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    From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jan 17 09:36:00 2020
    Subject: Y2K again..? was: Note from Daryl Stout


    Hi Nancy!

    January 4th: I'm back! Appears there some sort of problem with the
    mailruns when rolled to 2020 -- two decade delay on Y2K?!
    Richard just mentioned tonight that apparently some of the Y2K fixes
    merely tossed the problem down the road 20 years.... maybe that
    caught you...? He said that nothing that I use would be affected by
    that, though.... :)
    I may have read the same article. Prior I hadn't heard anything; it
    would have seemed there would have been some 'leak' there could be a problem.
    Perhaps the authors of those kick-it-down-the-road fixes aren't
    around any more or forgot it would eventually loom again... it
    was, after all, 20 years ago....

    I would guess a combination of all options. I didn't read anything; admittedly I'm not "in the loop" but usually read in the techier stuff
    of potential problems.


    (For the Y2K one I didn't do much other than screen print a
    copy of my financial statements from on-line, have a little extra
    cash, and make sure the cars were reasonably filled. I didn't think things would grind to a halt and if they did would be isolated cases
    and fixed so running within a few days.)
    There was a lot of hubbub before Y2K... and lots of people
    scrambling to patch important stuff.... Richard didn't expect
    much of a problem, either, but we did take the precaution to shut
    down all the computers entirely before midnight, and wait a few
    minutes after before turning things back on.... And then nothing happened... <G>

    I think I shut down overnight also -- don't recall: it was twenty years
    ago. <g> AFAICT all went smoothly here at the house, at the store,
    elsewhere in the area.


    Yesterday it worked.
    Today it is not working.
    Windows is like that.
    That's why I use DOS... <G> (and occasionally linux)
    (OK: had deleted what follows and made sense to leave in to go with
    the above.)
    ... Workarounds are lifesavers... until they get waterlogged... ;)
    And it's really bad when the patch has to be patched!
    That's for sure.... <G>
    Years and years and years ago I used WordPerfect. Not cheap but
    worked the way I wanted it to and had the functions I wanted and
    whatever Microsoft offered didn't. Recall reading WordPerfect did a complete overhaul of their product about 2/3rds of the way into my
    using them because there were so many patches and sub-sub-sub-routines, etc., it was causing a significant slowdown. So they started from scratch, rewrote the code, and came out with a much faster and better-running product.
    Makes sense... :) Did they offer the new product at a discount
    to their faithful customers that were still using the old
    version...?

    I don't recall: that was probably more like forty years ago.


    ...Had to do a rescan of the TVs because of the "Repack" ==> television stations moving their transmitting frequencies. Locally "Channel 6" had
    done it (finally) a month or so ago, with lots of notifications on-air
    and their website, including delays because of weather.

    That left Chs. 8, 18, and 26. (Other stations not moving.) Ch 8 had a handful of announcements it would be updating today (January 17th) but
    seemed like their total announcments would have added up towhat Ch. 6 notified in one day. Never did see announcments for the other two
    stations.

    So Ch. 8 was "off the air" this morning, did my rescanning which brought
    them back. Also found out later Chs. 18 and 26 had changed so locally
    the TV stations should be up-to-date.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Jan 24 00:01:24 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 17-Jan-2020 09:36 <=-

    January 4th: I'm back! Appears there some sort of problem with the
    mailruns when rolled to 2020 -- two decade delay on Y2K?!
    Richard just mentioned tonight that apparently some of the Y2K fixes
    merely tossed the problem down the road 20 years.... maybe that caught
    you...? He said that nothing that I use would be affected by that,
    though.... :)
    I may have read the same article. Prior I hadn't heard anything; it
    would have seemed there would have been some 'leak' there could be a problem.
    Perhaps the authors of those kick-it-down-the-road fixes aren't
    around any more or forgot it would eventually loom again... it
    was, after all, 20 years ago....
    I would guess a combination of all options. I didn't read anything; admittedly I'm not "in the loop" but usually read in the techier stuff
    of potential problems.

    I don't think that Richard had heard anything ahead of time, either...

    (For the Y2K one I didn't do much other than screen print a
    copy of my financial statements from on-line, have a little extra
    cash, and make sure the cars were reasonably filled. I didn't think
    things would grind to a halt and if they did would be isolated cases
    and fixed so running within a few days.)
    There was a lot of hubbub before Y2K... and lots of people scrambling
    to patch important stuff.... Richard didn't expect much of a problem,
    either, but we did take the precaution to shut down all the computers
    entirely before midnight, and wait a few minutes after before turning
    things back on.... And then nothing happened... <G>
    I think I shut down overnight also -- don't recall: it was twenty
    years ago. <g> AFAICT all went smoothly here at the house, at the
    store, elsewhere in the area.

    Yup, it was pretty much a non-event... Not that anybody I knew was upset
    by that... it was more a relief... :)

    ... Workarounds are lifesavers... until they get waterlogged... ;)
    And it's really bad when the patch has to be patched!
    That's for sure.... <G>
    Years and years and years ago I used WordPerfect. Not cheap but
    worked the way I wanted it to and had the functions I wanted and
    whatever Microsoft offered didn't. Recall reading WordPerfect did a
    complete overhaul of their product about 2/3rds of the way into my
    using them because there were so many patches and sub-sub-sub-routines,
    etc., it was causing a significant slowdown. So they started from
    scratch, rewrote the code, and came out with a much faster and
    better-running product.
    Makes sense... :) Did they offer the new product at a discount to
    their faithful customers that were still using the old version...?
    I don't recall: that was probably more like forty years ago.

    Must have seemed equitable to you at the time... otherwise, I'd expect
    that you'd remember it more vividly... ;) Especially as you kept using
    it for quite a while longer... ;)

    ...Had to do a rescan of the TVs because of the "Repack" ==>
    television stations moving their transmitting frequencies. Locally "Channel 6" had done it (finally) a month or so ago, with lots of notifications on-air and their website, including delays because of weather.
    That left Chs. 8, 18, and 26. (Other stations not moving.) Ch 8 had
    a handful of announcements it would be updating today (January 17th)
    but seemed like their total announcments would have added up to what
    Ch. 6 notified in one day. Never did see announcments for the other
    two stations.
    So Ch. 8 was "off the air" this morning, did my rescanning which
    brought them back. Also found out later Chs. 18 and 26 had changed so locally the TV stations should be up-to-date.

    Ours happened a couple of months ago, I think.... I remember Richard
    needing to rescan at one point, and lots of announcements ahead of time
    on my radio station for the (PBS) TV's changing transmitting frequency.
    And I think it affected all the stations in our area....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jan 24 11:40:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Ooo! Your message was #11111 here!


    January 4th: I'm back! Appears there some sort of problem with the
    mailruns when rolled to 2020 -- two decade delay on Y2K?!
    Richard just mentioned tonight that apparently some of the Y2K fixes
    merely tossed the problem down the road 20 years.... maybe that caught
    you...? He said that nothing that I use would be affected by that,
    though.... :)
    I may have read the same article. Prior I hadn't heard anything; it
    would have seemed there would have been some 'leak' there could be a problem.
    Perhaps the authors of those kick-it-down-the-road fixes aren't
    around any more or forgot it would eventually loom again... it
    was, after all, 20 years ago....
    I would guess a combination of all options. I didn't read anything; admittedly I'm not "in the loop" but usually read in the techier stuff
    of potential problems.
    I don't think that Richard had heard anything ahead of time,
    either...

    OK -- not that I'm concerned with being out of the loop, but nice to
    know I was sort of caught unawares also.



    (For the Y2K one I didn't do much other than screen print a
    copy of my financial statements from on-line, have a little extra
    cash, and make sure the cars were reasonably filled. I didn't think
    things would grind to a halt and if they did would be isolated cases
    and fixed so running within a few days.)
    There was a lot of hubbub before Y2K... and lots of people scrambling
    to patch important stuff.... Richard didn't expect much of a problem,
    either, but we did take the precaution to shut down all the computers
    entirely before midnight, and wait a few minutes after before turning
    things back on.... And then nothing happened... <G>
    I think I shut down overnight also -- don't recall: it was twenty
    years ago. <g> AFAICT all went smoothly here at the house, at the
    store, elsewhere in the area.
    Yup, it was pretty much a non-event... Not that anybody I knew
    was upset by that... it was more a relief... :)

    I don't know of anyone who was in a panic either. Thinking back seemed
    most did about the same as I did: get some verification paperwork
    together, have some money, make sure the gas tank wasn't empty.... As
    you said, ended up pretty much being a non-event, probbaly because of
    all the behind-the-scenes work going on to make sure it didn't occur.


    ... Workarounds are lifesavers... until they get waterlogged... ;)
    And it's really bad when the patch has to be patched!
    That's for sure.... <G>
    Years and years and years ago I used WordPerfect. Not cheap but
    worked the way I wanted it to and had the functions I wanted and
    whatever Microsoft offered didn't. Recall reading WordPerfect did a
    complete overhaul of their product about 2/3rds of the way into my
    using them because there were so many patches and sub-sub-sub-routines,
    etc., it was causing a significant slowdown. So they started from
    scratch, rewrote the code, and came out with a much faster and
    better-running product.
    Makes sense... :) Did they offer the new product at a discount to
    their faithful customers that were still using the old version...?
    I don't recall: that was probably more like forty years ago.
    Must have seemed equitable to you at the time... otherwise, I'd
    expect that you'd remember it more vividly... ;) Especially as
    you kept using it for quite a while longer... ;)

    Right: probably more along an upgrade price as opposed to a brand new
    version price.



    ...Had to do a rescan of the TVs because of the "Repack" ==>
    television stations moving their transmitting frequencies. Locally "Channel 6" had done it (finally) a month or so ago, with lots of notifications on-air and their website, including delays because of weather.
    That left Chs. 8, 18, and 26. (Other stations not moving.) Ch 8 had
    a handful of announcements it would be updating today (January 17th)
    but seemed like their total announcments would have added up to what
    Ch. 6 notified in one day. Never did see announcments for the other
    two stations.
    So Ch. 8 was "off the air" this morning, did my rescanning which
    brought them back. Also found out later Chs. 18 and 26 had changed so locally the TV stations should be up-to-date.
    Ours happened a couple of months ago, I think.... I remember
    Richard needing to rescan at one point, and lots of announcements
    ahead of time on my radio station for the (PBS) TV's changing
    transmitting frequency. And I think it affected all the stations
    in our area....

    For whatever reason about half the local stations moved. I'm not sure
    why the move other than to use the band more effectively. Did notice
    one thing different: my MythTV scan only went to Channel 52; UHF band
    used to go to 68 or 69. Maybe the "repack" name is to oveall condense
    the band; I half-remember the FCC wanting to use some new channels for
    things like cell phones, maybe WiFi and conumer devices. LIS, half- remembering bits and pieces.

    Back to the local repacking, Ch. 6 was the first one, but delayed
    because of weather, and some of the weather delay was at whatever
    station the tower crews were working one before coming here, some
    weather delays due to the bad weather locally. As for the other
    stations, just didn't say much.


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Sun Jan 26 22:42:00 2020
    Barry,

    Hi Nancy!

    Ooo! Your message was #11111 here!

    All for One, and One for All?? <G>

    Daryl


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Mon Jan 27 10:03:00 2020



    DARYL STOUT wrote to BARRY MARTIN <=-

    Hi Nancy!
    Ooo! Your message was #11111 here!
    All for One, and One for All?? <G>

    Or as the tagline says....

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Wed Jan 29 08:46:00 2020
    Barry,

    Ooo! Your message was #11111 here!
    All for One, and One for All?? <G>

    Or as the tagline says....

    ... 1 There's always one in every crowd.

    From "A Chorus Line" -- ONE -- singlular sensation. <G>

    Daryl


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Jan 31 02:16:48 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 24-Jan-2020 11:40 <=-

    Ooo! Your message was #11111 here!

    Nice one... ;)

    January 4th: I'm back! Appears there some sort of problem with the
    mailruns when rolled to 2020 -- two decade delay on Y2K?!
    Richard just mentioned tonight that apparently some of the Y2K fixes
    merely tossed the problem down the road 20 years.... maybe that caught
    you...? He said that nothing that I use would be affected by that,
    though.... :)
    I may have read the same article. Prior I hadn't heard anything; it
    would have seemed there would have been some 'leak' there could be a
    problem.
    Perhaps the authors of those kick-it-down-the-road fixes aren't
    around any more or forgot it would eventually loom again... it was,
    after all, 20 years ago....
    I would guess a combination of all options. I didn't read anything;
    admittedly I'm not "in the loop" but usually read in the techier stuff
    of potential problems.
    I don't think that Richard had heard anything ahead of time, either...
    OK -- not that I'm concerned with being out of the loop, but nice to
    know I was sort of caught unawares also.

    An unexpected "gotcha"....

    (For the Y2K one I didn't do much other than screen print a
    copy of my financial statements from on-line, have a little extra
    cash, and make sure the cars were reasonably filled. I didn't think
    things would grind to a halt and if they did would be isolated cases
    and fixed so running within a few days.)
    There was a lot of hubbub before Y2K... and lots of people scrambling
    to patch important stuff.... Richard didn't expect much of a problem,
    either, but we did take the precaution to shut down all the computers
    entirely before midnight, and wait a few minutes after before turning
    things back on.... And then nothing happened... <G>
    I think I shut down overnight also -- don't recall: it was twenty
    years ago. <g> AFAICT all went smoothly here at the house, at the
    store, elsewhere in the area.
    Yup, it was pretty much a non-event... Not that anybody I knew was
    upset by that... it was more a relief... :)
    I don't know of anyone who was in a panic either. Thinking back
    seemed most did about the same as I did: get some verification
    paperwork together, have some money, make sure the gas tank wasn't empty.... As you said, ended up pretty much being a non-event,
    probbaly because of all the behind-the-scenes work going on to make
    sure it didn't occur.

    Yup.

    And it's really bad when the patch has to be patched!
    That's for sure.... <G>
    Years and years and years ago I used WordPerfect. Not cheap but
    worked the way I wanted it to and had the functions I wanted and
    whatever Microsoft offered didn't. Recall reading WordPerfect did a
    complete overhaul of their product about 2/3rds of the way into my
    using them because there were so many patches and sub-sub-sub-routines,
    etc., it was causing a significant slowdown. So they started from
    scratch, rewrote the code, and came out with a much faster and
    better-running product.
    Makes sense... :) Did they offer the new product at a discount to
    their faithful customers that were still using the old version...?
    I don't recall: that was probably more like forty years ago.
    Must have seemed equitable to you at the time... otherwise, I'd expect
    that you'd remember it more vividly... ;) Especially as you kept
    using it for quite a while longer... ;)
    Right: probably more along an upgrade price as opposed to a brand new version price.

    Which would make sense.... :) When the author of the BlueWave Reader
    came out with an entirely new version, he offered to register the new
    one for free for a limited time to those who had registered the original version... I did take advantage of that... :)

    ...Had to do a rescan of the TVs because of the "Repack" ==>
    television stations moving their transmitting frequencies. Locally
    "Channel 6" had done it (finally) a month or so ago, with lots of
    notifications on-air and their website, including delays because of
    weather.
    That left Chs. 8, 18, and 26. (Other stations not moving.) Ch 8 had
    a handful of announcements it would be updating today (January 17th)
    but seemed like their total announcments would have added up to what
    Ch. 6 notified in one day. Never did see announcments for the other
    two stations.
    So Ch. 8 was "off the air" this morning, did my rescanning which
    brought them back. Also found out later Chs. 18 and 26 had changed so
    locally the TV stations should be up-to-date.
    Ours happened a couple of months ago, I think.... I remember Richard
    needing to rescan at one point, and lots of announcements ahead of
    time on my radio station for the (PBS) TV's changing transmitting
    frequency. And I think it affected all the stations in our area....
    For whatever reason about half the local stations moved. I'm not sure
    why the move other than to use the band more effectively. Did notice
    one thing different: my MythTV scan only went to Channel 52; UHF band
    used to go to 68 or 69. Maybe the "repack" name is to overall condense the band; I half-remember the FCC wanting to use some new channels for things like cell phones, maybe WiFi and conumer devices. LIS, half- remembering bits and pieces.

    That sounds like what I heard... ;)

    Back to the local repacking, Ch. 6 was the first one, but delayed
    because of weather, and some of the weather delay was at whatever
    station the tower crews were working on before coming here, some
    weather delays due to the bad weather locally. As for the other
    stations, just didn't say much.

    As I'm not watching the TV at all, I wasn't really paying attention
    until Richard started talking about it.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Thu Jan 30 15:38:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    Ooo! Your message was #11111 here!
    All for One, and One for All?? <G>
    Or as the tagline says....
    ... 1 There's always one in every crowd.

    From "A Chorus Line" -- ONE -- singlular sensation. <G>

    Sooo.... Argh! this editor won't let me copy nor insert the face
    character!

    Annnd kick! and kick! and kick!!

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jan 31 08:23:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    January 4th: I'm back! Appears there some sort of problem with the
    mailruns when rolled to 2020 -- two decade delay on Y2K?!
    Richard just mentioned tonight that apparently some of the Y2K fixes
    merely tossed the problem down the road 20 years.... maybe that caught
    you...? He said that nothing that I use would be affected by that,
    though.... :)
    I may have read the same article. Prior I hadn't heard anything; it
    would have seemed there would have been some 'leak' there could be a
    problem.
    Perhaps the authors of those kick-it-down-the-road fixes aren't
    around any more or forgot it would eventually loom again... it was,
    after all, 20 years ago....
    I would guess a combination of all options. I didn't read anything;
    admittedly I'm not "in the loop" but usually read in the techier stuff
    of potential problems.
    I don't think that Richard had heard anything ahead of time, either...
    OK -- not that I'm concerned with being out of the loop, but nice to
    know I was sort of caught unawares also.
    An unexpected "gotcha"....

    Yes; LIS like being aware of potential problems/issues - I can't do much
    about them in the way of programming/fix but nice to know something
    could be happening and monitor the situation. ...Quite sure other
    similar issues have snuck by.



    And it's really bad when the patch has to be patched!
    That's for sure.... <G>
    Years and years and years ago I used WordPerfect. Not cheap but
    worked the way I wanted it to and had the functions I wanted and
    whatever Microsoft offered didn't. Recall reading WordPerfect did a
    complete overhaul of their product about 2/3rds of the way into my
    using them because there were so many patches and sub-sub-sub-routines,
    etc., it was causing a significant slowdown. So they started from
    scratch, rewrote the code, and came out with a much faster and
    better-running product.
    Makes sense... :) Did they offer the new product at a discount to
    their faithful customers that were still using the old version...?
    I don't recall: that was probably more like forty years ago.
    Must have seemed equitable to you at the time... otherwise, I'd expect
    that you'd remember it more vividly... ;) Especially as you kept
    using it for quite a while longer... ;)
    Right: probably more along an upgrade price as opposed to a brand new version price.
    Which would make sense.... :) When the author of the BlueWave
    Reader came out with an entirely new version, he offered to
    register the new one for free for a limited time to those who had registered the original version... I did take advantage of
    that... :)

    Good and good. The free probably cost him a little bit (not getting
    paid for his work) but may have also saved him work supporting old
    versions which were now replaced by his new one. And could have created
    money with the customers using upgrads to the new version telling users
    of other products how good the new and improved BlueWave is. (That made
    a lot more sense in my mind when I only had to use thoughts and not
    words!)



    ...Had to do a rescan of the TVs because of the "Repack" ==>
    television stations moving their transmitting frequencies. Locally
    "Channel 6" had done it (finally) a month or so ago, with lots of
    notifications on-air and their website, including delays because of
    weather.
    That left Chs. 8, 18, and 26. (Other stations not moving.) Ch 8 had
    a handful of announcements it would be updating today (January 17th)
    but seemed like their total announcments would have added up to what
    Ch. 6 notified in one day. Never did see announcments for the other
    two stations.
    So Ch. 8 was "off the air" this morning, did my rescanning which
    brought them back. Also found out later Chs. 18 and 26 had changed so
    locally the TV stations should be up-to-date.
    Ours happened a couple of months ago, I think.... I remember Richard
    needing to rescan at one point, and lots of announcements ahead of
    time on my radio station for the (PBS) TV's changing transmitting
    frequency. And I think it affected all the stations in our area....
    For whatever reason about half the local stations moved. I'm not sure
    why the move other than to use the band more effectively. Did notice
    one thing different: my MythTV scan only went to Channel 52; UHF band
    used to go to 68 or 69. Maybe the "repack" name is to overall condense the band; I half-remember the FCC wanting to use some new channels for things like cell phones, maybe WiFi and conumer devices. LIS, half- remembering bits and pieces.
    That sounds like what I heard... ;)

    Ah! You are just an inkling of a techie!


    Back to the local repacking, Ch. 6 was the first one, but delayed
    because of weather, and some of the weather delay was at whatever
    station the tower crews were working on before coming here, some
    weather delays due to the bad weather locally. As for the other
    stations, just didn't say much.
    As I'm not watching the TV at all, I wasn't really paying
    attention until Richard started talking about it.... :)

    <chuckle> Right: TV? Oh, yeah, that monitor-like thing in the corner.


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Sat Feb 1 03:19:00 2020
    Barry,

    Ooo! Your message was #11111 here!
    All for One, and One for All?? <G>
    Or as the tagline says....
    ... 1 There's always one in every crowd.

    From "A Chorus Line" -- ONE -- singlular sensation. <G>

    Sooo.... Argh! this editor won't let me copy nor insert the face BM>character!

    Annnd kick! and kick! and kick!!

    \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
    | | | |
    |/ |/ |/ |/
    / / / /

    If I tried that now, I'd rip my pants.

    Daryl


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Feb 6 02:02:40 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 31-Jan-2020 08:23 <=-

    Perhaps the authors of those kick-it-down-the-road fixes aren't
    around any more or forgot it would eventually loom again... it was,
    after all, 20 years ago....
    I would guess a combination of all options. I didn't read anything;
    admittedly I'm not "in the loop" but usually read in the techier stuff
    of potential problems.
    I don't think that Richard had heard anything ahead of time, either...
    OK -- not that I'm concerned with being out of the loop, but nice to
    know I was sort of caught unawares also.
    An unexpected "gotcha"....
    Yes; LIS like being aware of potential problems/issues - I can't do
    much about them in the way of programming/fix but nice to know
    something could be happening and monitor the situation. ...Quite sure other similar issues have snuck by.

    And as long as they get fixed or don't really affect things too much,
    not really a problem...

    Must have seemed equitable to you at the time... otherwise, I'd expect
    that you'd remember it more vividly... ;) Especially as you kept
    using it for quite a while longer... ;)
    Right: probably more along an upgrade price as opposed to a brand new
    version price.
    Which would make sense.... :) When the author of the BlueWave
    Reader came out with an entirely new version, he offered to register
    the new one for free for a limited time to those who had registered
    the original version... I did take advantage of that... :)
    Good and good. The free probably cost him a little bit (not getting
    paid for his work) but may have also saved him work supporting old versions which were now replaced by his new one. And could have
    created money with the customers using upgrades to the new version
    telling users of other products how good the new and improved BlueWave
    is. (That made a lot more sense in my mind when I only had to use thoughts and not words!)

    Telling other users about the upgraded product, anyway... I don't know
    what other products, if any, Cutting Edge produced... But he did write a
    full line of readers and BBS offline doors for BlueWave, for different platforms and bbs softwares... :)

    Back to the local repacking, Ch. 6 was the first one, but delayed
    because of weather, and some of the weather delay was at whatever
    station the tower crews were working on before coming here, some
    weather delays due to the bad weather locally. As for the other
    stations, just didn't say much.
    As I'm not watching the TV at all, I wasn't really paying attention
    until Richard started talking about it.... :)
    <chuckle> Right: TV? Oh, yeah, that monitor-like thing in the corner.

    Yup, something like that.... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... He enjoys a reputation as a master pig cooker. (He's a pig whisperer!)

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Feb 6 08:19:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Perhaps the authors of those kick-it-down-the-road fixes aren't
    around any more or forgot it would eventually loom again... it was,
    after all, 20 years ago....
    I would guess a combination of all options. I didn't read anything;
    admittedly I'm not "in the loop" but usually read in the techier stuff
    of potential problems.
    I don't think that Richard had heard anything ahead of time, either...
    OK -- not that I'm concerned with being out of the loop, but nice to
    know I was sort of caught unawares also.
    An unexpected "gotcha"....
    Yes; LIS like being aware of potential problems/issues - I can't do
    much about them in the way of programming/fix but nice to know
    something could be happening and monitor the situation. ...Quite sure other similar issues have snuck by.
    And as long as they get fixed or don't really affect things too
    much, not really a problem...

    Right. I'm rather low on the totem pole: by the time a problem gets to
    me it's been tested a few thousand times. Or a handful - I also have
    some utilities which are probably used by a hundred or so people.
    Anyway, if I see something check to see it's not something stupid I did.
    try to get as detailed as possible, and report.

    As you said, they usually get fixed, if not and not too inconvenient,
    just ignore on go on.


    Must have seemed equitable to you at the time... otherwise, I'd expect
    that you'd remember it more vividly... ;) Especially as you kept
    using it for quite a while longer... ;)
    Right: probably more along an upgrade price as opposed to a brand new
    version price.
    Which would make sense.... :) When the author of the BlueWave
    Reader came out with an entirely new version, he offered to register
    the new one for free for a limited time to those who had registered
    the original version... I did take advantage of that... :)
    Good and good. The free probably cost him a little bit (not getting
    paid for his work) but may have also saved him work supporting old versions which were now replaced by his new one. And could have
    created money with the customers using upgrades to the new version
    telling users of other products how good the new and improved BlueWave
    is. (That made a lot more sense in my mind when I only had to use thoughts and not words!)
    Telling other users about the upgraded product, anyway... I don't
    know what other products, if any, Cutting Edge produced... But he
    did write a full line of readers and BBS offline doors for
    BlueWave, for different platforms and bbs softwares... :)

    Word-of-mouth advertising is good!


    Back to the local repacking, Ch. 6 was the first one, but delayed
    because of weather, and some of the weather delay was at whatever
    station the tower crews were working on before coming here, some
    weather delays due to the bad weather locally. As for the other
    stations, just didn't say much.
    As I'm not watching the TV at all, I wasn't really paying attention
    until Richard started talking about it.... :)
    <chuckle> Right: TV? Oh, yeah, that monitor-like thing in the corner.
    Yup, something like that.... :)

    Back to the rescanning, for me the problem wasn't the TVs but more the
    MythTV portion ==> recording and playback of TV shows. Had read in the
    forum of some problems, most rescans seemed to go fine. Here my "Phase
    1" rescan for 'Channel 6' went fine; even got a new station (though
    rarely watch because most offerings repeated locally).

    "Phase 2" was a little bumpy but could have been something I tried.
    'Channel 8' moved from one frequency to another -- could I simply change
    that number? The way I did it didn't work; on the rescan (regular way)
    I ended up with two 'Channel 8's, one old and therefore dead but
    identified as WQAD and the other new, live, but identified as "1"
    (subchannels as "2", "3". etc.). Fugured out the ones with the call
    signs were the old, delete and rename the new ones, and all set. The
    other stations which updated at the same time didn't not have the quirk.

    Think we're all set here until a new station comes on-line, either a new substation to an existing station or a new station. Now to see what's
    going on with Samantha and Daryll.... (hopefully find the tagline!)


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue Feb 11 01:36:12 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 06-Feb-2020 08:19 <=-

    I don't think that Richard had heard anything ahead of time, either...
    OK -- not that I'm concerned with being out of the loop, but nice to
    know I was sort of caught unawares also.
    An unexpected "gotcha"....
    Yes; LIS like being aware of potential problems/issues - I can't do
    much about them in the way of programming/fix but nice to know
    something could be happening and monitor the situation. ...Quite sure
    other similar issues have snuck by.
    And as long as they get fixed or don't really affect things too much,
    not really a problem...
    Right. I'm rather low on the totem pole: by the time a problem gets
    to me it's been tested a few thousand times. Or a handful - I also
    have some utilities which are probably used by a hundred or so people.

    I'm pretty much not even on the pole... <G> And only have a handful of programs I use anyway, other than Richard's utilities and such...

    Anyway, if I see something check to see it's not something stupid I
    did. try to get as detailed as possible, and report.
    As you said, they usually get fixed, if not and not too inconvenient,
    just ignore and go on.

    Yup. And I think the programs I do use aren't ones that I can reach the authors of anymore anyway.... so if there is an issue, I just have to
    hope that Richard can find a way to fix it... ;)

    Which would make sense.... :) When the author of the BlueWave
    Reader came out with an entirely new version, he offered to register
    the new one for free for a limited time to those who had registered
    the original version... I did take advantage of that... :)
    Good and good. The free probably cost him a little bit (not getting
    paid for his work) but may have also saved him work supporting old
    versions which were now replaced by his new one. And could have
    created money with the customers using upgrades to the new version
    telling users of other products how good the new and improved BlueWave
    is. (That made a lot more sense in my mind when I only had to use
    thoughts and not words!)
    Telling other users about the upgraded product, anyway... I don't know
    what other products, if any, Cutting Edge produced... But he did write
    a full line of readers and BBS offline doors for BlueWave, for
    different platforms and bbs softwares... :)
    Word-of-mouth advertising is good!

    Yup... and having them available on BBSs to download... There was a kid
    that was really into Bluewave, back when I was just getting into this
    stuff... Paul something... He was also a regular on the Holodeck, and
    made sure that we had the latest and greatest as soon as it came out...
    I know of at least one existing bbs (Holodeck is gone now) that has
    pretty much every Bluewave file, including the Y2K fixes that happened
    after the author had already disappeared...

    Back to the local repacking, Ch. 6 was the first one, but delayed
    because of weather, and some of the weather delay was at whatever
    station the tower crews were working on before coming here, some
    weather delays due to the bad weather locally. As for the other
    stations, just didn't say much.
    As I'm not watching the TV at all, I wasn't really paying attention
    until Richard started talking about it.... :)
    <chuckle> Right: TV? Oh, yeah, that monitor-like thing in the corner.
    Yup, something like that.... :)
    Back to the rescanning, for me the problem wasn't the TVs but more the MythTV portion ==> recording and playback of TV shows. Had read in
    the forum of some problems, most rescans seemed to go fine. Here my "Phase 1" rescan for 'Channel 6' went fine; even got a new station
    (though rarely watch because most offerings repeated locally).

    The more complicated one's setup, the more complicated the updates
    get... ;)

    "Phase 2" was a little bumpy but could have been something I tried. 'Channel 8' moved from one frequency to another -- could I simply
    change that number? The way I did it didn't work; on the rescan
    (regular way) I ended up with two 'Channel 8's, one old and therefore
    dead but identified as WQAD and the other new, live, but identified as
    "1" (subchannels as "2", "3". etc.). Figured out the ones with the
    call signs were the old, delete and rename the new ones, and all set.
    The other stations which updated at the same time did not have the
    quirk.

    Probably best not to second-guess the instructions... <G>

    Think we're all set here until a new station comes on-line, either a
    new substation to an existing station or a new station. Now to see
    what's going on with Samantha and Daryll.... (hopefully find the
    tagline!)

    ... 7:30 Ch 7: Bewitched.Tabatha gets carsick & turns Darin into
    plastic bag.

    That's the other show, isn't it...?

    ttyl neb

    ... Genius is nothing but a greater aptitude for patience. - Ben Franklin

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Tue Feb 11 08:39:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I don't think that Richard had heard anything ahead of time, either...
    OK -- not that I'm concerned with being out of the loop, but nice to
    know I was sort of caught unawares also.
    An unexpected "gotcha"....
    Yes; LIS like being aware of potential problems/issues - I can't do
    much about them in the way of programming/fix but nice to know
    something could be happening and monitor the situation. ...Quite sure
    other similar issues have snuck by.
    And as long as they get fixed or don't really affect things too much,
    not really a problem...
    Right. I'm rather low on the totem pole: by the time a problem gets
    to me it's been tested a few thousand times. Or a handful - I also
    have some utilities which are probably used by a hundred or so people.
    I'm pretty much not even on the pole... <G> And only have a
    handful of programs I use anyway, other than Richard's utilities
    and such...

    Someone has to be out there to admire the Totem! <g>


    Anyway, if I see something check to see it's not something stupid I
    did. try to get as detailed as possible, and report.
    As you said, they usually get fixed, if not and not too inconvenient,
    just ignore and go on.
    Yup. And I think the programs I do use aren't ones that I can
    reach the authors of anymore anyway.... so if there is an issue,
    I just have to hope that Richard can find a way to fix it... ;)

    I'm using one of those right now: the editor I use for BBS mail is no
    longer supported. Years ago I sent a check to register - I think more
    to be legit and appreciative. Was returned, I think by the family.



    Which would make sense.... :) When the author of the BlueWave
    Reader came out with an entirely new version, he offered to register
    the new one for free for a limited time to those who had registered
    the original version... I did take advantage of that... :)
    Good and good. The free probably cost him a little bit (not getting
    paid for his work) but may have also saved him work supporting old
    versions which were now replaced by his new one. And could have
    created money with the customers using upgrades to the new version
    telling users of other products how good the new and improved BlueWave
    is. (That made a lot more sense in my mind when I only had to use
    thoughts and not words!)
    Telling other users about the upgraded product, anyway... I don't know
    what other products, if any, Cutting Edge produced... But he did write
    a full line of readers and BBS offline doors for BlueWave, for
    different platforms and bbs softwares... :)
    Word-of-mouth advertising is good!
    Yup... and having them available on BBSs to download... There was
    a kid that was really into Bluewave, back when I was just getting
    into this stuff... Paul something... He was also a regular on the Holodeck, and made sure that we had the latest and greatest as
    soon as it came out... I know of at least one existing bbs
    (Holodeck is gone now) that has pretty much every Bluewave file,
    including the Y2K fixes that happened after the author had
    already disappeared...

    A repository of old files and fixes is nice to have available. Part of
    that may be why I have kept a bunch of old software, for that just in
    case I or someone needs. Not so sure I really need to keep MS-DOS 3.x.


    Back to the local repacking, Ch. 6 was the first one, but delayed
    because of weather, and some of the weather delay was at whatever
    station the tower crews were working on before coming here, some
    weather delays due to the bad weather locally. As for the other
    stations, just didn't say much.
    As I'm not watching the TV at all, I wasn't really paying attention
    until Richard started talking about it.... :)
    <chuckle> Right: TV? Oh, yeah, that monitor-like thing in the corner.
    Yup, something like that.... :)
    Back to the rescanning, for me the problem wasn't the TVs but more the MythTV portion ==> recording and playback of TV shows. Had read in
    the forum of some problems, most rescans seemed to go fine. Here my "Phase 1" rescan for 'Channel 6' went fine; even got a new station
    (though rarely watch because most offerings repeated locally).
    The more complicated one's setup, the more complicated the
    updates get... ;)

    Seems to! OTOH it's (MythTV) relatively straight-forward: just a lot
    more menus. ...OK, so maybe just a little more complicated!


    "Phase 2" was a little bumpy but could have been something I tried. 'Channel 8' moved from one frequency to another -- could I simply
    change that number? The way I did it didn't work; on the rescan
    (regular way) I ended up with two 'Channel 8's, one old and therefore
    dead but identified as WQAD and the other new, live, but identified as
    "1" (subchannels as "2", "3". etc.). Figured out the ones with the
    call signs were the old, delete and rename the new ones, and all set.
    The other stations which updated at the same time did not have the
    quirk.
    Probably best not to second-guess the instructions... <G>

    (Where's that tagline about discoveries are made by not following instructions?!) I may have to read what the correct way to
    update/change is: I don't know if any of the remaining stations will
    have a future repack but reasonably sure of added sub-stations.


    Think we're all set here until a new station comes on-line, either a
    new substation to an existing station or a new station. Now to see
    what's going on with Samantha and Daryll.... (hopefully find the
    tagline!)
    ... 7:30 Ch 7: Bewitched.Tabatha gets carsick & turns Darin into
    plastic bag.
    That's the other show, isn't it...?

    There were two husbands - maybe both were named Darin? ....Darrin (two
    r's): Dick York.... The other one wasn't listed in the photos. Off to
    the Wikipedia article.... Ah!:

    Darrin Stephens (originally Dick York, seasons 1-5; later Dick
    Sargent, seasons 6-8).

    As for the reason for the change:

    Dick York was unable to continue his role as Darrin because of a
    severe back condition, the result of an accident during the filming of
    They Came To Cordura in 1959. Starting during the third season, York's
    disability caused ongoing shooting delays and script rewrites. After
    collapsing while filming the episode "Daddy Does His Thing" and being
    rushed to the hospital in January 1969, York left the show. Dick
    Sargent was cast for the role that same month,[1] and went on to play
    Darrin in the sixth through eighth seasons,





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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon Feb 17 02:09:52 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 11-Feb-2020 08:39 <=-

    Yes; LIS like being aware of potential problems/issues - I can't do
    much about them in the way of programming/fix but nice to know
    something could be happening and monitor the situation. ...Quite sure
    other similar issues have snuck by.
    And as long as they get fixed or don't really affect things too much,
    not really a problem...
    Right. I'm rather low on the totem pole: by the time a problem gets
    to me it's been tested a few thousand times. Or a handful - I also
    have some utilities which are probably used by a hundred or so people.
    I'm pretty much not even on the pole... <G> And only have a handful
    of programs I use anyway, other than Richard's utilities and such...
    Someone has to be out there to admire the Totem! <g>

    I suppose.... <G>

    Anyway, if I see something check to see it's not something stupid I
    did. try to get as detailed as possible, and report.
    As you said, they usually get fixed, if not and not too inconvenient,
    just ignore and go on.
    Yup. And I think the programs I do use aren't ones that I can
    reach the authors of anymore anyway.... so if there is an issue,
    I just have to hope that Richard can find a way to fix it... ;)
    I'm using one of those right now: the editor I use for BBS mail is no longer supported. Years ago I sent a check to register - I think more
    to be legit and appreciative. Was returned, I think by the family.

    As long as it still works, it doesn't matter whether or not it is
    supported, after all... :)

    Telling other users about the upgraded product, anyway... I don't
    know what other products, if any, Cutting Edge produced... But he
    did write a full line of readers and BBS offline doors for BlueWave,
    for different platforms and bbs softwares... :)
    Word-of-mouth advertising is good!
    Yup... and having them available on BBSs to download... There was a
    kid that was really into Bluewave, back when I was just getting into
    this stuff... Paul something... He was also a regular on the Holodeck,
    and made sure that we had the latest and greatest as soon as it came
    out... I know of at least one existing bbs (Holodeck is gone now) that
    has pretty much every Bluewave file, including the Y2K fixes that
    happened after the author had already disappeared...
    A repository of old files and fixes is nice to have available. Part
    of that may be why I have kept a bunch of old software, for that just
    in case I or someone needs. Not so sure I really need to keep MS-DOS
    3.x.

    You just never know... But, yes, that is pretty ancient... even I am
    using something beyond that... <G>

    As I'm not watching the TV at all, I wasn't really paying attention
    until Richard started talking about it.... :)
    <chuckle> Right: TV? Oh, yeah, that monitor-like thing in the corner.
    Yup, something like that.... :)
    Back to the rescanning, for me the problem wasn't the TVs but more the
    MythTV portion ==> recording and playback of TV shows. Had read in
    the forum of some problems, most rescans seemed to go fine. Here my
    "Phase 1" rescan for 'Channel 6' went fine; even got a new station
    (though rarely watch because most offerings repeated locally).
    The more complicated one's setup, the more complicated the updates
    get... ;)
    Seems to! OTOH it's (MythTV) relatively straight-forward: just a lot
    more menus. ...OK, so maybe just a little more complicated!

    As I said.... <G>

    "Phase 2" was a little bumpy but could have been something I tried.
    'Channel 8' moved from one frequency to another -- could I simply
    change that number? The way I did it didn't work; on the rescan
    (regular way) I ended up with two 'Channel 8's, one old and therefore
    dead but identified as WQAD and the other new, live, but identified as
    "1" (subchannels as "2", "3". etc.). Figured out the ones with the
    call signs were the old, delete and rename the new ones, and all set.
    The other stations which updated at the same time did not have the
    quirk.
    Probably best not to second-guess the instructions... <G>
    (Where's that tagline about discoveries are made by not following instructions?!)

    Sometimes the discovery is that it would have been better to follow the instructions... <G>

    I may have to read what the correct way to
    update/change is: I don't know if any of the remaining stations will
    have a future repack but reasonably sure of added sub-stations.

    And by then, there might be an update to the instructions, too... ;)

    Think we're all set here until a new station comes on-line, either a
    new substation to an existing station or a new station. Now to see
    what's going on with Samantha and Daryll.... (hopefully find the
    tagline!)
    ... 7:30 Ch 7: Bewitched.Tabatha gets carsick & turns Darin into
    plastic bag.
    That's the other show, isn't it...?
    There were two husbands - maybe both were named Darin? ....Darrin
    (two r's): Dick York.... The other one wasn't listed in the photos.

    I was referring to the fact that one was "Samantha and Daryll" and the
    other one "Tabitha and Darin"... And then there was Jeanie (Genie)....

    Off to the Wikipedia article.... Ah!:
    Darrin Stephens (originally Dick York, seasons 1-5; later Dick
    Sargent, seasons 6-8).
    As for the reason for the change:
    Dick York was unable to continue his role as Darrin because of a
    severe back condition, the result of an accident during the filming
    of They Came To Cordura in 1959. Starting during the third season,
    York's disability caused ongoing shooting delays and script rewrites. After collapsing while filming the episode "Daddy Does His Thing" and being rushed to the hospital in January 1969, York left the show.
    Dick Sargent was cast for the role that same month,[1] and went on to
    play Darrin in the sixth through eighth seasons,

    Not that I was by any means a regular viewer, but I did see the
    occasional episode from time to time... of a number of those shows... ;)
    And saw some as reruns over the years as well (at other people's houses, generally)...

    ... Today it's hard to find wood to knock on for good luck.

    That's why one might use one's head to knock on... it's convenient, as
    well... <G>

    ttyl neb

    ... If you wake up Sleepy & Grumpy, you must be Snow White.

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Mon Feb 17 08:37:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Anyway, if I see something check to see it's not something stupid I
    did. try to get as detailed as possible, and report.
    As you said, they usually get fixed, if not and not too inconvenient,
    just ignore and go on.
    Yup. And I think the programs I do use aren't ones that I can
    reach the authors of anymore anyway.... so if there is an issue,
    I just have to hope that Richard can find a way to fix it... ;)
    I'm using one of those right now: the editor I use for BBS mail is no longer supported. Years ago I sent a check to register - I think more
    to be legit and appreciative. Was returned, I think by the family.
    As long as it still works, it doesn't matter whether or not it is supported, after all... :)

    Right; I was mainly trying to send the registration check as thank you
    to the author. Also would have removed the 'please register' note that
    only appears when first writing then disappears.


    Telling other users about the upgraded product, anyway... I don't
    know what other products, if any, Cutting Edge produced... But he
    did write a full line of readers and BBS offline doors for BlueWave,
    for different platforms and bbs softwares... :)
    Word-of-mouth advertising is good!
    Yup... and having them available on BBSs to download... There was a
    kid that was really into Bluewave, back when I was just getting into
    this stuff... Paul something... He was also a regular on the Holodeck,
    and made sure that we had the latest and greatest as soon as it came
    out... I know of at least one existing bbs (Holodeck is gone now) that
    has pretty much every Bluewave file, including the Y2K fixes that
    happened after the author had already disappeared...
    A repository of old files and fixes is nice to have available. Part
    of that may be why I have kept a bunch of old software, for that just
    in case I or someone needs. Not so sure I really need to keep MS-DOS
    3.x.
    You just never know... But, yes, that is pretty ancient... even I
    am using something beyond that... <G>

    Good! <g> ...Just did a quick look at eBay -- did see a 3.3 and that
    was bundled with a Windows at a little over forty dollars. Appears not
    really worth the storage space. ...Would be nice if could find out how
    long some of the 'antique' items have been posted: selling like hotcakes
    or posted since 1995.


    As I'm not watching the TV at all, I wasn't really paying attention
    until Richard started talking about it.... :)
    <chuckle> Right: TV? Oh, yeah, that monitor-like thing in the corner.
    Yup, something like that.... :)
    Back to the rescanning, for me the problem wasn't the TVs but more the
    MythTV portion ==> recording and playback of TV shows. Had read in
    the forum of some problems, most rescans seemed to go fine. Here my
    "Phase 1" rescan for 'Channel 6' went fine; even got a new station
    (though rarely watch because most offerings repeated locally).
    The more complicated one's setup, the more complicated the updates
    get... ;)
    Seems to! OTOH it's (MythTV) relatively straight-forward: just a lot
    more menus. ...OK, so maybe just a little more complicated!
    As I said.... <G>

    Not watching TV or .... <g>


    "Phase 2" was a little bumpy but could have been something I tried.
    'Channel 8' moved from one frequency to another -- could I simply
    change that number? The way I did it didn't work; on the rescan
    (regular way) I ended up with two 'Channel 8's, one old and therefore
    dead but identified as WQAD and the other new, live, but identified as
    "1" (subchannels as "2", "3". etc.). Figured out the ones with the
    call signs were the old, delete and rename the new ones, and all set.
    The other stations which updated at the same time did not have the
    quirk.
    Probably best not to second-guess the instructions... <G>
    (Where's that tagline about discoveries are made by not following instructions?!)
    Sometimes the discovery is that it would have been better to
    follow the instructions... <G>

    Ooohhhh!! <gg>


    I may have to read what the correct way to
    update/change is: I don't know if any of the remaining stations will
    have a future repack but reasonably sure of added sub-stations.
    And by then, there might be an update to the instructions, too...
    ;)

    I did find out appears there is a rescan needed around March 17th. Out
    of curiosity I think I'll look up that other way of setting the station frequency. Probably easier to do a scan.


    Think we're all set here until a new station comes on-line, either a
    new substation to an existing station or a new station. Now to see
    what's going on with Samantha and Daryll.... (hopefully find the
    tagline!)
    ... 7:30 Ch 7: Bewitched.Tabatha gets carsick & turns Darin into
    plastic bag.
    That's the other show, isn't it...?
    There were two husbands - maybe both were named Darin? ....Darrin
    (two r's): Dick York.... The other one wasn't listed in the photos.
    I was referring to the fact that one was "Samantha and Daryll"
    and the other one "Tabitha and Darin"... And then there was
    Jeanie (Genie)....

    Ah-ha! You do know some TV!!


    Off to the Wikipedia article.... Ah!:
    Darrin Stephens (originally Dick York, seasons 1-5; later Dick
    Sargent, seasons 6-8).
    As for the reason for the change:
    Dick York was unable to continue his role as Darrin because of a
    severe back condition, the result of an accident during the filming
    of They Came To Cordura in 1959. Starting during the third season,
    York's disability caused ongoing shooting delays and script rewrites. After collapsing while filming the episode "Daddy Does His Thing" and being rushed to the hospital in January 1969, York left the show.
    Dick Sargent was cast for the role that same month,[1] and went on to
    play Darrin in the sixth through eighth seasons,
    Not that I was by any means a regular viewer, but I did see the
    occasional episode from time to time... of a number of those
    shows... ;) And saw some as reruns over the years as well (at
    other people's houses, generally)...

    A lot of the shows I watch could easily be classified as cotton candy
    for the brain, though not quite turning my brain to cotton candy
    (Marshmallow Fluff, maybe! <g>). Some was just to be able to join in on
    work conversations.


    ... Today it's hard to find wood to knock on for good luck.
    That's why one might use one's head to knock on... it's
    convenient, as well... <G>

    I do usually have ti with me!


    ... If you wake up Sleepy & Grumpy, you must be Snow White.

    And....

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Feb 22 22:14:10 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 17-Feb-2020 08:37 <=-

    Yup. And I think the programs I do use aren't ones that I can
    reach the authors of anymore anyway.... so if there is an issue,
    I just have to hope that Richard can find a way to fix it... ;)
    I'm using one of those right now: the editor I use for BBS mail is no
    longer supported. Years ago I sent a check to register - I think more
    to be legit and appreciative. Was returned, I think by the family.
    As long as it still works, it doesn't matter whether or not it is
    supported, after all... :)
    Right; I was mainly trying to send the registration check as thank you
    to the author. Also would have removed the 'please register' note
    that only appears when first writing then disappears.

    The little nags.... ;) Yes, it would have been nice to get that
    registered, but if the author wasn't around any more, probably the
    family wouldn't have been able to generate a registration code for you anyway....

    A repository of old files and fixes is nice to have available. Part
    of that may be why I have kept a bunch of old software, for that just
    in case I or someone needs. Not so sure I really need to keep MS-DOS
    3.x.
    You just never know... But, yes, that is pretty ancient... even I
    am using something beyond that... <G>
    Good! <g> ...Just did a quick look at eBay -- did see a 3.3 and that
    was bundled with a Windows at a little over forty dollars. Appears
    not really worth the storage space. ...Would be nice if could find out how long some of the 'antique' items have been posted: selling like hotcakes or posted since 1995.

    You mean Ebay doesn't have some way of telling that sort of
    information....?

    The more complicated one's setup, the more complicated the updates
    get... ;)
    Seems to! OTOH it's (MythTV) relatively straight-forward: just a lot
    more menus. ...OK, so maybe just a little more complicated!
    As I said.... <G>

    Not watching TV or .... <g>

    Updates.... for you, that is.... <G> and relative complication... ;)

    I may have to read what the correct way to
    update/change is: I don't know if any of the remaining stations will
    have a future repack but reasonably sure of added sub-stations.
    And by then, there might be an update to the instructions, too... ;)
    I did find out appears there is a rescan needed around March 17th.
    Out of curiosity I think I'll look up that other way of setting the station frequency. Probably easier to do a scan.

    Probably....

    Think we're all set here until a new station comes on-line, either a
    new substation to an existing station or a new station. Now to see
    what's going on with Samantha and Daryll.... (hopefully find the
    tagline!)
    ... 7:30 Ch 7: Bewitched.Tabatha gets carsick & turns Darin into
    plastic bag.
    That's the other show, isn't it...?
    There were two husbands - maybe both were named Darin? ....Darrin
    (two r's): Dick York.... The other one wasn't listed in the photos.
    I was referring to the fact that one was "Samantha and Daryll" and
    the other one "Tabitha and Darin"... And then there was Jeanie
    (Genie)....
    Ah-ha! You do know some TV!!

    I didn't say I had had NO exposure to TV.... <G> Some things do stick
    even if only seen on occasional basis at friends' houses.... ;)

    Not that I was by any means a regular viewer, but I did see the
    occasional episode from time to time... of a number of those shows...
    And saw some as reruns over the years as well (at other people's
    houses, generally)...
    A lot of the shows I watch could easily be classified as cotton candy
    for the brain, though not quite turning my brain to cotton candy (Marshmallow Fluff, maybe! <g>). Some was just to be able to join in
    on work conversations.

    Which you don't need now... but, yeah... it's a way to relax.... ;)

    ... Today it's hard to find wood to knock on for good luck.
    That's why one might use one's head to knock on... it's
    convenient, as well... <G>
    I do usually have it with me!

    Exactly.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Feb 23 08:37:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Yup. And I think the programs I do use aren't ones that I can
    reach the authors of anymore anyway.... so if there is an issue,
    I just have to hope that Richard can find a way to fix it... ;)
    I'm using one of those right now: the editor I use for BBS mail is no
    longer supported. Years ago I sent a check to register - I think more
    to be legit and appreciative. Was returned, I think by the family.
    As long as it still works, it doesn't matter whether or not it is
    supported, after all... :)
    Right; I was mainly trying to send the registration check as thank you
    to the author. Also would have removed the 'please register' note
    that only appears when first writing then disappears.
    The little nags.... ;) Yes, it would have been nice to get that registered, but if the author wasn't around any more, probably
    the family wouldn't have been able to generate a registration
    code for you anyway....

    Probably not; another option was the author was alive just not actively supporting the software. Mine was more of attempt to do the right thing (register) and show appreciation of the person's work.


    A repository of old files and fixes is nice to have available. Part
    of that may be why I have kept a bunch of old software, for that just
    in case I or someone needs. Not so sure I really need to keep MS-DOS
    3.x.
    You just never know... But, yes, that is pretty ancient... even I
    am using something beyond that... <G>
    Good! <g> ...Just did a quick look at eBay -- did see a 3.3 and that
    was bundled with a Windows at a little over forty dollars. Appears
    not really worth the storage space. ...Would be nice if could find out how long some of the 'antique' items have been posted: selling like hotcakes or posted since 1995.
    You mean Ebay doesn't have some way of telling that sort of information....?

    Not that I had noticed. ...Looked closer at three listings and didn't
    see anything indicated initial port date. (Have seen on Amazon.)


    The more complicated one's setup, the more complicated the updates
    get... ;)
    Seems to! OTOH it's (MythTV) relatively straight-forward: just a lot
    more menus. ...OK, so maybe just a little more complicated!
    As I said.... <G>
    Not watching TV or .... <g>
    Updates.... for you, that is.... <G> and relative
    complication... ;)

    Simple takes the fun out of it! <g>


    Ah-ha! You do know some TV!!
    I didn't say I had had NO exposure to TV.... <G> Some things do
    stick even if only seen on occasional basis at friends'
    houses.... ;)

    True. "Waste of time" probably comes to your mind frequently! <jk>



    Not that I was by any means a regular viewer, but I did see the
    occasional episode from time to time... of a number of those shows...
    And saw some as reruns over the years as well (at other people's
    houses, generally)...
    A lot of the shows I watch could easily be classified as cotton candy
    for the brain, though not quite turning my brain to cotton candy (Marshmallow Fluff, maybe! <g>). Some was just to be able to join in
    on work conversations.
    Which you don't need now... but, yeah... it's a way to relax....
    ;)

    After a long day of e-mail, some ends-and-odds on-line research, ...<g>


    ... Advice is usually worth what it cost. Less if you hired a
    consultant.

    And consultants should be considered that: someone to get ideas from.
    What works for them/in their mind doesn't necessarily work for you/me/
    the person being the 'consultee'. Spend good money (and time) on a
    person hired to tell you want to do (or not to do) one probably wants
    postive results: I give you money, you tell me how to fix this problem.

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Feb 28 17:51:28 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 23-Feb-2020 08:37 <=-

    the editor I use for BBS mail is no longer supported. Years ago I
    sent a check to register - I think more to be legit and appreciative.
    Was returned, I think by the family.
    As long as it still works, it doesn't matter whether or not it is
    supported, after all... :)
    Right; I was mainly trying to send the registration check as thank you
    to the author. Also would have removed the 'please register' note
    that only appears when first writing then disappears.
    Yes, it would have been nice to get that registered, but if the
    author wasn't around any more, probably the family wouldn't have been
    able to generate a registration code for you anyway....
    Probably not; another option was the author was alive just not
    actively supporting the software. Mine was more of attempt to do the right thing (register) and show appreciation of the person's work.

    And both are good things... :)

    A repository of old files and fixes is nice to have available. Part
    of that may be why I have kept a bunch of old software, for that just
    in case I or someone needs. Not so sure I really need to keep MS-DOS
    3.x.
    You just never know... But, yes, that is pretty ancient... even I
    am using something beyond that... <G>
    Good! <g> ...Just did a quick look at eBay -- did see a 3.3 and that
    was bundled with a Windows at a little over forty dollars. Appears
    not really worth the storage space. ...Would be nice if could find out
    how long some of the 'antique' items have been posted: selling like
    hotcakes or posted since 1995.
    You mean Ebay doesn't have some way of telling that sort of
    information....?
    Not that I had noticed. ...Looked closer at three listings and
    didn't see anything indicated initial post date. (Have seen on
    Amazon.)

    Maybe it isn't viewable on the user side of things... You'd think that
    someone would keep track of that sort of thing, if only for ongoing site maintenance....

    The more complicated one's setup, the more complicated the updates
    get... ;)
    Seems to! OTOH it's (MythTV) relatively straight-forward: just a lot
    more menus. ...OK, so maybe just a little more complicated!
    As I said.... <G>
    Not watching TV or .... <g>
    Updates.... for you, that is.... <G> and relative complication... ;)
    Simple takes the fun out of it! <g>

    Um... right... <G>

    Ah-ha! You do know some TV!!
    I didn't say I had had NO exposure to TV.... <G> Some things do
    stick even if only seen on occasional basis at friends' houses.... ;)
    True. "Waste of time" probably comes to your mind frequently! <jk>

    Some times just "distraction".... which isn't always bad... <G>

    Not that I was by any means a regular viewer, but I did see the
    occasional episode from time to time... of a number of those shows...
    And saw some as reruns over the years as well (at other people's
    houses, generally)...
    A lot of the shows I watch could easily be classified as cotton candy
    for the brain, though not quite turning my brain to cotton candy
    (Marshmallow Fluff, maybe! <g>). Some was just to be able to join in
    on work conversations.
    Which you don't need now... but, yeah... it's a way to relax.... ;)
    After a long day of e-mail, some ends-and-odds on-line research,
    ...<g>

    Whatever you want to call it... <G>

    ... Advice is usually worth what it cost. Less if you hired a
    consultant.
    And consultants should be considered that: someone to get ideas from.
    What works for them/in their mind doesn't necessarily work for you/me/
    the person being the 'consultee'. Spend good money (and time) on a
    person hired to tell you what to do (or not to do) one probably wants postive results: I give you money, you tell me how to fix this
    problem.

    Sometimes it is quite useful to get some expertise on a subject/project, especially if one has hit a snag... as long as the consultant does know, anyway.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Feb 29 08:58:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    the editor I use for BBS mail is no longer supported. Years ago I
    sent a check to register - I think more to be legit and appreciative.
    Was returned, I think by the family.
    As long as it still works, it doesn't matter whether or not it is
    supported, after all... :)
    Right; I was mainly trying to send the registration check as thank you
    to the author. Also would have removed the 'please register' note
    that only appears when first writing then disappears.
    Yes, it would have been nice to get that registered, but if the
    author wasn't around any more, probably the family wouldn't have been
    able to generate a registration code for you anyway....
    Probably not; another option was the author was alive just not
    actively supporting the software. Mine was more of attempt to do the right thing (register) and show appreciation of the person's work.
    And both are good things... :)

    And probably more the latter. Vaguely recalling I knew ahead of time
    the software was no longer registerable; at least by the attempt to
    register I was showing appreciation.


    A repository of old files and fixes is nice to have available. Part
    of that may be why I have kept a bunch of old software, for that just
    in case I or someone needs. Not so sure I really need to keep MS-DOS
    3.x.
    You just never know... But, yes, that is pretty ancient... even I
    am using something beyond that... <G>
    Good! <g> ...Just did a quick look at eBay -- did see a 3.3 and that
    was bundled with a Windows at a little over forty dollars. Appears
    not really worth the storage space. ...Would be nice if could find out
    how long some of the 'antique' items have been posted: selling like
    hotcakes or posted since 1995.
    You mean Ebay doesn't have some way of telling that sort of
    information....?
    Not that I had noticed. ...Looked closer at three listings and
    didn't see anything indicated initial post date. (Have seen on
    Amazon.)
    Maybe it isn't viewable on the user side of things... You'd think
    that someone would keep track of that sort of thing, if only for
    ongoing site maintenance....

    I have Googled for information on products/devices and have clicked to
    old and expired listings -- sometimes get "auction ended August 14,
    1997" so some very old information is being kept. Just haven't seen or figured out how to get to the initial listing date on eBay; Amazon
    usually has it. Oh well. Did find a paperback I brought in as part of
    my giveaway was listed $44-90 -- history on a local univeristy. Gave
    that one to one of the receptionists: her father had attended and seemed
    to imply there was more than just going there. (And no, I didn't tell
    her the price spread I had found.)



    Ah-ha! You do know some TV!!
    I didn't say I had had NO exposure to TV.... <G> Some things do
    stick even if only seen on occasional basis at friends' houses.... ;)
    True. "Waste of time" probably comes to your mind frequently! <jk>
    Some times just "distraction".... which isn't always bad... <G>

    True: provides relief, or a mood-changer (preferably to happy).


    Not that I was by any means a regular viewer, but I did see the
    occasional episode from time to time... of a number of those shows...
    And saw some as reruns over the years as well (at other people's
    houses, generally)...
    A lot of the shows I watch could easily be classified as cotton candy
    for the brain, though not quite turning my brain to cotton candy
    (Marshmallow Fluff, maybe! <g>). Some was just to be able to join in
    on work conversations.
    Which you don't need now... but, yeah... it's a way to relax.... ;)
    After a long day of e-mail, some ends-and-odds on-line research,
    ...<g>
    Whatever you want to call it... <G>

    No work chats now but still a little out of it: people I know watching
    Netflix, etc., which we don't subscribe to on-line services.


    ... Advice is usually worth what it cost. Less if you hired a
    consultant.
    And consultants should be considered that: someone to get ideas from.
    What works for them/in their mind doesn't necessarily work for you/me/
    the person being the 'consultee'. Spend good money (and time) on a
    person hired to tell you what to do (or not to do) one probably wants postive results: I give you money, you tell me how to fix this
    problem.
    Sometimes it is quite useful to get some expertise on a
    subject/project, especially if one has hit a snag... as long as
    the consultant does know, anyway.... ;)

    Yes - like my car's battery issue. Would seem the dealer mechanics
    would know. Well, they did know it wasn't the battery but something
    causing the battery to 'fail'. They just needed a hint as to where to
    look.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Mar 6 02:51:30 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 29-Feb-2020 08:58 <=-

    Right; I was mainly trying to send the registration check as thank you
    to the author. Also would have removed the 'please register' note
    that only appears when first writing then disappears.
    Yes, it would have been nice to get that registered, but if the
    author wasn't around any more, probably the family wouldn't have been
    able to generate a registration code for you anyway....
    Probably not; another option was the author was alive just not
    actively supporting the software. Mine was more of attempt to do the
    right thing (register) and show appreciation of the person's work.
    And both are good things... :)
    And probably more the latter. Vaguely recalling I knew ahead of time
    the software was no longer registerable; at least by the attempt to register I was showing appreciation.

    Yup. And another way to show appreciation is to keep using it...
    although, admittedly, often there'd be no way that anyone would
    necessarily know that you were... <G>

    ...Just did a quick look at eBay -- did see a 3.3 and that was
    bundled with a Windows at a little over forty dollars. Appears not
    really worth the storage space. ...Would be nice if could find out
    how long some of the 'antique' items have been posted: selling like
    hotcakes or posted since 1995.
    You mean Ebay doesn't have some way of telling that sort of
    information....?
    Not that I had noticed. ...Looked closer at three listings and
    didn't see anything indicated initial post date. (Have seen on
    Amazon.)
    Maybe it isn't viewable on the user side of things... You'd think
    that someone would keep track of that sort of thing, if only for
    ongoing site maintenance....
    I have Googled for information on products/devices and have clicked to
    old and expired listings -- sometimes get "auction ended August 14,
    1997" so some very old information is being kept. Just haven't seen
    or figured out how to get to the initial listing date on eBay; Amazon usually has it. Oh well. Did find a paperback I brought in as part
    of my giveaway was listed $44-90 -- history on a local univeristy.
    Gave that one to one of the receptionists: her father had attended and seemed to imply there was more than just going there. (And no, I
    didn't tell her the price spread I had found.)

    From what Richard says, the price spreads on EBay can be totally
    ridiculous... one really does have to have a clue what something is
    worth before thinking of buying it there... but by the same token, one
    can also get some really good deals there.... :)

    Ah-ha! You do know some TV!!
    I didn't say I had had NO exposure to TV.... <G> Some things do
    stick even if only seen on occasional basis at friends' houses.... ;)
    True. "Waste of time" probably comes to your mind frequently! <jk>
    Some times just "distraction".... which isn't always bad... <G>
    True: provides relief, or a mood-changer (preferably to happy).

    Often it just gets me annoyed, another reason not to seek out TV for
    me... ;)

    ... Advice is usually worth what it cost. Less if you hired a
    consultant.
    And consultants should be considered that: someone to get ideas from.
    What works for them/in their mind doesn't necessarily work for you/me/
    the person being the 'consultee'. Spend good money (and time) on a
    person hired to tell you what to do (or not to do) one probably wants
    postive results: I give you money, you tell me how to fix this
    problem.
    Sometimes it is quite useful to get some expertise on a
    subject/project, especially if one has hit a snag... as long as
    the consultant does know, anyway.... ;)
    Yes - like my car's battery issue. Would seem the dealer mechanics
    would know. Well, they did know it wasn't the battery but something causing the battery to 'fail'. They just needed a hint as to where to look.

    And they did figure it out for you nicely... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Mar 6 08:47:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    And probably more the latter. Vaguely recalling I knew ahead of time
    the software was no longer registerable; at least by the attempt to register I was showing appreciation.
    Yup. And another way to show appreciation is to keep using it... although, admittedly, often there'd be no way that anyone would necessarily know that you were... <G>

    Right: I don't think 'Sedit' shows up anyplace on my source taglines.

    I have Googled for information on products/devices and have clicked to
    old and expired listings -- sometimes get "auction ended August 14,
    1997" so some very old information is being kept. Just haven't seen
    or figured out how to get to the initial listing date on eBay; Amazon usually has it. Oh well. Did find a paperback I brought in as part
    of my giveaway was listed $44-90 -- history on a local univeristy.
    Gave that one to one of the receptionists: her father had attended and seemed to imply there was more than just going there. (And no, I
    didn't tell her the price spread I had found.)
    From what Richard says, the price spreads on EBay can be totally ridiculous... one really does have to have a clue what something
    is worth before thinking of buying it there... but by the same
    token, one can also get some really good deals there.... :)

    Agree! Thought just like shopping at brick-and-mortar stores one site
    will have a super-low price while another rather high. If don't
    know/look around my not be getting a decent deal. ...Trying to sell an
    item at $100 when everyone else is $20 makes no sense: too easy to look
    around.



    Ah-ha! You do know some TV!!
    I didn't say I had had NO exposure to TV.... <G> Some things do
    stick even if only seen on occasional basis at friends' houses.... ;)
    True. "Waste of time" probably comes to your mind frequently! <jk>
    Some times just "distraction".... which isn't always bad... <G>
    True: provides relief, or a mood-changer (preferably to happy).
    Often it just gets me annoyed, another reason not to seek out TV
    for me... ;)

    Some (most!) of the shows have no interest to us. Remember a few shows
    we stopped watching just because 'annoying' - can have a bad/mediocre
    show occasionally but....


    ... Advice is usually worth what it cost. Less if you hired a
    consultant.
    And consultants should be considered that: someone to get ideas from.
    What works for them/in their mind doesn't necessarily work for you/me/
    the person being the 'consultee'. Spend good money (and time) on a
    person hired to tell you what to do (or not to do) one probably wants
    postive results: I give you money, you tell me how to fix this
    problem.
    Sometimes it is quite useful to get some expertise on a
    subject/project, especially if one has hit a snag... as long as
    the consultant does know, anyway.... ;)
    Yes - like my car's battery issue. Would seem the dealer mechanics
    would know. Well, they did know it wasn't the battery but something causing the battery to 'fail'. They just needed a hint as to where to look.
    And they did figure it out for you nicely... :)

    Yes, no more mystery lock/unlock issues and tires are holding pressure.
    Both corrected because of a presumed battery issue.

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Mar 12 23:13:28 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 06-Mar-2020 08:47 <=-

    And probably more the latter. Vaguely recalling I knew ahead of time
    the software was no longer registerable; at least by the attempt to
    register I was showing appreciation.
    Yup. And another way to show appreciation is to keep using it...
    although, admittedly, often there'd be no way that anyone would
    necessarily know that you were... <G>
    Right: I don't think 'Sedit' shows up anyplace on my source taglines.

    Not that I've seen... MultiMail gets credit, though... :)

    I have Googled for information on products/devices and have clicked to
    old and expired listings -- sometimes get "auction ended August 14,
    1997" so some very old information is being kept. Just haven't seen
    or figured out how to get to the initial listing date on eBay; Amazon
    usually has it. Oh well. Did find a paperback I brought in as part
    of my giveaway was listed $44-90 -- history on a local univeristy.
    Gave that one to one of the receptionists: her father had attended and
    seemed to imply there was more than just going there. (And no, I
    didn't tell her the price spread I had found.)
    From what Richard says, the price spreads on EBay can be totally
    ridiculous... one really does have to have a clue what something is
    worth before thinking of buying it there... but by the same token,
    one can also get some really good deals there.... :)
    Agree! Though just like shopping at brick-and-mortar stores one site
    will have a super-low price while another rather high. If don't
    know/look around may not be getting a decent deal.

    Less likely to have that sort of price spread at brick-and-mortar,
    though...

    ...Trying to sell an item at $100 when everyone else is $20 makes no sense: too easy to look around.

    But probably enough people don't look around, and do take the first
    price they see, for the sellers to get away with it....

    Ah-ha! You do know some TV!!
    I didn't say I had had NO exposure to TV.... <G> Some things do
    stick even if only seen on occasional basis at friends' houses.... ;)
    True. "Waste of time" probably comes to your mind frequently! <jk>
    Some times just "distraction".... which isn't always bad... <G>
    True: provides relief, or a mood-changer (preferably to happy). Often
    it just gets me annoyed, another reason not to seek out TV for me... ;)
    Some (most!) of the shows have no interest to us. Remember a few
    shows we stopped watching just because 'annoying' - can have a bad/mediocre show occasionally but....

    And that's a large part of my just not bothering with TV at all any
    more... ;)

    ... Advice is usually worth what it cost. Less if you hired a
    consultant.
    And consultants should be considered that: someone to get ideas from.
    What works for them/in their mind doesn't necessarily work for you/me/
    the person being the 'consultee'. Spend good money (and time) on a
    person hired to tell you what to do (or not to do) one probably wants
    positive results: I give you money, you tell me how to fix this
    problem.
    Sometimes it is quite useful to get some expertise on a subject/
    project, especially if one has hit a snag... as long as the
    consultant does know, anyway.... ;)
    Yes - like my car's battery issue. Would seem the dealer mechanics
    would know. Well, they did know it wasn't the battery but something
    causing the battery to 'fail'. They just needed a hint as to where to
    look.
    And they did figure it out for you nicely... :)
    Yes, no more mystery lock/unlock issues and tires are holding
    pressure. Both corrected because of a presumed battery issue.

    Yup.

    ttyl neb

    ... Not Ready Error reading user's mind.

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Mar 13 09:40:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    And probably more the latter. Vaguely recalling I knew ahead of time
    the software was no longer registerable; at least by the attempt to
    register I was showing appreciation.
    Yup. And another way to show appreciation is to keep using it...
    although, admittedly, often there'd be no way that anyone would
    necessarily know that you were... <G>
    Right: I don't think 'Sedit' shows up anyplace on my source taglines.
    Not that I've seen... MultiMail gets credit, though... :)

    Last one gets the credit!


    I have Googled for information on products/devices and have clicked to
    old and expired listings -- sometimes get "auction ended August 14,
    1997" so some very old information is being kept. Just haven't seen
    or figured out how to get to the initial listing date on eBay; Amazon
    usually has it. Oh well. Did find a paperback I brought in as part
    of my giveaway was listed $44-90 -- history on a local univeristy.
    Gave that one to one of the receptionists: her father had attended and
    seemed to imply there was more than just going there. (And no, I
    didn't tell her the price spread I had found.)
    From what Richard says, the price spreads on EBay can be totally
    ridiculous... one really does have to have a clue what something is
    worth before thinking of buying it there... but by the same token,
    one can also get some really good deals there.... :)
    Agree! Though just like shopping at brick-and-mortar stores one site
    will have a super-low price while another rather high. If don't
    know/look around may not be getting a decent deal.
    Less likely to have that sort of price spread at
    brick-and-mortar, though...

    A lot of times competitors will be shopped to check pricing. Or used to
    be -- probably now do the same thing we do at home is check various web
    sites. As far as eBay, quite sure they do the same thing amongst each
    other, just still find it odd there is a large spread even in the low
    price group: one witl sell for $5 and another $7, though have sometimes
    found the higher priced is better if look for multiple quantities: need
    two, so the $5 one is $10 total, but a higher-priced offering is giving discounts if buy more than one.


    ...Trying to sell an item at $100 when everyone else is $20 makes no sense: too easy to look around.
    But probably enough people don't look around, and do take the
    first price they see, for the sellers to get away with it....

    Ky suggested in another conference (or maybe it was this one) a legal
    way to move drug and other not-legally-approved monies.


    Ah-ha! You do know some TV!!
    I didn't say I had had NO exposure to TV.... <G> Some things do
    stick even if only seen on occasional basis at friends' houses.... ;)
    True. "Waste of time" probably comes to your mind frequently! <jk>
    Some times just "distraction".... which isn't always bad... <G>
    True: provides relief, or a mood-changer (preferably to happy). Often
    it just gets me annoyed, another reason not to seek out TV for me... ;)
    Some (most!) of the shows have no interest to us. Remember a few
    shows we stopped watching just because 'annoying' - can have a bad/mediocre show occasionally but....
    And that's a large part of my just not bothering with TV at all
    any more... ;)

    Every show became annoying!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Mar 25 17:32:10 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 13-Mar-2020 09:40 <=-

    And probably more the latter. Vaguely recalling I knew ahead of time
    the software was no longer registerable; at least by the attempt to
    register I was showing appreciation.
    Yup. And another way to show appreciation is to keep using it...
    although, admittedly, often there'd be no way that anyone would
    necessarily know that you were... <G>
    Right: I don't think 'Sedit' shows up anyplace on my source taglines.
    Not that I've seen... MultiMail gets credit, though... :)
    Last one gets the credit!

    Yup, generally so, as there is only one line available for that sort of credit.... although, I think I vaguely remember seeing some messages
    with multiple lines of that sort.... probably something that someone set
    up on their own....

    I have Googled for information on products/devices and have clicked to
    old and expired listings -- sometimes get "auction ended August 14,
    1997" so some very old information is being kept. Just haven't seen
    or figured out how to get to the initial listing date on eBay; Amazon
    usually has it. Oh well. Did find a paperback I brought in as part
    of my giveaway was listed $44-90 -- history on a local univeristy.
    Gave that one to one of the receptionists: her father had attended and
    seemed to imply there was more than just going there. (And no, I
    didn't tell her the price spread I had found.)
    From what Richard says, the price spreads on EBay can be totally
    ridiculous... one really does have to have a clue what something is
    worth before thinking of buying it there... but by the same token,
    one can also get some really good deals there.... :)
    Agree! Though just like shopping at brick-and-mortar stores one site
    will have a super-low price while another rather high. If don't
    know/look around may not be getting a decent deal.
    Less likely to have that sort of price spread at brick-and-mortar,
    though...
    A lot of times competitors will be shopped to check pricing. Or used
    to be -- probably now do the same thing we do at home is check various
    web sites.

    B&M probably do do at least some of the price-checking in person,
    locally... of course, there are almost always some "wicked deal" or loss
    leader sales, but generally they do stay rather close to each other...
    or boast about how they've got the lowest prices in town... <G>

    As far as eBay, quite sure they do the same thing amongst each other,
    just still find it odd there is a large spread even in the low price group: one witl sell for $5 and another $7, though have sometimes
    found the higher priced is better if look for multiple quantities:
    need two, so the $5 one is $10 total, but a higher-priced offering is giving discounts if buy more than one.

    Or one is charging shipping and the other one not.... The thing is that
    eBay is made up of lots of individual sellers (some from their home,
    some as a business and some in-between), some of which are going for
    whatever the market might bear, and some that are just trying to sell
    for something reasonable...

    ...Trying to sell an item at $100 when everyone else is $20 makes no
    sense: too easy to look around.
    But probably enough people don't look around, and do take the
    first price they see, for the sellers to get away with it....
    Ky suggested in another conference (or maybe it was this one) a legal
    way to move drug and other not-legally-approved monies.

    Probably another conference, as I don't recall the conversation... but
    that could also be a factor in some cases....

    Ah-ha! You do know some TV!!
    I didn't say I had had NO exposure to TV.... <G> Some things do
    stick even if only seen on occasional basis at friends' houses.... ;)
    True. "Waste of time" probably comes to your mind frequently! <jk>
    Some times just "distraction".... which isn't always bad... <G>
    True: provides relief, or a mood-changer (preferably to happy). Often
    it just gets me annoyed, another reason not to seek out TV for me... ;)
    Some (most!) of the shows have no interest to us. Remember a few
    shows we stopped watching just because 'annoying' - can have a
    bad/mediocre show occasionally but....
    And that's a large part of my just not bothering with TV at all
    any more... ;)
    Every show became annoying!

    Pretty much, at some point.... ;) And the ones that probably would have
    held my interest, I'd either not know about or would forget about when
    it actually showed... or Richard would be watching something else...
    And now the only TV in the house isn't exactly easily accessible for
    me.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Mar 26 07:37:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    And probably more the latter. Vaguely recalling I knew ahead of time
    the software was no longer registerable; at least by the attempt to
    register I was showing appreciation.
    Yup. And another way to show appreciation is to keep using it...
    although, admittedly, often there'd be no way that anyone would
    necessarily know that you were... <G>
    Right: I don't think 'Sedit' shows up anyplace on my source taglines.
    Not that I've seen... MultiMail gets credit, though... :)
    Last one gets the credit!
    Yup, generally so, as there is only one line available for that
    sort of credit.... although, I think I vaguely remember seeing
    some messages with multiple lines of that sort.... probably
    something that someone set up on their own....

    There are always ways to modify and expand; it's a matter of others to
    use this new 'standard'.


    I have Googled for information on products/devices and have clicked to
    old and expired listings -- sometimes get "auction ended August 14,
    1997" so some very old information is being kept. Just haven't seen
    or figured out how to get to the initial listing date on eBay; Amazon
    usually has it. Oh well. Did find a paperback I brought in as part
    of my giveaway was listed $44-90 -- history on a local univeristy.
    Gave that one to one of the receptionists: her father had attended and
    seemed to imply there was more than just going there. (And no, I
    didn't tell her the price spread I had found.)
    From what Richard says, the price spreads on EBay can be totally
    ridiculous... one really does have to have a clue what something is
    worth before thinking of buying it there... but by the same token,
    one can also get some really good deals there.... :)
    Agree! Though just like shopping at brick-and-mortar stores one site
    will have a super-low price while another rather high. If don't
    know/look around may not be getting a decent deal.
    Less likely to have that sort of price spread at brick-and-mortar,
    though...
    A lot of times competitors will be shopped to check pricing. Or used
    to be -- probably now do the same thing we do at home is check various
    web sites.
    B&M probably do do at least some of the price-checking in person, locally... of course, there are almost always some "wicked deal"
    or loss leader sales, but generally they do stay rather close to
    each other... or boast about how they've got the lowest prices in
    town... <G>

    ,,,By one cent! Also have to watch sizes/capacities/fabrics, etc.:
    Store A may have a 10 oz. bottle while Store B has 11 oz. Know with
    Large Applances at the store the various competitors (and my store) got
    around price matching for the same model as wasn't quite the same model:
    got a different model number because something was changed.


    As far as eBay, quite sure they do the same thing amongst each other,
    just still find it odd there is a large spread even in the low price group: one witl sell for $5 and another $7, though have sometimes
    found the higher priced is better if look for multiple quantities:
    need two, so the $5 one is $10 total, but a higher-priced offering is giving discounts if buy more than one.
    Or one is charging shipping and the other one not.... The thing
    is that eBay is made up of lots of individual sellers (some from
    their home, some as a business and some in-between), some of
    which are going for whatever the market might bear, and some that
    are just trying to sell for something reasonable...

    Right. If I were to sell I'd not be in it for a profit and weekly
    paycheck; I'd be in it more to get rid of stuff and maybe get a bit of
    my original investment back. There might be (probably!) pricing
    guidelines, or maybe self-guidelines: if he's selling it for $25 if I
    sell it for $24 I might get the business.

    And I think I wrote a while back where I paid a dollar more for the same
    item (may have been the same seller) and got the better deal because
    that one had free shipping. Actually saved money by paying more.


    ...Trying to sell an item at $100 when everyone else is $20 makes no
    sense: too easy to look around.
    But probably enough people don't look around, and do take the
    first price they see, for the sellers to get away with it....
    Ky suggested in another conference (or maybe it was this one) a legal
    way to move drug and other not-legally-approved monies.
    Probably another conference, as I don't recall the
    conversation... but that could also be a factor in some cases....

    Also would seem like those selling that way would be an easy target: law enforcement goes on-line, selects 'Pricing: High to Low', does a bit of checking as to why the high price, start searching for the seller.



    Ah-ha! You do know some TV!!
    I didn't say I had had NO exposure to TV.... <G> Some things do
    stick even if only seen on occasional basis at friends' houses.... ;)
    True. "Waste of time" probably comes to your mind frequently! <jk>
    Some times just "distraction".... which isn't always bad... <G>
    True: provides relief, or a mood-changer (preferably to happy). Often
    it just gets me annoyed, another reason not to seek out TV for me... ;)
    Some (most!) of the shows have no interest to us. Remember a few
    shows we stopped watching just because 'annoying' - can have a
    bad/mediocre show occasionally but....
    And that's a large part of my just not bothering with TV at all
    any more... ;)
    Every show became annoying!
    Pretty much, at some point.... ;) And the ones that probably
    would have held my interest, I'd either not know about or would
    forget about when it actually showed... or Richard would be
    watching something else... And now the only TV in the house isn't
    exactly easily accessible for me.... ;)

    So even less TV! ...Just different forms of entertainment. :)

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Apr 1 18:59:08 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 26-Mar-2020 07:37 <=-

    Vaguely recalling I knew ahead of time the software was no longer
    registerable; at least by the attempt to register I was showing
    appreciation.
    Yup. And another way to show appreciation is to keep using it...
    although, admittedly, often there'd be no way that anyone would
    necessarily know that you were... <G>
    Right: I don't think 'Sedit' shows up anyplace on my source taglines.
    Not that I've seen... MultiMail gets credit, though... :)
    Last one gets the credit!
    Yup, generally so, as there is only one line available for that sort
    of credit... although, I think I vaguely remember seeing some messages
    with multiple lines of that sort.... probably something that someone
    set up on their own....
    There are always ways to modify and expand; it's a matter of others to
    use this new 'standard'.

    I was thinking more of an individual thing... not something to become a
    new standard.... and besides, old software wouldn't know about any new standards, so wouldn't/couldn't be using them... :)

    From what Richard says, the price spreads on EBay can be totally
    ridiculous... one really does have to have a clue what something is
    worth before thinking of buying it there... but by the same token,
    one can also get some really good deals there.... :)
    Agree! Though just like shopping at brick-and-mortar stores one site
    will have a super-low price while another rather high. If don't
    know/look around may not be getting a decent deal.
    Less likely to have that sort of price spread at brick-and-mortar,
    though...
    A lot of times competitors will be shopped to check pricing. Or used
    to be -- probably now do the same thing we do at home is check various
    web sites.
    B&M probably do do at least some of the price-checking in person,
    locally... of course, there are almost always some "wicked deal" or
    loss leader sales, but generally they do stay rather close to each
    other... or boast about how they've got the lowest prices in town...
    ,,,By one cent! Also have to watch sizes/capacities/fabrics, etc.:
    Store A may have a 10 oz. bottle while Store B has 11 oz.

    Wegmans is pretty good about comparing equivalents.... of course, they
    probably pick items where they do have the price advantage... ;) A
    poster with all the available items would be too big, so they only list
    a dozen or so... ;)

    Know with
    Large Applances at the store the various competitors (and my store)
    got around price matching for the same model as wasn't quite the same model: got a different model number because something was changed.

    And manufacturers would likely make minor changes from one chain to
    another anyway... call it something for one store and another sub-brand
    name for another.... :) So of course the model number would have to be different... :)

    As far as eBay, quite sure they do the same thing amongst each other,
    just still find it odd there is a large spread even in the low price
    group: one witl sell for $5 and another $7, though have sometimes
    found the higher priced is better if look for multiple quantities:
    need two, so the $5 one is $10 total, but a higher-priced offering is
    giving discounts if buy more than one.
    Or one is charging shipping and the other one not.... The thing is
    that eBay is made up of lots of individual sellers (some from their
    home, some as a business and some in-between), some of which are
    going for whatever the market might bear, and some that are just
    trying to sell for something reasonable...
    Right. If I were to sell I'd not be in it for a profit and weekly paycheck; I'd be in it more to get rid of stuff and maybe get a bit of
    my original investment back. There might be (probably!) pricing guidelines, or maybe self-guidelines: if he's selling it for $25 if I
    sell it for $24 I might get the business.

    Some people are more reasoned than others in setting prices... :)

    And I think I wrote a while back where I paid a dollar more for the
    same item (may have been the same seller) and got the better deal
    because that one had free shipping. Actually saved money by paying
    more.

    You probably did mention that before... and yes, the buyer needs to take
    all sorts of things into consideration to be sure that it is the best
    deal... ;)

    ...Trying to sell an item at $100 when everyone else is $20 makes no
    sense: too easy to look around.
    But probably enough people don't look around, and do take the
    first price they see, for the sellers to get away with it....
    Ky suggested in another conference (or maybe it was this one) a legal
    way to move drug and other not-legally-approved monies.
    Probably another conference, as I don't recall the conversation...
    but that could also be a factor in some cases....
    Also would seem like those selling that way would be an easy target:
    law enforcement goes on-line, selects 'Pricing: High to Low', does a
    bit of checking as to why the high price, start searching for the
    seller.

    Money laundering could as easily be done with median-priced items, so
    law enforcement might not be able to spot it all that easily....

    Some (most!) of the shows have no interest to us. Remember a few
    shows we stopped watching just because 'annoying' - can have a
    bad/mediocre show occasionally but....
    And that's a large part of my just not bothering with TV at all
    any more... ;)
    Every show became annoying!
    Pretty much, at some point.... ;) And the ones that probably would
    have held my interest, I'd either not know about or would forget about
    when it actually showed... or Richard would be watching something
    else... And now the only TV in the house isn't exactly easily
    accessible for me.... ;)
    So even less TV! ...Just different forms of entertainment. :)

    Exactly... there's bbsing, reading... and so forth.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Apr 2 12:17:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Vaguely recalling I knew ahead of time the software was no longer
    registerable; at least by the attempt to register I was showing
    appreciation.
    Yup. And another way to show appreciation is to keep using it...
    although, admittedly, often there'd be no way that anyone would
    necessarily know that you were... <G>
    Right: I don't think 'Sedit' shows up anyplace on my source taglines.
    Not that I've seen... MultiMail gets credit, though... :)
    Last one gets the credit!
    Yup, generally so, as there is only one line available for that sort
    of credit... although, I think I vaguely remember seeing some messages
    with multiple lines of that sort.... probably something that someone
    set up on their own....
    There are always ways to modify and expand; it's a matter of others to
    use this new 'standard'.
    I was thinking more of an individual thing... not something to
    become a new standard.... and besides, old software wouldn't know
    about any new standards, so wouldn't/couldn't be using them... :)

    You're right: most old software does use the old standards! (I'm soooo
    in trouble for that one!) Generally nicer when the new standard has compatibility with the old - thinking like USB 3 is backwards compatible
    with USB 2. OTOH sometimes just not possible: digital TV, though there
    are adapters for the analog sets.



    From what Richard says, the price spreads on EBay can be totally
    ridiculous... one really does have to have a clue what something is
    worth before thinking of buying it there... but by the same token,
    one can also get some really good deals there.... :)
    Agree! Though just like shopping at brick-and-mortar stores one site
    will have a super-low price while another rather high. If don't
    know/look around may not be getting a decent deal.
    Less likely to have that sort of price spread at brick-and-mortar,
    though...
    A lot of times competitors will be shopped to check pricing. Or used
    to be -- probably now do the same thing we do at home is check various
    web sites.
    B&M probably do do at least some of the price-checking in person,
    locally... of course, there are almost always some "wicked deal" or
    loss leader sales, but generally they do stay rather close to each
    other... or boast about how they've got the lowest prices in town...
    ,,,By one cent! Also have to watch sizes/capacities/fabrics, etc.:
    Store A may have a 10 oz. bottle while Store B has 11 oz.
    Wegmans is pretty good about comparing equivalents.... of course,
    they probably pick items where they do have the price
    advantage... ;) A poster with all the available items would be
    too big, so they only list a dozen or so... ;)

    Probably would pick just the ones advantageous to them! OTOH
    _occasionally_ could do something where a competitor had a lower price,
    red-X through the higher Wegman's price and show the new lower price.



    Know with
    Large Applances at the store the various competitors (and my store)
    got around price matching for the same model as wasn't quite the same model: got a different model number because something was changed.
    And manufacturers would likely make minor changes from one chain
    to another anyway... call it something for one store and another
    sub-brand name for another.... :) So of course the model number
    would have to be different... :)

    Right, though I'm remembering one specific incident a few years before I retired with a national brand sold by us and another store up the Mall.
    IIRC the only difference was a blue interior light instead of white --
    that different model numbers (of course), and so could not be price-
    matched which (irritated) the salesman to a high degree as the
    competitor was lower in price and he was loosing sales (and so
    commission).


    And I think I wrote a while back where I paid a dollar more for the
    same item (may have been the same seller) and got the better deal
    because that one had free shipping. Actually saved money by paying
    more.
    You probably did mention that before... and yes, the buyer needs
    to take all sorts of things into consideration to be sure that it
    is the best deal... ;)

    On-line I will look around a bit for best or at least better deals:
    spending an hour on-line to save a penny isn't my way of shopping. Brick-and-mortar shopping -- how much I price compare depends on the
    price and item: I usualy start off knowing such-and-such store has
    decent prices, so if I like the item it gets purchased - done! OTOH a thousand-dollar refrigerator, we're spending time to get a good price
    plus the features we want!


    ...Trying to sell an item at $100 when everyone else is $20 makes no
    sense: too easy to look around.
    But probably enough people don't look around, and do take the
    first price they see, for the sellers to get away with it....
    Ky suggested in another conference (or maybe it was this one) a legal
    way to move drug and other not-legally-approved monies.
    Probably another conference, as I don't recall the conversation...
    but that could also be a factor in some cases....
    Also would seem like those selling that way would be an easy target:
    law enforcement goes on-line, selects 'Pricing: High to Low', does a
    bit of checking as to why the high price, start searching for the
    seller.
    Money laundering could as easily be done with median-priced
    items, so law enforcement might not be able to spot it all that
    easily....

    True: "hiding in the crowd" seems safer than "out in the open" with you've-got-to-be-kidding prices.



    Some (most!) of the shows have no interest to us. Remember a few
    shows we stopped watching just because 'annoying' - can have a
    bad/mediocre show occasionally but....
    And that's a large part of my just not bothering with TV at all
    any more... ;)
    Every show became annoying!
    Pretty much, at some point.... ;) And the ones that probably would
    have held my interest, I'd either not know about or would forget about
    when it actually showed... or Richard would be watching something
    else... And now the only TV in the house isn't exactly easily
    accessible for me.... ;)
    So even less TV! ...Just different forms of entertainment. :)
    Exactly... there's bbsing, reading... and so forth.... :)

    And somes times one feels like reading and sometimes not. :)


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Apr 10 23:07:42 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 02-Apr-2020 12:17 <=-

    Right: I don't think 'Sedit' shows up anyplace on my source taglines.
    Not that I've seen... MultiMail gets credit, though... :)
    Last one gets the credit!
    Yup, generally so, as there is only one line available for that sort
    of credit... although, I think I vaguely remember seeing some messages
    with multiple lines of that sort.... probably something that someone
    set up on their own....
    There are always ways to modify and expand; it's a matter of others to
    use this new 'standard'.
    I was thinking more of an individual thing... not something to
    become a new standard.... and besides, old software wouldn't know
    about any new standards, so wouldn't/couldn't be using them... :)
    You're right: most old software does use the old standards! (I'm
    soooo in trouble for that one!)

    That is, however, how many people seem to think... Everyone is supposed
    to jump on the bandwagon of the newest and supposedly greatest... why
    keep old just because it works fine as it is...

    Generally nicer when the new standard has compatibility with the old
    - thinking like USB 3 is backwards compatible with USB 2.

    I'm a firm believer in backwards compatibility... even though I get
    laughed at for expressing that....

    OTOH sometimes just not possible: digital TV, though there are adapters for the analog sets.

    A form of backwards adaptability, anyway.... ;)

    A lot of times competitors will be shopped to check pricing. Or used
    to be -- probably now do the same thing we do at home is check various
    web sites.
    B&M probably do do at least some of the price-checking in person,
    locally... of course, there are almost always some "wicked deal" or
    loss leader sales, but generally they do stay rather close to each
    other... or boast about how they've got the lowest prices in town...
    ,,,By one cent! Also have to watch sizes/capacities/fabrics, etc.:
    Store A may have a 10 oz. bottle while Store B has 11 oz.
    Wegmans is pretty good about comparing equivalents.... of course, they
    probably pick items where they do have the price advantage... ;) A
    poster with all the available items would be too big, so they only
    list a dozen or so... ;)
    Probably would pick just the ones advantageous to them! OTOH _occasionally_ could do something where a competitor had a lower
    price, red-X through the higher Wegman's price and show the new lower price.

    I haven't seen that sort of thing done, at least not at Wegmans... if I
    were to shop the other stores more, I'd not be too surprised to find
    they had listings which put them in a more favorable light against the
    other stores, though...

    Know with
    Large Applances at the store the various competitors (and my store)
    got around price matching for the same model as wasn't quite the same
    model: got a different model number because something was changed.
    And manufacturers would likely make minor changes from one chain to
    another anyway... call it something for one store and another sub-
    brand name for another.... :) So of course the model number would
    have to be different... :)
    Right, though I'm remembering one specific incident a few years before
    I retired with a national brand sold by us and another store up the
    Mall. IIRC the only difference was a blue interior light instead of
    white -- that different model numbers (of course), and so could not be price- matched which (irritated) the salesman to a high degree as the competitor was lower in price and he was loosing sales (and so commission).

    I can see where that would be irritating... seems not particularly fair
    of the manufacturer to play along with that.... but I suppose that could
    be turned upside down, and your store could have sold it for less than
    the other store was, and thereby got the sale.... :)

    And I think I wrote a while back where I paid a dollar more for the
    same item (may have been the same seller) and got the better deal
    because that one had free shipping. Actually saved money by paying
    more.
    You probably did mention that before... and yes, the buyer needs to
    take all sorts of things into consideration to be sure that it is the
    best deal... ;)
    On-line I will look around a bit for best or at least better deals: spending an hour on-line to save a penny isn't my way of shopping. Brick-and-mortar shopping -- how much I price compare depends on the
    price and item: I usually start off knowing such-and-such store has
    decent prices, so if I like the item it gets purchased - done! OTOH a thousand-dollar refrigerator, we're spending time to get a good price
    plus the features we want!

    I don't shop online at all, but with other shopping, I do tend to know
    what the prices are at the store(s) I regularly shop at, so I know if
    something elsewhere is any sort of a deal... but generally do tend to
    shop just at certain stores anyway... :) And like you, with some major purchase, we'll be looking various places to get the price and the
    features (or lack thereof) we want...

    ...Trying to sell an item at $100 when everyone else is $20 makes no
    sense: too easy to look around.
    But probably enough people don't look around, and do take the
    first price they see, for the sellers to get away with it....
    Ky suggested in another conference (or maybe it was this one) a legal
    way to move drug and other not-legally-approved monies.
    Probably another conference, as I don't recall the conversation...
    but that could also be a factor in some cases....
    Also would seem like those selling that way would be an easy target:
    law enforcement goes on-line, selects 'Pricing: High to Low', does a
    bit of checking as to why the high price, start searching for the
    seller.
    Money laundering could as easily be done with median-priced items,
    so law enforcement might not be able to spot it all that easily....
    True: "hiding in the crowd" seems safer than "out in the open" with you've-got-to-be-kidding prices.

    The number one rule of not getting in trouble with the law is Don't
    Attract Attention.... ;)

    And that's a large part of my just not bothering with TV at all
    any more... ;)
    Every show became annoying!
    Pretty much, at some point.... ;) And the ones that probably would
    have held my interest, I'd either not know about or would forget about
    when it actually showed... or Richard would be watching something
    else... And now the only TV in the house isn't exactly easily
    accessible for me.... ;)
    So even less TV! ...Just different forms of entertainment. :)
    Exactly... there's bbsing, reading... and so forth.... :)
    And sometimes one feels like reading and sometimes not. :)

    I have various sorts of reading available to me, as well... ;) And if
    the eyes are tired, one can always take a nap.... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Apr 11 09:14:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Right: I don't think 'Sedit' shows up anyplace on my source taglines.
    Not that I've seen... MultiMail gets credit, though... :)
    Last one gets the credit!
    Yup, generally so, as there is only one line available for that sort
    of credit... although, I think I vaguely remember seeing some messages
    with multiple lines of that sort.... probably something that someone
    set up on their own....
    There are always ways to modify and expand; it's a matter of others to
    use this new 'standard'.
    I was thinking more of an individual thing... not something to
    become a new standard.... and besides, old software wouldn't know
    about any new standards, so wouldn't/couldn't be using them... :)
    You're right: most old software does use the old standards! (I'm
    soooo in trouble for that one!)
    That is, however, how many people seem to think... Everyone is
    supposed to jump on the bandwagon of the newest and supposedly
    greatest... why keep old just because it works fine as it is...

    We're not 'everybody'! 'New and improved' might be better, but is it
    better for me? I usually don't need the latest and greatest, ...and
    I'm trying to think of an example where I did go "I gotta have that!"
    and bought. Ummm.... Not I don't embrace change, just usually wait
    until they get the kinks out (and the initial price comes down!).


    Generally nicer when the new standard has compatibility with the old
    - thinking like USB 3 is backwards compatible with USB 2.
    I'm a firm believer in backwards compatibility... even though I
    get laughed at for expressing that....

    To me makes sense: data on a USB 3 thumbdrive -- try to stick it into a
    USB 2 port and doesn't work - gaaa!! Of course some things just won't
    work together: try sticking a VHS cassette into a DVD player! Though
    they did have VHS/DVD devices - just 'cheated' and had two devices in
    one unit.



    OTOH sometimes just not possible: digital TV, though there are adapters for the analog sets.
    A form of backwards adaptability, anyway.... ;)

    True, though I'd go more 'compatible' than 'backwards compartible'.


    A lot of times competitors will be shopped to check pricing. Or used
    to be -- probably now do the same thing we do at home is check various
    web sites.
    B&M probably do do at least some of the price-checking in person,
    locally... of course, there are almost always some "wicked deal" or
    loss leader sales, but generally they do stay rather close to each
    other... or boast about how they've got the lowest prices in town...
    ,,,By one cent! Also have to watch sizes/capacities/fabrics, etc.:
    Store A may have a 10 oz. bottle while Store B has 11 oz.
    Wegmans is pretty good about comparing equivalents.... of course, they
    probably pick items where they do have the price advantage... ;) A
    poster with all the available items would be too big, so they only
    list a dozen or so... ;)
    Probably would pick just the ones advantageous to them! OTOH _occasionally_ could do something where a competitor had a lower
    price, red-X through the higher Wegman's price and show the new lower price.
    I haven't seen that sort of thing done, at least not at
    Wegmans... if I were to shop the other stores more, I'd not be
    too surprised to find they had listings which put them in a more
    favorable light against the other stores, though...

    That would tend to make sense! I've also noticed some grocery products
    have a rotation of who has it on sale this week. Noted in the past
    where Hy-Vee will have the brand of supplements I take on sale this
    week, next week Walgreens wiil, following week someone else.....


    Know with
    Large Applances at the store the various competitors (and my store)
    got around price matching for the same model as wasn't quite the same
    model: got a different model number because something was changed.
    And manufacturers would likely make minor changes from one chain to
    another anyway... call it something for one store and another sub-
    brand name for another.... :) So of course the model number would
    have to be different... :)
    Right, though I'm remembering one specific incident a few years before
    I retired with a national brand sold by us and another store up the
    Mall. IIRC the only difference was a blue interior light instead of
    white -- that different model numbers (of course), and so could not be price- matched which (irritated) the salesman to a high degree as the competitor was lower in price and he was loosing sales (and so commission).
    I can see where that would be irritating... seems not
    particularly fair of the manufacturer to play along with that....
    but I suppose that could be turned upside down, and your store
    could have sold it for less than the other store was, and thereby
    got the sale.... :)

    Yes, I suppose there is some logic down the road somewhere. Not sure if
    the manufacturer really cared: you want a blue light, buy enough, sure!
    You want with a flimsy roller that is going to break and make us look
    bad? No.


    And I think I wrote a while back where I paid a dollar more for the
    same item (may have been the same seller) and got the better deal
    because that one had free shipping. Actually saved money by paying
    more.
    You probably did mention that before... and yes, the buyer needs to
    take all sorts of things into consideration to be sure that it is the
    best deal... ;)
    On-line I will look around a bit for best or at least better deals: spending an hour on-line to save a penny isn't my way of shopping. Brick-and-mortar shopping -- how much I price compare depends on the
    price and item: I usually start off knowing such-and-such store has
    decent prices, so if I like the item it gets purchased - done! OTOH a thousand-dollar refrigerator, we're spending time to get a good price
    plus the features we want!
    I don't shop online at all, but with other shopping, I do tend to
    know what the prices are at the store(s) I regularly shop at, so
    I know if something elsewhere is any sort of a deal... but
    generally do tend to shop just at certain stores anyway... :)
    And like you, with some major purchase, we'll be looking various
    places to get the price and the features (or lack thereof) we
    want...

    Part of my 'best deal' requirements depends on where the item is going
    to be located. Washer and dryer are in the basement, on the
    'unfinished' side, so I could really care less what colour they are or
    even if they match. And 72-different washing and cooling temperatures?
    Only ever use three. OTOH the refrigerator probably needs to be white,
    maybe black, to match. Nothing wrong with stainless steel but wouldn't
    look right. We use the through-the-door water and ice, so for us is a requirment; can understand why not for other folks.

    Computer stuff I don't care to look inside except when I'm working on
    it, so clear panels, LED lighting, to me interesting for about five
    seconds. OTOH did see while back a case with a medium-resolution
    display on the case -- hmm: maybe put the weather stuff on it??!!



    ...Trying to sell an item at $100 when everyone else is $20 makes no
    sense: too easy to look around.
    But probably enough people don't look around, and do take the
    first price they see, for the sellers to get away with it....
    Ky suggested in another conference (or maybe it was this one) a legal
    way to move drug and other not-legally-approved monies.
    Probably another conference, as I don't recall the conversation...
    but that could also be a factor in some cases....
    Also would seem like those selling that way would be an easy target:
    law enforcement goes on-line, selects 'Pricing: High to Low', does a
    bit of checking as to why the high price, start searching for the
    seller.
    Money laundering could as easily be done with median-priced items,
    so law enforcement might not be able to spot it all that easily....
    True: "hiding in the crowd" seems safer than "out in the open" with you've-got-to-be-kidding prices.
    The number one rule of not getting in trouble with the law is
    Don't Attract Attention.... ;)

    <chuckle> Haven't heard/read about it lately but for a while there were
    lots of regional drug busts because the driver was speeding. 80 MPH in
    a 65 tends to attract attention!



    And that's a large part of my just not bothering with TV at all
    any more... ;)
    Every show became annoying!
    Pretty much, at some point.... ;) And the ones that probably would
    have held my interest, I'd either not know about or would forget about
    when it actually showed... or Richard would be watching something
    else... And now the only TV in the house isn't exactly easily
    accessible for me.... ;)
    So even less TV! ...Just different forms of entertainment. :)
    Exactly... there's bbsing, reading... and so forth.... :)
    And sometimes one feels like reading and sometimes not. :)
    I have various sorts of reading available to me, as well... ;)
    And if the eyes are tired, one can always take a nap.... <G>

    "I was just resting my eyes!"



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    Down the Hudson River?!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Apr 22 17:29:00 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 11-Apr-2020 09:14 <=-

    There are always ways to modify and expand; it's a matter of others to
    use this new 'standard'.
    I was thinking more of an individual thing... not something to
    become a new standard.... and besides, old software wouldn't know
    about any new standards, so wouldn't/couldn't be using them... :)
    You're right: most old software does use the old standards! (I'm
    soooo in trouble for that one!)
    That is, however, how many people seem to think... Everyone is
    supposed to jump on the bandwagon of the newest and supposedly
    greatest... why keep old just because it works fine as it is...
    We're not 'everybody'! 'New and improved' might be better, but is it better for me? I usually don't need the latest and greatest,

    Indeed. And from my point of view, not having to learn new spells is a
    major goodness... :)

    ...and I'm trying to think of an example where I did go "I gotta have that!" and bought. Ummm.... Not I don't embrace change, just usually
    wait until they get the kinks out (and the initial price comes down!).

    Richard's more likely to go for change than I am... but he also waits
    for the kinks to be taken care of and the price to come down... :)

    Generally nicer when the new standard has compatibility with the old
    - thinking like USB 3 is backwards compatible with USB 2.
    I'm a firm believer in backwards compatibility... even though I
    get laughed at for expressing that....
    To me makes sense: data on a USB 3 thumbdrive -- try to stick it into
    a USB 2 port and doesn't work - gaaa!! Of course some things just
    won't work together: try sticking a VHS cassette into a DVD player! Though they did have VHS/DVD devices - just 'cheated' and had two
    devices in one unit.

    On my computer, the tower has a zipdrive disk slot, and a CD-ROM... and
    also, in one slot of the tower a dual drive with a slot for each of the
    3 1/2 and the 5 1/4 floppies... The original computer had a drive for
    the SSSD disks and another for the DSHD disks... that still sits to the
    side of the computer desk, with the printer sitting atop it... :)

    What I use for a laptop, though, keeps getting upgraded.... recently
    Richard replaced the one I was using (that was having the battery
    issues) with a Dell.... much larger, different capabilities, etc... I'm
    working on familiarizing myself with it...

    Wegmans is pretty good about comparing equivalents.... of course, they
    probably pick items where they do have the price advantage... ;) A
    poster with all the available items would be too big, so they only
    list a dozen or so... ;)
    Probably would pick just the ones advantageous to them! OTOH
    _occasionally_ could do something where a competitor had a lower
    price, red-X through the higher Wegman's price and show the new lower
    price.
    I haven't seen that sort of thing done, at least not at Wegmans... if
    I were to shop the other stores more, I'd not be too surprised to
    find they had listings which put them in a more favorable light
    against the other stores, though...
    That would tend to make sense! I've also noticed some grocery
    products have a rotation of who has it on sale this week. Noted in the past where Hy-Vee will have the brand of supplements I take on sale
    this week, next week Walgreens wiil, following week someone else.....

    There aren't a lot of things I pay attention to the circulars for... if
    the sale is actually originating from the manufacturer/supplier, it
    could make sense to have the sales "make the rounds" of the different
    stores, though...

    Right, though I'm remembering one specific incident a few years before
    I retired with a national brand sold by us and another store up the
    Mall. IIRC the only difference was a blue interior light instead of
    white -- that different model numbers (of course), and so could not be
    price- matched which (irritated) the salesman to a high degree as the
    competitor was lower in price and he was loosing sales (and so
    commission).
    I can see where that would be irritating... seems not particularly
    fair of the manufacturer to play along with that.... but I suppose
    that could be turned upside down, and your store could have sold it
    for less than the other store was, and thereby got the sale.... :)
    Yes, I suppose there is some logic down the road somewhere. Not sure
    if the manufacturer really cared: you want a blue light, buy enough,
    sure! You want with a flimsy roller that is going to break and make us look bad? No.

    The differentiating at least needs to uphold the quality of the product,
    after all... ;)

    On-line I will look around a bit for best or at least better deals:
    spending an hour on-line to save a penny isn't my way of shopping.
    Brick-and-mortar shopping -- how much I price compare depends on the
    price and item: I usually start off knowing such-and-such store has
    decent prices, so if I like the item it gets purchased - done! OTOH a
    thousand-dollar refrigerator, we're spending time to get a good price
    plus the features we want!
    I don't shop online at all, but with other shopping, I do tend to know
    what the prices are at the store(s) I regularly shop at, so I know if
    something elsewhere is any sort of a deal... but generally do tend to
    shop just at certain stores anyway... :) And like you, with some
    major purchase, we'll be looking various places to get the price and
    and the features (or lack thereof) we want...
    Part of my 'best deal' requirements depends on where the item is going
    to be located. Washer and dryer are in the basement, on the
    'unfinished' side, so I could really care less what colour they are or even if they match. And 72-different washing and cooling
    temperatures? Only ever use three. OTOH the refrigerator probably
    needs to be white, maybe black, to match. Nothing wrong with stainless steel but wouldn't look right. We use the through-the-door water and
    ice, so for us is a requirment; can understand why not for other folks.

    We'd be similar on the washer/dryer to you... but for us, the water and
    ice in/on the fridge would be a liability... we'd just as soon have the
    extra space they consume available, as well... but we would be a little
    more particular about the color....

    Computer stuff I don't care to look inside except when I'm working on
    it, so clear panels, LED lighting, to me interesting for about five seconds. OTOH did see while back a case with a medium-resolution
    display on the case -- hmm: maybe put the weather stuff on it??!!

    Yup, some of the bells and whistles are just distractions... ;) But if
    one has a valid use for it, then maybe.... ;)

    Also would seem like those selling that way would be an easy target:
    law enforcement goes on-line, selects 'Pricing: High to Low', does a
    bit of checking as to why the high price, start searching for the
    seller.
    Money laundering could as easily be done with median-priced items,
    so law enforcement might not be able to spot it all that easily....
    True: "hiding in the crowd" seems safer than "out in the open" with
    you've-got-to-be-kidding prices.
    The number one rule of not getting in trouble with the law is Don't
    Attract Attention.... ;)
    <chuckle> Haven't heard/read about it lately but for a while there
    were lots of regional drug busts because the driver was speeding. 80
    MPH in a 65 tends to attract attention!

    Contenders for the Darwin Award, I'd say... <G>

    ttyl neb

    ... I like my eggs hatched, raised, plucked & fried in crispy batter

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Apr 23 10:33:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    There are always ways to modify and expand; it's a matter of others to
    use this new 'standard'.
    I was thinking more of an individual thing... not something to
    become a new standard.... and besides, old software wouldn't know
    about any new standards, so wouldn't/couldn't be using them... :)
    You're right: most old software does use the old standards! (I'm
    soooo in trouble for that one!)
    That is, however, how many people seem to think... Everyone is
    supposed to jump on the bandwagon of the newest and supposedly
    greatest... why keep old just because it works fine as it is...
    We're not 'everybody'! 'New and improved' might be better, but is it better for me? I usually don't need the latest and greatest,
    Indeed. And from my point of view, not having to learn new
    spells is a major goodness... :)

    True! And sometimes with the new they took away an option used by a
    Magic Spell so no longer works. May be 'new' but for that option not an 'improved'.


    ...and I'm trying to think of an example where I did go "I gotta have that!" and bought. Ummm.... Not I don't embrace change, just usually
    wait until they get the kinks out (and the initial price comes down!).
    Richard's more likely to go for change than I am... but he also
    waits for the kinks to be taken care of and the price to come
    down... :)

    Here too: glad there are those someones who buy the "latest and
    greatest" and so effectively test out for me.


    Generally nicer when the new standard has compatibility with the old
    - thinking like USB 3 is backwards compatible with USB 2.
    I'm a firm believer in backwards compatibility... even though I
    get laughed at for expressing that....
    To me makes sense: data on a USB 3 thumbdrive -- try to stick it into
    a USB 2 port and doesn't work - gaaa!! Of course some things just
    won't work together: try sticking a VHS cassette into a DVD player!
    Though they did have VHS/DVD devices - just 'cheated' and had two
    devices in one unit.
    On my computer, the tower has a zipdrive disk slot, and a
    CD-ROM... and also, in one slot of the tower a dual drive with a
    slot for each of the 3 1/2 and the 5 1/4 floppies... The original
    computer had a drive for the SSSD disks and another for the DSHD
    disks... that still sits to the side of the computer desk, with
    the printer sitting atop it... :)

    Years back I purchasd a refurbished computer with a Zipdrive in it;
    didn't buy the computer just because of the Zipdrive but did select it
    over another one without -- at the time figured could be handy to have
    the Zipdrive. Never did get used (no media).

    Also have 3«- and 5¬-inch drives -- stored. Used to install on a
    computer as I was building but used less and less until not at all. I
    did get a 3«" USB floppy several years back (probably a lot longer than 'several') but haven't used that in I don't know how long.



    What I use for a laptop, though, keeps getting upgraded....
    recently Richard replaced the one I was using (that was having
    the battery issues) with a Dell.... much larger, different
    capabilities, etc... I'm working on familiarizing myself with
    it...

    I never quite got in to laptops and notebooks. Have, just rarely use;
    prefer the bigger screen, a full-sized keyboard, etc. I know can plug
    those into the laptop. I guess more started because when I was away
    from the computer I didn't want it following me: if I'm outside I want
    to take a break from the computer.



    Wegmans is pretty good about comparing equivalents.... of course, they
    probably pick items where they do have the price advantage... ;) A
    poster with all the available items would be too big, so they only
    list a dozen or so... ;)
    Probably would pick just the ones advantageous to them! OTOH
    _occasionally_ could do something where a competitor had a lower
    price, red-X through the higher Wegman's price and show the new lower
    price.
    I haven't seen that sort of thing done, at least not at Wegmans... if
    I were to shop the other stores more, I'd not be too surprised to
    find they had listings which put them in a more favorable light
    against the other stores, though...
    That would tend to make sense! I've also noticed some grocery
    products have a rotation of who has it on sale this week. Noted in the past where Hy-Vee will have the brand of supplements I take on sale
    this week, next week Walgreens will, following week someone else.....
    There aren't a lot of things I pay attention to the circulars
    for... if the sale is actually originating from the
    manufacturer/supplier, it could make sense to have the sales
    "make the rounds" of the different stores, though...

    About the only thing we compare for price is the Christmas Turkey. I
    don't think have ever purchased at Hy-Vee because it seems their offer
    is always buy a ham, het a free turkey. We don't need a ham!
    Schnuck's, Target. Walmart, Aldi usually have a week with a super-cheap
    price and get it then, making room in the freezer here until time to
    thaw.



    Right, though I'm remembering one specific incident a few years before
    I retired with a national brand sold by us and another store up the
    Mall. IIRC the only difference was a blue interior light instead of
    white -- that different model numbers (of course), and so could not be
    price- matched which (irritated) the salesman to a high degree as the
    competitor was lower in price and he was loosing sales (and so
    commission).
    I can see where that would be irritating... seems not particularly
    fair of the manufacturer to play along with that.... but I suppose
    that could be turned upside down, and your store could have sold it
    for less than the other store was, and thereby got the sale.... :)
    Yes, I suppose there is some logic down the road somewhere. Not sure
    if the manufacturer really cared: you want a blue light, buy enough,
    sure! You want with a flimsy roller that is going to break and make us look bad? No.
    The differentiating at least needs to uphold the quality of the
    product, after all... ;)

    "Blue LEDs rule!" "White light is right!" <g> In this instance there
    were no other differences but I when we were shopping around for a
    refrigerator noting things like the shelving: open racks vs. solid
    shelves, number, if could be moved. Lighting in the refrigerator and
    freezer compartments would be a yes, what colour - egh!


    On-line I will look around a bit for best or at least better deals:
    spending an hour on-line to save a penny isn't my way of shopping.
    Brick-and-mortar shopping -- how much I price compare depends on the
    price and item: I usually start off knowing such-and-such store has
    decent prices, so if I like the item it gets purchased - done! OTOH a
    thousand-dollar refrigerator, we're spending time to get a good price
    plus the features we want!
    I don't shop online at all, but with other shopping, I do tend to know
    what the prices are at the store(s) I regularly shop at, so I know if
    something elsewhere is any sort of a deal... but generally do tend to
    shop just at certain stores anyway... :) And like you, with some
    major purchase, we'll be looking various places to get the price and
    and the features (or lack thereof) we want...
    Part of my 'best deal' requirements depends on where the item is going
    to be located. Washer and dryer are in the basement, on the
    'unfinished' side, so I could really care less what colour they are or even if they match. And 72-different washing and cooling
    temperatures? Only ever use three. OTOH the refrigerator probably
    needs to be white, maybe black, to match. Nothing wrong with stainless steel but wouldn't look right. We use the through-the-door water and
    ice, so for us is a requirment; can understand why not for other folks.
    We'd be similar on the washer/dryer to you... but for us, the
    water and ice in/on the fridge would be a liability... we'd just
    as soon have the extra space they consume available, as well...
    but we would be a little more particular about the color....

    When you look around for a new 'fridge the water in the door option
    probably doens't take too much room: small container in the back of the refrigerator to cool the water, a spigot area on the front door. Now as
    for the ice creation and storage -- that's a huge space-taker!


    Computer stuff I don't care to look inside except when I'm working on
    it, so clear panels, LED lighting, to me interesting for about five seconds. OTOH did see while back a case with a medium-resolution
    display on the case -- hmm: maybe put the weather stuff on it??!!
    Yup, some of the bells and whistles are just distractions... ;)
    But if one has a valid use for it, then maybe.... ;)

    For me the display on the side of the computer case could be of
    interest. Would require some rearranging: currently this computer is on
    a little table (UPS is under the table) off the right side of the
    Computer Desk - would either need to be elevated or probably make more
    sense just to put the the computer on the end of the desk and use the
    top of the table for storage. ...And one has to remember the computer
    case's display is on the left side; I temporarorily put the backup
    computer on the left side of the desk and in that configuration the
    display would not show!

    As for being able to look inside - egh! I can't tell at a glance one
    CPU from another, plus they're covered by a fan and heatsink anyway.
    RAM: some have pretty heat sinks. Nothing moves except the fans.
    Looking at the wiring arangement - <shrug>. Seems mine always gets
    screwed up: starts off nice and neat but then something: forgot
    connection between the DVD and the motherboard, installed the
    motherboard speaker backwards....


    Also would seem like those selling that way would be an easy target:
    law enforcement goes on-line, selects 'Pricing: High to Low', does a
    bit of checking as to why the high price, start searching for the
    seller.
    Money laundering could as easily be done with median-priced items,
    so law enforcement might not be able to spot it all that easily....
    True: "hiding in the crowd" seems safer than "out in the open" with
    you've-got-to-be-kidding prices.
    The number one rule of not getting in trouble with the law is Don't
    Attract Attention.... ;)
    <chuckle> Haven't heard/read about it lately but for a while there
    were lots of regional drug busts because the driver was speeding. 80
    MPH in a 65 tends to attract attention!
    Contenders for the Darwin Award, I'd say... <G>

    Appears so!! Haven't heard anything lately on the news; doubt if ran
    out!


    ... I like my eggs hatched, raised, plucked & fried in crispy
    batter

    Sounds good to me!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Apr 30 22:06:04 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 23-Apr-2020 10:33 <=-

    That is, however, how many people seem to think... Everyone is
    supposed to jump on the bandwagon of the newest and supposedly
    greatest... why keep old just because it works fine as it is...
    We're not 'everybody'! 'New and improved' might be better, but is it
    better for me? I usually don't need the latest and greatest,
    Indeed. And from my point of view, not having to learn new spells
    is a major goodness... :)
    True! And sometimes with the new they took away an option used by a
    Magic Spell so no longer works. May be 'new' but for that option not
    an 'improved'.

    Indeed...!!

    ...and I'm trying to think of an example where I did go "I gotta have
    that!" and bought. Ummm.... Not I don't embrace change, just usually
    wait until they get the kinks out (and the initial price comes down!).
    Richard's more likely to go for change than I am... but he also waits
    for the kinks to be taken care of and the price to come down... :)
    Here too: glad there are those someones who buy the "latest and
    greatest" and so effectively test out for me.

    Exactly... :)

    Generally nicer when the new standard has compatibility with the old
    - thinking like USB 3 is backwards compatible with USB 2.
    I'm a firm believer in backwards compatibility... even though I
    get laughed at for expressing that....
    To me makes sense: data on a USB 3 thumbdrive -- try to stick it into
    a USB 2 port and doesn't work - gaaa!! Of course some things just
    won't work together: try sticking a VHS cassette into a DVD player!
    Though they did have VHS/DVD devices - just 'cheated' and had two
    devices in one unit.
    On my computer, the tower has a zipdrive disk slot, and a CD-ROM...
    and also, in one slot of the tower a dual drive with a slot for each
    of the 3 1/2 and the 5 1/4 floppies... The original computer had a
    drive for the SSSD disks and another for the DSHD disks... that still
    sits to the side of the computer desk, with the printer sitting atop
    it... :)
    Years back I purchasd a refurbished computer with a Zipdrive in it;
    didn't buy the computer just because of the Zipdrive but did select it over another one without -- at the time figured could be handy to have
    the Zipdrive. Never did get used (no media).

    I use the Zipdrive disks for storage all the time... and for a while was
    using them to download HUGE files onto, since they have more capacity...

    Also have 3«- and 5¬-inch drives -- stored. Used to install on a computer as I was building but used less and less until not at all. I
    did get a 3«" USB floppy several years back (probably a lot longer
    than 'several') but haven't used that in I don't know how long.

    Richard got one of those 3 1/2" USB floppy drives, and uses it for
    "sneakernet" to the Windows10 touchscreen machine.... for any of the
    other machines I think there's a 3 1/2" drive installed for "sneaker netting"...

    What I use for a laptop, though, keeps getting upgraded....
    recently Richard replaced the one I was using (that was having the
    battery issues) with a Dell... much larger, different capabilities,
    etc... I'm working on familiarizing myself with it...
    I never quite got in to laptops and notebooks. Have, just rarely use; prefer the bigger screen, a full-sized keyboard, etc. I know can plug those into the laptop. I guess more started because when I was away
    from the computer I didn't want it following me: if I'm outside I want
    to take a break from the computer.

    I use it when traveling, mostly... Back in the bad old days, I'd use it
    to be reading the day before's packet while spending all evening
    downloading the new message packet(s)... <G>

    I haven't seen that sort of thing done, at least not at Wegmans... if
    I were to shop the other stores more, I'd not be too surprised to
    find they had listings which put them in a more favorable light
    against the other stores, though...
    That would tend to make sense! I've also noticed some grocery
    products have a rotation of who has it on sale this week. Noted in the
    past where Hy-Vee will have the brand of supplements I take on sale
    this week, next week Walgreens will, following week someone else.....
    There aren't a lot of things I pay attention to the circulars for...
    if the sale is actually originating from the manufacturer/supplier,
    it could make sense to have the sales "make the rounds" of the
    different stores, though...
    About the only thing we compare for price is the Christmas Turkey. I don't think have ever purchased at Hy-Vee because it seems their offer
    is always buy a ham, get a free turkey. We don't need a ham!
    Schnuck's, Target, Walmart, Aldi usually have a week with a
    super-cheap price and get it then, making room in the freezer here
    until time to thaw.

    We don't get the turkey, either... ;) I'll generally buy a package of
    two turkey thighs, and that will do us (especially as we much prefer the
    dark meat, not the breast)... but then, we are generally going somewhere
    else for Thanksgiving and for Christmas, so another reason not to need
    for the festivity... Wegmans generally has some sort of decent price per
    pound on it for the holidays, though... if we were interested...

    Yes, I suppose there is some logic down the road somewhere. Not sure
    if the manufacturer really cared: you want a blue light, buy enough,
    sure! You want with a flimsy roller that is going to break and make us
    look bad? No.
    The differentiating at least needs to uphold the quality of the
    product, after all... ;)
    "Blue LEDs rule!" "White light is right!" <g> In this instance
    there were no other differences but when we were shopping around for
    a refrigerator noting things like the shelving: open racks vs. solid shelves, number, if could be moved. Lighting in the refrigerator and freezer compartments would be a yes, what colour - egh!

    Yup, shelving was something we paid attention to, also... especially the flexibility and ease of cleaning... No light in our freezer, though... :)

    We'd be similar on the washer/dryer to you... but for us, the water
    and ice in/on the fridge would be a liability... we'd just as soon
    have the extra space they consume available, as well... but we would
    be a little more particular about the color....
    When you look around for a new 'fridge the water in the door option probably doesn't take too much room: small container in the back of
    the refrigerator to cool the water, a spigot area on the front door.

    Still something else to break down... ;) And might still take up more
    space than I'd want it to... :)

    Now as for the ice creation and storage -- that's a huge space-taker!

    Exactly... ;)

    Computer stuff I don't care to look inside except when I'm working on
    it, so clear panels, LED lighting, to me interesting for about five
    seconds. OTOH did see while back a case with a medium-resolution
    display on the case -- hmm: maybe put the weather stuff on it??!!
    Yup, some of the bells and whistles are just distractions... ;)
    But if one has a valid use for it, then maybe.... ;)
    For me the display on the side of the computer case could be of
    interest. Would require some rearranging: currently this computer is
    on a little table (UPS is under the table) off the right side of the Computer Desk - would either need to be elevated or probably make more sense just to put the the computer on the end of the desk and use the
    top of the table for storage. ...And one has to remember the computer case's display is on the left side; I temporarily put the backup
    computer on the left side of the desk and in that configuration the display would not show!

    Yup, you'd need to rearrange for that to work for you.... ;)

    As for being able to look inside - egh! I can't tell at a glance one
    CPU from another, plus they're covered by a fan and heatsink anyway.
    RAM: some have pretty heat sinks. Nothing moves except the fans.
    Looking at the wiring arangement - <shrug>. Seems mine always gets screwed up: starts off nice and neat but then something: forgot
    connection between the DVD and the motherboard, installed the
    motherboard speaker backwards....

    Doesn't sound like anything there I'd find exciting, either.... <G>

    The number one rule of not getting in trouble with the law is Don't
    Attract Attention.... ;)
    <chuckle> Haven't heard/read about it lately but for a while there
    were lots of regional drug busts because the driver was speeding. 80
    MPH in a 65 tends to attract attention!
    Contenders for the Darwin Award, I'd say... <G>
    Appears so!! Haven't heard anything lately on the news; doubt if ran
    out!

    Maybe there's too much else happening.....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri May 1 09:05:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    That is, however, how many people seem to think... Everyone is
    supposed to jump on the bandwagon of the newest and supposedly
    greatest... why keep old just because it works fine as it is...
    We're not 'everybody'! 'New and improved' might be better, but is it
    better for me? I usually don't need the latest and greatest,
    Indeed. And from my point of view, not having to learn new spells
    is a major goodness... :)
    True! And sometimes with the new they took away an option used by a
    Magic Spell so no longer works. May be 'new' but for that option not
    an 'improved'.
    Indeed...!!

    Appears 'improved' is a consideration by the individual.


    Generally nicer when the new standard has compatibility with the old
    - thinking like USB 3 is backwards compatible with USB 2.
    I'm a firm believer in backwards compatibility... even though I
    get laughed at for expressing that....
    To me makes sense: data on a USB 3 thumbdrive -- try to stick it into
    a USB 2 port and doesn't work - gaaa!! Of course some things just
    won't work together: try sticking a VHS cassette into a DVD player!
    Though they did have VHS/DVD devices - just 'cheated' and had two
    devices in one unit.
    On my computer, the tower has a zipdrive disk slot, and a CD-ROM...
    and also, in one slot of the tower a dual drive with a slot for each
    of the 3 1/2 and the 5 1/4 floppies... The original computer had a
    drive for the SSSD disks and another for the DSHD disks... that still
    sits to the side of the computer desk, with the printer sitting atop
    it... :)
    Years back I purchasd a refurbished computer with a Zipdrive in it;
    didn't buy the computer just because of the Zipdrive but did select it over another one without -- at the time figured could be handy to have
    the Zipdrive. Never did get used (no media).
    I use the Zipdrive disks for storage all the time... and for a
    while was using them to download HUGE files onto, since they have
    more capacity...

    Right: definite advantage of Zipdrives over floppies. Here it ended up
    by the time I got around to Zipdrives being useful thumbdrives were
    available and easier to use. Here generally transferred or moved large
    files using the network (LAN).


    Also have 3«- and 5¬-inch drives -- stored. Used to install on a computer as I was building but used less and less until not at all. I
    did get a 3«" USB floppy several years back (probably a lot longer
    than 'several') but haven't used that in I don't know how long.
    Richard got one of those 3 1/2" USB floppy drives, and uses it
    for "sneakernet" to the Windows10 touchscreen machine.... for any
    of the other machines I think there's a 3 1/2" drive installed
    for "sneaker netting"...

    Right. I've been using 16 GB thumbdrives for SneakerNet and probably
    95% of the time still have 15 GB free! For me just easier.


    What I use for a laptop, though, keeps getting upgraded....
    recently Richard replaced the one I was using (that was having the
    battery issues) with a Dell... much larger, different capabilities,
    etc... I'm working on familiarizing myself with it...
    I never quite got in to laptops and notebooks. Have, just rarely use; prefer the bigger screen, a full-sized keyboard, etc. I know can plug those into the laptop. I guess more started because when I was away
    from the computer I didn't want it following me: if I'm outside I want
    to take a break from the computer.
    I use it when traveling, mostly... Back in the bad old days, I'd
    use it to be reading the day before's packet while spending all
    evening downloading the new message packet(s)... <G>

    Yup: I used to spend an hour or so transferring the BBS packet. Now
    it's a few seconds! ...There are files which still take an hour or so,
    though rarely.


    I haven't seen that sort of thing done, at least not at Wegmans... if
    I were to shop the other stores more, I'd not be too surprised to
    find they had listings which put them in a more favorable light
    against the other stores, though...
    That would tend to make sense! I've also noticed some grocery
    products have a rotation of who has it on sale this week. Noted in the
    past where Hy-Vee will have the brand of supplements I take on sale
    this week, next week Walgreens will, following week someone else.....
    There aren't a lot of things I pay attention to the circulars for...
    if the sale is actually originating from the manufacturer/supplier,
    it could make sense to have the sales "make the rounds" of the
    different stores, though...
    About the only thing we compare for price is the Christmas Turkey. I don't think have ever purchased at Hy-Vee because it seems their offer
    is always buy a ham, get a free turkey. We don't need a ham!
    Schnuck's, Target, Walmart, Aldi usually have a week with a
    super-cheap price and get it then, making room in the freezer here
    until time to thaw.
    We don't get the turkey, either... ;) I'll generally buy a
    package of two turkey thighs, and that will do us (especially as
    we much prefer the dark meat, not the breast)... but then, we are generally going somewhere else for Thanksgiving and for
    Christmas, so another reason not to need for the festivity...
    Wegmans generally has some sort of decent price per pound on it
    for the holidays, though... if we were interested...

    Yes, if just the two of you now need to buy even a small turkey --
    leftovers for next Thanksgiving! The drumsticks would be enough and
    enough of the 'turkey' feeling. We've done Cornish Game Hens: festive, something different, easy to cook, and no to one leftover meal.


    Yes, I suppose there is some logic down the road somewhere. Not sure
    if the manufacturer really cared: you want a blue light, buy enough,
    sure! You want with a flimsy roller that is going to break and make us
    look bad? No.
    The differentiating at least needs to uphold the quality of the
    product, after all... ;)
    "Blue LEDs rule!" "White light is right!" <g> In this instance
    there were no other differences but when we were shopping around for
    a refrigerator noting things like the shelving: open racks vs. solid shelves, number, if could be moved. Lighting in the refrigerator and freezer compartments would be a yes, what colour - egh!
    Yup, shelving was something we paid attention to, also...
    especially the flexibility and ease of cleaning... No light in
    our freezer, though... :)

    Freezers usually get packed so the built-in light is usually manages to
    get covered, or at least with incandescent type. With the LEDs could
    probably put the strip at the front or along the top. IMO a freezer
    light is handy but not a deal-killer.


    We'd be similar on the washer/dryer to you... but for us, the water
    and ice in/on the fridge would be a liability... we'd just as soon
    have the extra space they consume available, as well... but we would
    be a little more particular about the color....
    When you look around for a new 'fridge the water in the door option probably doesn't take too much room: small container in the back of
    the refrigerator to cool the water, a spigot area on the front door.
    Still something else to break down... ;) And might still take up
    more space than I'd want it to... :)

    The ice maker does take up a lot of space, one reason why we have a
    second bare-bones refrig in the basement; plus my old 5.1 (or is it
    3.1?) cubic foot freezer from the apartment. OTOH we do buy a lot of frozen/to be frozen food.



    Computer stuff I don't care to look inside except when I'm working on
    it, so clear panels, LED lighting, to me interesting for about five
    seconds. OTOH did see while back a case with a medium-resolution
    display on the case -- hmm: maybe put the weather stuff on it??!!
    Yup, some of the bells and whistles are just distractions... ;)
    But if one has a valid use for it, then maybe.... ;)
    For me the display on the side of the computer case could be of
    interest. Would require some rearranging: currently this computer is
    on a little table (UPS is under the table) off the right side of the Computer Desk - would either need to be elevated or probably make more sense just to put the the computer on the end of the desk and use the
    top of the table for storage. ...And one has to remember the computer case's display is on the left side; I temporarily put the backup
    computer on the left side of the desk and in that configuration the display would not show!
    Yup, you'd need to rearrange for that to work for you.... ;)

    Right. This computer desk has a space for a computer (desktop, upright)
    to my left, which I always thought was odd as most people are right-
    handed. There is a correspoding space on the left with a CD/DVD rack
    and two narrow storage spaces -- I've got notebooks in them. And no,
    can't be swapped. ...Actually the computer position on the left makes
    sense as they put the space for a printer on the left. The laser
    printer doesn't fit and so now has the shredder.



    The number one rule of not getting in trouble with the law is Don't
    Attract Attention.... ;)
    <chuckle> Haven't heard/read about it lately but for a while there
    were lots of regional drug busts because the driver was speeding. 80
    MPH in a 65 tends to attract attention!
    Contenders for the Darwin Award, I'd say... <G>
    Appears so!! Haven't heard anything lately on the news; doubt if ran
    out!
    Maybe there's too much else happening.....

    I suppose.... <g>


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