• Re: packets

    From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Mar 12 23:31:34 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 06-Mar-2020 08:47 <=-

    As long as they work and benefit you they're to your advantage!
    I'd've said more that I learn how to work [with] each system... at
    least as best I can.... ;)
    ... If what you've done is stupid, but it works, it ain't stupid.
    Selected tagline? Seems appropriate. :)
    Actually it was the first one that came up randomly that time, but it
    did seem appropriate, so I entered it... <G>
    Just another proof these computers aren't inanimate!
    Or some programmer came up with a rather useful algorithm... ;)
    It seems like it's alive!
    Maybe partially sentient, I suppose.... <G>
    And thus artificial intelligence was started!
    Or at least people think it might really exist... ;)
    It seems to have some minor existance in some people!!

    Are you saying that the intelligence some people exhibit is probably artificial....? ;)

    Of course some events have 'must start here' rules: a math addition
    problem is done from right to left, though I have done simple ones
    from left to right.
    Subtraction and division are even more so... I've done simple
    ones backwards too... just have to keep track of any carrying
    happening...
    That is part of the 'trick'!

    And sometimes is a bigger trick than others... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Mar 13 09:40:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    As long as they work and benefit you they're to your advantage!
    I'd've said more that I learn how to work [with] each system... at
    least as best I can.... ;)
    ... If what you've done is stupid, but it works, it ain't stupid.
    Selected tagline? Seems appropriate. :)
    Actually it was the first one that came up randomly that time, but it
    did seem appropriate, so I entered it... <G>
    Just another proof these computers aren't inanimate!
    Or some programmer came up with a rather useful algorithm... ;)
    It seems like it's alive!
    Maybe partially sentient, I suppose.... <G>
    And thus artificial intelligence was started!
    Or at least people think it might really exist... ;)
    It seems to have some minor existance in some people!!
    Are you saying that the intelligence some people exhibit is
    probably artificial....? ;)

    Some of the facts they spout seem unreal!


    Of course some events have 'must start here' rules: a math addition
    problem is done from right to left, though I have done simple ones
    from left to right.
    Subtraction and division are even more so... I've done simple
    ones backwards too... just have to keep track of any carrying
    happening...
    That is part of the 'trick'!
    And sometimes is a bigger trick than others... <G>

    That's true. I only do with shorter numbers (hundreds, thousands is
    pushing things) and lined up vertically.


    Barry_Martin_3@
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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Mar 25 18:01:06 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 13-Mar-2020 09:40 <=-

    Just another proof these computers aren't inanimate!
    Or some programmer came up with a rather useful algorithm... ;)
    It seems like it's alive!
    Maybe partially sentient, I suppose.... <G>
    And thus artificial intelligence was started!
    Or at least people think it might really exist... ;)
    It seems to have some minor existance in some people!!
    Are you saying that the intelligence some people exhibit is
    probably artificial....? ;)
    Some of the facts they spout seem unreal!

    There certainly is that...! But those I just take as signs of lack of intelligence, not artificial.... ;)

    Of course some events have 'must start here' rules: a math addition
    problem is done from right to left, though I have done simple ones
    from left to right.
    Subtraction and division are even more so... I've done simple
    ones backwards too... just have to keep track of any carrying
    happening...
    That is part of the 'trick'!
    And sometimes is a bigger trick than others... <G>
    That's true. I only do with shorter numbers (hundreds, thousands is pushing things) and lined up vertically.

    Yup... and not more than two numbers at a time.... Doing the taxes I get
    these long strings of numbers to add together... those one has to do
    properly, or the carries are impossible to figure... <G> But only two
    numbers, I can generally do six or so figures still... lined up
    vertically is also important.... :) For those long columns of numbers,
    I'll do it all pencil and paper, and then check my sum with the
    calculator.... I figure it's good mental exercise to do as much as
    possible manually... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Mar 26 07:37:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Just another proof these computers aren't inanimate!
    Or some programmer came up with a rather useful algorithm... ;)
    It seems like it's alive!
    Maybe partially sentient, I suppose.... <G>
    And thus artificial intelligence was started!
    Or at least people think it might really exist... ;)
    It seems to have some minor existance in some people!!
    Are you saying that the intelligence some people exhibit is
    probably artificial....? ;)
    Some of the facts they spout seem unreal!
    There certainly is that...! But those I just take as signs of
    lack of intelligence, not artificial.... ;)

    Some thoughts just don't seem natural! (There: figured out a play on 'artificial'!)



    Of course some events have 'must start here' rules: a math addition
    problem is done from right to left, though I have done simple ones
    from left to right.
    Subtraction and division are even more so... I've done simple
    ones backwards too... just have to keep track of any carrying
    happening...
    That is part of the 'trick'!
    And sometimes is a bigger trick than others... <G>
    That's true. I only do with shorter numbers (hundreds, thousands is pushing things) and lined up vertically.
    Yup... and not more than two numbers at a time.... Doing the
    taxes I get these long strings of numbers to add together...
    those one has to do properly, or the carries are impossible to
    figure... <G> But only two numbers, I can generally do six or so
    figures still... lined up vertically is also important.... :)
    For those long columns of numbers, I'll do it all pencil and
    paper, and then check my sum with the calculator.... I figure
    it's good mental exercise to do as much as possible manually...
    :)

    It is, and I'll admit to reaching for the calculator too often: more out
    of uncertainty. When going through school they started me with the "Old
    Math" and then switch to the "New Math". I don't remember what the differences are but do know it confused me and while I was decent with
    the Old Math the 'conversion' broke the rules and I never quite
    unscrambled them. Can do math manually, and do, just certain number combinations seem to not quite click. OTOH have also used the
    calculator and realized the answer displayed doesn't seem right so there
    is some sort of mental calculating going on.




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    @Q.COM



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Apr 1 19:24:06 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 26-Mar-2020 07:37 <=-

    And thus artificial intelligence was started!
    Or at least people think it might really exist... ;)
    It seems to have some minor existance in some people!!
    Are you saying that the intelligence some people exhibit is
    probably artificial....? ;)
    Some of the facts they spout seem unreal!
    There certainly is that...! But those I just take as signs of lack
    of intelligence, not artificial.... ;)
    Some thoughts just don't seem natural! (There: figured out a play on 'artificial'!)

    Well, if that's the way you are defining artificial... <G>

    Of course some events have 'must start here' rules: a math addition
    problem is done from right to left, though I have done simple ones
    from left to right.
    Subtraction and division are even more so... I've done simple
    ones backwards too... just have to keep track of any carrying
    happening...
    That is part of the 'trick'!
    And sometimes is a bigger trick than others... <G>
    That's true. I only do with shorter numbers (hundreds, thousands is
    pushing things) and lined up vertically.
    Yup... and not more than two numbers at a time.... Doing the taxes I
    get these long strings of numbers to add together... those one has to
    do properly, or the carries are impossible to figure... <G> But only
    two numbers, I can generally do six or so figures still... lined up
    vertically is also important... :) For those long columns of numbers,
    I'll do it all pencil and paper, and then check my sum with the
    calculator.... I figure it's good mental exercise to do as much as
    possible manually... :)
    It is, and I'll admit to reaching for the calculator too often: more
    out of uncertainty. When going through school they started me with the "Old Math" and then switch to the "New Math".

    When I was in maybe 9th or 10th grade, we had a math teacher that
    decided we should have some exposure to the "new math"... but at least
    he was careful to keep from confusing us with it.... and it became more
    of another math tool for us....

    I don't remember what the differences are but do know it confused me
    and while I was decent with the Old Math the 'conversion' broke the
    rules and I never quite unscrambled them. Can do math manually, and
    do, just certain number combinations seem to not quite click.

    As I recall, it was adding into the mix things like algebra and
    geometry, but not calling them that, just throwing in the concepts that
    were supposed to help one understand how adding and subtracting and
    multiplying and dividing related to each other.... for some it was just
    another layer of MISunderstanding.... What comes to mind for me is a
    partly remembered Tom Lehrer song about the "New-ew-ew Math", a very
    humorous take on the confusions it generated in young (and not so young)
    minds about math....

    OTOH have also used the calculator and realized the answer displayed doesn't seem right so there is some sort of mental calculating going on.

    Which is what my Physics professor Daddy used to refer to as the common
    sense factor.... paying attention to whether or not the calculator's
    answer made any sense.... did you forget a decimal point, or add one too early...? Or did you transpose numbers while inputting them...? I
    always do it both ways, whichever I do first... and use the one to check
    the other... and if they don't agree, do them both again to find where
    the glitch is.... :)

    ... Math problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x]

    Speaking of the new-ew-ew math... <G>

    ttyl neb

    ... Of people born in 1839, 100% who ate carrots are dead!

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Apr 2 12:17:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    And thus artificial intelligence was started!
    Or at least people think it might really exist... ;)
    It seems to have some minor existance in some people!!
    Are you saying that the intelligence some people exhibit is
    probably artificial....? ;)
    Some of the facts they spout seem unreal!
    There certainly is that...! But those I just take as signs of lack
    of intelligence, not artificial.... ;)
    Some thoughts just don't seem natural! (There: figured out a play on 'artificial'!)
    Well, if that's the way you are defining artificial... <G>

    Artificially?!


    Of course some events have 'must start here' rules: a math addition
    problem is done from right to left, though I have done simple ones
    from left to right.
    Subtraction and division are even more so... I've done simple
    ones backwards too... just have to keep track of any carrying
    happening...
    That is part of the 'trick'!
    And sometimes is a bigger trick than others... <G>
    That's true. I only do with shorter numbers (hundreds, thousands is
    pushing things) and lined up vertically.
    Yup... and not more than two numbers at a time.... Doing the taxes I
    get these long strings of numbers to add together... those one has to
    do properly, or the carries are impossible to figure... <G> But only
    two numbers, I can generally do six or so figures still... lined up
    vertically is also important... :) For those long columns of numbers,
    I'll do it all pencil and paper, and then check my sum with the
    calculator.... I figure it's good mental exercise to do as much as
    possible manually... :)
    It is, and I'll admit to reaching for the calculator too often: more
    out of uncertainty. When going through school they started me with the "Old Math" and then switch to the "New Math".
    When I was in maybe 9th or 10th grade, we had a math teacher that
    decided we should have some exposure to the "new math"... but at
    least he was careful to keep from confusing us with it.... and it
    became more of another math tool for us....

    As an additional tool probably would have been fine for me but
    apparently my "new math" was a replacement and undermined what I had
    learned with the "old math". Anyway, the good news is I generally catch
    math errors: doing my beginning of the month payments. Either mis-keyed
    or mis-remembered an entry and when I listed the running total in my
    credit card journal thought "that's not right". Check: the entry was
    wrong.


    I don't remember what the differences are but do know it confused me
    and while I was decent with the Old Math the 'conversion' broke the
    rules and I never quite unscrambled them. Can do math manually, and
    do, just certain number combinations seem to not quite click.
    As I recall, it was adding into the mix things like algebra and
    geometry, but not calling them that, just throwing in the
    concepts that were supposed to help one understand how adding and subtracting and multiplying and dividing related to each
    other.... for some it was just another layer of
    MISunderstanding.... What comes to mind for me is a partly
    remembered Tom Lehrer song about the "New-ew-ew Math", a very
    humorous take on the confusions it generated in young (and not so
    young) minds about math....

    I must have been one of those confused characters in the song! I did do
    fairly well in algebra, etc. Didn't take too much 'advanced' math as
    didn't need to go that deep/'complex'.



    OTOH have also used the calculator and realized the answer displayed doesn't seem right so there is some sort of mental calculating going on.
    Which is what my Physics professor Daddy used to refer to as the
    common sense factor.... paying attention to whether or not the calculator's answer made any sense.... did you forget a decimal
    point, or add one too early...? Or did you transpose numbers
    while inputting them...? I always do it both ways, whichever I
    do first... and use the one to check the other... and if they
    don't agree, do them both again to find where the glitch is....
    :)

    Your father had a good name for the process! Just because a machine says
    so, or even someone else, doesn't absolutely mean it's correct/truthful.





    ... Math problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x]
    Speaking of the new-ew-ew math... <G>

    Do the innermost set first.... And if takes too long just call
    Directory Assistance!


    ... Of people born in 1839, 100% who ate carrots are dead!

    That seems proof enough carrots are bad for you!!



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    @Q.COM



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Apr 10 23:33:08 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 02-Apr-2020 12:17 <=-

    only two numbers, I can generally do six or so figures still... lined
    up vertically is also important... :) For those long columns of
    numbers, I'll do it all pencil and paper, and then check my sum with
    the calculator.... I figure it's good mental exercise to do as much as
    possible manually... :)
    It is, and I'll admit to reaching for the calculator too often: more
    out of uncertainty. When going through school they started me with the
    "Old Math" and then switch to the "New Math".
    When I was in maybe 9th or 10th grade, we had a math teacher that
    decided we should have some exposure to the "new math"... but at least
    he was careful to keep from confusing us with it... and it became more
    of another math tool for us....
    As an additional tool probably would have been fine for me but
    apparently my "new math" was a replacement and undermined what I had learned with the "old math". Anyway, the good news is I generally
    catch math errors: doing my beginning of the month payments. Either mis-keyed or mis-remembered an entry and when I listed the running
    total in my credit card journal thought "that's not right". Check: the entry was wrong.

    It's good to have a mental check running in the background to catch when
    things don't make sense... ;)

    I don't remember what the differences are but do know it confused me
    and while I was decent with the Old Math the 'conversion' broke the
    rules and I never quite unscrambled them. Can do math manually, and
    do, just certain number combinations seem to not quite click.
    As I recall, it was adding into the mix things like algebra and
    geometry, but not calling them that, just throwing in the concepts
    that were supposed to help one understand how adding and subtracting
    and multiplying and dividing related to each other.... for some it was
    just another layer of MISunderstanding.... What comes to mind for me
    is a partly remembered Tom Lehrer song about the "New-ew-ew Math", a
    very humorous take on the confusions it generated in young (and not
    so young) minds about math....
    I must have been one of those confused characters in the song! I did
    do fairly well in algebra, etc. Didn't take too much 'advanced' math
    as didn't need to go that deep/'complex'.

    I eventually went as far as DiffEQ (Differential Equations, but we'd
    also call them difficult equations) in college after a few quarters of calculus... but then at the time I was a chemistry and then a physics
    major.... Didn't stay with either one, though....

    OTOH have also used the calculator and realized the answer displayed
    doesn't seem right so there is some sort of mental calculating going on.
    Which is what my Physics professor Daddy used to refer to as the common
    sense factor.... paying attention to whether or not the calculator's
    answer made any sense.... did you forget a decimal point, or add one
    too early...? Or did you transpose numbers while inputting them...?
    I always do it both ways, whichever I do first... and use the one to
    check the other... and if they don't agree, do them both again to
    find where the glitch is.... :)
    Your father had a good name for the process! Just because a machine
    says so, or even someone else, doesn't absolutely mean it's correct/truthful.

    Exactly... :)

    ... Math problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x]
    Speaking of the new-ew-ew math... <G>
    Do the innermost set first.... And if takes too long just call
    Directory Assistance!

    But there's those letters, and that sin(e) of something.... even the
    calculator can't handle all of that... <G>

    ... Of people born in 1839, 100% who ate carrots are dead!
    That seems proof enough carrots are bad for you!!

    Faulty reasoning, just like one might do with the below.... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... 100% of people who breathe die.

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Apr 11 09:14:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    only two numbers, I can generally do six or so figures still... lined
    up vertically is also important... :) For those long columns of
    numbers, I'll do it all pencil and paper, and then check my sum with
    the calculator.... I figure it's good mental exercise to do as much as
    possible manually... :)
    It is, and I'll admit to reaching for the calculator too often: more
    out of uncertainty. When going through school they started me with the
    "Old Math" and then switch to the "New Math".
    When I was in maybe 9th or 10th grade, we had a math teacher that
    decided we should have some exposure to the "new math"... but at least
    he was careful to keep from confusing us with it... and it became more
    of another math tool for us....
    As an additional tool probably would have been fine for me but
    apparently my "new math" was a replacement and undermined what I had learned with the "old math". Anyway, the good news is I generally
    catch math errors: doing my beginning of the month payments. Either mis-keyed or mis-remembered an entry and when I listed the running
    total in my credit card journal thought "that's not right". Check: the entry was wrong.
    It's good to have a mental check running in the background to
    catch when things don't make sense... ;)

    True! Saves problems later!


    I don't remember what the differences are but do know it confused me
    and while I was decent with the Old Math the 'conversion' broke the
    rules and I never quite unscrambled them. Can do math manually, and
    do, just certain number combinations seem to not quite click.
    As I recall, it was adding into the mix things like algebra and
    geometry, but not calling them that, just throwing in the concepts
    that were supposed to help one understand how adding and subtracting
    and multiplying and dividing related to each other.... for some it was
    just another layer of MISunderstanding.... What comes to mind for me
    is a partly remembered Tom Lehrer song about the "New-ew-ew Math", a
    very humorous take on the confusions it generated in young (and not
    so young) minds about math....
    I must have been one of those confused characters in the song! I did
    do fairly well in algebra, etc. Didn't take too much 'advanced' math
    as didn't need to go that deep/'complex'.
    I eventually went as far as DiffEQ (Differential Equations, but
    we'd also call them difficult equations) in college after a few
    quarters of calculus... but then at the time I was a chemistry
    and then a physics major.... Didn't stay with either one,
    though....

    Chemistry and Physics use a lot of math; research can too, just plotting
    out can get mathemetically complex. ...I'm getting into an area I know nothing about so coming out with Mr. Obvious type replies.


    OTOH have also used the calculator and realized the answer displayed
    doesn't seem right so there is some sort of mental calculating going on.
    Which is what my Physics professor Daddy used to refer to as the common
    sense factor.... paying attention to whether or not the calculator's
    answer made any sense.... did you forget a decimal point, or add one
    too early...? Or did you transpose numbers while inputting them...?
    I always do it both ways, whichever I do first... and use the one to
    check the other... and if they don't agree, do them both again to
    find where the glitch is.... :)
    Your father had a good name for the process! Just because a machine
    says so, or even someone else, doesn't absolutely mean it's correct/truthful.
    Exactly... :)

    Some things are very yes/no, true/false, work/won't work and no matter
    how much one tries to get around won't alter. Other the premise is
    wrong but has been accepted as true and can be so can 'altered' --
    really is the first one, just had the wrong information.


    ... Math problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x]
    Speaking of the new-ew-ew math... <G>
    Do the innermost set first.... And if takes too long just call
    Directory Assistance!
    But there's those letters, and that sin(e) of something.... even
    the calculator can't handle all of that... <G>

    I have a calculator which indicates it can, or at least some of it. I
    have no idea how to operate that portion of it; I bought the calculator
    because it had a 'rubout' key so instead of erasing the entire entry I
    could delete just the erroneous button-push.


    ... Of people born in 1839, 100% who ate carrots are dead!
    That seems proof enough carrots are bad for you!!
    Faulty reasoning, just like one might do with the below.... ;)
    ... 100% of people who breathe die.

    Stop breathing and save yourself!!


    Barry_Martin_3@
    @Q.COM



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Apr 22 17:59:56 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 11-Apr-2020 09:14 <=-

    When I was in maybe 9th or 10th grade, we had a math teacher that
    decided we should have some exposure to the "new math"... but at least
    he was careful to keep from confusing us with it... and it became more
    of another math tool for us....
    As an additional tool probably would have been fine for me but
    apparently my "new math" was a replacement and undermined what I had
    learned with the "old math". Anyway, the good news is I generally
    catch math errors: doing my beginning of the month payments. Either
    mis-keyed or mis-remembered an entry and when I listed the running
    total in my credit card journal thought "that's not right". Check: the
    entry was wrong.
    It's good to have a mental check running in the background to catch
    when things don't make sense... ;)
    True! Saves problems later!

    Exactly... :)

    I don't remember what the differences are but do know it confused me
    and while I was decent with the Old Math the 'conversion' broke the
    rules and I never quite unscrambled them. Can do math manually, and
    do, just certain number combinations seem to not quite click.
    As I recall, it was adding into the mix things like algebra and
    geometry, but not calling them that, just throwing in the concepts
    that were supposed to help one understand how adding and subtracting
    and multiplying and dividing related to each other.... for some it was
    just another layer of MISunderstanding.... What comes to mind for me
    is a partly remembered Tom Lehrer song about the "New-ew-ew Math", a
    very humorous take on the confusions it generated in young (and not
    so young) minds about math....
    I must have been one of those confused characters in the song! I did
    do fairly well in algebra, etc. Didn't take too much 'advanced' math
    as didn't need to go that deep/'complex'.
    I eventually went as far as DiffEQ (Differential Equations, but we'd
    also call them difficult equations) in college after a few quarters
    of calculus... but then at the time I was a chemistry and then a
    physics major.... Didn't stay with either one, though....
    Chemistry and Physics use a lot of math; research can too, just
    plotting out can get mathemetically complex. ...I'm getting into an
    area I know nothing about so coming out with Mr. Obvious type replies.

    That's ok... math ends up being useful no matter what one ends up doing,
    the higher math mostly useful for the sciences... As I said, I ended up
    not really staying in the physical sciences, but got into the social sciences... :)

    OTOH have also used the calculator and realized the answer displayed
    doesn't seem right so there is some sort of mental calculating going on.
    Which is what my Physics professor Daddy used to refer to as the common
    sense factor.... paying attention to whether or not the calculator's
    answer made any sense.... did you forget a decimal point, or add one
    too early...? Or did you transpose numbers while inputting them...?
    I always do it both ways, whichever I do first... and use the one to
    check the other... and if they don't agree, do them both again to
    find where the glitch is.... :)
    Your father had a good name for the process! Just because a machine
    says so, or even someone else, doesn't absolutely mean it's
    correct/truthful.
    Exactly... :)
    Some things are very yes/no, true/false, work/won't work and no matter
    how much one tries to get around won't alter. Other the premise is
    wrong but has been accepted as true and can be so can 'altered' --
    really is the first one, just had the wrong information.

    Basic math is very much yes/no.... when one gets into the logic levels
    of math and sciences, there's more of the how you get there can make a difference.... and there might be more than one way... And when one is
    dealing with people instead of math and science, there's a lot more
    factors, and a lot more of the shades of white/grey/black.... :)

    ... Math problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x]
    Speaking of the new-ew-ew math... <G>
    Do the innermost set first.... And if takes too long just call
    Directory Assistance!
    But there's those letters, and that sin(e) of something.... even
    the calculator can't handle all of that... <G>
    I have a calculator which indicates it can, or at least some of it. I have no idea how to operate that portion of it; I bought the
    calculator because it had a 'rubout' key so instead of erasing the
    entire entry I could delete just the erroneous button-push.

    One still has to know how to solve for x, y, and z.... :)

    ... Of people born in 1839, 100% who ate carrots are dead!
    That seems proof enough carrots are bad for you!!
    Faulty reasoning, just like one might do with the below.... ;)
    ... 100% of people who breathe die.
    Stop breathing and save yourself!!

    But when one stops breathing one does die... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Apr 23 10:33:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I eventually went as far as DiffEQ (Differential Equations, but we'd
    also call them difficult equations) in college after a few quarters
    of calculus... but then at the time I was a chemistry and then a
    physics major.... Didn't stay with either one, though....
    Chemistry and Physics use a lot of math; research can too, just
    plotting out can get mathemetically complex. ...I'm getting into an
    area I know nothing about so coming out with Mr. Obvious type replies.
    That's ok... math ends up being useful no matter what one ends up
    doing, the higher math mostly useful for the sciences... As I
    said, I ended up not really staying in the physical sciences, but
    got into the social sciences... :)

    "Broadens your horizons". :) I don't have much use for math beyond the basics, but the puzzle solving aspect of Algebra has probably helped my
    figure out some things in Real Life: sort of discover a pattern (the
    'plus x' portion of the equation). As for application towards the
    social sciences. maybe is Brand X with the Buy 2, get $1.50 off
    coupon.... <g>


    Some things are very yes/no, true/false, work/won't work and no matter
    how much one tries to get around won't alter. Other the premise is
    wrong but has been accepted as true and can be so can 'altered' --
    really is the first one, just had the wrong information.
    Basic math is very much yes/no.... when one gets into the logic
    levels of math and sciences, there's more of the how you get
    there can make a difference.... and there might be more than one
    way... And when one is dealing with people instead of math and
    science, there's a lot more factors, and a lot more of the shades
    of white/grey/black.... :)

    People have a ton of variables built in! Makes things fun. :) Can be annoying to someone trying to figure out the science behind.




    ... Math problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x]
    Speaking of the new-ew-ew math... <G>
    Do the innermost set first.... And if takes too long just call
    Directory Assistance!
    But there's those letters, and that sin(e) of something.... even
    the calculator can't handle all of that... <G>
    I have a calculator which indicates it can, or at least some of it. I have no idea how to operate that portion of it; I bought the
    calculator because it had a 'rubout' key so instead of erasing the
    entire entry I could delete just the erroneous button-push.
    One still has to know how to solve for x, y, and z.... :)

    So that's what I did wrong: I was trying to figure a, b and c!!


    ... Of people born in 1839, 100% who ate carrots are dead!
    That seems proof enough carrots are bad for you!!
    Faulty reasoning, just like one might do with the below.... ;)
    ... 100% of people who breathe die.
    Stop breathing and save yourself!!
    But when one stops breathing one does die... ;)

    Use a respirator?



    ... I like stuffed animals. Oven baked with bread crumb stuffing.

    Hmm: previous message had one about eggs and chickens; wonder what the
    next message's will be?!



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri May 1 17:24:30 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 23-Apr-2020 10:33 <=-

    Chemistry and Physics use a lot of math; research can too, just
    plotting out can get mathemetically complex. ...I'm getting into an
    area I know nothing about so coming out with Mr. Obvious type replies.
    That's ok... math ends up being useful no matter what one ends up
    doing, the higher math mostly useful for the sciences... As I said,
    I ended up not really staying in the physical sciences, but got into
    the social sciences... :)
    "Broadens your horizons". :) I don't have much use for math beyond
    the basics, but the puzzle solving aspect of Algebra has probably
    helped my figure out some things in Real Life: sort of discover a
    pattern (the 'plus x' portion of the equation). As for application towards the social sciences. maybe is Brand X with the Buy 2, get $1.50 off coupon.... <g>

    Being able to think logically, as well as outside the box, are both
    useful skills.... ;)

    Some things are very yes/no, true/false, work/won't work and no matter
    how much one tries to get around won't alter. Other the premise is
    wrong but has been accepted as true and can be so can 'altered' --
    really is the first one, just had the wrong information.
    Basic math is very much yes/no.... when one gets into the logic levels
    of math and sciences, there's more of the how you get there can make a
    difference.... and there might be more than one way... And when one
    is dealing with people instead of math and science, there's a lot more
    factors, and a lot more of the shades of white/grey/black.... :)
    People have a ton of variables built in! Makes things fun. :) Can
    be annoying to someone trying to figure out the science behind.

    People just aren't that easy to quantify.... and trying to pigeonhole
    generally makes for wrong answers... ;)

    ... Math problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x]
    Speaking of the new-ew-ew math... <G>
    Do the innermost set first.... And if takes too long just call
    Directory Assistance!
    But there's those letters, and that sin(e) of something.... even
    the calculator can't handle all of that... <G>
    I have a calculator which indicates it can, or at least some of it. I
    have no idea how to operate that portion of it; I bought the
    calculator because it had a 'rubout' key so instead of erasing the
    entire entry I could delete just the erroneous button-push.
    One still has to know how to solve for x, y, and z.... :)
    So that's what I did wrong: I was trying to figure a, b and c!!

    Ummmm... those are just alternate names for the same thing... <G>

    ... Of people born in 1839, 100% who ate carrots are dead!
    That seems proof enough carrots are bad for you!!
    Faulty reasoning, just like one might do with the below.... ;)
    ... 100% of people who breathe die.
    Stop breathing and save yourself!!
    But when one stops breathing one does die... ;)
    Use a respirator?

    That only works for a while.... eventually one still dies...

    ... I like stuffed animals. Oven baked with bread crumb stuffing.
    Hmm: previous message had one about eggs and chickens; wonder what the next message's will be?!

    As I almost recall, it probably had nothing at all to do with that train
    of thought (I'm pretty sure that those had been essentially random
    tags... [g]).... I do have a lot of food related tags, though...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat May 2 07:48:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    That's ok... math ends up being useful no matter what one ends up
    doing, the higher math mostly useful for the sciences... As I said,
    I ended up not really staying in the physical sciences, but got into
    the social sciences... :)
    "Broadens your horizons". :) I don't have much use for math beyond
    the basics, but the puzzle solving aspect of Algebra has probably
    helped my figure out some things in Real Life: sort of discover a
    pattern (the 'plus x' portion of the equation). As for application towards the social sciences. maybe is Brand X with the Buy 2, get $1.50 off coupon.... <g>
    Being able to think logically, as well as outside the box, are
    both useful skills.... ;)

    And some times be to think in a logial true/false manner, other times to
    not be constrained by all the rules.


    Some things are very yes/no, true/false, work/won't work and no matter
    how much one tries to get around won't alter. Other the premise is
    wrong but has been accepted as true and can be so can 'altered' --
    really is the first one, just had the wrong information.
    Basic math is very much yes/no.... when one gets into the logic levels
    of math and sciences, there's more of the how you get there can make a
    difference.... and there might be more than one way... And when one
    is dealing with people instead of math and science, there's a lot more
    factors, and a lot more of the shades of white/grey/black.... :)
    People have a ton of variables built in! Makes things fun. :) Can
    be annoying to someone trying to figure out the science behind.
    People just aren't that easy to quantify.... and trying to
    pigeonhole generally makes for wrong answers... ;)

    Right: they can't even quantify themselves: what was liked yesterday
    maybe 'egh!' today. What was he right amount of food yesterday was too
    much today. Simple examples, and barely touching quantification, but
    we get the idea.


    ... Math problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x]
    Speaking of the new-ew-ew math... <G>
    Do the innermost set first.... And if takes too long just call
    Directory Assistance!
    But there's those letters, and that sin(e) of something.... even
    the calculator can't handle all of that... <G>
    I have a calculator which indicates it can, or at least some of it. I
    have no idea how to operate that portion of it; I bought the
    calculator because it had a 'rubout' key so instead of erasing the
    entire entry I could delete just the erroneous button-push.
    One still has to know how to solve for x, y, and z.... :)
    So that's what I did wrong: I was trying to figure a, b and c!!
    Ummmm... those are just alternate names for the same thing... <G>

    No wonder I was confused!!


    ... Of people born in 1839, 100% who ate carrots are dead!
    That seems proof enough carrots are bad for you!!
    Faulty reasoning, just like one might do with the below.... ;)
    ... 100% of people who breathe die.
    Stop breathing and save yourself!!
    But when one stops breathing one does die... ;)
    Use a respirator?
    That only works for a while.... eventually one still dies...

    As do all things.


    ... I like stuffed animals. Oven baked with bread crumb stuffing.
    Hmm: previous message had one about eggs and chickens; wonder what the next message's will be?!
    As I almost recall, it probably had nothing at all to do with
    that train of thought (I'm pretty sure that those had been
    essentially random tags... [g]).... I do have a lot of food
    related tags, though...

    Hmm: really short ones could be 'snack tags'!



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu May 7 22:23:28 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 02-May-2020 07:48 <=-

    That's ok... math ends up being useful no matter what one ends up
    doing, the higher math mostly useful for the sciences... As I said,
    I ended up not really staying in the physical sciences, but got into
    the social sciences... :)
    "Broadens your horizons". :) I don't have much use for math beyond
    the basics, but the puzzle solving aspect of Algebra has probably
    helped my figure out some things in Real Life: sort of discover a
    pattern (the 'plus x' portion of the equation). As for application
    towards the social sciences. maybe is Brand X with the Buy 2, get $1.50
    off coupon.... <g>
    Being able to think logically, as well as outside the box, are both
    useful skills.... ;)
    And some times be able to think in a logical true/false manner, other times to not be constrained by all the rules.

    Generally depends on the actual situation at hand, which is most
    useful... :)

    Some things are very yes/no, true/false, work/won't work and no matter
    how much one tries to get around won't alter. Other the premise is
    wrong but has been accepted as true and can be so can 'altered' --
    really is the first one, just had the wrong information.
    Basic math is very much yes/no.... when one gets into the logic levels
    of math and sciences, there's more of the how you get there can make a
    difference.... and there might be more than one way... And when one
    is dealing with people instead of math and science, there's a lot more
    factors, and a lot more of the shades of white/grey/black.... :)
    People have a ton of variables built in! Makes things fun. :) Can
    be annoying to someone trying to figure out the science behind.
    People just aren't that easy to quantify.... and trying to pigeonhole
    generally makes for wrong answers... ;)
    Right: they can't even quantify themselves: what was liked yesterday
    maybe 'egh!' today. What was the right amount of food yesterday was
    too much today. Simple examples, and barely touching quantification,
    but we get the idea.

    Exactly... :)

    ... Of people born in 1839, 100% who ate carrots are dead!
    That seems proof enough carrots are bad for you!!
    Faulty reasoning, just like one might do with the below.... ;)
    ... 100% of people who breathe die.
    Stop breathing and save yourself!!
    But when one stops breathing one does die... ;)
    Use a respirator?
    That only works for a while.... eventually one still dies...
    As do all things.

    Yup.

    ... I like stuffed animals. Oven baked with bread crumb stuffing.
    Hmm: previous message had one about eggs and chickens; wonder what the
    next message's will be?!
    As I almost recall, it probably had nothing at all to do with that
    train of thought (I'm pretty sure that those had been essentially
    random tags [g]).... I do have a lot of food related tags, though...
    Hmm: really short ones could be 'snack tags'!

    Maybe.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri May 8 09:32:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    That's ok... math ends up being useful no matter what one ends up
    doing, the higher math mostly useful for the sciences... As I said,
    I ended up not really staying in the physical sciences, but got into
    the social sciences... :)
    "Broadens your horizons". :) I don't have much use for math beyond
    the basics, but the puzzle solving aspect of Algebra has probably
    helped my figure out some things in Real Life: sort of discover a
    pattern (the 'plus x' portion of the equation). As for application
    towards the social sciences. maybe is Brand X with the Buy 2, get $1.50
    off coupon.... <g>
    Being able to think logically, as well as outside the box, are both
    useful skills.... ;)
    And some times be able to think in a logical true/false manner, other times to not be constrained by all the rules.
    Generally depends on the actual situation at hand, which is most
    useful... :)

    Yes. Thinking outside the box is sometimes helpful to break through
    the 'barriers' -- the barriers are only barriers because we think they
    are barriers. At other times the barriers are artificial yet real at
    the same time: I would love to replace the tree that died in the back
    yard for shade but it's going to take twenty years to grow that big.



    ... Of people born in 1839, 100% who ate carrots are dead!
    That seems proof enough carrots are bad for you!!
    Faulty reasoning, just like one might do with the below.... ;)
    ... 100% of people who breathe die.
    Stop breathing and save yourself!!
    But when one stops breathing one does die... ;)
    Use a respirator?
    That only works for a while.... eventually one still dies...
    As do all things.
    Yup.

    Death is a requirment but preferable to think for living.




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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri May 15 18:02:24 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 08-May-2020 09:32 <=-

    Being able to think logically, as well as outside the box, are both
    useful skills.... ;)
    And some times be able to think in a logical true/false manner, other
    times to not be constrained by all the rules.
    Generally depends on the actual situation at hand, which is most
    useful... :)
    Yes. Thinking outside the box is sometimes helpful to break through
    the 'barriers' -- the barriers are only barriers because we think they
    are barriers. At other times the barriers are artificial yet real at
    the same time: I would love to replace the tree that died in the back
    yard for shade but it's going to take twenty years to grow that big.

    As for that, there are some shade trees that grow fairly quickly...
    might not take twenty years to get a decent replacement, just not the
    same type of tree... :)

    ... Of people born in 1839, 100% who ate carrots are dead!
    That seems proof enough carrots are bad for you!!
    Faulty reasoning, just like one might do with the below.... ;)
    ... 100% of people who breathe die.
    Stop breathing and save yourself!!
    But when one stops breathing one does die... ;)
    Use a respirator?
    That only works for a while.... eventually one still dies...
    As do all things.
    Yup.
    Death is a requirement but preferable to think for living.

    After all, living is where one can think... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat May 16 08:25:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Being able to think logically, as well as outside the box, are both
    useful skills.... ;)
    And some times be able to think in a logical true/false manner, other
    times to not be constrained by all the rules.
    Generally depends on the actual situation at hand, which is most
    useful... :)
    Yes. Thinking outside the box is sometimes helpful to break through
    the 'barriers' -- the barriers are only barriers because we think they
    are barriers. At other times the barriers are artificial yet real at
    the same time: I would love to replace the tree that died in the back
    yard for shade but it's going to take twenty years to grow that big.
    As for that, there are some shade trees that grow fairly
    quickly... might not take twenty years to get a decent
    replacement, just not the same type of tree... :)

    Yes, there are some fast-growing trees. When the maple tree died one of
    the considerations was replacing with two trees: one a sturdy hardwood
    which would take ages to grow and the other a fast-growing softwood to substitute for a while and then be removed. Problem was not enough room
    for two trees to properly grow. the fast-growing tree still isn't fast
    enough growing. Ended up nothing replaced, even though I semi-sneakily allowed some of the seedlings to remain when I was weeding. They got
    plucked. (There's an area of shrubs, ground cover, some flowers, etc.,
    in the section as around the tree the grass didn't grow all that well.)



    ... Of people born in 1839, 100% who ate carrots are dead!
    That seems proof enough carrots are bad for you!!
    Faulty reasoning, just like one might do with the below.... ;)
    ... 100% of people who breathe die.
    Stop breathing and save yourself!!
    But when one stops breathing one does die... ;)
    Use a respirator?
    That only works for a while.... eventually one still dies...
    As do all things.
    Yup.
    Death is a requirement but preferable to think for living.
    After all, living is where one can think... ;)

    As long as one also does. :)




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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat May 30 23:50:54 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 16-May-2020 08:25 <=-

    Yes. Thinking outside the box is sometimes helpful to break through
    the 'barriers' -- the barriers are only barriers because we think they
    are barriers. At other times the barriers are artificial yet real at
    the same time: I would love to replace the tree that died in the back
    yard for shade but it's going to take twenty years to grow that big.
    As for that, there are some shade trees that grow fairly quickly...
    might not take twenty years to get a decent replacement, just not
    the same type of tree... :)
    Yes, there are some fast-growing trees. When the maple tree died one
    of the considerations was replacing with two trees: one a sturdy
    hardwood which would take ages to grow and the other a fast-growing softwood to substitute for a while and then be removed. Problem was
    not enough room for two trees to properly grow. the fast-growing tree still isn't fast enough growing.

    I was thinking of some variety of locust tree... They give leafy shade
    and do grow quickly... But then you'd probably not be planting another
    maple with it...

    Ended up nothing replaced, even though I semi-sneakily allowed some of
    the seedlings to remain when I was weeding. They got plucked. (There's an area of shrubs, ground cover, some flowers, etc., in the section as around the tree the grass didn't grow all that well.)

    I guess you would have had to be more purposeful about leaving the
    seedlings there... and put guards around them to show it... ;)

    ... What kind of fuel do search engines use?

    Virtual fuel...??

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun May 31 07:40:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Yes. Thinking outside the box is sometimes helpful to break through
    the 'barriers' -- the barriers are only barriers because we think they
    are barriers. At other times the barriers are artificial yet real at
    the same time: I would love to replace the tree that died in the back
    yard for shade but it's going to take twenty years to grow that big.
    As for that, there are some shade trees that grow fairly quickly...
    might not take twenty years to get a decent replacement, just not
    the same type of tree... :)
    Yes, there are some fast-growing trees. When the maple tree died one
    of the considerations was replacing with two trees: one a sturdy
    hardwood which would take ages to grow and the other a fast-growing softwood to substitute for a while and then be removed. Problem was
    not enough room for two trees to properly grow. the fast-growing tree still isn't fast enough growing.
    I was thinking of some variety of locust tree... They give leafy
    shade and do grow quickly... But then you'd probably not be
    planting another maple with it...

    We hadn't gone as far as specific types of trees but did come to the conclusion it wasn't going to work here: mostly insufficient room and
    that was also going to cause a problem with at least one of the trees
    'growing funny' ==> shade cast by one would cause the other to grow
    'funny',


    Ended up nothing replaced, even though I semi-sneakily allowed some of
    the seedlings to remain when I was weeding. They got plucked. (There's an area of shrubs, ground cover, some flowers, etc., in the section as around the tree the grass didn't grow all that well.)
    I guess you would have had to be more purposeful about leaving
    the seedlings there... and put guards around them to show it...
    ;)

    Oh, there was no mistaking they were there.



    ... What kind of fuel do search engines use?
    Virtual fuel...??

    I'll have to look into it!



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Jun 6 18:28:42 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 31-May-2020 07:40 <=-

    I would love to replace the tree that died in the back
    yard for shade but it's going to take twenty years to grow that big.
    As for that, there are some shade trees that grow fairly quickly...
    might not take twenty years to get a decent replacement, just not
    the same type of tree... :)
    Yes, there are some fast-growing trees. When the maple tree died one
    of the considerations was replacing with two trees: one a sturdy
    hardwood which would take ages to grow and the other a fast-growing
    softwood to substitute for a while and then be removed. Problem was
    not enough room for two trees to properly grow. the fast-growing tree
    still isn't fast enough growing.
    I was thinking of some variety of locust tree... They give leafy shade
    and do grow quickly... But then you'd probably not be planting another
    maple with it...
    We hadn't gone as far as specific types of trees but did come to the conclusion it wasn't going to work here: mostly insufficient room and
    that was also going to cause a problem with at least one of the trees 'growing funny' ==> shade cast by one would cause the other to grow 'funny',

    Then I suppose that you'd have to choose between planting for the future generations, or planting for shade soon...

    Ended up nothing replaced, even though I semi-sneakily allowed some of
    the seedlings to remain when I was weeding. They got plucked. (There's
    an area of shrubs, ground cover, some flowers, etc., in the section as
    around the tree the grass didn't grow all that well.)
    I guess you would have had to be more purposeful about leaving the
    seedlings there... and put guards around them to show it... ;)
    Oh, there was no mistaking they were there.

    But apparently one could mistake the intent to KEEP them there... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jun 7 10:13:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I would love to replace the tree that died in the back
    yard for shade but it's going to take twenty years to grow that big.
    As for that, there are some shade trees that grow fairly quickly...
    might not take twenty years to get a decent replacement, just not
    the same type of tree... :)
    Yes, there are some fast-growing trees. When the maple tree died one
    of the considerations was replacing with two trees: one a sturdy
    hardwood which would take ages to grow and the other a fast-growing
    softwood to substitute for a while and then be removed. Problem was
    not enough room for two trees to properly grow. the fast-growing tree
    still isn't fast enough growing.
    I was thinking of some variety of locust tree... They give leafy shade
    and do grow quickly... But then you'd probably not be planting another
    maple with it...
    We hadn't gone as far as specific types of trees but did come to the conclusion it wasn't going to work here: mostly insufficient room and
    that was also going to cause a problem with at least one of the trees 'growing funny' ==> shade cast by one would cause the other to grow 'funny',
    Then I suppose that you'd have to choose between planting for the
    future generations, or planting for shade soon...

    I'll admit to being a little self-centered and would be planting more
    for me, though some consideration for the future: it would be a sturdy
    type of tree, so more hardwood than soft, and one that stands up to
    storms and winds.

    The shade consideration is an interesting one: the tree while quite
    large provised very little shading of the house. Probably was mostly positioning while that could be corrected at planting of the new tree
    then creates another problem as would be growing into the utility lines.
    Here the telephone, cable, fiber optic and electric lines are run along telephone poles in the back yard where an alley would have been but they
    never built.


    Ended up nothing replaced, even though I semi-sneakily allowed some of
    the seedlings to remain when I was weeding. They got plucked. (There's
    an area of shrubs, ground cover, some flowers, etc., in the section as
    around the tree the grass didn't grow all that well.)
    I guess you would have had to be more purposeful about leaving the
    seedlings there... and put guards around them to show it... ;)
    Oh, there was no mistaking they were there.
    But apparently one could mistake the intent to KEEP them there...
    ;)

    True: they were well-seen above the groundcover.



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue Jun 16 16:30:58 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 07-Jun-2020 10:13 <=-

    I was thinking of some variety of locust tree... They give leafy shade
    and do grow quickly... But then you'd probably not be planting another
    maple with it...
    We hadn't gone as far as specific types of trees but did come to the
    conclusion it wasn't going to work here: mostly insufficient room and
    that was also going to cause a problem with at least one of the trees
    'growing funny' ==> shade cast by one would cause the other to grow
    'funny',
    Then I suppose that you'd have to choose between planting for the
    future generations, or planting for shade soon...
    I'll admit to being a little self-centered and would be planting more
    for me, though some consideration for the future: it would be a sturdy type of tree, so more hardwood than soft, and one that stands up to
    storms and winds.

    And the sooner you do plant it, the sooner there will be any benefit from
    it, whether short-term or long-term.... ;)

    The shade consideration is an interesting one: the tree while quite
    large provided very little shading of the house. Probably was mostly positioning while that could be corrected at planting of the new tree
    then creates another problem as would be growing into the utility
    lines. Here the telephone, cable, fiber optic and electric lines are
    run along telephone poles in the back yard where an alley would have
    been but they never built.

    And then they cross the back yard from the runs to connect into your
    house.... No alley even planned for here, but still the lines run along
    the back lot lines, with the secondary lines coming in diagonally from
    the poles to the backs of the houses...

    Ended up nothing replaced, even though I semi-sneakily allowed some of
    the seedlings to remain when I was weeding. They got plucked. (There's
    an area of shrubs, ground cover, some flowers, etc., in the section as
    around the tree the grass didn't grow all that well.)
    I guess you would have had to be more purposeful about leaving the
    seedlings there... and put guards around them to show it... ;)
    Oh, there was no mistaking they were there.
    But apparently one could mistake the intent to KEEP them there... ;)
    True: they were well-seen above the groundcover.

    So one would have to tell the "weedpuller" not to pull those, since they
    were intentional... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed Jun 17 08:11:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I was thinking of some variety of locust tree... They give leafy shade
    and do grow quickly... But then you'd probably not be planting another
    maple with it...
    We hadn't gone as far as specific types of trees but did come to the
    conclusion it wasn't going to work here: mostly insufficient room and
    that was also going to cause a problem with at least one of the trees
    'growing funny' ==> shade cast by one would cause the other to grow
    'funny',
    Then I suppose that you'd have to choose between planting for the
    future generations, or planting for shade soon...
    I'll admit to being a little self-centered and would be planting more
    for me, though some consideration for the future: it would be a sturdy type of tree, so more hardwood than soft, and one that stands up to
    storms and winds.
    And the sooner you do plant it, the sooner there will be any
    benefit from it, whether short-term or long-term.... ;)

    Oddly enough true! <g>


    The shade consideration is an interesting one: the tree while quite
    large provided very little shading of the house. Probably was mostly positioning while that could be corrected at planting of the new tree
    then creates another problem as would be growing into the utility
    lines. Here the telephone, cable, fiber optic and electric lines are
    run along telephone poles in the back yard where an alley would have
    been but they never built.
    And then they cross the back yard from the runs to connect into
    your house.... No alley even planned for here, but still the
    lines run along the back lot lines, with the secondary lines
    coming in diagonally from the poles to the backs of the houses...

    Right. Actually kind of nice to have the street free of poles sticking
    out of the ground; in the back yard they somewhat blend in with the
    trees.



    Ended up nothing replaced, even though I semi-sneakily allowed some of
    the seedlings to remain when I was weeding. They got plucked.
    (There's BM>>> an area of shrubs, ground cover, some flowers,
    etc., in the section as BM>>> around the tree the grass didn't
    grow all that well.)
    I guess you would have had to be more purposeful about leaving the
    seedlings there... and put guards around them to show it... ;)
    Oh, there was no mistaking they were there.
    But apparently one could mistake the intent to KEEP them there... ;)
    True: they were well-seen above the groundcover.
    So one would have to tell the "weedpuller" not to pull those,
    since they were intentional... <G>

    Semi-said they were for replacement; wasn't going to keep them all --
    maybe four or five were kept and the half-idea was to let them grow to
    see how healthy, potential shape, positioning, then select one. "No!"
    and with an evil gleam in the eye - <yank>! <faux whimper>




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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Jun 6 18:28:42 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 31-May-2020 07:40 <=-

    I would love to replace the tree that died in the back
    yard for shade but it's going to take twenty years to grow that big.
    As for that, there are some shade trees that grow fairly quickly...
    might not take twenty years to get a decent replacement, just not
    the same type of tree... :)
    Yes, there are some fast-growing trees. When the maple tree died one
    of the considerations was replacing with two trees: one a sturdy
    hardwood which would take ages to grow and the other a fast-growing
    softwood to substitute for a while and then be removed. Problem was
    not enough room for two trees to properly grow. the fast-growing tree
    still isn't fast enough growing.
    I was thinking of some variety of locust tree... They give leafy shade
    and do grow quickly... But then you'd probably not be planting another
    maple with it...
    We hadn't gone as far as specific types of trees but did come to the conclusion it wasn't going to work here: mostly insufficient room and
    that was also going to cause a problem with at least one of the trees 'growing funny' ==> shade cast by one would cause the other to grow 'funny',

    Then I suppose that you'd have to choose between planting for the future generations, or planting for shade soon...

    Ended up nothing replaced, even though I semi-sneakily allowed some of
    the seedlings to remain when I was weeding. They got plucked. (There's
    an area of shrubs, ground cover, some flowers, etc., in the section as
    around the tree the grass didn't grow all that well.)
    I guess you would have had to be more purposeful about leaving the
    seedlings there... and put guards around them to show it... ;)
    Oh, there was no mistaking they were there.

    But apparently one could mistake the intent to KEEP them there... ;)

    ttyl neb

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