• Power Failure wasRe: Do N

    From Ed Vance@454:1/105 to Barry Martin on Sat Jun 1 14:00:00 2019
    05-31-19 09:46 Barry Martin wrote to Nancy Backus about Do Not Call
    Howdy! Barry,

    @MSGID: <5CF29316.7657.ilnk-gen@capitolcityonline.net>
    I haven't been lurking here for awhile.
    As i read Your message to Nancy I decided to add my thoughts to the conversation going on between You, Her and Daryl (and maybe Others).
    -snip-
    I seem to remember reading was a method to gain knowledge before television and YouTube videos!

    Maybe You are not as old as I am but I remember sitting on the floor listening to the Radio.

    And considering that I'm not looking to tv or YouTube for
    information.... ;)

    Radio???

    Now we're really amazed! <g> ...For some reason popped in to my head elementary (school) level teaching styles must have changed to counter- act the easy route of tapping and clicking to get information instead
    of memorizing it.

    I have thought of buying a Tablet and putting a Spreadsheet on it to compare the prices that different stores have on the same product.

    Many Years ago My Wife kept a spiral notebook in Her purse for Me.
    I wrote down the prices for things we buy often and had pages for three or
    four Grocery Stores and Sam's (back then anyone who worked could buy from
    Sam's by paying an added 5% of the purchase price).

    I used that book and a circular sliderule.
    The sliderule helped Me compare the price per weight of different size
    packages of the same (or similar) product(s).

    It being round was easier to use than a old slip stick sliderule.
    I never had to readjust the slider, I just rotated it a bit to compare a
    price to see which one cost less Cents than the others.
    I didn't have to move the center slider part, just held My thumb on it when
    I wanted to know which one to buy.

    Where there anyone doing that at Your Store, or am I unique?

    Better too many calls than nobody... ;)
    I thought too many informants was a lot better than not being told.
    If the power goes out the reporting is relying on people being home.
    (Well, used to rely on; have read of smart distribution systems which
    self-report.)

    The Electric Company updated the electric meter on our house to one that
    the Meter Reader didn't have to come to our back yard to read.

    I believe, in each neighborhood they have a Wireless Hub that gathers readings from all of the meters in its area and sends reports to the Electric Co.

    I still use a Land Line Telephone, and I have entered the Emergency Number for the Electric Company on a button to use when the lights go out.

    I know unless the Telephone Poles have been blown down by a Storm I can still report a loss of power just by pressing one button on my phone set.

    People in my area who have Telephone Service through a Cable Company can't do that.
    When the A.C. Power fails, nothing works for them unless they have a UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supply) between their Cable Box and the Wall Outlet.

    I can because I know the Phone Co. has large Batteries in their building that supply power to their Land Line Phone Customers.

    Probably still is better when people also call it in...
    reassurance that the smart system is working properly.... ;)
    Right. Always the possibility of a phone call not being logged
    properly. A single phone call could create a very low priority outage; fifty phone calls from the same area should elevate the emergency-ness.

    Some time the Electric Company's Computer says I was the first caller to
    report a problem to them.

    OH!, My wrist, elbow and shoulder hurts when I pat Myself on My Back.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Ed Vance on Sun Jun 2 12:28:00 2019

    Hi Ed!

    As i read Your message to Nancy I decided to add my thoughts to
    the conversation going on between You, Her and Daryl (and maybe
    Others). -snip-
    I seem to remember reading was a method to gain knowledge before television and YouTube videos!
    Maybe You are not as old as I am but I remember sitting on the
    floor listening to the Radio.

    Listen to the radio? Heck: I repaired several so could listen!


    And considering that I'm not looking to tv or YouTube for
    information.... ;)
    Radio???

    I wonder if people realize TV was derived from radio?


    Now we're really amazed! <g> ...For some reason popped in to my head elementary (school) level teaching styles must have changed to counter- act the easy route of tapping and clicking to get information instead
    of memorizing it.
    I have thought of buying a Tablet and putting a Spreadsheet on it
    to compare the prices that different stores have on the same
    product.

    Probably could pull up something like PriceGrabber and have them do for
    you, at least for the national and regional stores. Granny Gums Candy
    and Fish Bait Shop probably would not be listed.


    Many Years ago My Wife kept a spiral notebook in Her purse for
    Me. I wrote down the prices for things we buy often and had pages
    for three or four Grocery Stores and Sam's (back then anyone who
    worked could buy from Sam's by paying an added 5% of the purchase
    price).
    I used that book and a circular sliderule.
    The sliderule helped Me compare the price per weight of different
    size packages of the same (or similar) product(s).

    That part would be handy, even within the same store. Is the 14 oz
    version cheaper per ounce than the triple pack of 39 oz?


    It being round was easier to use than a old slip stick sliderule.
    I never had to readjust the slider, I just rotated it a bit to
    compare a price to see which one cost less Cents than the others.
    I didn't have to move the center slider part, just held My thumb
    on it when I wanted to know which one to buy.

    I remember doing something similar with hard drives. Was it cheaper per megabyte to buy a smaller capacity or a larger one?


    Where there anyone doing that at Your Store, or am I unique?

    I've never seen anyone calculate but I have considered going to the
    store with a calculator.


    Better too many calls than nobody... ;)
    I thought too many informants was a lot better than not being told.
    If the power goes out the reporting is relying on people being home.
    (Well, used to rely on; have read of smart distribution systems which
    self-report.)
    The Electric Company updated the electric meter on our house to
    one that the Meter Reader didn't have to come to our back yard to
    read.
    I believe, in each neighborhood they have a Wireless Hub that
    gathers readings from all of the meters in its area and sends
    reports to the Electric Co.

    That's a possibility. I know some frequencies (for certain 120 KHz)
    generally don't go through the phases oa a pole transformer and so
    wireless communictaions would make sense.


    I still use a Land Line Telephone, and I have entered the
    Emergency Number for the Electric Company on a button to use when
    the lights go out.

    I 'threatened' to! Not an actual threat, but said as a joke as until
    they changed the pole transformer in the back yard (the utilty lines run between properties instead of along the street) it was 'constantly'
    having the fuse blow when birds or squirrels got too inquisitive. A
    couple of phones have the Power Outage number posted nearby.


    I know unless the Telephone Poles have been blown down by a Storm
    I can still report a loss of power just by pressing one button on
    my phone set.
    People in my area who have Telephone Service through a Cable
    Company can't do that.
    When the A.C. Power fails, nothing works for them unless they
    have a UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supply) between their Cable Box
    and the Wall Outlet.

    And most people think a UPS is a delivery company! Those peoples'
    saving is probably via their cell phone which would go from the
    household WiFi to the cell tower.



    I can because I know the Phone Co. has large Batteries in their
    building that supply power to their Land Line Phone Customers.

    Right, and at least at the Central Office down the hill from me their
    DSL computers aren't on any sport of backup power. Telephone service
    will continue to work, the DSL portion stops.


    Probably still is better when people also call it in...
    reassurance that the smart system is working properly.... ;)
    Right. Always the possibility of a phone call not being logged
    properly. A single phone call could create a very low priority outage; fifty phone calls from the same area should elevate the emergency-ness.
    Some time the Electric Company's Computer says I was the first
    caller to report a problem to them.

    Yes, I've heard that too - I win!! <g>


    OH!, My wrist, elbow and shoulder hurts when I pat Myself on My
    Back.

    You need to get one of my Pat Yourself on the Back Extenders - patent
    pending!


    Barry_Martin_3@
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  • From Ed Vance@454:1/105 to Barry Martin on Mon Jun 3 22:50:00 2019
    06-02-19 12:28 Barry Martin wrote to Ed Vance about Power Failure wasRe: Do N Howdy! Barry,

    @MSGID: <5CF5360C.7696.ilnk-gen@capitolcityonline.net>

    Hi Ed!

    As i read Your message to Nancy I decided to add my thoughts to
    the conversation going on between You, Her and Daryl (and maybe
    Others). -snip-
    I seem to remember reading was a method to gain knowledge before television and YouTube videos!
    Maybe You are not as old as I am but I remember sitting on the
    floor listening to the Radio.

    Listen to the radio? Heck: I repaired several so could listen!

    Were You repairing radios in the very late 1950's?
    If so, You are older than I thought.
    I'm 77 and I was around 8 or 11 years old when I listened to Joe Louis
    fighting some body.
    I remember hearing The Green Hornet and Buz Sawyer back then before my
    family got a Philco 12 Inch T.V. Set.

    If You were also repairing Televisions back then, that Philco set had a
    12LP4A Picture Tube in it. If I recall correctly, it has been a long time
    when that TV Set came up to the room Me and My Brothers slept in.
    1966 was the last time I used that television set.

    And considering that I'm not looking to tv or YouTube for
    information.... ;)
    Radio???

    I wonder if people realize TV was derived from radio?

    Is that something like radio was derived from spark gap transmitters?

    No, I never used one, but met a Ham Radio Operator who showed Me a mark in
    the palm of His hand that happened while He was using a telegraph key while transmitting one day, and ZAP it happened to Him.

    Now we're really amazed! <g> ...For some reason popped in to my head elementary (school) level teaching styles must have changed to counter- act the easy route of tapping and clicking to get information instead
    of memorizing it.
    I have thought of buying a Tablet and putting a Spreadsheet on it
    to compare the prices that different stores have on the same
    product.

    Probably could pull up something like PriceGrabber and have them do for you, at least for the national and regional stores. Granny Gums Candy
    and Fish Bait Shop probably would not be listed.

    Thanks for the PriceGrabber website name.

    I was only thinking of using the Tablet Off Line.

    I was thinking if I needed to download something from the GoogleStore, like
    the Spreadsheet, that I would grab it with this XP computer and move it over
    to the Tablet with a USB cable.

    I already pay for DSL here at the house, I think probably I am too cheep to want to pay for a internet or telephone Account for the Tablet.

    Because I have a Ham Radio License I never have wanted Wi-Fi on my computer
    set up.

    I almost bought my first Cordless telephone set last year, but someone changed the Price Lables around (OR moved the two different telephones on the shelf), so I didn't get the Cordless telephone, I got a SpeakerPhone with digital answering machine in it.

    I learned when I delete a call someone recorded on the new phone that I can't play it back again as I could do on the old Phone with the Mini-Cassette Tape.

    You're probably not back in the dark ages like I am.

    Many Years ago My Wife kept a spiral notebook in Her purse for
    Me. I wrote down the prices for things we buy often and had pages
    for three or four Grocery Stores and Sam's (back then anyone who
    worked could buy from Sam's by paying an added 5% of the purchase
    price).
    I used that book and a circular sliderule.
    The sliderule helped Me compare the price per weight of different
    size packages of the same (or similar) product(s).

    That part would be handy, even within the same store. Is the 14 oz version cheaper per ounce than the triple pack of 39 oz?

    That is what the book was for.

    It being round was easier to use than a old slip stick sliderule.
    I never had to readjust the slider, I just rotated it a bit to
    compare a price to see which one cost less Cents than the others.
    I didn't have to move the center slider part, just held My thumb
    on it when I wanted to know which one to buy.

    I remember doing something similar with hard drives. Was it cheaper
    per megabyte to buy a smaller capacity or a larger one?

    I got interested in having a 486DX33 built back in the early 1990's.
    Then the computers being sold had just jumped from having a 120MB HDD and
    the newer ones had a 220MB HDD in them.

    I thought getting a 300MB(or 330MB) HDD was a better idea, until a friend
    got a Packard Bell pc with a 420MB HDD in it.

    Where there anyone doing that at Your Store, or am I unique?

    I've never seen anyone calculate but I have considered going to the
    store with a calculator.


    Better too many calls than nobody... ;)
    I thought too many informants was a lot better than not being told.
    If the power goes out the reporting is relying on people being home.
    (Well, used to rely on; have read of smart distribution systems which
    self-report.)
    The Electric Company updated the electric meter on our house to
    one that the Meter Reader didn't have to come to our back yard to
    read.
    I believe, in each neighborhood they have a Wireless Hub that
    gathers readings from all of the meters in its area and sends
    reports to the Electric Co.

    That's a possibility. I know some frequencies (for certain 120 KHz) generally don't go through the phases oa a pole transformer and so wireless communictaions would make sense.

    I was thinking that the new Electric Meter(s) had a Wi-Fi transmitter in them. But I don't know for sure, I never read up about that Newer Technology.

    I still use a Land Line Telephone, and I have entered the
    Emergency Number for the Electric Company on a button to use when
    the lights go out.

    I 'threatened' to! Not an actual threat, but said as a joke as until
    they changed the pole transformer in the back yard (the utilty lines
    run between properties instead of along the street) it was 'constantly' having the fuse blow when birds or squirrels got too inquisitive. A couple of phones have the Power Outage number posted nearby.

    I know unless the Telephone Poles have been blown down by a Storm
    I can still report a loss of power just by pressing one button on
    my phone set.
    People in my area who have Telephone Service through a Cable
    Company can't do that.
    When the A.C. Power fails, nothing works for them unless they
    have a UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supply) between their Cable Box
    and the Wall Outlet.

    And most people think a UPS is a delivery company! Those peoples'
    saving is probably via their cell phone which would go from the
    household WiFi to the cell tower.

    While the power was off I started my DSL Modem and CAT5 Router on UPS power. Both of those started up O.K.
    But when I pressed the Power Button the this XP pc the UPS started beeping,
    I guess trying to start up a computer is a lot different than Shutting Down a computerthat is running MS Windows, and doing it gracefully.

    I can because I know the Phone Co. has large Batteries in their
    building that supply power to their Land Line Phone Customers.

    Right, and at least at the Central Office down the hill from me their
    DSL computers aren't on any sport of backup power. Telephone service
    will continue to work, the DSL portion stops.

    I've had the XP pc, DSL Moden, Router and Monitor on the UPS for a long time and whenever the Power Failed I still had DSL and could Log Off of a website
    if I needed to, before Turning Off (OR Hibernating) this XP pc.

    Some Years ago the Land Line Quit but the DSL worked O.K.
    I went next door and called AT&T Repair Service.

    Later I asked someone at the Phone Company and was told the Wire from my house that came in the Telephone Exchange went through some circuits that seperated the Voice from the DSL Data.
    The Voice part when to one section in the building and the DSL went to another part of the building.

    Probably still is better when people also call it in...
    reassurance that the smart system is working properly.... ;)
    Right. Always the possibility of a phone call not being logged
    properly. A single phone call could create a very low priority outage; fifty phone calls from the same area should elevate the emergency-ness.
    Some time the Electric Company's Computer says I was the first
    caller to report a problem to them.

    Yes, I've heard that too - I win!! <g>

    This morning at 8:03AM the AC Power was off and I reported it and their computer voice I was the first caller.

    The power came back on 50 minutes later.

    OH!, My wrist, elbow and shoulder hurts when I pat Myself on My
    Back.

    You need to get one of my Pat Yourself on the Back Extenders - patent pending!

    Patened by Barry Martin, I suppose?

    Does the Store You work at carry them?

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Ed Vance on Tue Jun 4 09:18:00 2019

    Hi Ed!

    As i read Your message to Nancy I decided to add my thoughts to
    the conversation going on between You, Her and Daryl (and maybe
    Others). -snip-
    I seem to remember reading was a method to gain knowledge before television and YouTube videos!
    Maybe You are not as old as I am but I remember sitting on the
    floor listening to the Radio.
    Listen to the radio? Heck: I repaired several so could listen!
    Were You repairing radios in the very late 1950's?
    If so, You are older than I thought.

    No, closer to the mid-60's

    I'm 77 and I was around 8 or 11 years old when I listened to Joe
    Louis fighting some body.

    I'm a dozen years younger.


    I remember hearing The Green Hornet and Buz Sawyer back then
    before my family got a Philco 12 Inch T.V. Set.

    Dad would tell me bedtime stories of when he was growing up. I not
    recalling anything about when he listened to the radio or watched TV. (I
    do recall we had a largish Hallicrafters television in the Den.) One
    thing that sort of stuck with me was his comments on Dick Tracy comic
    and his two-way wrist radio. People saying that was impossible; even
    when I was being told the stories the size was being reduced to carry
    around in the hand. Now look!


    If You were also repairing Televisions back then, that Philco set
    had a 12LP4A Picture Tube in it. If I recall correctly, it has
    been a long time when that TV Set came up to the room Me and My
    Brothers slept in. 1966 was the last time I used that television
    set.

    "12" would have been 12 inch screen and "P4" for the white emission.
    Moving the TV around never crossed the mind, though I do recall years
    later friends having a portable TV with built-in rabbit ears on a
    rolling metal cart; cart was sturdy enough looking but the wheels seemed flimsy.



    And considering that I'm not looking to tv or YouTube for
    information.... ;)
    Radio???
    I wonder if people realize TV was derived from radio?
    Is that something like radio was derived from spark gap
    transmitters?

    ...And what were those derived from? Was Marconi the inventor or just
    the one in the history books?


    No, I never used one, but met a Ham Radio Operator who showed Me
    a mark in the palm of His hand that happened while He was using a telegraph key while transmitting one day, and ZAP it happened to
    Him.

    Ouch!


    Now we're really amazed! <g> ...For some reason popped in to my head elementary (school) level teaching styles must have changed to counter- act the easy route of tapping and clicking to get information instead
    of memorizing it.
    I have thought of buying a Tablet and putting a Spreadsheet on it
    to compare the prices that different stores have on the same
    product.
    Probably could pull up something like PriceGrabber and have them do for you, at least for the national and regional stores. Granny Gums Candy
    and Fish Bait Shop probably would not be listed.
    Thanks for the PriceGrabber website name.

    Sure! :) Do do some looking around at your favourite sites:
    PriceGrabber doesn't always list current prices and doesn't scan all
    sites. Jet.com is sometimes useful too. ...A little while ago I needed
    some piezoelectric speakers so I could hear the 'motherboard beep' (BIOS
    beep codes). Googled 'motherboard speaker' because I couldn't recall 'piezoelectric' (plus was a little mor eprecise in what I wanted).
    Their "sponsored" ads at the top had a ten-pack from Walmart at $10.10!
    $1.01 each! And free shipping!! Grabbed that deal! At the time was
    better than what I saw on eBay or Amazon.


    I was only thinking of using the Tablet Off Line.

    May be a litle restrictive. You calculator function would work; enter a file/spreadsheet for the price comparisons. ...I don't know: I've not
    done that sort of thing in a store.


    I was thinking if I needed to download something from the
    GoogleStore, like the Spreadsheet, that I would grab it with this
    XP computer and move it over to the Tablet with a USB cable.
    I already pay for DSL here at the house, I think probably I am
    too cheep to want to pay for a internet or telephone Account for
    the Tablet.

    WiFi? My DSL Gateway ("router", "modem") has built-in WiFi. If not
    built in could get an external unit (go for one with 2.4 and 5 GHz
    capabaility.


    Because I have a Ham Radio License I never have wanted Wi-Fi on
    my computer set up.

    Scratch the above!


    I almost bought my first Cordless telephone set last year, but
    someone changed the Price Lables around (OR moved the two
    different telephones on the shelf), so I didn't get the Cordless telephone, I got a SpeakerPhone with digital answering machine in
    it.

    Speakerphones are handy! I don't like being talked to on one (most
    people talk too far away and sounds like their far away in a barrel) and
    so I rarely so but handy for on-hook dialing -- listen to "please hold
    for the next available agent - your call is very important to us" while
    doing something minor near the phone. Use the handset when they get
    on-line.


    I learned when I delete a call someone recorded on the new phone
    that I can't play it back again as I could do on the old Phone
    with the Mini-Cassette Tape.

    <chuckle> Nope: <delete> and it's gone! I would guess there might be a
    way to recover but only be a technician. Or maybe those positions on
    the chip are scrambled and totally unrecoverable. Hopefully there is a battery backup for the answering machine. Mine won't save the outgoing message (OGM) but does the message/s.


    You're probably not back in the dark ages like I am.

    Yes and no. I did finally get a new cell phone a couple years back
    because I wanted to use it to take photos of my visit to Vienna. That
    is Cell Phone #2 for me; first one I had was a Nokia 1110 - something
    like that -- want to send a text? 6-M-N-O "O" 5-J-K "K" OK.

    ...Still don't text; can see advantages but for me easier to ask a
    question and get an answer live.


    Many Years ago My Wife kept a spiral notebook in Her purse for
    Me. I wrote down the prices for things we buy often and had pages
    for three or four Grocery Stores and Sam's (back then anyone who
    worked could buy from Sam's by paying an added 5% of the purchase
    price).
    I used that book and a circular sliderule.
    The sliderule helped Me compare the price per weight of different
    size packages of the same (or similar) product(s).
    That part would be handy, even within the same store. Is the 14 oz version cheaper per ounce than the triple pack of 39 oz?
    That is what the book was for.

    Now I need bigger and more pockets to carry more stuff around!


    It being round was easier to use than a old slip stick sliderule.
    I never had to readjust the slider, I just rotated it a bit to
    compare a price to see which one cost less Cents than the others.
    I didn't have to move the center slider part, just held My thumb
    on it when I wanted to know which one to buy.
    I remember doing something similar with hard drives. Was it cheaper
    per megabyte to buy a smaller capacity or a larger one?
    I got interested in having a 486DX33 built back in the early
    1990's. Then the computers being sold had just jumped from having
    a 120MB HDD and the newer ones had a 220MB HDD in them.
    I thought getting a 300MB(or 330MB) HDD was a better idea, until
    a friend got a Packard Bell pc with a 420MB HDD in it.
    Where there anyone doing that at Your Store, or am I unique?

    Our store's customers tended to either know what they wanted, so came
    in, looked and compared two, maybe three offerings, selected, paid and
    left. The other group pretty much didn't have a clue and pretty much
    did the "all I know is I want one, which one do you like and I'll take
    it". Probably would have been a great sale for someone in it just for
    the money but I prefer to have a happy customer. (The guy who trained
    me when I first started -- over in the TVs and Stereos Department - with
    VCRs, camcorders, etc. - pretty much memorized the monthly commission
    table and sold his customers whatever made him the most money, whether
    it was right for the customer or not. 'Oddly' he had amongst the
    highest returns and I had was in the lowest group.)

    Anyway, seemed the 'middle group' of computers had similar specs -- a
    higher capacity 400 MB hard drive in one unit was counterbalanced by
    another unit having a programme useful to that customer, etc. ...And my selling predated those drives: I was selling when 20 and 40 MB drives
    were inside!



    Better too many calls than nobody... ;)
    I thought too many informants was a lot better than not being told.
    If the power goes out the reporting is relying on people being home.
    (Well, used to rely on; have read of smart distribution systems which
    self-report.)
    The Electric Company updated the electric meter on our house to
    one that the Meter Reader didn't have to come to our back yard to
    read.
    I believe, in each neighborhood they have a Wireless Hub that
    gathers readings from all of the meters in its area and sends
    reports to the Electric Co.
    That's a possibility. I know some frequencies (for certain 120 KHz) generally don't go through the phases oa a pole transformer and so wireless communictaions would make sense.
    I was thinking that the new Electric Meter(s) had a Wi-Fi
    transmitter in them. But I don't know for sure, I never read up
    about that Newer Technology.

    I'm not sure but have read/skimmed through articles on the Internet of
    Things (IoT) which include your refrigerator telling you the ice tray is
    full and the thermostat on the wall can be controlled from your
    SmartPhone. It seems some and possibly all remote-read electric meters
    are part of the IoT and the problem is all the devices use the same few
    bands and naturally those bands are getting overcrowded. ...For a while
    I was having constant (but not consistent) problems with my desk
    "weather station" clock connecting to the outdoor sensor. What
    frequency? 433 MHz - now termed as part of the IoT. So my
    interefence/no signal problems could have been due to the electric meter 'talking' or the neighbours' grandson's wireless keyboard to his
    Playstation. Gee, thanks! Like I can narrow down and so work around
    that variety! Ended up when I replaced the batteries in the sensor the connection issues mostly went away. ??!! Didn't start with that battery
    set but certainly finished. Didn't seem to be a battery connector
    issue: had pulled the batteries to reset the sensor, etc.



    I still use a Land Line Telephone, and I have entered the
    Emergency Number for the Electric Company on a button to use when
    the lights go out.
    I 'threatened' to! Not an actual threat, but said as a joke as until
    they changed the pole transformer in the back yard (the utilty lines
    run between properties instead of along the street) it was 'constantly' having the fuse blow when birds or squirrels got too inquisitive. A couple of phones have the Power Outage number posted nearby.
    I know unless the Telephone Poles have been blown down by a Storm
    I can still report a loss of power just by pressing one button on
    my phone set.
    People in my area who have Telephone Service through a Cable
    Company can't do that.
    When the A.C. Power fails, nothing works for them unless they
    have a UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supply) between their Cable Box
    and the Wall Outlet.
    And most people think a UPS is a delivery company! Those peoples'
    saving is probably via their cell phone which would go from the
    household WiFi to the cell tower.
    While the power was off I started my DSL Modem and CAT5 Router on
    UPS power. Both of those started up O.K.
    But when I pressed the Power Button the this XP pc the UPS
    started beeping, I guess trying to start up a computer is a lot
    different than Shutting Down a computerthat is running MS
    Windows, and doing it gracefully.

    The UPS beeping is usually indicative of it being overloaded -- too many
    things on it but seems like your loading wasn't that much. At one time
    I had a DEC LA50 dot matrix printer, the XT computer, monitor, DSL
    Gateway, fluorescent desk lamp, maybe another item or two on a probably
    800VA UPS. Never powered up the computer during a power failure (was
    already on) but turning on the printer did make the UPS chirp of a
    momentary overload.

    Time for a bigger capacity (with long runtime!) UPS and split the backup functions? Here my computer and monitor are on a UPS, the computer I use
    for recording TV shows on its own...



    I can because I know the Phone Co. has large Batteries in their
    building that supply power to their Land Line Phone Customers.
    Right, and at least at the Central Office down the hill from me their
    DSL computers aren't on any sport of backup power. Telephone service
    will continue to work, the DSL portion stops.
    I've had the XP pc, DSL Moden, Router and Monitor on the UPS for
    a long time and whenever the Power Failed I still had DSL and
    could Log Off of a website if I needed to, before Turning Off (OR Hibernating) this XP pc.

    I usually have DSL service, just have noticed some power blinks up here
    on the hill have caused my DSL Gateway to go looking for a DSL signal.
    Not often enough for me to complain to the phone company - few times a
    year?


    Some Years ago the Land Line Quit but the DSL worked O.K.
    I went next door and called AT&T Repair Service.
    Later I asked someone at the Phone Company and was told the Wire
    from my house that came in the Telephone Exchange went through
    some circuits that seperated the Voice from the DSL Data.
    The Voice part when to one section in the building and the DSL
    went to another part of the building.

    Sounds correct.



    This morning at 8:03AM the AC Power was off and I reported it and
    their computer voice I was the first caller.
    The power came back on 50 minutes later.

    Relatively quickly! Several years back if the fuse blew on the pole transformer in the back yard (took out this house and some of the
    neighbours) the repair guys would replace it in about 45 minutes, which
    was juuuust under the time the UPSs were running: getting those
    fast-beep warnings the battery was almost out of power. Now their
    response time isn't as fast, so beyond the runtime of the UPSs (even
    with upgrades to 9 AH betteries). Usually have the power back on in a
    little over an hour, which still isn't bad.


    OH!, My wrist, elbow and shoulder hurts when I pat Myself on My
    Back.
    You need to get one of my Pat Yourself on the Back Extenders - patent pending!
    Patened by Barry Martin, I suppose?

    Of course!


    Does the Store You work at carry them?

    No, but then I retired three years back and then about a year ago
    Corporate closed the store where I worked. Maybe five or six years ago Corporate closed the sister store across the River and we did 'adopt' a
    few of their people.



    Barry_Martin_3@
    @Q.COM



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Thu Jun 6 09:02:00 2019
    Barry,

    The UPS beeping is usually indicative of it being overloaded -- too many BM>things on it but seems like your loading wasn't that much. At one time
    I had a DEC LA50 dot matrix printer, the XT computer, monitor, DSL BM>Gateway, fluorescent desk lamp, maybe another item or two on a probably BM>800VA UPS. Never powered up the computer during a power failure (was BM>already on) but turning on the printer did make the UPS chirp of a BM>momentary overload.

    Mine beeps to alert me if there's a power interruption.

    I usually have DSL service, just have noticed some power blinks up here BM>on the hill have caused my DSL Gateway to go looking for a DSL signal. BM>Not often enough for me to complain to the phone company - few times a BM>year?

    That was more the rule than the exception here...the AT&T DSL modem
    would permanently fail during power outages or lightning strikes. After
    how bad their Customer Service Department treated my Mom and myself
    (hanging up on me, and making her wait a week to get phone service (she couldn't even call 911, and she was disabled with medical issues), I
    resolved once I put her in the nursing home, to CUT OFF ALL AT&T service...UVerse, Landline, Cellphone, etc. -- and I never looked back.
    I pay $45 a year for Voice Mail for MagicJack, and $51 a month for
    Straight Talk Cellphone Service (the best cellphone plan I've ever had).
    AT&T can't even touch those prices.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Sat Jun 8 09:08:00 2019

    Hi Daryl!

    The UPS beeping is usually indicative of it being overloaded -- too many
    things on it but seems like your loading wasn't that much. At one time
    I had a DEC LA50 dot matrix printer, the XT computer, monitor, DSL
    Gateway, fluorescent desk lamp, maybe another item or two on a probably
    800VA UPS. Never powered up the computer during a power failure (was
    already on) but turning on the printer did make the UPS chirp of a
    momentary overload.
    Mine beeps to alert me if there's a power interruption.

    That too! ...Gets a little noisy up here.


    I usually have DSL service, just have noticed some power blinks up here
    on the hill have caused my DSL Gateway to go looking for a DSL signal.
    Not often enough for me to complain to the phone company - few times a
    year?
    That was more the rule than the exception here...the AT&T DSL
    modem would permanently fail during power outages or lightning
    strikes. After how bad their Customer Service Department treated
    my Mom and myself (hanging up on me, and making her wait a week
    to get phone service (she couldn't even call 911, and she was
    disabled with medical issues), I resolved once I put her in the
    nursing home, to CUT OFF ALL AT&T service...UVerse, Landline,
    Cellphone, etc. -- and I never looked back. I pay $45 a year for
    Voice Mail for MagicJack, and $51 a month for Straight Talk
    Cellphone Service (the best cellphone plan I've ever had). AT&T
    can't even touch those prices.

    Yes, I don't blame you for severing all relations because of that
    treatment. A week for the DSL service repair is bad enough, without
    phone service for even a few days is horrible.


    Barry_Martin_3@
    @Q.COM



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