From what I've seen here, the Amtrak seems to share the tracks with the NB>freight trains.... If stopped at tracks, could be for either one...
That would certainly make things take longer... does the same thing for NB>multiple leg airplane trips....
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 31-May-2019 16:20 <=-
From what I've seen here, the Amtrak seems to share the tracks with the
freight trains.... If stopped at tracks, could be for either one...
Correct. Outside of the northeast corridor and a few other areas,
Amtrak shares the tracks with host freight railroads.
The flooding has gotten so bad that all Amtrak service between St.
Louis and Fort Worth (including cities like Poplar Bluff, Little Rock, Texarkana, Longview, Mineola, and Dallas) has been suspended at least through June 7. Hopefully, the floodwaters will have receded by
September.
That would certainly make things take longer... does the same thing
for multiple leg airplane trips....
At least if the train is late, I have a bit of a cushion.
Plus, with the long layover time, it makes it "a guaranteed
connection". If it's missed, Amtrak will provide alternate
transportation on Amtrak, another carrier (bus or plane), or
overnight hotel accommodations, at their discretion.
I take it that the northeast corridor doesn't come as far west as
western NYS....?
Indeed.... and not just for the sake of your trip...
And that's also the case with an airplane trip... a long enough layover NB>pretty much guarantees that even if your first leg is running late, you NB>should be able to make your connection....
That's not a guaranteed with the airlines... But that is a very nice NB>setup for a train trip.... :)
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 05-Jun-2019 09:23 <=-
I take it that the northeast corridor doesn't come as far west as
western NYS....?
Correct. It mainly is with Boston, New York City, Washington, DC,
and Philadelphia. They advertise it as "high speed", but with station stops, etc. the average speed is only around 60 mph.
But, when I take the train, I can relax in the fact that "someone else
is doing the driving", and that "I'm on Terra Firma" if something
happens, and not "falling out of the sky".
Indeed.... and not just for the sake of your trip...
The Arkansas River is to crest later today at Little Rock at nearly
7 feet above flood stage. The Flood Warning shows it NOT going back
below flood stage until June 15...10 days from now...and that forecast could change with forecast rain upstream in Kansas and Oklahoma...along with rain and thunderstorms here later today into Sunday. When it
finally starts to dry out around here, I doubt many folks will complain...until they get high fire danger and burn bans. :P But, we
won't have to worry about water rationing for a good while!!
Amtrak does NOT recommend connections less than 90 minutes,
especially at hubs, and outside the Northeast Corridor. Connections
less than 30 minutes are NOT ticketed, EXCEPT with the passengers
written consent, and with the condition that Amtrak is NOT liable in
the event of a missed connection. Now, if a guaranteed connection (at least 2 hours) is missed, Amtrak will either provide alternate transportation on Amtrak, another carrier (bus or plane), or overnight hotel accommodations, at Amtrak's discretion.
That happened in me in June, 2001. My plan was to take the Texas
Eagle from Little Rock to Chicago...then connect to The Empire Bulder
at Chicago to go to Spokane, where the train split into a section for Seattle, and one for Portland...then connect to The Coast Starlight at Portland to go to Los Angeles...then connect to The Pacific Surfliner (formerly the San Diegans) to go to Anaheim, California (my
destination for the National Square Dance Convention that year). Except for the Pacific Surfliner, everything was via Sleeping Car
Roomette...for my privacy, and for my meals on board.
But, this day, the Texas Eagle was more than 2 hours late, so I
missed the connection at Chicago. So, Amtrak put me up for the night at the Radisson in Chicago, and got me out the next day on The Southwest Chief. I got to Los Angeles, and eventually Anaheim 12 hours earlier
than I would have otherwise.
On the return trip, going down to Dallas means I don't have to get
up at 2:30am to worry about getting off in Little Rock. I'll have a 3
1/2 hour layover in Dallas (if the train is on time) to meet some
fellow ham radio operators, before catching the northbound train back home...ending my out of state travel.
Total rail fare (including Sleeping Car and the Rail Runner) was $1480...more than 3 times LESS than the cost of the Generac Generator.
I may get that eventually...but wanted this trip more...and I don't
lose power that often.
Now, if flooding still exists, and the routes are cancelled, it's a
"force majeure" event...in which case, I'd be entitled to reschedule a trip, get an eVoucher for a future trip, or get a full refund.
Normally, there's a penalty for a refund, but no such penalty exists because of "a service disruption"...currently in effect between Fort
Worth and St. Louis, and that includes Little Rock. The reason is for
all the diverted freight traffic, due to other rail lines being flooded out.
OK... Not having taken the train, hadn't really read up on the NB>details... ;)
I've never been on a plane that had troubles... ;) Generally, though, I NB>tend to drive myself by car.... I don't mind driving... actually enjoy NB>being out on the open road... :)
It would be nice if, after the flooding recedes and things dry out some, NB>there would be a nice mixture of dry and wet weather... enough to keep NB>things from drought and burn bans, but not so much as to be flooding....
Sounds like Amtrak has a good handle on keeping things from getting out NB>of hand with connections.... :)
That worked out very well for you, then.... :)
That sounds like very good planning.... and a nice ending to your last NB>trip.... :)
And the trip is something that you'll have lots of good memories of... NB>the generator might be a useful thing when/if you lose power, but as you NB>say, that doesn't happen often... and you can probably save up for that, NB>to have when you are less able to deal with power outages...
Hopefully everything will be back to normal before your planned trip... NB>Good that you wouldn't be out the money, but you'd miss your convention, NB>and that wouldn't be so nice...
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 09-Jun-2019 18:42 <=-
OK... Not having taken the train, hadn't really read up on the
details... ;)
I prefer the train to flying. I'm more likely to get groped at the
airport than at the train station.
I've never been on a plane that had troubles... ;) Generally,
though, I tend to drive myself by car.... I don't mind driving...
actually enjoy being out on the open road... :)
It's hard for me to drive or ride for long distances. I signed up
for the Arkansas State Square Dance Federation Fall Festival in
Clinton, Arkansas in October. It's Interstate from Little Rock to
Conway, then US Highway 65 from Conway to Clinton. I may have to stop
in Conway to stretch my legs. If I were to continue up the route, I'd
go through Harrison, into Branson, Missouri.
It would be nice if, after the flooding recedes and things dry out
some, there would be a nice mixture of dry and wet weather... enough
to keep things from drought and burn bans, but not so much as to be
flooding....
Another chance of thunderstorms arrives next weekend...too early to
know the details on it.
That sounds like very good planning.... and a nice ending to your last
trip.... :)
Well, I'll be driving to and from Clinton, Arkansas in October for
the state square dance festival. That'll be my last long trip outside
of the Little Rock area.
And the trip is something that you'll have lots of good memories of...
the generator might be a useful thing when/if you lose power, but as
you say, that doesn't happen often... and you can probably save up for
that, to have when you are less able to deal with power outages...
It's rare I lose power here, and for that long. I think my place is
on a different circuit.
Hopefully everything will be back to normal before your planned
trip... Good that you wouldn't be out the money, but you'd miss your
convention, and that wouldn't be so nice...
That's true...but that's the way it goes sometimes.
I prefer the train to flying. I'm more likely to get groped at the airport than at the train station.
That may be... :)
How far is it to Clinton....? Is Conway about halfway...?
Looks like we'll be getting showers over the weekend... :)
One last fling... :)
Better at your mom's house than it was at your apartment, eh...?
True... but one can certainly hope for the best.... :)
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 17-Jun-2019 19:53 <=-
I got a special deal from the TSA to get me through the checkpoint quicker...and just updated the drivers license where I can "fly" and
get into the Federal Building (it's the enhanced identification now).
I had to order a birth certificate online, and the original hospital
and city where I was born are no longer in existence.
How far is it to Clinton....? Is Conway about halfway...?
According to MapQuest, it's about an hour north-northwest of Conway...which is about a half hour northwest of Little Rock...90
minutes in all. Basically, Interstate from Little Rock to Conway, and
US 65 from Conway to Clinton. There are only 2 motels for the
convention, as the town isn't that big. The one I chose was up a bit of
a hill, but at the base is a Baskin Robbins Ice Cream shop <drool!>.
I probably won't be doing much dancing. I did get a good deal on 6
XLT (3 extra large, big and tall) square dance shirts from Shepler's
for $20 each (on sale)). Since I'll only dance 2 to 3 times a month, that'll last me a bit between laundry. Besides, one can always get dancers...one can't always get workers.
True... but one can certainly hope for the best.... :)
I need that...and to get away from things for a few days.
Sounds like it was a bit of a hassle to get... but it's worthwhile to NB>have... I've got the enhanced license, and it was no hassle at all to NB>cross the Canadian/US border earlier this month when I picked up my son NB>at the Montreal Airport.... :)
a hill, but at the base is a Baskin Robbins Ice Cream shop <drool!>.
That sounds like a good reason to choose that one... :)
So you tend to be one of the workers...? They wear the shirts, too...?
I saw from the repostings of your messages that you are having to use NB>that money for hotels and such.... wouldn't you be able to get some help NB>from the insurance companies to cover that expense since it's directly NB>related to the storm damage....?
Hopefully you'll still be able to take your trip....
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 06-Jul-2019 10:08 <=-
Sounds like it was a bit of a hassle to get... but it's worthwhile to
have... I've got the enhanced license, and it was no hassle at all to
cross the Canadian/US border earlier this month when I picked up my
son at the Montreal Airport.... :)
I have no plans to travel outside the U.S. -- and may not travel
outside of central Arkansas anymore.
a hill, but at the base is a Baskin Robbins Ice Cream shop <drool!>.
That sounds like a good reason to choose that one... :)
I could go for a nice banana split about now. However, I was told by
a retired nurse that ice cream, iced tea, and related products, cause kidney stones. So, I may have to find something else to satisfy the
sweet tooth (Lemon Oreo Cookies are not what I had in mind). As for a beverage, I drink flavored water.
So you tend to be one of the workers...? They wear the shirts, too...?
Yep...and I prefer to work behind the scenes. Everyone wants the
glory, but no one wants the work. Or, 1% of the people do 99% of the
work.
I saw from the repostings of your messages that you are having to
use that money for hotels and such.... wouldn't you be able to get
some help from the insurance companies to cover that expense since
it's directly related to the storm damage....?
They paid for the replacement of the electric meter and the indoor
panel ($2500 each plus labor). I will be reimbursed for the permits ($250), but had to pay for the surge protection ($465). They won't pay
the hotel bill ($950) as "the structure was still livable, as it had running water and no other damage". I want to know how they consider
being inside a steam bath sauna of dangerous apparent temperatures
over 100 degrees as livable. To them, it's a catastrophe if they have
to pay the claim.
Hopefully you'll still be able to take your trip....
Unfortunately, the money I was planning for the train trip was eaten
up by 2 things...paying my Mom's $1900 income tax bill, and a $950
hotel bill.
I am debating on cancelling the trip to Clinton, Arkansas
in October, and just quit traveling outside of central Arkansas.
So all you'd need would be the federal ID sort of license....
I suspect that, as with things like gallstones and reflux and IBS, there's NB>a long list of potentially suspect things that may or not actually apply NB>in your case.... I know well that that is the way it's worked for me as NB>far as the first two of those.... :) A lot of potentially problematic NB>foods are perfectly fine for me, as it turned out.... :)
One could probably argue that with higher up.... but probably not really NB>worth the hassle, I suppose....
Oh.... that's a shame... I know how much you were looking forward to NB>that....
One last fling....? Maybe by then the financial situation won't be
quite so dire...?
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 13-Jul-2019 10:56 <=-
So all you'd need would be the federal ID sort of license....
I think so...it'd get me into the Federal Building in Little Rock,
and if I had to fly. Unless something changes, my travel days outside
of central Arkansas are over.
One could probably argue that with higher up.... but probably not
really worth the hassle, I suppose....
I only got $67 for the permits, and after all the aggravation, I
decided it was best to take the money and run. That'll pay my water
and trash bill for the month.
One last fling....? Maybe by then the financial situation won't be
quite so dire...?
I'm not optimistic...and haven't been for many years. Depression is becoming more and more of an issue for me...especially when I don't
have my hobbies of the BBS, ham radio, and square dancing, to provide
some distraction...but, even they aren't good distractors, anymore.
I think so...it'd get me into the Federal Building in Little Rock,
and if I had to fly. Unless something changes, my travel days outside of central Arkansas are over.
Things might change.... :)
Better than nothing... And sometimes the aggravation isn't worth NB>continuing....
At the moment you have a lot on your plate, and being in pain takes a
lot out of one... been there, know it quite well... Try to keep up with NB>the messages, at least you have a support system here in the echoes.. ;)
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 28-Jul-2019 19:51 <=-
I think so...it'd get me into the Federal Building in Little Rock,
and if I had to fly. Unless something changes, my travel days outside
of central Arkansas are over.
Things might change.... :)
I'm not optimistic. While I'll get some money after my Mom is gone,
I'm better served saving it to pay upcoming bills. It's too much of a hassle to go away from home anymore (security issues while you're
away, bedbugs at the hotels, etc.).
At the moment you have a lot on your plate, and being in pain takes
a lot out of one... been there, know it quite well... Try to keep
up with the messages, at least you have a support system here in
the echoes.. ;)
Plus, my hobbies of ham radio and square dancing are helping. Yet,
when there are thunderstorms, any computer or ham radio work goes by
the boards..and then, I just catch up on sleep.
I suppose one can find plenty of reasons to avoid travel... depends on NB>how much one wants to (or doesn't want to) travel... ;)
Sleep's a good thing too... <G>
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 03-Aug-2019 15:27 <=-
I suppose one can find plenty of reasons to avoid travel... depends
on how much one wants to (or doesn't want to) travel... ;)
I really would LOVE to travel...but right now, I have so much on my
plate (more than on Thanksgiving Day), that I can't. I nearly screwed
up big time at a ham radio license exam session this morning...putting
a wrong number on the answer sheet. I hadn't done an exam since June,
so I had gotten "rusty". Thankfully, a fellow VE pointed it out to me.
Two of the female VE's will take me to and from the hospital for the surgery...and I'll stay overnight.
Sleep's a good thing too... <G>
I like inspecting the inside of my eyelids. <G> I don't rest well at night...but drinking all I do (and the coolness at night) shrinks the urinary bladder, and you know what that means. :P
I've gotten so that if I get up early (I'm rarely up before 9am)
that I must have a nap in the afternoon...
and when I'm sedated for surgery, that's the ONLY time
I get good sleep.
It's good to have friends... :)
My body just seems to produce more urine at night.... at least I can NB>generally get up, take care of it, and go back to sleep... ;)
I'm often running about in the afternoon... no chance for a nap then...
At least you get to sleep then... <G>
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 08-Aug-2019 13:12 <=-
It's good to have friends... :)
These two ladies, who live together (they're not lesbians), are a
couple of "cards". They found this "critter" that we've dubbed the
mascot for our ham radio license exam team (they work with me on it),
and we've named him Zeigfried. He's holding a sign that notes "I am already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth"...reminding us as examiners to BE QUIET while the examinees are taking their tests.
My body just seems to produce more urine at night.... at least I can
generally get up, take care of it, and go back to sleep... ;)
Folger's got it wrong. The best part of waking up, is being able to
go back to sleep, after you get up to pee. <G>
Or, it's like the picture of the cat, who notes "Finally in bed!!"...
and the next picture, he's lamenting "I have to pee". <G>
I'm often running about in the afternoon... no chance for a nap then...
I've found if I don't get a nap, I get ornery...but some will say
I'm that way with a nap. <G> Yet, I've learned if I try to work with
the computer while I'm tired (let alone trying to drive), that's dangerous. This darn migraine sinus headache I've had since Sunday has been murder...it's nearly impossible to hold my eyes open.
At least you get to sleep then... <G>
Now, if I can just wake up afterwards without the catheter, and can
pee, I'll be happy. I think I've been passing small stone fragments
for a "split stream" at times...but, I'm hoping I can get the surgery
done on Monday. I'm drinking 2 liters of flavored water a day, and it's like I'm on Lasix.
mascot for our ham radio license exam team (they work with me on it), and we've named him Zeigfried. He's holding a sign that notes "I am already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth"...reminding us as examiners to BE QUIET while the examinees are taking their tests.
Cute... :)
Folger's got it wrong. The best part of waking up, is being able to
go back to sleep, after you get up to pee. <G>
Agreed. :)
Or, it's like the picture of the cat, who notes "Finally in bed!!"... and the next picture, he's lamenting "I have to pee". <G>
There are some nights that is a familiar scene...
Headaches certainly don't help at all.....
So your friends are able to get you to the hospital for the earlier
date, then...? That's good.... :) Living with stones (kidney or NB>gallbladder) isn't fun....
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 11-Aug-2019 11:32 <=-
mascot for our ham radio license exam team (they work with me on it),
and we've named him Zeigfried. He's holding a sign that notes "I am
already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth"...reminding us as
examiners to BE QUIET while the examinees are taking their tests.
Cute... :)
They said when they saw it, they felt "we just had to have it". <G>
Folger's got it wrong. The best part of waking up, is being able to
go back to sleep, after you get up to pee. <G>
Agreed. :)
If you have a UTI, and/or on Lasix, that makes it worse. :P
Headaches certainly don't help at all.....
Being the victim of 2 indirect lightning strikes and a severe
concussion over the years doesn't help matters, either.
I think they're also hereditary...my late father had them,
especially related to tension, but I think they're also prevalent if
your blood pressure is elevated. I'm on medication, and it tends to
keep it under control. It was 124 over 79 when I went to the
cardiologist for an EKG, and pre-surgery clearance. I discovered he had signed the form, but forgot to check "CLEARED". Then, it turned out
they never sent it, but I had a copy of it, and took it to Arkansas Urology instead.
So your friends are able to get you to the hospital for the earlier
date, then...? That's good.... :) Living with stones (kidney or
gallbladder) isn't fun....
Well, the original date they wanted to do the surgery was back on
July 22, but I had to be there at 5am...way before sunrise. I felt that was unfair to my friends, so I declined that date. The date is in the morning, August 12 (I'm typing this on August 11), and I have to be
there at 8am. Since the time is in the middle of morning rush hour, there's an alternate route we can take to avoid the majority of the traffic on one of the main roads in southwest Little Rock.
Besides nothing to eat or drink for me after 12 midnight tonight, I
have to be there 2 hours before the procedure to:
1) Fill out the paperwork (naturally), and make any insurance co-pays. Thank goodness for financial assistance!!
2) Get totally disrobed (naked), and put on that poor excuse for a hospital gown (apparently, it's a tongue in cheek graduation gown for
med school students -- and why it's called ICU (I See You -- meaning
your butt crack and cheeks in all their glory). :P
3) Get an IV started, and your vital signs checked.
4) Possibly get blood pressure medicine with a SMALL sip of water.
5) Consult with the surgeon and the anesthetist beforehand.
6) Get anti-nausea medicine with the IV beforehand (I've never done
well with anesthesia, and my blood pressure plunges under sedation).
I've got to update, and print up my 12 page med list today. It lists
all my doctors, surgeries, contact information, medications, etc. It basically is "everything you wanted to know about me medically, but
were afraid to ask".
They said when they saw it, they felt "we just had to have it". <G>
And obviously it has brought some nice humor into the situation... ;)
If you have a UTI, and/or on Lasix, that makes it worse. :P
Certainly might... And hopefully it isn't too far a "run" for the NB>facility... ;)
At least it finally went through....
Somehow I lost track of time (fancy that)... and thought that it had
been postponed to September... I almost remember now your telling us NB>those dates now.... ;)
All standard procedure... been there, done that... :)
That's a useful thing to have drawn up.... and I know that the staff NB>appreciate the effort... :)
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 17-Aug-2019 10:32 <=-
They said when they saw it, they felt "we just had to have it". <G>
And obviously it has brought some nice humor into the situation... ;)
I printed out a picture of the critter, and display it at the
session to the examiners to remind us to "keep it down to a low roar".
If you have a UTI, and/or on Lasix, that makes it worse. :P
Certainly might... And hopefully it isn't too far a "run" for the
facility... ;)
I finally got tired walking back and forth from the bed to the
toilet every 5 minutes...I decided to use the urinal bottle. After
calling the nurses every hour, they brought extra urinal bottles. :P
Somehow I lost track of time (fancy that)... and thought that it had
been postponed to September... I almost remember now your telling us
those dates now.... ;)
At least it's behind me now. With only one way out of the bladder, I didn't want it to be where I couldn't urinate...because that would
mean a 911 call for an ambulance to the ER.
That's a useful thing to have drawn up.... and I know that the staff
appreciate the effort... :)
One time, I thought the nurse would kiss me!! :) She said "this
makes it so much easier on us"!!
... Only listen to fortune cookie; disregard all other media.
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 24-Dec-2019 03:13 <=-
... Only listen to fortune cookie; disregard all other media.
So, if you get one that says "You will soon feel the effects of salmonella", you better call 911?? :P
... Only listen to fortune cookie; disregard all other media.
So, if you get one that says "You will soon feel the effects of salmonella", you better call 911?? :P
Never got that one.... I frequent higher class Chinese restaurants, I NB>guess... <G>
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 01-Jan-2020 00:45 <=-
... Only listen to fortune cookie; disregard all other media.
So, if you get one that says "You will soon feel the effects of
salmonella", you better call 911?? :P
Never got that one.... I frequent higher class Chinese restaurants,
I guess... <G>
Good thing. I have gotten sick after some meals, but thankfully,
that's rare.
We've got a nice assortment of really good inexpensive restaurants
around here that we go to... not likely to get sick from their food....
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 07-Jan-2020 00:40 <=-
We've got a nice assortment of really good inexpensive restaurants
around here that we go to... not likely to get sick from their food....
If there's a map to the nearby Emergency Room on the back of the
menu, I might want to ask to be excused. :P
... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 13-Jan-2020 02:12 <=-
... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.
That explains a lot. <g,d,r>
* OLX 1.53 * Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 13-Jan-2020 02:12 <=-
... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.
That explains a lot. <g,d,r>
Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it survived NB>to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if my computer NB>would let me) make most of those strange characters... :) But it is NB>cute... <G>
* OLX 1.53 * Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?
One doesn't want the cats to get too lazy... ;) If they want mouse NB>flavor, they have to catch the mouse... ;)
NANCY BACKUS wrote to DARYL STOUT <=-
... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.That explains a lot. <g,d,r>
Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
my computer would let me) make most of those strange
characters... :) But it is cute... <G>
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 21-Jan-2020 01:13 <=-
... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.
That explains a lot. <g,d,r>
Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if my
computer would let me) make most of those strange characters... :)
But it is cute... <G>
Well, I have the program set to do regular ASCII style taglines, as
in some echoes, and with some QWK readers, the high ASCII characters
tend to crash things.
* OLX 1.53 * Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?
One doesn't want the cats to get too lazy... ;) If they want mouse
flavor, they have to catch the mouse... ;)
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 21-Jan-2020 08:55 <=-
NANCY BACKUS wrote to DARYL STOUT <=-
... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.
That explains a lot. <g,d,r>
Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
my computer would let me) make most of those strange
characters... :) But it is cute... <G>
Clue: High or extended ASCII characters.
Well, I have the program set to do regular ASCII style taglines, as
in some echoes, and with some QWK readers, the high ASCII characters tend to crash things.
Possibly less survive now to be bothered by it...
NANCY BACKUS wrote to DARYL STOUT <=-
... Œ'm d ¤gŠr§s wh‰¤ ¡ k¤“w wh‘t Œ'm d§‹üg.
That explains a lot. <g,d,r>
Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly itClue: High or extended ASCII characters.
survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
my computer would let me) make most of those strange
characters... :) But it is cute... <G>
Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the
issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 29-Jan-2020 08:56 <=-
Well, I have the program set to do regular ASCII style taglines, as
in some echoes, and with some QWK readers, the high ASCII characters
tend to crash things.
Possibly less survive now to be bothered by it...
I was admonished by an echo moderator, to use FIDO style taglines in
my QWK Mail, as the high ascii characters were crashing some systems.
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 29-Jan-2020 08:42 <=-
Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
my computer would let me) make most of those strange
characters... :) But it is cute... <G>
Clue: High or extended ASCII characters.
Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is theYou've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor: WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.
issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
I was admonished by an echo moderator, to use FIDO style taglines in
my QWK Mail, as the high ascii characters were crashing some systems.
And how long ago was that...? Admittedly, it's safer not to take the NB>chance... and I don't indulge very often... but haven't received any NB>feedback that it was causing any problems anywhere...
Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
my computer would let me) make most of those strange
characters... :) But it is cute... <G>
Clue: High or extended ASCII characters.
Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is theYou've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor: WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.
issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of
what I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some
high/extended ASCII characters if I really do need to use them...
And I can make the degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
[pi]r^2 becomes
r^2 -- oops!
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 04-Feb-2020 22:34 <=-
I was admonished by an echo moderator, to use FIDO style taglines in
my QWK Mail, as the high ascii characters were crashing some systems.
And how long ago was that...? Admittedly, it's safer not to take the
chance... and I don't indulge very often... but haven't received any
feedback that it was causing any problems anywhere...
It was just a few months ago. Being that I wasn't the coordinator (I
might be of another message network soon...the one doing it doesn't
have time for it anymore), I played by the rules. The thing is, it'll
take a ton of work to change things up, and get things moved over...so,
it won't happen overnight.
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 04-Feb-2020 07:30 <=-
Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
my computer would let me) make most of those strange characters...
:) But it is cute... <G>
Clue: High or extended ASCII characters.
Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the
issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
You've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor:
WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.
I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what<applause!!> Same process and can create others.
I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the
degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
Though sometimes not-quite-as-expected results: the pi character
(ALT_227, or at least for the current mode) will create a <CR><LF> combination. (Carriage return --> back to Column 1, Line Feed -->
drop down one line.) So [pi]r^2 becomes
r^2 -- oops!
Congratulations (or should it be condolences? [g]) on your new NB>position... As to the admonishment, was it a Fido echo...? or some
other network...?
[pi]r^2 becomes
r^2 -- oops!
That's for those who think cornbread is round, and pie are
square. Actually, the opposite is true. <G>
Ah, but.... I only snagged that tagline... and surprisingly it
survived to be reused... :) I haven't a clue how to (or even if
my computer would let me) make most of those strange characters...
:) But it is cute... <G>
Clue: High or extended ASCII characters.
Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the
issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
You've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor:
WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.
I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what<applause!!> Same process and can create others.
I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the
degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
Though sometimes not-quite-as-expected results: the pi character
(ALT_227, or at least for the current mode) will create a <CR><LF> combination. (Carriage return --> back to Column 1, Line Feed -->
drop down one line.) So [pi]r^2 becomes
r^2 -- oops!
Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 09-Feb-2020 00:25 <=-
Congratulations (or should it be condolences? [g]) on your new
position... As to the admonishment, was it a Fido echo...? or some
other network...?
Maybe the latter. :P I had to remove DixieNet from the BBS, and if I
don't hear a reply back from him soon, I'm going to remove all my
connects and echoes from him. For that matter, he and one other Sysop sponsor several networks, but you rarely see them in the echoes.
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 09-Feb-2020 09:22 <=-
Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the
issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
You've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor:
WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.
I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what<applause!!> Same process and can create others.
I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the
degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø, ALT_155
is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively. Whatever key
combination gives you the degree symbol should give others, but of
course computers tend to like to show us humans who's boss, or at least not passively complying <g> and some keystrokes will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the body but in the tagline
will do a <CR><LF>.
Though sometimes not-quite-as-expected results: the pi character
(ALT_227, or at least for the current mode) will create a <CR><LF>
combination. (Carriage return --> back to Column 1, Line Feed -->
drop down one line.) So [pi]r^2 becomes
r^2 -- oops!
Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! <gg>
... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
Oh, I knew that.... It's the actual doing thereof that is the
issue... Not all of them are workable in my editor... :)
You've been taught well! You might want to try a different editor:
WordPad tends to do some things differently from NotePad.
I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what<applause!!> Same process and can create others.
I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the
degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø, ALT_155
is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively. Whatever key
« ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not
bound]' on the command line and beeps at me....
combination gives you the degree symbol should give others, but of
course computers tend to like to show us humans who's boss, or at least not passively complying <g> and some keystrokes will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the body but in the tagline
will do a <CR><LF>.
So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character...
but I deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF>
thingy....
Though sometimes not-quite-as-expected results: the pi character
(ALT_227, or at least for the current mode) will create a <CR><LF>
combination. (Carriage return --> back to Column 1, Line Feed -->
drop down one line.) So [pi]r^2 becomes
r^2 -- oops!
Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! <gg>
That's for sure... or if it is, it's AFTER she learned her lesson
not to be too curious... and released the last bit, Hope, to
mitigate things a bit... ;)
... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
A lot of things seem to run on auto-pilot now... networks, echoes, NB>bbses... but there also are still a number of still well-engaged people NB>in the hobby...
... Behind every good computer - is a jumble of cables!
... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night for
their bathroom stumbles... <G>
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 16-Feb-2020 10:06 <=-
I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what
I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the
degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
<applause!!> Same process and can create others.
I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø,
ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively.
« ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key notWell that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....)
bound]' on the command line and beeps at me....
The "not bound" error does sort of give a clue: somewhere that key combination isn't listed in the table to create a cents symbol. At
this point I couldn't guess where, and it's going to be a Wizard Job -- easy to do, just harder to find. Plus probably not worth it unless you were to use the symbol often.
Whatever key combination gives you the degree symbol should give
others, but of course computers tend to like to show us humans who's
boss, or at least not passively complying <g> and some keystrokes
will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the
body but in the tagline will do a <CR><LF>.
So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character...(Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.)
but I deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF> thingy....
As for removing the pi symbol, good idea! In taglines, or at least
in "DOS Mode Taglines" pi does get interpreted as <CR>LF>; as for
in the text/message body IIRC sometimes it does <CR><LF> and sometimes will, dependant display on the word processor. I think with WordPad
and Notepad one will display pi and one will not.
...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline:
printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays;
found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was
just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.
Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>
Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! <gg>
That's for sure... or if it is, it's AFTER she learned her lessonHope Hope is able to fix most of those problems!
not to be too curious... and released the last bit, Hope, to
mitigate things a bit... ;)
... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the nightObviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 17-Feb-2020 17:51 <=-
A lot of things seem to run on auto-pilot now... networks, echoes,
bbses... but there also are still a number of still well-engaged
people in the hobby...
I try to logon at least once a day...but if weather is bad, all bets
are off. The long range outlook calls for a very wet and stormy spring here. That could mean significant flooding, and a greater threat of tornadoes.
... Behind every good computer - is a jumble of cables!
That's the ONLY good rats nest I want to be around.
I'm using MicroEMACS 3.8b for DOS.... works just fine for most of what
I do... And I've been able to cut and paste some high/extended ASCII
characters if I really do need to use them... And I can make the
degree symbol.... ø See...? <G>
<applause!!> Same process and can create others.
I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø,
ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively.
« ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key notWell that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....)
bound]' on the command line and beeps at me....
Agreed. But that's the way it is....
The "not bound" error does sort of give a clue: somewhere that key combination isn't listed in the table to create a cents symbol. At
this point I couldn't guess where, and it's going to be a Wizard Job -- easy to do, just harder to find. Plus probably not worth it unless you were to use the symbol often.
I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and
if I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc
space] (mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and
then Ctrl-Y to copy it into the message at that point)... But I
can't directly make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in
this editor, just not the keystrokes to make it...
Whatever key combination gives you the degree symbol should give
others, but of course computers tend to like to show us humans who's
boss, or at least not passively complying <g> and some keystrokes
will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the
body but in the tagline will do a <CR><LF>.
So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character...(Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.)
but I deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF> thingy....
Yup, I was thinking the same thing....
As for removing the pi symbol, good idea! In taglines, or at least
in "DOS Mode Taglines" pi does get interpreted as <CR>LF>; as for
in the text/message body IIRC sometimes it does <CR><LF> and sometimes will, dependant display on the word processor. I think with WordPad
and Notepad one will display pi and one will not.
Mine seemed to display it as pi... but I didn't leave it in to
see what it would do when it was a finished reply in the
packet.... ;)
...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline:
printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays;
found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was
just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.
In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probably erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up
Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4
times.... so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead,
I'd quick do the Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... <G>
Ctrl-F does do a search in browse for me, I don't think it does
anything here in Emacs... :)
Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>
Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! <gg>
That's for sure... or if it is, it's AFTER she learned her lessonHope Hope is able to fix most of those problems!
not to be too curious... and released the last bit, Hope, to
mitigate things a bit... ;)
If I recall the myth properly, it at least made it so people
could survive despite all those ills unleashed upon the earth....
:)
... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the nightObviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 22-Feb-2020 09:34 <=-
I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø,
ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively.
« ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not
bound]' on the command line and beeps at me....
Well that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....)
Agreed. But that's the way it is....Or at least for now. And unless you need to use the cents symbol sufficiently often no real need to sweetly ask The Wizard to fix it.
The "not bound" error does sort of give a clue: somewhere that key
combination isn't listed in the table to create a cents symbol. At
this point I couldn't guess where, and it's going to be a Wizard Job --
easy to do, just harder to find. Plus probably not worth it unless you
were to use the symbol often.
I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and ifRight: I've done that also -- and sometimes easier to copy in than
I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc space]
(mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and then Ctrl-Y
to copy it into the message at that point)... But I can't directly
make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in this editor, just
not the keystrokes to make it...
find the character in the tables. OK, that's not phrased right: I have
a sheet with the unicode codes for frequently used characters; there is
an electronic version, so I could copy and paste the character instead
of using the unicode.
Whatever key combination gives you the degree symbol should give
others, but of course computers tend to like to show us humans who's
boss, or at least not passively complying <g> and some keystrokes
will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the
body but in the tagline will do a <CR><LF>.
So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character...
but I deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF> thingy....
(Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.)
Yup, I was thinking the same thing....That's where stuff starts getting convoluted and sometimes a hare confusing. :)
As for removing the pi symbol, good idea! In taglines, or at least
in "DOS Mode Taglines" pi does get interpreted as <CR>LF>; as for
in the text/message body IIRC sometimes it does <CR><LF> and sometimes
will, dependant display on the word processor. I think with WordPad
and Notepad one will display pi and one will not.
Mine seemed to display it as pi... but I didn't leave it in to seeMine also displays: just tested but deleted. IIRC some BBS software really gets upset when it sees a pi character in the text body.
what it would do when it was a finished reply in the packet.... ;)
...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline:
printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second
message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays;
found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was
just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.
In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probablyWhy there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up
Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4 times...
so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead, I'd quick do the
Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... <G> Ctrl-F does do a search
in browse for me, I don't think it does anything here in Emacs... :)
of software to another!
Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... <G>
Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! <gg>
That's for sure... or if it is, it's AFTER she learned her lesson
not to be too curious... and released the last bit, Hope, to
mitigate things a bit... ;)
Hope Hope is able to fix most of those problems!
If I recall the myth properly, it at least made it so people couldProbably right, especially with Hope coming out of the box, or I think
survive despite all those ills unleashed upon the earth.... :)
she was inside. It's been probably fifty-five years since I read
Greek mythology.
... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added
the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)
... How long a minute is depends on what side of bathroom door you're
on.
I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø,
ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively.
« ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not
bound]' on the command line and beeps at me....
Well that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....)
Agreed. But that's the way it is....Or at least for now. And unless you need to use the cents symbol sufficiently often no real need to sweetly ask The Wizard to fix it.
Pretty much there's not a lot of call for it... :)
The "not bound" error does sort of give a clue: somewhere that key
combination isn't listed in the table to create a cents symbol. At
this point I couldn't guess where, and it's going to be a Wizard Job --
easy to do, just harder to find. Plus probably not worth it unless you
were to use the symbol often.
I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and ifRight: I've done that also -- and sometimes easier to copy in than
I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc space]
(mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and then Ctrl-Y
to copy it into the message at that point)... But I can't directly
make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in this editor, just
not the keystrokes to make it...
find the character in the tables. OK, that's not phrased right: I have
a sheet with the unicode codes for frequently used characters; there is
an electronic version, so I could copy and paste the character instead
of using the unicode.
At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I could
access if needed... now I forget what I called it... <G> But
part of the problem is that I don't really need them all that
often...
Whatever key combination gives you the degree symbol should give
others, but of course computers tend to like to show us humans who's
boss, or at least not passively complying <g> and some keystrokes
will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the
body but in the tagline will do a <CR><LF>.
So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character...
but I deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF> thingy....
(Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.)
Yup, I was thinking the same thing....That's where stuff starts getting convoluted and sometimes a hare confusing. :)
Par for the course when it comes to computers... <G>
As for removing the pi symbol, good idea! In taglines, or at least
in "DOS Mode Taglines" pi does get interpreted as <CR>LF>; as for
in the text/message body IIRC sometimes it does <CR><LF> and sometimes
will, dependant display on the word processor. I think with WordPad
and Notepad one will display pi and one will not.
Mine seemed to display it as pi... but I didn't leave it in to seeMine also displays: just tested but deleted. IIRC some BBS software really gets upset when it sees a pi character in the text body.
what it would do when it was a finished reply in the packet.... ;)
No reason to take chances... :)
...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline:
printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second
message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays;
found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was
just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.
In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probablyWhy there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up
Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4 times...
so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead, I'd quick do the
Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... <G> Ctrl-F does do a search
in browse for me, I don't think it does anything here in Emacs... :)
of software to another!
Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the
other... :)
... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added
the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)
Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one
upstairs and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a
shower... both with toilet and sink...
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 27-Feb-2020 08:28 <=-
I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with
them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the
degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... <G>
Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø,
ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively.
« ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not
bound]' on the command line and beeps at me....
Well that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....)
Agreed. But that's the way it is....
Or at least for now. And unless you need to use the cents symbol
sufficiently often no real need to sweetly ask The Wizard to fix it.
Pretty much there's not a lot of call for it... :)Right: we've probably used the cents symbol more in the last couple of weeks than we did all last year!
...Did remind me: when working at
the store needed to create a sign on the Sign Machine. Let's say the price portion was 89›. Every one would have used 0.89 because that was the format on the template. I decided to try if ALT_155 would work -
yup! (Didn't tell the others I used a different template!)
I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and if
I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc space]
(mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and then Ctrl-Y
to copy it into the message at that point)... But I can't directly
make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in this editor, just
not the keystrokes to make it...
Right: I've done that also -- and sometimes easier to copy in than
find the character in the tables. OK, that's not phrased right: I have
a sheet with the unicode codes for frequently used characters; there is
an electronic version, so I could copy and paste the character instead
of using the unicode.
At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I couldBTDT!!
access if needed... now I forget what I called it... <G>
But part of the problem is that I don't really need them all thatProbably just recreate the text file including the symbols you
often...
currently use -- and when you save it as SYMBOLS.TXT you'll find that's what you called the original file!!
So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character...
but I deleted it just in case it also does the <CR><LF> thingy....
(Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.)
Yup, I was thinking the same thing....
That's where stuff starts getting convoluted and sometimes a hare
confusing. :)
Par for the course when it comes to computers... <G>On one hand it's all zero-and-one, yes-or-no, true-or-false. Then
flip the power switch and things start to get complicated!
...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline:
printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second
message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays;
found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was
just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.
In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probably
erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up
Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4 times...
so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead, I'd quick do the
Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... <G> Ctrl-F does do a search
in browse for me, I don't think it does anything here in Emacs... :)
Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
of software to another!
Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to theNope: as I indicated in other messages back when I was selling
other... :)
computers Apple had some sort of 'rule' in effect for their software
and for third- party vendors where certain keys always had the same function: F1 = Help, F9 = Volume Down, F10 = Volume Up (as examples,
don't know if accurate representations).
Tends to make sense as easier when switching from one piece of software
to another. OTOH for the basic functions makes sense but may become restrictive when one gets in to extended functions.
... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>
I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added
the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)
Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one upstairsThe reverse here, though part may be due to this house originally had
and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a shower... both
with toilet and sink...
just one bathroom. First floor had a tub only originally.
Had the dangle-hose thing to create a shower. Eventually switched to
an external (exposed) pipe ==> replace the spout with one with
diverter and add the shower head kit. (Oddly the shower pipe was a different diameter than the screw hole in the diverter - the plumbing
guy also couldn't believe it.) Eventually had the bathroom redone
and the plumbing redone to be inside the wall.
Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as
big as a tub would take if not a little larger.
...Did remind me: when working at
the store needed to create a sign on the Sign Machine. Let's say the price portion was 89›. Every one would have used 0.89 because that was the format on the template. I decided to try if ALT_155 would work -
yup! (Didn't tell the others I used a different template!)
Let them just be in awe of your superior knowledge... ;)
I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and if
I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc space]
(mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and then Ctrl-Y
to copy it into the message at that point)... But I can't directly
make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in this editor, just
not the keystrokes to make it...
Right: I've done that also -- and sometimes easier to copy in than
find the character in the tables. OK, that's not phrased right: I have
a sheet with the unicode codes for frequently used characters; there is
an electronic version, so I could copy and paste the character instead
of using the unicode.
At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I couldBTDT!!
access if needed... now I forget what I called it... <G>
But part of the problem is that I don't really need them all thatProbably just recreate the text file including the symbols you
often...
currently use -- and when you save it as SYMBOLS.TXT you'll find that's what you called the original file!!
Just dropped to dos and did a quick look... didn't find that
one... and did a bit of a lookaround and didn't find anything
likely at all... not a clue what I called it... maybe I decided I
didn't really need it and deleted it....
...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in
graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline:
printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second
message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays;
found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was
just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created.
In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probably
erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up
Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4 times...
so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead, I'd quick do the
Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... <G> Ctrl-F does do a search
in browse for me, I don't think it does anything here in Emacs... :)
Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
of software to another!
Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to theNope: as I indicated in other messages back when I was selling
other... :)
computers Apple had some sort of 'rule' in effect for their software
and for third- party vendors where certain keys always had the same function: F1 = Help, F9 = Volume Down, F10 = Volume Up (as examples,
don't know if accurate representations).
F1 is pretty standard for Help, across the board...
Tends to make sense as easier when switching from one piece of software
to another. OTOH for the basic functions makes sense but may become restrictive when one gets in to extended functions.
That's where one has f1 and F1, or more likely F1 and Shift-F1...
:) And gets another four from adding F11 and F12.... ;)
... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>
I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added
the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)
Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one upstairsThe reverse here, though part may be due to this house originally had
and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a shower... both
with toilet and sink...
just one bathroom. First floor had a tub only originally.
Ours had the upstairs bathroom first, and the downstairs was
added in the '50s (before our time) by taking over the pantry off
the kitchen... So the upstairs had the tub.... and there was only
room for a standup shower downstairs.... :)
Had the dangle-hose thing to create a shower. Eventually switched to
an external (exposed) pipe ==> replace the spout with one with
diverter and add the shower head kit. (Oddly the shower pipe was a different diameter than the screw hole in the diverter - the plumbing
guy also couldn't believe it.) Eventually had the bathroom redone
and the plumbing redone to be inside the wall.
We talked about doing something to turn the tub into a
tub/shower, but never did... it's one of those old clawfoot tubs,
so not all that conducive... :)
Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as
big as a tub would take if not a little larger.
Yours both sound more modern than either of ours... ;)
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 05-Mar-2020 11:51 <=-
...Did remind me: when working at
the store needed to create a sign on the Sign Machine. Let's say the
price portion was 89›. Every one would have used 0.89 because that was
the format on the template. I decided to try if ALT_155 would work -
yup! (Didn't tell the others I used a different template!)
Let them just be in awe of your superior knowledge... ;)<smile> And that's more or less useful! LIS some time back, there were times when they'd (management) assign me to walk with a repairman
because I knew where stuff was, or could figure stuff out.
At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I could
access if needed... now I forget what I called it... <G>
BTDT!!
But part of the problem is that I don't really need them all that
often...
Probably just recreate the text file including the symbols you
currently use -- and when you save it as SYMBOLS.TXT you'll find that's
what you called the original file!!
Just dropped to dos and did a quick look... didn't find that one...That's a possibility too - or accidentally got deleted with a purge session to make room on the hard drive. Unless you have some sort of indexing utility which looks in text files to build a search catalogue then you might never find it. (Think Google or Bing search engine but
and did a bit of a lookaround and didn't find anything likely at
all... not a clue what I called it... maybe I decided I didn't really
need it and deleted it....
for your personal computer.)
Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
of software to another!
Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the
other... :)
Nope: as I indicated in other messages back when I was selling
computers Apple had some sort of 'rule' in effect for their software
and for third-party vendors where certain keys always had the same
function: F1 = Help, F9 = Volume Down, F10 = Volume Up (as examples,
don't know if accurate representations).
F1 is pretty standard for Help, across the board...True; not the best example for randomized Function key assignments.
Tends to make sense as easier when switching from one piece of software
to another. OTOH for the basic functions makes sense but may become
restrictive when one gets in to extended functions.
That's where one has f1 and F1, or more likely F1 and Shift-F1... :)My first computer was a DEC Rainbow 100 and it had a shallow drawer
And gets another four from adding F11 and F12.... ;)
along the top, above the function keys (which I think went to F19),
with a clear cover. Many utilities came with a long strip of plastic
with the function of the function keys printed on it -- place in the
well. Sometimes needed a magnifying glass as the function keys not only has no-shift and shift_Function, but Ctrl_Fntn, Alt_Fntn, so at least
four rows of information on about a half-inch strip of plastic or cardboard.
... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>
I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added
the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)
Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one upstairs
and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a shower... both
with toilet and sink...
The reverse here, though part may be due to this house originally had
just one bathroom. First floor had a tub only originally.
Ours had the upstairs bathroom first, and the downstairs was added inFriend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
the '50s (before our time) by taking over the pantry off the kitchen..
So the upstairs had the tub.... and there was only room for a standup
shower downstairs.... :)
only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
could go on the first floor for her but never did.
Had the dangle-hose thing to create a shower. Eventually switched to
an external (exposed) pipe ==> replace the spout with one with
diverter and add the shower head kit. (Oddly the shower pipe was a
different diameter than the screw hole in the diverter - the plumbing
guy also couldn't believe it.) Eventually had the bathroom redone
and the plumbing redone to be inside the wall.
We talked about doing something to turn the tub into a tub/shower,IIRC the adapter we got was for adding a shower to a clawfoot or free- standing tub. Basically a long upside-down J pipe; LIS the pipe
but never did... it's one of those old clawfoot tubs, so not all that
conducive... :)
didn't connect directly/properly to our tub but it was a built-in tub,
so different hardware.
Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as
big as a tub would take if not a little larger.
Yours both sound more modern than either of ours... ;)We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
...Get one of those pet stairways?!
At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I could
access if needed... now I forget what I called it... <G>
BTDT!!
But part of the problem is that I don't really need them all that
often...
Probably just recreate the text file including the symbols you
currently use -- and when you save it as SYMBOLS.TXT you'll find that's
what you called the original file!!
Just dropped to dos and did a quick look... didn't find that one...That's a possibility too - or accidentally got deleted with a purge session to make room on the hard drive. Unless you have some sort of indexing utility which looks in text files to build a search catalogue then you might never find it. (Think Google or Bing search engine but
and did a bit of a lookaround and didn't find anything likely at
all... not a clue what I called it... maybe I decided I didn't really
need it and deleted it....
for your personal computer.)
I've heard of such... dunno if I do have such on this computer,
but things are pretty well organized anyway... there's only one
directory it would have been in, and after "ls *.txt" failed to
find it, I looked at the entire list... :) And then checked a
few other directories just in case I'd moved it (highly unlikely, though)... "whereis" would have turned it up anywhere on the
same drive D, but I didn't go quite that far.... ;) But those
are only looking for the file names, not checking inside the
files themselves...
Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
of software to another!
Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the
other... :)
Nope: as I indicated in other messages back when I was selling
computers Apple had some sort of 'rule' in effect for their software
and for third-party vendors where certain keys always had the same
function: F1 = Help, F9 = Volume Down, F10 = Volume Up (as examples,
don't know if accurate representations).
F1 is pretty standard for Help, across the board...True; not the best example for randomized Function key assignments.
The other two, though, do tend to be more specialized depending
on the software.... My genealogy program uses the F9 for
repeating an entry, F10 for accepting a screen... or finishing
and exiting the program, depending on where one is.... Emacs, f9
is save file, f10 is exit emacs....
Tends to make sense as easier when switching from one piece of software
to another. OTOH for the basic functions makes sense but may become
restrictive when one gets in to extended functions.
That's where one has f1 and F1, or more likely F1 and Shift-F1... :)My first computer was a DEC Rainbow 100 and it had a shallow drawer
And gets another four from adding F11 and F12.... ;)
along the top, above the function keys (which I think went to F19),
with a clear cover. Many utilities came with a long strip of plastic
with the function of the function keys printed on it -- place in the
well. Sometimes needed a magnifying glass as the function keys not only has no-shift and shift_Function, but Ctrl_Fntn, Alt_Fntn, so at least
four rows of information on about a half-inch strip of plastic or cardboard.
Now that's getting complicated.... ;)
... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom.
Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night
for their bathroom stumbles... <G>
Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50!
Or had more than one teenage child.... <G>
I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't
have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added
the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! <g>)
Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one upstairs
and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a shower... both
with toilet and sink...
The reverse here, though part may be due to this house originally had
just one bathroom. First floor had a tub only originally.
Ours had the upstairs bathroom first, and the downstairs was added inFriend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
the '50s (before our time) by taking over the pantry off the kitchen..
So the upstairs had the tub.... and there was only room for a standup
shower downstairs.... :)
only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
could go on the first floor for her but never did.
My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been
the under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet
and small sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was
built 1900....
Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as
big as a tub would take if not a little larger.
Yours both sound more modern than either of ours... ;)We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
...Get one of those pet stairways?!
They do make assistive steps for people... I've seen them in
catalogs... :)
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 11-Mar-2020 08:45 <=-
session to make room on the hard drive. Unless you have some sort of
indexing utility which looks in text files to build a search catalogue
then you might never find it. (Think Google or Bing search engine but
for your personal computer.)
I've heard of such... dunno if I do have such on this computer, butTwo potential oversights with "ls *.txt": if capitalized won't find.
things are pretty well organized anyway... there's only one directory
it would have been in, and after "ls *.txt" failed to find it, I looked
at the entire list... :) And then checked a few other directories
just in case I'd moved it (highly unlikely, though)... "whereis" would
have turned it up anywhere on the same drive D, but I didn't go quite
that far.... ;) But those are only looking for the file names, not
checking inside the files themselves...
The other is if no extention won't find (obviously) but Linux probably won't have a problem with figuring out it's a text file (unlike some
other operating system). First may help find your file, second one
won't.
OK, since that was and wasn't helpful in ls finding a file with
unknown case and Linux is very case sensitive (txt, TXT, tXt, TxT are
four different files) did a little playing. ls itself does have a
switch to ignore cases. grep does (-i), so "ls | grep -i txt" allows for case insensitivity. (Note not "*.txt".) ...You can do ".txt" to
only list the extension hits.
Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece
of software to another!
Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the
other... :)
Nope: as I indicated in other messages back when I was selling
computers Apple had some sort of 'rule' in effect for their software
and for third-party vendors where certain keys always had the same
function: F1 = Help, F9 = Volume Down, F10 = Volume Up (as examples,
don't know if accurate representations).
F1 is pretty standard for Help, across the board...
True; not the best example for randomized Function key assignments.
The other two, though, do tend to be more specialized depending on theAs much as I prefer keyboarding I do tend to use the mouse to do a lot
software.... My genealogy program uses the F9 for repeating an entry,
F10 for accepting a screen... or finishing and exiting the program,
depending on where one is.... Emacs, f9=save file, f10=exit emacs....
of commands, primarily because they are not consistent and so safer: I don't accidentally type the wrong key. ...OTOH I'm sort of in DOS
mode thinking writing this and thinking EDIT is "Alt F S" to Save and
"Alt F X" to exit (which will also prompt to save if the file has been changed).
Ours had the upstairs bathroom first, and the downstairs was added in
the '50s (before our time) by taking over the pantry off the kitchen..
So the upstairs had the tub.... and there was only room for a standup
shower downstairs.... :)
Friend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
could go on the first floor for her but never did.
My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been theMy uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
eight or so, so small).
Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as
big as a tub would take if not a little larger.
Yours both sound more modern than either of ours... ;)
We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
...Get one of those pet stairways?!
They do make assistive steps for people... I've seen them inHopefully for both sides! I can get in with the steps, holding on and pivot to get into the tub - now how do I get out?!
catalogs... :)
session to make room on the hard drive. Unless you have some sort of
indexing utility which looks in text files to build a search catalogue
then you might never find it. (Think Google or Bing search engine but
for your personal computer.)
I've heard of such... dunno if I do have such on this computer, butTwo potential oversights with "ls *.txt": if capitalized won't find.
things are pretty well organized anyway... there's only one directory
it would have been in, and after "ls *.txt" failed to find it, I looked
at the entire list... :) And then checked a few other directories
just in case I'd moved it (highly unlikely, though)... "whereis" would
have turned it up anywhere on the same drive D, but I didn't go quite
that far.... ;) But those are only looking for the file names, not
checking inside the files themselves...
I'm using some *nix commands in DOS... DOS isn't
case-sensitive... in fact, it turns anything Capitalized into all
lower case.... so ls *.txt works fine for anything I have....
The other is if no extention won't find (obviously) but Linux probably won't have a problem with figuring out it's a text file (unlike some
other operating system). First may help find your file, second one
won't.
My files are all in 8.3 format, sometimes with creative
extensions... ;) DOS and my editor can tell when something is
actually a text file, too...
OK, since that was and wasn't helpful in ls finding a file with
unknown case and Linux is very case sensitive (txt, TXT, tXt, TxT are
four different files) did a little playing. ls itself does have a
switch to ignore cases. grep does (-i), so "ls | grep -i txt" allows for case insensitivity. (Note not "*.txt".) ...You can do ".txt" to
only list the extension hits.
I'll try to remember that for if/when I switch to just Linux...
so far I'm happily just using DOS for most of what I do.... and
then, very occasionally, linux here or on one of Richard's
machines, or Windows10 on the touchscreen machine of Richard's
that lets me do websites that lynx can't handle....
As much as I prefer keyboarding I do tend to use the mouse to do a lot
of commands, primarily because they are not consistent and so safer: I don't accidentally type the wrong key. ...OTOH I'm sort of in DOS
mode thinking writing this and thinking EDIT is "Alt F S" to Save and
"Alt F X" to exit (which will also prompt to save if the file has been changed).
One has to be in a graphic interface for the mouse to be helpful,
even potentially... ;) Mine's strictly text... <G>
Ours had the upstairs bathroom first, and the downstairs was added in
the '50s (before our time) by taking over the pantry off the kitchen..
So the upstairs had the tub.... and there was only room for a standup
shower downstairs.... :)
Friend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
could go on the first floor for her but never did.
My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been theMy uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
eight or so, so small).
I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's
half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
Upstairs is just a shower as we don't take baths. Space is about as
big as a tub would take if not a little larger.
Yours both sound more modern than either of ours... ;)
We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
...Get one of those pet stairways?!
They do make assistive steps for people... I've seen them inHopefully for both sides! I can get in with the steps, holding on and pivot to get into the tub - now how do I get out?!
catalogs... :)
You use a bench seat in the tub, and stand up, put your leg over
to the outside, repeat with other leg.... Or, even without the
steps on the outside, one could sit on the edge of the tub, swing
legs in or out and then procede as above... ;)
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 20-Mar-2020 08:31 <=-
I've heard of such... dunno if I do have such on this computer, but
things are pretty well organized anyway... there's only one directory
it would have been in, and after "ls *.txt" failed to find it, I looked
at the entire list... :) And then checked a few other directories
just in case I'd moved it (highly unlikely, though)... "whereis" would
have turned it up anywhere on the same drive D, but I didn't go quite
that far.... ;) But those are only looking for the file names, not
checking inside the files themselves...
Two potential oversights with "ls *.txt": if capitalized won't find.
I'm using some *nix commands in DOS... DOS isn't case-sensitive... inThat was something I had to get used to: normally I write with the
fact, it turns anything Capitalized into all lower case... so ls *.txt
works fine for anything I have....
first word of the sentence capitalized so sometimes was carried over to the command entry. As you noted, doesn't matter for (MS-)DOS; sure
does for Linux!
The other is if no extention won't find (obviously) but Linux probably
won't have a problem with figuring out it's a text file (unlike some
other operating system). First may help find your file, second one
won't.
My files are all in 8.3 format, sometimes with creative extensions...Good on that! I had taught Windows the 'BJM extension' (.BJM) was a
DOS and my editor can tell when something is actually a text file,
too...
text file: my initials and something as a way to quickly find my notes
or comments. Windows needed to be told and placed in the table; Linux just knew.
OK, since that was and wasn't helpful in ls finding a file with
unknown case and Linux is very case sensitive (txt, TXT, tXt, TxT are
four different files) did a little playing. ls itself does have a
switch to ignore cases. grep does (-i), so "ls | grep -i txt" allows
for case insensitivity. (Note not "*.txt".) ...You can do ".txt" to
only list the extension hits.
I'll try to remember that for if/when I switch to just Linux... so farAlways handy to be aware of some of the tricks and tips. :) May not remember right off: there have been more than a few times I type in a half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.
I'm happily just using DOS for most of what I do.... and then, very
occasionally, linux here or on one of Richard's machines, or Windows10
on the touchscreen machine of Richard's that lets me do websites that
lynx can't handle....
As much as I prefer keyboarding I do tend to use the mouse to do a lot
of commands, primarily because they are not consistent and so safer: I
don't accidentally type the wrong key. ...OTOH I'm sort of in DOS
mode thinking writing this and thinking EDIT is "Alt F S" to Save and
"Alt F X" to exit (which will also prompt to save if the file has been
changed).
One has to be in a graphic interface for the mouse to be helpful,There have been those times I grab the mouse to move the cursor and
even potentially... ;) Mine's strictly text... <G>
the cursor just sits there!
Friend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
could go on the first floor for her but never did.
My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
eight or so, so small).
I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor'sThere are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom
half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
space!
We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
...Get one of those pet stairways?!
They do make assistive steps for people... I've seen them in
catalogs... :)
Hopefully for both sides! I can get in with the steps, holding on and
pivot to get into the tub - now how do I get out?!
You use a bench seat in the tub, and stand up, put your leg over toBut the old tub's old and made of cast iron: it's c-c-cold!!!
the outside, repeat with other leg.... Or, even without the steps on
the outside, one could sit on the edge of the tub, swing legs in or
out and then procede as above... ;)
As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
I've heard of such... dunno if I do have such on this computer, but
things are pretty well organized anyway... there's only one directory
it would have been in, and after "ls *.txt" failed to find it, I looked
at the entire list... :) And then checked a few other directories
just in case I'd moved it (highly unlikely, though)... "whereis" would
have turned it up anywhere on the same drive D, but I didn't go quite
that far.... ;) But those are only looking for the file names, not
checking inside the files themselves...
Two potential oversights with "ls *.txt": if capitalized won't find.
I'm using some *nix commands in DOS... DOS isn't case-sensitive... inThat was something I had to get used to: normally I write with the
fact, it turns anything Capitalized into all lower case... so ls *.txt
works fine for anything I have....
first word of the sentence capitalized so sometimes was carried over to the command entry. As you noted, doesn't matter for (MS-)DOS; sure
does for Linux!
So Richard warned me, in my occasional forays into Linux... but
not something I worry about in dos.... :)
The other is if no extention won't find (obviously) but Linux probably
won't have a problem with figuring out it's a text file (unlike some
other operating system). First may help find your file, second one
won't.
My files are all in 8.3 format, sometimes with creative extensions...Good on that! I had taught Windows the 'BJM extension' (.BJM) was a
DOS and my editor can tell when something is actually a text file,
too...
text file: my initials and something as a way to quickly find my notes
or comments. Windows needed to be told and placed in the table; Linux just knew.
Another strike against Windows.... ;)
OK, since that was and wasn't helpful in ls finding a file with
unknown case and Linux is very case sensitive (txt, TXT, tXt, TxT are
four different files) did a little playing. ls itself does have a
switch to ignore cases. grep does (-i), so "ls | grep -i txt" allows
for case insensitivity. (Note not "*.txt".) ...You can do ".txt" to
only list the extension hits.
I'll try to remember that for if/when I switch to just Linux... so farAlways handy to be aware of some of the tricks and tips. :) May not remember right off: there have been more than a few times I type in a half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.
I'm happily just using DOS for most of what I do.... and then, very
occasionally, linux here or on one of Richard's machines, or Windows10
on the touchscreen machine of Richard's that lets me do websites that
lynx can't handle....
BTDT, too... That's what a "spell book" list is for... keeping
track of the commands one doesn't quite remember... ;)
As much as I prefer keyboarding I do tend to use the mouse to do a lot
of commands, primarily because they are not consistent and so safer: I
don't accidentally type the wrong key. ...OTOH I'm sort of in DOS
mode thinking writing this and thinking EDIT is "Alt F S" to Save and
"Alt F X" to exit (which will also prompt to save if the file has been
changed).
One has to be in a graphic interface for the mouse to be helpful,There have been those times I grab the mouse to move the cursor and
even potentially... ;) Mine's strictly text... <G>
the cursor just sits there!
I'm not grabbing for the mouse.... just as well... <G>
Friend's aunt's place was older but I don't think old-old and had the
only bathroom on the second floor. Fairly spacious - probably 12x12'
and had a closet. We sort of tried to figure out where a half-bath
could go on the first floor for her but never did.
My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
eight or so, so small).
I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor'sThere are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom
half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
space!
And there are times that that just isn't an option... when the
only space available is barely large enough, and the only other
choice is to not have anything at all (so just using a commode
that needs dumping)...
We thought a claw-foot tub would look nice/different but as we got old
the stepping-up-and-over to get in (and out) is more of a bother!
...Get one of those pet stairways?!
They do make assistive steps for people... I've seen them in
catalogs... :)
Hopefully for both sides! I can get in with the steps, holding on and
pivot to get into the tub - now how do I get out?!
You use a bench seat in the tub, and stand up, put your leg over toBut the old tub's old and made of cast iron: it's c-c-cold!!!
the outside, repeat with other leg.... Or, even without the steps on
the outside, one could sit on the edge of the tub, swing legs in or
out and then procede as above... ;)
Oh, well... ;)
As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
One could really use those assistive steps on the outside
there... :)
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 31-Mar-2020 10:29 <=-
My files are all in 8.3 format, sometimes with creative extensions...
DOS and my editor can tell when something is actually a text file,
too...
Good on that! I had taught Windows the 'BJM extension' (.BJM) was a
text file: my initials and something as a way to quickly find my notes
or comments. Windows needed to be told and placed in the table; Linux
just knew.
Another strike against Windows.... ;)<chuckle> Well, admittedly a little unconventional (but consider the source!) Linux reads some sort of a header inside the file and
determines (and sometimes tries to guess) the file type. It also has
a table where it can be told to use a certain utility to open/display a file with a specific header.
I'll try to remember that for if/when I switch to just Linux... so far
I'm happily just using DOS for most of what I do.... and then, very
occasionally, linux here or on one of Richard's machines, or Windows10
on the touchscreen machine of Richard's that lets me do websites that
lynx can't handle....
Always handy to be aware of some of the tricks and tips. :) May not
remember right off: there have been more than a few times I type in a
half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.
BTDT, too... That's what a "spell book" list is for... keeping trackWhy am I visualizing you in a bent-tipped witch's hat -- which doesn't
of the commands one doesn't quite remember... ;)
go with that flowing back gown!
Back in my learning DOS days I had a note card box with index cards
with the 'incantations'; had intended to do the same when starting
Linux.
As much as I prefer keyboarding I do tend to use the mouse to do a lot
of commands, primarily because they are not consistent and so safer: I
don't accidentally type the wrong key. ...OTOH I'm sort of in DOS
mode thinking writing this and thinking EDIT is "Alt F S" to Save and
"Alt F X" to exit (which will also prompt to save if the file has been
changed).
One has to be in a graphic interface for the mouse to be helpful,
even potentially... ;) Mine's strictly text... <G>
There have been those times I grab the mouse to move the cursor and
the cursor just sits there!
I'm not grabbing for the mouse.... just as well... <G>It does tend to not do too much in DOS! I tend to use whichever is
more convenient, and sometimes 'convenient' has the meaning of 'less errors' such as the for-certain to click on a window or field to make active as opposed to tabbing or arrowing through. Of course, as usual "all depends".
My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
eight or so, so small).
I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's
half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
There are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom
space!
And there are times that that just isn't an option... when the onlyRight: after-the-fact remodeling has to conform to existing spaces and structures.
space available is barely large enough, and the only other choice is
to not have anything at all (so just using a commode that needs
dumping)...
As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the
hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch
rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the
tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
My files are all in 8.3 format, sometimes with creative extensions...
DOS and my editor can tell when something is actually a text file,
too...
Good on that! I had taught Windows the 'BJM extension' (.BJM) was a
text file: my initials and something as a way to quickly find my notes
or comments. Windows needed to be told and placed in the table; Linux
just knew.
Another strike against Windows.... ;)<chuckle> Well, admittedly a little unconventional (but consider the source!) Linux reads some sort of a header inside the file and
determines (and sometimes tries to guess) the file type. It also has
a table where it can be told to use a certain utility to open/display a file with a specific header.
Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix
commands), I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over
windows... of course, I'm also prejudiced against windows
anyway.... <G>
half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.
BTDT, too... That's what a "spell book" list is for... keeping trackWhy am I visualizing you in a bent-tipped witch's hat -- which doesn't
of the commands one doesn't quite remember... ;)
go with that flowing black gown!
Dunno... must just be that vivid imagination of yours... <G> I'm
not a witch, just a sorcerer's apprentice, remember....? ;)
Back in my learning DOS days I had a note card box with index cards
with the 'incantations'; had intended to do the same when starting
Linux.
And then you found yourself just using the spells anyway....? ;)
My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
eight or so, so small).
I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's
half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
There are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom
space!
And there are times that that just isn't an option... when the onlyRight: after-the-fact remodeling has to conform to existing spaces and structures.
space available is barely large enough, and the only other choice is
to not have anything at all (so just using a commode that needs
dumping)...
Precisely... I wouldn't be surprised if that tiny half-bath at
your uncle's wasn't also a retrofit... :)
As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the
hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch
rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the
tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
Maybe they have longer legs there... <G>
... People who hate cats will come back as mice in their next
life.
Thankfully we don't have quite as hazardous weather here.... But I do NB>sometimes have days that are just too busy to do any more than just log NB>on for a quick grab packets for later....
... Behind every good computer - is a jumble of cables!
That's the ONLY good rats nest I want to be around.
Not likely to be produicing live varmints....
... Hypochondriac's Epitaph: I told you that I was sick.
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 09-Apr-2020 08:12 <=-
Another strike against Windows.... ;)
<chuckle> Well, admittedly a little unconventional (but consider the
source!) Linux reads some sort of a header inside the file and
determines (and sometimes tries to guess) the file type. It also has
a table where it can be told to use a certain utility to open/display a
file with a specific header.
Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an 'alternative' operating system.
I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>
half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.
BTDT, too... That's what a "spell book" list is for... keeping track
of the commands one doesn't quite remember... ;)
Back in my learning DOS days I had a note card box with index cards
with the 'incantations'; had intended to do the same when starting
Linux.
And then you found yourself just using the spells anyway....? ;)Sometimes had to! Where is (so 'find'); how much room left (so df) -- <sputter> whaaat?? <stir spell cauldron a little> df -h -- much better!!
barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook
My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
eight or so, so small).
I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's
half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
There are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom
space!
And there are times that that just isn't an option... when the only
space available is barely large enough, and the only other choice is
to not have anything at all (so just using a commode that needs
dumping)...
Right: after-the-fact remodeling has to conform to existing spaces and
structures.
Precisely... I wouldn't be surprised if that tiny half-bath at yourQuite probable: I remember it was older and seems like a room or two
uncle's wasn't also a retrofit... :)
had been added on by a previous owner.
As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the
hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch
rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the
tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)
Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet
wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
Maybe they have longer legs there... <G><chuckle> Well my Mother did note the younger people were taller than
the older (in general) ==> possibly better nutrition.
... People who hate cats will come back as mice in their nextThink they'll learn?!
life.
Another strike against Windows.... ;)
<chuckle> Well, admittedly a little unconventional (but consider the
source!) Linux reads some sort of a header inside the file and
determines (and sometimes tries to guess) the file type. It also has
a table where it can be told to use a certain utility to open/display a
file with a specific header.
Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an 'alternative' operating system.
I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>
And even a significant subset of the others get that way once
they get some experience with another OS... ;)
half-remembered command and the results don't come out as expected.
BTDT, too... That's what a "spell book" list is for... keeping track
of the commands one doesn't quite remember... ;)
Back in my learning DOS days I had a note card box with index cards
with the 'incantations'; had intended to do the same when starting
Linux.
And then you found yourself just using the spells anyway....? ;)Sometimes had to! Where is (so 'find'); how much room left (so df) -- <sputter> whaaat?? <stir spell cauldron a little> df -h -- much better!!
barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook
Both gave the same info, just in a slightly different form... :)
My neighbor ended up getting a powder room put into what had been the
under the stairs coat closet, just enough room for a toilet and small
sink... Her house was built early 1900's, ours was built 1900....
My uncle had an older house when I was really young (~8) and I vaguely
recall a really tiny bathroom (just toilet and sink - half-bath, like
I knew that term then!) and it was tiny even by my standards (I was
eight or so, so small).
I suspect even your 8-y-o self would have found my neighbor's
half-bath tiny as well.... ;)
There are some things one just should not skimp on, like bathroom
space!
And there are times that that just isn't an option... when the only
space available is barely large enough, and the only other choice is
to not have anything at all (so just using a commode that needs
dumping)...
Right: after-the-fact remodeling has to conform to existing spaces and
structures.
Precisely... I wouldn't be surprised if that tiny half-bath at yourQuite probable: I remember it was older and seems like a room or two
uncle's wasn't also a retrofit... :)
had been added on by a previous owner.
So you'd need to modify your statement that some things one just
should not skimp on, like bathroom space, to add, "as long as one
can do so"...
As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the
hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch
rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the
tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)
Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet
wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
Maybe they have longer legs there... <G><chuckle> Well my Mother did note the younger people were taller than
the older (in general) ==> possibly better nutrition.
Now, if your Aunt had noted that, it might explain things
better... ;)
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 23-Feb-2020 10:31 <=-
Thankfully we don't have quite as hazardous weather here.... But I do
sometimes have days that are just too busy to do any more than just log
on for a quick grab packets for later....
Some days, I don't even logon. I update the ham radio and weather
data thorugh external batchfiles, and that's it.
* OLX 1.53 * Classical Gas: A Mozart Fart.
* OLX 1.53 * Classical Gas: A Mozart Fart.
Barry said I should save the tagline below for you.... ;)
... Farts are just the ghosts of things we ate.
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 20-Apr-2020 10:35 <=-
Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),
I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>
It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an
'alternative' operating system.
And even a significant subset of the others get that way onceOr even another version of Windows. I have been playing with
they get some experience with another OS... ;)
computers since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes - some upgrades, some IMO downgrades.
At the store only had what Corporate gave us to use -- we'll just say Corporate was not at all generous. It was sometimes easier and more efficient to do work at home.
barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook
barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook
Both gave the same info, just in a slightly different form... :)Right. The 'df' version is probably more accurate but the 'df -h'
version has more meaning to me.
As for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the
hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch
rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into the
tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost an extra foot!
One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)
Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet
wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
Maybe they have longer legs there... <G>
<chuckle> Well my Mother did note the younger people were taller than
the older (in general) ==> possibly better nutrition.
Now, if your Aunt had noted that, it might explain things better... ;)She did agree after it was pointed out. OTOH not all of the younger people were tall nor all of the older people short.
Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 23-Apr-2020 11:36 <=-
... Farts are just the ghosts of things we ate.
They did a study, noting that "Everyone farts...some from as little
as 15 times a day, to as much as 20 times an hour" -- our tax dollars
at work.
Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),
I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>
It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an
'alternative' operating system.
And even a significant subset of the others get that way onceOr even another version of Windows. I have been playing with
they get some experience with another OS... ;)
computers since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes - some upgrades, some IMO downgrades.
In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to
FORTRAN when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly
stayed clear of Windows of any sort... only using where
necessary...
barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook
barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook
Both gave the same info, just in a slightly different form... :)Right. The 'df' version is probably more accurate but the 'df -h'
version has more meaning to me.
Easier to parse when in the abbreviated form... ;)
the BM>>>> tub and when exiting step up, over, and down almost anAs for the tub-climbing, sort of what I did with the tub-shower at the
hotel in Vienna. The 'big problem' was the tub was on a 6- or 8-inch
rise (probably to accomodate the drain) so one had to climb up into
extra foot!
One could really use those assistive steps on the outside there... :)
Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet
wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
Maybe they have longer legs there... <G>
<chuckle> Well my Mother did note the younger people were taller than
the older (in general) ==> possibly better nutrition.
Now, if your Aunt had noted that, it might explain things better... ;)She did agree after it was pointed out. OTOH not all of the younger people were tall nor all of the older people short.
Yup, that's where the explanation breaks down... <G>
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 30-Apr-2020 11:30 <=-
Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),
I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>
It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an
'alternative' operating system.
And even a significant subset of the others get that way once
they get some experience with another OS... ;)
Or even another version of Windows. I have been playing with
computers since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes -
some upgrades, some IMO downgrades.
In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to FORTRANYou're probably one of the few people in this country who can say that!
when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly stayed clear
of Windows of any sort... only using where necessary...
barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook
barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook
Both gave the same info, just in a slightly different form... :)
Right. The 'df' version is probably more accurate but the 'df -h'
version has more meaning to me.
Easier to parse when in the abbreviated form... ;)For me something much easier to understand, plus I don't need the super-accuracy down to the last byte.
Right! I could understand the need to have the tub elevated above
floor level in order to make room for the drain (hmm: yet the toilet
wasn't elevated). And to me a step would have made sense.
Maybe they have longer legs there... <G>
<chuckle> Well my Mother did note the younger people were taller than
the older (in general) ==> possibly better nutrition.
Now, if your Aunt had noted that, it might explain things better... ;)
She did agree after it was pointed out. OTOH not all of the younger
people were tall nor all of the older people short.
Yup, that's where the explanation breaks down... <G>And of course the taller-than-average people are going to stick out
above the crowd, so are more noticeable. And there have always been above-averaged height people.
Even though I rarely use linux (other than that set of *nix commands),
I've known that linux has a lot of benefits over windows... of course,
I'm also prejudiced against windows anyway.... <G>
It seems a lot of people are if they're had any experience with an
'alternative' operating system.
And even a significant subset of the others get that way once
they get some experience with another OS... ;)
Or even another version of Windows. I have been playing with
computers since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes -
some upgrades, some IMO downgrades.
In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to FORTRANYou're probably one of the few people in this country who can say that!
when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly stayed clear
of Windows of any sort... only using where necessary...
Which, the staying clear of Windows...? or the gap in the
computer usage, or the exposure to FORTRAN...? <G> Or the total combination... ;)
barry@NZXT:~$ df /media/barry/MyBook
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc1 2930191484 716939656 2213251828 25% /media/barry/MyBook
barry@NZXT:~$ df -h /media/barry/MyBook
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc1 2.8T 684G 2.1T 25% /media/barry/MyBook
Both gave the same info, just in a slightly different form... :)
Right. The 'df' version is probably more accurate but the 'df -h'
version has more meaning to me.
Easier to parse when in the abbreviated form... ;)For me something much easier to understand, plus I don't need the super-accuracy down to the last byte.
Since I usually see it in the byte form rather than the T and G
form (Mine would be only meg and possibly gig anyway), I just
glance at it, see that 29 less 7 is 22, so it makes sense, and
mostly ignore it otherwise... ;) What's most important is how
much is left, especially when I'm starting to scrape the
bottom... <G>
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 07-May-2020 12:37 <=-
And even a significant subset of the others get that way once
they get some experience with another OS... ;)
Or even another version of Windows. I have been playing with
computers since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes -
some upgrades, some IMO downgrades.
In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to FORTRANYou're probably one of the few people in this country who can say that!
when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly stayed clear
of Windows of any sort... only using where necessary...
Which, the staying clear of Windows...? or the gap in the computer
usage, or the exposure to FORTRAN...? <G> Or the total combination... ;)
I was thinking Windows.
...And then I could just see a computer geek T-shirt with "I'm been exposed to FORTRAN" emblazoned across the front, especially now!!
Easier to parse when in the abbreviated form... ;)
For me something much easier to understand, plus I don't need the
super-accuracy down to the last byte.
Since I usually see it in the byte form rather than the T and G formYes on the 'how much room is left' part. It used to be with Windows
(mine would be only meg and possibly gig anyway), I just glance at
it, see that 29 less 7 is 22, so it makes sense, and mostly ignore
it otherwise... ;) What's most important is how much is left,
especially when I'm starting to scrape the bottom... <G>
one would want to defragment the hard drive every so often, so put all
the pieces of the file back together to speed the system up. Don't
know if that is still recommended; never had to do with Ubuntu.
Anyway, the less free space there was the longer and less efficient the defragmenting became.
And even a significant subset of the others get that way once
they get some experience with another OS... ;)
Or even another version of Windows. I have been playing with
computers since the early 80's and have gone through numerous changes -
some upgrades, some IMO downgrades.
In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to FORTRANYou're probably one of the few people in this country who can say that!
when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly stayed clear
of Windows of any sort... only using where necessary...
Which, the staying clear of Windows...? or the gap in the computer
usage, or the exposure to FORTRAN...? <G> Or the total combination... ;)
I was thinking Windows.
As to avoiding Windows, that's what my guru taught me... Our
first home computer was DOS... and the first thing he did when he
got the pentium as an upgrade was to delete Windows95 and just
have the underlying DOS be the operating system... well,
actually, I guess he did leave Win95 in the background to be
called up if gui was needed for something.... ;)
...And then I could just see a computer geek T-shirt with "I'm been exposed to FORTRAN" emblazoned across the front, especially now!!
That could be fun... ;) One would have to be hard-core computer
geek, and/or of a certain age, to know what that was talking
about... ;)
Easier to parse when in the abbreviated form... ;)
For me something much easier to understand, plus I don't need the
super-accuracy down to the last byte.
Since I usually see it in the byte form rather than the T and G formYes on the 'how much room is left' part. It used to be with Windows
(mine would be only meg and possibly gig anyway), I just glance at
it, see that 29 less 7 is 22, so it makes sense, and mostly ignore
it otherwise... ;) What's most important is how much is left,
especially when I'm starting to scrape the bottom... <G>
one would want to defragment the hard drive every so often, so put all
the pieces of the file back together to speed the system up. Don't
know if that is still recommended; never had to do with Ubuntu.
Anyway, the less free space there was the longer and less efficient the defragmenting became.
I've done that many a time with DOS, for the same reason... and
yes, one really doesn't want to wait until it was really tight... <G>
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 14-May-2020 12:34 <=-
In my case it's probably mid 80's, except for some exposure to FORTRAN
when I was in college in the late 60's... And I've mostly stayed clear
of Windows of any sort... only using where necessary...
You're probably one of the few people in this country who can say that!
Which, the staying clear of Windows...? or the gap in the computer
usage, or the exposure to FORTRAN...? <G> Or the total combination... ;)
I was thinking Windows.
As to avoiding Windows, that's what my guru taught me... Our first homeThere are some things and applications where Windows is a necessity.
computer was DOS... and the first thing he did when he got the pentium
as an upgrade was to delete Windows95 and just have the underlying DOS
be the operating system... well, actually, I guess he did leave Win95
in the background to be called up if gui was needed for something... ;)
A while back I had a problem with some thumbdrives - not an off-brand
-- and the repair required Windows - not even an inkling of a consideration for Mac much less Linux. IMO a bit short-sighted.
...And then I could just see a computer geek T-shirt with "I'm been
exposed to FORTRAN" emblazoned across the front, especially now!!
That could be fun... ;) One would have to be hard-core computerLike going into a back surgeon's office with a t-shirt saying "I have
geek, and/or of a certain age, to know what that was talking
about... ;)
a floppy disk". (If they're good they'll notice the spelling.)
What's most important is how much is left, especially when I'm
starting to scrape the bottom... <G>
Yes on the 'how much room is left' part. It used to be with Windows
one would want to defragment the hard drive every so often, so put all
the pieces of the file back together to speed the system up. Don't
know if that is still recommended; never had to do with Ubuntu.
Anyway, the less free space there was the longer and less efficient the
defragmenting became.
I've done that many a time with DOS, for the same reason... and yes,In my DOS Days I used to edit saved files to keep within the 2048 byte cluster size -- don't know if was worth the work but was a good review
one really doesn't want to wait until it was really tight... <G>
of the material!
Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 24-May-2020 08:56 <=-
As to avoiding Windows, that's what my guru taught me... Our first home
computer was DOS... and the first thing he did when he got the pentium
as an upgrade was to delete Windows95 and just have the underlying DOS
be the operating system... well, actually, I guess he did leave Win95
in the background to be called up if gui was needed for something... ;)
There are some things and applications where Windows is a necessity.
Agreed, reluctantly... ;) And that's partly why Richard has aI'm sort of visualizing someone browsing in front of a collection of computers like one would browse a magazine rack!
selection of computers of his own... some with Linux, some with DOS,
some with Windows, depending on what he needs/wants....
A while back I had a problem with some thumbdrives - not an off-brand
-- and the repair required Windows - not even an inkling of a
consideration for Mac much less Linux. IMO a bit short-sighted.
One could say that... :)I'll admit to barely having an idea of the work to create a repair
utility -- I know it's a lot of work! Seems like it is something that should have been done by now but for whatever reason hasn't. Know I'm
not the only one who has screwed up thumbdrives; I'm probably like
99.9% of those who have who has no idea how to create a repair utility
and so relies on that 0.1%.
What's most important is how much is left, especially when I'm
starting to scrape the bottom... <G>
Yes on the 'how much room is left' part. It used to be with Windows
one would want to defragment the hard drive every so often, so put all
the pieces of the file back together to speed the system up. Don't
know if that is still recommended; never had to do with Ubuntu.
Anyway, the less free space there was the longer and less efficient the
defragmenting became.
I've done that many a time with DOS, for the same reason... and yes,
one really doesn't want to wait until it was really tight... <G>
In my DOS Days I used to edit saved files to keep within the 2048 byte
cluster size -- don't know if was worth the work but was a good review
of the material!
If things tended to always be tight, it might have been worth theSolved that problem with a 3 TB hard drive! ...414 GB (17%) used -- wellllll, maybe was a bit of overkill!
work... Of course nowadays, the basic cluster size is a lot larger
than that, so you end up wasting space with those smaller files... ;)
... Farts are just the ghosts of things we ate.
They did a study, noting that "Everyone farts...some from as little
as 15 times a day, to as much as 20 times an hour" -- our tax dollars
at work.
Was it a government study....? I'd've thought that would have been a college research project.... ;)
Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 31-May-2020 19:28 <=-
... Farts are just the ghosts of things we ate.
They did a study, noting that "Everyone farts...some from as little
as 15 times a day, to as much as 20 times an hour" -- our tax dollars
at work.
Was it a government study....? I'd've thought that would have been a
college research project.... ;)
Probably served the participants chili dogs and pinto beans. <G>
Was it a government study....? I'd've thought that would have been a
college research project.... ;)
Probably served the participants chili dogs and pinto beans. <G>
That would certainly tend to skew the results... unless they had a
control group served less potentially gas-producing foods...
Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 13-Jun-2020 11:01 <=-
Was it a government study....? I'd've thought that would have been a
college research project.... ;)
Probably served the participants chili dogs and pinto beans. <G>
That would certainly tend to skew the results... unless they had a
control group served less potentially gas-producing foods...
A fellow ham radio operator mentioned a deal he called "spider
barkings". I had no idea what that was, and he said "Beano takes care
of it", and I went "Ahhhhh!!" <G>
Nowadays, I'm afraid it's going to end up as the meme, where the
baby's horrifed face notes "OMG!! That wasn't a fart!!" :P
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