• Eagle Cam

    From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to All on Sun May 12 11:03:00 2019

    Finally found out why I was just getting an all-black picture when
    trying to look at the eagle nest at Arconic.com: the floodwaters took
    out the equipment! It's there but waterlogged.

    Half-thought I may have done something to screw the display up here,
    though that didn't quite make sense. Yes, test on a different computer
    would make sense, except for those 'But Firsts'! Did finally check on
    my cell phone, first with Firefox, then with Chromium - both black.
    Happened Chromium was set to a smaller picture and a couple of swipes
    below the pictures was the comment re: the flooding of their equipment.

    And as a side note to that the eaglets are being named 'Windy' and
    'Storm' - seems appropriate! :) They have posted some stills at https://www.arconic.com/eaglecam/



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue May 21 00:50:40 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to All on 12-May-2019 11:03 <=-

    Finally found out why I was just getting an all-black picture when
    trying to look at the eagle nest at Arconic.com: the floodwaters took
    out the equipment! It's there but waterlogged.

    Well, that would explain it..... ;)

    Half-thought I may have done something to screw the display up here, though that didn't quite make sense. Yes, test on a different
    computer would make sense, except for those 'But Firsts'! Did finally check on my cell phone, first with Firefox, then with Chromium - both black. Happened Chromium was set to a smaller picture and a couple of swipes below the pictures was the comment re: the flooding of their equipment.

    Just had to be able to see the comment.... ;) Will they be able to
    resume the monitoring later, or is the equipment destroyed by the
    flooding....?

    And as a side note to that the eaglets are being named 'Windy' and
    'Storm' - seems appropriate! :) They have posted some stills at https://www.arconic.com/eaglecam/

    Very appropriate.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Tue May 21 15:09:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    Finally found out why I was just getting an all-black picture when
    trying to look at the eagle nest at Arconic.com: the floodwaters took
    out the equipment! It's there but waterlogged.
    Well, that would explain it..... ;)

    Yes! Things weren't quite making sense. Yes, I do have a video issue
    here with one utility but wasn't creating the same visual error. OTOH
    their feed indicated the number of people watching at that time, which
    varied, and why would someone be watching a black picture? (Same reason
    I was listening to click-hiss on the radio station years ago! <gg>)


    Half-thought I may have done something to screw the display up here, though that didn't quite make sense. Yes, test on a different
    computer would make sense, except for those 'But Firsts'! Did finally check on my cell phone, first with Firefox, then with Chromium - both black. Happened Chromium was set to a smaller picture and a couple of swipes below the pictures was the comment re: the flooding of their equipment.
    Just had to be able to see the comment.... ;) Will they be able
    to resume the monitoring later, or is the equipment destroyed by
    the flooding....?

    And the comment was down a bit: video feeds at the top, beneath a
    'welcome' type announcement of where the the feed is coming from, a bit
    of sponsorship blurbby Arconic, then the history of the parent birds and
    the offspring over the tears. That followed by some comments which had
    the announcement of the feed-flood issues. Ideally the flooded
    equipment announcmeent would have been at the top but probably an easier
    said than done situation with the way the web page is coded.


    And as a side note to that the eaglets are being named 'Windy' and
    'Storm' - seems appropriate! :) They have posted some stills at https://www.arconic.com/eaglecam/
    Very appropriate.... ;)

    <looking outside> Especially this year!



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon May 27 18:12:48 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 21-May-2019 15:09 <=-

    Finally found out why I was just getting an all-black picture when
    trying to look at the eagle nest at Arconic.com: the floodwaters took
    out the equipment! It's there but waterlogged.
    Well, that would explain it..... ;)
    Yes! Things weren't quite making sense. Yes, I do have a video issue
    here with one utility but wasn't creating the same visual error. OTOH their feed indicated the number of people watching at that time, which varied, and why would someone be watching a black picture? (Same reason
    I was listening to click-hiss on the radio station years ago! <gg>)

    Or the same reason you were watching... checking on the eaglets and
    finding a black screen.... ;)

    Half-thought I may have done something to screw the display up here,
    though that didn't quite make sense. Yes, test on a different
    computer would make sense, except for those 'But Firsts'! Did finally
    check on my cell phone, first with Firefox, then with Chromium - both
    black. Happened Chromium was set to a smaller picture and a couple of
    swipes below the pictures was the comment re: the flooding of their
    equipment.
    Just had to be able to see the comment.... ;)
    And the comment was down a bit: video feeds at the top, beneath a 'welcome' type announcement of where the the feed is coming from, a
    bit of sponsorship blurbby Arconic, then the history of the parent
    birds and the offspring over the tears. That followed by some comments which had the announcement of the feed-flood issues. Ideally the
    flooded equipment announcement would have been at the top but probably
    an easier said than done situation with the way the web page is coded.

    Probably... The ideal place for the announcement would actually have
    been above the video feed... so that people would see that before the
    black picture....

    Will they be able to resume the monitoring later, or is the equipment
    destroyed by the flooding....?

    And you didn't answer this part of the comment/question... ;)

    And as a side note to that the eaglets are being named 'Windy' and
    'Storm' - seems appropriate! :) They have posted some stills at
    https://www.arconic.com/eaglecam/
    Very appropriate.... ;)
    <looking outside> Especially this year!

    Yup. :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Tue May 28 09:17:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    Finally found out why I was just getting an all-black picture when
    trying to look at the eagle nest at Arconic.com: the floodwaters took
    out the equipment! It's there but waterlogged.
    Well, that would explain it..... ;)
    Yes! Things weren't quite making sense. Yes, I do have a video issue
    here with one utility but wasn't creating the same visual error. OTOH their feed indicated the number of people watching at that time, which varied, and why would someone be watching a black picture? (Same reason
    I was listening to click-hiss on the radio station years ago! <gg>)
    Or the same reason you were watching... checking on the eaglets
    and finding a black screen.... ;)

    That too! ...And with the constant rain doesn't look like the drying
    out or the repairs will be done any time soon; darkening up for another
    round of rain this morning and they're predicting severe weather late
    this evening.


    Half-thought I may have done something to screw the display up here,
    though that didn't quite make sense. Yes, test on a different
    computer would make sense, except for those 'But Firsts'! Did finally
    check on my cell phone, first with Firefox, then with Chromium - both
    black. Happened Chromium was set to a smaller picture and a couple of
    swipes below the pictures was the comment re: the flooding of their
    equipment.
    Just had to be able to see the comment.... ;)
    And the comment was down a bit: video feeds at the top, beneath a 'welcome' type announcement of where the the feed is coming from, a
    bit of sponsorship blurbby Arconic, then the history of the parent
    birds and the offspring over the tears. That followed by some comments which had the announcement of the feed-flood issues. Ideally the
    flooded equipment announcement would have been at the top but probably
    an easier said than done situation with the way the web page is coded.
    Probably... The ideal place for the announcement would actually
    have been above the video feed... so that people would see that
    before the black picture....

    Yes, would make more sense from the viewer's perspective. LIS maybe
    "can't" because of the way things are coded. At least I found out the
    reason and don't have to try to correct that problem.



    Will they be able to resume the monitoring later, or is the equipment
    destroyed by the flooding....?
    And you didn't answer this part of the comment/question... ;)

    Oh! Thought I had. Monitoring will continue - eventually. At the time
    the announcement indicated the primary problem is some of the hardware
    is underwater. Is able to be out in the rain and possibly even under
    water for a short period of time -- a normal flood event but not
    extended like we're having currently. They're hoping when the water
    goes down and the equipment dries out the feed will continue, else will
    have to replace the water-damaged hardware. Didn't state but I'm
    hoping they also move whatever hardware is in the water now gets moved
    to a higher position. Of course that may be easier said than done: the
    splice site for the extension would still be under water.


    y


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Jun 1 16:54:30 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 28-May-2019 09:17 <=-

    Finally found out why I was just getting an all-black picture when
    trying to look at the eagle nest at Arconic.com: the floodwaters took
    out the equipment! It's there but waterlogged.
    Well, that would explain it..... ;)
    Yes! Things weren't quite making sense. Yes, I do have a video issue
    here with one utility but wasn't creating the same visual error. OTOH
    their feed indicated the number of people watching at that time, which
    varied, and why would someone be watching a black picture? (Same reason
    I was listening to click-hiss on the radio station years ago! <gg>)
    Or the same reason you were watching... checking on the eaglets and
    finding a black screen.... ;)
    That too! ...And with the constant rain doesn't look like the drying
    out or the repairs will be done any time soon; darkening up for
    another round of rain this morning and they're predicting severe
    weather late this evening.

    Just doesn't want to stop... Our weather seems to be mostly settling
    in... after much cooler than normal and rather wet, but not as bad as
    yours, we are finally looking to be getting normal spring highs in the
    mid 70's for much of the coming week... and not too much rain in the forecast... Lake Ontario is higher than normal though, and we're
    starting to get flood warnings for the lakeshore whenever there's any
    rain expected along with more than light winds... Fortunately for me, we
    aren't all that close to the lake itself... :)

    Half-thought I may have done something to screw the display up here,
    though that didn't quite make sense. Yes, test on a different
    computer would make sense, except for those 'But Firsts'! Did finally
    check on my cell phone, first with Firefox, then with Chromium - both
    black. Happened Chromium was set to a smaller picture and a couple of
    swipes below the pictures was the comment re: the flooding of their
    equipment.
    Just had to be able to see the comment.... ;)
    And the comment was down a bit: video feeds at the top, beneath a
    'welcome' type announcement of where the the feed is coming from, a
    bit of sponsorship blurbby Arconic, then the history of the parent
    birds and the offspring over the tears. That followed by some comments
    which had the announcement of the feed-flood issues. Ideally the
    flooded equipment announcement would have been at the top but probably
    an easier said than done situation with the way the web page is coded.
    Probably... The ideal place for the announcement would actually
    have been above the video feed... so that people would see that
    before the black picture....
    Yes, would make more sense from the viewer's perspective. LIS maybe "can't" because of the way things are coded. At least I found out the reason and don't have to try to correct that problem.

    True... quite likely it wasn't possible, even though it would have been
    more useful... :) And a good thing to know that it isn't on your
    end... :)

    Will they be able to resume the monitoring later, or is the equipment
    destroyed by the flooding....?
    And you didn't answer this part of the comment/question... ;)
    Oh! Thought I had. Monitoring will continue - eventually. At the
    time the announcement indicated the primary problem is some of the hardware is underwater. Is able to be out in the rain and possibly
    even under water for a short period of time -- a normal flood event but not extended like we're having currently. They're hoping when the
    water goes down and the equipment dries out the feed will continue,
    else will have to replace the water-damaged hardware. Didn't state but I'm hoping they also move whatever hardware is in the water now gets
    moved to a higher position. Of course that may be easier said than
    done: the splice site for the extension would still be under water.

    Nobody was expecting record flood levels and duration... Hopefully it
    will just be a case of needing to dry out.... In the meantime, the
    eaglets may grow up and fly away.... ;)

    ... It's National Librarian Day. So everybody shhhhhhhhh.

    Now that's an outdated attribution... most librarians nowadays allow
    quiet talk, anyway... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jun 2 12:28:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    Finally found out why I was just getting an all-black picture when
    trying to look at the eagle nest at Arconic.com: the floodwaters took
    out the equipment! It's there but waterlogged.
    Well, that would explain it..... ;)
    Yes! Things weren't quite making sense. Yes, I do have a video issue
    here with one utility but wasn't creating the same visual error. OTOH
    their feed indicated the number of people watching at that time, which
    varied, and why would someone be watching a black picture? (Same reason
    I was listening to click-hiss on the radio station years ago! <gg>)
    Or the same reason you were watching... checking on the eaglets and
    finding a black screen.... ;)
    That too! ...And with the constant rain doesn't look like the drying
    out or the repairs will be done any time soon; darkening up for
    another round of rain this morning and they're predicting severe
    weather late this evening.
    Just doesn't want to stop... Our weather seems to be mostly
    settling in... after much cooler than normal and rather wet, but
    not as bad as yours, we are finally looking to be getting normal
    spring highs in the mid 70's for much of the coming week... and
    not too much rain in the forecast... Lake Ontario is higher than
    normal though, and we're starting to get flood warnings for the
    lakeshore whenever there's any rain expected along with more than
    light winds... Fortunately for me, we aren't all that close to
    the lake itself... :)

    There are times when 'on the beach' is nice but then having a little
    distance isn't always a bad thing!

    BTW, there was a breech in the floodwall at Burlington, IA, late
    yesterday afternoon, flooding into their downtown. I've been bad and
    not seen the news/looked online to see the extent of their damage.
    Problem was the sand has soaked in water since April, so over two
    months, and none of the temporary flood walls in the region have gone
    through that length of use.


    <eaglecam black screen>
    <finally saw post equipment underwater>
    Yes, would make more sense from the viewer's perspective. LIS maybe "can't" because of the way things are coded. At least I found out the reason and don't have to try to correct that problem.
    True... quite likely it wasn't possible, even though it would
    have been more useful... :) And a good thing to know that it
    isn't on your end... :)

    Yes to both. I don't know coding -- have fiddled with some really
    simple stuff so have a barely-scratch-the-surface idea. To have the
    idea of a top-post of the issue is easy, to actually do it -- for what
    little I know probably easy, but then might screw up/overlap/etc., with
    the original coding's placements and just make a mess.


    Will they be able to resume the monitoring later, or is the equipment
    destroyed by the flooding....?
    And you didn't answer this part of the comment/question... ;)
    Oh! Thought I had. Monitoring will continue - eventually. At the
    time the announcement indicated the primary problem is some of the hardware is underwater. Is able to be out in the rain and possibly
    even under water for a short period of time -- a normal flood event but not extended like we're having currently. They're hoping when the
    water goes down and the equipment dries out the feed will continue,
    else will have to replace the water-damaged hardware. Didn't state but I'm hoping they also move whatever hardware is in the water now gets
    moved to a higher position. Of course that may be easier said than
    done: the splice site for the extension would still be under water.
    Nobody was expecting record flood levels and duration...
    Hopefully it will just be a case of needing to dry out.... In the meantime, the eaglets may grow up and fly away.... ;)

    Yes: missing their growing up, but as you said no one was anticipating
    the flooding to last this long. From what I recall of the posts
    indicated the 'box' the hardware is in can be submurged for a while but
    after a while the water leaks in. Remember reading something indicating
    they could tell the water was coming in and starting to cause problems.


    ... It's National Librarian Day. So everybody shhhhhhhhh.
    Now that's an outdated attribution... most librarians nowadays
    allow quiet talk, anyway... ;)

    Even when I was in school the library was quiet but some low-level
    talking was allowed -- seemed as long as wasn't disturbing the other
    patrons was OK.



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Jun 7 19:35:52 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 02-Jun-2019 12:28 <=-

    That too! ...And with the constant rain doesn't look like the drying
    out or the repairs will be done any time soon; darkening up for
    another round of rain this morning and they're predicting severe
    weather late this evening.
    Just doesn't want to stop... Our weather seems to be mostly settling
    in... after much cooler than normal and rather wet, but not as bad as
    yours, we are finally looking to be getting normal spring highs in
    the mid 70's for much of the coming week... and not too much rain in
    the forecast... Lake Ontario is higher than normal though, and we're
    starting to get flood warnings for the lakeshore whenever there's any
    rain expected along with more than light winds... Fortunately for me,
    we aren't all that close to the lake itself... :)
    There are times when 'on the beach' is nice but then having a little distance isn't always a bad thing!

    Indeed...!! :)

    BTW, there was a breech in the floodwall at Burlington, IA, late
    yesterday afternoon, flooding into their downtown. I've been bad and
    not seen the news/looked online to see the extent of their damage.
    Problem was the sand has soaked in water since April, so over two
    months, and none of the temporary flood walls in the region have gone through that length of use.

    And there just comes a time that it can't hold any more....

    <eaglecam black screen>
    <finally saw post equipment underwater>
    Yes, would make more sense from the viewer's perspective. LIS maybe
    "can't" because of the way things are coded. At least I found out the
    reason and don't have to try to correct that problem.
    True... quite likely it wasn't possible, even though it would have
    been more useful... :) And a good thing to know that it isn't on
    your end... :)
    Yes to both. I don't know coding -- have fiddled with some really
    simple stuff so have a barely-scratch-the-surface idea. To have the
    idea of a top-post of the issue is easy, to actually do it -- for what little I know probably easy, but then might screw up/overlap/etc.,
    with the original coding's placements and just make a mess.

    Yup, lots of potential variables....

    Will they be able to resume the monitoring later, or is the equipment
    destroyed by the flooding....?
    And you didn't answer this part of the comment/question... ;)
    Oh! Thought I had. Monitoring will continue - eventually. At the
    time the announcement indicated the primary problem is some of the
    hardware is underwater. Is able to be out in the rain and possibly
    even under water for a short period of time -- a normal flood event but
    not extended like we're having currently. They're hoping when the
    water goes down and the equipment dries out the feed will continue,
    else will have to replace the water-damaged hardware. Didn't state but
    I'm hoping they also move whatever hardware is in the water now gets
    moved to a higher position. Of course that may be easier said than
    done: the splice site for the extension would still be under water.
    Nobody was expecting record flood levels and duration... Hopefully it
    will just be a case of needing to dry out.... In the meantime, the
    eaglets may grow up and fly away.... ;)
    Yes: missing their growing up, but as you said no one was anticipating
    the flooding to last this long. From what I recall of the posts
    indicated the 'box' the hardware is in can be submurged for a while
    but after a while the water leaks in. Remember reading something indicating they could tell the water was coming in and starting to
    cause problems.

    Hopefully next year will be better.... :)

    ... It's National Librarian Day. So everybody shhhhhhhhh.
    Now that's an outdated attribution... most librarians nowadays
    allow quiet talk, anyway... ;)
    Even when I was in school the library was quiet but some low-level
    talking was allowed -- seemed as long as wasn't disturbing the other patrons was OK.

    And nowadays, there's even more permitted... I think there still is some
    amount of not disturbing the other patrons, though....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jun 8 09:08:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    BTW, there was a breech in the floodwall at Burlington, IA, late
    yesterday afternoon, flooding into their downtown. I've been bad and
    not seen the news/looked online to see the extent of their damage.
    Problem was the sand has soaked in water since April, so over two
    months, and none of the temporary flood walls in the region have gone through that length of use.
    And there just comes a time that it can't hold any more....

    Unfortunately right. I could make guesses about why the failure; quite
    sure there are a few teams of people with all sort of degrees and
    experience looking into it.


    <eaglecam black screen>
    Will they be able to resume the monitoring later, or is the equipment
    destroyed by the flooding....?
    And you didn't answer this part of the comment/question... ;)
    Oh! Thought I had. Monitoring will continue - eventually. At the
    time the announcement indicated the primary problem is some of the
    hardware is underwater. Is able to be out in the rain and possibly
    even under water for a short period of time -- a normal flood event but
    not extended like we're having currently. They're hoping when the
    water goes down and the equipment dries out the feed will continue,
    else will have to replace the water-damaged hardware. Didn't state but
    I'm hoping they also move whatever hardware is in the water now gets
    moved to a higher position. Of course that may be easier said than
    done: the splice site for the extension would still be under water.
    Nobody was expecting record flood levels and duration... Hopefully it
    will just be a case of needing to dry out.... In the meantime, the
    eaglets may grow up and fly away.... ;)
    Yes: missing their growing up, but as you said no one was anticipating
    the flooding to last this long. From what I recall of the posts
    indicated the 'box' the hardware is in can be submurged for a while
    but after a while the water leaks in. Remember reading something indicating they could tell the water was coming in and starting to
    cause problems.
    Hopefully next year will be better.... :)

    Hopefully! And I'd guess a few changes would be made such as mounting
    the box that leaked higher. ...Another one of my little what-if
    exercises as I have no idea of location, contents, etc., etc.


    ... It's National Librarian Day. So everybody shhhhhhhhh.
    Now that's an outdated attribution... most librarians nowadays
    allow quiet talk, anyway... ;)
    Even when I was in school the library was quiet but some low-level
    talking was allowed -- seemed as long as wasn't disturbing the other patrons was OK.
    And nowadays, there's even more permitted... I think there still
    is some amount of not disturbing the other patrons, though....

    Probably so. Humans are just noisy, but need to be respectful of the
    other person.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Wed Jun 12 15:46:48 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 08-Jun-2019 09:08 <=-

    BTW, there was a breech in the floodwall at Burlington, IA, late
    yesterday afternoon, flooding into their downtown. I've been bad and
    not seen the news/looked online to see the extent of their damage.
    Problem was the sand has soaked in water since April, so over two
    months, and none of the temporary flood walls in the region have gone
    through that length of use.
    And there just comes a time that it can't hold any more....
    Unfortunately right. I could make guesses about why the failure;
    quite sure there are a few teams of people with all sort of degrees and experience looking into it.

    And hopefully they will come up with solutions and better flood
    defenses... :)

    Nobody was expecting record flood levels and duration... Hopefully it
    will just be a case of needing to dry out.... In the meantime, the
    eaglets may grow up and fly away.... ;)
    Yes: missing their growing up, but as you said no one was anticipating
    the flooding to last this long. From what I recall of the posts
    indicated the 'box' the hardware is in can be submurged for a while
    but after a while the water leaks in. Remember reading something
    indicating they could tell the water was coming in and starting to
    cause problems.
    Hopefully next year will be better.... :)
    Hopefully! And I'd guess a few changes would be made such as mounting
    the box that leaked higher. ...Another one of my little what-if
    exercises as I have no idea of location, contents, etc., etc.

    Probably lots of people will be engaged in re-thinking things due to
    this years record flooding events.... :)

    ... It's National Librarian Day. So everybody shhhhhhhhh.
    Now that's an outdated attribution... most librarians nowadays
    allow quiet talk, anyway... ;)
    Even when I was in school the library was quiet but some low-level
    talking was allowed -- seemed as long as wasn't disturbing the other
    patrons was OK.
    And nowadays, there's even more permitted... I think there still
    is some amount of not disturbing the other patrons, though....
    Probably so. Humans are just noisy, but need to be respectful of the other person.

    Indeed. :)

    ... What is a pet peeve? Do you have one? What do they eat?

    Probably they eat contentment... leaving one discontented with the situation.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Jun 13 12:42:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    BTW, there was a breech in the floodwall at Burlington, IA, late
    yesterday afternoon, flooding into their downtown. I've been bad and
    not seen the news/looked online to see the extent of their damage.
    Problem was the sand has soaked in water since April, so over two
    months, and none of the temporary flood walls in the region have gone
    through that length of use.
    And there just comes a time that it can't hold any more....
    Unfortunately right. I could make guesses about why the failure;
    quite sure there are a few teams of people with all sort of degrees and experience looking into it.
    And hopefully they will come up with solutions and better flood defenses... :)

    Hopefully. One side effect from the flooding will be the removal of decorative planters which are in the median. I'm not sure what they
    were initially installed to do -- they look OK, but not great. Not to
    keep on-coming headlights out of the eyes. Anyway, with the flooding
    they found it bit more challenging to install the HESCO barriers because
    the barriers were in the way. Haven't heard if the planters will be
    moved elsewhere or what will become of them.


    Nobody was expecting record flood levels and duration... Hopefully it
    will just be a case of needing to dry out.... In the meantime, the
    eaglets may grow up and fly away.... ;)
    Yes: missing their growing up, but as you said no one was anticipating
    the flooding to last this long. From what I recall of the posts
    indicated the 'box' the hardware is in can be submurged for a while
    but after a while the water leaks in. Remember reading something
    indicating they could tell the water was coming in and starting to
    cause problems.
    Hopefully next year will be better.... :)
    Hopefully! And I'd guess a few changes would be made such as mounting
    the box that leaked higher. ...Another one of my little what-if
    exercises as I have no idea of location, contents, etc., etc.
    Probably lots of people will be engaged in re-thinking things due
    to this years record flooding events.... :)

    Like those planters! Yes, I'm thinking there might be a lot of changes.
    LIS in a little while back, the railroad(s) elevated their tracks and Davenport has to work around that to allow cars over the tracks.
    Generally just can't pile a dumptruck full of dirt on either side,
    grade, pave and call it good: have to consider longer trucks which would 'bridge' and have wheels in the shallow and the trailer body resting on
    the tracks.

    The discussion on various options for a permanent floodwall has come up
    again -- the big item causing a 'no' is the view along the River. I
    don't know the geography well enough but perhaps a combination of
    sections of permanent walls with sections of the temporary walls
    (permanent posts, insert panels between when necessary) along with the
    HESCO barriers at coross street intersections would work.


    ... What is a pet peeve? Do you have one? What do they eat?
    Probably they eat contentment... leaving one discontented with
    the situation.... ;)

    Need to find one to eat discontent.



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Jun 27 15:23:40 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 13-Jun-2019 12:42 <=-

    BTW, there was a breech in the floodwall at Burlington, IA, late
    yesterday afternoon, flooding into their downtown. I've been bad and
    not seen the news/looked online to see the extent of their damage.
    Problem was the sand has soaked in water since April, so over two
    months, and none of the temporary flood walls in the region have gone
    through that length of use.
    And there just comes a time that it can't hold any more....
    Unfortunately right. I could make guesses about why the failure;
    quite sure there are a few teams of people with all sort of degrees
    and experience looking into it.
    And hopefully they will come up with solutions and better flood
    defenses... :)
    Hopefully.

    And hopefully there are solutions to be found... :)

    One side effect from the flooding will be the removal of
    decorative planters which are in the median. I'm not sure what they
    were initially installed to do -- they look OK, but not great. Not to keep on-coming headlights out of the eyes. Anyway, with the flooding
    they found it bit more challenging to install the HESCO barriers
    because the barriers were in the way. Haven't heard if the planters
    will be moved elsewhere or what will become of them.

    They were a nice idea on paper, maybe they needed more attention than
    they were able to be given... They were probably just someone's idea of beautification... :) Maybe they'll be moved somewhere more practical...

    Nobody was expecting record flood levels and duration... Hopefully it
    will just be a case of needing to dry out.... In the meantime, the
    eaglets may grow up and fly away.... ;)
    Yes: missing their growing up, but as you said no one was anticipating
    the flooding to last this long. From what I recall of the posts
    indicated the 'box' the hardware is in can be submurged for a while
    but after a while the water leaks in. Remember reading something
    indicating they could tell the water was coming in and starting to
    cause problems.
    Hopefully next year will be better.... :)
    Hopefully! And I'd guess a few changes would be made such as mounting
    the box that leaked higher. ...Another one of my little what-if
    exercises as I have no idea of location, contents, etc., etc.
    Probably lots of people will be engaged in re-thinking things due
    to this years record flooding events.... :)
    Like those planters! Yes, I'm thinking there might be a lot of
    changes. LIS in a little while back, the railroad(s) elevated their
    tracks and Davenport has to work around that to allow cars over the tracks. Generally just can't pile a dumptruck full of dirt on either
    side, grade, pave and call it good: have to consider longer trucks
    which would 'bridge' and have wheels in the shallow and the trailer
    body resting on the tracks.

    Yup, lots of issues to consider....

    The discussion on various options for a permanent floodwall has come
    up again -- the big item causing a 'no' is the view along the River. I don't know the geography well enough but perhaps a combination of
    sections of permanent walls with sections of the temporary walls (permanent posts, insert panels between when necessary) along with the HESCO barriers at cross street intersections would work.

    Sounds plausible.... I'll agree that it's a shame to lose the view of
    the River... but one does need to control things somewhat when the River
    is endangering....

    ... What is a pet peeve? Do you have one? What do they eat?
    Probably they eat contentment... leaving one discontented with
    the situation.... ;)
    Need to find one to eat discontent.

    Ah, but peeves are peevish.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jun 28 08:38:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    BTW, there was a breech in the floodwall at Burlington, IA, late
    yesterday afternoon, flooding into their downtown. I've been bad and
    not seen the news/looked online to see the extent of their damage.
    Problem was the sand has soaked in water since April, so over two
    months, and none of the temporary flood walls in the region have gone
    through that length of use.
    And there just comes a time that it can't hold any more....
    Unfortunately right. I could make guesses about why the failure;
    quite sure there are a few teams of people with all sort of degrees
    and experience looking into it.
    And hopefully they will come up with solutions and better flood
    defenses... :)
    Hopefully.
    And hopefully there are solutions to be found... :)

    Getting to the solution is the interesting part. One of the primary
    issues is a permanent flood wall would block the view of the River at
    the parks, etc. Elevating the land would be an option - until they see
    how expensive that and collateral would be! I'm thinking the temporary floodwalls with permanant posts and insert the panels would be one of
    the better options.


    One side effect from the flooding will be the removal of
    decorative planters which are in the median. I'm not sure what they
    were initially installed to do -- they look OK, but not great. Not to keep on-coming headlights out of the eyes. Anyway, with the flooding
    they found it bit more challenging to install the HESCO barriers
    because the barriers were in the way. Haven't heard if the planters
    will be moved elsewhere or what will become of them.
    They were a nice idea on paper, maybe they needed more attention
    than they were able to be given... They were probably just
    someone's idea of beautification... :) Maybe they'll be moved
    somewhere more practical...

    I think it was part of a beautification project - and probably looked
    nice on paper/screen but in real life looked so-so. Maybe end up inside
    a section of permanent floodwall!!


    exercises as I have no idea of location, contents, etc., etc.
    Probably lots of people will be engaged in re-thinking things due
    to this years record flooding events.... :)
    Like those planters! Yes, I'm thinking there might be a lot of
    changes. LIS in a little while back, the railroad(s) elevated their
    tracks and Davenport has to work around that to allow cars over the tracks. Generally just can't pile a dumptruck full of dirt on either
    side, grade, pave and call it good: have to consider longer trucks
    which would 'bridge' and have wheels in the shallow and the trailer
    body resting on the tracks.
    Yup, lots of issues to consider....

    Did half-find out some more information, though doesn't make sense.
    There are laws which allow the railroads to elevate the tracks to allow
    the trains to continue to operate during flooding. Apparently when the flooding is done they have thirty days to bring the tracks back down to
    the original grade. So that would sound like it's just a temporary
    problem.

    The article continued on about the railroad and City of Davenport
    negotiating re: various railroad crossings in the downtown area to
    essential close them -- whatever proposed would have also blocked
    pedestrian crossing, not just vehicular. I'll admit at this point I was
    too confused.



    The discussion on various options for a permanent floodwall has come
    up again -- the big item causing a 'no' is the view along the River. I don't know the geography well enough but perhaps a combination of
    sections of permanent walls with sections of the temporary walls (permanent posts, insert panels between when necessary) along with the HESCO barriers at cross street intersections would work.
    Sounds plausible.... I'll agree that it's a shame to lose the
    view of the River... but one does need to control things somewhat
    when the River is endangering....

    Pretty much right. The section I'm more familiar with is from
    Bettendorf to the eastern boarder of downtown Davenport. Decades ago,
    maybe part of the WPA, the road was moved in from the River, and so
    elevated. The stone wall barrier which appears to be built to keep
    drivers from going off the road is really part of the flood wall.
    Between the road and the River are railroad tracks, a levee to protect
    the tracks from lower-level flooding, and a public area with a walking
    and bicycle trail, a few picnic areas, some shade-tree fishign areas,
    etc.

    Downtown and the downriver side is where all the flood issues are.



    ... What is a pet peeve? Do you have one? What do they eat?
    Probably they eat contentment... leaving one discontented with
    the situation.... ;)
    Need to find one to eat discontent.
    Ah, but peeves are peevish.... ;)

    So if peeves are picky does that mean they're related to porcupines?



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