• Entitled... was: I'm not

    From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jan 5 09:44:00 2020
    Subject: Entitled... was: I'm not back yet..


    Hi Nancy!


    On this morning's news the chances for a white Christmas went down to
    2%; was 5% yesterday.
    And you probably ended up like us, with a green Christmas... except
    for the leftover piles here and there.... ;)
    And not that many piles except at the business sites.
    We still had some in the front yard from Richard's shoveling
    before... The huge piles in parking lots managed to not melt even
    when we kept having those highs in the 50s.... Now they've got a
    new coating of snow from what we got overnight... ;)

    Yes, those big white piles of snow tend to turn to grayish-black mounds
    of ice and stick around a while; nice to get a paint job of new snow.



    If no reason to go out sometimes just let Mother Nature remove the
    snow she put on the car! I did have to scrape the frost off my
    windshields yesterday before my errands -- if I had been able to wait
    a half-hour or so would have melted.
    Yeah... it's always nice when one has the luxury of waiting for the
    snow/frost to take care of itself... ;)
    I've had it where the dew/moisture on the windshield, apply the wipers
    and it turns to frost and stays frozen, so still have to scrape.
    If one has time in that situation, the windshield defrost might melt
    the frost, at least eventually...
    Generally I don't have time to sit and wait at that point so get out
    to scrape but do have the defogger on and set to high. There have been other times when the ice layer is too thin or too thick for the scaper
    and I do wait until the defogger has melted the attaching layer.
    One has to get out a little earlier to have the necessary time to
    get the car cleared... ;)

    Yes - trying to guess when to go out can be interesting: there were
    times when went out before breakfast and spent pretty much all the time clearing the driveway and cars and running late so grabbed something to
    eat when get to the store. Other times 'well that was easy' and have
    plenty of time.


    Sort of speaking of Malls, the sister Mall on the Illinois side was
    closed all day Monday due to a fire. Occurred early mid-morning in
    one of the little shop-stores. AFAICT not much fire damage, just a lot
    of smoke. Went on-line to check and no details.
    So apparently easily taken care of, then...
    Yes, apparently the initial problem was smoke inside the mall but why
    the fire deparment didn't allow or the Mall decided to stay closed all
    day I don't know.
    Probably a "better safe than sorry" mindset.... Clearing the mall
    of all the smoke might take longer than we'd think...

    May also have been an issue of "can we sell this <item> which may have
    been exposed to smoke?": odor on clothes, utensils at a food shop, etc.
    [Just guessing - didn't hear any follow-ups.]


    True; must have been hungry and that was only example I could think
    of. The "I'm entitled" thing is more buy a huge-screen TV to show off
    (to oneself). Probably better is the 'rolling house sized' brand new
    SUV when a one- or two year old car would work just as well if not
    better. (And again all depends: maybe a SUV is better for one's
    situation.)
    I think I'd refer to that sort of thing more as conspicuous
    consumption... the always wanting bigger and more expensive whether
    or not it is needed...
    Yes, I'd agree. :) My thinking on entitlement might be tempered by acceptance: "OK, so you have eight billion dollars and want to buy a yacht. You can afford it and not make sacrifices elsewhere. Can I
    come someday? I'll bring some snacks!"
    That could work, if you happened to actually know someone like
    that... generally the billionaires are living in an entirely
    different world from us... :)

    Let's see -- the last time I dressed up in a tuxedo was..... <g>


    I was thinking more of those of very modest means, possibly even
    struggling to make ends meet because of limited income, that think
    that they still deserve to have this that or the other thing, even
    though they clearly don't have the money for it... saving to get it
    is probably out of the question, since by the time the couple of
    pennies (probably literally) they can squeeze out of the money at
    hand grew to be closer to enough to pay for such, the item would be
    hopelessly outdated, and no longer of interest..... for them, the
    credit card is a very enticing trap.... "But I DESERVE it... why
    can't I get what everyone else has..."
    That's probably a much better way to give an example than to try to
    give an actual example.
    I could probably come up with specific instances that I've seen
    in people I've worked with, but the more general description is
    probably more understandable to someone in our circumstances....
    Probably so: trying to 'self-analyze' it appears I probably would not
    get into the understanding the situation because it's just not me.
    And can excuse (up to a point) those of the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous group because that's the way things are. (OK, some do some
    stupid things and should know better, $1 or $1,000,000,000.)
    You've had experience with two classes of people, your own, and,
    to a lesser and more vicarious extent, with a class of people
    beyond your means.... ;) Just not with another class of people
    that are well below your standard of living....

    Pretty much yes: the different classes tend to isolate amongst
    themselves. ...Trying to phase diplomatically so I don't come off
    elitist, condescending, etc.


    From our discussions, I'd say that neither you nor I are exactly
    rich, by most standards anyway... but we do have more leeway in
    allocating funds beyond the bare necessities, and we do tend to be
    more balanced in making financial decisions whether on a small scale
    or on a large scale, and a willingness to postpone gratification
    where wiser... ;)
    Bingo! Not exactly rich, nor poor. I want/need something I can buy
    it, but there had better be a reason for it, then I'll spend time
    looking for the best or close-to-the-best deal: time is money! If it
    appears $22.99 (and free shipping!) is the best price I'm not going to
    spend time looking for a $22.95 deal. (See? My real life examples are
    even chump change! <g>)
    But it does underscore my point... being not rich, but also not poor,
    we've developed good habits of being reasonably frugal... using our
    resources wisely... But, when poor, there tends to be a different
    sort of mindset... a feeling of "I should be able to get it, even if
    I can't afford it, it just isn't fair otherwise"... which is what I've
    been calling the entitlement syndrome.... If I hadn't come up across
    it in various situations with various people in straitened situations,
    I'd likely not have noticed it quite so clearly....
    Quite probably, and maybe I haven't been in the situation. Right now
    I'm thinking back to my college days and we'd sometimes do study
    groups at our homes. I lived in a decent apartment, two others live in trailers (now 'mobile homes').... One guy was reluctant to have us
    over because he lived in a semi-rundown apartment building because he didn't have much money. Essentially he 'broke down' when I said "we're friends with you, not the apartment".
    That probably comes closest to what I've been talking about,
    except that college life tends to be a temporary stage of life...
    usually after getting out of college, the impoverishment period
    ends and one learns to function on a different basis... The
    people I've been dealing with are full adults, and probably,
    barring a miracle or at least some significant intervention, not
    ever going to have enough to live on, especially to the level
    they'd like to think they should be able to....

    Right: college is a temporary and transitional phase. Even then
    segmented: Harvard and Yale generally has the upper echelon, or at least thought to, whereas 'Spizzerinctum U.' probably is more the laundry
    machine of student societies, and even then still separation of groups
    -- like laundry delicates, dark, lights, wash-in-cold-water-only....



    I don't know if the government sents out renewals for passports.
    IMO double-reminders are better than none!
    From my experience, no they don't send reminders... you are on your
    own for that renewal... which is why I'll need to reapply at this
    point... ;)
    OK - I was pretty sure the state sent out driver's license reminders
    but not sure about the federal reminder for passports. BTW, you'll
    probably need a visa to accompany the passport -- seems like that was
    starting in 2021. Two separate items; AFAIK don't need a visa until
    making the trip; get the passport ahead of time.
    Yeah, I heard something about that... That's actually been in effect
    for many decades, at least for some countries... What's changing, I
    guess, is that more countries are going to require visas along with
    the passport...
    Right: off-hand don't know which countries but they have required a
    visa for decades. (And hence the joke 'but what about my
    MasterCard?'.) Not sure why the EU (European Union) will require
    visas, though I'd guess may have something to do with immigrants from
    the Mediterranean area.
    Quite likely.... and possibly also some softening of the
    relationship with the US....

    Possibly. I didn't see a reasoning, and also didn't much care to delve
    into why: will be needed, they're not going to make an exception just
    for me, easier to go with the flow and get a $50 (or whatever the cost)
    piece of paper.


    factors like upper lever winds, air temperature and the strength of
    the balloon material it could land anywhere between Illinois and New
    England/New York. So if you happen to see a big white balloon with
    red lettering on it......
    I'll keep my eye out for it... ;) Not that I expect it would fly
    this way... more likely to skip us and land in NE... :)
    OK, thanks! Haven't heard if their balloon has been found yet --
    might be partway to England!
    Could be.... or went too high and deflated over the ocean....
    Awwww. ;(
    Probably you'll just never hear anything about it, but if you do,
    tell us... ;)
    I'll probably end up like the news reports: vague comment to follow-up
    and that's the end. I think I saw a replacement balloon at the rebroadcast of the (local) Festival of Trees parade.
    I guess they probably would have spares... balloons can be pretty fickle.... ;)

    Right: probably easy enough to puncture by accidentally blowing against a light; also one place in the route where the balloons have to go under a pedestrian bridge - hope no bolts sticking out!



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Tue Jan 7 00:51:00 2020
    Barry,


    Let's see -- the last time I dressed up in a tuxedo was..... <g>

    When you went to a penguin party. <g,d,r>

    Right: college is a temporary and transitional phase. Even then BM>segmented: Harvard and Yale generally has the upper echelon, or at least BM>thought to, whereas 'Spizzerinctum U.' probably is more the laundry BM>machine of student societies, and even then still separation of groups
    -- like laundry delicates, dark, lights, wash-in-cold-water-only....

    I'm glad I am long since out of school. What I paid 40 years ago was a
    steal compared to what it is today.

    Daryl


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Wed Jan 8 10:06:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!


    Let's see -- the last time I dressed up in a tuxedo was..... <g>
    When you went to a penguin party. <g,d,r>

    The nuns saw my beard and wouldn't let me in!


    Right: college is a temporary and transitional phase. Even then
    segmented: Harvard and Yale generally has the upper echelon, or at least
    thought to, whereas 'Spizzerinctum U.' probably is more the laundry
    machine of student societies, and even then still separation of groups
    -- like laundry delicates, dark, lights, wash-in-cold-water-only....
    I'm glad I am long since out of school. What I paid 40 years
    ago was a steal compared to what it is today.

    By dollar-to-dollar it is! Was $525 per quarter the first year, $625
    per quarter the second, $725 per quarter the last year, so $7500 total.
    Now forty years later it's $11,998 per trimester, ten trimesters, so
    $120,000 (rounding).




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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Jan 11 21:39:16 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 05-Jan-2020 09:44 <=-
    Subject: Entitled... was: I'm not back yet..

    On this morning's news the chances for a white Christmas went down to
    2%; was 5% yesterday.
    And you probably ended up like us, with a green Christmas... except
    for the leftover piles here and there.... ;)
    And not that many piles except at the business sites.
    We still had some in the front yard from Richard's shoveling
    before... The huge piles in parking lots managed to not melt even
    when we kept having those highs in the 50s.... Now they've got a
    new coating of snow from what we got overnight... ;)
    Yes, those big white piles of snow tend to turn to grayish-black
    mounds of ice and stick around a while; nice to get a paint job of new snow.

    True... And now, there's no snow anywhere... I think even those piles
    melted off... the high today was in the low 60s, and it's been
    raining... with lots more to come through into tomorrow morning...
    although the temps have dropped closer to 40s already, I think...

    Generally I don't have time to sit and wait at that point so get out
    to scrape but do have the defogger on and set to high. There have been
    other times when the ice layer is too thin or too thick for the scaper
    and I do wait until the defogger has melted the attaching layer.
    One has to get out a little earlier to have the necessary time to get
    the car cleared... ;)
    Yes - trying to guess when to go out can be interesting: there were
    times when went out before breakfast and spent pretty much all the
    time clearing the driveway and cars and running late so grabbed
    something to eat when get to the store. Other times 'well that was
    easy' and have plenty of time.

    Yup... and best to have budgeted too much time than too little...

    Sort of speaking of Malls, the sister Mall on the Illinois side was
    closed all day Monday due to a fire. Occurred early mid-morning in
    one of the little shop-stores. AFAICT not much fire damage, just a lot
    of smoke. Went on-line to check and no details.
    So apparently easily taken care of, then...
    Yes, apparently the initial problem was smoke inside the mall but why
    the fire deparment didn't allow or the Mall decided to stay closed all
    day I don't know.
    Probably a "better safe than sorry" mindset.... Clearing the mall
    of all the smoke might take longer than we'd think...
    May also have been an issue of "can we sell this <item> which may have been exposed to smoke?": odor on clothes, utensils at a food shop,
    etc. [Just guessing - didn't hear any follow-ups.]

    True... and they might not have reported any followups anyway....

    I think I'd refer to that sort of thing more as conspicuous
    consumption... the always wanting bigger and more expensive whether
    or not it is needed...
    Yes, I'd agree. :) My thinking on entitlement might be tempered by
    acceptance: "OK, so you have eight billion dollars and want to buy a
    yacht. You can afford it and not make sacrifices elsewhere. Can I
    come someday? I'll bring some snacks!"
    That could work, if you happened to actually know someone like
    that... generally the billionaires are living in an entirely
    different world from us... :)
    Let's see -- the last time I dressed up in a tuxedo was..... <g>

    Indeed... that would be never, for either myself or Richard... ;)

    I could probably come up with specific instances that I've seen
    in people I've worked with, but the more general description is
    probably more understandable to someone in our circumstances....
    Probably so: trying to 'self-analyze' it appears I probably would not
    get into the understanding the situation because it's just not me.
    And can excuse (up to a point) those of the Lifestyles of the Rich and
    Famous group because that's the way things are. (OK, some do some
    stupid things and should know better, $1 or $1,000,000,000.)
    You've had experience with two classes of people, your own, and,
    to a lesser and more vicarious extent, with a class of people
    beyond your means.... ;) Just not with another class of people
    that are well below your standard of living....
    Pretty much yes: the different classes tend to isolate amongst
    themselves. ...Trying to phase diplomatically so I don't come off elitist, condescending, etc.

    Many middle class don't really rub shoulders much with the poor, unless
    it's somehow connected with work/profession... or unless said poor were
    at one time more middle calss... or in some sort of mission setting...

    But it does underscore my point... being not rich, but also not poor,
    we've developed good habits of being reasonably frugal... using our
    resources wisely... But, when poor, there tends to be a different
    sort of mindset... a feeling of "I should be able to get it, even if
    I can't afford it, it just isn't fair otherwise"... which is what I've
    been calling the entitlement syndrome.... If I hadn't come up across
    it in various situations with various people in straitened situations,
    I'd likely not have noticed it quite so clearly....
    Quite probably, and maybe I haven't been in the situation. Right now
    I'm thinking back to my college days and we'd sometimes do study
    groups at our homes. I lived in a decent apartment, two others live in
    trailers (now 'mobile homes').... One guy was reluctant to have us
    over because he lived in a semi-rundown apartment building because he
    didn't have much money. Essentially he 'broke down' when I said "we're
    friends with you, not the apartment".
    That probably comes closest to what I've been talking about, except
    that college life tends to be a temporary stage of life... usually
    after getting out of college, the impoverishment period ends and one
    learns to function on a different basis... The people I've been dealing
    with are full adults, and probably, barring a miracle or at least some
    some significant intervention, not ever going to have enough to live
    on, especially to the level they'd like to think they should be able
    to....
    Right: college is a temporary and transitional phase. Even then segmented: Harvard and Yale generally has the upper echelon, or at
    least thought to, whereas 'Spizzerinctum U.' probably is more the
    laundry machine of student societies, and even then still separation of groups -- like laundry delicates, dark, lights, wash-in-cold-water-only....

    Harvard and Yale do actually have some interesting scholarship aid for
    indigent applicants who are otherwise scholastically fit... Dartmouth
    has scholarships for kids that have at least 1/4 Native American
    heritage, a friend of mine got his college that way... :)

    but not sure about the federal reminder for passports. BTW, you'll
    probably need a visa to accompany the passport -- seems like that was
    starting in 2021. Two separate items; AFAIK don't need a visa until
    making the trip; get the passport ahead of time.
    Yeah, I heard something about that... That's actually been in effect
    for many decades, at least for some countries... What's changing, I
    guess, is that more countries are going to require visas along with
    the passport...
    Right: off-hand don't know which countries but they have required a
    visa for decades. (And hence the joke 'but what about my
    MasterCard?'.) Not sure why the EU (European Union) will require
    visas, though I'd guess may have something to do with immigrants from
    the Mediterranean area.
    Quite likely.... and possibly also some softening of the
    relationship with the US....
    Possibly. I didn't see a reasoning, and also didn't much care to
    delve into why: will be needed, they're not going to make an exception just for me, easier to go with the flow and get a $50 (or whatever the cost) piece of paper.

    Yup... if one wishes to travel one needs must get the appropriate
    paperwork and pay the associated costs thereof.... ;)

    OK, thanks! Haven't heard if their balloon has been found yet --
    might be partway to England!
    Could be.... or went too high and deflated over the ocean....
    Awwww. ;(
    Probably you'll just never hear anything about it, but if you do,
    tell us... ;)
    I'll probably end up like the news reports: vague comment to follow-up
    and that's the end. I think I saw a replacement balloon at the
    rebroadcast of the (local) Festival of Trees parade.
    I guess they probably would have spares... balloons can be pretty
    fickle.... ;)
    Right: probably easy enough to puncture by accidentally blowing
    against a light; also one place in the route where the balloons have to
    go under a pedestrian bridge - hope no bolts sticking out!

    Exactly... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jan 12 17:14:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    On this morning's news the chances for a white Christmas went down to
    2%; was 5% yesterday.
    And you probably ended up like us, with a green Christmas... except
    for the leftover piles here and there.... ;)
    And not that many piles except at the business sites.
    We still had some in the front yard from Richard's shoveling
    before... The huge piles in parking lots managed to not melt even
    when we kept having those highs in the 50s.... Now they've got a
    new coating of snow from what we got overnight... ;)
    Yes, those big white piles of snow tend to turn to grayish-black
    mounds of ice and stick around a while; nice to get a paint job of new snow.
    True... And now, there's no snow anywhere... I think even those
    piles melted off... the high today was in the low 60s, and it's
    been raining... with lots more to come through into tomorrow
    morning... although the temps have dropped closer to 40s already,
    I think...

    We received around an inch yesterday (Saturday). The good news was the
    icy layer wasn't that bad: a very thin layer and roughend enough not to
    be slick. Supposed to be just at freezing later for today's high and
    upper 30's tomorrow so walkways, etc., should be good until the next
    predicted snow -- Tuesday and Wednesday.


    Generally I don't have time to sit and wait at that point so get out
    to scrape but do have the defogger on and set to high. There have been
    other times when the ice layer is too thin or too thick for the scaper
    and I do wait until the defogger has melted the attaching layer.
    One has to get out a little earlier to have the necessary time to get
    the car cleared... ;)
    Yes - trying to guess when to go out can be interesting: there were
    times when went out before breakfast and spent pretty much all the
    time clearing the driveway and cars and running late so grabbed
    something to eat when get to the store. Other times 'well that was
    easy' and have plenty of time.
    Yup... and best to have budgeted too much time than too little...

    Right. I could always find something to do, even if it's just watch the
    end of a show before heading off to work.



    Sort of speaking of Malls, the sister Mall on the Illinois side was
    closed all day Monday due to a fire. Occurred early mid-morning in
    one of the little shop-stores. AFAICT not much fire damage, just a lot
    of smoke. Went on-line to check and no details.
    So apparently easily taken care of, then...
    Yes, apparently the initial problem was smoke inside the mall but why
    the fire deparment didn't allow or the Mall decided to stay closed all
    day I don't know.
    Probably a "better safe than sorry" mindset.... Clearing the mall
    of all the smoke might take longer than we'd think...
    May also have been an issue of "can we sell this <item> which may have been exposed to smoke?": odor on clothes, utensils at a food shop,
    etc. [Just guessing - didn't hear any follow-ups.]
    True... and they might not have reported any followups anyway....

    Possibly not; I'm guessing the fire was relatively small and didn't
    cause much damage - didn't even hear of whatever shop the fire was in
    being closed. As you said, the all-day closure onthe day of the fire
    was probably more a precautionary thing, and possibly to check
    inventories for any potential damage from smoke.



    I think I'd refer to that sort of thing more as conspicuous
    consumption... the always wanting bigger and more expensive whether
    or not it is needed...
    Yes, I'd agree. :) My thinking on entitlement might be tempered by
    acceptance: "OK, so you have eight billion dollars and want to buy a
    yacht. You can afford it and not make sacrifices elsewhere. Can I
    come someday? I'll bring some snacks!"
    That could work, if you happened to actually know someone like
    that... generally the billionaires are living in an entirely
    different world from us... :)
    Let's see -- the last time I dressed up in a tuxedo was..... <g>
    Indeed... that would be never, for either myself or Richard... ;)

    Guess we're just going to have a visit from what's-his-name from _The Lifestyles of the Rich and Obnox- err, Famous_!


    I could probably come up with specific instances that I've seen
    in people I've worked with, but the more general description is
    probably more understandable to someone in our circumstances....
    Probably so: trying to 'self-analyze' it appears I probably would not
    get into the understanding the situation because it's just not me.
    And can excuse (up to a point) those of the Lifestyles of the Rich and
    Famous group because that's the way things are. (OK, some do some
    stupid things and should know better, $1 or $1,000,000,000.)
    You've had experience with two classes of people, your own, and,
    to a lesser and more vicarious extent, with a class of people
    beyond your means.... ;) Just not with another class of people
    that are well below your standard of living....
    Pretty much yes: the different classes tend to isolate amongst
    themselves. ...Trying to phase diplomatically so I don't come off elitist, condescending, etc.
    Many middle class don't really rub shoulders much with the poor,
    unless it's somehow connected with work/profession... or unless
    said poor were at one time more middle calss... or in some sort
    of mission setting...
    But it does underscore my point... being not rich, but also not poor,
    we've developed good habits of being reasonably frugal... using our
    resources wisely... But, when poor, there tends to be a different
    sort of mindset... a feeling of "I should be able to get it, even if
    I can't afford it, it just isn't fair otherwise"... which is what I've
    been calling the entitlement syndrome.... If I hadn't come up across
    it in various situations with various people in straitened situations,
    I'd likely not have noticed it quite so clearly....
    Quite probably, and maybe I haven't been in the situation. Right now
    I'm thinking back to my college days and we'd sometimes do study
    groups at our homes. I lived in a decent apartment, two others live in
    trailers (now 'mobile homes').... One guy was reluctant to have us
    over because he lived in a semi-rundown apartment building because he
    didn't have much money. Essentially he 'broke down' when I said "we're
    friends with you, not the apartment".
    That probably comes closest to what I've been talking about, except
    that college life tends to be a temporary stage of life... usually
    after getting out of college, the impoverishment period ends and one
    learns to function on a different basis... The people I've been dealing
    with are full adults, and probably, barring a miracle or at least some
    some significant intervention, not ever going to have enough to live
    on, especially to the level they'd like to think they should be able
    to....
    Right: college is a temporary and transitional phase. Even then segmented: Harvard and Yale generally has the upper echelon, or at
    least thought to, whereas 'Spizzerinctum U.' probably is more the
    laundry machine of student societies, and even then still separation of groups -- like laundry delicates, dark, lights, wash-in-cold-water-only....
    Harvard and Yale do actually have some interesting scholarship
    aid for indigent applicants who are otherwise scholastically
    fit... Dartmouth has scholarships for kids that have at least 1/4
    Native American heritage, a friend of mine got his college that
    way... :)

    Yes, all sorts of scholarships out there.



    but not sure about the federal reminder for passports. BTW, you'll
    probably need a visa to accompany the passport -- seems like that was
    starting in 2021. Two separate items; AFAIK don't need a visa until
    making the trip; get the passport ahead of time.
    Yeah, I heard something about that... That's actually been in effect
    for many decades, at least for some countries... What's changing, I
    guess, is that more countries are going to require visas along with
    the passport...
    Right: off-hand don't know which countries but they have required a
    visa for decades. (And hence the joke 'but what about my
    MasterCard?'.) Not sure why the EU (European Union) will require
    visas, though I'd guess may have something to do with immigrants from
    the Mediterranean area.
    Quite likely.... and possibly also some softening of the
    relationship with the US....
    Possibly. I didn't see a reasoning, and also didn't much care to
    delve into why: will be needed, they're not going to make an exception just for me, easier to go with the flow and get a $50 (or whatever the cost) piece of paper.
    Yup... if one wishes to travel one needs must get the appropriate paperwork and pay the associated costs thereof.... ;)

    True -- wonder how the "take a year off to backpack through Europe"
    thing wiil be effected? I never did, don't know anyone who did, but envisioned it as more a 'where the wind blows me' type of thing.
    Passport seemed to allow anywhere, the upcoming need for a visa might
    put a crimp on that random travelling. ...Maybe not much difference if European Union -- on my past travels there were some trips when I didn't
    even know crossed a boarder except the eventual notice the signage
    wasn't in German.


    OK, thanks! Haven't heard if their balloon has been found yet --
    might be partway to England!
    Could be.... or went too high and deflated over the ocean....
    Awwww. ;(
    Probably you'll just never hear anything about it, but if you do,
    tell us... ;)
    I'll probably end up like the news reports: vague comment to follow-up
    and that's the end. I think I saw a replacement balloon at the
    rebroadcast of the (local) Festival of Trees parade.
    I guess they probably would have spares... balloons can be pretty
    fickle.... ;)
    Right: probably easy enough to puncture by accidentally blowing
    against a light; also one place in the route where the balloons have to
    go under a pedestrian bridge - hope no bolts sticking out!
    Exactly... :)

    Didn't hear anything of any balloons being damaged nor escaping to find
    their brother!



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Tue Jan 14 12:26:00 2020
    Barry,

    Possibly not; I'm guessing the fire was relatively small and didn't
    cause much damage - didn't even hear of whatever shop the fire was in BM>being closed. As you said, the all-day closure onthe day of the fire
    was probably more a precautionary thing, and possibly to check BM>inventories for any potential damage from smoke.

    An area Burger King was closed for several weeks...they noted
    "equipment failure". Apparently, fire from the broiler ignited something
    in the ceiling. That takes "flame broiling" to a whole new level. :P

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Wed Jan 15 08:11:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    Possibly not; I'm guessing the fire was relatively small and didn't
    cause much damage - didn't even hear of whatever shop the fire was in
    being closed. As you said, the all-day closure onthe day of the fire
    was probably more a precautionary thing, and possibly to check
    inventories for any potential damage from smoke.
    An area Burger King was closed for several weeks...they noted
    "equipment failure". Apparently, fire from the broiler ignited
    something in the ceiling. That takes "flame broiling" to a whole
    new level. :P

    Possibly a grease fire. Would tend to take the 'char-broiled' to a bit
    of an extreme!



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sun Jan 19 00:11:18 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 12-Jan-2020 17:14 <=-

    True... And now, there's no snow anywhere... I think even those
    piles melted off... the high today was in the low 60s, and it's been
    raining... with lots more to come through into tomorrow morning...
    although the temps have dropped closer to 40s already, I think...
    We received around an inch yesterday (Saturday). The good news was
    the icy layer wasn't that bad: a very thin layer and roughend enough
    not to be slick. Supposed to be just at freezing later for today's
    high and upper 30's tomorrow so walkways, etc., should be good until
    the next predicted snow -- Tuesday and Wednesday.

    In the interim, we've had a few inch or less, maybe a trace more storms,
    with warm weather between, so not staying around... At the moment, we
    are in the midst of a bit more aggressive storm... but still only likely
    to be 3-4 inches or so all told... Temps got almost got into single
    digits last night... it's warmed into the 30s today... But there's talk
    of wintry mix over night... that could ice things up...

    Generally I don't have time to sit and wait at that point so get out
    to scrape but do have the defogger on and set to high. There have been
    other times when the ice layer is too thin or too thick for the scaper
    and I do wait until the defogger has melted the attaching layer.
    One has to get out a little earlier to have the necessary time to get
    the car cleared... ;)
    Yes - trying to guess when to go out can be interesting: there were
    times when went out before breakfast and spent pretty much all the
    time clearing the driveway and cars and running late so grabbed
    something to eat when get to the store. Other times 'well that was
    easy' and have plenty of time.
    Yup... and best to have budgeted too much time than too little...
    Right. I could always find something to do, even if it's just watch
    the end of a show before heading off to work.

    If the weather is iffy enough, I might use the extra time to give a
    cushion in case the driving isn't all that nice, either....

    I think I'd refer to that sort of thing more as conspicuous
    consumption... the always wanting bigger and more expensive whether
    or not it is needed...
    Yes, I'd agree. :) My thinking on entitlement might be tempered by
    acceptance: "OK, so you have eight billion dollars and want to buy a
    yacht. You can afford it and not make sacrifices elsewhere. Can I
    come someday? I'll bring some snacks!"
    That could work, if you happened to actually know someone like
    that... generally the billionaires are living in an entirely
    different world from us... :)
    Let's see -- the last time I dressed up in a tuxedo was..... <g>
    Indeed... that would be never, for either myself or Richard... ;)
    Guess we're just going to have a visit from what's-his-name from _The Lifestyles of the Rich and Obnox- err, Famous_!

    Even he'd not likely visit the likes of us... :)

    but not sure about the federal reminder for passports. BTW, you'll
    probably need a visa to accompany the passport -- seems like that was
    starting in 2021. Two separate items; AFAIK don't need a visa until
    making the trip; get the passport ahead of time.
    Yeah, I heard something about that... That's actually been in effect
    for many decades, at least for some countries... What's changing, I
    guess, is that more countries are going to require visas along with
    the passport...
    Right: off-hand don't know which countries but they have required a
    visa for decades. (And hence the joke 'but what about my
    MasterCard?'.) Not sure why the EU (European Union) will require
    visas, though I'd guess may have something to do with immigrants from
    the Mediterranean area.
    Quite likely.... and possibly also some softening of the
    relationship with the US....
    Possibly. I didn't see a reasoning, and also didn't much care to
    delve into why: will be needed, they're not going to make an exception
    just for me, easier to go with the flow and get a $50 (or whatever the
    cost) piece of paper.
    Yup... if one wishes to travel one needs must get the appropriate
    paperwork and pay the associated costs thereof.... ;)
    True -- wonder how the "take a year off to backpack through Europe"
    thing wiil be effected? I never did, don't know anyone who did, but envisioned it as more a 'where the wind blows me' type of thing.
    Passport seemed to allow anywhere, the upcoming need for a visa might
    put a crimp on that random travelling. ...Maybe not much difference
    if European Union -- on my past travels there were some trips when I didn't even know crossed a border except the eventual notice the
    signage wasn't in German.

    Maybe the visa you've been hearing about would be valid anywhere in the
    EU... that would make it easy enough still, I guess... And would make
    better sense....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jan 19 09:06:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    True... And now, there's no snow anywhere... I think even those
    piles melted off... the high today was in the low 60s, and it's been
    raining... with lots more to come through into tomorrow morning...
    although the temps have dropped closer to 40s already, I think...
    We received around an inch yesterday (Saturday). The good news was
    the icy layer wasn't that bad: a very thin layer and roughend enough
    not to be slick. Supposed to be just at freezing later for today's
    high and upper 30's tomorrow so walkways, etc., should be good until
    the next predicted snow -- Tuesday and Wednesday.
    In the interim, we've had a few inch or less, maybe a trace more
    storms, with warm weather between, so not staying around... At
    the moment, we are in the midst of a bit more aggressive storm...
    but still only likely to be 3-4 inches or so all told... Temps
    got almost got into single digits last night... it's warmed into
    the 30s today... But there's talk of wintry mix over night...
    that could ice things up...

    Might be the remnants of the storm I had. Received about 4" of snow,
    topped with sleet and rain so heavier than normal. Sections were
    heavier and didn't seem to always correspond to low spots - in the
    driveway nor drifting.

    This morning woke to -1 with a wind chill of -19.



    Generally I don't have time to sit and wait at that point so get out
    to scrape but do have the defogger on and set to high. There have been
    other times when the ice layer is too thin or too thick for the scaper
    and I do wait until the defogger has melted the attaching layer.
    One has to get out a little earlier to have the necessary time to get
    the car cleared... ;)
    Yes - trying to guess when to go out can be interesting: there were
    times when went out before breakfast and spent pretty much all the
    time clearing the driveway and cars and running late so grabbed
    something to eat when get to the store. Other times 'well that was
    easy' and have plenty of time.
    Yup... and best to have budgeted too much time than too little...
    Right. I could always find something to do, even if it's just watch
    the end of a show before heading off to work.
    If the weather is iffy enough, I might use the extra time to give
    a cushion in case the driving isn't all that nice, either....

    Have done that too; sometimes sitting in the parking lot waiting for
    someone with an outside key to open up. (I had an inside key.)


    I think I'd refer to that sort of thing more as conspicuous
    consumption... the always wanting bigger and more expensive whether
    or not it is needed...
    Yes, I'd agree. :) My thinking on entitlement might be tempered by
    acceptance: "OK, so you have eight billion dollars and want to buy a
    yacht. You can afford it and not make sacrifices elsewhere. Can I
    come someday? I'll bring some snacks!"
    That could work, if you happened to actually know someone like
    that... generally the billionaires are living in an entirely
    different world from us... :)
    Let's see -- the last time I dressed up in a tuxedo was..... <g>
    Indeed... that would be never, for either myself or Richard... ;)
    Guess we're just going to have a visit from what's-his-name from _The Lifestyles of the Rich and Obnox- err, Famous_!
    Even he'd not likely visit the likes of us... :)

    He doesn't know what he's missing!


    <passports and visas>
    Possibly. I didn't see a reasoning, and also didn't much care to
    delve into why: will be needed, they're not going to make an exception
    just for me, easier to go with the flow and get a $50 (or whatever the
    cost) piece of paper.
    Yup... if one wishes to travel one needs must get the appropriate
    paperwork and pay the associated costs thereof.... ;)
    True -- wonder how the "take a year off to backpack through Europe"
    thing wiil be effected? I never did, don't know anyone who did, but envisioned it as more a 'where the wind blows me' type of thing.
    Passport seemed to allow anywhere, the upcoming need for a visa might
    put a crimp on that random travelling. ...Maybe not much difference
    if European Union -- on my past travels there were some trips when I didn't even know crossed a border except the eventual notice the
    signage wasn't in German.
    Maybe the visa you've been hearing about would be valid anywhere
    in the EU... that would make it easy enough still, I guess... And
    would make better sense....

    I'm sort of thinking that: would make sense. Will find out when the
    time comes - and will triple-check the countries. And if just says
    "European Union" will have to remember Switzerland is not a member of
    the EU (but is part of the trade agreement).


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon Jan 27 02:55:16 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 19-Jan-2020 09:06 <=-

    So... I had high hopes of getting some catchup done yesterday... and
    then got first a 2 1/2 hour phone call in the middle of answering the
    four to Daryl.... then it was time to fix supper, and after supper, got
    a string of overlapping calls that lasted for another 1 1/2 hours... I
    gave up on doing messages, and just sent up the few I did have... I
    normally don't try to do messages on Sundays, but decided to at least do
    a few tonight to make up for yesterday....

    In the interim, we've had a few inch or less, maybe a trace more
    storms, with warm weather between, so not staying around... At the
    moment, we are in the midst of a bit more aggressive storm... but
    still only likely to be 3-4 inches or so all told... Temps almost got
    into single digits last night... it's warmed into the 30s today.. But
    there's talk of wintry mix over night... that could ice things up...
    Might be the remnants of the storm I had. Received about 4" of snow, topped with sleet and rain so heavier than normal. Sections were
    heavier and didn't seem to always correspond to low spots - in the driveway nor drifting.

    Probably was part of the same system.... :)

    This morning woke to -1 with a wind chill of -19.

    But we've not been having temps as cold as you, thankfully... :)

    Yes - trying to guess when to go out can be interesting: there were
    times when went out before breakfast and spent pretty much all the
    time clearing the driveway and cars and running late so grabbed
    something to eat when get to the store. Other times 'well that was
    easy' and have plenty of time.
    Yup... and best to have budgeted too much time than too little...
    Right. I could always find something to do, even if it's just watch
    the end of a show before heading off to work.
    If the weather is iffy enough, I might use the extra time to give
    a cushion in case the driving isn't all that nice, either....
    Have done that too; sometimes sitting in the parking lot waiting for someone with an outside key to open up. (I had an inside key.)

    Yup... and again, better to have guessed wrong that direction... ;)

    That could work, if you happened to actually know someone like
    that... generally the billionaires are living in an entirely
    different world from us... :)
    Let's see -- the last time I dressed up in a tuxedo was..... <g>
    Indeed... that would be never, for either myself or Richard... ;)
    Guess we're just going to have a visit from what's-his-name from _The
    Lifestyles of the Rich and Obnox- err, Famous_!
    Even he'd not likely visit the likes of us... :)
    He doesn't know what he's missing!

    Nor does he care, more'n likely... ;)

    <passports and visas>
    Yup... if one wishes to travel one needs must get the appropriate
    paperwork and pay the associated costs thereof.... ;)
    True -- wonder how the "take a year off to backpack through Europe"
    thing wiil be effected? I never did, don't know anyone who did, but
    envisioned it as more a 'where the wind blows me' type of thing.
    Passport seemed to allow anywhere, the upcoming need for a visa might
    put a crimp on that random travelling. ...Maybe not much difference
    if European Union -- on my past travels there were some trips when I
    didn't even know crossed a border except the eventual notice the
    signage wasn't in German.
    Maybe the visa you've been hearing about would be valid anywhere in
    the EU... that would make it easy enough still, I guess... And would
    make better sense....
    I'm sort of thinking that: would make sense. Will find out when the
    time comes - and will triple-check the countries. And if just says "European Union" will have to remember Switzerland is not a member of
    the EU (but is part of the trade agreement).

    And by then, Britain probably won't be part of the EU, either....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Mon Jan 27 10:03:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    So... I had high hopes of getting some catchup done yesterday...
    and then got first a 2 1/2 hour phone call in the middle of
    answering the four to Daryl.... then it was time to fix supper,
    and after supper, got a string of overlapping calls that lasted
    for another 1 1/2 hours... I gave up on doing messages, and just
    sent up the few I did have... I normally don't try to do
    messages on Sundays, but decided to at least do a few tonight to
    make up for yesterday....

    Those calls would have left me exhausted! I'm not much for talking
    on the phone anyway. Your 'overlapping' calls I'm almost taking as just
    about done with one and the next one buzzed through via Call Waiting. Hopefully with all those long calls at once it was not due to a family emergency.



    In the interim, we've had a few inch or less, maybe a trace more
    storms, with warm weather between, so not staying around... At the
    moment, we are in the midst of a bit more aggressive storm... but
    still only likely to be 3-4 inches or so all told... Temps almost got
    into single digits last night... it's warmed into the 30s today.. But
    there's talk of wintry mix over night... that could ice things up...
    Might be the remnants of the storm I had. Received about 4" of snow, topped with sleet and rain so heavier than normal. Sections were
    heavier and didn't seem to always correspond to low spots - in the driveway nor drifting.
    Probably was part of the same system.... :)

    The good news is your should be getting some relatively boring weather:
    here the past weekened and most of next week are supposed to be 'flat':
    low tempertures in the mid- to upper-twenties and highs barely above freezzing. Bad news of sorts is going to stay overcast. Friday
    they're forecasting a chance of snow: as I recall 20%.



    This morning woke to -1 with a wind chill of -19.
    But we've not been having temps as cold as you, thankfully... :)

    We've had the -19 as the air temperature!


    Yes - trying to guess when to go out can be interesting: there were
    times when went out before breakfast and spent pretty much all the
    time clearing the driveway and cars and running late so grabbed
    something to eat when get to the store. Other times 'well that was
    easy' and have plenty of time.
    Yup... and best to have budgeted too much time than too little...
    Right. I could always find something to do, even if it's just watch
    the end of a show before heading off to work.
    If the weather is iffy enough, I might use the extra time to give
    a cushion in case the driving isn't all that nice, either....
    Have done that too; sometimes sitting in the parking lot waiting for someone with an outside key to open up. (I had an inside key.)
    Yup... and again, better to have guessed wrong that direction...
    ;)

    Yes: IMO always better to be early for work/an appointment. Not only
    allows a buffer time for traffic incidents but one is more relaxed as
    didn't have to rush the clock, have bit of time to settle in, quick
    chat with people rather than flying by and a wave. Plus when late
    others tend to think it's not your fault as you're always early. :)


    That could work, if you happened to actually know someone like
    that... generally the billionaires are living in an entirely
    different world from us... :)
    Let's see -- the last time I dressed up in a tuxedo was..... <g>
    Indeed... that would be never, for either myself or Richard... ;)
    Guess we're just going to have a visit from what's-his-name from _The
    Lifestyles of the Rich and Obnox- err, Famous_!
    Even he'd not likely visit the likes of us... :)
    He doesn't know what he's missing!
    Nor does he care, more'n likely... ;)

    Probably not. ...."Creme de le legume de terre avec puree grapes sur
    blanche brioche". Think that translates from fractured Quebecois as
    'peanut butter and jelly on white bread'. <gg> ...Well, guess brioche
    is more a pastry bread -- egh,why not, was for company!



    <passports and visas>
    Yup... if one wishes to travel one needs must get the appropriate
    paperwork and pay the associated costs thereof.... ;)
    True -- wonder how the "take a year off to backpack through Europe"
    thing wiil be effected? I never did, don't know anyone who did, but
    envisioned it as more a 'where the wind blows me' type of thing.
    Passport seemed to allow anywhere, the upcoming need for a visa might
    put a crimp on that random travelling. ...Maybe not much difference
    if European Union -- on my past travels there were some trips when I
    didn't even know crossed a border except the eventual notice the
    signage wasn't in German.
    Maybe the visa you've been hearing about would be valid anywhere in
    the EU... that would make it easy enough still, I guess... And would
    make better sense....
    I'm sort of thinking that: would make sense. Will find out when the
    time comes - and will triple-check the countries. And if just says "European Union" will have to remember Switzerland is not a member of
    the EU (but is part of the trade agreement).
    And by then, Britain probably won't be part of the EU, either....

    Probably not: haven't heard too much about Brexit lately. Last I recall
    still in progress and still quite a bit of popular prefence to not
    removing themselves.



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Wed Jan 29 09:10:00 2020
    Barry,

    Yes: IMO always better to be early for work/an appointment. Not only BM>allows a buffer time for traffic incidents but one is more relaxed as BM>didn't have to rush the clock, have bit of time to settle in, quick
    chat with people rather than flying by and a wave. Plus when late
    others tend to think it's not your fault as you're always early. :)

    In the case of medical appointments, if you're late, you have to pay a
    $100 no show/late fee, and have to reschedule. I try to get to
    appointments at least 30 minutes early. If I'm lucky, they'll take me
    early.

    ... Most people make sense, I'm not one of them.

    That's only for people who manufacture coinage. <G>

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Thu Jan 30 15:38:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    Yes: IMO always better to be early for work/an appointment. Not only
    allows a buffer time for traffic incidents but one is more relaxed as
    didn't have to rush the clock, have bit of time to settle in, quick
    chat with people rather than flying by and a wave. Plus when late
    others tend to think it's not your fault as you're always early. :)
    In the case of medical appointments, if you're late, you have
    to pay a $100 no show/late fee, and have to reschedule. I try to
    get to appointments at least 30 minutes early. If I'm lucky,
    they'll take me early.

    Yes, forgot about that little detail!



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    You mean that nice Penny?



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Feb 1 20:56:30 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 27-Jan-2020 10:03 <=-

    So... I had high hopes of getting some catchup done yesterday... and
    then got first a 2 1/2 hour phone call in the middle of answering the
    four to Daryl.... then it was time to fix supper, and after supper,
    got a string of overlapping calls that lasted for another 1 1/2
    hours... I gave up on doing messages, and just sent up the few I did
    have... I normally don't try to do messages on Sundays, but decided
    to at least do a few tonight to make up for yesterday....
    Those calls would have left me exhausted! I'm not much for talking
    on the phone anyway.

    They did me, for sure... I do end up having some long counseling calls
    at times... enough so that I tend to not initiate calls needlessly...

    Your 'overlapping' calls I'm almost taking as just about done with
    one and the next one buzzed through via Call Waiting.

    Exactly the case... The first was winding down when the second came in,
    I'd been talking to the second for a while when the third came in, while talking to the third, the fourth came in and I just switched to it
    temporarily as I knew it would be short... and the fifth came just as I
    was finishing the third...

    Hopefully with all those long calls at once it was not due to
    a family emergency.

    Thankfully, no... :) Just a confluence of calls... A couple were
    call-backs, another a somewhat expected.... just that they were longer
    than thought they'd be, and all came at once... And the earlier call had
    been again semi-expected, but much longer than expected...

    In the interim, we've had a few inch or less, maybe a trace more
    storms, with warm weather between, so not staying around... At the
    moment, we are in the midst of a bit more aggressive storm... but
    still only likely to be 3-4 inches or so all told... Temps almost got
    into single digits last night... it's warmed into the 30s today.. But
    there's talk of wintry mix over night... that could ice things up...
    Might be the remnants of the storm I had. Received about 4" of snow,
    topped with sleet and rain so heavier than normal. Sections were
    heavier and didn't seem to always correspond to low spots - in the
    driveway nor drifting.
    Probably was part of the same system.... :)
    The good news is you should be getting some relatively boring
    weather: here the past weekened and most of next week are supposed to
    be 'flat': low temperatures in the mid- to upper-twenties and highs
    barely above freezzing. Bad news of sorts is going to stay overcast. Friday they're forecasting a chance of snow: as I recall 20%.

    We got similar, but the overcast included a lot of very fine snow-mist
    just about everyday... leaving a small skim of snow daily... We kept
    having promises of a sunny day, but only got a little of that one day, I
    forget which now... ;)

    This morning woke to -1 with a wind chill of -19.
    But we've not been having temps as cold as you, thankfully... :)
    We've had the -19 as the air temperature!

    That's too cold... <G>

    Yup... and best to have budgeted too much time than too little...
    Right. I could always find something to do, even if it's just watch
    the end of a show before heading off to work.
    If the weather is iffy enough, I might use the extra time to give
    a cushion in case the driving isn't all that nice, either....
    Have done that too; sometimes sitting in the parking lot waiting for someone with an outside key to open up. (I had an inside key.)
    Yup... and again, better to have guessed wrong that direction... ;)
    Yes: IMO always better to be early for work/an appointment. Not only allows a buffer time for traffic incidents but one is more relaxed as didn't have to rush the clock, have a bit of time to settle in, quick
    chat with people rather than flying by and a wave. Plus when late
    others tend to think it's not your fault as you're always early. :)

    This past week, we arrived very early for a couple of appointments... combination of leaving a little early, leaving lots of time just in case
    road conditions were worse than expected, and having taken less time
    clearing the vehicle than expected.... ;)

    Even he'd not likely visit the likes of us... :)
    He doesn't know what he's missing!
    Nor does he care, more'n likely... ;)
    Probably not. ...."Creme de le legume de terre avec puree grapes sur blanche brioche". Think that translates from fractured Quebecois as 'peanut butter and jelly on white bread'. <gg> ...Well, guess
    brioche is more a pastry bread -- egh,why not, was for company!

    [smile]

    <passports and visas>
    Maybe the visa you've been hearing about would be valid anywhere in
    the EU... that would make it easy enough still, I guess... And would
    make better sense....
    I'm sort of thinking that: would make sense. Will find out when the
    time comes - and will triple-check the countries. And if just says
    "European Union" will have to remember Switzerland is not a member of
    the EU (but is part of the trade agreement).
    And by then, Britain probably won't be part of the EU, either....
    Probably not: haven't heard too much about Brexit lately. Last I
    recall still in progress and still quite a bit of popular prefence to
    not removing themselves.

    It became official last night... the UK is now no longer part of the
    EU... still lots of bits to be ironed out, and trade deals to be worked
    out, etc...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Sat Feb 1 03:24:00 2020
    Barry,

    In the case of medical appointments, if you're late, you have
    to pay a $100 no show/late fee, and have to reschedule. I try to
    get to appointments at least 30 minutes early. If I'm lucky,
    they'll take me early.

    Yes, forgot about that little detail!

    Yep. One time, this lady had waited over 2 hours in the waiting room,
    so she presented a document to the receptionist...who asked what that
    was. The lady replied "This is MY BILL for waiting 2 hours". :P

    ... Most people make sense, I'm not one of them.
    That's only for people who manufacture coinage. <G>

    You mean that nice Penny?

    I keep hearing they're going to eliminate the penny, and round up the
    costs and taxes. Sounds like what they said years ago about the metric
    system taking over in the U.S.

    ... Useless Fact: Quarters have 119 grooves on their edge. Dimes only 118.

    How much of our tax dollars were spent to determine that??

    Daryl

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