapering off
with multiple rises and falls as people 'are released' and forget the
social distancing, cleanliness, etc., and so contract COVID-19. This
reminds people and so they go back to protective measures (social
distancing and cleanliness), and so back and forth. More people will
have developed an immunity (probably to varying degrees) and so that
will also help reduce the curve.
I guess we'll just have to see how things actually play out....True. Us non-scientists are doing a lot of guessing, and IMO sometimes acting illogically. News reporting pop-up areas of resistance to the
stay at home orders; Illinois has two lawsuits pending against the Governor for overstepping his legal authority. OK, so people are
getting antsy and seeing nothing happening to them and immediate circles of family and friends; doesn't mean the problem isn't still present.
The news has a chart of number of instances by county. Scott, Clinton
and Muscatine counties (me, north of here, south of here) are the
highest -- yeah, we're also the most populous (in this part of Iowa)
-- of course we're going to have the most COVID-19 cases! To me would
make more sense if also showed percentage.
That could be a useful tool... especially for an informed comparison...
IMO yes. Lots of little factors not being presented, or maybe better
to say overlooked. Italy had a very high death rate; later reported
because they have an older population, not something 'Italian'.
Though is helpful to know the virus is harder on an older population.
One the opposite end was I think Zambia had no reported cases: they
also had no test kits so unable to report. Had sort of something
similar here: Louisa County (IA) had a sudden spike: they get a bunch
of test kits and so they were able to do more tests and so all of a
sudden a landslide of new cases. Louisa County is in Iowa, so that
cased the Iowa report to have an increase, not as much of a spike
because the other 98 counties' reporting format was constant. And
probably also caused a mild bump in the U.S. reporting.
The ability or inability to test widely does seem to have a majorOddly yes. :)
impact on what the statistics and such end up being....
...Not that I'm scooping out these details, just are there and I'll
sometimes do a quick alternative analysis.
I'm not searching out stuff, but I do listen to the news blurbs onLocally one of our TV stations has been carrying the Iowa Governor's
my classical radio station... sometimes not really because I want to
but because it's there... so I do get somewhat of an overview on
things... Richard has been going on the state website to hear our
governor's daily updates, to get directly what the various executive
orders are....
daily news conferences on one of its subchannels (Ch. 6.3).
Personally I would find it boring and the highlights on the news is sufficent. OTOH I don't have a need to go out in the world and so know where not to go to keep safe, etc.
Nothing's been said but I wonder about what's going on with upcoming
freshman college classes: the colleges and universities are closed.
Maybe the colleges just don't know what to plan for the fall...
it's so much a wait-and-see now....
That and the summer sessions! As you indicated, too early to tell.
And just last night, when I was talking on the phone with a friend,
she looked up what the status of colleges opening in the fall in our
area was... generally they all were still in the wait and see mode...
<nervous agreement chuckle> Which at this point makes sense.
Currently just about all schools are shut down and no one knows for
sure when able to open. Hard to make plans. At this point I'm
guessing plan to continue with the on-line learning, and if things get
cleared go back to in-person learning, though the on-line will probably
continue as a popular alternative.
There's benefits and drawbacks to each kind of learning... and someTrue. A friend of mine in college did much better learning from
majors are much more dependent on in-person types of activities than
others... A lot of classes already have been being done mostly if
not totally online, even before this....
reading the texts than from the lecture. He was not a bookworm by any means, pretty much the opposite of that stereotype.
My learning was pretty much old style: in person, in class, though a
lot of the electronics is self-taught. Mixed results on that: done as
a hobby and not as a career. Working on 'stuff' it is sometimes easier
to follow along with a printout and/or I'll make notes of problems
noted. And sometimes those notes go in work copy and all done
on-screen.
There's also a percentage of students who will take off the semester
or maybe even year -- always have been some but I'm thinking even more
than usual. Combination of protective measure and building up some
finances.
Time will tell if more decide it's safer to stay home... for some,Right: a lot of variables depending on where. Might be 'safer'
returning to school might be better than staying in a locality that
might be earlier in the curve than where their college is...
(relative term) to live in a dorm than an apartment complex: dorm
might have daily temperature checking, spraying of common areas, etc., whereas the apartment building probably would have nothing like that.
No one-way aisles here, at least not yet... just the one-way in and
out of the store.... and a lot of the "stuff in the aisles" to catch
your attention has been moved out of the aisles to make them wider...
They expect the carts to help maintain the distancing...
"Come near me and I'll crash my cart into you!!" <g> The one-way
aisles might be more of a psychological thing: it is a lot easier to
stay six feet from the other customer wandering down the aisle but when
they stop to get or contemplate an item one still has to pass them.
There's less chance of spreading contagion if one isn't meeting faceAgain a lot of variables: Wegmans might have ten foot aisles, which
on, I suppose... We still don't have one-way aisles at Wegmans, but
BJ's did put them in for the narrower cross aisles...
would give the 6' spacing. BJ's narrower aisles might be eight feet
and so the perception by the customer is too close. Guesses, of
course.
I did skip going to Hy-Vee yesterday: nothing advertised I really
needed. I remember was two items but not recalling what they were.
Definitely not worth a special trip.
We are just doing our usual once-a-week shopping... only specialI did go last Thursday - ah! People! :) <g> All of the Hy-Vee
trips are if something important is running out... like milk or the
cats' kibble.... <G>
associates are required to wear masks -- one in Produce was kidding
with me as he kind of liked it as hid if he was sticking out his tongue
at a mean customer.
...Another thing to add a bit of confusion to my shopping while the
store is remodelling! Now I need to go down the Baby Food and Pet Food
aisles!! (Um, that's plural: they're two distinct areas!)
I'd think so... <G> At least the baby food/baby items has a
separate section of the store here that I can just ignore... ;)
And helps you can 'legally' skip as no one-way aisle routing! <g>
And even if there were one-way routing, that's in a part that can beHy-Vee still has the long aisles with no mid-aisle cut-through so for
avoided anyway.... :)
now I just walk quickly up the aisle I would normally skip -- less confusing than skipping the aisle I don't want, go past an aisle I do
want but is the wrong direction, up the next one (correct direction),
then take a left to go down the aisle I had to skip, now skip the
aisle I was in previously......
Update... a couple days ago, the governor announced that he wasI'm thinking we're keeping schools in Iowa closed until next academic
keeping all the schools and colleges closed for the rest of this
academic year...
year also; to me makes more sense to have consistency.
Yes, it does make sense...
Although we do seem to be coming on the downward side of the curve
now, there's no way to know whether it will be a quick drop or a
flatter/longer one... and the last thing we want is for things to
suddenly spike upwards again...
The experts are mixed, though I think some are trying not to be
Doomsday Prophets. I'm thinking the curve will be long in tapering off
with multiple rises and falls as people 'are released' and forget the
social distancing, cleanliness, etc., and so contract COVID-19. This
reminds people and so they go back to protective measures (social
distancing and cleanliness), and so back and forth. More people will
have developed an immunity (probably to varying degrees) and so that
will also help reduce the curve.
I guess we'll just have to see how things actually play out....True. Us non-scientists are doing a lot of guessing, and IMO sometimes acting illogically. News reporting pop-up areas of resistance to the
stay at home orders; Illinois has two lawsuits pending against the Governor for overstepping his legal authority. OK, so people are
getting antsy and seeing nothing happening to them and immediate circles of family and friends; doesn't mean the problem isn't still present.
And they'd probably be the first to blame the governor for not
keeping them safe, if they or their immediate circle got the
virus...
The news has a chart of number of instances by county. Scott, Clinton
and Muscatine counties (me, north of here, south of here) are the
highest -- yeah, we're also the most populous (in this part of Iowa)
-- of course we're going to have the most COVID-19 cases! To me would
make more sense if also showed percentage.
That could be a useful tool... especially for an informed comparison...
IMO yes. Lots of little factors not being presented, or maybe better
to say overlooked. Italy had a very high death rate; later reported
because they have an older population, not something 'Italian'.
Though is helpful to know the virus is harder on an older population.
One the opposite end was I think Zambia had no reported cases: they
also had no test kits so unable to report. Had sort of something
similar here: Louisa County (IA) had a sudden spike: they get a bunch
of test kits and so they were able to do more tests and so all of a
sudden a landslide of new cases. Louisa County is in Iowa, so that
cased the Iowa report to have an increase, not as much of a spike
because the other 98 counties' reporting format was constant. And
probably also caused a mild bump in the U.S. reporting.
The ability or inability to test widely does seem to have a majorOddly yes. :)
impact on what the statistics and such end up being....
And maybe not so oddly... ;)
...Not that I'm scooping out these details, just are there and I'll
sometimes do a quick alternative analysis.
I'm not searching out stuff, but I do listen to the news blurbs onLocally one of our TV stations has been carrying the Iowa Governor's
my classical radio station... sometimes not really because I want to
but because it's there... so I do get somewhat of an overview on
things... Richard has been going on the state website to hear our
governor's daily updates, to get directly what the various executive
orders are....
daily news conferences on one of its subchannels (Ch. 6.3).
Personally I would find it boring and the highlights on the news is sufficent. OTOH I don't have a need to go out in the world and so know where not to go to keep safe, etc.
Sometimes it's useful to know what really was said, versus what
the various interpretations of it end up being...
My learning was pretty much old style: in person, in class, though a
lot of the electronics is self-taught. Mixed results on that: done as
a hobby and not as a career. Working on 'stuff' it is sometimes easier
to follow along with a printout and/or I'll make notes of problems
noted. And sometimes those notes go in work copy and all done
on-screen.
And since you are just doing it for yourself, there's no pressure
to have to learn anything other than what you need, though you
might pick up all sorts of other info along the way... :)
There's also a percentage of students who will take off the semester
or maybe even year -- always have been some but I'm thinking even more
than usual. Combination of protective measure and building up some
finances.
Time will tell if more decide it's safer to stay home... for some,Right: a lot of variables depending on where. Might be 'safer'
returning to school might be better than staying in a locality that
might be earlier in the curve than where their college is...
(relative term) to live in a dorm than an apartment complex: dorm
might have daily temperature checking, spraying of common areas, etc., whereas the apartment building probably would have nothing like that.
And on the other hand, there's less crowding (potentially) in an
apartment setup than in a dorm.... and one can do their own
protective measures.... ;)
No one-way aisles here, at least not yet... just the one-way in and
out of the store.... and a lot of the "stuff in the aisles" to catch
your attention has been moved out of the aisles to make them wider...
They expect the carts to help maintain the distancing...
"Come near me and I'll crash my cart into you!!" <g> The one-way
aisles might be more of a psychological thing: it is a lot easier to
stay six feet from the other customer wandering down the aisle but when
they stop to get or contemplate an item one still has to pass them.
There's less chance of spreading contagion if one isn't meeting faceAgain a lot of variables: Wegmans might have ten foot aisles, which
on, I suppose... We still don't have one-way aisles at Wegmans, but
BJ's did put them in for the narrower cross aisles...
would give the 6' spacing. BJ's narrower aisles might be eight feet
and so the perception by the customer is too close. Guesses, of
course.
Dunno... BJ's carts are much bigger, so they tend to crowd aisles anyway...
I did go last Thursday - ah! People! :) <g> All of the Hy-Vee
associates are required to wear masks -- one in Produce was kidding
with me as he kind of liked it as hid if he was sticking out his tongue
at a mean customer.
Now that could be a definite advantage... <G>
...Another thing to add a bit of confusion to my shopping while the
store is remodelling! Now I need to go down the Baby Food and Pet Food
aisles!! (Um, that's plural: they're two distinct areas!)
I'd think so... <G> At least the baby food/baby items has a
separate section of the store here that I can just ignore... ;)
And helps you can 'legally' skip as no one-way aisle routing! <g>
And even if there were one-way routing, that's in a part that can beHy-Vee still has the long aisles with no mid-aisle cut-through so for
avoided anyway.... :)
now I just walk quickly up the aisle I would normally skip -- less confusing than skipping the aisle I don't want, go past an aisle I do
want but is the wrong direction, up the next one (correct direction),
then take a left to go down the aisle I had to skip, now skip the
aisle I was in previously......
We all make our accomodations to make the complications less
confusing in our own minds... ;)
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 09-May-2020 08:32 <=-
Update... a couple days ago, the governor announced that he was
keeping all the schools and colleges closed for the rest of this
academic year...
I'm thinking we're keeping schools in Iowa closed until next academic
year also; to me makes more sense to have consistency.
Yes, it does make sense...And they are trying to have some sort of graduation ceremonies for the Seniors. Videoconferencing just isn't the same. An audience of robots with cellphone faces doesn't quite give the same feeling.
Although we do seem to be coming on the downward side of the curve
now, there's no way to know whether it will be a quick drop or a
flatter/longer one... and the last thing we want is for things to
suddenly spike upwards again...
The experts are mixed, though I think some are trying not to be
Doomsday Prophets. I'm thinking the curve will be long in tapering off
with multiple rises and falls as people 'are released' and forget the
social distancing, cleanliness, etc., and so contract COVID-19. This
reminds people and so they go back to protective measures (social
distancing and cleanliness), and so back and forth. More people will
have developed an immunity (probably to varying degrees) and so that
will also help reduce the curve.
I guess we'll just have to see how things actually play out....
True. Us non-scientists are doing a lot of guessing, and IMO sometimes
acting illogically. News reporting pop-up areas of resistance to the
stay at home orders; Illinois has two lawsuits pending against the
Governor for overstepping his legal authority. OK, so people are
getting antsy and seeing nothing happening to them and immediate circles
of family and friends; doesn't mean the problem isn't still present.
And they'd probably be the first to blame the governor for not keepingOf course! Put the blame on someone else for their ignorance / zealousness. Maybe Gov. Pritzger (IL) did overstep his authority; I
them safe, if they or their immediate circle got the virus...
don't think any place in the U.S. has laws on the books for this situation. Something had to be done, and sometimes overstepping is required.
...Not that I'm scooping out these details, just are there and I'll
sometimes do a quick alternative analysis.
I'm not searching out stuff, but I do listen to the news blurbs on
my classical radio station... sometimes not really because I want to
but because it's there... so I do get somewhat of an overview on
things... Richard has been going on the state website to hear our
governor's daily updates, to get directly what the various executive
orders are....
Locally one of our TV stations has been carrying the Iowa Governor's
daily news conferences on one of its subchannels (Ch. 6.3).
Personally I would find it boring and the highlights on the news is
sufficent. OTOH I don't have a need to go out in the world and so know
where not to go to keep safe, etc.
Sometimes it's useful to know what really was said, versus what theTrue: in general too many edited sound-bites have given the wrong impression. For me it's more not open yet so can't do it, whatever
various interpretations of it end up being...
the 'it' is. I agree with the closures so no reason to fight it. I'm probably not going to rush out as the various "its" re-open: give time
for them to settle into the new routine, plus others will be rushing
out and I wasn't a crowd person before.
My learning was pretty much old style: in person, in class, though a
lot of the electronics is self-taught. Mixed results on that: done as
a hobby and not as a career. Working on 'stuff' it is sometimes easier
to follow along with a printout and/or I'll make notes of problems
noted. And sometimes those notes go in work copy and all done
on-screen.
And since you are just doing it for yourself, there's no pressure toYes, I'm quite sure quite a few of the electronics repairs and
have to learn anything other than what you need, though you might pick
up all sorts of other info along the way... :)
creations would have been a lot quicker and less frustrating if I had known more stuff. OTOH I'm not doing too bad; just wouldn't want to be hired with that tiny knowledgebase!
The one-way aisles might be more of a psychological thing: it is a
lot easier to stay six feet from the other customer wandering down
the aisle but when they stop to get or contemplate an item one
still has to pass them.
There's less chance of spreading contagion if one isn't meeting face
on, I suppose... We still don't have one-way aisles at Wegmans, but
BJ's did put them in for the narrower cross aisles...
Again a lot of variables: Wegmans might have ten foot aisles, which
would give the 6' spacing. BJ's narrower aisles might be eight feet
and so the perception by the customer is too close. Guesses, of
course.
Dunno... BJ's carts are much bigger, so they tend to crowd aislesBigger carts tend to get people to buy more, though might also be more practical as a 24-pack of toilet paper would fill if even fit in the mini-cart I use at Hy-Vee.
anyway...
And nothing all that new to report at Hy-Vee: still doing the
remodelling, still moving around some items though many seem to have
found their home in the remodelled sections. Still noticeable holes
in the stock, though less seems to be due to hoarding and more to no supply available probably due to the manufacturing plant being closed.
<skipped grocery shopping the previous week>
I did go last Thursday - ah! People! :) <g> All of the Hy-Vee
associates are required to wear masks -- one in Produce was kidding
with me as he kind of liked it as hid if he was sticking out his tongue
at a mean customer.
Now that could be a definite advantage... <G>As long as he remembers when the mask is no longer required to be worn
he isn't wearing one!!
Hy-Vee still has the long aisles with no mid-aisle cut-through so for
now I just walk quickly up the aisle I would normally skip -- less
confusing than skipping the aisle I don't want, go past an aisle I do
want but is the wrong direction, up the next one (correct direction),
then take a left to go down the aisle I had to skip, now skip the
aisle I was in previously......
We all make our accomodations to make the complications lessAt this point just easier to zip down (or up - depending on the
confusing in our own minds... ;)
one-way) the 'unnecessary' aisle.
Update... a couple days ago, the governor announced that he was
keeping all the schools and colleges closed for the rest of this
academic year...
I'm thinking we're keeping schools in Iowa closed until next academic
year also; to me makes more sense to have consistency.
Yes, it does make sense...And they are trying to have some sort of graduation ceremonies for the Seniors. Videoconferencing just isn't the same. An audience of robots with cellphone faces doesn't quite give the same feeling.
Not much comfort at this point, but when they get to be our age,
they'll look back and see that they had a unique place in
history... like others that missed out on certain things because
of world wars or other pandemics.....
Although we do seem to be coming on the downward side of the curve
now, there's no way to know whether it will be a quick drop or a
flatter/longer one... and the last thing we want is for things to
suddenly spike upwards again...
The experts are mixed, though I think some are trying not to be
Doomsday Prophets. I'm thinking the curve will be long in tapering off
with multiple rises and falls as people 'are released' and forget the
social distancing, cleanliness, etc., and so contract COVID-19. This
reminds people and so they go back to protective measures (social
distancing and cleanliness), and so back and forth. More people will
have developed an immunity (probably to varying degrees) and so that
will also help reduce the curve.
I guess we'll just have to see how things actually play out....
True. Us non-scientists are doing a lot of guessing, and IMO sometimes
acting illogically. News reporting pop-up areas of resistance to the
stay at home orders; Illinois has two lawsuits pending against the
Governor for overstepping his legal authority. OK, so people are
getting antsy and seeing nothing happening to them and immediate circles
of family and friends; doesn't mean the problem isn't still present.
And they'd probably be the first to blame the governor for not keepingOf course! Put the blame on someone else for their ignorance / zealousness. Maybe Gov. Pritzger (IL) did overstep his authority; I
them safe, if they or their immediate circle got the virus...
don't think any place in the U.S. has laws on the books for this situation. Something had to be done, and sometimes overstepping is required.
Yup. And even when it's necessary, there's still lots of
second-guessing after the fact...
...Not that I'm scooping out these details, just are there and I'll
sometimes do a quick alternative analysis.
I'm not searching out stuff, but I do listen to the news blurbs on
my classical radio station... sometimes not really because I want to
but because it's there... so I do get somewhat of an overview on
things... Richard has been going on the state website to hear our
governor's daily updates, to get directly what the various executive
orders are....
Locally one of our TV stations has been carrying the Iowa Governor's
daily news conferences on one of its subchannels (Ch. 6.3).
Personally I would find it boring and the highlights on the news is
sufficent. OTOH I don't have a need to go out in the world and so know
where not to go to keep safe, etc.
Sometimes it's useful to know what really was said, versus what theTrue: in general too many edited sound-bites have given the wrong impression. For me it's more not open yet so can't do it, whatever
various interpretations of it end up being...
the 'it' is. I agree with the closures so no reason to fight it. I'm probably not going to rush out as the various "its" re-open: give time
for them to settle into the new routine, plus others will be rushing
out and I wasn't a crowd person before.
Neither am I... crowds are mostly something to avoid for me,
too..
My learning was pretty much old style: in person, in class, though a
lot of the electronics is self-taught. Mixed results on that: done as
a hobby and not as a career. Working on 'stuff' it is sometimes easier
to follow along with a printout and/or I'll make notes of problems
noted. And sometimes those notes go in work copy and all done
on-screen.
And since you are just doing it for yourself, there's no pressure toYes, I'm quite sure quite a few of the electronics repairs and
have to learn anything other than what you need, though you might pick
up all sorts of other info along the way... :)
creations would have been a lot quicker and less frustrating if I had known more stuff. OTOH I'm not doing too bad; just wouldn't want to be hired with that tiny knowledgebase!
And no need now to be looking for that sort of employment,
anyway... :)
The one-way aisles might be more of a psychological thing: it is a
lot easier to stay six feet from the other customer wandering down
the aisle but when they stop to get or contemplate an item one
still has to pass them.
There's less chance of spreading contagion if one isn't meeting face
on, I suppose... We still don't have one-way aisles at Wegmans, but
BJ's did put them in for the narrower cross aisles...
Again a lot of variables: Wegmans might have ten foot aisles, which
would give the 6' spacing. BJ's narrower aisles might be eight feet
and so the perception by the customer is too close. Guesses, of
course.
Dunno... BJ's carts are much bigger, so they tend to crowd aislesBigger carts tend to get people to buy more, though might also be more practical as a 24-pack of toilet paper would fill if even fit in the mini-cart I use at Hy-Vee.
anyway...
I think the bigger carts at BJ's are mostly because things are
generally in bulk there anyway... I'm perfectly capable of only
filling up the child-seat area of the cart, if there's not much I
need there for that shopping trip... ;)
And nothing all that new to report at Hy-Vee: still doing the
remodelling, still moving around some items though many seem to have
found their home in the remodelled sections. Still noticeable holes
in the stock, though less seems to be due to hoarding and more to no supply available probably due to the manufacturing plant being closed.
Yeah, I think the days of the hoarding runs are past us now...
:) But the supply train has been disrupted now in various
instances... With meat packing plants shutting down for COVID
issues, that's disrupted some of the meat supplies...
Hy-Vee still has the long aisles with no mid-aisle cut-through so for
now I just walk quickly up the aisle I would normally skip -- less
confusing than skipping the aisle I don't want, go past an aisle I do
want but is the wrong direction, up the next one (correct direction),
then take a left to go down the aisle I had to skip, now skip the
aisle I was in previously......
We all make our accomodations to make the complications lessAt this point just easier to zip down (or up - depending on the
confusing in our own minds... ;)
one-way) the 'unnecessary' aisle.
Indeed. :)
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 17-May-2020 09:15 <=-
And they are trying to have some sort of graduation ceremonies for the
Seniors. Videoconferencing just isn't the same. An audience of robots
with cellphone faces doesn't quite give the same feeling.
Not much comfort at this point, but when they get to be our age,Hindsight does tend to make most things less nasty. A big graduation ceremony and party is probably high on the importance list at the time
they'll look back and see that they had a unique place in history...
like others that missed out on certain things because of world wars
or other pandemics.....
but the importance level decreases as time goes on. I do think it
should be honoured in some way and am glad for the 'pop-up'
celebrations. The other advantage is there has been time to prepare:
not like "sorry Charlie, no graduation/birthday/etc. event next week".
I'm thinking maybe the ability to plan for/create an alternative
festivity helps: "I can do something".
I guess we'll just have to see how things actually play out....
True. Us non-scientists are doing a lot of guessing, and IMO sometimes
acting illogically. News reporting pop-up areas of resistance to the
stay at home orders; Illinois has two lawsuits pending against the
Governor for overstepping his legal authority. OK, so people are
getting antsy and seeing nothing happening to them and immediate circles
of family and friends; doesn't mean the problem isn't still present.
And they'd probably be the first to blame the governor for not keeping
them safe, if they or their immediate circle got the virus...
Of course! Put the blame on someone else for their ignorance /
zealousness. Maybe Gov. Pritzger (IL) did overstep his authority; I
don't think any place in the U.S. has laws on the books for this
situation. Something had to be done, and sometimes overstepping is
required.
Yup. And even when it's necessary, there's still lots ofRight: no one _knows_, it's pretty much all scientific guessing and computer models. It acts similar to <other illness> which has a
second-guessing after the fact...
history. While I'm sort of of the New Hampshire 'Live Free or Die' attitude there are times to back down and follow.
For me it's more not open yet so can't do it, whatever the 'it' is. I
agree with the closures so no reason to fight it. I'm probably not
going to rush out as the various "its" re-open: give time for them to
settle into the new routine, plus others will be rushing out and I
wasn't a crowd person before.
Neither am I... crowds are mostly something to avoid for me, too..I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience
or gathering.
My learning was pretty much old style: in person, in class, though a
lot of the electronics is self-taught. Mixed results on that: done as
a hobby and not as a career. Working on 'stuff' it is sometimes easier
to follow along with a printout and/or I'll make notes of problems
noted. And sometimes those notes go in work copy and all done
on-screen.
And since you are just doing it for yourself, there's no pressure to
have to learn anything other than what you need, though you might pick
up all sorts of other info along the way... :)
Yes, I'm quite sure quite a few of the electronics repairs and
creations would have been a lot quicker and less frustrating if I had
known more stuff. OTOH I'm not doing too bad; just wouldn't want to be
hired with that tiny knowledgebase!
And no need now to be looking for that sort of employment, anyway... :)There are advanatges to being old enough and retired!
And throw up there the "don't stop learning" thing. Everything is evolving, so changing, and one needs to change with it. Not
necessarily 100% go with the flow, but embrace, though maybe at a bit
of a distance. (That sounds like the set-up to a COVID-19 six-foot
joke!)
Dunno... BJ's carts are much bigger, so they tend to crowd aisles
anyway...
Bigger carts tend to get people to buy more, though might also be more
practical as a 24-pack of toilet paper would fill if even fit in the
mini-cart I use at Hy-Vee.
I think the bigger carts at BJ's are mostly because things areRight. I like the smaller carts are Hy-Vee because easier to maneuver plus get items in an out: don't have to drop them in the void or dig
generally in bulk there anyway... I'm perfectly capable of only
filling up the child-seat area of the cart, if there's not much I
need there for that shopping trip... ;)
out the pit when checking out. There have been times when I should
have used a large/standard-sized cart.
And nothing all that new to report at Hy-Vee: still doing the
remodelling, still moving around some items though many seem to have
found their home in the remodelled sections. Still noticeable holes
in the stock, though less seems to be due to hoarding and more to no
supply available probably due to the manufacturing plant being closed.
Yeah, I think the days of the hoarding runs are past us now... :) ButYes - my guess is the hoarders have decided they have plenty
the supply train has been disrupted now in various instances... With
meat packing plants shutting down for COVID issues, that's disrupted
some of the meat supplies...
squirreled away, the supply may be low but not critical. As I've mentioned, the toilet paper and paper towels section at Hy-Vee is reasonably well-stocked. Yes, some holes and almost-empties; quite
sure the limit of one has helped but also thinking lessening of the hoarding.
Spotty holes in tuna fish, pizza and frozen foods -- might be due to a supply issue or could also be people are eating at home: tuna
casserole, pizza, frozen meals.
Hy-Vee still has the long aisles with no mid-aisle cut-through so for
now I just walk quickly up the aisle I would normally skip -- less
confusing than skipping the aisle I don't want, go past an aisle I do
want but is the wrong direction, up the next one (correct direction),
then take a left to go down the aisle I had to skip, now skip the
aisle I was in previously......
We all make our accomodations to make the complications less
confusing in our own minds... ;)
At this point just easier to zip down (or up - depending on the
one-way) the 'unnecessary' aisle.
Indeed. :)Some things just aren't worth a fight. I haven't observed anyone
getting in trouble (by whatever degree from The Look to physical) by
going the wrong way. Most are following the directional signage, some have simply overlooked it.
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 17-May-2020 09:15 <=-
And they are trying to have some sort of graduation ceremonies for the
Seniors. Videoconferencing just isn't the same. An audience of robots
with cellphone faces doesn't quite give the same feeling.
Not much comfort at this point, but when they get to be our age,Hindsight does tend to make most things less nasty. A big graduation ceremony and party is probably high on the importance list at the time
they'll look back and see that they had a unique place in history...
like others that missed out on certain things because of world wars
or other pandemics.....
but the importance level decreases as time goes on. I do think it
should be honoured in some way and am glad for the 'pop-up'
celebrations. The other advantage is there has been time to prepare:
not like "sorry Charlie, no graduation/birthday/etc. event next week".
I'm thinking maybe the ability to plan for/create an alternative
festivity helps: "I can do something".
I guess we'll just have to see how things actually play out....
True. Us non-scientists are doing a lot of guessing, and IMO sometimes
acting illogically. News reporting pop-up areas of resistance to the
stay at home orders; Illinois has two lawsuits pending against the
Governor for overstepping his legal authority. OK, so people are
getting antsy and seeing nothing happening to them and immediate circles
of family and friends; doesn't mean the problem isn't still present.
And they'd probably be the first to blame the governor for not keeping
them safe, if they or their immediate circle got the virus...
Of course! Put the blame on someone else for their ignorance /
zealousness. Maybe Gov. Pritzger (IL) did overstep his authority; I
don't think any place in the U.S. has laws on the books for this
situation. Something had to be done, and sometimes overstepping is
required.
Yup. And even when it's necessary, there's still lots ofRight: no one _knows_, it's pretty much all scientific guessing and computer models. It acts similar to <other illness> which has a
second-guessing after the fact...
history. While I'm sort of of the New Hampshire 'Live Free or Die' attitude there are times to back down and follow.
For me it's more not open yet so can't do it, whatever the 'it' is. I
agree with the closures so no reason to fight it. I'm probably not
going to rush out as the various "its" re-open: give time for them to
settle into the new routine, plus others will be rushing out and I
wasn't a crowd person before.
Neither am I... crowds are mostly something to avoid for me, too..I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience
or gathering.
My learning was pretty much old style: in person, in class, though a
lot of the electronics is self-taught. Mixed results on that: done as
a hobby and not as a career. Working on 'stuff' it is sometimes easier
to follow along with a printout and/or I'll make notes of problems
noted. And sometimes those notes go in work copy and all done
on-screen.
And since you are just doing it for yourself, there's no pressure to
have to learn anything other than what you need, though you might pick
up all sorts of other info along the way... :)
Yes, I'm quite sure quite a few of the electronics repairs and
creations would have been a lot quicker and less frustrating if I had
known more stuff. OTOH I'm not doing too bad; just wouldn't want to be
hired with that tiny knowledgebase!
And no need now to be looking for that sort of employment, anyway... :)There are advanatges to being old enough and retired!
And throw up there the "don't stop learning" thing. Everything is evolving, so changing, and one needs to change with it. Not
necessarily 100% go with the flow, but embrace, though maybe at a bit
of a distance. (That sounds like the set-up to a COVID-19 six-foot
joke!)
Dunno... BJ's carts are much bigger, so they tend to crowd aisles
anyway...
Bigger carts tend to get people to buy more, though might also be more
practical as a 24-pack of toilet paper would fill if even fit in the
mini-cart I use at Hy-Vee.
I think the bigger carts at BJ's are mostly because things areRight. I like the smaller carts are Hy-Vee because easier to maneuver plus get items in an out: don't have to drop them in the void or dig
generally in bulk there anyway... I'm perfectly capable of only
filling up the child-seat area of the cart, if there's not much I
need there for that shopping trip... ;)
out the pit when checking out. There have been times when I should
have used a large/standard-sized cart.
And nothing all that new to report at Hy-Vee: still doing the
remodelling, still moving around some items though many seem to have
found their home in the remodelled sections. Still noticeable holes
in the stock, though less seems to be due to hoarding and more to no
supply available probably due to the manufacturing plant being closed.
Yeah, I think the days of the hoarding runs are past us now... :) ButYes - my guess is the hoarders have decided they have plenty
the supply train has been disrupted now in various instances... With
meat packing plants shutting down for COVID issues, that's disrupted
some of the meat supplies...
squirreled away, the supply may be low but not critical. As I've mentioned, the toilet paper and paper towels section at Hy-Vee is reasonably well-stocked. Yes, some holes and almost-empties; quite
sure the limit of one has helped but also thinking lessening of the hoarding.
Spotty holes in tuna fish, pizza and frozen foods -- might be due to a supply issue or could also be people are eating at home: tuna
casserole, pizza, frozen meals.
Hy-Vee still has the long aisles with no mid-aisle cut-through so for
now I just walk quickly up the aisle I would normally skip -- less
confusing than skipping the aisle I don't want, go past an aisle I do
want but is the wrong direction, up the next one (correct direction),
then take a left to go down the aisle I had to skip, now skip the
aisle I was in previously......
We all make our accomodations to make the complications less
confusing in our own minds... ;)
At this point just easier to zip down (or up - depending on the
one-way) the 'unnecessary' aisle.
Indeed. :)Some things just aren't worth a fight. I haven't observed anyone
getting in trouble (by whatever degree from The Look to physical) by
going the wrong way. Most are following the directional signage, some have simply overlooked it.
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