Nancy,

Not being a square dancer myself, I don't really have much of an idea
how well or poorly it might be doing here.... I do know there is some NB>activity here, as I know a few people that are into square dancing... In NB>fact, a friend of mine just reconnected with an old friend of his at NB>one... less than a year later, they are now married... and, I think, NB>still going out to the dances....

Practically, ALL hobbies are suffering. The young people nowadays are
so glued to their tablets and smartphones, that they don't give a rats
rear end about the history, current state, or future of [insert hobby
here].

That will keep you busy.... ;)

I may soon take over an FTN message network...but the "retiring
Network Coordinator" has to get with me on the setup, and switching
things over.

I know of quite a few that have no traffic lights at all... :)

I would hope they have stop signs. :P As I recall, you never saw a
traffic light in "Green Acres" or "Petticoat Junction", with the town of Hooterville.

But anyone who lives there doesn't have any problems with it... ;) They NB>know what's meant by the signs and all.... :)

But, they don't consider those coming to visit.

That could be helpful.... :) Especially if they check the website for NB>the location info... :)

Unfortunately, some rural areas in Arkansas have no internet at all.
Some areas that do only have "dial-up", or are in "cellphone fringe
areas". Others don't have, can't get, or don't want, a computer or
internet access.

One really needs to know not to trust the GPS implicitly... One does NB>need to check the directions against reality... <G>

I was on my way back from a special event amateur radio station aboard
a moving excursion train in northwest Arkansas, with a fellow ham radio operator (who did the video for YouTube, and did the driving). When we
decided to stop in the community of Conway, about 35 miles northwest of
Little Rock, the GPS female voice growled "Error!! Recalculating!!". I
told him "Oh, now, you've made her mad!!". We both busted out laughing.
<G> But, we wanted to stop and stretch our legs a bit.

(stories snipped) Ok, so everyone has a sense of humor... which NB>contributes to the general air of merriment... :)

For a few hours, you forget about all the crap in the world and in
your life.

Good planning... :)

But, I need a calendar on the smartphone and computer, or I won't
remember appointments.

I don't digest lettuce of any sort very well... not so much the fiber, I NB>don't think... just it doesn't sit well, and burps back, like most other NB>raw veggies... I do better with cooked ones... :)

I understand that radishes are good for belching. :P

Daryl

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Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 02-Feb-2020 00:31 <=-

Not being a square dancer myself, I don't really have much of an idea
how well or poorly it might be doing here.... I do know there is some
activity here, as I know a few people that are into square dancing...
In fact, a friend of mine just reconnected with an old friend of his
at one... less than a year later, they are now married... and, I
think, still going out to the dances....

Practically, ALL hobbies are suffering. The young people nowadays
are so glued to their tablets and smartphones, that they don't give a
rats rear end about the history, current state, or future of [insert
hobby here].

There's a lot of kids like that, true... but there are some that are
interested in various hobbies... they just aren't quite as much in
evidence.... ;)

That will keep you busy.... ;)

I may soon take over an FTN message network...but the "retiring
Network Coordinator" has to get with me on the setup, and switching
things over.

More to keep you busy, I see... ;)

I know of quite a few that have no traffic lights at all... :)

I would hope they have stop signs. :P As I recall, you never saw a
traffic light in "Green Acres" or "Petticoat Junction", with the town
of Hooterville.

True... and these places do have stop signs where necessary... and speed
limits where appropriate... ;)

But anyone who lives there doesn't have any problems with it... ;)
They know what's meant by the signs and all.... :)

But, they don't consider those coming to visit.

I suppose that's rarely much of an issue, though... Most vistors would
probably be kin... ;) Or returnees.... ;)

That could be helpful.... :) Especially if they check the website for
the location info... :)

Unfortunately, some rural areas in Arkansas have no internet at all.
Some areas that do only have "dial-up", or are in "cellphone fringe areas". Others don't have, can't get, or don't want, a computer or internet access.

Ok, then... it could be helpful to those who CAN check the website...
hopefully there are alternative ways to get the information for those
that can't or who don't even have a computer or smartphone...

One really needs to know not to trust the GPS implicitly... One does
need to check the directions against reality... <G>

I was on my way back from a special event amateur radio station
aboard a moving excursion train in northwest Arkansas, with a fellow
ham radio operator (who did the video for YouTube, and did the
driving). When we decided to stop in the community of Conway, about 35 miles northwest of Little Rock, the GPS female voice growled "Error!! Recalculating!!". I told him "Oh, now, you've made her mad!!". We both busted out laughing. <G> But, we wanted to stop and stretch our legs a bit.

Too bad there's no way to program that into the GPS... ;)

(stories snipped) Ok, so everyone has a sense of humor... which
contributes to the general air of merriment... :)

For a few hours, you forget about all the crap in the world and in
your life.

Which is indeed a good thing.... :)

I don't digest lettuce of any sort very well... not so much the fiber,
I don't think... just it doesn't sit well, and burps back, like most
other raw veggies... I do better with cooked ones... :)

I understand that radishes are good for belching. :P

Is that from personal experience....? ;)

ttyl neb

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Nancy,

There's a lot of kids like that, true... but there are some that are NB>interested in various hobbies... they just aren't quite as much in NB>evidence.... ;)

There was an article in the ham radio magazine I read, noting that
"the old timers need to embrace the new technologies". The 7 last words
of a church, hobby club, etc. are "We never did it that way before".

I may soon take over an FTN message network...but the "retiring
Network Coordinator" has to get with me on the setup, and switching things over.

More to keep you busy, I see... ;)

Well, I found out that the DixieNet message network is history, so I
have to zap that from the BBS.

I would hope they have stop signs. :P As I recall, you never saw a traffic light in "Green Acres" or "Petticoat Junction", with the town of Hooterville.

True... and these places do have stop signs where necessary... and speed NB>limits where appropriate... ;)

And, Mister Haney was the judge, jury, and ticket writer. <G>

I suppose that's rarely much of an issue, though... Most vistors would NB>probably be kin... ;) Or returnees.... ;)

You would hope so.

Ok, then... it could be helpful to those who CAN check the website... NB>hopefully there are alternative ways to get the information for those NB>that can't or who don't even have a computer or smartphone...

And, they don't want either one. The thing is, you can't live in the
past forever...the way technology is going. While I do believe in "if it
ain't broke, don't fix it", with all the modern conveniences today, we
wonder how we ever did without them.

Too bad there's no way to program that into the GPS... ;)

To me, GPS means Grand Posterior Seated. <G>

For a few hours, you forget about all the crap in the world and in
your life.

Which is indeed a good thing.... :)

And some of the folks, singles and couples, have a wicked sense of
humor. The funny part is that when we run into each other in the stores, outside of the dance hall, and they're not in square dance attire, and
we say "I didn't recognize you without your clothes on"...while people
in the next aisle are wondering "WTH??!!" <G>.

I understand that radishes are good for belching. :P

Is that from personal experience....? ;)

Actually, that was from a Tex Avery cartoon...an invention to remove
the belches from radishes before you eat them. <G>

I don't think that it could remove the flatulence from legumes, beans, cabbage, etc. -- it'd crush the item...never mind the stench.

Daryl


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Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 08-Feb-2020 23:03 <=-

There's a lot of kids like that, true... but there are some that are
interested in various hobbies... they just aren't quite as much in
evidence.... ;)

There was an article in the ham radio magazine I read, noting that
"the old timers need to embrace the new technologies". The 7 last
words of a church, hobby club, etc. are "We never did it that way
before".

And that is the other side of the decline...

I may soon take over an FTN message network...but the "retiring
Network Coordinator" has to get with me on the setup, and switching
things over.

More to keep you busy, I see... ;)

Well, I found out that the DixieNet message network is history, so I
have to zap that from the BBS.

Was that the FTN network you were going to take over as coordinator...?

I would hope they have stop signs. :P As I recall, you never saw a
traffic light in "Green Acres" or "Petticoat Junction", with the town
of Hooterville.

True... and these places do have stop signs where necessary... and
speed limits where appropriate... ;)

And, Mister Haney was the judge, jury, and ticket writer. <G>

Today's towns are generally patrolled by the county Sheriff office...

Ok, then... it could be helpful to those who CAN check the website...
hopefully there are alternative ways to get the information for those
that can't or who don't even have a computer or smartphone...

And, they don't want either one. The thing is, you can't live in the
past forever...the way technology is going. While I do believe in "if
it ain't broke, don't fix it", with all the modern conveniences today,
we wonder how we ever did without them.

For those that do go that way, maybe... In the meantime, there still is
the older technology, still valid, for instance the landline telephone
for communications... ;)

For a few hours, you forget about all the crap in the world and in
your life.

Which is indeed a good thing.... :)

And some of the folks, singles and couples, have a wicked sense of
humor. The funny part is that when we run into each other in the
stores, outside of the dance hall, and they're not in square dance
attire, and we say "I didn't recognize you without your clothes on"...while people in the next aisle are wondering "WTH??!!" <G>.

More of that wicked sense of humor, and different frame of context.... <G>

ttyl neb

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Nancy,

There was an article in the ham radio magazine I read, noting that
"the old timers need to embrace the new technologies". The 7 last
words of a church, hobby club, etc. are "We never did it that way before".

And that is the other side of the decline...

Sad, but true. Yet, so many feel like the changes are being forced on
them. But, you can't live in the past.

In one of my other hobbies (square dancing), there are some folks who
don't have, can't get, or don't want, a computer or internet access.
When I started the hobby 35 years ago, there were over 1200 print
subscribers. When I became Circulation Chairman (actually, I volunteered
<G>) 12 years ago, that had plunged to 450, but 10 percent of those were expired.

At the start of the Fall Festival Dance, we had plunged to 24. So, I
(and the other officers) made a big plea, saying that "if we don't get subscriptions or ads, the print edition will go away". We changed the
format to black and white only, printed on maybe 7 pieces of paper,
double sided, folded in half, and we pay the first class postage. It has
saved the organization considerable money.

They can list fliers for special dances in the e-Edition and on the
website for free, but have to pay to have something in the print
edition. We may soon reduce the cost of those, since it doesn't cost as
much as before with the postage and printing. Yet, I'll bet there'll be
some cheapskates who'll still say "that's too expensive". Robert
Heinlein was right when he said TANSTAFFL -- but few folks will admit to
it.

Right now, we have 58 print subscriptions...with a large majority
expiring in February and November...and maybe a half dozen in May and
August (the months will fill back in, as folks renew or sign up).
Several had renewed only because we went back to monthly...but if funds
start drying up, we'll go back to quarterly, or eliminate the print
version entirely.

Data wise, many clinics require you to enter data on an iPad, but I
still bring in an 11 page med list. I tell them "you'll rarely find a
medical history that thorough"...and they have to admit that I'm right.
My late wife got me started on that. She had each section in a different
color, but just "black and white" is good enough for me.

Was that the FTN network you were going to take over as coordinator...?

Well, I reconnected with DixieNet, and I'm still trying to find out
about GatorNet.

Today's towns are generally patrolled by the county Sheriff office...

If they're lucky, they have at least one stoplight. <G> But, like on
the episode of "I Dream Of Jeannie" the speed limit was in microscopic
small print at the bottom of the sign. :P

For those that do go that way, maybe... In the meantime, there still is NB>the older technology, still valid, for instance the landline telephone NB>for communications... ;)

True. I saw a cartoon with a rotary phone, and two small cellphones
walking into the room, and they say "Grandma!!" <G>

More of that wicked sense of humor, and different frame of context.... <G>

And, there's too little to laugh at in the world, nowadays.

Daryl


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Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 17-Feb-2020 17:33 <=-

There was an article in the ham radio magazine I read, noting that
"the old timers need to embrace the new technologies". The 7 last
words of a church, hobby club, etc. are "We never did it that way
before".

And that is the other side of the decline...

Sad, but true. Yet, so many feel like the changes are being forced
on them. But, you can't live in the past.

No, you can't live in the past, but one doesn't have to throw away all
the old ways either.... There needs to be a balance there...

In one of my other hobbies (square dancing), there are some folks
who don't have, can't get, or don't want, a computer or internet
access. When I started the hobby 35 years ago, there were over 1200
print subscribers. When I became Circulation Chairman (actually, I volunteered <G>) 12 years ago, that had plunged to 450, but 10 percent
of those were expired.
At the start of the Fall Festival Dance, we had plunged to 24. So, I
(and the other officers) made a big plea, saying that "if we don't get subscriptions or ads, the print edition will go away". We changed the format to black and white only, printed on maybe 7 pieces of paper,
double sided, folded in half, and we pay the first class postage. It
has saved the organization considerable money.

I suspect that has been happening in all sorts of organizations... One
of the genealogical societies I'm a member of, among the benefits is a quarterly scholarly journal and a newsletter (was 6/yr, now changing to quarterly also)... Starting last year, they started charging an extra
$10 a year for getting the newsletter in a print form instead in
email... Another genealogical society also has a quarterly journal and a nesletter... that one charges a lot more for membership than the first
one I mentioned... and probably has a larger membership as well...

They can list fliers for special dances in the e-Edition and on the website for free, but have to pay to have something in the print
edition. We may soon reduce the cost of those, since it doesn't cost
as much as before with the postage and printing. Yet, I'll bet there'll
be some cheapskates who'll still say "that's too expensive". Robert Heinlein was right when he said TANSTAFFL -- but few folks will admit
to it.
Right now, we have 58 print subscriptions...with a large majority
expiring in February and November...and maybe a half dozen in May and August (the months will fill back in, as folks renew or sign up).
Several had renewed only because we went back to monthly...but if
funds start drying up, we'll go back to quarterly, or eliminate the
print version entirely.

Maybe as the older generation dies off, and you are left with just the youngsters who were weaned on technology, you'll not need to have the
print version, but for those that aren't online, or those that have
limited computing, having a print version is vital for them to stay
connected to the organization....

Data wise, many clinics require you to enter data on an iPad, but I
still bring in an 11 page med list. I tell them "you'll rarely find a medical history that thorough"...and they have to admit that I'm
right. My late wife got me started on that. She had each section in a different color, but just "black and white" is good enough for me.

Mine isn't nearly that much, but I do have a one-page cheat sheet that
has the vital information on it.... saves the memory from overheating,
and can cut down on how much I have to enter at the doctor offices...

Today's towns are generally patrolled by the county Sheriff office...

If they're lucky, they have at least one stoplight. <G> But, like on
the episode of "I Dream Of Jeannie" the speed limit was in microscopic small print at the bottom of the sign. :P

There are a number of small towns in the vicinity of our camp up in
Northern New York.... no stoplights in most of them, but the speed
limits are the regulation size... no entrapment there, usually... There
are stop signs where needed, though... :)

For those that do go that way, maybe... In the meantime, there still is
the older technology, still valid, for instance the landline telephone
for communications... ;)

True. I saw a cartoon with a rotary phone, and two small cellphones walking into the room, and they say "Grandma!!" <G>

Cute.

ttyl neb

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Nancy,

No, you can't live in the past, but one doesn't have to throw away all NB>the old ways either.... There needs to be a balance there...

True...but all of us get stubborn and set in our ways, especially we
grow older.

I suspect that has been happening in all sorts of organizations... One
of the genealogical societies I'm a member of, among the benefits is a NB>quarterly scholarly journal and a newsletter (was 6/yr, now changing to NB>quarterly also)... Starting last year, they started charging an extra
$10 a year for getting the newsletter in a print form instead in
email... Another genealogical society also has a quarterly journal and a NB>nesletter... that one charges a lot more for membership than the first NB>one I mentioned... and probably has a larger membership as well...

What is killing all these publications is the continued rise of
postage and printing (first class mail is at least 55 cents), and the
continued decline in subscribers and ads.

Maybe as the older generation dies off, and you are left with just the NB>youngsters who were weaned on technology, you'll not need to have the NB>print version, but for those that aren't online, or those that have NB>limited computing, having a print version is vital for them to stay NB>connected to the organization....

If they wait too long to notify me of a problem with a missed issue,
the only way they're going to get a back copy is to download the
e-Edition off of the website...or have someone else download it, and
print it for them. The e-Edition differences between the print edition
are that all links are clickable, plus all photos and everything else
are in color. The print edition is smaller, in black and white
throughout, and does not include the extra photos.

Mine isn't nearly that much, but I do have a one-page cheat sheet that NB>has the vital information on it.... saves the memory from overheating, NB>and can cut down on how much I have to enter at the doctor offices...

If I don't have something to make a note of (an appointment, etc.),
I'll never remember it.

There are a number of small towns in the vicinity of our camp up in NB>Northern New York.... no stoplights in most of them, but the speed
limits are the regulation size... no entrapment there, usually... There NB>are stop signs where needed, though... :)

Several cities have gotten in trouble with the courts because of the
"speed trap deals".

True. I saw a cartoon with a rotary phone, and two small cellphones walking into the room, and they say "Grandma!!" <G>

Cute.

I thought you'd like that. :)

... When did my wild oats turn to shredded wheat? :-(

Both still have fiber. :P

Daryl

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Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 23-Feb-2020 10:19 <=-

Hey, there.... welcome back...!! :) So this set of messages has been
sitting waiting to go out for a while, I see... ;)

No, you can't live in the past, but one doesn't have to throw away
all the old ways either.... There needs to be a balance there...

True...but all of us get stubborn and set in our ways, especially we
grow older.

So we do what we are comfortable with, and learn a bit here and there, hopefully... ;)

I suspect that has been happening in all sorts of organizations... One
of the genealogical societies I'm a member of, among the benefits is a
quarterly scholarly journal and a newsletter (was 6/yr, now changing to
quarterly also)... Starting last year, they started charging an extra
$10 a year for getting the newsletter in a print form instead in
email... Another genealogical society also has a quarterly journal and a
nesletter... that one charges a lot more for membership than the first
one I mentioned... and probably has a larger membership as well...

What is killing all these publications is the continued rise of
postage and printing (first class mail is at least 55 cents), and the continued decline in subscribers and ads.

Some of the genealogy journals/newsletters have limited ads, some none
at all... but the publication is a service to the membership...

Maybe as the older generation dies off, and you are left with just the
youngsters who were weaned on technology, you'll not need to have the
print version, but for those that aren't online, or those that have
limited computing, having a print version is vital for them to stay
connected to the organization....

If they wait too long to notify me of a problem with a missed issue,
the only way they're going to get a back copy is to download the
e-Edition off of the website...or have someone else download it, and
print it for them.

Hopefully they'll just get their issues without a problem, then...

The e-Edition differences between the print edition
are that all links are clickable, plus all photos and everything else
are in color. The print edition is smaller, in black and white
throughout, and does not include the extra photos.

I suspect that the e-Edition for the one organization I belong to may
have more photos as well... I know it has the clickable links....

Mine isn't nearly that much, but I do have a one-page cheat sheet that
has the vital information on it.... saves the memory from overheating,
and can cut down on how much I have to enter at the doctor offices...

If I don't have something to make a note of (an appointment, etc.),
I'll never remember it.

That's what my pocket calendar is for... ;) That goes with me wherever
I go... my auxillary brain.... :)

There are a number of small towns in the vicinity of our camp up in
Northern New York.... no stoplights in most of them, but the speed
limits are the regulation size... no entrapment there, usually...
There are stop signs where needed, though... :)

Several cities have gotten in trouble with the courts because of the "speed trap deals".

As far as I know, that's not happened up there... :)

ttyl neb

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