• Emerg. Broadcast Stations

    From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Mar 12 16:22:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Found a spare Round TuIt and found some information:

    And like your WXXI there are a few stations to change to when something
    major is going on. One may not be as good now: they had staff cuts
    with the last I-Heart-Media slash so more automated. Still physically
    part of a nine studio complex, so maybe "flip a switch" and simulcast.
    What I was trying to say is that WXXI is the designated station to
    turn to for emergencies... when that EBS test message comes out, and
    says, if this was an actual emergency, you'd be told where to tune
    to... WXXI 91.5 is the one that would be designated for people
    listening to the other stations... :)
    Ah! Misread and misinterpreted that one. Not sure what is done here:
    I don't recall the test announcements indicating a specific station
    would be used.
    I think the specific station is only designated in the case of an
    actual emergency....

    That's possible. ... Checking on-line -- somehow got to Spokane
    Washington's list so backed up the web pages a bit, got to Davenport but
    then didn't see where the listing might be -- will finish this and check
    later.

    <Later> So tracking down the information wasn't as easy as I thought it
    would be. The Spokane site seems to be headquarters and the page lists stations in Washington and Idaho. The webpage implies a page 2 but I
    couldn't find a way to get to it.

    Back to Googling. Did find a listing "Primary Emergency Alert System
    Broadcast Stations" -- which went to the Spokane, WA, site! ...Checked
    where Firefox thought I was: yup, right location!

    Did finally get somewhere with "Primary Emergency Alert System Broadcast Stations Iowa": got me to an FCC page (https:/www.fcc.gov/files/ia-eas- plan.pdf so I suppose just substitute the state). Finally find WOC-AM
    and WLLR-FM are the designated local primary stations -- they monitor
    WHO-AM in Des Moines which is up one level. Whew!

    Now, if anyone is somewhat into radio callsigns (Daryl! Get back
    on-line!) they'll note something a hare quirky: happens the three
    stations I mentioned all begin with "W" and they're on the west side of
    the Mississippi River where the call signs generally begin with "K".
    WOC and WHO are older than the "K" calls. WLLR is and isn't that old
    (they began as WOC-FM), not quite sure how they got the W.
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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Mar 25 00:15:02 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 12-Mar-2020 16:22 <=-

    Found a spare Round TuIt and found some information:

    So I see... :)

    What I was trying to say is that WXXI is the designated station to
    turn to for emergencies... when that EBS test message comes out, and
    says, if this was an actual emergency, you'd be told where to tune
    to... WXXI 91.5 is the one that would be designated for people
    listening to the other stations... :)
    Ah! Misread and misinterpreted that one. Not sure what is done here:
    I don't recall the test announcements indicating a specific station
    would be used.
    I think the specific station is only designated in the case of an
    actual emergency....
    <Later> So tracking down the information wasn't as easy as I thought it would be. The Spokane site seems to be headquarters and the page
    lists stations in Washington and Idaho. The webpage implies a page 2
    but I couldn't find a way to get to it.
    Back to Googling. Did find a listing "Primary Emergency Alert System Broadcast Stations" -- which went to the Spokane, WA, site!
    ...Checked where Firefox thought I was: yup, right location!

    But, in thinking for you, it figured you wanted the headquarters for
    your area....

    Did finally get somewhere with "Primary Emergency Alert System
    Broadcast Stations Iowa": got me to an FCC page (https:/www.fcc.gov/files/ia-eas-plan.pdf so I suppose just substitute
    the state). Finally find WOC-AM and WLLR-FM are the designated local primary stations -- they monitor WHO-AM in Des Moines which is up one level. Whew!

    So now you know for the next emergency (weather or otherwise)....

    Now, if anyone is somewhat into radio callsigns (Daryl! Get back
    on-line!) they'll note something a hare quirky: happens the three
    stations I mentioned all begin with "W" and they're on the west side
    of the Mississippi River where the call signs generally begin with "K". WOC and WHO are older than the "K" calls. WLLR is and isn't that old (they began as WOC-FM), not quite sure how they got the W.

    True, the west of the Mississippi stations should be starting with K...
    My guess would be that since WOC and WHO were able to keep their W,
    being ancient stations (and interesting that they didn't just add a K
    to those callsigns, since they are also odd being only 3 letters), WLLR,
    being a part of WOC actually, was allowed to use the W as well...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed Mar 25 07:57:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    What I was trying to say is that WXXI is the designated station to
    turn to for emergencies... when that EBS test message comes out, and
    says, if this was an actual emergency, you'd be told where to tune
    to... WXXI 91.5 is the one that would be designated for people
    listening to the other stations... :)
    Ah! Misread and misinterpreted that one. Not sure what is done here:
    I don't recall the test announcements indicating a specific station
    would be used.
    I think the specific station is only designated in the case of an
    actual emergency....
    <Later> So tracking down the information wasn't as easy as I thought it would be. The Spokane site seems to be headquarters and the page
    lists stations in Washington and Idaho. The webpage implies a page 2
    but I couldn't find a way to get to it.
    Back to Googling. Did find a listing "Primary Emergency Alert System Broadcast Stations" -- which went to the Spokane, WA, site!
    ...Checked where Firefox thought I was: yup, right location!
    But, in thinking for you, it figured you wanted the headquarters
    for your area....

    Right, though I've seen it think I'm in various parts of eastern Iowa.
    I'm roughly in the center, on the bottom of the 'elbow' where Iowa juts
    into Illinois. Frequently the browsers will think I'm in Burlington all
    the way to the south, Dubuque all the way to the north, Clinton - the
    next county and city north. Usually Davenport, the next city over and
    has a major Internet connection (whatever it's called).



    Did finally get somewhere with "Primary Emergency Alert System
    Broadcast Stations Iowa": got me to an FCC page (https:/www.fcc.gov/files/ia-eas-plan.pdf so I suppose just substitute
    the state). Finally find WOC-AM and WLLR-FM are the designated local primary stations -- they monitor WHO-AM in Des Moines which is up one level. Whew!
    So now you know for the next emergency (weather or otherwise)....

    And the 'good news' is the transmitter is at the antenna farm only a few
    miles from here so should be able to receive the signal without too much problem.


    Now, if anyone is somewhat into radio callsigns (Daryl! Get back
    on-line!) they'll note something a hare quirky: happens the three
    stations I mentioned all begin with "W" and they're on the west side
    of the Mississippi River where the call signs generally begin with "K". WOC and WHO are older than the "K" calls. WLLR is and isn't that old (they began as WOC-FM), not quite sure how they got the W.

    True, the west of the Mississippi stations should be starting
    with K... My guess would be that since WOC and WHO were able to
    keep their W, being ancient stations (and interesting that they
    didn't just add a K to those callsigns, since they are also odd
    being only 3 letters), WLLR, being a part of WOC actually, was
    allowed to use the W as well...

    Something like that. And the call signs were originally three letters:
    WBZ in Boston comes to mind, seems like there's one in NYC. And of
    course a bunch scattered throughout the country. ...Who'da thought the
    need for more than WAA through WZZ!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Apr 1 18:44:56 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 25-Mar-2020 07:57 <=-

    I think the specific station is only designated in the case of an
    actual emergency....
    <Later> So tracking down the information wasn't as easy as I thought it
    would be. The Spokane site seems to be headquarters and the page
    lists stations in Washington and Idaho. The webpage implies a page 2
    but I couldn't find a way to get to it.
    Back to Googling. Did find a listing "Primary Emergency Alert System
    Broadcast Stations" -- which went to the Spokane, WA, site!
    ...Checked where Firefox thought I was: yup, right location!
    But, in thinking for you, it figured you wanted the headquarters for
    your area....
    Right, though I've seen it think I'm in various parts of eastern Iowa.

    Richard has problems with Google trying to think for him... it often
    guesses wrong.... ;0

    I'm roughly in the center, on the bottom of the 'elbow' where Iowa
    juts into Illinois. Frequently the browsers will think I'm in
    Burlington all the way to the south, Dubuque all the way to the north, Clinton - the next county and city north. Usually Davenport, the next city over and has a major Internet connection (whatever it's called).

    At least Davenport makes a lot better sense than the other options... ;)

    Did finally get somewhere with "Primary Emergency Alert System
    Broadcast Stations Iowa": got me to an FCC page
    (https:/www.fcc.gov/files/ia-eas-plan.pdf so I suppose just substitute
    the state). Finally find WOC-AM and WLLR-FM are the designated local
    primary stations -- they monitor WHO-AM in Des Moines which is up one
    level. Whew!
    So now you know for the next emergency (weather or otherwise)....
    And the 'good news' is the transmitter is at the antenna farm only a
    few miles from here so should be able to receive the signal without too much problem.

    Very good.... :)

    Now, if anyone is somewhat into radio callsigns (Daryl! Get back
    on-line!) they'll note something a hare quirky: happens the three
    stations I mentioned all begin with "W" and they're on the west side
    of the Mississippi River where the call signs generally begin with "K".
    WOC and WHO are older than the "K" calls. WLLR is and isn't that old
    (they began as WOC-FM), not quite sure how they got the W.
    True, the west of the Mississippi stations should be starting with K...
    My guess would be that since WOC and WHO were able to keep their W,
    being ancient stations (and interesting that they didn't just add a K
    to those callsigns, since they are also odd being only 3 letters),
    WLLR, being a part of WOC actually, was allowed to use the W as well...
    Something like that. And the call signs were originally three
    letters: WBZ in Boston comes to mind, seems like there's one in NYC.
    And of course a bunch scattered throughout the country. ...Who'da
    thought the need for more than WAA through WZZ!

    Surprise, surprise.... ;) Once there were any stations, every locality
    would want their own.... and then there would be more than one,
    competing with different formats.... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Apr 2 12:17:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I think the specific station is only designated in the case of an
    actual emergency....
    <Later> So tracking down the information wasn't as easy as I thought it
    would be. The Spokane site seems to be headquarters and the page
    lists stations in Washington and Idaho. The webpage implies a page 2
    but I couldn't find a way to get to it.
    Back to Googling. Did find a listing "Primary Emergency Alert System
    Broadcast Stations" -- which went to the Spokane, WA, site!
    ...Checked where Firefox thought I was: yup, right location!
    But, in thinking for you, it figured you wanted the headquarters for
    your area....
    Right, though I've seen it think I'm in various parts of eastern Iowa.
    Richard has problems with Google trying to think for him... it
    often guesses wrong.... ;0

    All depends (as usual!). Most people probably want/mean a site local to
    them. I've also entered partially technical terms which Google
    sometimes tries to dumb-down. It also seems the "+" and "-" options
    don't work, or work a lot less definitive than they used to. Thinking
    of "Vienna +1040" should have given me addresses in the 4th District
    (postal code 1040) but combined with other search terms came through
    rather a mish-mash.


    I'm roughly in the center, on the bottom of the 'elbow' where Iowa
    juts into Illinois. Frequently the browsers will think I'm in
    Burlington all the way to the south, Dubuque all the way to the north, Clinton - the next county and city north. Usually Davenport, the next city over and has a major Internet connection (whatever it's called).
    At least Davenport makes a lot better sense than the other
    options... ;)

    True. OTOH maybe like with telephone lines it connects me into the
    Internet where less busy: then Clinton would make sense as the next one; Dubuque and Burlington are more 'extremes' as far as distance is
    concerned. <shrug> As long as it works!


    Did finally get somewhere with "Primary Emergency Alert System
    Broadcast Stations Iowa": got me to an FCC page
    (https:/www.fcc.gov/files/ia-eas-plan.pdf so I suppose just substitute
    the state). Finally find WOC-AM and WLLR-FM are the designated local
    primary stations -- they monitor WHO-AM in Des Moines which is up one
    level. Whew!
    So now you know for the next emergency (weather or otherwise)....
    And the 'good news' is the transmitter is at the antenna farm only a
    few miles from here so should be able to receive the signal without too much problem.
    Very good.... :)

    Make sure have working batteries.....


    Now, if anyone is somewhat into radio callsigns (Daryl! Get back
    on-line!) they'll note something a hare quirky: happens the three
    stations I mentioned all begin with "W" and they're on the west side
    of the Mississippi River where the call signs generally begin with "K".
    WOC and WHO are older than the "K" calls. WLLR is and isn't that old
    (they began as WOC-FM), not quite sure how they got the W.
    True, the west of the Mississippi stations should be starting with K...
    My guess would be that since WOC and WHO were able to keep their W,
    being ancient stations (and interesting that they didn't just add a K
    to those callsigns, since they are also odd being only 3 letters),
    WLLR, being a part of WOC actually, was allowed to use the W as well...
    Something like that. And the call signs were originally three
    letters: WBZ in Boston comes to mind, seems like there's one in NYC.
    And of course a bunch scattered throughout the country. ...Who'da
    thought the need for more than WAA through WZZ!
    Surprise, surprise.... ;) Once there were any stations, every
    locality would want their own.... and then there would be more
    than one, competing with different formats.... <G>

    Yup, or even same/similar formats: "I can do it better!".


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Apr 10 22:56:30 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 02-Apr-2020 12:17 <=-

    But, in thinking for you, it figured you wanted the headquarters for
    your area....
    Right, though I've seen it think I'm in various parts of eastern Iowa.
    Richard has problems with Google trying to think for him... it often
    guesses wrong.... ;0
    All depends (as usual!). Most people probably want/mean a site local
    to them. I've also entered partially technical terms which Google sometimes tries to dumb-down. It also seems the "+" and "-" options
    don't work, or work a lot less definitive than they used to. Thinking
    of "Vienna +1040" should have given me addresses in the 4th District (postal code 1040) but combined with other search terms came through rather a mish-mash.

    Well, actually, I don't generally do any Google searches, so I've not
    learned any of the tricks that are supposed to work... the options, the
    Boolean searches, etc.... I've heard tell of them, and watched other
    people use them... but don't do them myself.... ;)

    I'm roughly in the center, on the bottom of the 'elbow' where Iowa
    juts into Illinois. Frequently the browsers will think I'm in
    Burlington all the way to the south, Dubuque all the way to the north,
    Clinton - the next county and city north. Usually Davenport, the next
    city over and has a major Internet connection (whatever it's called).
    At least Davenport makes a lot better sense than the other options... ;)
    True. OTOH maybe like with telephone lines it connects me into the Internet where less busy: then Clinton would make sense as the next
    one; Dubuque and Burlington are more 'extremes' as far as distance is concerned. <shrug> As long as it works!

    It's all Wizard to me... <G>

    Did finally get somewhere with "Primary Emergency Alert System
    Broadcast Stations Iowa": got me to an FCC page
    (https:/www.fcc.gov/files/ia-eas-plan.pdf so I suppose just substitute
    the state). Finally find WOC-AM and WLLR-FM are the designated local
    primary stations -- they monitor WHO-AM in Des Moines which is up one
    level. Whew!
    So now you know for the next emergency (weather or otherwise)....
    And the 'good news' is the transmitter is at the antenna farm only a
    few miles from here so should be able to receive the signal without too
    much problem.
    Very good.... :)
    Make sure have working batteries.....

    You've already been working on that... :)

    True, the west of the Mississippi stations should be starting with K...
    My guess would be that since WOC and WHO were able to keep their W,
    being ancient stations (and interesting that they didn't just add a K
    to those callsigns, since they are also odd being only 3 letters),
    WLLR, being a part of WOC actually, was allowed to use the W as well...
    Something like that. And the call signs were originally three
    letters: WBZ in Boston comes to mind, seems like there's one in NYC.
    And of course a bunch scattered throughout the country. ...Who'da
    thought the need for more than WAA through WZZ!
    Surprise, surprise.... ;) Once there were any stations, every
    locality would want their own.... and then there would be more than
    one, competing with different formats.... <G>
    Yup, or even same/similar formats: "I can do it better!".

    Probably a slight variation on the original formats, though... One is
    Top 40, another is Top 40 plus the 10 below them.... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Apr 11 09:14:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    But, in thinking for you, it figured you wanted the headquarters for
    your area....
    Right, though I've seen it think I'm in various parts of eastern Iowa.
    Richard has problems with Google trying to think for him... it often
    guesses wrong.... ;0
    All depends (as usual!). Most people probably want/mean a site local
    to them. I've also entered partially technical terms which Google sometimes tries to dumb-down. It also seems the "+" and "-" options
    don't work, or work a lot less definitive than they used to. Thinking
    of "Vienna +1040" should have given me addresses in the 4th District (postal code 1040) but combined with other search terms came through rather a mish-mash.
    Well, actually, I don't generally do any Google searches, so I've
    not learned any of the tricks that are supposed to work... the
    options, the Boolean searches, etc.... I've heard tell of them,
    and watched other people use them... but don't do them myself....
    ;)

    Those mysterious magic spells!


    I'm roughly in the center, on the bottom of the 'elbow' where Iowa
    juts into Illinois. Frequently the browsers will think I'm in
    Burlington all the way to the south, Dubuque all the way to the north,
    Clinton - the next county and city north. Usually Davenport, the next
    city over and has a major Internet connection (whatever it's called).
    At least Davenport makes a lot better sense than the other options... ;)
    True. OTOH maybe like with telephone lines it connects me into the Internet where less busy: then Clinton would make sense as the next
    one; Dubuque and Burlington are more 'extremes' as far as distance is concerned. <shrug> As long as it works!
    It's all Wizard to me... <G>

    <chuckle> I partially learned from troubleshooting over the decades: is
    the problem something here or elsewhere? The elsewhere sort of ties in
    with remembering where it thinks I am. And possibly also "why am I
    getting the wrong site?" ==> Lowe's Burlington instead of Lowe's
    Davenport. And some of the problem I bring on to myself by using
    private browsing: I just want to look around, don't bother me sending me
    a ton of e-mails!



    Did finally get somewhere with "Primary Emergency Alert System
    Broadcast Stations Iowa": got me to an FCC page
    (https:/www.fcc.gov/files/ia-eas-plan.pdf so I suppose just substitute
    the state). Finally find WOC-AM and WLLR-FM are the designated local
    primary stations -- they monitor WHO-AM in Des Moines which is up one
    level. Whew!
    So now you know for the next emergency (weather or otherwise)....
    And the 'good news' is the transmitter is at the antenna farm only a
    few miles from here so should be able to receive the signal without too
    much problem.
    Very good.... :)
    Make sure have working batteries.....
    You've already been working on that... :)

    Now if the Sun would shine.... Overcast today with a 50-50 chance of
    rain, maybe a thunderstorm tomorrow is Easter Sunday and 80% chance of
    rain. Monday might snow but probably not acumulate.....


    True, the west of the Mississippi stations should be starting with K...
    My guess would be that since WOC and WHO were able to keep their W,
    being ancient stations (and interesting that they didn't just add a K
    to those callsigns, since they are also odd being only 3 letters),
    WLLR, being a part of WOC actually, was allowed to use the W as well...
    Something like that. And the call signs were originally three
    letters: WBZ in Boston comes to mind, seems like there's one in NYC.
    And of course a bunch scattered throughout the country. ...Who'da
    thought the need for more than WAA through WZZ!
    Surprise, surprise.... ;) Once there were any stations, every
    locality would want their own.... and then there would be more than
    one, competing with different formats.... <G>
    Yup, or even same/similar formats: "I can do it better!".
    Probably a slight variation on the original formats, though...
    One is Top 40, another is Top 40 plus the 10 below them.... <G>

    "All Brahms, all the time! This is WZZZ!"

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Apr 22 17:14:10 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 11-Apr-2020 09:14 <=-

    Richard has problems with Google trying to think for him... it often
    guesses wrong.... ;0
    All depends (as usual!). Most people probably want/mean a site local
    to them. I've also entered partially technical terms which Google
    sometimes tries to dumb-down. It also seems the "+" and "-" options
    don't work, or work a lot less definitive than they used to. Thinking
    of "Vienna +1040" should have given me addresses in the 4th District
    (postal code 1040) but combined with other search terms came through
    rather a mish-mash.
    Well, actually, I don't generally do any Google searches, so I've not
    learned any of the tricks that are supposed to work... the options,
    the Boolean searches, etc.... I've heard tell of them, and watched
    other people use them... but don't do them myself.... ;)
    Those mysterious magic spells!

    Exactly. :)

    I'm roughly in the center, on the bottom of the 'elbow' where Iowa
    juts into Illinois. Frequently the browsers will think I'm in
    Burlington all the way to the south, Dubuque all the way to the north,
    Clinton - the next county and city north. Usually Davenport, the next
    city over and has a major Internet connection (whatever it's called).
    At least Davenport makes a lot better sense than the other options... ;)
    True. OTOH maybe like with telephone lines it connects me into the
    Internet where less busy: then Clinton would make sense as the next
    one; Dubuque and Burlington are more 'extremes' as far as distance is
    concerned. <shrug> As long as it works!
    It's all Wizard to me... <G>
    <chuckle> I partially learned from troubleshooting over the decades:
    is the problem something here or elsewhere? The elsewhere sort of ties
    in with remembering where it thinks I am. And possibly also "why am I getting the wrong site?" ==> Lowe's Burlington instead of Lowe's Davenport. And some of the problem I bring on to myself by using
    private browsing: I just want to look around, don't bother me sending
    me a ton of e-mails!

    Avoiding a worse problem by incurring a minor bother... ;)

    the state). Finally find WOC-AM and WLLR-FM are the designated local
    primary stations -- they monitor WHO-AM in Des Moines which is up one
    level. Whew!
    So now you know for the next emergency (weather or otherwise)....
    And the 'good news' is the transmitter is at the antenna farm only a
    few miles from here so should be able to receive the signal without too
    much problem.
    Very good.... :)
    Make sure have working batteries.....
    You've already been working on that... :)
    Now if the Sun would shine.... Overcast today with a 50-50 chance of rain, maybe a thunderstorm tomorrow is Easter Sunday and 80% chance of rain. Monday might snow but probably not acumulate.....

    We've had similar weather off and on... this morning there was snow on
    the ground, and it's still quite chilly (high to be around 40)... but at
    least the sun is shining brightly in through my window at the moment... :)

    And of course a bunch scattered throughout the country. ...Who'da
    thought the need for more than WAA through WZZ!
    Surprise, surprise.... ;) Once there were any stations, every
    locality would want their own.... and then there would be more than
    one, competing with different formats.... <G>
    Yup, or even same/similar formats: "I can do it better!".
    Probably a slight variation on the original formats, though...
    One is Top 40, another is Top 40 plus the 10 below them.... <G>
    "All Brahms, all the time! This is WZZZ!"

    That's not quite fair...! Most of Brahms's music is lively... :) Take
    for instance his Hungarian Rhapsodies... or the Academic Overture, or,
    for that matter, the fast movements of his symphonies... :) And so
    forth... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Apr 23 10:33:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Richard has problems with Google trying to think for him... it often
    guesses wrong.... ;0
    All depends (as usual!). Most people probably want/mean a site local
    to them. I've also entered partially technical terms which Google
    sometimes tries to dumb-down. It also seems the "+" and "-" options
    don't work, or work a lot less definitive than they used to. Thinking
    of "Vienna +1040" should have given me addresses in the 4th District
    (postal code 1040) but combined with other search terms came through
    rather a mish-mash.
    Well, actually, I don't generally do any Google searches, so I've not
    learned any of the tricks that are supposed to work... the options,
    the Boolean searches, etc.... I've heard tell of them, and watched
    other people use them... but don't do them myself.... ;)
    Those mysterious magic spells!
    Exactly. :)

    All goes back to what is needed. Here I (try to!) look up stuff to
    figure out why something isn't working. Sometimes I don't know the
    correct term, sometimes I do but other might not so Google (and probably
    the other search engines) try to help by guessing and including those.



    the state). Finally find WOC-AM and WLLR-FM are the designated local
    primary stations -- they monitor WHO-AM in Des Moines which is up one
    level. Whew!
    So now you know for the next emergency (weather or otherwise)....
    And the 'good news' is the transmitter is at the antenna farm only a
    few miles from here so should be able to receive the signal without too
    much problem.
    Very good.... :)
    Make sure have working batteries.....
    You've already been working on that... :)
    Now if the Sun would shine.... Overcast today with a 50-50 chance of rain, maybe a thunderstorm tomorrow is Easter Sunday and 80% chance of rain. Monday might snow but probably not acumulate.....
    We've had similar weather off and on... this morning there was
    snow on the ground, and it's still quite chilly (high to be
    around 40)... but at least the sun is shining brightly in through
    my window at the moment... :)

    Most of yesterday was coolish in the 50's and low 60's and then early
    evening was 76ø! They're talking about upper 80's and maybe low 90's
    the middle of next week. A little too early for that but I'll enjoy it!



    And of course a bunch scattered throughout the country. ...Who'da
    thought the need for more than WAA through WZZ!
    Surprise, surprise.... ;) Once there were any stations, every
    locality would want their own.... and then there would be more than
    one, competing with different formats.... <G>
    Yup, or even same/similar formats: "I can do it better!".
    Probably a slight variation on the original formats, though...
    One is Top 40, another is Top 40 plus the 10 below them.... <G>
    "All Brahms, all the time! This is WZZZ!"
    That's not quite fair...! Most of Brahms's music is lively... :)
    Take for instance his Hungarian Rhapsodies... or the Academic
    Overture, or, for that matter, the fast movements of his
    symphonies... :) And so forth... ;)

    Those are played on WEEE!! <g>


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Apr 30 20:29:40 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 23-Apr-2020 10:33 <=-

    Well, actually, I don't generally do any Google searches, so I've not
    learned any of the tricks that are supposed to work... the options,
    the Boolean searches, etc.... I've heard tell of them, and watched
    other people use them... but don't do them myself.... ;)
    Those mysterious magic spells!
    Exactly. :)
    All goes back to what is needed. Here I (try to!) look up stuff to
    figure out why something isn't working. Sometimes I don't know the correct term, sometimes I do but other might not so Google (and
    probably the other search engines) try to help by guessing and
    including those.

    And if it guesses intelligently, yes, it might end up helpful... ;)
    Richard uses Duck, Duck, GO usually.... has better results with that....

    So now you know for the next emergency (weather or otherwise)....
    And the 'good news' is the transmitter is at the antenna farm only a
    few miles from here so should be able to receive the signal without too
    much problem.
    Very good.... :)
    Make sure have working batteries.....
    You've already been working on that... :)
    Now if the Sun would shine.... Overcast today with a 50-50 chance of
    rain, maybe a thunderstorm tomorrow is Easter Sunday and 80% chance of
    rain. Monday might snow but probably not acumulate.....
    We've had similar weather off and on... this morning there was snow
    on the ground, and it's still quite chilly (high to be around 40)...
    but at least the sun is shining brightly in through my window at the
    moment... :)
    Most of yesterday was coolish in the 50's and low 60's and then early evening was 76ø! They're talking about upper 80's and maybe low 90's
    the middle of next week. A little too early for that but I'll enjoy
    it!

    Thankfully we've not been getting 80s or 90s... high 70s is fine enough
    for me.... ;)

    And of course a bunch scattered throughout the country. ...Who'da
    thought the need for more than WAA through WZZ!
    Surprise, surprise.... ;) Once there were any stations, every
    locality would want their own.... and then there would be more than
    one, competing with different formats.... <G>
    Yup, or even same/similar formats: "I can do it better!".
    Probably a slight variation on the original formats, though...
    One is Top 40, another is Top 40 plus the 10 below them.... <G>
    "All Brahms, all the time! This is WZZZ!"
    That's not quite fair...! Most of Brahms's music is lively... :)
    Take for instance his Hungarian Rhapsodies... or the Academic Overture,
    or, for that matter, the fast movements of his symphonies... :) And
    so forth... ;)
    Those are played on WEEE!! <g>

    Yeah, right... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri May 1 09:05:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Well, actually, I don't generally do any Google searches, so I've not
    learned any of the tricks that are supposed to work... the options,
    the Boolean searches, etc.... I've heard tell of them, and watched
    other people use them... but don't do them myself.... ;)
    Those mysterious magic spells!
    Exactly. :)
    All goes back to what is needed. Here I (try to!) look up stuff to
    figure out why something isn't working. Sometimes I don't know the correct term, sometimes I do but other might not so Google (and
    probably the other search engines) try to help by guessing and
    including those.
    And if it guesses intelligently, yes, it might end up helpful...
    ;) Richard uses Duck, Duck, GO usually.... has better results
    with that....

    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where I'm comfortable with Google, most of the time it gives what I'm looking for
    and when it doesn't more of an issue where I don't have the right or
    enough information. Thinking of when I was trying to find where my Aunt
    was at the Kurhaus.



    So now you know for the next emergency (weather or otherwise)....
    And the 'good news' is the transmitter is at the antenna farm only a
    few miles from here so should be able to receive the signal without
    too BM>>>> much problem.
    Very good.... :)
    Make sure have working batteries.....
    You've already been working on that... :)
    Now if the Sun would shine.... Overcast today with a 50-50 chance of
    rain, maybe a thunderstorm tomorrow is Easter Sunday and 80% chance of
    rain. Monday might snow but probably not acumulate.....
    We've had similar weather off and on... this morning there was snow
    on the ground, and it's still quite chilly (high to be around 40)...
    but at least the sun is shining brightly in through my window at the
    moment... :)
    Most of yesterday was coolish in the 50's and low 60's and then early evening was 76ø! They're talking about upper 80's and maybe low 90's
    the middle of next week. A little too early for that but I'll enjoy
    it!
    Thankfully we've not been getting 80s or 90s... high 70s is fine
    enough for me.... ;)

    It's supposed to get into the low 70's today (May 1) and possibly low
    80's tomorrow. Then cooler and more normal next week. Planning on
    doing some yard work today as have Autumn tomorrow.



    And of course a bunch scattered throughout the country. ...Who'da
    thought the need for more than WAA through WZZ!
    Surprise, surprise.... ;) Once there were any stations, every
    locality would want their own.... and then there would be more than
    one, competing with different formats.... <G>
    Yup, or even same/similar formats: "I can do it better!".
    Probably a slight variation on the original formats, though...
    One is Top 40, another is Top 40 plus the 10 below them.... <G>
    "All Brahms, all the time! This is WZZZ!"
    That's not quite fair...! Most of Brahms's music is lively... :)
    Take for instance his Hungarian Rhapsodies... or the Academic Overture,
    or, for that matter, the fast movements of his symphonies... :) And
    so forth... ;)
    Those are played on WEEE!! <g>
    Yeah, right... ;)

    No?! <g> ...Wonder if they play _The Flight of the Bumblebee_ on WBZ?!
    (I know it for Channel 4, WBZ-FM is sports radio format, WBZ-AM is talk
    radio.)


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu May 7 20:18:54 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 01-May-2020 09:05 <=-

    Those mysterious magic spells!
    Exactly. :)
    All goes back to what is needed. Here I (try to!) look up stuff to
    figure out why something isn't working. Sometimes I don't know the correct term, sometimes I do but other might not so Google (and
    probably the other search engines) try to help by guessing and
    including those.
    And if it guesses intelligently, yes, it might end up helpful... ;) Richard uses Duck, Duck, GO usually... has better results with that...
    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where
    I'm comfortable with Google, most of the time it gives what I'm looking for and when it doesn't more of an issue where I don't have the right
    or enough information. Thinking of when I was trying to find where my Aunt was at the Kurhaus.

    Dunno... I don't generally do searches at all... and I'm sure that one
    tends to be most comfortable with what one usuall uses...

    Make sure have working batteries.....
    You've already been working on that... :)
    Now if the Sun would shine.... Overcast today with a 50-50 chance of
    rain, maybe a thunderstorm tomorrow is Easter Sunday and 80% chance of
    rain. Monday might snow but probably not acumulate.....
    We've had similar weather off and on... this morning there was snow
    on the ground, and it's still quite chilly (high to be around 40)...
    but at least the sun is shining brightly in through my window at the
    moment... :)
    Most of yesterday was coolish in the 50's and low 60's and then early
    evening was 76ø! They're talking about upper 80's and maybe low 90's
    the middle of next week. A little too early for that but I'll enjoy
    it!
    Thankfully we've not been getting 80s or 90s... high 70s is fine
    enough for me.... ;)
    It's supposed to get into the low 70's today (May 1) and possibly low
    80's tomorrow. Then cooler and more normal next week. Planning on
    doing some yard work today as have Autumn tomorrow.

    Hope you got things accomplished... ;) We're back to freeze warnings
    almost every night this week... and I did hear thunder this afternoon...

    Surprise, surprise.... ;) Once there were any stations, every
    locality would want their own.... and then there would be more than
    one, competing with different formats.... <G>
    Yup, or even same/similar formats: "I can do it better!".
    Probably a slight variation on the original formats, though...
    One is Top 40, another is Top 40 plus the 10 below them.... <G>
    "All Brahms, all the time! This is WZZZ!"
    That's not quite fair...! Most of Brahms's music is lively... :)
    Take for instance his Hungarian Rhapsodies... or the Academic Overture,
    or, for that matter, the fast movements of his symphonies... :) And
    so forth... ;)
    Those are played on WEEE!! <g>
    Yeah, right... ;)
    No?! <g> ...Wonder if they play _The Flight of the Bumblebee_ on
    WBZ?! (I know it for Channel 4, WBZ-FM is sports radio format, WBZ-AM
    is talk radio.)

    They could steal it to play under their station IDs... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri May 8 09:32:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!


    Those mysterious magic spells!
    Exactly. :)
    All goes back to what is needed. Here I (try to!) look up stuff to
    figure out why something isn't working. Sometimes I don't know the correct term, sometimes I do but other might not so Google (and
    probably the other search engines) try to help by guessing and
    including those.
    And if it guesses intelligently, yes, it might end up helpful... ;) Richard uses Duck, Duck, GO usually... has better results with that...
    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where
    I'm comfortable with Google, most of the time it gives what I'm looking for and when it doesn't more of an issue where I don't have the right
    or enough information. Thinking of when I was trying to find where my Aunt was at the Kurhaus.
    Dunno... I don't generally do searches at all... and I'm sure
    that one tends to be most comfortable with what one usuall
    uses...

    Oddly yes <g>: one tends to use what one is comfortable with, so here
    Google and I have trained each other. For some searched Google is
    probably best while for others a different search engine would be
    better. usually by the time I realize I maybe should try another search
    engine I'm tired/frustrasted/need a break, etc. and eventualy either try something different (ask a question, for example) or decide it wans't
    that important. Though usually is find the answer in a different way.



    Make sure have working batteries.....
    You've already been working on that... :)
    Now if the Sun would shine.... Overcast today with a 50-50 chance of
    rain, maybe a thunderstorm tomorrow is Easter Sunday and 80% chance of
    rain. Monday might snow but probably not acumulate.....
    We've had similar weather off and on... this morning there was snow
    on the ground, and it's still quite chilly (high to be around 40)...
    but at least the sun is shining brightly in through my window at the
    moment... :)
    Most of yesterday was coolish in the 50's and low 60's and then early
    evening was 76ø! They're talking about upper 80's and maybe low 90's
    the middle of next week. A little too early for that but I'll enjoy
    it!
    Thankfully we've not been getting 80s or 90s... high 70s is fine
    enough for me.... ;)
    It's supposed to get into the low 70's today (May 1) and possibly low
    80's tomorrow. Then cooler and more normal next week. Planning on
    doing some yard work today as have Autumn tomorrow.
    Hope you got things accomplished... ;) We're back to freeze
    warnings almost every night this week... and I did hear thunder
    this afternoon...

    I'm not recalling but seems sufficient done to be satisfied. Tomorrow
    morning (the Saturday before Mother's Day) the predicted low is now 30ø
    (one degree lower than yesterday's forecast). Right now looks nice and
    sunny and inviting out there: 44ø with 10 MPH winds + whatever the gusts
    are. Not quite as inviting!



    Surprise, surprise.... ;) Once there were any stations, every
    locality would want their own.... and then there would be more than
    one, competing with different formats.... <G>
    Yup, or even same/similar formats: "I can do it better!".
    Probably a slight variation on the original formats, though...
    One is Top 40, another is Top 40 plus the 10 below them.... <G>
    "All Brahms, all the time! This is WZZZ!"
    That's not quite fair...! Most of Brahms's music is lively... :)
    Take for instance his Hungarian Rhapsodies... or the Academic Overture,
    or, for that matter, the fast movements of his symphonies... :) And
    so forth... ;)
    Those are played on WEEE!! <g>
    Yeah, right... ;)
    No?! <g> ...Wonder if they play _The Flight of the Bumblebee_ on
    WBZ?! (I know it for Channel 4, WBZ-FM is sports radio format, WBZ-AM
    is talk radio.)
    They could steal it to play under their station IDs... ;)

    Wonder if they've thought about it?


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    Heck, my mind sometimes wanders so far it needs a passport!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri May 15 00:29:30 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 08-May-2020 09:32 <=-

    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where
    I'm comfortable with Google, most of the time it gives what I'm looking
    for and when it doesn't more of an issue where I don't have the right
    or enough information. Thinking of when I was trying to find where my
    Aunt was at the Kurhaus.
    Dunno... I don't generally do searches at all... and I'm sure that one
    tends to be most comfortable with what one usually uses...
    Oddly yes <g>: one tends to use what one is comfortable with, so here Google and I have trained each other. For some searches Google is probably best while for others a different search engine would be
    better. Usually by the time I realize I maybe should try another search engine I'm tired/frustrated/need a break, etc. and eventually either try something different (ask a question, for example) or decide it wasn't
    that important. Though usually is find the answer in a different way.

    My usual way of doing a search is to ask Richard to do it for me... <G>

    Make sure have working batteries.....
    You've already been working on that... :)
    Now if the Sun would shine.... Overcast today with a 50-50 chance of
    rain, maybe a thunderstorm tomorrow is Easter Sunday and 80% chance of
    rain. Monday might snow but probably not acumulate.....
    We've had similar weather off and on... this morning there was snow
    on the ground, and it's still quite chilly (high to be around 40)...
    but at least the sun is shining brightly in through my window at the
    moment... :)
    Most of yesterday was coolish in the 50's and low 60's and then early
    evening was 76ø! They're talking about upper 80's and maybe low 90's
    the middle of next week. A little too early for that but I'll enjoy
    it!
    Thankfully we've not been getting 80s or 90s... high 70s is fine
    enough for me.... ;)
    It's supposed to get into the low 70's today (May 1) and possibly low
    80's tomorrow. Then cooler and more normal next week. Planning on
    doing some yard work today as have Autumn tomorrow.
    Hope you got things accomplished... ;) We're back to freeze warnings
    almost every night this week, and I did hear thunder this afternoon...
    I'm not recalling but seems sufficient done to be satisfied. Tomorrow morning (the Saturday before Mother's Day) the predicted low is now
    30ø (one degree lower than yesterday's forecast). Right now looks nice and sunny and inviting out there: 44ø with 10 MPH winds + whatever the gusts are. Not quite as inviting!

    And we did get snow in the air on that Saturday... maybe on Mother's Day
    as well... but at least not that 2-3 inches on my daffodils that
    happened that once in the past... ;) And freeze warnings straight thru
    into this week.... Sun was out today, and temps into the 60s... a lot
    more inviting... :)

    Surprise, surprise.... ;) Once there were any stations, every
    locality would want their own.... and then there would be more than
    one, competing with different formats.... <G>
    Yup, or even same/similar formats: "I can do it better!".
    Probably a slight variation on the original formats, though...
    One is Top 40, another is Top 40 plus the 10 below them.... <G>
    "All Brahms, all the time! This is WZZZ!"
    That's not quite fair...! Most of Brahms's music is lively... :)
    Take for instance his Hungarian Rhapsodies... or the Academic Overture,
    or, for that matter, the fast movements of his symphonies... :) And
    so forth... ;)
    Those are played on WEEE!! <g>
    Yeah, right... ;)
    No?! <g> ...Wonder if they play _The Flight of the Bumblebee_ on
    WBZ?! (I know it for Channel 4, WBZ-FM is sports radio format, WBZ-AM
    is talk radio.)
    They could steal it to play under their station IDs... ;)
    Wonder if they've thought about it?

    Only if someone in the loop knows about the piece... and maybe it was
    vetoed as being too obscure... <G>

    ... I am a mental tourist, My mind wanders!
    Heck, my mind sometimes wanders so far it needs a passport!

    With special visas as well, eh...? ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri May 15 10:27:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where
    I'm comfortable with Google, most of the time it gives what I'm looking
    for and when it doesn't more of an issue where I don't have the right
    or enough information. Thinking of when I was trying to find where my
    Aunt was at the Kurhaus.
    Dunno... I don't generally do searches at all... and I'm sure that one
    tends to be most comfortable with what one usually uses...
    Oddly yes <g>: one tends to use what one is comfortable with, so here Google and I have trained each other. For some searches Google is probably best while for others a different search engine would be
    better. Usually by the time I realize I maybe should try another search engine I'm tired/frustrated/need a break, etc. and eventually either try something different (ask a question, for example) or decide it wasn't
    that important. Though usually is find the answer in a different way.
    My usual way of doing a search is to ask Richard to do it for
    me... <G>

    That is one option!

    I always hated those Windows error messages which have "or ask your system administrator for help". I _am_ the 'System Administrator'!!!


    Surprise, surprise.... ;) Once there were any stations, every
    locality would want their own.... and then there would be more than
    one, competing with different formats.... <G>
    Yup, or even same/similar formats: "I can do it better!".
    Probably a slight variation on the original formats, though...
    One is Top 40, another is Top 40 plus the 10 below them.... <G>
    "All Brahms, all the time! This is WZZZ!"
    That's not quite fair...! Most of Brahms's music is lively... :)
    Take for instance his Hungarian Rhapsodies... or the Academic
    Overture, NB>>>> or, for that matter, the fast movements of his symphonies... :) And NB>>>> so forth... ;)
    Those are played on WEEE!! <g>
    Yeah, right... ;)
    No?! <g> ...Wonder if they play _The Flight of the Bumblebee_ on
    WBZ?! (I know it for Channel 4, WBZ-FM is sports radio format, WBZ-AM
    is talk radio.)
    They could steal it to play under their station IDs... ;)
    Wonder if they've thought about it?
    Only if someone in the loop knows about the piece... and maybe it
    was vetoed as being too obscure... <G>

    Possibly! Or maybe Authur Fidler prefered WGBH over WBZ when in town.
    (Now there's a bit of open-obscurity! I'll put 'the answer' at the
    end.)


    ... I am a mental tourist, My mind wanders!
    Heck, my mind sometimes wanders so far it needs a passport!
    With special visas as well, eh...? ;)

    Maybe special MasterCards and Discovers as well!




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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat May 30 00:34:28 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 15-May-2020 10:27 <=-

    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where

    Curiously, recently I've been seeing billboard ads for DuckDuckGo, as
    well as hearing them be a sponsor for NPR... ;) They are pushing one of
    their other strong points, the privacy issue, since they don't track
    where you go...

    I'm comfortable with Google, most of the time it gives what I'm looking
    for and when it doesn't more of an issue where I don't have the right
    or enough information. Thinking of when I was trying to find where my
    Aunt was at the Kurhaus.
    Dunno... I don't generally do searches at all... and I'm sure that one
    tends to be most comfortable with what one usually uses...
    Oddly yes <g>: one tends to use what one is comfortable with, so here
    Google and I have trained each other. For some searches Google is
    probably best while for others a different search engine would be
    better. Usually by the time I realize I maybe should try another search
    engine I'm tired/frustrated/need a break, etc. and eventually either try
    something different (ask a question, for example) or decide it wasn't
    that important. Though usually is find the answer in a different way.
    My usual way of doing a search is to ask Richard to do it for me... <G>
    That is one option!

    Which works pretty well for me... <G>

    I always hated those Windows error messages which have "or ask your
    system administrator for help". I _am_ the 'System Administrator'!!!

    Yes, that does make it harder for you... ;)

    ...Wonder if they play _The Flight of the Bumblebee_ on WBZ?! (I know
    it for Channel 4, WBZ-FM is sports radio format, WBZ-AM is talk radio.)
    They could steal it to play under their station IDs... ;)
    Wonder if they've thought about it?
    Only if someone in the loop knows about the piece... and maybe it
    was vetoed as being too obscure... <G>
    Possibly! Or maybe Authur Fidler prefered WGBH over WBZ when in town.

    That would be Arthur Fiedler, actually... ;) And he probably did prefer
    WGBH as the classical station... ;)

    (Now there's a bit of open-obscurity! I'll put 'the answer' at the
    end.)

    Yup. ;)

    ... I am a mental tourist, My mind wanders!
    Heck, my mind sometimes wanders so far it needs a passport!
    With special visas as well, eh...? ;)
    Maybe special MasterCards and Discovers as well!

    Only if you are planning to charge an humungous amount.... ;)

    The open-obscurity: former conductor of the Boston Pops, Channel 2 (Boston) in the NTSC/pre-digital days, Channel 4 (Boston), and Boston.

    Right... I'm familiar with Fiedler and the Boston Pops, also with WGBH
    as the station that broadcasts the Boston Pops and the BSO... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat May 30 11:30:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where
    Curiously, recently I've been seeing billboard ads for
    DuckDuckGo, as well as hearing them be a sponsor for NPR... ;)
    They are pushing one of their other strong points, the privacy
    issue, since they don't track where you go...

    They don't; everyone else does. <g> (Not a slam at DuckDuckGo:
    everyone tracks no matter what search engine.)



    I always hated those Windows error messages which have "or ask your
    system administrator for help". I _am_ the 'System Administrator'!!!
    Yes, that does make it harder for you... ;)

    To me it's sort of a cop out: sure, the administrator can control access
    and what is installed but the message doesn't tell him (or her) anything
    useful either, like a 0x code or some THIS_IS_WHERE_THE_BOOBOO_OCCURRED verbiage. And yes, I have received some cryptic errors from Linux; at
    least it doesn't tell me to go ask for help.


    ...Wonder if they play _The Flight of the Bumblebee_ on WBZ?! (I know
    it for Channel 4, WBZ-FM is sports radio format, WBZ-AM is talk radio.)
    They could steal it to play under their station IDs... ;)
    Wonder if they've thought about it?
    Only if someone in the loop knows about the piece... and maybe it
    was vetoed as being too obscure... <G>
    Possibly! Or maybe Authur Fidler prefered WGBH over WBZ when in town.
    That would be Arthur Fiedler, actually... ;) And he probably did
    prefer WGBH as the classical station... ;)

    Oops -- there was a local company with 'Fidler' in the name.


    (Now there's a bit of open-obscurity! I'll put 'the answer' at the
    end.)
    Yup. ;)

    ... I am a mental tourist, My mind wanders!
    Heck, my mind sometimes wanders so far it needs a passport!
    With special visas as well, eh...? ;)
    Maybe special MasterCards and Discovers as well!
    Only if you are planning to charge an humungous amount.... ;)

    We'll put a bunch on this card, and a bunch on this other card.....


    The open-obscurity: former conductor of the Boston Pops, Channel 2 (Boston) in the NTSC/pre-digital days, Channel 4 (Boston), and Boston.
    Right... I'm familiar with Fiedler and the Boston Pops, also with
    WGBH as the station that broadcasts the Boston Pops and the
    BSO... :)

    Not to be confused with the Fidlers of Davenport!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Jun 5 18:58:30 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 30-May-2020 11:30 <=-

    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where
    Curiously, recently I've been seeing billboard ads for DuckDuckGo, as
    well as hearing them be a sponsor for NPR... ;) They are pushing one
    of their other strong points, the privacy issue, since they don't track
    where you go...
    They don't; everyone else does. <g> (Not a slam at DuckDuckGo:
    everyone tracks no matter what search engine.)

    Ah, but they dump the cookies along the way, and don't let the others
    track the way they'd like to...

    I always hated those Windows error messages which have "or ask your
    system administrator for help". I _am_ the 'System Administrator'!!!
    Yes, that does make it harder for you... ;)
    To me it's sort of a cop out: sure, the administrator can control
    access and what is installed but the message doesn't tell him (or her) anything useful either, like a 0x code or some THIS_IS_WHERE_THE_BOOBOO_OCCURRED verbiage. And yes, I have received
    some cryptic errors from Linux; at least it doesn't tell me to go ask
    for help.

    If something like that showed up on my screen, I'd just yell for the
    Wizard.... he's the System Administrator for this household... and
    generally does have a clue... or can figure it out...

    ...Wonder if they play _The Flight of the Bumblebee_ on WBZ?! (I know
    it for Channel 4, WBZ-FM is sports radio format, WBZ-AM is talk radio.)
    They could steal it to play under their station IDs... ;)
    Wonder if they've thought about it?
    Only if someone in the loop knows about the piece... and maybe it
    was vetoed as being too obscure... <G>
    Possibly! Or maybe Authur Fidler prefered WGBH over WBZ when in town.
    That would be Arthur Fiedler, actually... ;) And he probably did
    prefer WGBH as the classical station... ;)
    Oops -- there was a local company with 'Fidler' in the name.

    Ah....

    ... I am a mental tourist, My mind wanders!
    Heck, my mind sometimes wanders so far it needs a passport!
    With special visas as well, eh...? ;)
    Maybe special MasterCards and Discovers as well!
    Only if you are planning to charge an humungous amount.... ;)
    We'll put a bunch on this card, and a bunch on this other card.....

    Balance it out... but one still has to pay eventually.. ;)

    The open-obscurity: former conductor of the Boston Pops, Channel 2 (Boston) in the NTSC/pre-digital days, Channel 4 (Boston), and Boston.
    Right... I'm familiar with Fiedler and the Boston Pops, also with
    WGBH as the station that broadcasts the Boston Pops and the BSO... :)
    Not to be confused with the Fidlers of Davenport!

    Exactly... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jun 6 10:32:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where
    Curiously, recently I've been seeing billboard ads for DuckDuckGo, as
    well as hearing them be a sponsor for NPR... ;) They are pushing one
    of their other strong points, the privacy issue, since they don't track
    where you go...
    They don't; everyone else does. <g> (Not a slam at DuckDuckGo:
    everyone tracks no matter what search engine.)
    Ah, but they dump the cookies along the way, and don't let the
    others track the way they'd like to...

    Hmmm... OTOH I do frequently use 'Private Mode' of Firefox. Probably
    similar though not the same.


    I always hated those Windows error messages which have "or ask your
    system administrator for help". I _am_ the 'System Administrator'!!!
    Yes, that does make it harder for you... ;)
    To me it's sort of a cop out: sure, the administrator can control
    access and what is installed but the message doesn't tell him (or her) anything useful either, like a 0x code or some THIS_IS_WHERE_THE_BOOBOO_OCCURRED verbiage. And yes, I have received
    some cryptic errors from Linux; at least it doesn't tell me to go ask
    for help.
    If something like that showed up on my screen, I'd just yell for
    the Wizard.... he's the System Administrator for this
    household... and generally does have a clue... or can figure it
    out...

    I'm a Gemini so I yell for my other self. <g>


    ... I am a mental tourist, My mind wanders!
    Heck, my mind sometimes wanders so far it needs a passport!
    With special visas as well, eh...? ;)
    Maybe special MasterCards and Discovers as well!
    Only if you are planning to charge an humungous amount.... ;)
    We'll put a bunch on this card, and a bunch on this other card.....
    Balance it out... but one still has to pay eventually.. ;)

    Yup! Good news is I/we haven't had to play Bill Roulette ==> pay this
    one but not some other.


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Mon Jun 8 09:41:00 2020
    Barry,

    Hmmm... OTOH I do frequently use 'Private Mode' of Firefox. Probably similar though not the same.

    I didn't use that, but I have DuckDuckGO as the search engine. Google and
    the others are too nosey.

    I'm a Gemini so I yell for my other self. <g>

    I said to myself today..."Self...". But, I talk to myself when I need
    expert advice. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Tue Jun 9 08:02:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    Hmmm... OTOH I do frequently use 'Private Mode' of Firefox. Probably similar though not the same.
    I didn't use that, but I have DuckDuckGO as the search engine.
    Google and the others are too nosey.

    I don't know. Not agreeing, not disagreeing. There are advantages to
    being somewhat tracked: I want Smith's Repair Service here in Davenport
    and not in Seattle. ...I've done research and web wanderings for
    Vienna, Austria, but not sure how 'nosey' it gets as I usually add
    "Austria" or the search is semi-pointing to over there anyway (how many 'Traungasse's are there in the U.S.?)

    And I might be a little less concerned with being tracked as I in all of
    my jobs since High School it has been advantageous for me to leave a
    paper trail. Not saying Google and others might be too inquisitive, but
    for what I do it has been more of an advantage than not. That opinion
    could of course change.


    I'm a Gemini so I yell for my other self. <g>
    I said to myself today..."Self...". But, I talk to myself when
    I need expert advice. <G>

    Sounds like a situation of a bunch of Yes Men to me!


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    Wonder if she could look that information up on his Internet?!

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Thu Jun 11 10:01:00 2020
    Barry,

    I don't know. Not agreeing, not disagreeing. There are advantages to being somewhat tracked: I want Smith's Repair Service here in Davenport and not in Seattle. ...I've done research and web wanderings for
    Vienna, Austria, but not sure how 'nosey' it gets as I usually add "Austria" or the search is semi-pointing to over there anyway (how many 'Traungasse's are there in the U.S.?)

    Well, you really have to know what you're looking for, as some businesses
    or areas have the same or similar names in different locations. I noted that there was a town in South Dakota called Hot Springs, just like in Arkansas.
    I was talking to the local Skywarn Coordinator via ham radio, and mentioned that "Doppler Radar noted a tornado near Hot Springs, moving northeast at 30 mph". He about crapped his pants when he asked "What??!!"...and I said "Oh, I'm sorry...I should've said 'South Dakota'". I thought he was going to skin me alive. <G>

    And I might be a little less concerned with being tracked as I in all
    of my jobs since High School it has been advantageous for me to leave a paper trail. Not saying Google and others might be too inquisitive,
    but for what I do it has been more of an advantage than not. That
    opinion could of course change.

    The ads for DuckDuckGo is that they were searching for a product, or on illnesses...and now, they were getting ads for the products, or embarrassing medical conditions.

    I'm a Gemini so I yell for my other self. <g>
    I said to myself today..."Self...". But, I talk to myself when
    I need expert advice. <G>

    Sounds like a situation of a bunch of Yes Men to me!

    And, like Dumbo, they work for peanuts. <G>

    But, while my Zodiac sign is Aries, my true sign is SLIPPERY WHEN WET. <G>

    ... ALGORITHM - Tipper's birth control method.

    Wonder if she could look that information up on his Internet?!

    Only on the sperm of the moment. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Fri Jun 12 12:14:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    I don't know. Not agreeing, not disagreeing. There are advantages to being somewhat tracked: I want Smith's Repair Service here in Davenport and not in Seattle. ...I've done research and web wanderings for
    Vienna, Austria, but not sure how 'nosey' it gets as I usually add "Austria" or the search is semi-pointing to over there anyway (how many 'Traungasse's are there in the U.S.?)
    Well, you really have to know what you're looking for, as some businesses or areas have the same or similar names in different
    locations. I noted that there was a town in South Dakota called
    Hot Springs, just like in Arkansas. I was talking to the local
    Skywarn Coordinator via ham radio, and mentioned that "Doppler
    Radar noted a tornado near Hot Springs, moving northeast at 30
    mph". He about crapped his pants when he asked "What??!!"...and I
    said "Oh, I'm sorry...I should've said 'South Dakota'". I thought
    he was going to skin me alive. <G>

    <ROTFL!> Yes, there can be some rather interesting occurances with assumptions and partial information. A lot of duplicate place names.


    And I might be a little less concerned with being tracked as I in all
    of my jobs since High School it has been advantageous for me to leave a paper trail. Not saying Google and others might be too inquisitive,
    but for what I do it has been more of an advantage than not. That
    opinion could of course change.
    The ads for DuckDuckGo is that they were searching for a
    product, or on illnesses...and now, they were getting ads for the products, or embarrassing medical conditions.

    "Are you suferring from <condition>?"
    "No, I'm rather enjoying it, thank you!"


    I'm a Gemini so I yell for my other self. <g>
    I said to myself today..."Self...". But, I talk to myself when
    I need expert advice. <G>
    Sounds like a situation of a bunch of Yes Men to me!
    And, like Dumbo, they work for peanuts. <G>

    Well they work for some sort of nut!


    But, while my Zodiac sign is Aries, my true sign is SLIPPERY
    WHEN WET. <G>

    I'm thinking the old rock group Wet Willie.



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Sun Jun 14 10:25:00 2020
    Barry,

    Radar noted a tornado near Hot Springs, moving northeast at 30
    mph". He about crapped his pants when he asked "What??!!"...and I
    said "Oh, I'm sorry...I should've said 'South Dakota'". I thought
    he was going to skin me alive. <G>

    <ROTFL!> Yes, there can be some rather interesting occurances with assumptions and partial information. A lot of duplicate place names.

    Arkansas has a lot of these names, like El Paso, Houston, and Austin,
    for openers.

    "Are you suferring from <condition>?"
    "No, I'm rather enjoying it, thank you!"

    Do you have trouble lying?? No, I lie quite well, thank you. <G>

    And, like Dumbo, they work for peanuts. <G>

    Well they work for some sort of nut!

    Just hope the benefits aren't trunk-ated. <G>

    But, while my Zodiac sign is Aries, my true sign is SLIPPERY
    WHEN WET. <G>

    I'm thinking the old rock group Wet Willie.

    Or like when taking the dachshund out for a walk in the rain, "you
    don't want to get your weiner wet". <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue Jun 16 16:10:48 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 06-Jun-2020 10:32 <=-

    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where
    Curiously, recently I've been seeing billboard ads for DuckDuckGo, as
    well as hearing them be a sponsor for NPR... ;) They are pushing one
    of their other strong points, the privacy issue, since they don't
    track where you go...
    They don't; everyone else does. <g> (Not a slam at DuckDuckGo:
    everyone tracks no matter what search engine.)
    Ah, but they dump the cookies along the way, and don't let the others
    track the way they'd like to...
    Hmmm... OTOH I do frequently use 'Private Mode' of Firefox. Probably similar though not the same.

    I'd have to ask the Wizard on that... i'd guess not similar enough...

    I always hated those Windows error messages which have "or ask your
    system administrator for help". I _am_ the 'System Administrator'!!!
    Yes, that does make it harder for you... ;)
    To me it's sort of a cop out: sure, the administrator can control
    access and what is installed but the message doesn't tell him (or her)
    anything useful either, like a 0x code or some
    THIS_IS_WHERE_THE_BOOBOO_OCCURRED verbiage. And yes, I have received
    some cryptic errors from Linux; at least it doesn't tell me to go ask
    for help.
    If something like that showed up on my screen, I'd just yell for the
    Wizard.... he's the System Administrator for this household... and
    generally does have a clue... or can figure it out...
    I'm a Gemini so I yell for my other self. <g>

    Between the two of you, you can always figure things out, eh...? ;)

    ... I am a mental tourist, My mind wanders!
    Heck, my mind sometimes wanders so far it needs a passport!
    With special visas as well, eh...? ;)
    Maybe special MasterCards and Discovers as well!
    Only if you are planning to charge an humungous amount.... ;)
    We'll put a bunch on this card, and a bunch on this other card.....
    Balance it out... but one still has to pay eventually.. ;)
    Yup! Good news is I/we haven't had to play Bill Roulette ==> pay this
    one but not some other.

    Or use one to pay the next.... No, best to stay on top of things right
    along and pay as you go, whether running things through cards or not... :)

    ... Anyone know what it is or how it works?

    Or cares....??? <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Tue Jun 16 07:50:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    Radar noted a tornado near Hot Springs, moving northeast at 30
    mph". He about crapped his pants when he asked "What??!!"...and I
    said "Oh, I'm sorry...I should've said 'South Dakota'". I thought
    he was going to skin me alive. <G>
    <ROTFL!> Yes, there can be some rather interesting occurances with assumptions and partial information. A lot of duplicate place names.
    Arkansas has a lot of these names, like El Paso, Houston, and
    Austin, for openers.

    Around here we get a litle more exotic: Milan and Rio, for instance.
    Though pronounced "MY-lun" and "RYE-oh".



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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed Jun 17 08:11:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where
    Curiously, recently I've been seeing billboard ads for DuckDuckGo, as
    well as hearing them be a sponsor for NPR... ;) They are pushing one
    of their other strong points, the privacy issue, since they don't
    track where you go...
    They don't; everyone else does. <g> (Not a slam at DuckDuckGo:
    everyone tracks no matter what search engine.)
    Ah, but they dump the cookies along the way, and don't let the others
    track the way they'd like to...
    Hmmm... OTOH I do frequently use 'Private Mode' of Firefox. Probably similar though not the same.
    I'd have to ask the Wizard on that... i'd guess not similar
    enough...

    And Richard might not be familiar enough as he uses DuckDuckGo instead
    of Firefox. ...Learning session for all!


    I always hated those Windows error messages which have "or ask your
    system administrator for help". I _am_ the 'System Administrator'!!!
    Yes, that does make it harder for you... ;)
    To me it's sort of a cop out: sure, the administrator can control
    access and what is installed but the message doesn't tell him (or her)
    anything useful either, like a 0x code or some
    THIS_IS_WHERE_THE_BOOBOO_OCCURRED verbiage. And yes, I have received
    some cryptic errors from Linux; at least it doesn't tell me to go ask
    for help.
    If something like that showed up on my screen, I'd just yell for the
    Wizard.... he's the System Administrator for this household... and
    generally does have a clue... or can figure it out...
    I'm a Gemini so I yell for my other self. <g>
    Between the two of you, you can always figure things out, eh...?
    ;)

    We do sometimes confuse each other thoroughly!


    ... I am a mental tourist, My mind wanders!
    Heck, my mind sometimes wanders so far it needs a passport!
    With special visas as well, eh...? ;)
    Maybe special MasterCards and Discovers as well!
    Only if you are planning to charge an humungous amount.... ;)
    We'll put a bunch on this card, and a bunch on this other card.....
    Balance it out... but one still has to pay eventually.. ;)
    Yup! Good news is I/we haven't had to play Bill Roulette ==> pay this
    one but not some other.
    Or use one to pay the next.... No, best to stay on top of things
    right along and pay as you go, whether running things through
    cards or not... :)

    Yes, best to stay on top of things but not always possible: low-paying
    job -- "get a better paying one" isn't always possible due to various roadblocks or conveniences (if can't afford a car to get to the better-
    paying job....).

    Part of the bill-swamp might be the use of plastic along with the lack
    of receipts. With cash had a physical symbol of coming ins and going
    outs. With credit cards there's a piece of plastic which doesn't change
    other than getting worn-lookign after a while.

    I remember when the store switched over to direct deposit: no physical paycheck to symbolize payment of the work I've done. Work work work and nothing in return. Sure, the money was in my account, just I didn't get
    to touch it like with the paper paycheck.



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    Black Box Time!


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Fri Jun 19 10:56:00 2020
    Barry,

    And Richard might not be familiar enough as he uses DuckDuckGo instead
    of Firefox. ...Learning session for all!

    DuckDuckGo has a browser for Android...but I use the DuckDuckGo search
    engine with Firefox. I checked for a DuckDuckGo browser, but didn't see
    one, or I had the wrong search criteria.

    We do sometimes confuse each other thoroughly!

    Welcome to the state of confusion...our visitor center is busy. <G>

    Part of the bill-swamp might be the use of plastic along with the lack
    of receipts. With cash had a physical symbol of coming ins and going outs. With credit cards there's a piece of plastic which doesn't
    change other than getting worn-lookign after a while.

    Or, it won't scan right in the reader. And, you have to be on the lookout
    for skimmers.

    I remember when the store switched over to direct deposit: no physical paycheck to symbolize payment of the work I've done. Work work work
    and nothing in return. Sure, the money was in my account, just I
    didn't get to touch it like with the paper paycheck.

    I prefer direct deposit myself...but a lot of people don't have bank accounts.

    Black Box Time!

    Darn...I prefer another color. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Jun 24 17:32:02 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 17-Jun-2020 08:11 <=-

    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where
    Curiously, recently I've been seeing billboard ads for DuckDuckGo, as
    well as hearing them be a sponsor for NPR... ;) They are pushing one
    of their other strong points, the privacy issue, since they don't
    track where you go...
    They don't; everyone else does. <g> (Not a slam at DuckDuckGo:
    everyone tracks no matter what search engine.)
    Ah, but they dump the cookies along the way, and don't let the others
    track the way they'd like to...
    Hmmm... OTOH I do frequently use 'Private Mode' of Firefox. Probably
    similar though not the same.
    I'd have to ask the Wizard on that... I'd guess not similar enough...
    And Richard might not be familiar enough as he uses DuckDuckGo instead
    of Firefox. ...Learning session for all!

    He's checked out the alternatives from time to time, so probably does
    know about it...

    Heck, my mind sometimes wanders so far it needs a passport!
    With special visas as well, eh...? ;)
    Maybe special MasterCards and Discovers as well!
    Only if you are planning to charge an humungous amount.... ;)
    We'll put a bunch on this card, and a bunch on this other card.....
    Balance it out... but one still has to pay eventually.. ;)
    Yup! Good news is I/we haven't had to play Bill Roulette ==> pay this
    one but not some other.
    Or use one to pay the next.... No, best to stay on top of things right
    along and pay as you go, whether running things through cards or not...
    Yes, best to stay on top of things but not always possible: low-paying
    job -- "get a better paying one" isn't always possible due to various roadblocks or conveniences (if can't afford a car to get to the better-paying job....).

    One has to be very careful in that sort of circumstance not to let the
    card (or access to credit) be a trap....

    Part of the bill-swamp might be the use of plastic along with the lack
    of receipts. With cash had a physical symbol of coming ins and going outs. With credit cards there's a piece of plastic which doesn't
    change other than getting worn-looking after a while.

    At least if one keeps the receipts or at least closely monitors the
    statements when they come, one should have a clue... but the mindset
    that plastic isn't really money is easy enough to fall into... until the
    bill comes and it's too big to pay off at once...

    I remember when the store switched over to direct deposit: no physical
    paycheck to symbolize payment of the work I've done. Work work work
    and nothing in return. Sure, the money was in my account, just I
    didn't get to touch it like with the paper paycheck.

    A different psychological/mental impact.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jun 26 15:53:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I should try DuckDuckGo again -- admittedly one of those deals where
    Curiously, recently I've been seeing billboard ads for DuckDuckGo, as
    well as hearing them be a sponsor for NPR... ;) They are pushing one
    of their other strong points, the privacy issue, since they don't
    track where you go...
    They don't; everyone else does. <g> (Not a slam at DuckDuckGo:
    everyone tracks no matter what search engine.)
    Ah, but they dump the cookies along the way, and don't let the others
    track the way they'd like to...
    Hmmm... OTOH I do frequently use 'Private Mode' of Firefox. Probably
    similar though not the same.
    I'd have to ask the Wizard on that... I'd guess not similar enough...
    And Richard might not be familiar enough as he uses DuckDuckGo instead
    of Firefox. ...Learning session for all!
    He's checked out the alternatives from time to time, so probably
    does know about it...

    Probably.


    Heck, my mind sometimes wanders so far it needs a passport!
    With special visas as well, eh...? ;)
    Maybe special MasterCards and Discovers as well!
    Only if you are planning to charge an humungous amount.... ;)
    We'll put a bunch on this card, and a bunch on this other card.....
    Balance it out... but one still has to pay eventually.. ;)
    Yup! Good news is I/we haven't had to play Bill Roulette ==> pay this
    one but not some other.
    Or use one to pay the next.... No, best to stay on top of things right
    along and pay as you go, whether running things through cards or not...
    Yes, best to stay on top of things but not always possible: low-paying
    job -- "get a better paying one" isn't always possible due to various roadblocks or conveniences (if can't afford a car to get to the better-paying job....).
    One has to be very careful in that sort of circumstance not to
    let the card (or access to credit) be a trap....

    Yes: Rule #1 is it is not 'free money': it does have to be paid back.
    And the credit rules sometimes seem backwards: if you need to borrow
    money you can't get the credit to do so; if you have the money and don't
    need to borrow money they pester you to borrow!


    Part of the bill-swamp might be the use of plastic along with the lack
    of receipts. With cash had a physical symbol of coming ins and going outs. With credit cards there's a piece of plastic which doesn't
    change other than getting worn-looking after a while.
    At least if one keeps the receipts or at least closely monitors
    the statements when they come, one should have a clue... but the
    mindset that plastic isn't really money is easy enough to fall
    into... until the bill comes and it's too big to pay off at
    once...

    Yup. People need to be taught (and more importantly realize) to journal
    their income and outgo in some manner, IMO other than a pie chart or
    list provided at the swipe of a finger or mouse click. My way is to hand-write the numbers in the checkbook and a journal. Makes me more
    aware the numbers are attached to real money.


    I remember when the store switched over to direct deposit: no physical
    paycheck to symbolize payment of the work I've done. Work work work
    and nothing in return. Sure, the money was in my account, just I
    didn't get to touch it like with the paper paycheck.
    A different psychological/mental impact.... ;)

    Yes: I was raised with paper so when "took that away" the link between
    work and payment was gone.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Jul 4 18:17:12 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 26-Jun-2020 15:53 <=-

    Balance it out... but one still has to pay eventually.. ;)
    Yup! Good news is I/we haven't had to play Bill Roulette ==> pay this
    one but not some other.
    Or use one to pay the next.... No, best to stay on top of things right
    along and pay as you go, whether running things through cards or not...
    Yes, best to stay on top of things but not always possible: low-paying
    job -- "get a better paying one" isn't always possible due to various
    roadblocks or conveniences (if can't afford a car to get to the
    better-paying job....).
    One has to be very careful in that sort of circumstance not to let the
    card (or access to credit) be a trap....
    Yes: Rule #1 is it is not 'free money': it does have to be paid back.

    Exactly.

    And the credit rules sometimes seem backwards: if you need to borrow
    money you can't get the credit to do so; if you have the money and
    don't need to borrow money they pester you to borrow!

    The trick is to normally stay on top of things, only buying what is well
    within one's means, so that one has the margin to get the less
    accessible needs when they arise.... and be able to make any necessary
    payments on any debt that needs to be incurred... And then, when you
    have the money and don't need to borrow, not to be sucked in by the pesterers... ;)

    Part of the bill-swamp might be the use of plastic along with the lack
    of receipts. With cash had a physical symbol of coming ins and going
    outs. With credit cards there's a piece of plastic which doesn't
    change other than getting worn-looking after a while.
    At least if one keeps the receipts or at least closely monitors the
    statements when they come, one should have a clue... but the mindset
    that plastic isn't really money is easy enough to fall into... until
    the bill comes and it's too big to pay off at once...
    Yup. People need to be taught (and more importantly realize) to
    journal their income and outgo in some manner, IMO other than a pie
    chart or list provided at the swipe of a finger or mouse click. My way
    is to hand-write the numbers in the checkbook and a journal. Makes me more aware the numbers are attached to real money.

    We each end up with our own methods... :)

    I remember when the store switched over to direct deposit: no physical
    paycheck to symbolize payment of the work I've done. Work work work
    and nothing in return. Sure, the money was in my account, just I
    didn't get to touch it like with the paper paycheck.
    A different psychological/mental impact.... ;)
    Yes: I was raised with paper so when "took that away" the link between work and payment was gone.

    That's when one needs to set up other ways of maintaining that link
    mentally... whether between work and pay, or income and outgo... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jul 5 08:32:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    <Credit cards and finances stuff>
    And the credit rules sometimes seem backwards: if you need to borrow
    money you can't get the credit to do so; if you have the money and
    don't need to borrow money they pester you to borrow!
    The trick is to normally stay on top of things, only buying what
    is well within one's means, so that one has the margin to get the
    less accessible needs when they arise.... and be able to make any necessary payments on any debt that needs to be incurred... And
    then, when you have the money and don't need to borrow, not to be
    sucked in by the pesterers... ;)

    Yes. Was reading the other day what the article classified as poor were constantly zinged: if no bank account the person gets charged $7
    (article's number) for check cashing. So to use easy numbers their $100 paycheck is now a little over $90. Pay a bill by buying a money order,
    there's a fee for that, further chipping away at that paycheck.

    OTOH I get money (interest/dividend) because I have money in the bank/
    credit union, get free checking (and whine about paying for a new box of checks).....



    I remember when the store switched over to direct deposit: no physical
    paycheck to symbolize payment of the work I've done. Work work work
    and nothing in return. Sure, the money was in my account, just I
    didn't get to touch it like with the paper paycheck.
    A different psychological/mental impact.... ;)
    Yes: I was raised with paper so when "took that away" the link between work and payment was gone.
    That's when one needs to set up other ways of maintaining that
    link mentally... whether between work and pay, or income and
    outgo... :)

    Right. For me the handwritten entries in the journal seem to help with
    that linking.


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Tue Jul 7 12:27:00 2020
    Barry,

    Yes. Was reading the other day what the article classified as poor
    were constantly zinged: if no bank account the person gets charged $7 (article's number) for check cashing. So to use easy numbers their
    $100 paycheck is now a little over $90. Pay a bill by buying a money order, there's a fee for that, further chipping away at that paycheck.

    Even they declared these Cash Advance places illegal, they still do it.
    It's not worth it, for a 400% or more interest charge.

    OTOH I get money (interest/dividend) because I have money in the bank/ credit union, get free checking (and whine about paying for a new box
    of checks).....

    I have to pay for my checks, but thankfully, most of my transactions
    are done electronically.

    Right. For me the handwritten entries in the journal seem to help with that linking.

    Now, if I could only read my poor handwriting in the check register. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Wed Jul 8 07:37:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    Yes. Was reading the other day what the article classified as poor
    were constantly zinged: if no bank account the person gets charged $7 (article's number) for check cashing. So to use easy numbers their
    $100 paycheck is now a little over $90. Pay a bill by buying a money order, there's a fee for that, further chipping away at that paycheck.
    Even they declared these Cash Advance places illegal, they
    still do it. It's not worth it, for a 400% or more interest
    charge.

    Unfortunately right, and if one needs money one is going to find a way
    to get it somehow. As for the the exorbitant fees, part of that is
    greed, part of thet is just because they can get away with it.


    OTOH I get money (interest/dividend) because I have money in the bank/ credit union, get free checking (and whine about paying for a new box
    of checks).....
    I have to pay for my checks, but thankfully, most of my
    transactions are done electronically.

    Yes, same here. Like the convenience, plus I know the bill will be paid
    on a specific date, not maybe several days earlier or later.


    Right. For me the handwritten entries in the journal seem to help with that linking.
    Now, if I could only read my poor handwriting in the check
    register. <G>

    I also have that problem! Usually print the payee because of the not
    always legible handwriting.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Jul 24 18:09:58 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 05-Jul-2020 08:32 <=-

    <Credit cards and finances stuff>
    The trick is to normally stay on top of things, only buying what is
    well within one's means, so that one has the margin to get the less
    accessible needs when they arise... and be able to make any necessary
    payments on any debt that needs to be incurred... And then, when you
    have the money and don't need to borrow, not to be sucked in by the
    pesterers... ;)
    Yes. Was reading the other day what the article classified as poor
    were constantly zinged: if no bank account the person gets charged $7 (article's number) for check cashing. So to use easy numbers their
    $100 paycheck is now a little over $90. Pay a bill by buying a money order, there's a fee for that, further chipping away at that paycheck.

    The commercial banks, even the small town ones, aren't set up to be kind
    to the poor, what with their fees and monthly maintenance charges when
    under some minimum amount (or without direct deposit of pay or
    pension)... But that's where the credit unions come in as a godsend to
    the poor... As long as one meets some basic criteria (generally living
    or working in the area served by the credit union), one can open a free checking account, no fees, and for as little as a $1 deposit... So the
    person the article referenced could deposit the paycheck into the
    account, and write checks to pay the bills, no extra fees... And the FCU
    I use gives a free box of checks when one opens the account... and a
    debit card if one wishes, to access the account without checks... :)

    OTOH I get money (interest/dividend) because I have money in the bank/ credit union, get free checking (and whine about paying for a new box
    of checks).....

    Credit unions are a much more friendly option... :) And the accounts
    that I use a lot of checks for, I generally get my checks mail-order at
    one of the discount places like Checks Unlimited... their 4-box offers
    for new customers are a lot less expensive than buying new checks
    through the bank or CU... :) It takes me a long time to use up 4 boxes
    worth of checks... <G>

    I remember when the store switched over to direct deposit: no physical
    paycheck to symbolize payment of the work I've done. Work work work
    and nothing in return. Sure, the money was in my account, just I
    didn't get to touch it like with the paper paycheck.
    A different psychological/mental impact.... ;)
    Yes: I was raised with paper so when "took that away" the link between
    work and payment was gone.
    That's when one needs to set up other ways of maintaining that link
    mentally... whether between work and pay, or income and outgo... :)
    Right. For me the handwritten entries in the journal seem to help
    with that linking.

    So that works for you.. :) For me, it's usually sufficient to enter the
    direct deposit into the bankbook... ;) And to keep up with the various
    debits, checks, withdrawals etc into the checkbook register... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jul 25 08:38:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    <Credit cards and finances stuff>
    The trick is to normally stay on top of things, only buying what is
    well within one's means, so that one has the margin to get the less
    accessible needs when they arise... and be able to make any necessary
    payments on any debt that needs to be incurred... And then, when you
    have the money and don't need to borrow, not to be sucked in by the
    pesterers... ;)
    Yes. Was reading the other day what the article classified as poor
    were constantly zinged: if no bank account the person gets charged $7 (article's number) for check cashing. So to use easy numbers their
    $100 paycheck is now a little over $90. Pay a bill by buying a money order, there's a fee for that, further chipping away at that paycheck.
    The commercial banks, even the small town ones, aren't set up to
    be kind to the poor, what with their fees and monthly maintenance
    charges when under some minimum amount (or without direct deposit
    of pay or pension)... But that's where the credit unions come in
    as a godsend to the poor... As long as one meets some basic
    criteria (generally living or working in the area served by the
    credit union), one can open a free checking account, no fees, and
    for as little as a $1 deposit... So the person the article
    referenced could deposit the paycheck into the account, and write
    checks to pay the bills, no extra fees... And the FCU I use gives
    a free box of checks when one opens the account... and a debit
    card if one wishes, to access the account without checks... :)

    OK, yes; I'll admit to sort of forgetting about the credit union option.
    (And my Mother and I use them!) My credit union has a $5 opening and
    minimum requirement which still could be a stretch if someone is
    searching for couch cushion change but at least that's a one-time fee
    and as long as don't go below one doesn't get hit with other fees.

    I don't recall if the first box of checks were free; replacements aren't
    (have to pay) but with the free Bill Pay (electronic payment) they last
    quite a while. Also got the free debit card which has or had some sort
    of points programme attached to it: purchases get points as long as used
    five times per month. (The credit card I usually use is a better deal
    for me.)


    OTOH I get money (interest/dividend) because I have money in the bank/ credit union, get free checking (and whine about paying for a new box
    of checks).....
    Credit unions are a much more friendly option... :) And the
    accounts that I use a lot of checks for, I generally get my
    checks mail-order at one of the discount places like Checks
    Unlimited... their 4-box offers for new customers are a lot less
    expensive than buying new checks through the bank or CU... :) It
    takes me a long time to use up 4 boxes worth of checks... <G>

    Yup! My old bank had a style of check that was free: plain and a light
    blue IIRC. Fine with me: do I really care the Gas and Electric Co. is
    getting a check with puppies on it? LIS my credit union charges for the
    checks -- also plain; I'd guess a light red as their logo is red and
    black so could print with two colours (red and black).


    I remember when the store switched over to direct deposit: no physical
    paycheck to symbolize payment of the work I've done. Work work work
    and nothing in return. Sure, the money was in my account, just I
    didn't get to touch it like with the paper paycheck.
    A different psychological/mental impact.... ;)
    Yes: I was raised with paper so when "took that away" the link between
    work and payment was gone.
    That's when one needs to set up other ways of maintaining that link
    mentally... whether between work and pay, or income and outgo... :)
    Right. For me the handwritten entries in the journal seem to help
    with that linking.
    So that works for you.. :) For me, it's usually sufficient to
    enter the direct deposit into the bankbook... ;) And to keep up
    with the various debits, checks, withdrawals etc into the
    checkbook register... :)

    Right: one accounting method doesn't work for all. While doing the
    multiple entries in my method sometimes seem like a pain (I'll even
    occasionaly grumble!) for me helps to focus on money in and money out.
    And not saying you're not having the same focus, just your method is
    slightly different.


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