• Re: moving or not was: C

    From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Fri May 31 16:20:00 2019
    Nancy,

    From what I've seen here, the Amtrak seems to share the tracks with the NB>freight trains.... If stopped at tracks, could be for either one...

    Correct. Outside of the northeast corridor and a few other areas,
    Amtrak shares the tracks with host freight railroads.

    The flooding has gotten so bad that all Amtrak service between St.
    Louis and Fort Worth (including cities like Poplar Bluff, Little Rock, Texarkana, Longview, Mineola, and Dallas) has been suspended at least
    through June 7. Hopefully, the floodwaters will have receded by
    September.

    That would certainly make things take longer... does the same thing for NB>multiple leg airplane trips....

    At least if the train is late, I have a bit of a cushion. Plus, with
    the long layover time, it makes it "a guaranteed connection". If it's
    missed, Amtrak will provide alternate transportation on Amtrak, another
    carrier (bus or plane), or overnight hotel accommodations, at their
    discretion.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Tue Jun 4 23:09:02 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 31-May-2019 16:20 <=-

    From what I've seen here, the Amtrak seems to share the tracks with the
    freight trains.... If stopped at tracks, could be for either one...

    Correct. Outside of the northeast corridor and a few other areas,
    Amtrak shares the tracks with host freight railroads.

    I take it that the northeast corridor doesn't come as far west as
    western NYS....?

    The flooding has gotten so bad that all Amtrak service between St.
    Louis and Fort Worth (including cities like Poplar Bluff, Little Rock, Texarkana, Longview, Mineola, and Dallas) has been suspended at least through June 7. Hopefully, the floodwaters will have receded by
    September.

    Indeed.... and not just for the sake of your trip...

    That would certainly make things take longer... does the same thing
    for multiple leg airplane trips....

    At least if the train is late, I have a bit of a cushion.

    And that's also the case with an airplane trip... a long enough layover
    pretty much guarantees that even if your first leg is running late, you
    should be able to make your connection....

    Plus, with the long layover time, it makes it "a guaranteed
    connection". If it's missed, Amtrak will provide alternate
    transportation on Amtrak, another carrier (bus or plane), or
    overnight hotel accommodations, at their discretion.

    That's not a guaranteed with the airlines... But that is a very nice
    setup for a train trip.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Wed Jun 5 09:23:00 2019
    Nancy,

    I take it that the northeast corridor doesn't come as far west as
    western NYS....?

    Correct. It mainly is with Boston, New York City, Washington, DC, and Philadelphia. They advertise it as "high speed", but with station stops,
    etc. the average speed is only around 60 mph. But, when I take the
    train, I can relax in the fact that "someone else is doing the driving",
    and that "I'm on Terra Firma" if something happens, and not "falling out
    of the sky".

    Indeed.... and not just for the sake of your trip...

    The Arkansas River is to crest later today at Little Rock at nearly 7
    feet above flood stage. The Flood Warning shows it NOT going back below
    flood stage until June 15...10 days from now...and that forecast could
    change with forecast rain upstream in Kansas and Oklahoma...along with
    rain and thunderstorms here later today into Sunday. When it finally
    starts to dry out around here, I doubt many folks will complain...until
    they get high fire danger and burn bans. :P But, we won't have to worry
    about water rationing for a good while!!

    And that's also the case with an airplane trip... a long enough layover NB>pretty much guarantees that even if your first leg is running late, you NB>should be able to make your connection....

    Amtrak does NOT recommend connections less than 90 minutes, especially
    at hubs, and outside the Northeast Corridor. Connections less than 30
    minutes are NOT ticketed, EXCEPT with the passengers written consent,
    and with the condition that Amtrak is NOT liable in the event of a
    missed connection. Now, if a guaranteed connection (at least 2 hours) is missed, Amtrak will either provide alternate transportation on Amtrak,
    another carrier (bus or plane), or overnight hotel accommodations, at
    Amtrak's discretion.

    That happened in me in June, 2001. My plan was to take the Texas Eagle
    from Little Rock to Chicago...then connect to The Empire Bulder at
    Chicago to go to Spokane, where the train split into a section for
    Seattle, and one for Portland...then connect to The Coast Starlight at
    Portland to go to Los Angeles...then connect to The Pacific Surfliner
    (formerly the San Diegans) to go to Anaheim, California (my destination
    for the National Square Dance Convention that year). Except for the
    Pacific Surfliner, everything was via Sleeping Car Roomette...for my
    privacy, and for my meals on board.

    But, this day, the Texas Eagle was more than 2 hours late, so I missed
    the connection at Chicago. So, Amtrak put me up for the night at the
    Radisson in Chicago, and got me out the next day on The Southwest Chief.
    I got to Los Angeles, and eventually Anaheim 12 hours earlier than I
    would have otherwise.

    That's not a guaranteed with the airlines... But that is a very nice NB>setup for a train trip.... :)

    On this trip (my final one), it'll be as follows:

    OUTBOUND:

    1) Little Rock to Saint Louis (The Texas Eagle)
    2) Saint Louis to Kansas City (Missouri River Runner)
    3) Kansas City to Albuquerque (The Southwest Chief)
    4) Albuquerque to Isleta Pueblo Hotel Casino (New Mexico Rail Runner)

    The hotel/casino provides shuttle service from the Rail Runner stop to
    the hotel, so no worries about ground transportation while there. I have
    an extended layover in Saint Louis in both directions, so I have a
    connection cushion, if need be.

    RETURN:

    1) Isleta Pueblo Hotel Casino to Albuquerque (New Mexico Rail Runner)
    2) Albuquerque to Kansas City (The Southwest Chief)
    3) Kansas City to Saint Louis (Missouri River Runner)
    4) Saint Louis to Dallas (The Texas Eagle)
    5) Dallas to Little Rock (The Texas Eagle)

    For The Texas Eagle and The Southwest Chief, I'll be in a Sleeping Car Roomette. So, I get my privacy, plus my meals (breakfast, lunch, and
    dinner (excluding appetizers and alcoholic beverages (I'll skip both))
    are included in the price of the ticket.

    For the Missouri River Runner, I get complementary soft drinks (I'll
    still have to buy my snacks, etc. on board), and a special car, with
    more legroom than coach (which has plenty of leg room already).

    On the return trip, going down to Dallas means I don't have to get up
    at 2:30am to worry about getting off in Little Rock. I'll have a 3 1/2
    hour layover in Dallas (if the train is on time) to meet some fellow ham
    radio operators, before catching the northbound train back home...ending
    my out of state travel.

    Total rail fare (including Sleeping Car and the Rail Runner) was
    $1480...more than 3 times LESS than the cost of the Generac Generator. I
    may get that eventually...but wanted this trip more...and I don't lose
    power that often.

    Now, if flooding still exists, and the routes are cancelled, it's a
    "force majeure" event...in which case, I'd be entitled to reschedule a
    trip, get an eVoucher for a future trip, or get a full refund. Normally, there's a penalty for a refund, but no such penalty exists because of "a service disruption"...currently in effect between Fort Worth and St.
    Louis, and that includes Little Rock. The reason is for all the diverted freight traffic, due to other rail lines being flooded out.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Sat Jun 8 20:27:06 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 05-Jun-2019 09:23 <=-

    I take it that the northeast corridor doesn't come as far west as
    western NYS....?

    Correct. It mainly is with Boston, New York City, Washington, DC,
    and Philadelphia. They advertise it as "high speed", but with station stops, etc. the average speed is only around 60 mph.

    OK... Not having taken the train, hadn't really read up on the
    details... ;)

    But, when I take the train, I can relax in the fact that "someone else
    is doing the driving", and that "I'm on Terra Firma" if something
    happens, and not "falling out of the sky".

    I've never been on a plane that had troubles... ;) Generally, though, I
    tend to drive myself by car.... I don't mind driving... actually enjoy
    being out on the open road... :)

    Indeed.... and not just for the sake of your trip...

    The Arkansas River is to crest later today at Little Rock at nearly
    7 feet above flood stage. The Flood Warning shows it NOT going back
    below flood stage until June 15...10 days from now...and that forecast could change with forecast rain upstream in Kansas and Oklahoma...along with rain and thunderstorms here later today into Sunday. When it
    finally starts to dry out around here, I doubt many folks will complain...until they get high fire danger and burn bans. :P But, we
    won't have to worry about water rationing for a good while!!

    It would be nice if, after the flooding recedes and things dry out some,
    there would be a nice mixture of dry and wet weather... enough to keep
    things from drought and burn bans, but not so much as to be flooding....

    Amtrak does NOT recommend connections less than 90 minutes,
    especially at hubs, and outside the Northeast Corridor. Connections
    less than 30 minutes are NOT ticketed, EXCEPT with the passengers
    written consent, and with the condition that Amtrak is NOT liable in
    the event of a missed connection. Now, if a guaranteed connection (at least 2 hours) is missed, Amtrak will either provide alternate transportation on Amtrak, another carrier (bus or plane), or overnight hotel accommodations, at Amtrak's discretion.

    Sounds like Amtrak has a good handle on keeping things from getting out
    of hand with connections.... :)

    That happened in me in June, 2001. My plan was to take the Texas
    Eagle from Little Rock to Chicago...then connect to The Empire Bulder
    at Chicago to go to Spokane, where the train split into a section for Seattle, and one for Portland...then connect to The Coast Starlight at Portland to go to Los Angeles...then connect to The Pacific Surfliner (formerly the San Diegans) to go to Anaheim, California (my
    destination for the National Square Dance Convention that year). Except for the Pacific Surfliner, everything was via Sleeping Car
    Roomette...for my privacy, and for my meals on board.
    But, this day, the Texas Eagle was more than 2 hours late, so I
    missed the connection at Chicago. So, Amtrak put me up for the night at the Radisson in Chicago, and got me out the next day on The Southwest Chief. I got to Los Angeles, and eventually Anaheim 12 hours earlier
    than I would have otherwise.

    That worked out very well for you, then.... :)

    On the return trip, going down to Dallas means I don't have to get
    up at 2:30am to worry about getting off in Little Rock. I'll have a 3
    1/2 hour layover in Dallas (if the train is on time) to meet some
    fellow ham radio operators, before catching the northbound train back home...ending my out of state travel.

    That sounds like very good planning.... and a nice ending to your last
    trip.... :)

    Total rail fare (including Sleeping Car and the Rail Runner) was $1480...more than 3 times LESS than the cost of the Generac Generator.
    I may get that eventually...but wanted this trip more...and I don't
    lose power that often.

    And the trip is something that you'll have lots of good memories of...
    the generator might be a useful thing when/if you lose power, but as you
    say, that doesn't happen often... and you can probably save up for that,
    to have when you are less able to deal with power outages...

    Now, if flooding still exists, and the routes are cancelled, it's a
    "force majeure" event...in which case, I'd be entitled to reschedule a trip, get an eVoucher for a future trip, or get a full refund.
    Normally, there's a penalty for a refund, but no such penalty exists because of "a service disruption"...currently in effect between Fort
    Worth and St. Louis, and that includes Little Rock. The reason is for
    all the diverted freight traffic, due to other rail lines being flooded out.

    Hopefully everything will be back to normal before your planned trip...
    Good that you wouldn't be out the money, but you'd miss your convention,
    and that wouldn't be so nice...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sun Jun 9 18:42:00 2019
    Nancy,

    OK... Not having taken the train, hadn't really read up on the NB>details... ;)

    I prefer the train to flying. I'm more likely to get groped at the
    airport than at the train station.

    I've never been on a plane that had troubles... ;) Generally, though, I NB>tend to drive myself by car.... I don't mind driving... actually enjoy NB>being out on the open road... :)

    It's hard for me to drive or ride for long distances. I signed up for
    the Arkansas State Square Dance Federation Fall Festival in Clinton,
    Arkansas in October. It's Interstate from Little Rock to Conway, then US Highway 65 from Conway to Clinton. I may have to stop in Conway to
    stretch my legs. If I were to continue up the route, I'd go through
    Harrison, into Branson, Missouri.

    It would be nice if, after the flooding recedes and things dry out some, NB>there would be a nice mixture of dry and wet weather... enough to keep NB>things from drought and burn bans, but not so much as to be flooding....

    Another chance of thunderstorms arrives next weekend...too early to
    know the details on it.

    Sounds like Amtrak has a good handle on keeping things from getting out NB>of hand with connections.... :)

    And, things happen with traveling.

    That worked out very well for you, then.... :)

    Very much so.

    That sounds like very good planning.... and a nice ending to your last NB>trip.... :)

    Well, I'll be driving to and from Clinton, Arkansas in October for the
    state square dance festival. That'll be my last long trip outside of the
    Little Rock area.

    And the trip is something that you'll have lots of good memories of... NB>the generator might be a useful thing when/if you lose power, but as you NB>say, that doesn't happen often... and you can probably save up for that, NB>to have when you are less able to deal with power outages...

    It's rare I lose power here, and for that long. I think my place is on
    a different circuit.

    Hopefully everything will be back to normal before your planned trip... NB>Good that you wouldn't be out the money, but you'd miss your convention, NB>and that wouldn't be so nice...

    That's true...but that's the way it goes sometimes.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Thu Jun 13 14:57:48 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 09-Jun-2019 18:42 <=-

    OK... Not having taken the train, hadn't really read up on the
    details... ;)

    I prefer the train to flying. I'm more likely to get groped at the
    airport than at the train station.

    That may be... :)

    I've never been on a plane that had troubles... ;) Generally,
    though, I tend to drive myself by car.... I don't mind driving...
    actually enjoy being out on the open road... :)

    It's hard for me to drive or ride for long distances. I signed up
    for the Arkansas State Square Dance Federation Fall Festival in
    Clinton, Arkansas in October. It's Interstate from Little Rock to
    Conway, then US Highway 65 from Conway to Clinton. I may have to stop
    in Conway to stretch my legs. If I were to continue up the route, I'd
    go through Harrison, into Branson, Missouri.

    How far is it to Clinton....? Is Conway about halfway...?

    It would be nice if, after the flooding recedes and things dry out
    some, there would be a nice mixture of dry and wet weather... enough
    to keep things from drought and burn bans, but not so much as to be
    flooding....

    Another chance of thunderstorms arrives next weekend...too early to
    know the details on it.

    Looks like we'll be getting showers over the weekend... :)

    That sounds like very good planning.... and a nice ending to your last
    trip.... :)

    Well, I'll be driving to and from Clinton, Arkansas in October for
    the state square dance festival. That'll be my last long trip outside
    of the Little Rock area.

    One last fling... :)

    And the trip is something that you'll have lots of good memories of...
    the generator might be a useful thing when/if you lose power, but as
    you say, that doesn't happen often... and you can probably save up for
    that, to have when you are less able to deal with power outages...

    It's rare I lose power here, and for that long. I think my place is
    on a different circuit.

    Better at your mom's house than it was at your apartment, eh...?

    Hopefully everything will be back to normal before your planned
    trip... Good that you wouldn't be out the money, but you'd miss your
    convention, and that wouldn't be so nice...

    That's true...but that's the way it goes sometimes.

    True... but one can certainly hope for the best.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Mon Jun 17 19:53:00 2019
    Nancy,

    I prefer the train to flying. I'm more likely to get groped at the airport than at the train station.

    That may be... :)

    From what I understand, it is. I got a special deal from the TSA to
    get me through the checkpoint quicker...and just updated the drivers
    license where I can "fly" and get into the Federal Building (it's the
    enhanced identification now). I had to order a birth certificate online,
    and the original hospital and city where I was born are no longer in
    existence.

    How far is it to Clinton....? Is Conway about halfway...?

    According to MapQuest, it's about an hour north-northwest of
    Conway...which is about a half hour northwest of Little Rock...90
    minutes in all. Basically, Interstate from Little Rock to Conway, and US
    65 from Conway to Clinton. There are only 2 motels for the convention,
    as the town isn't that big. The one I chose was up a bit of a hill, but
    at the base is a Baskin Robbins Ice Cream shop <drool!>.

    Looks like we'll be getting showers over the weekend... :)

    Storms have been scattered around, and with how quick they can
    develop...if I have to be out on errands, or when I'm sleeping, I shut
    down the computers and unplug, to avoid getting zapped by a rogue
    lightning strike.

    One last fling... :)

    I probably won't be doing much dancing. I did get a good deal on 6 XLT
    (3 extra large, big and tall) square dance shirts from Shepler's for $20
    each (on sale)). Since I'll only dance 2 to 3 times a month, that'll
    last me a bit between laundry. Besides, one can always get dancers...one
    can't always get workers.

    Better at your mom's house than it was at your apartment, eh...?

    It seems to be. Now, that apartment was first in line to get power
    back behind the hospitals, since everyone there was disabled or elderly,
    and many had medical equipment that wouldn't run if the power went out.
    Yet, with all the trees and metal street light poles out there, it was
    like a lightning rod forest.

    True... but one can certainly hope for the best.... :)

    I need that...and to get away from things for a few days.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Sun Jun 30 01:29:52 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 17-Jun-2019 19:53 <=-

    I got a special deal from the TSA to get me through the checkpoint quicker...and just updated the drivers license where I can "fly" and
    get into the Federal Building (it's the enhanced identification now).
    I had to order a birth certificate online, and the original hospital
    and city where I was born are no longer in existence.

    Sounds like it was a bit of a hassle to get... but it's worthwhile to
    have... I've got the enhanced license, and it was no hassle at all to
    cross the Canadian/US border earlier this month when I picked up my son
    at the Montreal Airport.... :)

    How far is it to Clinton....? Is Conway about halfway...?

    According to MapQuest, it's about an hour north-northwest of Conway...which is about a half hour northwest of Little Rock...90
    minutes in all. Basically, Interstate from Little Rock to Conway, and
    US 65 from Conway to Clinton. There are only 2 motels for the
    convention, as the town isn't that big. The one I chose was up a bit of
    a hill, but at the base is a Baskin Robbins Ice Cream shop <drool!>.

    That sounds like a good reason to choose that one... :)

    I probably won't be doing much dancing. I did get a good deal on 6
    XLT (3 extra large, big and tall) square dance shirts from Shepler's
    for $20 each (on sale)). Since I'll only dance 2 to 3 times a month, that'll last me a bit between laundry. Besides, one can always get dancers...one can't always get workers.

    So you tend to be one of the workers...? They wear the shirts, too...?

    True... but one can certainly hope for the best.... :)

    I need that...and to get away from things for a few days.

    I saw from the repostings of your messages that you are having to use
    that money for hotels and such.... wouldn't you be able to get some help
    from the insurance companies to cover that expense since it's directly
    related to the storm damage....?

    Hopefully you'll still be able to take your trip....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sat Jul 6 10:08:00 2019
    Nancy,

    Sounds like it was a bit of a hassle to get... but it's worthwhile to NB>have... I've got the enhanced license, and it was no hassle at all to NB>cross the Canadian/US border earlier this month when I picked up my son NB>at the Montreal Airport.... :)

    I have no plans to travel outside the U.S. -- and may not travel
    outside of central Arkansas anymore.

    a hill, but at the base is a Baskin Robbins Ice Cream shop <drool!>.

    That sounds like a good reason to choose that one... :)

    I could go for a nice banana split about now. However, I was told by a retired nurse that ice cream, iced tea, and related products, cause
    kidney stones. So, I may have to find something else to satisfy the
    sweet tooth (Lemon Oreo Cookies are not what I had in mind). As for a
    beverage, I drink flavored water.

    So you tend to be one of the workers...? They wear the shirts, too...?

    Yep...and I prefer to work behind the scenes. Everyone wants the
    glory, but no one wants the work. Or, 1% of the people do 99% of the
    work.

    I saw from the repostings of your messages that you are having to use NB>that money for hotels and such.... wouldn't you be able to get some help NB>from the insurance companies to cover that expense since it's directly NB>related to the storm damage....?

    They paid for the replacement of the electric meter and the indoor
    panel ($2500 each plus labor). I will be reimbursed for the permits
    ($250), but had to pay for the surge protection ($465). They won't pay
    the hotel bill ($950) as "the structure was still livable, as it had
    running water and no other damage". I want to know how they consider
    being inside a steam bath sauna of dangerous apparent temperatures over
    100 degrees as livable. To them, it's a catastrophe if they have to pay
    the claim.

    Hopefully you'll still be able to take your trip....

    Unfortunately, the money I was planning for the train trip was eaten
    up by 2 things...paying my Mom's $1900 income tax bill, and a $950 hotel
    bill. I am debating on cancelling the trip to Clinton, Arkansas in
    October, and just quit traveling outside of central Arkansas.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Sat Jul 13 01:30:00 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 06-Jul-2019 10:08 <=-

    Sounds like it was a bit of a hassle to get... but it's worthwhile to
    have... I've got the enhanced license, and it was no hassle at all to
    cross the Canadian/US border earlier this month when I picked up my
    son at the Montreal Airport.... :)

    I have no plans to travel outside the U.S. -- and may not travel
    outside of central Arkansas anymore.

    So all you'd need would be the federal ID sort of license....

    a hill, but at the base is a Baskin Robbins Ice Cream shop <drool!>.
    That sounds like a good reason to choose that one... :)

    I could go for a nice banana split about now. However, I was told by
    a retired nurse that ice cream, iced tea, and related products, cause kidney stones. So, I may have to find something else to satisfy the
    sweet tooth (Lemon Oreo Cookies are not what I had in mind). As for a beverage, I drink flavored water.

    I suspect that, as with things like gallstones and reflux and IBS, there's
    a long list of potentially suspect things that may or not actually apply
    in your case.... I know well that that is the way it's worked for me as
    far as the first two of those.... :) A lot of potentially problematic
    foods are perfectly fine for me, as it turned out.... :)

    So you tend to be one of the workers...? They wear the shirts, too...?

    Yep...and I prefer to work behind the scenes. Everyone wants the
    glory, but no one wants the work. Or, 1% of the people do 99% of the
    work.

    True.... :)

    I saw from the repostings of your messages that you are having to
    use that money for hotels and such.... wouldn't you be able to get
    some help from the insurance companies to cover that expense since
    it's directly related to the storm damage....?

    They paid for the replacement of the electric meter and the indoor
    panel ($2500 each plus labor). I will be reimbursed for the permits ($250), but had to pay for the surge protection ($465). They won't pay
    the hotel bill ($950) as "the structure was still livable, as it had running water and no other damage". I want to know how they consider
    being inside a steam bath sauna of dangerous apparent temperatures
    over 100 degrees as livable. To them, it's a catastrophe if they have
    to pay the claim.

    One could probably argue that with higher up.... but probably not really
    worth the hassle, I suppose....

    Hopefully you'll still be able to take your trip....

    Unfortunately, the money I was planning for the train trip was eaten
    up by 2 things...paying my Mom's $1900 income tax bill, and a $950
    hotel bill.

    Oh.... that's a shame... I know how much you were looking forward to
    that....

    I am debating on cancelling the trip to Clinton, Arkansas
    in October, and just quit traveling outside of central Arkansas.

    One last fling....? Maybe by then the financial situation won't be
    quite so dire...?

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sat Jul 13 10:56:00 2019
    Nancy,

    So all you'd need would be the federal ID sort of license....

    I think so...it'd get me into the Federal Building in Little Rock, and
    if I had to fly. Unless something changes, my travel days outside of
    central Arkansas are over.

    I suspect that, as with things like gallstones and reflux and IBS, there's NB>a long list of potentially suspect things that may or not actually apply NB>in your case.... I know well that that is the way it's worked for me as NB>far as the first two of those.... :) A lot of potentially problematic NB>foods are perfectly fine for me, as it turned out.... :)

    Sort of like the deal where my doctor told me not to eat anything
    fatty. I asked "You mean like bacon and cheeseburgers??", and he said
    "No!! Don't eat anything, fatty!!" <G>

    One could probably argue that with higher up.... but probably not really NB>worth the hassle, I suppose....

    I only got $67 for the permits, and after all the aggravation, I
    decided it was best to take the money and run. That'll pay my water and
    trash bill for the month.

    Oh.... that's a shame... I know how much you were looking forward to NB>that....

    It just wasn't meant to be.

    One last fling....? Maybe by then the financial situation won't be
    quite so dire...?

    I'm not optimistic...and haven't been for many years. Depression is
    becoming more and more of an issue for me...especially when I don't have
    my hobbies of the BBS, ham radio, and square dancing, to provide some distraction...but, even they aren't good distractors, anymore.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Sat Jul 27 18:13:30 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 13-Jul-2019 10:56 <=-

    So all you'd need would be the federal ID sort of license....

    I think so...it'd get me into the Federal Building in Little Rock,
    and if I had to fly. Unless something changes, my travel days outside
    of central Arkansas are over.

    Things might change.... :)

    One could probably argue that with higher up.... but probably not
    really worth the hassle, I suppose....

    I only got $67 for the permits, and after all the aggravation, I
    decided it was best to take the money and run. That'll pay my water
    and trash bill for the month.

    Better than nothing... And sometimes the aggravation isn't worth continuing....

    One last fling....? Maybe by then the financial situation won't be
    quite so dire...?

    I'm not optimistic...and haven't been for many years. Depression is becoming more and more of an issue for me...especially when I don't
    have my hobbies of the BBS, ham radio, and square dancing, to provide
    some distraction...but, even they aren't good distractors, anymore.

    At the moment you have a lot on your plate, and being in pain takes a
    lot out of one... been there, know it quite well... Try to keep up with
    the messages, at least you have a support system here in the echoes.. ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sun Jul 28 19:51:00 2019
    Nancy,

    I think so...it'd get me into the Federal Building in Little Rock,
    and if I had to fly. Unless something changes, my travel days outside of central Arkansas are over.

    Things might change.... :)

    I'm not optimistic. While I'll get some money after my Mom is gone,
    I'm better served saving it to pay upcoming bills. It's too much of a
    hassle to go away from home anymore (security issues while you're away,
    bedbugs at the hotels, etc.).

    Better than nothing... And sometimes the aggravation isn't worth NB>continuing....

    That's why I decided to "get out of Dodge".

    At the moment you have a lot on your plate, and being in pain takes a
    lot out of one... been there, know it quite well... Try to keep up with NB>the messages, at least you have a support system here in the echoes.. ;)

    Plus, my hobbies of ham radio and square dancing are helping. Yet,
    when there are thunderstorms, any computer or ham radio work goes by the boards..and then, I just catch up on sleep.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Fri Aug 2 18:57:22 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 28-Jul-2019 19:51 <=-

    I think so...it'd get me into the Federal Building in Little Rock,
    and if I had to fly. Unless something changes, my travel days outside
    of central Arkansas are over.
    Things might change.... :)

    I'm not optimistic. While I'll get some money after my Mom is gone,
    I'm better served saving it to pay upcoming bills. It's too much of a hassle to go away from home anymore (security issues while you're
    away, bedbugs at the hotels, etc.).

    I suppose one can find plenty of reasons to avoid travel... depends on
    how much one wants to (or doesn't want to) travel... ;)

    At the moment you have a lot on your plate, and being in pain takes
    a lot out of one... been there, know it quite well... Try to keep
    up with the messages, at least you have a support system here in
    the echoes.. ;)

    Plus, my hobbies of ham radio and square dancing are helping. Yet,
    when there are thunderstorms, any computer or ham radio work goes by
    the boards..and then, I just catch up on sleep.

    Sleep's a good thing too... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sat Aug 3 15:27:00 2019
    Nancy,

    I suppose one can find plenty of reasons to avoid travel... depends on NB>how much one wants to (or doesn't want to) travel... ;)

    I really would LOVE to travel...but right now, I have so much on my
    plate (more than on Thanksgiving Day), that I can't. I nearly screwed up
    big time at a ham radio license exam session this morning...putting a
    wrong number on the answer sheet. I hadn't done an exam since June, so I
    had gotten "rusty". Thankfully, a fellow VE pointed it out to me. Two of
    the female VE's will take me to and from the hospital for the
    surgery...and I'll stay overnight.

    Sleep's a good thing too... <G>

    I like inspecting the inside of my eyelids. <G> I don't rest well at night...but drinking all I do (and the coolness at night) shrinks the
    urinary bladder, and you know what that means. :P I've gotten so that if
    I get up early (I'm rarely up before 9am) that I must have a nap in the afternoon...and when I'm sedated for surgery, that's the ONLY time I get
    good sleep.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Thu Aug 8 01:07:14 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 03-Aug-2019 15:27 <=-

    I suppose one can find plenty of reasons to avoid travel... depends
    on how much one wants to (or doesn't want to) travel... ;)

    I really would LOVE to travel...but right now, I have so much on my
    plate (more than on Thanksgiving Day), that I can't. I nearly screwed
    up big time at a ham radio license exam session this morning...putting
    a wrong number on the answer sheet. I hadn't done an exam since June,
    so I had gotten "rusty". Thankfully, a fellow VE pointed it out to me.
    Two of the female VE's will take me to and from the hospital for the surgery...and I'll stay overnight.

    It's good to have friends... :)

    Sleep's a good thing too... <G>

    I like inspecting the inside of my eyelids. <G> I don't rest well at night...but drinking all I do (and the coolness at night) shrinks the urinary bladder, and you know what that means. :P

    My body just seems to produce more urine at night.... at least I can
    generally get up, take care of it, and go back to sleep... ;)

    I've gotten so that if I get up early (I'm rarely up before 9am)
    that I must have a nap in the afternoon...

    I'm often running about in the afternoon... no chance for a nap then...

    and when I'm sedated for surgery, that's the ONLY time
    I get good sleep.

    At least you get to sleep then... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Thu Aug 8 13:12:00 2019
    Nancy,

    It's good to have friends... :)

    These two ladies, who live together (they're not lesbians), are a
    couple of "cards". They found this "critter" that we've dubbed the
    mascot for our ham radio license exam team (they work with me on it),
    and we've named him Zeigfried. He's holding a sign that notes "I am
    already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth"...reminding us as
    examiners to BE QUIET while the examinees are taking their tests.

    My body just seems to produce more urine at night.... at least I can NB>generally get up, take care of it, and go back to sleep... ;)

    Folger's got it wrong. The best part of waking up, is being able to go
    back to sleep, after you get up to pee. <G> Or, it's like the picture of
    the cat, who notes "Finally in bed!!"...and the next picture, he's
    lamenting "I have to pee". <G>

    I'm often running about in the afternoon... no chance for a nap then...

    I've found if I don't get a nap, I get ornery...but some will say I'm
    that way with a nap. <G> Yet, I've learned if I try to work with the
    computer while I'm tired (let alone trying to drive), that's dangerous.
    This darn migraine sinus headache I've had since Sunday has been
    murder...it's nearly impossible to hold my eyes open.

    At least you get to sleep then... <G>

    Now, if I can just wake up afterwards without the catheter, and can
    pee, I'll be happy. I think I've been passing small stone fragments for
    a "split stream" at times...but, I'm hoping I can get the surgery done
    on Monday. I'm drinking 2 liters of flavored water a day, and it's like
    I'm on Lasix.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Sun Aug 11 00:08:40 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 08-Aug-2019 13:12 <=-

    It's good to have friends... :)

    These two ladies, who live together (they're not lesbians), are a
    couple of "cards". They found this "critter" that we've dubbed the
    mascot for our ham radio license exam team (they work with me on it),
    and we've named him Zeigfried. He's holding a sign that notes "I am already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth"...reminding us as examiners to BE QUIET while the examinees are taking their tests.

    Cute... :)

    My body just seems to produce more urine at night.... at least I can
    generally get up, take care of it, and go back to sleep... ;)

    Folger's got it wrong. The best part of waking up, is being able to
    go back to sleep, after you get up to pee. <G>

    Agreed. :)

    Or, it's like the picture of the cat, who notes "Finally in bed!!"...
    and the next picture, he's lamenting "I have to pee". <G>

    There are some nights that is a familiar scene...

    I'm often running about in the afternoon... no chance for a nap then...

    I've found if I don't get a nap, I get ornery...but some will say
    I'm that way with a nap. <G> Yet, I've learned if I try to work with
    the computer while I'm tired (let alone trying to drive), that's dangerous. This darn migraine sinus headache I've had since Sunday has been murder...it's nearly impossible to hold my eyes open.

    Headaches certainly don't help at all.....

    At least you get to sleep then... <G>

    Now, if I can just wake up afterwards without the catheter, and can
    pee, I'll be happy. I think I've been passing small stone fragments
    for a "split stream" at times...but, I'm hoping I can get the surgery
    done on Monday. I'm drinking 2 liters of flavored water a day, and it's like I'm on Lasix.

    So your friends are able to get you to the hospital for the earlier
    date, then...? That's good.... :) Living with stones (kidney or
    gallbladder) isn't fun....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sun Aug 11 11:32:00 2019
    Nancy,

    mascot for our ham radio license exam team (they work with me on it), and we've named him Zeigfried. He's holding a sign that notes "I am already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth"...reminding us as examiners to BE QUIET while the examinees are taking their tests.

    Cute... :)

    They said when they saw it, they felt "we just had to have it". <G>

    Folger's got it wrong. The best part of waking up, is being able to
    go back to sleep, after you get up to pee. <G>

    Agreed. :)

    If you have a UTI, and/or on Lasix, that makes it worse. :P

    Or, it's like the picture of the cat, who notes "Finally in bed!!"... and the next picture, he's lamenting "I have to pee". <G>

    There are some nights that is a familiar scene...

    That may be one reason I never get a solid sleep anymore...except
    during sedation for a medical procedure, which I'll undergo in the
    morning.

    Headaches certainly don't help at all.....

    Being the victim of 2 indirect lightning strikes and a severe
    concussion over the years doesn't help matters, either.

    I think they're also hereditary...my late father had them, especially
    related to tension, but I think they're also prevalent if your blood
    pressure is elevated. I'm on medication, and it tends to keep it under
    control. It was 124 over 79 when I went to the cardiologist for an EKG,
    and pre-surgery clearance. I discovered he had signed the form, but
    forgot to check "CLEARED". Then, it turned out they never sent it, but I
    had a copy of it, and took it to Arkansas Urology instead.

    So your friends are able to get you to the hospital for the earlier
    date, then...? That's good.... :) Living with stones (kidney or NB>gallbladder) isn't fun....

    Well, the original date they wanted to do the surgery was back on July
    22, but I had to be there at 5am...way before sunrise. I felt that was
    unfair to my friends, so I declined that date. The date is in the
    morning, August 12 (I'm typing this on August 11), and I have to be
    there at 8am. Since the time is in the middle of morning rush hour,
    there's an alternate route we can take to avoid the majority of the
    traffic on one of the main roads in southwest Little Rock.

    Besides nothing to eat or drink for me after 12 midnight tonight, I
    have to be there 2 hours before the procedure to:

    1) Fill out the paperwork (naturally), and make any insurance co-pays.
    Thank goodness for financial assistance!!

    2) Get totally disrobed (naked), and put on that poor excuse for a
    hospital gown (apparently, it's a tongue in cheek graduation gown for
    med school students -- and why it's called ICU (I See You -- meaning
    your butt crack and cheeks in all their glory). :P

    It doesn't bother me a bit for the medical folks, especially the
    females, to see me naked. It's just another day at work for them, as
    they've seen it all before. When it comes to certain procedures, you
    have to leave all modesty at the door. At childbirth, the girl isn't
    coming out in a white satin dress, and the boy isn't coming out in a
    nice tuxedo!!

    Yet, as I've noted before, some folks will NOT go to the doctor, as
    they don't want to be seen naked. To them, when you've seen one set of
    breasts, genitalia, and buttocks, you've seen them all...it's like it's
    not even there.

    3) Get an IV started, and your vital signs checked.

    4) Possibly get blood pressure medicine with a SMALL sip of water.

    5) Consult with the surgeon and the anesthetist beforehand.

    6) Get anti-nausea medicine with the IV beforehand (I've never done well
    with anesthesia, and my blood pressure plunges under sedation).

    Those gurneys and exam tables are so darn hard...that with not much insulation in the backside (never mind tiny hiney <G>), it gets very uncomfortable after only a few minutes. Not to mention it's so cold, you
    start looking for the meat hanging on the hooks...or wonder if it's
    going to start snowing!! <G>

    I've got to update, and print up my 12 page med list today. It lists
    all my doctors, surgeries, contact information, medications, etc. It
    basically is "everything you wanted to know about me medically, but were
    afraid to ask". The only things it doesn't have are full frontal and
    full rear nude photos of my body. :P That makes the tagline below,
    appropriate. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Fri Aug 16 03:14:44 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 11-Aug-2019 11:32 <=-

    Replying 15 Aug 2019 23:14 from the Pond....

    mascot for our ham radio license exam team (they work with me on it),
    and we've named him Zeigfried. He's holding a sign that notes "I am
    already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth"...reminding us as
    examiners to BE QUIET while the examinees are taking their tests.
    Cute... :)

    They said when they saw it, they felt "we just had to have it". <G>

    And obviously it has brought some nice humor into the situation... ;)

    Folger's got it wrong. The best part of waking up, is being able to
    go back to sleep, after you get up to pee. <G>
    Agreed. :)

    If you have a UTI, and/or on Lasix, that makes it worse. :P

    Certainly might... And hopefully it isn't too far a "run" for the
    facility... ;)

    Headaches certainly don't help at all.....

    Being the victim of 2 indirect lightning strikes and a severe
    concussion over the years doesn't help matters, either.
    I think they're also hereditary...my late father had them,
    especially related to tension, but I think they're also prevalent if
    your blood pressure is elevated. I'm on medication, and it tends to
    keep it under control. It was 124 over 79 when I went to the
    cardiologist for an EKG, and pre-surgery clearance. I discovered he had signed the form, but forgot to check "CLEARED". Then, it turned out
    they never sent it, but I had a copy of it, and took it to Arkansas Urology instead.

    At least it finally went through....

    So your friends are able to get you to the hospital for the earlier
    date, then...? That's good.... :) Living with stones (kidney or
    gallbladder) isn't fun....

    Well, the original date they wanted to do the surgery was back on
    July 22, but I had to be there at 5am...way before sunrise. I felt that was unfair to my friends, so I declined that date. The date is in the morning, August 12 (I'm typing this on August 11), and I have to be
    there at 8am. Since the time is in the middle of morning rush hour, there's an alternate route we can take to avoid the majority of the traffic on one of the main roads in southwest Little Rock.

    Somehow I lost track of time (fancy that)... and thought that it had
    been postponed to September... I almost remember now your telling us
    those dates now.... ;)

    Besides nothing to eat or drink for me after 12 midnight tonight, I
    have to be there 2 hours before the procedure to:
    1) Fill out the paperwork (naturally), and make any insurance co-pays. Thank goodness for financial assistance!!
    2) Get totally disrobed (naked), and put on that poor excuse for a hospital gown (apparently, it's a tongue in cheek graduation gown for
    med school students -- and why it's called ICU (I See You -- meaning
    your butt crack and cheeks in all their glory). :P
    3) Get an IV started, and your vital signs checked.
    4) Possibly get blood pressure medicine with a SMALL sip of water.
    5) Consult with the surgeon and the anesthetist beforehand.
    6) Get anti-nausea medicine with the IV beforehand (I've never done
    well with anesthesia, and my blood pressure plunges under sedation).

    All standard procedure... been there, done that... :)

    I've got to update, and print up my 12 page med list today. It lists
    all my doctors, surgeries, contact information, medications, etc. It basically is "everything you wanted to know about me medically, but
    were afraid to ask".

    That's a useful thing to have drawn up.... and I know that the staff
    appreciate the effort... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sat Aug 17 10:32:00 2019
    Nancy,

    They said when they saw it, they felt "we just had to have it". <G>

    And obviously it has brought some nice humor into the situation... ;)

    I printed out a picture of the critter, and display it at the session
    to the examiners to remind us to "keep it down to a low roar".

    If you have a UTI, and/or on Lasix, that makes it worse. :P

    Certainly might... And hopefully it isn't too far a "run" for the NB>facility... ;)

    I finally got tired walking back and forth from the bed to the toilet
    every 5 minutes...I decided to use the urinal bottle. After calling the
    nurses every hour, they brought extra urinal bottles. :P

    At least it finally went through....

    You have to follow up on things to make sure they get to where they
    need to be. Of course, you know the "meaning" of ASSUME. <G>

    Somehow I lost track of time (fancy that)... and thought that it had
    been postponed to September... I almost remember now your telling us NB>those dates now.... ;)

    At least it's behind me now. With only one way out of the bladder, I
    didn't want it to be where I couldn't urinate...because that would mean
    a 911 call for an ambulance to the ER.

    All standard procedure... been there, done that... :)

    We could recite it our sleep.

    That's a useful thing to have drawn up.... and I know that the staff NB>appreciate the effort... :)

    One time, I thought the nurse would kiss me!! :) She said "this makes
    it so much easier on us"!!

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Fri Aug 23 01:24:34 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 17-Aug-2019 10:32 <=-

    They said when they saw it, they felt "we just had to have it". <G>
    And obviously it has brought some nice humor into the situation... ;)

    I printed out a picture of the critter, and display it at the
    session to the examiners to remind us to "keep it down to a low roar".

    Nice... :)

    If you have a UTI, and/or on Lasix, that makes it worse. :P
    Certainly might... And hopefully it isn't too far a "run" for the
    facility... ;)

    I finally got tired walking back and forth from the bed to the
    toilet every 5 minutes...I decided to use the urinal bottle. After
    calling the nurses every hour, they brought extra urinal bottles. :P

    Smart ladies... :) I'm a little surprised that they didn't just keep
    you on a catheter for the first night or so, knowing that all that fluid
    was going to be moving through... or did you simply decline that...

    Somehow I lost track of time (fancy that)... and thought that it had
    been postponed to September... I almost remember now your telling us
    those dates now.... ;)

    At least it's behind me now. With only one way out of the bladder, I didn't want it to be where I couldn't urinate...because that would
    mean a 911 call for an ambulance to the ER.

    Indeed... Good thing it's taken care of now... :)

    That's a useful thing to have drawn up.... and I know that the staff
    appreciate the effort... :)

    One time, I thought the nurse would kiss me!! :) She said "this
    makes it so much easier on us"!!

    And indeed it does... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Tue Dec 24 03:13:00 2019
    Nancy,

    ... Only listen to fortune cookie; disregard all other media.

    So, if you get one that says "You will soon feel the effects of
    salmonella", you better call 911?? :P

    Daryl


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Wed Jan 1 00:07:50 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 24-Dec-2019 03:13 <=-

    ... Only listen to fortune cookie; disregard all other media.

    So, if you get one that says "You will soon feel the effects of salmonella", you better call 911?? :P

    Never got that one.... I frequent higher class Chinese restaurants, I
    guess... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Wed Jan 1 00:45:00 2020
    Nancy,

    ... Only listen to fortune cookie; disregard all other media.

    So, if you get one that says "You will soon feel the effects of salmonella", you better call 911?? :P

    Never got that one.... I frequent higher class Chinese restaurants, I NB>guess... <G>

    Good thing. I have gotten sick after some meals, but thankfully,
    that's rare.

    Daryl


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Mon Jan 6 21:41:46 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 01-Jan-2020 00:45 <=-

    ... Only listen to fortune cookie; disregard all other media.
    So, if you get one that says "You will soon feel the effects of
    salmonella", you better call 911?? :P
    Never got that one.... I frequent higher class Chinese restaurants,
    I guess... <G>

    Good thing. I have gotten sick after some meals, but thankfully,
    that's rare.

    We've got a nice assortment of really good inexpensive restaurants
    around here that we go to... not likely to get sick from their food....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Tue Jan 7 00:40:00 2020
    Nancy,

    We've got a nice assortment of really good inexpensive restaurants
    around here that we go to... not likely to get sick from their food....

    If there's a map to the nearby Emergency Room on the back of the menu,
    I might want to ask to be excused. :P

    Daryl


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Mon Jan 13 02:59:06 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 07-Jan-2020 00:40 <=-

    We've got a nice assortment of really good inexpensive restaurants
    around here that we go to... not likely to get sick from their food....

    If there's a map to the nearby Emergency Room on the back of the
    menu, I might want to ask to be excused. :P

    Thankfully I've never actually seen that show up, at least anywhere that
    we tend to eat.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Mon Jan 13 02:12:00 2020
    Nancy,

    ... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.

    That explains a lot. <g,d,r>

    Daryl


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Tue Jan 21 02:58:06 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 13-Jan-2020 02:12 <=-

    ... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.

    That explains a lot. <g,d,r>

    Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it survived
    to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if my computer
    would let me) make most of those strange characters... :) But it is
    cute... <G>

    * OLX 1.53 * Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

    One doesn't want the cats to get too lazy... ;) If they want mouse
    flavor, they have to catch the mouse... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Tue Jan 21 01:13:00 2020
    Nancy,

    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 13-Jan-2020 02:12 <=-

    ... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.

    That explains a lot. <g,d,r>

    Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it survived NB>to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if my computer NB>would let me) make most of those strange characters... :) But it is NB>cute... <G>

    Well, I have the program set to do regular ASCII style taglines, as in
    some echoes, and with some QWK readers, the high ASCII characters tend
    to crash things.

    * OLX 1.53 * Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

    One doesn't want the cats to get too lazy... ;) If they want mouse NB>flavor, they have to catch the mouse... ;)

    The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

    Daryl


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Tue Jan 21 08:55:00 2020


    NANCY BACKUS wrote to DARYL STOUT <=-

    ... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.
    That explains a lot. <g,d,r>
    Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
    survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
    my computer would let me) make most of those strange
    characters... :) But it is cute... <G>

    Clue: High or extended ASCII characters.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Wed Jan 29 00:34:46 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 21-Jan-2020 01:13 <=-

    ... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.
    That explains a lot. <g,d,r>
    Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
    survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if my
    computer would let me) make most of those strange characters... :)
    But it is cute... <G>

    Well, I have the program set to do regular ASCII style taglines, as
    in some echoes, and with some QWK readers, the high ASCII characters
    tend to crash things.

    Possibly less survive now to be bothered by it...

    * OLX 1.53 * Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?
    One doesn't want the cats to get too lazy... ;) If they want mouse
    flavor, they have to catch the mouse... ;)

    The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

    That, too... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Jan 29 03:12:54 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 21-Jan-2020 08:55 <=-
    NANCY BACKUS wrote to DARYL STOUT <=-

    ... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.
    That explains a lot. <g,d,r>
    Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
    survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
    my computer would let me) make most of those strange
    characters... :) But it is cute... <G>

    Clue: High or extended ASCII characters.

    Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the issue...
    Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Wed Jan 29 08:56:00 2020
    Nancy,

    Well, I have the program set to do regular ASCII style taglines, as
    in some echoes, and with some QWK readers, the high ASCII characters tend to crash things.

    Possibly less survive now to be bothered by it...

    I was admonished by an echo moderator, to use FIDO style taglines in
    my QWK Mail, as the high ascii characters were crashing some systems.

    Daryl


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed Jan 29 08:42:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    NANCY BACKUS wrote to DARYL STOUT <=-
    ... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.
    That explains a lot. <g,d,r>
    Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
    survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
    my computer would let me) make most of those strange
    characters... :) But it is cute... <G>
    Clue: High or extended ASCII characters.
    Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the
    issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)

    You've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor:
    WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Mon Feb 3 02:09:46 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 29-Jan-2020 08:56 <=-

    Well, I have the program set to do regular ASCII style taglines, as
    in some echoes, and with some QWK readers, the high ASCII characters
    tend to crash things.
    Possibly less survive now to be bothered by it...

    I was admonished by an echo moderator, to use FIDO style taglines in
    my QWK Mail, as the high ascii characters were crashing some systems.

    And how long ago was that...? Admittedly, it's safer not to take the
    chance... and I don't indulge very often... but haven't received any
    feedback that it was causing any problems anywhere...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon Feb 3 03:32:38 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 29-Jan-2020 08:42 <=-

    Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
    survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
    my computer would let me) make most of those strange
    characters... :) But it is cute... <G>
    Clue: High or extended ASCII characters.
    Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the
    issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
    You've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor: WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.

    I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what I
    do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
    characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Tue Feb 4 22:34:00 2020
    Nancy,

    I was admonished by an echo moderator, to use FIDO style taglines in
    my QWK Mail, as the high ascii characters were crashing some systems.

    And how long ago was that...? Admittedly, it's safer not to take the NB>chance... and I don't indulge very often... but haven't received any NB>feedback that it was causing any problems anywhere...

    It was just a few months ago. Being that I wasn't the coordinator (I
    might be of another message network soon...the one doing it doesn't have
    time for it anymore), I played by the rules. The thing is, it'll take a
    ton of work to change things up, and get things moved over...so, it
    won't happen overnight.

    Daryl


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Tue Feb 4 07:30:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
    survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
    my computer would let me) make most of those strange
    characters... :) But it is cute... <G>
    Clue: High or extended ASCII characters.
    Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the
    issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
    You've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor: WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.
    I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of
    what I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some
    high/extended ASCII characters if I really do need to use them...
    And I can make the degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>

    <applause!!> Same process and can create others. Though sometimes not-quite-as-expected results: the pi character (ALT_227, or at least
    for the current mode) will create a <CR><LF> combination. (Carriage
    return --> back to Column 1, Line Feed --> drop down one line.) So
    [pi]r^2 becomes
    r^2 -- oops!


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Thu Feb 6 10:21:00 2020
    Barry,

    [pi]r^2 becomes
    r^2 -- oops!

    That's for those who think cornbread is round, and pie are square.
    Actually, the opposite is true. <G>

    Daryl


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Sun Feb 9 01:35:32 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 04-Feb-2020 22:34 <=-

    I was admonished by an echo moderator, to use FIDO style taglines in
    my QWK Mail, as the high ascii characters were crashing some systems.

    And how long ago was that...? Admittedly, it's safer not to take the
    chance... and I don't indulge very often... but haven't received any
    feedback that it was causing any problems anywhere...

    It was just a few months ago. Being that I wasn't the coordinator (I
    might be of another message network soon...the one doing it doesn't
    have time for it anymore), I played by the rules. The thing is, it'll
    take a ton of work to change things up, and get things moved over...so,
    it won't happen overnight.

    Congratulations (or should it be condolences? [g]) on your new
    position... As to the admonishment, was it a Fido echo...? or some
    other network...?

    ttyl neb

    ... Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sun Feb 9 01:50:36 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 04-Feb-2020 07:30 <=-

    Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
    survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
    my computer would let me) make most of those strange characters...
    :) But it is cute... <G>
    Clue: High or extended ASCII characters.
    Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the
    issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
    You've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor:
    WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.
    I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what
    I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
    characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the
    degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
    <applause!!> Same process and can create others.

    I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with them,
    like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the degree symbol is
    just a fluke, actually... <G>

    Though sometimes not-quite-as-expected results: the pi character
    (ALT_227, or at least for the current mode) will create a <CR><LF> combination. (Carriage return --> back to Column 1, Line Feed -->
    drop down one line.) So [pi]r^2 becomes
    r^2 -- oops!

    Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sun Feb 9 00:25:00 2020
    Nancy,

    Congratulations (or should it be condolences? [g]) on your new NB>position... As to the admonishment, was it a Fido echo...? or some
    other network...?

    Maybe the latter. :P I had to remove DixieNet from the BBS, and if I
    don't hear a reply back from him soon, I'm going to remove all my
    connects and echoes from him. For that matter, he and one other Sysop
    sponsor several networks, but you rarely see them in the echoes.

    Daryl


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Sun Feb 9 09:22:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    [pi]r^2 becomes
    r^2 -- oops!
    That's for those who think cornbread is round, and pie are
    square. Actually, the opposite is true. <G>

    And don't try putting cornbread in a toaster!!


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Feb 9 09:22:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
    survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
    my computer would let me) make most of those strange characters...
    :) But it is cute... <G>
    Clue: High or extended ASCII characters.
    Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the
    issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
    You've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor:
    WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.
    I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what
    I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
    characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the
    degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
    <applause!!> Same process and can create others.
    I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
    them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
    degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>

    Flukes are how some dicoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø, ALT_155
    is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively. Whatever key combination
    gives you the degree symbol should give others, but of course computers
    tend to like to show us humans who's boss, or at least not passively
    complying <g> and some keystrokes will be used for other functions, like
    'pi' will show up here in the body but in the tagline will do a <CR><LF>.


    Though sometimes not-quite-as-expected results: the pi character
    (ALT_227, or at least for the current mode) will create a <CR><LF> combination. (Carriage return --> back to Column 1, Line Feed -->
    drop down one line.) So [pi]r^2 becomes
    r^2 -- oops!
    Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>

    Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! <gg>

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Sat Feb 15 20:34:36 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 09-Feb-2020 00:25 <=-

    Congratulations (or should it be condolences? [g]) on your new
    position... As to the admonishment, was it a Fido echo...? or some
    other network...?

    Maybe the latter. :P I had to remove DixieNet from the BBS, and if I
    don't hear a reply back from him soon, I'm going to remove all my
    connects and echoes from him. For that matter, he and one other Sysop sponsor several networks, but you rarely see them in the echoes.

    A lot of things seem to run on auto-pilot now... networks, echoes,
    bbses... but there also are still a number of still well-engaged people
    in the hobby...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Feb 15 21:03:44 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 09-Feb-2020 09:22 <=-

    Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the
    issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
    You've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor:
    WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.
    I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what
    I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
    characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the
    degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
    <applause!!> Same process and can create others.
    I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
    them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
    degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
    Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø, ALT_155
    is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively. Whatever key

    « ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not bound]' on
    the command line and beeps at me....

    combination gives you the degree symbol should give others, but of
    course computers tend to like to show us humans who's boss, or at least not passively complying <g> and some keystrokes will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the body but in the tagline
    will do a <CR><LF>.

    So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character... but I
    deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF> thingy....

    Though sometimes not-quite-as-expected results: the pi character
    (ALT_227, or at least for the current mode) will create a <CR><LF>
    combination. (Carriage return --> back to Column 1, Line Feed -->
    drop down one line.) So [pi]r^2 becomes
    r^2 -- oops!
    Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>
    Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! <gg>

    That's for sure... or if it is, it's AFTER she learned her lesson not to
    be too curious... and released the last bit, Hope, to mitigate things a
    bit... ;)

    ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.

    Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night for
    their bathroom stumbles... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Feb 16 10:06:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the
    issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
    You've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor:
    WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.
    I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what
    I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
    characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the
    degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
    <applause!!> Same process and can create others.
    I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
    them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
    degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
    Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø, ALT_155
    is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively. Whatever key
    « ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not
    bound]' on the command line and beeps at me....

    Well that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....)

    The "not bound" error does sort of give a clue: somewhere that key
    combination isn't listed in the table to create a cents symbol. At this
    point I couldn't guess where, and it's going to be a Wizard Job -- easy
    to do, just harder to find. Plus probably not worth it unless you were
    to use the symbol often.


    combination gives you the degree symbol should give others, but of
    course computers tend to like to show us humans who's boss, or at least not passively complying <g> and some keystrokes will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the body but in the tagline
    will do a <CR><LF>.
    So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character...
    but I deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF>
    thingy....

    (Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.) As for removing the pi
    symbol, good idea! In taglines, or at least in "DOS Mode Taglines" pi
    does get interpreted as <CR>LF>; as for in the text/message body IIRC
    sometimes it does <CR><LF> and sometimes will, dependant display on the
    word processor. I think with WordPad and Notepad one will display pi
    and one will not. ...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
    graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline: printing
    out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second message it
    came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays; found it puts
    up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was just CTRL_F!
    ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.



    Though sometimes not-quite-as-expected results: the pi character
    (ALT_227, or at least for the current mode) will create a <CR><LF>
    combination. (Carriage return --> back to Column 1, Line Feed -->
    drop down one line.) So [pi]r^2 becomes
    r^2 -- oops!
    Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>
    Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! <gg>
    That's for sure... or if it is, it's AFTER she learned her lesson
    not to be too curious... and released the last bit, Hope, to
    mitigate things a bit... ;)

    Hope Hope is able to fix most of those problems!


    ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
    Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
    for their bathroom stumbles... <G>

    Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Mon Feb 17 17:51:00 2020
    Nancy,

    A lot of things seem to run on auto-pilot now... networks, echoes, NB>bbses... but there also are still a number of still well-engaged people NB>in the hobby...

    I try to logon at least once a day...but if weather is bad, all bets
    are off. The long range outlook calls for a very wet and stormy spring
    here. That could mean significant flooding, and a greater threat of
    tornadoes.

    ... Behind every good computer - is a jumble of cables!

    That's the ONLY good rats nest I want to be around.

    Daryl


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Mon Feb 17 18:08:00 2020
    Nancy,

    ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.

    Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night for
    their bathroom stumbles... <G>

    But, being home alone is where you can potty with the door open. :P

    Yet, with drinking over a half gallon of fluid a day to keep flushed
    out, I make several overnight trips to the loo. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Feb 22 02:50:00 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 16-Feb-2020 10:06 <=-

    I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what
    I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
    characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the
    degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
    <applause!!> Same process and can create others.
    I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
    them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
    degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
    Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø,
    ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively.
    « ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not
    bound]' on the command line and beeps at me....
    Well that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....)

    Agreed. But that's the way it is....

    The "not bound" error does sort of give a clue: somewhere that key combination isn't listed in the table to create a cents symbol. At
    this point I couldn't guess where, and it's going to be a Wizard Job -- easy to do, just harder to find. Plus probably not worth it unless you were to use the symbol often.

    I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and if I
    do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc space]
    (mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and then Ctrl-Y
    to copy it into the message at that point)... But I can't directly make
    that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in this editor, just not the keystrokes to make it...

    Whatever key combination gives you the degree symbol should give
    others, but of course computers tend to like to show us humans who's
    boss, or at least not passively complying <g> and some keystrokes
    will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the
    body but in the tagline will do a <CR><LF>.
    So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character...
    but I deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF> thingy....
    (Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.)

    Yup, I was thinking the same thing....

    As for removing the pi symbol, good idea! In taglines, or at least
    in "DOS Mode Taglines" pi does get interpreted as <CR>LF>; as for
    in the text/message body IIRC sometimes it does <CR><LF> and sometimes will, dependant display on the word processor. I think with WordPad
    and Notepad one will display pi and one will not.

    Mine seemed to display it as pi... but I didn't leave it in to see what
    it would do when it was a finished reply in the packet.... ;)

    ...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
    graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline:
    printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays;
    found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was
    just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.

    In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probably
    erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up Arg: 4
    which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4 times.... so if I
    meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead, I'd quick do the Ctrl-G,
    and then do the proper paste... <G> Ctrl-F does do a search in browse
    for me, I don't think it does anything here in Emacs... :)

    Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>
    Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! <gg>
    That's for sure... or if it is, it's AFTER she learned her lesson
    not to be too curious... and released the last bit, Hope, to
    mitigate things a bit... ;)
    Hope Hope is able to fix most of those problems!

    If I recall the myth properly, it at least made it so people could
    survive despite all those ills unleashed upon the earth.... :)

    ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
    Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
    for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
    Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!

    Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Sat Feb 22 21:46:30 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 17-Feb-2020 17:51 <=-

    A lot of things seem to run on auto-pilot now... networks, echoes,
    bbses... but there also are still a number of still well-engaged
    people in the hobby...

    I try to logon at least once a day...but if weather is bad, all bets
    are off. The long range outlook calls for a very wet and stormy spring here. That could mean significant flooding, and a greater threat of tornadoes.

    Thankfully we don't have quite as hazardous weather here.... But I do
    sometimes have days that are just too busy to do any more than just log
    on for a quick grab packets for later....

    ... Behind every good computer - is a jumble of cables!

    That's the ONLY good rats nest I want to be around.

    Not likely to be produicing live varmints....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Feb 22 09:34:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what
    I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
    characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the
    degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
    <applause!!> Same process and can create others.
    I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
    them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
    degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
    Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø,
    ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively.
    « ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not
    bound]' on the command line and beeps at me....
    Well that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....)
    Agreed. But that's the way it is....

    Or at least for now. And unless you need to use the cents symbol
    sufficiently often no real need to sweetly ask The Wizard to fix it.


    The "not bound" error does sort of give a clue: somewhere that key combination isn't listed in the table to create a cents symbol. At
    this point I couldn't guess where, and it's going to be a Wizard Job -- easy to do, just harder to find. Plus probably not worth it unless you were to use the symbol often.
    I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and
    if I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc
    space] (mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and
    then Ctrl-Y to copy it into the message at that point)... But I
    can't directly make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in
    this editor, just not the keystrokes to make it...

    Right: I've done that also -- and sometimes easier to copy in than find
    the character in the tables. OK, that's not phrased right: I have a
    sheet with the unicode codes for frequently used characters; there is an electronic version, so I could copy and paste the character instead of
    using the unicode.


    Whatever key combination gives you the degree symbol should give
    others, but of course computers tend to like to show us humans who's
    boss, or at least not passively complying <g> and some keystrokes
    will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the
    body but in the tagline will do a <CR><LF>.
    So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character...
    but I deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF> thingy....
    (Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.)
    Yup, I was thinking the same thing....

    That's where stuff starts getting convoluted and sometimes a hare
    confusing. :)


    As for removing the pi symbol, good idea! In taglines, or at least
    in "DOS Mode Taglines" pi does get interpreted as <CR>LF>; as for
    in the text/message body IIRC sometimes it does <CR><LF> and sometimes will, dependant display on the word processor. I think with WordPad
    and Notepad one will display pi and one will not.
    Mine seemed to display it as pi... but I didn't leave it in to
    see what it would do when it was a finished reply in the
    packet.... ;)

    Mine also displays: just tested but deleted. IIRC some BBS software
    really gets upset when it sees a pi character in the text body.


    ...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
    graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline:
    printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays;
    found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was
    just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.
    In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probably erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up
    Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4
    times.... so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead,
    I'd quick do the Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... <G>
    Ctrl-F does do a search in browse for me, I don't think it does
    anything here in Emacs... :)

    Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece of software to another!


    Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>
    Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! <gg>
    That's for sure... or if it is, it's AFTER she learned her lesson
    not to be too curious... and released the last bit, Hope, to
    mitigate things a bit... ;)
    Hope Hope is able to fix most of those problems!
    If I recall the myth properly, it at least made it so people
    could survive despite all those ills unleashed upon the earth....
    :)

    Probably right, especially with Hope coming out of the box, or I think
    she was inside. It's been probably fifty-five years since I read Greek mythology.


    ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
    Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
    for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
    Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
    Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>

    I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
    have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added the
    Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Feb 27 02:00:24 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 22-Feb-2020 09:34 <=-

    I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
    them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
    degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
    Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø,
    ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively.
    « ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not
    bound]' on the command line and beeps at me....
    Well that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....)
    Agreed. But that's the way it is....
    Or at least for now. And unless you need to use the cents symbol sufficiently often no real need to sweetly ask The Wizard to fix it.

    Pretty much there's not a lot of call for it... :)

    The "not bound" error does sort of give a clue: somewhere that key
    combination isn't listed in the table to create a cents symbol. At
    this point I couldn't guess where, and it's going to be a Wizard Job --
    easy to do, just harder to find. Plus probably not worth it unless you
    were to use the symbol often.
    I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and if
    I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc space]
    (mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and then Ctrl-Y
    to copy it into the message at that point)... But I can't directly
    make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in this editor, just
    not the keystrokes to make it...
    Right: I've done that also -- and sometimes easier to copy in than
    find the character in the tables. OK, that's not phrased right: I have
    a sheet with the unicode codes for frequently used characters; there is
    an electronic version, so I could copy and paste the character instead
    of using the unicode.

    At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I could access
    if needed... now I forget what I called it... <G> But part of the
    problem is that I don't really need them all that often...

    Whatever key combination gives you the degree symbol should give
    others, but of course computers tend to like to show us humans who's
    boss, or at least not passively complying <g> and some keystrokes
    will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the
    body but in the tagline will do a <CR><LF>.
    So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character...
    but I deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF> thingy....
    (Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.)
    Yup, I was thinking the same thing....
    That's where stuff starts getting convoluted and sometimes a hare confusing. :)

    Par for the course when it comes to computers... <G>

    As for removing the pi symbol, good idea! In taglines, or at least
    in "DOS Mode Taglines" pi does get interpreted as <CR>LF>; as for
    in the text/message body IIRC sometimes it does <CR><LF> and sometimes
    will, dependant display on the word processor. I think with WordPad
    and Notepad one will display pi and one will not.
    Mine seemed to display it as pi... but I didn't leave it in to see
    what it would do when it was a finished reply in the packet.... ;)
    Mine also displays: just tested but deleted. IIRC some BBS software really gets upset when it sees a pi character in the text body.

    No reason to take chances... :)

    ...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
    graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline:
    printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second
    message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays;
    found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was
    just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.
    In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probably
    erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up
    Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4 times...
    so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead, I'd quick do the
    Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... <G> Ctrl-F does do a search
    in browse for me, I don't think it does anything here in Emacs... :)
    Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
    of software to another!

    Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the other... :)

    Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>
    Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! <gg>
    That's for sure... or if it is, it's AFTER she learned her lesson
    not to be too curious... and released the last bit, Hope, to
    mitigate things a bit... ;)
    Hope Hope is able to fix most of those problems!
    If I recall the myth properly, it at least made it so people could
    survive despite all those ills unleashed upon the earth.... :)
    Probably right, especially with Hope coming out of the box, or I think
    she was inside. It's been probably fifty-five years since I read
    Greek mythology.

    Yup, she was still in the box...

    ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
    Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
    for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
    Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
    Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>
    I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
    have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added
    the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)

    Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one upstairs
    and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a shower... both
    with toilet and sink...

    ... How long a minute is depends on what side of bathroom door you're
    on.

    How true...! ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Feb 27 08:28:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
    them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
    degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
    Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø,
    ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively.
    « ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not
    bound]' on the command line and beeps at me....
    Well that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....)
    Agreed. But that's the way it is....
    Or at least for now. And unless you need to use the cents symbol sufficiently often no real need to sweetly ask The Wizard to fix it.
    Pretty much there's not a lot of call for it... :)

    Right: we've probably used the cents symbol more in the last couple of
    weeks than we did all last year! ...Did remind me: when working at the
    store needed to create a sign on the Sign Machine. Let's say the price portion was 89›. Every one would have used 0.89 because that was the
    format on the template. I decided to try if ALT_155 would work - yup! (Didn't tell the othes I used a different template!)


    The "not bound" error does sort of give a clue: somewhere that key
    combination isn't listed in the table to create a cents symbol. At
    this point I couldn't guess where, and it's going to be a Wizard Job --
    easy to do, just harder to find. Plus probably not worth it unless you
    were to use the symbol often.
    I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and if
    I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc space]
    (mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and then Ctrl-Y
    to copy it into the message at that point)... But I can't directly
    make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in this editor, just
    not the keystrokes to make it...
    Right: I've done that also -- and sometimes easier to copy in than
    find the character in the tables. OK, that's not phrased right: I have
    a sheet with the unicode codes for frequently used characters; there is
    an electronic version, so I could copy and paste the character instead
    of using the unicode.
    At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I could
    access if needed... now I forget what I called it... <G> But

    BTDT!!

    part of the problem is that I don't really need them all that
    often...

    Probably just recreate the text file including the symbols you currently
    use -- and when you save it a SYMBOLS.TXT you'll find that's what you
    called the original file!!


    Whatever key combination gives you the degree symbol should give
    others, but of course computers tend to like to show us humans who's
    boss, or at least not passively complying <g> and some keystrokes
    will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the
    body but in the tagline will do a <CR><LF>.
    So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character...
    but I deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF> thingy....
    (Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.)
    Yup, I was thinking the same thing....
    That's where stuff starts getting convoluted and sometimes a hare confusing. :)
    Par for the course when it comes to computers... <G>

    On one hand it's all zero-and-one, yes-or-no, true-or-false. Then flip
    the power switch and things start to get complicated!


    As for removing the pi symbol, good idea! In taglines, or at least
    in "DOS Mode Taglines" pi does get interpreted as <CR>LF>; as for
    in the text/message body IIRC sometimes it does <CR><LF> and sometimes
    will, dependant display on the word processor. I think with WordPad
    and Notepad one will display pi and one will not.
    Mine seemed to display it as pi... but I didn't leave it in to see
    what it would do when it was a finished reply in the packet.... ;)
    Mine also displays: just tested but deleted. IIRC some BBS software really gets upset when it sees a pi character in the text body.
    No reason to take chances... :)

    Accidental is one thing, on purpose when know can cause a problem is a another.


    ...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
    graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline:
    printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second
    message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays;
    found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was
    just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.
    In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probably
    erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up
    Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4 times...
    so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead, I'd quick do the
    Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... <G> Ctrl-F does do a search
    in browse for me, I don't think it does anything here in Emacs... :)
    Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
    of software to another!
    Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the
    other... :)

    Nope: as I indicated in other messages back when I was selling computers
    Apple had some sort of 'rule' in effect for their software and for third-
    party vendors where certain keys always had the same function: F1 =
    Help, F9 = Volume Down, F10 = Volume Up (as examples, don't know if
    accurate represntations). Tends to make sense as easier when switching
    from one piece of software to another. OTOH for the basic functions
    makes sense but may become restrictive when one gets in to extended
    functions.



    ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
    Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
    for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
    Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
    Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>
    I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
    have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added
    the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)
    Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one
    upstairs and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a
    shower... both with toilet and sink...

    The reverse here, though part may be due to this house originally had
    just one bathroom. First floor had a tub only originally. Had the dangle-hose thing to create shower. Eventually switched to an external (exposed) pipe ==> replace the spout with one with diverter and add the
    shower head kit. (Oddly the shower pipe was a different diameter than
    the screw hole in the diverter - the plumbing guy also couldn't believe
    it.) Eventually had the bathroom redone and the plumbing redone to be
    inside the wall.

    Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as big
    as a tub would take if not a little larger.



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Mar 5 00:39:26 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 27-Feb-2020 08:28 <=-

    I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
    them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
    degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
    Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø,
    ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively.
    « ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not
    bound]' on the command line and beeps at me....
    Well that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....)
    Agreed. But that's the way it is....
    Or at least for now. And unless you need to use the cents symbol
    sufficiently often no real need to sweetly ask The Wizard to fix it.
    Pretty much there's not a lot of call for it... :)
    Right: we've probably used the cents symbol more in the last couple of weeks than we did all last year!

    Yup... :)

    ...Did remind me: when working at
    the store needed to create a sign on the Sign Machine. Let's say the price portion was 89›. Every one would have used 0.89 because that was the format on the template. I decided to try if ALT_155 would work -
    yup! (Didn't tell the others I used a different template!)

    Let them just be in awe of your superior knowledge... ;)

    I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and if
    I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc space]
    (mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and then Ctrl-Y
    to copy it into the message at that point)... But I can't directly
    make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in this editor, just
    not the keystrokes to make it...
    Right: I've done that also -- and sometimes easier to copy in than
    find the character in the tables. OK, that's not phrased right: I have
    a sheet with the unicode codes for frequently used characters; there is
    an electronic version, so I could copy and paste the character instead
    of using the unicode.
    At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I could
    access if needed... now I forget what I called it... <G>
    BTDT!!
    But part of the problem is that I don't really need them all that
    often...
    Probably just recreate the text file including the symbols you
    currently use -- and when you save it as SYMBOLS.TXT you'll find that's what you called the original file!!

    Just dropped to dos and did a quick look... didn't find that one... and
    did a bit of a lookaround and didn't find anything likely at all... not
    a clue what I called it... maybe I decided I didn't really need it and
    deleted it....

    So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character...
    but I deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF> thingy....
    (Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.)
    Yup, I was thinking the same thing....
    That's where stuff starts getting convoluted and sometimes a hare
    confusing. :)
    Par for the course when it comes to computers... <G>
    On one hand it's all zero-and-one, yes-or-no, true-or-false. Then
    flip the power switch and things start to get complicated!

    Yup. :)

    ...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
    graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline:
    printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second
    message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays;
    found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was
    just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.
    In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probably
    erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up
    Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4 times...
    so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead, I'd quick do the
    Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... <G> Ctrl-F does do a search
    in browse for me, I don't think it does anything here in Emacs... :)
    Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
    of software to another!
    Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the
    other... :)
    Nope: as I indicated in other messages back when I was selling
    computers Apple had some sort of 'rule' in effect for their software
    and for third- party vendors where certain keys always had the same function: F1 = Help, F9 = Volume Down, F10 = Volume Up (as examples,
    don't know if accurate representations).

    F1 is pretty standard for Help, across the board...

    Tends to make sense as easier when switching from one piece of software
    to another. OTOH for the basic functions makes sense but may become restrictive when one gets in to extended functions.

    That's where one has f1 and F1, or more likely F1 and Shift-F1... :)
    And gets another four from adding F11 and F12.... ;)

    ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
    Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
    for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
    Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
    Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>
    I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
    have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added
    the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)
    Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one upstairs
    and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a shower... both
    with toilet and sink...
    The reverse here, though part may be due to this house originally had
    just one bathroom. First floor had a tub only originally.

    Ours had the upstairs bathroom first, and the downstairs was added in
    the '50s (before our time) by taking over the pantry off the kitchen...
    So the upstairs had the tub.... and there was only room for a standup
    shower downstairs.... :)

    Had the dangle-hose thing to create a shower. Eventually switched to
    an external (exposed) pipe ==> replace the spout with one with
    diverter and add the shower head kit. (Oddly the shower pipe was a different diameter than the screw hole in the diverter - the plumbing
    guy also couldn't believe it.) Eventually had the bathroom redone
    and the plumbing redone to be inside the wall.

    We talked about doing something to turn the tub into a tub/shower, but
    never did... it's one of those old clawfoot tubs, so not all that
    conducive... :)

    Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as
    big as a tub would take if not a little larger.

    Yours both sound more modern than either of ours... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Mar 5 11:51:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    ...Did remind me: when working at
    the store needed to create a sign on the Sign Machine. Let's say the price portion was 89›. Every one would have used 0.89 because that was the format on the template. I decided to try if ALT_155 would work -
    yup! (Didn't tell the others I used a different template!)
    Let them just be in awe of your superior knowledge... ;)

    <smile> And that's more or less useful! LIS some time back, there were
    times when they'd (management) assign me to walk with a repairman
    because I knew where stuff was, or could figure stuff out.


    I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and if
    I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc space]
    (mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and then Ctrl-Y
    to copy it into the message at that point)... But I can't directly
    make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in this editor, just
    not the keystrokes to make it...
    Right: I've done that also -- and sometimes easier to copy in than
    find the character in the tables. OK, that's not phrased right: I have
    a sheet with the unicode codes for frequently used characters; there is
    an electronic version, so I could copy and paste the character instead
    of using the unicode.
    At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I could
    access if needed... now I forget what I called it... <G>
    BTDT!!
    But part of the problem is that I don't really need them all that
    often...
    Probably just recreate the text file including the symbols you
    currently use -- and when you save it as SYMBOLS.TXT you'll find that's what you called the original file!!
    Just dropped to dos and did a quick look... didn't find that
    one... and did a bit of a lookaround and didn't find anything
    likely at all... not a clue what I called it... maybe I decided I
    didn't really need it and deleted it....

    That's a possibility too - or accidentally got deleted with a purge
    session to make room on the hard drive. Unless you have some sort of
    indexing utility which looks in text files to build a search catalogue
    then you might never find it. (Think Google or Bing search engin but for
    your personal coputer.)



    ...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
    graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline:
    printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second
    message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays;
    found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was
    just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.
    In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probably
    erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up
    Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4 times...
    so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead, I'd quick do the
    Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... <G> Ctrl-F does do a search
    in browse for me, I don't think it does anything here in Emacs... :)
    Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
    of software to another!
    Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the
    other... :)
    Nope: as I indicated in other messages back when I was selling
    computers Apple had some sort of 'rule' in effect for their software
    and for third- party vendors where certain keys always had the same function: F1 = Help, F9 = Volume Down, F10 = Volume Up (as examples,
    don't know if accurate representations).
    F1 is pretty standard for Help, across the board...

    True; not the best example for randomized Function key assignments.


    Tends to make sense as easier when switching from one piece of software
    to another. OTOH for the basic functions makes sense but may become restrictive when one gets in to extended functions.
    That's where one has f1 and F1, or more likely F1 and Shift-F1...
    :) And gets another four from adding F11 and F12.... ;)

    My first computer was a DEC Rainbow 100 and it had a shallow drawer
    along the top, above the function keys (which I think went to F19), with
    a clear cover. Many utilties came with a long strip of plastic with the function of the function keys printed on it -- place in the well.
    Sometimes needed a magnifying glass as the function keys not only has
    no-shift and shift_Function, but Ctrl_Fntn, Alt_Fntn, so at least for
    rows of information on about a half-inch strip of plastic or cardboard.


    ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
    Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
    for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
    Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
    Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>
    I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
    have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added
    the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)
    Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one upstairs
    and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a shower... both
    with toilet and sink...
    The reverse here, though part may be due to this house originally had
    just one bathroom. First floor had a tub only originally.
    Ours had the upstairs bathroom first, and the downstairs was
    added in the '50s (before our time) by taking over the pantry off
    the kitchen... So the upstairs had the tub.... and there was only
    room for a standup shower downstairs.... :)

    Friend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
    only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
    and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
    could go on the first floor for her but never did.


    Had the dangle-hose thing to create a shower. Eventually switched to
    an external (exposed) pipe ==> replace the spout with one with
    diverter and add the shower head kit. (Oddly the shower pipe was a different diameter than the screw hole in the diverter - the plumbing
    guy also couldn't believe it.) Eventually had the bathroom redone
    and the plumbing redone to be inside the wall.
    We talked about doing something to turn the tub into a
    tub/shower, but never did... it's one of those old clawfoot tubs,
    so not all that conducive... :)

    IIRC the adapter we got was for adding a shower to a clawfoot or free- standing tub. Basically a long upside-down J pipe; LIS the pipe didn't connect directly/properly to our tub but it was a built-in tub, so
    different hardware.


    Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as
    big as a tub would take if not a little larger.
    Yours both sound more modern than either of ours... ;)

    We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
    the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
    ...Get one of those pet stairways?!

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue Mar 10 18:40:36 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 05-Mar-2020 11:51 <=-

    ...Did remind me: when working at
    the store needed to create a sign on the Sign Machine. Let's say the
    price portion was 89›. Every one would have used 0.89 because that was
    the format on the template. I decided to try if ALT_155 would work -
    yup! (Didn't tell the others I used a different template!)
    Let them just be in awe of your superior knowledge... ;)
    <smile> And that's more or less useful! LIS some time back, there were times when they'd (management) assign me to walk with a repairman
    because I knew where stuff was, or could figure stuff out.

    Yup....

    At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I could
    access if needed... now I forget what I called it... <G>
    BTDT!!
    But part of the problem is that I don't really need them all that
    often...
    Probably just recreate the text file including the symbols you
    currently use -- and when you save it as SYMBOLS.TXT you'll find that's
    what you called the original file!!
    Just dropped to dos and did a quick look... didn't find that one...
    and did a bit of a lookaround and didn't find anything likely at
    all... not a clue what I called it... maybe I decided I didn't really
    need it and deleted it....
    That's a possibility too - or accidentally got deleted with a purge session to make room on the hard drive. Unless you have some sort of indexing utility which looks in text files to build a search catalogue then you might never find it. (Think Google or Bing search engine but
    for your personal computer.)

    I've heard of such... dunno if I do have such on this computer, but
    things are pretty well organized anyway... there's only one directory it
    would have been in, and after "ls *.txt" failed to find it, I looked at
    the entire list... :) And then checked a few other directories just in
    case I'd moved it (highly unlikely, though)... "whereis" would have
    turned it up anywhere on the same drive D, but I didn't go quite that
    far.... ;) But those are only looking for the file names, not checking
    inside the files themselves...

    Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
    of software to another!
    Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the
    other... :)
    Nope: as I indicated in other messages back when I was selling
    computers Apple had some sort of 'rule' in effect for their software
    and for third-party vendors where certain keys always had the same
    function: F1 = Help, F9 = Volume Down, F10 = Volume Up (as examples,
    don't know if accurate representations).
    F1 is pretty standard for Help, across the board...
    True; not the best example for randomized Function key assignments.

    The other two, though, do tend to be more specialized depending on the software.... My genealogy program uses the F9 for repeating an entry,
    F10 for accepting a screen... or finishing and exiting the program,
    depending on where one is.... Emacs, f9 is save file, f10 is exit
    emacs....

    Tends to make sense as easier when switching from one piece of software
    to another. OTOH for the basic functions makes sense but may become
    restrictive when one gets in to extended functions.
    That's where one has f1 and F1, or more likely F1 and Shift-F1... :)
    And gets another four from adding F11 and F12.... ;)
    My first computer was a DEC Rainbow 100 and it had a shallow drawer
    along the top, above the function keys (which I think went to F19),
    with a clear cover. Many utilities came with a long strip of plastic
    with the function of the function keys printed on it -- place in the
    well. Sometimes needed a magnifying glass as the function keys not only has no-shift and shift_Function, but Ctrl_Fntn, Alt_Fntn, so at least
    four rows of information on about a half-inch strip of plastic or cardboard.

    Now that's getting complicated.... ;)

    ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
    Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
    for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
    Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
    Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>
    I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
    have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added
    the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)
    Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one upstairs
    and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a shower... both
    with toilet and sink...
    The reverse here, though part may be due to this house originally had
    just one bathroom. First floor had a tub only originally.
    Ours had the upstairs bathroom first, and the downstairs was added in
    the '50s (before our time) by taking over the pantry off the kitchen..
    So the upstairs had the tub.... and there was only room for a standup
    shower downstairs.... :)
    Friend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
    only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
    and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
    could go on the first floor for her but never did.

    My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
    under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
    sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....

    Had the dangle-hose thing to create a shower. Eventually switched to
    an external (exposed) pipe ==> replace the spout with one with
    diverter and add the shower head kit. (Oddly the shower pipe was a
    different diameter than the screw hole in the diverter - the plumbing
    guy also couldn't believe it.) Eventually had the bathroom redone
    and the plumbing redone to be inside the wall.
    We talked about doing something to turn the tub into a tub/shower,
    but never did... it's one of those old clawfoot tubs, so not all that
    conducive... :)
    IIRC the adapter we got was for adding a shower to a clawfoot or free- standing tub. Basically a long upside-down J pipe; LIS the pipe
    didn't connect directly/properly to our tub but it was a built-in tub,
    so different hardware.

    Makes sense...

    Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as
    big as a tub would take if not a little larger.
    Yours both sound more modern than either of ours... ;)
    We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
    the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
    ...Get one of those pet stairways?!

    They do make assistive steps for people... I've seen them in catalogs... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed Mar 11 08:45:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I could
    access if needed... now I forget what I called it... <G>
    BTDT!!
    But part of the problem is that I don't really need them all that
    often...
    Probably just recreate the text file including the symbols you
    currently use -- and when you save it as SYMBOLS.TXT you'll find that's
    what you called the original file!!
    Just dropped to dos and did a quick look... didn't find that one...
    and did a bit of a lookaround and didn't find anything likely at
    all... not a clue what I called it... maybe I decided I didn't really
    need it and deleted it....
    That's a possibility too - or accidentally got deleted with a purge session to make room on the hard drive. Unless you have some sort of indexing utility which looks in text files to build a search catalogue then you might never find it. (Think Google or Bing search engine but
    for your personal computer.)
    I've heard of such... dunno if I do have such on this computer,
    but things are pretty well organized anyway... there's only one
    directory it would have been in, and after "ls *.txt" failed to
    find it, I looked at the entire list... :) And then checked a
    few other directories just in case I'd moved it (highly unlikely, though)... "whereis" would have turned it up anywhere on the
    same drive D, but I didn't go quite that far.... ;) But those
    are only looking for the file names, not checking inside the
    files themselves...

    Two potential oversights with "ls *.txt": if capitalized won't find.
    The other is if no extention won't find (obviously) but Linux probably
    won't have a problem with figuring out it's a text file (unlike some
    other operating system). First may help find your file, second one
    won't.

    OK, since that was and wasn't helpful in ls finding a file with unknown
    case and Linux is very case sensitive (txt, TXT, tXt, TxT are four
    different files) did a little playing. ls itself does have a switch to
    ignore cases. grep does (-i), so "ls | grep -i txt" allows for case insensitivity. (Note not "*.txt".) ...You can do ".txt" to only list
    the extension hits.



    Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
    of software to another!
    Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the
    other... :)
    Nope: as I indicated in other messages back when I was selling
    computers Apple had some sort of 'rule' in effect for their software
    and for third-party vendors where certain keys always had the same
    function: F1 = Help, F9 = Volume Down, F10 = Volume Up (as examples,
    don't know if accurate representations).
    F1 is pretty standard for Help, across the board...
    True; not the best example for randomized Function key assignments.
    The other two, though, do tend to be more specialized depending
    on the software.... My genealogy program uses the F9 for
    repeating an entry, F10 for accepting a screen... or finishing
    and exiting the program, depending on where one is.... Emacs, f9
    is save file, f10 is exit emacs....

    As much as I prefer keyboarding I do tend to use the mouse to do a lot
    of commands, primarily because they are not consistent and so safer: I
    don't accidentally type the wrong key. ...OTOH I'm sort of in DOS mode thinking writing this and thinking EDIT is "Alt F S" to Save and "Alt F
    X" to exit (which will also prompt to save if the file has been
    changed).


    Tends to make sense as easier when switching from one piece of software
    to another. OTOH for the basic functions makes sense but may become
    restrictive when one gets in to extended functions.
    That's where one has f1 and F1, or more likely F1 and Shift-F1... :)
    And gets another four from adding F11 and F12.... ;)
    My first computer was a DEC Rainbow 100 and it had a shallow drawer
    along the top, above the function keys (which I think went to F19),
    with a clear cover. Many utilities came with a long strip of plastic
    with the function of the function keys printed on it -- place in the
    well. Sometimes needed a magnifying glass as the function keys not only has no-shift and shift_Function, but Ctrl_Fntn, Alt_Fntn, so at least
    four rows of information on about a half-inch strip of plastic or cardboard.
    Now that's getting complicated.... ;)

    It was! Even back when WordPerfect was on a 5¬" floppy it had a lot of options!



    ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
    Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
    for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
    Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
    Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>
    I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
    have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added
    the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)
    Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one upstairs
    and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a shower... both
    with toilet and sink...
    The reverse here, though part may be due to this house originally had
    just one bathroom. First floor had a tub only originally.
    Ours had the upstairs bathroom first, and the downstairs was added in
    the '50s (before our time) by taking over the pantry off the kitchen..
    So the upstairs had the tub.... and there was only room for a standup
    shower downstairs.... :)
    Friend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
    only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
    and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
    could go on the first floor for her but never did.
    My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been
    the under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet
    and small sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was
    built 1900....

    My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
    recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like I
    knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was eight
    or so, so small).


    Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as
    big as a tub would take if not a little larger.
    Yours both sound more modern than either of ours... ;)
    We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
    the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
    ...Get one of those pet stairways?!
    They do make assistive steps for people... I've seen them in
    catalogs... :)

    Hopefully for both sides! I can get in with the steps, holding on and
    pivot to get into the tub - now how do I get out?!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Mar 18 19:50:34 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 11-Mar-2020 08:45 <=-

    session to make room on the hard drive. Unless you have some sort of
    indexing utility which looks in text files to build a search catalogue
    then you might never find it. (Think Google or Bing search engine but
    for your personal computer.)
    I've heard of such... dunno if I do have such on this computer, but
    things are pretty well organized anyway... there's only one directory
    it would have been in, and after "ls *.txt" failed to find it, I looked
    at the entire list... :) And then checked a few other directories
    just in case I'd moved it (highly unlikely, though)... "whereis" would
    have turned it up anywhere on the same drive D, but I didn't go quite
    that far.... ;) But those are only looking for the file names, not
    checking inside the files themselves...
    Two potential oversights with "ls *.txt": if capitalized won't find.

    I'm using some *nix commands in DOS... DOS isn't case-sensitive... in fact,
    it turns anything Capitalized into all lower case.... so ls *.txt works
    fine for anything I have....

    The other is if no extention won't find (obviously) but Linux probably won't have a problem with figuring out it's a text file (unlike some
    other operating system). First may help find your file, second one
    won't.

    My files are all in 8.3 format, sometimes with creative extensions... ;)
    DOS and my editor can tell when something is actually a text file,
    too...

    OK, since that was and wasn't helpful in ls finding a file with
    unknown case and Linux is very case sensitive (txt, TXT, tXt, TxT are
    four different files) did a little playing. ls itself does have a
    switch to ignore cases. grep does (-i), so "ls | grep -i txt" allows for case insensitivity. (Note not "*.txt".) ...You can do ".txt" to
    only list the extension hits.

    I'll try to remember that for if/when I switch to just Linux... so far
    I'm happily just using DOS for most of what I do.... and then, very occasionally, linux here or on one of Richard's machines, or Windows10
    on the touchscreen machine of Richard's that lets me do websites that
    lynx can't handle....

    Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
    of software to another!
    Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the
    other... :)
    Nope: as I indicated in other messages back when I was selling
    computers Apple had some sort of 'rule' in effect for their software
    and for third-party vendors where certain keys always had the same
    function: F1 = Help, F9 = Volume Down, F10 = Volume Up (as examples,
    don't know if accurate representations).
    F1 is pretty standard for Help, across the board...
    True; not the best example for randomized Function key assignments.
    The other two, though, do tend to be more specialized depending on the
    software.... My genealogy program uses the F9 for repeating an entry,
    F10 for accepting a screen... or finishing and exiting the program,
    depending on where one is.... Emacs, f9=save file, f10=exit emacs....
    As much as I prefer keyboarding I do tend to use the mouse to do a lot
    of commands, primarily because they are not consistent and so safer: I don't accidentally type the wrong key. ...OTOH I'm sort of in DOS
    mode thinking writing this and thinking EDIT is "Alt F S" to Save and
    "Alt F X" to exit (which will also prompt to save if the file has been changed).

    One has to be in a graphic interface for the mouse to be helpful, even potentially... ;) Mine's strictly text... <G>

    Ours had the upstairs bathroom first, and the downstairs was added in
    the '50s (before our time) by taking over the pantry off the kitchen..
    So the upstairs had the tub.... and there was only room for a standup
    shower downstairs.... :)
    Friend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
    only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
    and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
    could go on the first floor for her but never did.
    My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
    under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
    sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
    My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
    I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
    eight or so, so small).

    I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's half-bath
    tiny as well.... ;)

    Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as
    big as a tub would take if not a little larger.
    Yours both sound more modern than either of ours... ;)
    We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
    the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
    ...Get one of those pet stairways?!
    They do make assistive steps for people... I've seen them in
    catalogs... :)
    Hopefully for both sides! I can get in with the steps, holding on and pivot to get into the tub - now how do I get out?!

    You use a bench seat in the tub, and stand up, put your leg over to the outside, repeat with other leg.... Or, even without the steps on the
    outside, one could sit on the edge of the tub, swing legs in or out and
    then procede as above... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Mar 20 08:31:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    session to make room on the hard drive. Unless you have some sort of
    indexing utility which looks in text files to build a search catalogue
    then you might never find it. (Think Google or Bing search engine but
    for your personal computer.)
    I've heard of such... dunno if I do have such on this computer, but
    things are pretty well organized anyway... there's only one directory
    it would have been in, and after "ls *.txt" failed to find it, I looked
    at the entire list... :) And then checked a few other directories
    just in case I'd moved it (highly unlikely, though)... "whereis" would
    have turned it up anywhere on the same drive D, but I didn't go quite
    that far.... ;) But those are only looking for the file names, not
    checking inside the files themselves...
    Two potential oversights with "ls *.txt": if capitalized won't find.
    I'm using some *nix commands in DOS... DOS isn't
    case-sensitive... in fact, it turns anything Capitalized into all
    lower case.... so ls *.txt works fine for anything I have....

    That was something I had to get used to: normally I write with the first
    word of the sentence capitalized so sometimes was carried over to the
    command entry. As you noted, doesn't matter for (MS-)DOS; sure does
    for Linux!


    The other is if no extention won't find (obviously) but Linux probably won't have a problem with figuring out it's a text file (unlike some
    other operating system). First may help find your file, second one
    won't.
    My files are all in 8.3 format, sometimes with creative
    extensions... ;) DOS and my editor can tell when something is
    actually a text file, too...

    Good on that! I had taught Windows the 'BJM extension' (.BJM) was a
    text file: my initials and something as a way to quickly find my notes
    or comments. Windows needed to be told and placed in the table; Linux
    just knew.


    OK, since that was and wasn't helpful in ls finding a file with
    unknown case and Linux is very case sensitive (txt, TXT, tXt, TxT are
    four different files) did a little playing. ls itself does have a
    switch to ignore cases. grep does (-i), so "ls | grep -i txt" allows for case insensitivity. (Note not "*.txt".) ...You can do ".txt" to
    only list the extension hits.
    I'll try to remember that for if/when I switch to just Linux...
    so far I'm happily just using DOS for most of what I do.... and
    then, very occasionally, linux here or on one of Richard's
    machines, or Windows10 on the touchscreen machine of Richard's
    that lets me do websites that lynx can't handle....

    Always handy to be aware of some of the tricks and tips. :) May not
    remember right off: there have been more than a few times I type in a half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.


    As much as I prefer keyboarding I do tend to use the mouse to do a lot
    of commands, primarily because they are not consistent and so safer: I don't accidentally type the wrong key. ...OTOH I'm sort of in DOS
    mode thinking writing this and thinking EDIT is "Alt F S" to Save and
    "Alt F X" to exit (which will also prompt to save if the file has been changed).
    One has to be in a graphic interface for the mouse to be helpful,
    even potentially... ;) Mine's strictly text... <G>

    There have been those times I grab the mouse to move the cursor and the
    cursor just sits there!


    Ours had the upstairs bathroom first, and the downstairs was added in
    the '50s (before our time) by taking over the pantry off the kitchen..
    So the upstairs had the tub.... and there was only room for a standup
    shower downstairs.... :)
    Friend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
    only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
    and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
    could go on the first floor for her but never did.
    My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
    under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
    sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
    My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
    I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
    eight or so, so small).
    I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's
    half-bath tiny as well.... ;)

    There are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom space!



    Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as
    big as a tub would take if not a little larger.
    Yours both sound more modern than either of ours... ;)
    We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
    the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
    ...Get one of those pet stairways?!
    They do make assistive steps for people... I've seen them in
    catalogs... :)
    Hopefully for both sides! I can get in with the steps, holding on and pivot to get into the tub - now how do I get out?!
    You use a bench seat in the tub, and stand up, put your leg over
    to the outside, repeat with other leg.... Or, even without the
    steps on the outside, one could sit on the edge of the tub, swing
    legs in or out and then procede as above... ;)

    But the old tub's old and made of cast iron: it's c-c-cold!!! As for
    the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch rise
    (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the tub
    and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon Mar 30 19:23:46 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 20-Mar-2020 08:31 <=-

    I've heard of such... dunno if I do have such on this computer, but
    things are pretty well organized anyway... there's only one directory
    it would have been in, and after "ls *.txt" failed to find it, I looked
    at the entire list... :) And then checked a few other directories
    just in case I'd moved it (highly unlikely, though)... "whereis" would
    have turned it up anywhere on the same drive D, but I didn't go quite
    that far.... ;) But those are only looking for the file names, not
    checking inside the files themselves...
    Two potential oversights with "ls *.txt": if capitalized won't find.
    I'm using some *nix commands in DOS... DOS isn't case-sensitive... in
    fact, it turns anything Capitalized into all lower case... so ls *.txt
    works fine for anything I have....
    That was something I had to get used to: normally I write with the
    first word of the sentence capitalized so sometimes was carried over to the command entry. As you noted, doesn't matter for (MS-)DOS; sure
    does for Linux!

    So Richard warned me, in my occasional forays into Linux... but not
    something I worry about in dos.... :)

    The other is if no extention won't find (obviously) but Linux probably
    won't have a problem with figuring out it's a text file (unlike some
    other operating system). First may help find your file, second one
    won't.
    My files are all in 8.3 format, sometimes with creative extensions...
    DOS and my editor can tell when something is actually a text file,
    too...
    Good on that! I had taught Windows the 'BJM extension' (.BJM) was a
    text file: my initials and something as a way to quickly find my notes
    or comments. Windows needed to be told and placed in the table; Linux just knew.

    Another strike against Windows.... ;)

    OK, since that was and wasn't helpful in ls finding a file with
    unknown case and Linux is very case sensitive (txt, TXT, tXt, TxT are
    four different files) did a little playing. ls itself does have a
    switch to ignore cases. grep does (-i), so "ls | grep -i txt" allows
    for case insensitivity. (Note not "*.txt".) ...You can do ".txt" to
    only list the extension hits.
    I'll try to remember that for if/when I switch to just Linux... so far
    I'm happily just using DOS for most of what I do.... and then, very
    occasionally, linux here or on one of Richard's machines, or Windows10
    on the touchscreen machine of Richard's that lets me do websites that
    lynx can't handle....
    Always handy to be aware of some of the tricks and tips. :) May not remember right off: there have been more than a few times I type in a half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.

    BTDT, too... That's what a "spell book" list is for... keeping track of
    the commands one doesn't quite remember... ;)

    As much as I prefer keyboarding I do tend to use the mouse to do a lot
    of commands, primarily because they are not consistent and so safer: I
    don't accidentally type the wrong key. ...OTOH I'm sort of in DOS
    mode thinking writing this and thinking EDIT is "Alt F S" to Save and
    "Alt F X" to exit (which will also prompt to save if the file has been
    changed).
    One has to be in a graphic interface for the mouse to be helpful,
    even potentially... ;) Mine's strictly text... <G>
    There have been those times I grab the mouse to move the cursor and
    the cursor just sits there!

    I'm not grabbing for the mouse.... just as well... <G>

    Friend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
    only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
    and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
    could go on the first floor for her but never did.
    My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
    under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
    sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
    My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
    recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
    I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
    eight or so, so small).
    I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's
    half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
    There are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom
    space!

    And there are times that that just isn't an option... when the only
    space available is barely large enough, and the only other choice is to
    not have anything at all (so just using a commode that needs dumping)...

    We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
    the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
    ...Get one of those pet stairways?!
    They do make assistive steps for people... I've seen them in
    catalogs... :)
    Hopefully for both sides! I can get in with the steps, holding on and
    pivot to get into the tub - now how do I get out?!
    You use a bench seat in the tub, and stand up, put your leg over to
    the outside, repeat with other leg.... Or, even without the steps on
    the outside, one could sit on the edge of the tub, swing legs in or
    out and then procede as above... ;)
    But the old tub's old and made of cast iron: it's c-c-cold!!!

    Oh, well... ;)

    As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!

    One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Tue Mar 31 10:29:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I've heard of such... dunno if I do have such on this computer, but
    things are pretty well organized anyway... there's only one directory
    it would have been in, and after "ls *.txt" failed to find it, I looked
    at the entire list... :) And then checked a few other directories
    just in case I'd moved it (highly unlikely, though)... "whereis" would
    have turned it up anywhere on the same drive D, but I didn't go quite
    that far.... ;) But those are only looking for the file names, not
    checking inside the files themselves...
    Two potential oversights with "ls *.txt": if capitalized won't find.
    I'm using some *nix commands in DOS... DOS isn't case-sensitive... in
    fact, it turns anything Capitalized into all lower case... so ls *.txt
    works fine for anything I have....
    That was something I had to get used to: normally I write with the
    first word of the sentence capitalized so sometimes was carried over to the command entry. As you noted, doesn't matter for (MS-)DOS; sure
    does for Linux!
    So Richard warned me, in my occasional forays into Linux... but
    not something I worry about in dos.... :)

    Right, just something to be aware of with Linux.


    The other is if no extention won't find (obviously) but Linux probably
    won't have a problem with figuring out it's a text file (unlike some
    other operating system). First may help find your file, second one
    won't.
    My files are all in 8.3 format, sometimes with creative extensions...
    DOS and my editor can tell when something is actually a text file,
    too...
    Good on that! I had taught Windows the 'BJM extension' (.BJM) was a
    text file: my initials and something as a way to quickly find my notes
    or comments. Windows needed to be told and placed in the table; Linux just knew.
    Another strike against Windows.... ;)

    <chuckle> Well, admittedly a little unconventional (but consider the
    source!) Linux reads some sort of a header inside the file and
    determines (and sometimes tries to guess) the file type. It also has a
    table where it can be told to use a certain utility to open/display a
    file with a specific header.


    OK, since that was and wasn't helpful in ls finding a file with
    unknown case and Linux is very case sensitive (txt, TXT, tXt, TxT are
    four different files) did a little playing. ls itself does have a
    switch to ignore cases. grep does (-i), so "ls | grep -i txt" allows
    for case insensitivity. (Note not "*.txt".) ...You can do ".txt" to
    only list the extension hits.
    I'll try to remember that for if/when I switch to just Linux... so far
    I'm happily just using DOS for most of what I do.... and then, very
    occasionally, linux here or on one of Richard's machines, or Windows10
    on the touchscreen machine of Richard's that lets me do websites that
    lynx can't handle....
    Always handy to be aware of some of the tricks and tips. :) May not remember right off: there have been more than a few times I type in a half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.
    BTDT, too... That's what a "spell book" list is for... keeping
    track of the commands one doesn't quite remember... ;)

    Why am I visualizing you in a bent-tipped witch's hat -- which doesn't
    go with that flowing back gown!

    Back in my learning DOS days I had a note card box with index cards with
    the 'incantations'; had intended to do the same when starting Linux.



    As much as I prefer keyboarding I do tend to use the mouse to do a lot
    of commands, primarily because they are not consistent and so safer: I
    don't accidentally type the wrong key. ...OTOH I'm sort of in DOS
    mode thinking writing this and thinking EDIT is "Alt F S" to Save and
    "Alt F X" to exit (which will also prompt to save if the file has been
    changed).
    One has to be in a graphic interface for the mouse to be helpful,
    even potentially... ;) Mine's strictly text... <G>
    There have been those times I grab the mouse to move the cursor and
    the cursor just sits there!
    I'm not grabbing for the mouse.... just as well... <G>

    It does tend to not do too much in DOS! I tend to use whichever is more convenient, and sometimes 'convenient' has the meaning of 'less errors'
    such as the for-certain to click on a window or field to make active as
    opposed to tabbing or arrowing through. Of course, as usual "all
    depends".


    Friend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
    only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
    and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
    could go on the first floor for her but never did.
    My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
    under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
    sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
    My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
    recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
    I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
    eight or so, so small).
    I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's
    half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
    There are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom
    space!
    And there are times that that just isn't an option... when the
    only space available is barely large enough, and the only other
    choice is to not have anything at all (so just using a commode
    that needs dumping)...

    Right: after-the-fact remodeling has to conform to existing spaces and structures.


    We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
    the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
    ...Get one of those pet stairways?!
    They do make assistive steps for people... I've seen them in
    catalogs... :)
    Hopefully for both sides! I can get in with the steps, holding on and
    pivot to get into the tub - now how do I get out?!
    You use a bench seat in the tub, and stand up, put your leg over to
    the outside, repeat with other leg.... Or, even without the steps on
    the outside, one could sit on the edge of the tub, swing legs in or
    out and then procede as above... ;)
    But the old tub's old and made of cast iron: it's c-c-cold!!!
    Oh, well... ;)

    "Suck it up buttercup"?!


    As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
    One could really use those assistive steps on the outside
    there... :)

    Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above floor
    level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Apr 8 22:40:10 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 31-Mar-2020 10:29 <=-

    My files are all in 8.3 format, sometimes with creative extensions...
    DOS and my editor can tell when something is actually a text file,
    too...
    Good on that! I had taught Windows the 'BJM extension' (.BJM) was a
    text file: my initials and something as a way to quickly find my notes
    or comments. Windows needed to be told and placed in the table; Linux
    just knew.
    Another strike against Windows.... ;)
    <chuckle> Well, admittedly a little unconventional (but consider the source!) Linux reads some sort of a header inside the file and
    determines (and sometimes tries to guess) the file type. It also has
    a table where it can be told to use a certain utility to open/display a file with a specific header.

    Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),
    I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
    I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>

    I'll try to remember that for if/when I switch to just Linux... so far
    I'm happily just using DOS for most of what I do.... and then, very
    occasionally, linux here or on one of Richard's machines, or Windows10
    on the touchscreen machine of Richard's that lets me do websites that
    lynx can't handle....
    Always handy to be aware of some of the tricks and tips. :) May not
    remember right off: there have been more than a few times I type in a
    half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.
    BTDT, too... That's what a "spell book" list is for... keeping track
    of the commands one doesn't quite remember... ;)
    Why am I visualizing you in a bent-tipped witch's hat -- which doesn't
    go with that flowing back gown!

    Dunno... must just be that vivid imagination of yours... <G> I'm not a
    witch, just a sorcerer's apprentice, remember....? ;)

    Back in my learning DOS days I had a note card box with index cards
    with the 'incantations'; had intended to do the same when starting
    Linux.

    And then you found yourself just using the spells anyway....? ;)

    As much as I prefer keyboarding I do tend to use the mouse to do a lot
    of commands, primarily because they are not consistent and so safer: I
    don't accidentally type the wrong key. ...OTOH I'm sort of in DOS
    mode thinking writing this and thinking EDIT is "Alt F S" to Save and
    "Alt F X" to exit (which will also prompt to save if the file has been
    changed).
    One has to be in a graphic interface for the mouse to be helpful,
    even potentially... ;) Mine's strictly text... <G>
    There have been those times I grab the mouse to move the cursor and
    the cursor just sits there!
    I'm not grabbing for the mouse.... just as well... <G>
    It does tend to not do too much in DOS! I tend to use whichever is
    more convenient, and sometimes 'convenient' has the meaning of 'less errors' such as the for-certain to click on a window or field to make active as opposed to tabbing or arrowing through. Of course, as usual "all depends".

    Definitely all depends.... ;) My "for-certain" clicking would likely
    misfire anyway.... <G>

    My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
    under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
    sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
    My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
    recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
    I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
    eight or so, so small).
    I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's
    half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
    There are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom
    space!
    And there are times that that just isn't an option... when the only
    space available is barely large enough, and the only other choice is
    to not have anything at all (so just using a commode that needs
    dumping)...
    Right: after-the-fact remodeling has to conform to existing spaces and structures.

    Precisely... I wouldn't be surprised if that tiny half-bath at your
    uncle's wasn't also a retrofit... :)

    As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the
    hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch
    rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the
    tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
    One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)
    Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
    floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.

    Maybe they have longer legs there... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Apr 9 08:12:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    My files are all in 8.3 format, sometimes with creative extensions...
    DOS and my editor can tell when something is actually a text file,
    too...
    Good on that! I had taught Windows the 'BJM extension' (.BJM) was a
    text file: my initials and something as a way to quickly find my notes
    or comments. Windows needed to be told and placed in the table; Linux
    just knew.
    Another strike against Windows.... ;)
    <chuckle> Well, admittedly a little unconventional (but consider the source!) Linux reads some sort of a header inside the file and
    determines (and sometimes tries to guess) the file type. It also has
    a table where it can be told to use a certain utility to open/display a file with a specific header.
    Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix
    commands), I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over
    windows... of course, I'm also prejudiced against windows
    anyway.... <G>

    It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an 'alternative' operating system.


    half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.
    BTDT, too... That's what a "spell book" list is for... keeping track
    of the commands one doesn't quite remember... ;)
    Why am I visualizing you in a bent-tipped witch's hat -- which doesn't
    go with that flowing black gown!
    Dunno... must just be that vivid imagination of yours... <G> I'm
    not a witch, just a sorcerer's apprentice, remember....? ;)

    Sure, sure: that's what they all say! <gggg>


    Back in my learning DOS days I had a note card box with index cards
    with the 'incantations'; had intended to do the same when starting
    Linux.
    And then you found yourself just using the spells anyway....? ;)

    Sometimes had to! Where is (so 'find'); how much room left (so df) -- <sputter> whaaat?? <stir spell cauldron a little> df -h -- much
    better!!

    barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook

    barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook



    My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
    under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
    sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
    My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
    recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
    I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
    eight or so, so small).
    I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's
    half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
    There are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom
    space!
    And there are times that that just isn't an option... when the only
    space available is barely large enough, and the only other choice is
    to not have anything at all (so just using a commode that needs
    dumping)...
    Right: after-the-fact remodeling has to conform to existing spaces and structures.
    Precisely... I wouldn't be surprised if that tiny half-bath at
    your uncle's wasn't also a retrofit... :)

    Quite probable: I remember it was older and seems like a room or two had
    been added on by a previous owner.


    As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the
    hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch
    rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the
    tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
    One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)
    Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
    floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
    Maybe they have longer legs there... <G>

    <chuckle> Well my Mother did note the younger people were taller than
    the older (in general) ==> possibly better nutrition.


    ... People who hate cats will come back as mice in their next
    life.

    Think they'll learn?!


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sun Feb 23 10:31:00 2020
    Nancy,

    Thankfully we don't have quite as hazardous weather here.... But I do NB>sometimes have days that are just too busy to do any more than just log NB>on for a quick grab packets for later....

    Some days, I don't even logon. I update the ham radio and weather data thorugh external batchfiles, and that's it.

    ... Behind every good computer - is a jumble of cables!

    That's the ONLY good rats nest I want to be around.

    Not likely to be produicing live varmints....

    In that case, correct.

    ... Hypochondriac's Epitaph: I told you that I was sick.

    I used to work with a girl who must've been a hypochondriac.

    Daryl


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sun Apr 19 16:50:22 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 09-Apr-2020 08:12 <=-

    Another strike against Windows.... ;)
    <chuckle> Well, admittedly a little unconventional (but consider the
    source!) Linux reads some sort of a header inside the file and
    determines (and sometimes tries to guess) the file type. It also has
    a table where it can be told to use a certain utility to open/display a
    file with a specific header.
    Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),
    I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
    I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>
    It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an 'alternative' operating system.

    And even a significant subset of the others get that way once they get
    some experience with another OS... ;)

    half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.
    BTDT, too... That's what a "spell book" list is for... keeping track
    of the commands one doesn't quite remember... ;)
    Back in my learning DOS days I had a note card box with index cards
    with the 'incantations'; had intended to do the same when starting
    Linux.
    And then you found yourself just using the spells anyway....? ;)
    Sometimes had to! Where is (so 'find'); how much room left (so df) -- <sputter> whaaat?? <stir spell cauldron a little> df -h -- much better!!
    barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook

    Both gave the same info, just in a slightly different form... :)

    My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
    under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
    sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
    My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
    recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
    I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
    eight or so, so small).
    I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's
    half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
    There are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom
    space!
    And there are times that that just isn't an option... when the only
    space available is barely large enough, and the only other choice is
    to not have anything at all (so just using a commode that needs
    dumping)...
    Right: after-the-fact remodeling has to conform to existing spaces and
    structures.
    Precisely... I wouldn't be surprised if that tiny half-bath at your
    uncle's wasn't also a retrofit... :)
    Quite probable: I remember it was older and seems like a room or two
    had been added on by a previous owner.

    So you'd need to modify your statement that some things one just should
    not skimp on, like bathroom space, to add, "as long as one can do so"...

    As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the
    hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch
    rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the
    tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
    One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)
    Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
    floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet
    wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
    Maybe they have longer legs there... <G>
    <chuckle> Well my Mother did note the younger people were taller than
    the older (in general) ==> possibly better nutrition.

    Now, if your Aunt had noted that, it might explain things better... ;)

    ... People who hate cats will come back as mice in their next
    life.
    Think they'll learn?!

    I doubt it.... ;0

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Mon Apr 20 10:35:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Another strike against Windows.... ;)
    <chuckle> Well, admittedly a little unconventional (but consider the
    source!) Linux reads some sort of a header inside the file and
    determines (and sometimes tries to guess) the file type. It also has
    a table where it can be told to use a certain utility to open/display a
    file with a specific header.
    Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),
    I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
    I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>
    It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an 'alternative' operating system.
    And even a significant subset of the others get that way once
    they get some experience with another OS... ;)

    Or even another version of Windows. I have been playing with computers
    since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes - some
    upgrades, some IMO downgrades. At the store only had what Corporate
    gave us to use -- we'll just say Corporate was not at all generous. It
    was sometimes easier and more efficient to do work at home.


    half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.
    BTDT, too... That's what a "spell book" list is for... keeping track
    of the commands one doesn't quite remember... ;)
    Back in my learning DOS days I had a note card box with index cards
    with the 'incantations'; had intended to do the same when starting
    Linux.
    And then you found yourself just using the spells anyway....? ;)
    Sometimes had to! Where is (so 'find'); how much room left (so df) -- <sputter> whaaat?? <stir spell cauldron a little> df -h -- much better!!
    barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook
    Both gave the same info, just in a slightly different form... :)

    Right. The 'df' version is probably more accurate but the 'df -h'
    version has more meaning to me.



    My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
    under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
    sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
    My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
    recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
    I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
    eight or so, so small).
    I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's
    half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
    There are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom
    space!
    And there are times that that just isn't an option... when the only
    space available is barely large enough, and the only other choice is
    to not have anything at all (so just using a commode that needs
    dumping)...
    Right: after-the-fact remodeling has to conform to existing spaces and
    structures.
    Precisely... I wouldn't be surprised if that tiny half-bath at your
    uncle's wasn't also a retrofit... :)
    Quite probable: I remember it was older and seems like a room or two
    had been added on by a previous owner.
    So you'd need to modify your statement that some things one just
    should not skimp on, like bathroom space, to add, "as long as one
    can do so"...

    Agree.


    As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the
    hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch
    rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the
    tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
    One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)
    Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
    floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet
    wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
    Maybe they have longer legs there... <G>
    <chuckle> Well my Mother did note the younger people were taller than
    the older (in general) ==> possibly better nutrition.
    Now, if your Aunt had noted that, it might explain things
    better... ;)

    She did agree after it was pointed out. OTOH not all of the younger
    people were tall nor all of the older people short.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Wed Apr 22 18:48:56 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 23-Feb-2020 10:31 <=-

    Thankfully we don't have quite as hazardous weather here.... But I do
    sometimes have days that are just too busy to do any more than just log
    on for a quick grab packets for later....

    Some days, I don't even logon. I update the ham radio and weather
    data thorugh external batchfiles, and that's it.

    Only time I don't log on at all is when I'm away without access, or so
    sick I can't get out of bed... the former happens far more often than
    the latter.... :)

    * OLX 1.53 * Classical Gas: A Mozart Fart.

    Barry said I should save the tagline below for you.... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... Farts are just the ghosts of things we ate.

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Thu Apr 23 11:36:00 2020
    Nancy,

    * OLX 1.53 * Classical Gas: A Mozart Fart.

    Barry said I should save the tagline below for you.... ;)

    ... Farts are just the ghosts of things we ate.

    They did a study, noting that "Everyone farts...some from as little as
    15 times a day, to as much as 20 times an hour" -- our tax dollars at
    work.

    Rumor has it they were going to do a study on second hand flatulence,
    but couldn't get any volunteers. However, with the "Glitter Bomb 2" on
    YouTube, version 2 of the fart spray was very nasty....even the little
    kids knew what it was!! :P

    The original Glitter Bomb was rigged up by a former project designer
    at NASA...after someone stole a package off his front porch, and it was
    caught on camera. When the police wouldn't do anything about it, he
    decided "revenge is a dish best served cold".

    So, he and a friend built this "glitter bomb". Inside the box, was
    this device with 4 hidden cellphones and cameras, that were activated by
    a motion sensor...to record the "victims reactions". When they opened
    the box, they were sprayed with this "sticky glitter", then 5 quick
    bursts of "fart spray" came out...doing it again every 30 seconds. The
    units also had GPS tracking, so the builder could find the units
    (usually discarded) afterwards)...which he recycled. The outside of the
    box had stuff from the movie "Home Alone", and if the thief had looked
    at the address label, he would've expected something was up.

    On version 2, there was a contact number for "a delivery error". If
    the person didn't open the box, but called the number, the builder
    showed up, and thanked them for their honesty with $400 cash.

    Just do a search on YouTube for Glitter Bomb.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Apr 29 18:56:44 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 20-Apr-2020 10:35 <=-

    Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),
    I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
    I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>
    It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an
    'alternative' operating system.
    And even a significant subset of the others get that way once
    they get some experience with another OS... ;)
    Or even another version of Windows. I have been playing with
    computers since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes - some upgrades, some IMO downgrades.

    In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to FORTRAN
    when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly stayed clear
    of Windows of any sort... only using where necessary...

    At the store only had what Corporate gave us to use -- we'll just say Corporate was not at all generous. It was sometimes easier and more efficient to do work at home.

    I can understand that....

    barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook
    barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook
    Both gave the same info, just in a slightly different form... :)
    Right. The 'df' version is probably more accurate but the 'df -h'
    version has more meaning to me.

    Easier to parse when in the abbreviated form... ;)

    As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the
    hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch
    rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the
    tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
    One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)
    Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
    floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet
    wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
    Maybe they have longer legs there... <G>
    <chuckle> Well my Mother did note the younger people were taller than
    the older (in general) ==> possibly better nutrition.
    Now, if your Aunt had noted that, it might explain things better... ;)
    She did agree after it was pointed out. OTOH not all of the younger people were tall nor all of the older people short.

    Yup, that's where the explanation breaks down... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Thu Apr 30 20:05:32 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 23-Apr-2020 11:36 <=-

    ... Farts are just the ghosts of things we ate.

    They did a study, noting that "Everyone farts...some from as little
    as 15 times a day, to as much as 20 times an hour" -- our tax dollars
    at work.

    Was it a government study....? I'd've thought that would have been a
    college research project.... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... A lawyer got his client a suspended sentence...the client was hung.

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Apr 30 11:30:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),
    I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
    I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>
    It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an
    'alternative' operating system.
    And even a significant subset of the others get that way once
    they get some experience with another OS... ;)
    Or even another version of Windows. I have been playing with
    computers since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes - some upgrades, some IMO downgrades.
    In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to
    FORTRAN when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly
    stayed clear of Windows of any sort... only using where
    necessary...

    You're probably one of the few people in this country who can say that!



    barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook
    barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook
    Both gave the same info, just in a slightly different form... :)
    Right. The 'df' version is probably more accurate but the 'df -h'
    version has more meaning to me.
    Easier to parse when in the abbreviated form... ;)

    For me something much easier to understand, plus I don't need the super-accuracy down to the last byte.


    As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the
    hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch
    rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into
    the BM>>>> tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an
    extra foot!
    One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)
    Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
    floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet
    wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
    Maybe they have longer legs there... <G>
    <chuckle> Well my Mother did note the younger people were taller than
    the older (in general) ==> possibly better nutrition.
    Now, if your Aunt had noted that, it might explain things better... ;)
    She did agree after it was pointed out. OTOH not all of the younger people were tall nor all of the older people short.
    Yup, that's where the explanation breaks down... <G>

    And of course the taller-than-average people are going to stick out
    above the crowd, so are more notoiceable. And there have always been above-averaged height people.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed May 6 18:17:18 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 30-Apr-2020 11:30 <=-

    Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),
    I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
    I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>
    It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an
    'alternative' operating system.
    And even a significant subset of the others get that way once
    they get some experience with another OS... ;)
    Or even another version of Windows. I have been playing with
    computers since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes -
    some upgrades, some IMO downgrades.
    In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to FORTRAN
    when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly stayed clear
    of Windows of any sort... only using where necessary...
    You're probably one of the few people in this country who can say that!

    Which, the staying clear of Windows...? or the gap in the computer
    usage, or the exposure to FORTRAN...? <G> Or the total combination... ;)

    barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook
    barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook
    Both gave the same info, just in a slightly different form... :)
    Right. The 'df' version is probably more accurate but the 'df -h'
    version has more meaning to me.
    Easier to parse when in the abbreviated form... ;)
    For me something much easier to understand, plus I don't need the super-accuracy down to the last byte.

    Since I usually see it in the byte form rather than the T and G form
    (Mine would be only meg and possibly gig anyway), I just glance at it,
    see that 29 less 7 is 22, so it makes sense, and mostly ignore it
    otherwise... ;) What's most important is how much is left, especially
    when I'm starting to scrape the bottom... <G>

    Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
    floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet
    wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
    Maybe they have longer legs there... <G>
    <chuckle> Well my Mother did note the younger people were taller than
    the older (in general) ==> possibly better nutrition.
    Now, if your Aunt had noted that, it might explain things better... ;)
    She did agree after it was pointed out. OTOH not all of the younger
    people were tall nor all of the older people short.
    Yup, that's where the explanation breaks down... <G>
    And of course the taller-than-average people are going to stick out
    above the crowd, so are more noticeable. And there have always been above-averaged height people.

    Indeed. :)

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu May 7 12:37:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),
    I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
    I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>
    It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an
    'alternative' operating system.
    And even a significant subset of the others get that way once
    they get some experience with another OS... ;)
    Or even another version of Windows. I have been playing with
    computers since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes -
    some upgrades, some IMO downgrades.
    In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to FORTRAN
    when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly stayed clear
    of Windows of any sort... only using where necessary...
    You're probably one of the few people in this country who can say that!
    Which, the staying clear of Windows...? or the gap in the
    computer usage, or the exposure to FORTRAN...? <G> Or the total combination... ;)

    I was thinking Windows. ...And then I could just see a computer geek
    T-shirt with "I'm been exposed to FORTRAN" emblazoned across the front, especially now!!


    barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook
    barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
    Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook
    Both gave the same info, just in a slightly different form... :)
    Right. The 'df' version is probably more accurate but the 'df -h'
    version has more meaning to me.
    Easier to parse when in the abbreviated form... ;)
    For me something much easier to understand, plus I don't need the super-accuracy down to the last byte.
    Since I usually see it in the byte form rather than the T and G
    form (Mine would be only meg and possibly gig anyway), I just
    glance at it, see that 29 less 7 is 22, so it makes sense, and
    mostly ignore it otherwise... ;) What's most important is how
    much is left, especially when I'm starting to scrape the
    bottom... <G>

    Yes on the 'how much room is left' part. It used to be with Windows one
    would want to defragment the hard drive every so often, so put all the
    pieces of the file back together to speed the system up. Don't know if
    that is still recommended; never had to do with Ubuntu. Anyway, the
    less free space there was the longer and less efficient the
    defragmenting became.



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed May 13 22:38:20 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 07-May-2020 12:37 <=-

    And even a significant subset of the others get that way once
    they get some experience with another OS... ;)
    Or even another version of Windows. I have been playing with
    computers since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes -
    some upgrades, some IMO downgrades.
    In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to FORTRAN
    when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly stayed clear
    of Windows of any sort... only using where necessary...
    You're probably one of the few people in this country who can say that!
    Which, the staying clear of Windows...? or the gap in the computer
    usage, or the exposure to FORTRAN...? <G> Or the total combination... ;)
    I was thinking Windows.

    As to avoiding Windows, that's what my guru taught me... Our first home computer was DOS... and the first thing he did when he got the pentium
    as an upgrade was to delete Windows95 and just have the underlying DOS
    be the operating system... well, actually, I guess he did leave Win95
    in the background to be called up if gui was needed for something.... ;)

    ...And then I could just see a computer geek T-shirt with "I'm been exposed to FORTRAN" emblazoned across the front, especially now!!

    That could be fun... ;) One would have to be hard-core computer geek,
    and/or of a certain age, to know what that was talking about... ;)

    Easier to parse when in the abbreviated form... ;)
    For me something much easier to understand, plus I don't need the
    super-accuracy down to the last byte.
    Since I usually see it in the byte form rather than the T and G form
    (mine would be only meg and possibly gig anyway), I just glance at
    it, see that 29 less 7 is 22, so it makes sense, and mostly ignore
    it otherwise... ;) What's most important is how much is left,
    especially when I'm starting to scrape the bottom... <G>
    Yes on the 'how much room is left' part. It used to be with Windows
    one would want to defragment the hard drive every so often, so put all
    the pieces of the file back together to speed the system up. Don't
    know if that is still recommended; never had to do with Ubuntu.
    Anyway, the less free space there was the longer and less efficient the defragmenting became.

    I've done that many a time with DOS, for the same reason... and yes, one
    really doesn't want to wait until it was really tight... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu May 14 12:34:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    And even a significant subset of the others get that way once
    they get some experience with another OS... ;)
    Or even another version of Windows. I have been playing with
    computers since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes -
    some upgrades, some IMO downgrades.
    In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to FORTRAN
    when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly stayed clear
    of Windows of any sort... only using where necessary...
    You're probably one of the few people in this country who can say that!
    Which, the staying clear of Windows...? or the gap in the computer
    usage, or the exposure to FORTRAN...? <G> Or the total combination... ;)
    I was thinking Windows.
    As to avoiding Windows, that's what my guru taught me... Our
    first home computer was DOS... and the first thing he did when he
    got the pentium as an upgrade was to delete Windows95 and just
    have the underlying DOS be the operating system... well,
    actually, I guess he did leave Win95 in the background to be
    called up if gui was needed for something.... ;)

    There are some things and applications where Windows is a necessity. A
    while back I had a problem with some thumbdrives - not an off-brand --
    and the repair required Windows - not aven an inkling of a consideration
    for Mac much less Linux. IMO a bit short-sighted.


    ...And then I could just see a computer geek T-shirt with "I'm been exposed to FORTRAN" emblazoned across the front, especially now!!
    That could be fun... ;) One would have to be hard-core computer
    geek, and/or of a certain age, to know what that was talking
    about... ;)

    Like going into a back surgeon's office with a t-shirt saying "I have a
    floppy disk". (If they're good they'll notice the spelling.)


    Easier to parse when in the abbreviated form... ;)
    For me something much easier to understand, plus I don't need the
    super-accuracy down to the last byte.
    Since I usually see it in the byte form rather than the T and G form
    (mine would be only meg and possibly gig anyway), I just glance at
    it, see that 29 less 7 is 22, so it makes sense, and mostly ignore
    it otherwise... ;) What's most important is how much is left,
    especially when I'm starting to scrape the bottom... <G>
    Yes on the 'how much room is left' part. It used to be with Windows
    one would want to defragment the hard drive every so often, so put all
    the pieces of the file back together to speed the system up. Don't
    know if that is still recommended; never had to do with Ubuntu.
    Anyway, the less free space there was the longer and less efficient the defragmenting became.
    I've done that many a time with DOS, for the same reason... and
    yes, one really doesn't want to wait until it was really tight... <G>

    In my DOS Days I used to edit saved files to keep within the 2048 byte
    cluster size -- don't know if was worth the work but was a good review
    of the material!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat May 23 23:51:30 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 14-May-2020 12:34 <=-

    In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to FORTRAN
    when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly stayed clear
    of Windows of any sort... only using where necessary...
    You're probably one of the few people in this country who can say that!
    Which, the staying clear of Windows...? or the gap in the computer
    usage, or the exposure to FORTRAN...? <G> Or the total combination... ;)
    I was thinking Windows.
    As to avoiding Windows, that's what my guru taught me... Our first home
    computer was DOS... and the first thing he did when he got the pentium
    as an upgrade was to delete Windows95 and just have the underlying DOS
    be the operating system... well, actually, I guess he did leave Win95
    in the background to be called up if gui was needed for something... ;)
    There are some things and applications where Windows is a necessity.

    Agreed, reluctantly... ;) And that's partly why Richard has a selection
    of computers of his own... some with Linux, some with DOS, some with
    Windows, depending on what he needs/wants....

    A while back I had a problem with some thumbdrives - not an off-brand
    -- and the repair required Windows - not even an inkling of a consideration for Mac much less Linux. IMO a bit short-sighted.

    One could say that... :)

    ...And then I could just see a computer geek T-shirt with "I'm been
    exposed to FORTRAN" emblazoned across the front, especially now!!
    That could be fun... ;) One would have to be hard-core computer
    geek, and/or of a certain age, to know what that was talking
    about... ;)
    Like going into a back surgeon's office with a t-shirt saying "I have
    a floppy disk". (If they're good they'll notice the spelling.)

    One would hope.... <G>

    What's most important is how much is left, especially when I'm
    starting to scrape the bottom... <G>
    Yes on the 'how much room is left' part. It used to be with Windows
    one would want to defragment the hard drive every so often, so put all
    the pieces of the file back together to speed the system up. Don't
    know if that is still recommended; never had to do with Ubuntu.
    Anyway, the less free space there was the longer and less efficient the
    defragmenting became.
    I've done that many a time with DOS, for the same reason... and yes,
    one really doesn't want to wait until it was really tight... <G>
    In my DOS Days I used to edit saved files to keep within the 2048 byte cluster size -- don't know if was worth the work but was a good review
    of the material!

    If things tended to always be tight, it might have been worth the
    work... Of course nowadays, the basic cluster size is a lot larger than
    that, so you end up wasting space with those smaller files... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Jun 4 19:06:26 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 24-May-2020 08:56 <=-

    As to avoiding Windows, that's what my guru taught me... Our first home
    computer was DOS... and the first thing he did when he got the pentium
    as an upgrade was to delete Windows95 and just have the underlying DOS
    be the operating system... well, actually, I guess he did leave Win95
    in the background to be called up if gui was needed for something... ;)
    There are some things and applications where Windows is a necessity.
    Agreed, reluctantly... ;) And that's partly why Richard has a
    selection of computers of his own... some with Linux, some with DOS,
    some with Windows, depending on what he needs/wants....
    I'm sort of visualizing someone browsing in front of a collection of computers like one would browse a magazine rack!

    Not quite.... ;) But he does have them all around him as he sits at his computer desk.... most are some sort of laptop.... :)

    A while back I had a problem with some thumbdrives - not an off-brand
    -- and the repair required Windows - not even an inkling of a
    consideration for Mac much less Linux. IMO a bit short-sighted.
    One could say that... :)
    I'll admit to barely having an idea of the work to create a repair
    utility -- I know it's a lot of work! Seems like it is something that should have been done by now but for whatever reason hasn't. Know I'm
    not the only one who has screwed up thumbdrives; I'm probably like
    99.9% of those who have who has no idea how to create a repair utility
    and so relies on that 0.1%.

    Richard might be able to do it.... but I don't know if he has, or if
    he'd want to.... :)

    What's most important is how much is left, especially when I'm
    starting to scrape the bottom... <G>
    Yes on the 'how much room is left' part. It used to be with Windows
    one would want to defragment the hard drive every so often, so put all
    the pieces of the file back together to speed the system up. Don't
    know if that is still recommended; never had to do with Ubuntu.
    Anyway, the less free space there was the longer and less efficient the
    defragmenting became.
    I've done that many a time with DOS, for the same reason... and yes,
    one really doesn't want to wait until it was really tight... <G>
    In my DOS Days I used to edit saved files to keep within the 2048 byte
    cluster size -- don't know if was worth the work but was a good review
    of the material!
    If things tended to always be tight, it might have been worth the
    work... Of course nowadays, the basic cluster size is a lot larger
    than that, so you end up wasting space with those smaller files... ;)
    Solved that problem with a 3 TB hard drive! ...414 GB (17%) used -- wellllll, maybe was a bit of overkill!

    Ummmm, yes..... I'd say so.... just a bit of overkill... <G> For now, anyway... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Nancy Backus on Sun May 31 19:28:00 2020
    Nancy,

    ... Farts are just the ghosts of things we ate.

    They did a study, noting that "Everyone farts...some from as little
    as 15 times a day, to as much as 20 times an hour" -- our tax dollars
    at work.

    Was it a government study....? I'd've thought that would have been a college research project.... ;)

    Probably served the participants chili dogs and pinto beans. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Fri Jun 12 16:09:56 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 31-May-2020 19:28 <=-

    ... Farts are just the ghosts of things we ate.
    They did a study, noting that "Everyone farts...some from as little
    as 15 times a day, to as much as 20 times an hour" -- our tax dollars
    at work.
    Was it a government study....? I'd've thought that would have been a
    college research project.... ;)

    Probably served the participants chili dogs and pinto beans. <G>

    That would certainly tend to skew the results... unless they had a
    control group served less potentially gas-producing foods...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jun 13 11:01:00 2020
    Nancy,

    Was it a government study....? I'd've thought that would have been a
    college research project.... ;)

    Probably served the participants chili dogs and pinto beans. <G>

    That would certainly tend to skew the results... unless they had a
    control group served less potentially gas-producing foods...

    A fellow ham radio operator mentioned a deal he called "spider barkings".
    I had no idea what that was, and he said "Beano takes care of it", and I
    went "Ahhhhh!!" <G>

    Nowadays, I'm afraid it's going to end up as the meme, where the baby's horrifed face notes "OMG!! That wasn't a fart!!" :P

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Daryl Stout on Thu Jun 18 21:49:54 2020
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 13-Jun-2020 11:01 <=-

    Was it a government study....? I'd've thought that would have been a
    college research project.... ;)
    Probably served the participants chili dogs and pinto beans. <G>
    That would certainly tend to skew the results... unless they had a
    control group served less potentially gas-producing foods...

    A fellow ham radio operator mentioned a deal he called "spider
    barkings". I had no idea what that was, and he said "Beano takes care
    of it", and I went "Ahhhhh!!" <G>

    I'd never heard of that way of refering to it before... :)

    Nowadays, I'm afraid it's going to end up as the meme, where the
    baby's horrifed face notes "OMG!! That wasn't a fart!!" :P

    Dunno.... as my cousin Esther has always said, "Better out than in!"....

    ttyl neb

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