• Miss.RvrDamBreach-Davenpt

    From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to All on Tue Apr 30 18:12:00 2019

    Hi Folks!

    There was a breech in the temporary dams set up around downtown
    Davenport IA approximately 4 p.m. Tuesday afternoon. River waters
    flooding up to Second and Third Streets, may get as high as Fourth St.
    Anyone interested in seeing the local coverage probably go www.KWQC.COM
    and click on various appropriate video stories.

    As I recall river levels were approximately just under 22', record-
    flood level was 22.6 feet in 1993. The flooding has been for over 50
    days.

    I'm fine: about five miles upriver plus on a bluff.

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  • From Mike Powell@454:1/105 to BARRY MARTIN on Thu May 2 19:18:00 2019
    I'm fine: about five miles upriver plus on a bluff.

    That is good to know.

    Does anyone know if it is also flooding around St. Louis?

    Mike

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat May 4 01:23:50 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to All on 30-Apr-2019 18:12 <=-

    Hi Folks!

    There was a breech in the temporary dams set up around downtown
    Davenport IA approximately 4 p.m. Tuesday afternoon. River waters flooding up to Second and Third Streets, may get as high as Fourth St. Anyone interested in seeing the local coverage probably go
    www.KWQC.COM and click on various appropriate video stories.

    That's been big enough news I've been hearing reports of it on my radio
    station which only has NPR headline news... mentioning Davenport by
    name....

    As I recall river levels were approximately just under 22', record-
    flood level was 22.6 feet in 1993. The flooding has been for over 50 days.

    You might set another record for river level, at this rate....

    I'm fine: about five miles upriver plus on a bluff.

    Very good news... hope your grocery store is close enough and high
    enough that you'll be able to stay supplied.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Mike Powell on Fri May 3 07:59:00 2019

    Hi Mike!

    I'm fine: about five miles upriver plus on a bluff.
    That is good to know.

    As I am telling Nancy, living on a hill is good! <g>


    BTW, locally the Mississippi River crested at 22.70 feet yesterday,
    beating the 1993 record. and over 40 days at above-flood levels.

    Does anyone know if it is also flooding around St. Louis?

    Out of curiosity I checked. Local news has commented on flooding
    downriver but not detailed.

    First Google hit was from Fox2Now.com, apparently a TV station in St.
    Louis:

    ST. LOUIS - The fast-rising Mississippi River is nearing levels unseen
    since a historic 1993 flood, threatening levees and forcing people
    living near the bulging Big Muddy to move to higher ground.

    Parts of downtown Davenport, Iowa, remain underwater after the river
    tore through a temporary barrier. By Thursday, the river was within
    inches of the 1993 all-time high, and expected to top it.

    Two Mississippi River bridges, one at Quincy, Illinois, and another at
    Louisiana, Missouri, have been forced to close.

    In West Alton, Missouri, 20 miles north of St. Louis, the 500 or so
    residents were under a voluntary evacuation as the river was expected to
    crest a half-foot higher than the levee can hold. Officials say the
    levee is so long that sandbagging isn't an option.

    ...Trying to find a flood level. Next hit is from KMOV, a CBS station
    in St. Louis and their post was essentially identical to the one from
    FOX. The FOX station locally is also affiliated with the CBS station,
    sharing on-air.

    OK: looks like the current flood level at St. Louis is 35.4 feet, a
    litle over 7' less than their 1993 level. (May 3rd - early morning.) I
    didn't find what their base flood level height was.



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to MIKE POWELL on Fri May 3 17:13:00 2019
    Mike,

    Does anyone know if it is also flooding around St. Louis?

    Go to weather.gov -- and click on the St. Louis area. The website for
    the National Weather Service office in St. Louis should come up...and
    look for the link on "Rivers And Lakes". There is a lot of river
    flooding in Arkansas...and much of the Mississippi River has been high
    much of the spring.

    Daryl

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  • From Mike Powell@454:1/105 to BARRY MARTIN on Sat May 4 15:53:00 2019
    OK: looks like the current flood level at St. Louis is 35.4 feet, a
    litle over 7' less than their 1993 level. (May 3rd - early morning.) I didn't find what their base flood level height was.

    Thanks. I may have a eye witness report in a couple of days. :)

    Mike

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat May 4 10:01:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    There was a breech in the temporary dams set up around downtown
    Davenport IA approximately 4 p.m. Tuesday afternoon. River waters flooding up to Second and Third Streets, may get as high as Fourth St. Anyone interested in seeing the local coverage probably go
    www.KWQC.COM and click on various appropriate video stories.
    That's been big enough news I've been hearing reports of it on my
    radio station which only has NPR headline news... mentioning
    Davenport by name....

    Half-figured it would get national if not international attention; did.


    As I recall river levels were approximately just under 22', record-
    flood level was 22.6 feet in 1993. The flooding has been for over 50 days.
    You might set another record for river level, at this rate....

    And we did at 22.70 feet. There is more rain next week but shouldn't
    cause a higher level locally, just means it wil be longer before the
    River subsides.


    I'm fine: about five miles upriver plus on a bluff.
    Very good news... hope your grocery store is close enough and
    high enough that you'll be able to stay supplied.... ;)

    Oh yes: most of the area is on hills/bluffs, so most is safe. Even four
    or five blocks in from the River is safe -- may be pumping out the
    basements, but the street level is dry. First several blocks are the
    ones with the first floors in water.

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Sun May 5 13:00:00 2019
    Barry,

    BTW, locally the Mississippi River crested at 22.70 feet yesterday, BM>beating the 1993 record. and over 40 days at above-flood levels.

    I was in the St. Louis area in 1993, when the National Square Dance Convention was there. We literally "danced under The Arch". Just days
    after the convention was over, that entire area "under The Arch" was
    submerged.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Mike Powell on Sun May 5 07:50:00 2019

    Hi Mike!

    OK: looks like the current flood level at St. Louis is 35.4 feet, a
    litle over 7' less than their 1993 level. (May 3rd - early morning.) I didn't find what their base flood level height was.
    Thanks. I may have a eye witness report in a couple of days. :)

    Bring waders!

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  • From Mike Powell@454:1/105 to BARRY MARTIN on Mon May 6 17:16:00 2019
    OK: looks like the current flood level at St. Louis is 35.4 feet, a
    litle over 7' less than their 1993 level. (May 3rd - early morning.) I didn't find what their base flood level height was.
    Thanks. I may have a eye witness report in a couple of days. :)

    Bring waders!

    <GRIN> It is definately high in St. Louis. I could not really tell at
    first from where I am but, when I went to visit the Arch park, you could
    tell. The water is up high enough that whatever road it is that runs
    between the park and the river is closed as it is completely under. There
    is a statue of what I assume are Lewis and Clark. One of them only has
    their head above water, while the other is only slightly better off. The
    water is up into the park in places, and the Eads Bridge is not near as
    high off of the water as it normally would be.

    River is fast, too. Even if it was not flooded here, there is evidence
    that it is flooded somewhere up river from here... there is debris and an occassional uprooted tree floating by at a pretty good clip (for water
    flow).

    Mike

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Mon May 6 07:41:00 2019

    Hi Daryl!

    BTW, locally the Mississippi River crested at 22.70 feet yesterday,
    beating the 1993 record. and over 40 days at above-flood levels.
    I was in the St. Louis area in 1993, when the National Square
    Dance Convention was there. We literally "danced under The Arch".
    Just days after the convention was over, that entire area "under
    The Arch" was submerged.

    That was good timing!

    The water level has gone down some but still a long way to go. Weekend
    was nice: today some scattered showers and pretty much the rest of the
    week.


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Mike Powell on Tue May 7 09:49:00 2019

    Hi Mike!

    OK: looks like the current flood level at St. Louis is 35.4 feet, a
    litle over 7' less than their 1993 level. (May 3rd - early morning.) I didn't find what their base flood level height was.
    Thanks. I may have a eye witness report in a couple of days. :)
    Bring waders!
    <GRIN> It is definately high in St. Louis. I could not really
    tell at first from where I am but, when I went to visit the Arch
    park, you could tell. The water is up high enough that whatever
    road it is that runs between the park and the river is closed as
    it is completely under. There is a statue of what I assume are
    Lewis and Clark. One of them only has their head above water,
    while the other is only slightly better off. The water is up
    into the park in places, and the Eads Bridge is not near as high
    off of the water as it normally would be.

    I haven't looked at webcams for there but you're probably right. And
    the further south one goes the deeper the Mississippi River is
    naturally, so higher flood levels. The start adding all that extra water
    from here and plus the water collected by other sections of the country
    -- glug glug!



    River is fast, too. Even if it was not flooded here, there is
    evidence that it is flooded somewhere up river from here... there
    is debris and an occassional uprooted tree floating by at a
    pretty good clip (for water flow).

    Yes: I haven't seen a speed of flow as in knots or miles per hour.
    <trying to find> ...OK, side-trip: the Mississippi River is 3' deep at
    the headwater in MN and over 200' deep in New Orleans. I think the
    normal level is 9' and know flood is 15' locally. ...Have seen the
    speed in past, just can't find it now.


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  • From Mike Powell@454:1/105 to BARRY MARTIN on Wed May 8 19:31:00 2019
    Yes: I haven't seen a speed of flow as in knots or miles per hour.
    <trying to find> ...OK, side-trip: the Mississippi River is 3' deep at
    the headwater in MN and over 200' deep in New Orleans. I think the
    normal level is 9' and know flood is 15' locally. ...Have seen the
    speed in past, just can't find it now.

    IIRC the Army Corp of Engineers may have deepened it in the NO area so that ocean vessels could navigate the river so far inland.

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    Why am I thinking a shifting and drifting toupee?!

    Dunno... although it may be graying, my hair has never been thin. :)

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Mike Powell on Thu May 9 07:55:00 2019

    Hi Mike!

    Yes: I haven't seen a speed of flow as in knots or miles per hour.
    <trying to find> ...OK, side-trip: the Mississippi River is 3' deep at
    the headwater in MN and over 200' deep in New Orleans. I think the
    normal level is 9' and know flood is 15' locally. ...Have seen the
    speed in past, just can't find it now.
    IIRC the Army Corp of Engineers may have deepened it in the NO
    area so that ocean vessels could navigate the river so far
    inland.

    Possible: here have been dredging projects up here to make the channel
    deeper.


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    Why am I thinking a shifting and drifting toupee?!
    Dunno... although it may be graying, my hair has never been thin.
    :)

    I suppose being a fat hair is better than a fathead! <g>


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun May 12 11:03:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    As I recall river levels were approximately just under 22', record-
    flood level was 22.6 feet in 1993. The flooding has been for over 50
    days.
    You might set another record for river level, at this rate....
    And we did at 22.70 feet. There is more rain next week but shouldn't cause a higher level locally, just means it wil be longer before the
    River subsides.
    It'll just keep it up at record levels... Definitely one for the
    books in more ways than one....

    Right now highest and longest-lasting. Water is receeding but still a
    few feet above flood stage. ...News segment on someone locally did
    install their own removeable flood wall around their home: "schedule 40"
    steel I-beams (apparently super-strong) sunk into a concrete footing;
    what looked like planks laid horizontally between the posts. Rubber
    tarp to waterproof. Says takes about five hours to assemble and
    disassemble with the help of friends.


    I'm fine: about five miles upriver plus on a bluff.
    Very good news... hope your grocery store is close enough and
    high enough that you'll be able to stay supplied.... ;)
    Oh yes: most of the area is on hills/bluffs, so most is safe. Even
    four or five blocks in from the River is safe -- may be pumping out the basements, but the street level is dry. First several blocks are the
    ones with the first floors in water.
    That's good news, if still a bit scary for those in the flood
    zone...

    Definitely! They tend to prepare: sandbags, elevate/remove items. The
    people and businesses Downtown were prepared for the normal flooding:
    may have sandbagged the regular river-facing side and opened a rear
    entrance.


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    That sounds like a Dr. Suess book that I remember reading to my
    son, lo these many years ago.... :)

    Good thing he didn't extend the concepts too far into his architecture!



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon May 20 20:03:26 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 12-May-2019 11:03 <=-

    You might set another record for river level, at this rate....
    And we did at 22.70 feet. There is more rain next week but shouldn't
    cause a higher level locally, just means it wil be longer before the
    River subsides.
    It'll just keep it up at record levels... Definitely one for the books
    in more ways than one....
    Right now highest and longest-lasting. Water is receeding but still a
    few feet above flood stage. ...News segment on someone locally did install their own removeable flood wall around their home: "schedule
    40" steel I-beams (apparently super-strong) sunk into a concrete
    footing; what looked like planks laid horizontally between the posts. Rubber tarp to waterproof. Says takes about five hours to assemble and disassemble with the help of friends.

    Very enterprising indeed... :)

    I'm fine: about five miles upriver plus on a bluff.
    Very good news... hope your grocery store is close enough and
    high enough that you'll be able to stay supplied.... ;)
    Oh yes: most of the area is on hills/bluffs, so most is safe. Even
    four or five blocks in from the River is safe -- may be pumping out the
    basements, but the street level is dry. First several blocks are the
    ones with the first floors in water.
    That's good news, if still a bit scary for those in the flood zone...
    Definitely! They tend to prepare: sandbags, elevate/remove items.
    The people and businesses Downtown were prepared for the normal
    flooding: may have sandbagged the regular river-facing side and opened
    a rear entrance.

    With the record flooding, did the water overflow their sandbagging...?

    ... ¨umop apisdn pue tno apisuI
    That sounds like a Dr. Suess book that I remember reading to my
    son, lo these many years ago.... :)
    Good thing he didn't extend the concepts too far into his
    architecture!

    Oh.. you mean my son's architecture...? I was thinking, "but Dr. Suess
    wrote books, he wasn't an architect"... ;) At one point, he might have tried... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Tue May 21 15:09:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    You might set another record for river level, at this rate....
    And we did at 22.70 feet. There is more rain next week but shouldn't
    cause a higher level locally, just means it wil be longer before the
    River subsides.
    It'll just keep it up at record levels... Definitely one for the books
    in more ways than one....
    Right now highest and longest-lasting. Water is receeding but still a
    few feet above flood stage. ...News segment on someone locally did install their own removeable flood wall around their home: "schedule
    40" steel I-beams (apparently super-strong) sunk into a concrete
    footing; what looked like planks laid horizontally between the posts. Rubber tarp to waterproof. Says takes about five hours to assemble and disassemble with the help of friends.
    Very enterprising indeed... :)

    I hope he hadn't started to disassemble yet as they're predicting flood
    levels for the next several weeks.

    News item this morning sayign some of the farmers have sold them grain
    and other crops but haven't been paid since December (it's May 21 a s I
    write this -- you know how some threads linger!). The crops, etc., have
    been sold, the problem is the barges can't travel on the various rivers
    to transport to the buyers because of the flooding.


    I'm fine: about five miles upriver plus on a bluff.
    Very good news... hope your grocery store is close enough and
    high enough that you'll be able to stay supplied.... ;)
    Oh yes: most of the area is on hills/bluffs, so most is safe. Even
    four or five blocks in from the River is safe -- may be pumping out the
    basements, but the street level is dry. First several blocks are the
    ones with the first floors in water.
    That's good news, if still a bit scary for those in the flood zone...
    Definitely! They tend to prepare: sandbags, elevate/remove items.
    The people and businesses Downtown were prepared for the normal
    flooding: may have sandbagged the regular river-facing side and opened
    a rear entrance.
    With the record flooding, did the water overflow their
    sandbagging...?

    For the most part yes. Problem wasn't a lack of planning but a lack of
    time. Normally flooding is slow: there will be sandbags along the
    perimeter except for say a walkway to the entrance. With the breech zero
    time to close the gap.


    ... ¨umop apisdn pue tno apisuI
    That sounds like a Dr. Suess book that I remember reading to my
    son, lo these many years ago.... :)
    Good thing he didn't extend the concepts too far into his
    architecture!
    Oh.. you mean my son's architecture...? I was thinking, "but Dr.
    Suess wrote books, he wasn't an architect"... ;) At one point,
    he might have tried... <G>

    Was thinking more of strange/non-traditional designs: put in windows at
    random angles, random blocks of colour, maybe multi-level roofs, etc.

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  • From Mike Powell@454:1/105 to BARRY MARTIN on Wed May 22 19:24:00 2019
    News item this morning sayign some of the farmers have sold them grain
    and other crops but haven't been paid since December (it's May 21 a s I
    write this -- you know how some threads linger!). The crops, etc., have
    been sold, the problem is the barges can't travel on the various rivers
    to transport to the buyers because of the flooding.


    I did notice that there did not appear to be any barge traffic moving on
    the Mississippi when I was in St. Louis a couple of weeks ago. Lots of
    fast moving trees and parts of trees, though.

    Mike

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to MIKE POWELL on Thu May 23 08:01:00 2019
    Mike,

    I did notice that there did not appear to be any barge traffic moving on MP>the Mississippi when I was in St. Louis a couple of weeks ago. Lots of MP>fast moving trees and parts of trees, though.

    There's a Small Craft Advisory on the Arkansas River, due to high
    flows. Major or record crests are occurring or forecast all the way down
    the river from Tulsa to Arkansas City. The one exception is Little Rock,
    where it's close to flood stage, but it hasn't been that bad here since
    1990, when it went 5 feet above flood stage at Little Rock...or back in
    1927, when the flood washed away two railroad trestles.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Mike Powell on Thu May 23 08:33:00 2019

    Hi Mike!

    News item this morning sayign some of the farmers have sold them grain
    and other crops but haven't been paid since December (it's May 21 a s I write this -- you know how some threads linger!). The crops, etc., have been sold, the problem is the barges can't travel on the various rivers
    to transport to the buyers because of the flooding.
    I did notice that there did not appear to be any barge traffic
    moving on the Mississippi when I was in St. Louis a couple of
    weeks ago. Lots of fast moving trees and parts of trees, though.

    And those can make quite a dent!

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon May 27 14:35:12 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 21-May-2019 15:09 <=-

    Been away for my Spring Board Meeting at the Pond... now getting back to messages... :)

    Right now highest and longest-lasting. Water is receeding but still a
    few feet above flood stage. ...News segment on someone locally did
    install their own removeable flood wall around their home: "schedule
    40" steel I-beams (apparently super-strong) sunk into a concrete
    footing; what looked like planks laid horizontally between the posts.
    Rubber tarp to waterproof. Says takes about five hours to assemble and
    disassemble with the help of friends.
    Very enterprising indeed... :)
    I hope he hadn't started to disassemble yet as they're predicting
    flood levels for the next several weeks.

    Indeed. Did you hear anything about that....?

    News item this morning saying some of the farmers have sold their grain and other crops but haven't been paid since December (it's May 21 as
    I write this -- you know how some threads linger!). The crops, etc.,
    have been sold, the problem is the barges can't travel on the various rivers to transport to the buyers because of the flooding.

    (and it's May 27 as I reply... there is indeed a lag) Hopefully the
    crops and grain aren't going bad in the meantime... That's tough on the farmers.... the flooding affects them in multiple ways....

    I'm fine: about five miles upriver plus on a bluff.
    Very good news... hope your grocery store is close enough and
    high enough that you'll be able to stay supplied.... ;)
    Oh yes: most of the area is on hills/bluffs, so most is safe. Even
    four or five blocks in from the River is safe -- may be pumping out the
    basements, but the street level is dry. First several blocks are the
    ones with the first floors in water.
    That's good news, if still a bit scary for those in the flood zone...
    Definitely! They tend to prepare: sandbags, elevate/remove items.
    The people and businesses Downtown were prepared for the normal
    flooding: may have sandbagged the regular river-facing side and opened
    a rear entrance.
    With the record flooding, did the water overflow their sandbagging...?
    For the most part yes. Problem wasn't a lack of planning but a lack
    of time. Normally flooding is slow: there will be sandbags along the perimeter except for say a walkway to the entrance. With the breech
    zero time to close the gap.

    More like a flash flood in a dry gulch, or a dam break... one minute
    nothing and the next overwhelming...

    ... ¨umop apisdn pue tno apisuI
    That sounds like a Dr. Suess book that I remember reading to my
    son, lo these many years ago.... :)
    Good thing he didn't extend the concepts too far into his
    architecture!
    Oh.. you mean my son's architecture...? I was thinking, "but Dr.
    Suess wrote books, he wasn't an architect"... ;) At one point,
    he might have tried... <G>
    Was thinking more of strange/non-traditional designs: put in windows
    at random angles, random blocks of colour, maybe multi-level roofs, etc.

    The last maybe, not so much the other two... a student design project he
    did was of a municipal building made in the shape of a stingray, the
    library in one wingfin and offices/small meeting rooms in the other, with
    a larger meeting room in the point... all the walls were curved...
    looked quite workable and impressive... That, though, was the one for
    which I reminded him that librarians needed a sink in their workroom,
    something he hadn't thought about... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Tue May 28 09:17:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    Been away for my Spring Board Meeting at the Pond... now getting
    back to messages... :)

    Ah! Hopefully got some spend some fun time at the cabin too.


    Right now highest and longest-lasting. Water is receeding but still a
    few feet above flood stage. ...News segment on someone locally did
    install their own removeable flood wall around their home: "schedule
    40" steel I-beams (apparently super-strong) sunk into a concrete
    footing; what looked like planks laid horizontally between the posts.
    Rubber tarp to waterproof. Says takes about five hours to assemble and
    disassemble with the help of friends.
    Very enterprising indeed... :)
    I hope he hadn't started to disassemble yet as they're predicting
    flood levels for the next several weeks.
    Indeed. Did you hear anything about that....?

    No. And the river levels have gone up and down -- seems mostly up -
    with all the rain we have had, locally and in the region. Was doing
    some testing of the new recording system for TV and caught a local news
    item of a car going through a major pooling caused by a downpour: water
    was almost to the hood of the car; they're lucky they didn't stall out.


    News item this morning saying some of the farmers have sold their grain and other crops but haven't been paid since December (it's May 21 as
    I write this -- you know how some threads linger!). The crops, etc.,
    have been sold, the problem is the barges can't travel on the various rivers to transport to the buyers because of the flooding.
    (and it's May 27 as I reply... there is indeed a lag) Hopefully
    the crops and grain aren't going bad in the meantime... That's
    tough on the farmers.... the flooding affects them in multiple
    ways....

    They didn't mention anything about a deterioration over time -- I
    suppose if kept dry grains would be OK for a while. You're probably
    thinking the same as I about the expiration dates on products like
    flour. Differences between whole and processed, but still doesn't last forever.


    Definitely! They tend to prepare: sandbags, elevate/remove items.
    The people and businesses Downtown were prepared for the normal
    flooding: may have sandbagged the regular river-facing side and opened
    a rear entrance.
    With the record flooding, did the water overflow their sandbagging...?
    For the most part yes. Problem wasn't a lack of planning but a lack
    of time. Normally flooding is slow: there will be sandbags along the perimeter except for say a walkway to the entrance. With the breech
    zero time to close the gap.
    More like a flash flood in a dry gulch, or a dam break... one
    minute nothing and the next overwhelming...

    Pretty much, yes.


    ... ¨umop apisdn pue tno apisuI
    That sounds like a Dr. Suess book that I remember reading to my
    son, lo these many years ago.... :)
    Good thing he didn't extend the concepts too far into his
    architecture!
    Oh.. you mean my son's architecture...? I was thinking, "but Dr.
    Suess wrote books, he wasn't an architect"... ;) At one point,
    he might have tried... <G>
    Was thinking more of strange/non-traditional designs: put in windows
    at random angles, random blocks of colour, maybe multi-level roofs, etc.
    The last maybe, not so much the other two... a student design
    project he did was of a municipal building made in the shape of a stingray, the library in one wingfin and offices/small meeting
    rooms in the other, with a larger meeting room in the point...
    all the walls were curved... looked quite workable and
    impressive... That, though, was the one for which I reminded him
    that librarians needed a sink in their workroom, something he
    hadn't thought about... :)

    Always a good idea to consult with the people who are going to be using
    the place! Don't know why that reminded me but at one of my doctors'
    offices they have the 'computer stuff' in the corner, with a four socket eletrical outlet (good: outlet for the computer, outlet for the monitor,
    atthis point two spares). The port for the Ethernet is about five or
    six feet away -- why?


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri May 31 15:19:10 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 28-May-2019 09:17 <=-

    Been away for my Spring Board Meeting at the Pond... now getting
    back to messages... :)
    Ah! Hopefully got some spend some fun time at the cabin too.

    Well, it was just an overnight... and I spent some time taking care of
    sorting out stuff... :) Got up there too late to do any swimming, and
    the morning wasn't conducive either... But I did have a nice long visit
    with a friend up there the evening I got up there... :)

    Right now highest and longest-lasting. Water is receeding but still a
    few feet above flood stage. ...News segment on someone locally did
    install their own removeable flood wall around their home: "schedule
    40" steel I-beams (apparently super-strong) sunk into a concrete
    footing; what looked like planks laid horizontally between the posts.
    Rubber tarp to waterproof. Says takes about five hours to assemble and
    disassemble with the help of friends.
    Very enterprising indeed... :)
    I hope he hadn't started to disassemble yet as they're predicting
    flood levels for the next several weeks.
    Indeed. Did you hear anything about that....?
    No. And the river levels have gone up and down -- seems mostly up -
    with all the rain we have had, locally and in the region. Was doing
    some testing of the new recording system for TV and caught a local
    news item of a car going through a major pooling caused by a downpour: water was almost to the hood of the car; they're lucky they didn't
    stall out.

    For sure... and lucky that it wasn't deeper yet.... The weather services
    make a big deal about not driving into flooded areas... that being a
    major source of flood-related deaths....

    News item this morning saying some of the farmers have sold their grain
    and other crops but haven't been paid since December (it's May 21 as
    I write this -- you know how some threads linger!). The crops, etc.,
    have been sold, the problem is the barges can't travel on the various
    rivers to transport to the buyers because of the flooding.
    (and it's May 27 as I reply... there is indeed a lag) Hopefully the
    crops and grain aren't going bad in the meantime... That's tough on
    the farmers.... the flooding affects them in multiple ways....
    They didn't mention anything about a deterioration over time -- I
    suppose if kept dry grains would be OK for a while. You're probably thinking the same as I about the expiration dates on products like
    flour. Differences between whole and processed, but still doesn't
    last forever.

    No, not so much thinking about processed/exp dates as that if the grains
    did get wet, they could get moldy... and once some crops (produce) are
    picked, they start to deteriorate more quickly than if still on the
    plant....

    ... ¨umop apisdn pue tno apisuI
    That sounds like a Dr. Suess book that I remember reading to my
    son, lo these many years ago.... :)
    Good thing he didn't extend the concepts too far into his
    architecture!
    Oh.. you mean my son's architecture...? I was thinking, "but Dr.
    Suess wrote books, he wasn't an architect"... ;) At one point,
    he might have tried... <G>
    Was thinking more of strange/non-traditional designs: put in windows
    at random angles, random blocks of colour, maybe multi-level roofs, etc.
    The last maybe, not so much the other two... a student design
    project he did was of a municipal building made in the shape of a
    stingray, the library in one wingfin and offices/small meeting rooms
    in the other, with a larger meeting room in the point... all the walls
    were curved... looked quite workable and impressive... That, though,
    was the one for which I reminded him that librarians needed a sink in
    their workroom, something he hadn't thought about... :)
    Always a good idea to consult with the people who are going to be
    using the place!

    That was pretty much the point of my bringing that up to him... A later
    student design project, a "what-if" for an actual professor, he went and
    talked with the guy for what would be helpful... when he showed him his finished project, the guy wished there really had been funding for the project... ;)

    Don't know why that reminded me but at one of my doctors' offices they have the 'computer stuff' in the corner, with a four socket electrical outlet (good: outlet for the computer, outlet for the monitor, at this point two spares). The port for the Ethernet is about five or six
    feet away -- why?

    Planning wasn't coordinated, it would appear.... Unless there were
    reasons that the Ethernet port HAD to be where it was....

    ... He who laughs when things go wrong has found someone to blame.

    Or had something to do with it going wrong....? ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jun 1 08:50:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    Yup: was a little soggy here in May: the longest dry spell was two
    consecutive days, otherwise it rained.


    Been away for my Spring Board Meeting at the Pond... now getting
    back to messages... :)
    Ah! Hopefully got some spend some fun time at the cabin too.
    Well, it was just an overnight... and I spent some time taking
    care of sorting out stuff... :) Got up there too late to do any swimming, and the morning wasn't conducive either... But I did
    have a nice long visit with a friend up there the evening I got
    up there... :)

    That helped to make it all worthwhile! :)


    And the river levels have gone up and down -- seems mostly up -
    with all the rain we have had, locally and in the region. Was doing
    some testing of the new recording system for TV and caught a local
    news item of a car going through a major pooling caused by a downpour: water was almost to the hood of the car; they're lucky they didn't
    stall out.
    For sure... and lucky that it wasn't deeper yet.... The weather
    services make a big deal about not driving into flooded areas...
    that being a major source of flood-related deaths....

    The local news has also, in fact one of the graphics frequently seen in
    the weather segment is the sawhorse barracade with the "Turn Around,
    Don't Drown" sign on it, and usually pointed to and commented. As for
    the car that went through the street pooling, didn't make an attempt to
    slow dowm. I'm still surprised made it through.


    News item this morning saying some of the farmers have sold their grain
    and other crops but haven't been paid since December (it's May 21 as
    I write this -- you know how some threads linger!). The crops, etc.,
    have been sold, the problem is the barges can't travel on the various
    rivers to transport to the buyers because of the flooding.
    (and it's May 27 as I reply... there is indeed a lag) Hopefully the
    crops and grain aren't going bad in the meantime... That's tough on
    the farmers.... the flooding affects them in multiple ways....
    They didn't mention anything about a deterioration over time -- I
    suppose if kept dry grains would be OK for a while. You're probably thinking the same as I about the expiration dates on products like
    flour. Differences between whole and processed, but still doesn't
    last forever.
    No, not so much thinking about processed/exp dates as that if the
    grains did get wet, they could get moldy... and once some crops
    (produce) are picked, they start to deteriorate more quickly than
    if still on the plant....

    They could almost wait until next St. Patrick's Day: it's already green!


    ... ¨umop apisdn pue tno apisuI
    That sounds like a Dr. Suess book that I remember reading to my
    son, lo these many years ago.... :)
    Good thing he didn't extend the concepts too far into his
    architecture!
    Oh.. you mean my son's architecture...? I was thinking, "but Dr.
    Suess wrote books, he wasn't an architect"... ;) At one point,
    he might have tried... <G>
    Was thinking more of strange/non-traditional designs: put in windows
    at random angles, random blocks of colour, maybe multi-level roofs, etc.
    The last maybe, not so much the other two... a student design
    project he did was of a municipal building made in the shape of a
    stingray, the library in one wingfin and offices/small meeting rooms
    in the other, with a larger meeting room in the point... all the walls
    were curved... looked quite workable and impressive... That, though,
    was the one for which I reminded him that librarians needed a sink in
    their workroom, something he hadn't thought about... :)
    Always a good idea to consult with the people who are going to be
    using the place!
    That was pretty much the point of my bringing that up to him... A
    later student design project, a "what-if" for an actual
    professor, he went and talked with the guy for what would be
    helpful... when he showed him his finished project, the guy
    wished there really had been funding for the project... ;)

    That was a good compliment!


    Don't know why that reminded me but at one of my doctors' offices they have the 'computer stuff' in the corner, with a four socket electrical outlet (good: outlet for the computer, outlet for the monitor, at this point two spares). The port for the Ethernet is about five or six
    feet away -- why?
    Planning wasn't coordinated, it would appear.... Unless there
    were reasons that the Ethernet port HAD to be where it was....

    AFAIK no: the facilty was built from scratch.


    ... He who laughs when things go wrong has found someone to blame.
    Or had something to do with it going wrong....? ;)

    ... <Chuckle> <g>


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Jun 6 23:54:54 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 01-Jun-2019 08:50 <=-

    Yup: was a little soggy here in May: the longest dry spell was two
    consecutive days, otherwise it rained.

    Hmmmm.... April showers bring May flowers... Do May showers bring June flowers....? Or just June bugs.... <G>

    Been away for my Spring Board Meeting at the Pond... now getting
    back to messages... :)
    Ah! Hopefully got to spend some fun time at the cabin too.
    Well, it was just an overnight... and I spent some time taking care
    of sorting out stuff... :) Got up there too late to do any swimming,
    and the morning wasn't conducive either... But I did have a nice long
    visit with a friend up there the evening I got up there... :)
    That helped to make it all worthwhile! :)

    Yup. :) And I'll be heading back up there again, the end of next week,
    by way of the Montreal Airport to pick up my son... Not sure how long
    exactly I'll be away this time... he needs to get his Jeep (that he
    stored up there) up and running before I can really leave him to his own devices... Won't have internet access there, either... but will bring
    the laptop with me and do some catching up on messages to upload when I
    get home.... :)

    And the river levels have gone up and down -- seems mostly up -
    with all the rain we have had, locally and in the region. Was doing
    some testing of the new recording system for TV and caught a local
    news item of a car going through a major pooling caused by a downpour:
    water was almost to the hood of the car; they're lucky they didn't
    stall out.
    For sure... and lucky that it wasn't deeper yet.... The weather
    services make a big deal about not driving into flooded areas...
    that being a major source of flood-related deaths....
    The local news has also, in fact one of the graphics frequently seen
    in the weather segment is the sawhorse barracade with the "Turn Around, Don't Drown" sign on it, and usually pointed to and commented. As for
    the car that went through the street pooling, didn't make an attempt
    to slow dowm. I'm still surprised made it through.

    At least it wasn't moving water, that might have been a bigger issue...
    And probably not slowing down is how it managed to not be stopped...

    Was thinking more of strange/non-traditional designs: put in windows
    at random angles, random blocks of colour, maybe multi-level roofs, etc.
    The last maybe, not so much the other two... a student design
    project he did was of a municipal building made in the shape of a
    stingray, the library in one wingfin and offices/small meeting rooms
    in the other, with a larger meeting room in the point... all the walls
    were curved... looked quite workable and impressive... That, though,
    was the one for which I reminded him that librarians needed a sink in
    their workroom, something he hadn't thought about... :)
    Always a good idea to consult with the people who are going to be
    using the place!
    That was pretty much the point of my bringing that up to him... A
    later student design project, a "what-if" for an actual professor,
    he went and talked with the guy for what would be helpful... when he
    showed him his finished project, the guy wished there really had been
    funding for the project... ;)
    That was a good compliment!

    My reaction as well... :)

    Don't know why that reminded me but at one of my doctors' offices they
    have the 'computer stuff' in the corner, with a four socket electrical
    outlet (good: outlet for the computer, outlet for the monitor, at this
    point two spares). The port for the Ethernet is about five or six
    feet away -- why?
    Planning wasn't coordinated, it would appear.... Unless there
    were reasons that the Ethernet port HAD to be where it was....
    AFAIK no: the facilty was built from scratch.

    Still might have been somebody's reasoning for where it was.... but
    probably just a lack of really thinking things through.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jun 7 08:44:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    Yup: was a little soggy here in May: the longest dry spell was two
    consecutive days, otherwise it rained.
    Hmmmm.... April showers bring May flowers... Do May showers bring
    June flowers....? Or just June bugs.... <G>

    Around here June brings May Flies - seriously! Litle nuisances always
    show up a monlth later than thair name implies -- just another thing to
    cite in my theory the calendar is off a month!


    Been away for my Spring Board Meeting at the Pond... now getting
    back to messages... :)
    Ah! Hopefully got to spend some fun time at the cabin too.
    Well, it was just an overnight... and I spent some time taking care
    of sorting out stuff... :) Got up there too late to do any swimming,
    and the morning wasn't conducive either... But I did have a nice long
    visit with a friend up there the evening I got up there... :)
    That helped to make it all worthwhile! :)
    Yup. :) And I'll be heading back up there again, the end of
    next week, by way of the Montreal Airport to pick up my son...
    Not sure how long exactly I'll be away this time... he needs to
    get his Jeep (that he stored up there) up and running before I
    can really leave him to his own devices... Won't have internet
    access there, either... but will bring the laptop with me and do
    some catching up on messages to upload when I get home.... :)

    So we may experience a drought of messages and than a flood of them!!


    And the river levels have gone up and down -- seems mostly up -
    with all the rain we have had, locally and in the region. Was doing
    some testing of the new recording system for TV and caught a local
    news item of a car going through a major pooling caused by a downpour:
    water was almost to the hood of the car; they're lucky they didn't
    stall out.
    For sure... and lucky that it wasn't deeper yet.... The weather
    services make a big deal about not driving into flooded areas...
    that being a major source of flood-related deaths....
    The local news has also, in fact one of the graphics frequently seen
    in the weather segment is the sawhorse barracade with the "Turn Around, Don't Drown" sign on it, and usually pointed to and commented. As for
    the car that went through the street pooling, didn't make an attempt
    to slow dowm. I'm still surprised made it through.
    At least it wasn't moving water, that might have been a bigger
    issue... And probably not slowing down is how it managed to not
    be stopped...

    If that car had gone through moving water (like a flooded bridge) may
    have been in a LOT of trouble, especially if up to the hood! Water
    would have been flowing perpendicular to the car's travel, more than
    like pushed the car against the guard rail and possibly flipping
    over.... No, not a good scenario. :(

    As for not slowing down in the scenario that did occur, the momentum
    probably did help the car get through. ...I'm just still surprised the electrical system didn't short out.



    Don't know why that reminded me but at one of my doctors' offices they
    have the 'computer stuff' in the corner, with a four socket electrical
    outlet (good: outlet for the computer, outlet for the monitor, at this
    point two spares). The port for the Ethernet is about five or six
    feet away -- why?
    Planning wasn't coordinated, it would appear.... Unless there
    were reasons that the Ethernet port HAD to be where it was....
    AFAIK no: the facilty was built from scratch.
    Still might have been somebody's reasoning for where it was....
    but probably just a lack of really thinking things through.... :)

    I'm thinking closer to (b). To my way of thinking the semi-logical
    scenario is the instructions were "put the port in the middle of the
    wall". If one adds 'with the cluster where the computer stand would go'
    and 'middle' as vertical distance then would be where the port should
    have been installed. Otherwise "middle of the wall" considered
    horizontally is roughtly where the ports were installed (in various exam rooms). At least the ports were installed on the same wall as the
    computer and not on the opposite one!!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue Jun 11 14:45:16 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 07-Jun-2019 08:44 <=-

    Yup: was a little soggy here in May: the longest dry spell was two
    consecutive days, otherwise it rained.
    Hmmmm.... April showers bring May flowers... Do May showers bring
    June flowers....? Or just June bugs.... <G>
    Around here June brings May Flies - seriously! Little nuisances always show up a month later than thair name implies -- just another thing
    to cite in my theory the calendar is off a month!

    They'd be larvae in May....? <G>

    Yup. :) And I'll be heading back up there again, the end of next
    week, by way of the Montreal Airport to pick up my son... Not sure how
    long exactly I'll be away this time... he needs to get his Jeep (that
    he stored up there) up and running before I can really leave him to
    his own devices... Won't have internet access there, either... but
    will bring the laptop with me and do some catching up on messages to
    upload when I get home.... :)
    So we may experience a drought of messages and than a flood of them!!

    Possibly... :) And then another drought as I try to get caught up with
    the packets after my return.... <G>

    And the river levels have gone up and down -- seems mostly up -
    with all the rain we have had, locally and in the region. Was doing
    some testing of the new recording system for TV and caught a local
    news item of a car going through a major pooling caused by a downpour:
    water was almost to the hood of the car; they're lucky they didn't
    stall out.
    For sure... and lucky that it wasn't deeper yet.... The weather
    services make a big deal about not driving into flooded areas...
    that being a major source of flood-related deaths....
    The local news has also, in fact one of the graphics frequently seen
    in the weather segment is the sawhorse barracade with the "Turn Around,
    Don't Drown" sign on it, and usually pointed to and commented. As for
    the car that went through the street pooling, didn't make an attempt
    to slow dowm. I'm still surprised made it through.
    At least it wasn't moving water, that might have been a bigger issue...
    And probably not slowing down is how it managed to not be stopped...
    If that car had gone through moving water (like a flooded bridge) may
    have been in a LOT of trouble, especially if up to the hood! Water
    would have been flowing perpendicular to the car's travel, more than
    like pushed the car against the guard rail and possibly flipping
    over.... No, not a good scenario. :(

    It doesn't take much.... especially when the water is pushing....

    As for not slowing down in the scenario that did occur, the momentum probably did help the car get through. ...I'm just still surprised
    the electrical system didn't short out.

    They were just lucky....

    Don't know why that reminded me but at one of my doctors' offices they
    have the 'computer stuff' in the corner, with a four socket electrical
    outlet (good: outlet for the computer, outlet for the monitor, at this
    point two spares). The port for the Ethernet is about five or six
    feet away -- why?
    Planning wasn't coordinated, it would appear.... Unless there
    were reasons that the Ethernet port HAD to be where it was....
    AFAIK no: the facilty was built from scratch.
    Still might have been somebody's reasoning for where it was....
    but probably just a lack of really thinking things through.... :)
    I'm thinking closer to (b). To my way of thinking the semi-logical scenario is the instructions were "put the port in the middle of the wall". If one adds 'with the cluster where the computer stand would
    go' and 'middle' as vertical distance then would be where the port
    should have been installed. Otherwise "middle of the wall" considered horizontally is roughly where the ports were installed (in various
    exam rooms). At least the ports were installed on the same wall as the computer and not on the opposite one!!

    It could have been worse.... :) I'd guess another factor might have
    been that it was two different people/teams installing the electrical
    systems and the Ethernet....

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed Jun 12 08:45:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    More strange weather scheduled for today: 61ø currently, high supposed
    to be only 71ø. And of course rain on and off this morning. Then only
    the mid-60's for the highs the next few days! I'm half-expecting to see
    a snow icon!


    Yup: was a little soggy here in May: the longest dry spell was two
    consecutive days, otherwise it rained.
    Hmmmm.... April showers bring May flowers... Do May showers bring
    June flowers....? Or just June bugs.... <G>
    Around here June brings May Flies - seriously! Little nuisances always show up a month later than thair name implies -- just another thing
    to cite in my theory the calendar is off a month!
    They'd be larvae in May....? <G>

    Well, that would work..... :)


    Yup. :) And I'll be heading back up there again, the end of next
    week, by way of the Montreal Airport to pick up my son... Not sure how
    long exactly I'll be away this time... he needs to get his Jeep (that
    he stored up there) up and running before I can really leave him to
    his own devices... Won't have internet access there, either... but
    will bring the laptop with me and do some catching up on messages to
    upload when I get home.... :)
    So we may experience a drought of messages and than a flood of them!!
    Possibly... :) And then another drought as I try to get caught
    up with the packets after my return.... <G>

    We'll make it!


    And the river levels have gone up and down -- seems mostly up -
    with all the rain we have had, locally and in the region. Was doing
    some testing of the new recording system for TV and caught a local
    news item of a car going through a major pooling caused by a downpour:
    water was almost to the hood of the car; they're lucky they didn't
    stall out.
    For sure... and lucky that it wasn't deeper yet.... The weather
    services make a big deal about not driving into flooded areas...
    that being a major source of flood-related deaths....
    The local news has also, in fact one of the graphics frequently seen
    in the weather segment is the sawhorse barracade with the "Turn Around,
    Don't Drown" sign on it, and usually pointed to and commented. As for
    the car that went through the street pooling, didn't make an attempt
    to slow dowm. I'm still surprised made it through.
    At least it wasn't moving water, that might have been a bigger issue...
    And probably not slowing down is how it managed to not be stopped...
    If that car had gone through moving water (like a flooded bridge) may
    have been in a LOT of trouble, especially if up to the hood! Water
    would have been flowing perpendicular to the car's travel, more than
    like pushed the car against the guard rail and possibly flipping
    over.... No, not a good scenario. :(
    It doesn't take much.... especially when the water is pushing....

    True. And then add the push of any wind to make the situation worse.



    As for not slowing down in the scenario that did occur, the momentum probably did help the car get through. ...I'm just still surprised
    the electrical system didn't short out.
    They were just lucky....

    In a word, yes. Still don't know how they got through, especially after
    that incident years ago I went through that overgrown puddle and my
    engine immediately started knocking, etc. (Storm drain blocked, cars to
    my left, cars immediately behind, curb on the right - car wash!)


    Don't know why that reminded me but at one of my doctors' offices they
    have the 'computer stuff' in the corner, with a four socket electrical
    outlet (good: outlet for the computer, outlet for the monitor, at this
    point two spares). The port for the Ethernet is about five or six
    feet away -- why?
    Planning wasn't coordinated, it would appear.... Unless there
    were reasons that the Ethernet port HAD to be where it was....
    AFAIK no: the facilty was built from scratch.
    Still might have been somebody's reasoning for where it was....
    but probably just a lack of really thinking things through.... :)
    I'm thinking closer to (b). To my way of thinking the semi-logical scenario is the instructions were "put the port in the middle of the wall". If one adds 'with the cluster where the computer stand would
    go' and 'middle' as vertical distance then would be where the port
    should have been installed. Otherwise "middle of the wall" considered horizontally is roughly where the ports were installed (in various
    exam rooms). At least the ports were installed on the same wall as the computer and not on the opposite one!!
    It could have been worse.... :) I'd guess another factor might
    have been that it was two different people/teams installing the
    electrical systems and the Ethernet....

    Quite probably two different contractors. ...I'll have to 'snoop' on
    the telephone location: wall phone, but to me in an inconvenient location
    as no where near the computer stand. LIS, the phone is in an odd
    location; now I'm wondering if it is located on the wall exactly across
    from the Ethernet wall plate. ...More things that make me go hmmmm. <g>



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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jun 22 11:37:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    We had similar... and then a couple of days with highs in the low
    80s... and now a monster rain storm... but no thunder or
    lightning... One of the other property owners was out on the Pond
    in her kayak during the storm...

    Hmm: around here we sometimes just boat in the flooded streets!


    Yup: was a little soggy here in May: the longest dry spell was two
    consecutive days, otherwise it rained.
    Hmmmm.... April showers bring May flowers... Do May showers bring
    June flowers....? Or just June bugs.... <G>
    Around here June brings May Flies - seriously! Little nuisances always
    show up a month later than thair name implies -- just another thing
    to cite in my theory the calendar is off a month!
    They'd be larvae in May....? <G>
    Well, that would work..... :)
    True.... that's what I figured.... My son says that May showers
    bring June flooding.... but I'd guess that it's more June showers
    bringing the flooding....

    We just flood! Good news is we're probably done with being flooded
    unless there is a big rainstorm and nothing predicted.


    Yup. :) And I'll be heading back up there again, the end of next
    week, by way of the Montreal Airport to pick up my son... Not sure how
    long exactly I'll be away this time... he needs to get his Jeep (that
    he stored up there) up and running before I can really leave him to
    his own devices... Won't have internet access there, either... but
    will bring the laptop with me and do some catching up on messages to
    upload when I get home.... :)
    So we may experience a drought of messages and than a flood of them!!
    Possibly... :) And then another drought as I try to get caught
    up with the packets after my return.... <G>
    We'll make it!
    Probably... :) I'm currently on the last packet I brought with
    me, downloaded the night before I left to come up here... :)

    Here comes the flood of replies! ...Between finishing my replies and
    startign a new one have checked to see if anything from my helper in New Zealand on the copying of not-yet-watched TV shows from the old Backend
    system to the new one. Combination of him helping me and me helping him
    as he had previously written the programme just more or less needed
    someone to check a few details: things can work fine on a local system
    but don't realize I don't have a utility file he does, or a variable
    isn't populating quite right, etc.


    At least it wasn't moving water, that might have been a bigger issue...
    And probably not slowing down is how it managed to not be stopped...
    If that car had gone through moving water (like a flooded bridge) may
    have been in a LOT of trouble, especially if up to the hood! Water
    would have been flowing perpendicular to the car's travel, more than
    like pushed the car against the guard rail and possibly flipping
    over.... No, not a good scenario. :(
    It doesn't take much.... especially when the water is pushing....
    True. And then add the push of any wind to make the situation worse.
    Yup, that would make things even worse....

    So the key is just stay out of potential problem areas! Though not
    always possible like with my little incident of having to drive through
    that big puddle.

    As for not slowing down in the scenario that did occur, the momentum
    probably did help the car get through. ...I'm just still surprised
    the electrical system didn't short out.
    They were just lucky....
    In a word, yes. Still don't know how they got through, especially
    after that incident years ago I went through that overgrown puddle and
    my engine immediately started knocking, etc. (Storm drain blocked,
    cars to my left, cars immediately behind, curb on the right - car
    wash!)
    You didn't have much choice there....

    Nope. Just firmly grasp the steering wheel as the car will pull and
    hope!


    Still might have been somebody's reasoning for where it was....
    but probably just a lack of really thinking things through.... :)
    I'm thinking closer to (b). To my way of thinking the semi-logical
    scenario is the instructions were "put the port in the middle of the
    wall". If one adds 'with the cluster where the computer stand would
    go' and 'middle' as vertical distance then would be where the port
    should have been installed. Otherwise "middle of the wall" considered
    horizontally is roughly where the ports were installed (in various
    exam rooms). At least the ports were installed on the same wall as the
    computer and not on the opposite one!!
    It could have been worse.... :) I'd guess another factor might
    have been that it was two different people/teams installing the
    electrical systems and the Ethernet....
    Quite probably two different contractors. ...I'll have to 'snoop' on
    the telephone location: wall phone, but to me in an inconvenient
    location as no where near the computer stand. LIS, the phone is in an
    odd location; now I'm wondering if it is located on the wall exactly across from the Ethernet wall plate. ...More things that make me go hmmmm. <g>
    Someday your curiosity will get you in trouble... <G> But this
    could be an interesting excursion.... ;)

    Did check: the phones are in a not-too-convenient position but don't
    seem to correlate with the Ethernet jack positioning. ...So far avoided getting in too much trouble!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue Jul 2 15:29:14 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 22-Jun-2019 11:37 <=-

    We had similar... and then a couple of days with highs in the low
    80s... and now a monster rain storm... but no thunder or
    lightning... One of the other property owners was out on the Pond
    in her kayak during the storm...
    Hmm: around here we sometimes just boat in the flooded streets!

    Which, fortunately are no longer flooded.... :)

    Hmmmm.... April showers bring May flowers... Do May showers bring
    June flowers....? Or just June bugs.... <G>
    Around here June brings May Flies - seriously! Little nuisances
    always show up a month later than thair name implies -- just another
    thing to cite in my theory the calendar is off a month!
    They'd be larvae in May....? <G>
    Well, that would work..... :)
    True.... that's what I figured.... My son says that May showers
    bring June flooding.... but I'd guess that it's more June showers
    bringing the flooding....
    We just flood! Good news is we're probably done with being flooded
    unless there is a big rainstorm and nothing predicted.

    And about time, too.... :)

    So we may experience a drought of messages and than a flood of them!!
    Possibly... :) And then another drought as I try to get caught
    up with the packets after my return.... <G>
    We'll make it!
    Probably... :) I'm currently on the last packet I brought with
    me, downloaded the night before I left to come up here... :)
    Here comes the flood of replies!

    Yup... and then the predicted drought and then again flood.... and now
    I'll be off again for almost a week, again at the Pond... I'll just keep plodding away at messages and try to not be too far behind... ;)

    ...Between finishing my replies and
    starting a new one have checked to see if anything from my helper in
    New Zealand on the copying of not-yet-watched TV shows from the old Backend system to the new one. Combination of him helping me and me helping him as he had previously written the programme just more or
    less needed someone to check a few details: things can work fine on a local system but don't realize I don't have a utility file he does, or
    a variable isn't populating quite right, etc.

    Works out as a good thing for both of you.... :)

    At least it wasn't moving water, that might have been a bigger issue...
    And probably not slowing down is how it managed to not be stopped...
    If that car had gone through moving water (like a flooded bridge) may
    have been in a LOT of trouble, especially if up to the hood! Water
    would have been flowing perpendicular to the car's travel, more than
    like pushed the car against the guard rail and possibly flipping
    over.... No, not a good scenario. :(
    It doesn't take much.... especially when the water is pushing....
    True. And then add the push of any wind to make the situation worse.
    Yup, that would make things even worse....
    So the key is just stay out of potential problem areas! Though not
    always possible like with my little incident of having to drive
    through that big puddle.

    Most of that can be avoided though, with just a little planning and knowledge... though I ended up once needing to drive through a deeper
    than expected puddle on the highway following that major storm in MD
    that I had windshield wiper issues in... Got back on the road, and just
    a little farther down was that puddle... with cars driving through it...
    no place to go to avoid it... ;)

    In a word, yes. Still don't know how they got through, especially
    after that incident years ago I went through that overgrown puddle and
    my engine immediately started knocking, etc. (Storm drain blocked,
    cars to my left, cars immediately behind, curb on the right - car
    wash!)
    You didn't have much choice there....
    Nope. Just firmly grasp the steering wheel as the car will pull and
    hope!

    Yup... :)

    It could have been worse.... :) I'd guess another factor might
    have been that it was two different people/teams installing the
    electrical systems and the Ethernet....
    Quite probably two different contractors. ...I'll have to 'snoop' on
    the telephone location: wall phone, but to me in an inconvenient
    location as no where near the computer stand. LIS, the phone is in an
    odd location; now I'm wondering if it is located on the wall exactly
    across from the Ethernet wall plate. ...More things that make me go
    hmmmm. <g>
    Someday your curiosity will get you in trouble... <G> But this
    could be an interesting excursion.... ;)
    Did check: the phones are in a not-too-convenient position but don't
    seem to correlate with the Ethernet jack positioning. ...So far
    avoided getting in too much trouble!

    You were able to snoop surreptitiously, apparently.... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed Jul 3 16:03:00 2019

    Hi Nncy!

    We had similar... and then a couple of days with highs in the low
    80s... and now a monster rain storm... but no thunder or
    lightning... One of the other property owners was out on the Pond
    in her kayak during the storm...
    Hmm: around here we sometimes just boat in the flooded streets!
    Which, fortunately are no longer flooded.... :)

    True, though that almost hurricane-like storm Sunday late afternoon
    possibly could have started flooding a few streets! Though would not
    have been adviseable to go boating even for experienced pilots!


    Hmmmm.... April showers bring May flowers... Do May showers bring
    June flowers....? Or just June bugs.... <G>
    Around here June brings May Flies - seriously! Little nuisances
    always show up a month later than thair name implies -- just another
    thing to cite in my theory the calendar is off a month!
    They'd be larvae in May....? <G>
    Well, that would work..... :)
    True.... that's what I figured.... My son says that May showers
    bring June flooding.... but I'd guess that it's more June showers
    bringing the flooding....
    We just flood! Good news is we're probably done with being flooded
    unless there is a big rainstorm and nothing predicted.
    And about time, too.... :)

    True: just over a quarter of the year! 96 days IIRC!

    Thought we heard the sump pump empty early this morning.


    So we may experience a drought of messages and than a flood of them!!
    Possibly... :) And then another drought as I try to get caught
    up with the packets after my return.... <G>
    We'll make it!
    Probably... :) I'm currently on the last packet I brought with
    me, downloaded the night before I left to come up here... :)
    Here comes the flood of replies!
    Yup... and then the predicted drought and then again flood....
    and now I'll be off again for almost a week, again at the Pond...
    I'll just keep plodding away at messages and try to not be too
    far behind... ;)

    And I'll be in your shoes shortly -- stretching them out, I'm sure
    (sorry! <g>) as off to New Hampshire and then Vienna for a month total.



    ...Between finishing my replies and
    starting a new one have checked to see if anything from my helper in
    New Zealand on the copying of not-yet-watched TV shows from the old Backend system to the new one. Combination of him helping me and me helping him as he had previously written the programme just more or
    less needed someone to check a few details: things can work fine on a local system but don't realize I don't have a utility file he does, or
    a variable isn't populating quite right, etc.
    Works out as a good thing for both of you.... :)

    Yes, that's what I figure. In one way I get the better of the deal
    because he's customizing the instructions for what I have here. And he
    gets to test his utility on a live and 'raw' system and make corrections/comments. LIS, I've needed to install a few utility files.
    he's needed to make permissions/file ownership alterations.

    The good news is I think we're about ready to do the full transfer of
    TV show files from the old system to the new. (Yea!!) Waiting for the
    system to be available currently (the export/import process will pause
    itself when a show is being recorded so as to not 'overflow' the
    read/write channels and cause corruption).



    At least it wasn't moving water, that might have been a bigger
    issue... NB>>>> And probably not slowing down is how it managed
    to not be stopped... BM>>> If that car had gone through moving
    water (like a flooded bridge) may BM>>> have been in a LOT of
    trouble, especially if up to the hood! Water BM>>> would have
    been flowing perpendicular to the car's travel, more than BM>>>
    like pushed the car against the guard rail and possibly flipping
    over.... No, not a good scenario. :(
    It doesn't take much.... especially when the water is pushing....
    True. And then add the push of any wind to make the situation worse.
    Yup, that would make things even worse....
    So the key is just stay out of potential problem areas! Though not
    always possible like with my little incident of having to drive
    through that big puddle.
    Most of that can be avoided though, with just a little planning
    and knowledge... though I ended up once needing to drive through
    a deeper than expected puddle on the highway following that major
    storm in MD that I had windshield wiper issues in... Got back on
    the road, and just a little farther down was that puddle... with
    cars driving through it... no place to go to avoid it... ;)

    Yup: sometimes just can't do anything. In our separate instances had to
    drive through the puddle else cause an accident. In my case grasp the steering wheel firmly as know there's going to be a sudden and sharp
    pull. Pay attention to the road plus look for an escape -- in my case
    there was a street a little beyond I could turn on to but that's a
    sharp right and if the engine dies I don't have power steering, brakes,
    etc. A little further was a gas station -- could at least do a 45ø turn
    and have a little longer distance to stop. Ended up not needing either: chugged (litterally!) on to my dr's appointment.



    It could have been worse.... :) I'd guess another factor might
    have been that it was two different people/teams installing the
    electrical systems and the Ethernet....
    Quite probably two different contractors. ...I'll have to 'snoop' on
    the telephone location: wall phone, but to me in an inconvenient
    location as no where near the computer stand. LIS, the phone is in an
    odd location; now I'm wondering if it is located on the wall exactly
    across from the Ethernet wall plate. ...More things that make me go
    hmmmm. <g>
    Someday your curiosity will get you in trouble... <G> But this
    could be an interesting excursion.... ;)
    Did check: the phones are in a not-too-convenient position but don't
    seem to correlate with the Ethernet jack positioning. ...So far
    avoided getting in too much trouble!
    You were able to snoop surreptitiously, apparently.... <G>

    Uh-huh! <sly smile>


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon Jul 29 17:17:22 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 03-Jul-2019 16:03 <=-

    Probably... :) I'm currently on the last packet I brought with
    me, downloaded the night before I left to come up here... :)
    Here comes the flood of replies!
    Yup... and then the predicted drought and then again flood....
    and now I'll be off again for almost a week, again at the Pond...
    I'll just keep plodding away at messages and try to not be too
    far behind... ;)
    And I'll be in your shoes shortly -- stretching them out, I'm sure
    (sorry! <g>) as off to New Hampshire and then Vienna for a month
    total.

    And now soon to return, to find your deluge to answer.... ;) It's been
    bad enough for me that I was away for about 3 weeks out of 5 (from June
    14 to July 20)... close to being caught up now, admittedly I've not
    rushed on these replies to you... but pretty current otherwise at the
    moment... and then a couple weeks still before I'm off again...

    ...Between finishing my replies and
    starting a new one have checked to see if anything from my helper in
    New Zealand on the copying of not-yet-watched TV shows from the old
    Backend system to the new one. Combination of him helping me and me
    helping him as he had previously written the programme just more or
    less needed someone to check a few details: things can work fine on a
    local system but don't realize I don't have a utility file he does, or
    a variable isn't populating quite right, etc.
    Works out as a good thing for both of you.... :)
    Yes, that's what I figure. In one way I get the better of the deal because he's customizing the instructions for what I have here. And
    he gets to test his utility on a live and 'raw' system and make corrections/comments. LIS, I've needed to install a few utility
    files. he's needed to make permissions/file ownership alterations.

    He'll have a more robust piece of software, you'll have a nice working utility.... :)

    The good news is I think we're about ready to do the full transfer of
    TV show files from the old system to the new. (Yea!!) Waiting for
    the system to be available currently (the export/import process will
    pause itself when a show is being recorded so as to not 'overflow' the read/write channels and cause corruption).

    Sounds promising... :)

    So the key is just stay out of potential problem areas! Though not
    always possible like with my little incident of having to drive
    through that big puddle.
    Most of that can be avoided though, with just a little planning
    and knowledge... though I ended up once needing to drive through
    a deeper than expected puddle on the highway following that major
    storm in MD that I had windshield wiper issues in... Got back on
    the road, and just a little farther down was that puddle... with
    cars driving through it... no place to go to avoid it... ;)
    Yup: sometimes just can't do anything. In our separate instances had
    to drive through the puddle else cause an accident. In my case grasp
    the steering wheel firmly as know there's going to be a sudden and
    sharp pull. Pay attention to the road plus look for an escape -- in my case there was a street a little beyond I could turn on to but that's a sharp right and if the engine dies I don't have power steering,
    brakes, etc. A little further was a gas station -- could at least do a 45ø turn and have a little longer distance to stop. Ended up not
    needing either: chugged (litterally!) on to my dr's appointment.

    Things all worked out nicely after all... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed Aug 14 09:11:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!


    Probably... :) I'm currently on the last packet I brought with
    me, downloaded the night before I left to come up here... :)
    Here comes the flood of replies!
    Yup... and then the predicted drought and then again flood....
    and now I'll be off again for almost a week, again at the Pond...
    I'll just keep plodding away at messages and try to not be too
    far behind... ;)
    And I'll be in your shoes shortly -- stretching them out, I'm sure
    (sorry! <g>) as off to New Hampshire and then Vienna for a month
    total.
    And now soon to return, to find your deluge to answer.... ;)

    <snortle> The good news is I did break up the replies into smaller
    chunks, mainly to not potentially overload my side, but also good
    stopping points.


    It's been bad enough for me that I was away for about 3 weeks out
    of 5 (from June 14 to July 20)... close to being caught up now,
    admittedly I've not rushed on these replies to you... but pretty
    current otherwise at the moment... and then a couple weeks still
    before I'm off again...

    As I said sometime before, the REPs should be a pleasurable option, not
    a dutiful requirement.


    ...Between finishing my replies and
    starting a new one have checked to see if anything from my helper in
    New Zealand on the copying of not-yet-watched TV shows from the old
    Backend system to the new one. Combination of him helping me and me
    helping him as he had previously written the programme just more or
    less needed someone to check a few details: things can work fine on a
    local system but don't realize I don't have a utility file he does, or
    a variable isn't populating quite right, etc.
    Works out as a good thing for both of you.... :)
    Yes, that's what I figure. In one way I get the better of the deal because he's customizing the instructions for what I have here. And
    he gets to test his utility on a live and 'raw' system and make corrections/comments. LIS, I've needed to install a few utility
    files. he's needed to make permissions/file ownership alterations.
    He'll have a more robust piece of software, you'll have a nice
    working utility.... :)

    True, though on my end the utilty is a one-function one: the source and destination, file locations, etc., are hard-coded into the software,
    though I think written in Python so would just need to use a text editor
    to update. I only vaguely understand so at this point easier to leave
    all corrections up to him -- plus if I make a change isn't in the
    'master' for eventual distribution.


    The good news is I think we're about ready to do the full transfer of
    TV show files from the old system to the new. (Yea!!) Waiting for
    the system to be available currently (the export/import process will
    pause itself when a show is being recorded so as to not 'overflow' the read/write channels and cause corruption).
    Sounds promising... :)

    I'll admit to being amazed at the details, forethought, etc. Possibly
    due to 'oh poop!' events that happened years ago when he first started creating this set of utilities <g>, but still.

    And it does work: just before I left I done some testing with larger
    chunks: move over all shows from Channel 8_3, for instance. (The file
    names have the channel included.) Couple of 'specific channel' tests,
    passed. Got 'brave' and tried copying over the remainder: only real difference was instead of a batch of maybe twenty or thirty files was
    over a hundred files. Passed. :)

    I didn't have time to update the hardware: update the Frontends (viewing computers) to the current Ubuntu (18.04.3) and the MythTV utility so
    left alone. Good news for our testing is Backend 2 (the old/original
    computer doing the recording and storage) is still recording shows and
    so can be used for our final testing.


    So the key is just stay out of potential problem areas! Though not
    always possible like with my little incident of having to drive
    through that big puddle.
    Most of that can be avoided though, with just a little planning
    and knowledge... though I ended up once needing to drive through
    a deeper than expected puddle on the highway following that major
    storm in MD that I had windshield wiper issues in... Got back on
    the road, and just a little farther down was that puddle... with
    cars driving through it... no place to go to avoid it... ;)
    Yup: sometimes just can't do anything. In our separate instances had
    to drive through the puddle else cause an accident. In my case grasp
    the steering wheel firmly as know there's going to be a sudden and
    sharp pull. Pay attention to the road plus look for an escape -- in my case there was a street a little beyond I could turn on to but that's a sharp right and if the engine dies I don't have power steering,
    brakes, etc. A little further was a gas station -- could at least do a 45ø turn and have a little longer distance to stop. Ended up not
    needing either: chugged (litterally!) on to my dr's appointment.
    Things all worked out nicely after all... :)

    Yes, though I'd bet that doctor's appointment would have been a bad time
    to have done a blood pressure check!! (Wasn't done/necessary.) And I
    was surprised when the car started right up after my appointment. Was
    either still raining or had just stopped, forgot. Probably the heat of
    the engine and gravity pulling the splashed water down cleaned the wires
    and removed the short. And did have the car checked and the spark plug harness needed replacing: cracked insulation.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Aug 29 00:09:58 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 14-Aug-2019 09:11 <=-

    Probably... :) I'm currently on the last packet I brought with
    me, downloaded the night before I left to come up here... :)
    Here comes the flood of replies!
    Yup... and then the predicted drought and then again flood.... and
    now I'll be off again for almost a week, again at the Pond... I'll
    just keep plodding away at messages and try to not be too far
    behind... ;)
    And I'll be in your shoes shortly -- stretching them out, I'm sure
    (sorry! <g>) as off to New Hampshire and then Vienna for a month
    total.
    And now soon to return, to find your deluge to answer.... ;)
    <snortle> The good news is I did break up the replies into smaller chunks, mainly to not potentially overload my side, but also good
    stopping points.

    When I got back, I did tailor my packets a little... I was able to put
    the echoes from Tiny's that I would have messages in to reply to into
    one packet, and all the rest into another one... made the one to answer
    a little more wieldy than it would have been otherwise... :) Of course,
    I wasn't gone for a month.... :)

    It's been bad enough for me that I was away for about 3 weeks out
    of 5 (from June 14 to July 20)... close to being caught up now,
    admittedly I've not rushed on these replies to you... but pretty
    current otherwise at the moment... and then a couple weeks still
    before I'm off again...
    As I said sometime before, the REPs should be a pleasurable option,
    not a dutiful requirement.

    Oh, they are... and that's also why I don't get myself stressed out when
    it takes a while to plod thru them all... ;) If I get the last 6 to you
    from this packet answered tonight, I'll be able to tuck this packet
    away... and continue on to the ones that are more recent... :)

    Works out as a good thing for both of you.... :)
    Yes, that's what I figure. In one way I get the better of the deal
    because he's customizing the instructions for what I have here. And
    he gets to test his utility on a live and 'raw' system and make
    corrections/comments. LIS, I've needed to install a few utility
    files. he's needed to make permissions/file ownership alterations.
    He'll have a more robust piece of software, you'll have a nice
    working utility.... :)
    True, though on my end the utility is a one-function one: the source
    and destination, file locations, etc., are hard-coded into the
    software, though I think written in Python so would just need to use a text editor to update. I only vaguely understand so at this point
    easier to leave all corrections up to him -- plus if I make a change
    isn't in the 'master' for eventual distribution.

    One-function utilities aren't all that bad a thing... as long as they
    perform a function that you need to have done.... :)

    The good news is I think we're about ready to do the full transfer of
    TV show files from the old system to the new. (Yea!!) Waiting for
    the system to be available currently (the export/import process will
    pause itself when a show is being recorded so as to not 'overflow' the
    read/write channels and cause corruption).
    Sounds promising... :)
    I'll admit to being amazed at the details, forethought, etc. Possibly
    due to 'oh poop!' events that happened years ago when he first started creating this set of utilities <g>, but still.

    Good that he is able to figure it all out... :)

    And it does work: just before I left I done some testing with larger chunks: move over all shows from Channel 8_3, for instance. (The file names have the channel included.) Couple of 'specific channel' tests, passed. Got 'brave' and tried copying over the remainder: only real difference was instead of a batch of maybe twenty or thirty files was
    over a hundred files. Passed. :)

    Hurrah for that! And no doubt a major relief when it did pass... ;)

    I didn't have time to update the hardware: update the Frontends
    (viewing computers) to the current Ubuntu (18.04.3) and the MythTV
    utility so left alone. Good news for our testing is Backend 2 (the old/original computer doing the recording and storage) is still
    recording shows and so can be used for our final testing.

    Very useful... :) So, have you done that final testing yet, and
    updated the hardware...?

    Yup: sometimes just can't do anything. In our separate instances had
    to drive through the puddle else cause an accident. In my case grasp
    the steering wheel firmly as know there's going to be a sudden and
    sharp pull. Pay attention to the road plus look for an escape -- in my
    case there was a street a little beyond I could turn on to but that's a
    sharp right and if the engine dies I don't have power steering,
    brakes, etc. A little further was a gas station -- could at least do a
    45ø turn and have a little longer distance to stop. Ended up not
    needing either: chugged (literally!) on to my dr's appointment.
    Things all worked out nicely after all... :)
    Yes, though I'd bet that doctor's appointment would have been a bad
    time to have done a blood pressure check!! (Wasn't done/necessary.)

    Possibly... unless by the time you got into the office, you were so
    relieved to have made it safely that your whole body relaxed.... ;)

    And I was surprised when the car started right up after my appointment. Was either still raining or had just stopped, forgot. Probably the
    heat of the engine and gravity pulling the splashed water down cleaned
    the wires and removed the short. And did have the car checked and the spark plug harness needed replacing: cracked insulation.

    Which probably had been there before your forced puddle-drive... ;)
    Just as well to find it sooner than later, when it might have given you
    more grief... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Aug 29 19:32:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    Probably... :) I'm currently on the last packet I brought with
    me, downloaded the night before I left to come up here... :)
    Here comes the flood of replies!
    Yup... and then the predicted drought and then again flood.... and
    now I'll be off again for almost a week, again at the Pond... I'll
    just keep plodding away at messages and try to not be too far
    behind... ;)
    And I'll be in your shoes shortly -- stretching them out, I'm sure
    (sorry! <g>) as off to New Hampshire and then Vienna for a month
    total.
    And now soon to return, to find your deluge to answer.... ;)
    <snortle> The good news is I did break up the replies into smaller chunks, mainly to not potentially overload my side, but also good
    stopping points.
    When I got back, I did tailor my packets a little... I was able
    to put the echoes from Tiny's that I would have messages in to
    reply to into one packet, and all the rest into another one...
    made the one to answer a little more wieldy than it would have
    been otherwise... :) Of course, I wasn't gone for a month.... :)

    No, just a fraction of a month. :) It was easier for me to download all
    and work on it a little at a time. Pretty sure I have a maximum packet
    size set somewhere -- has been a while since fiddled with those
    settings.



    It's been bad enough for me that I was away for about 3 weeks out
    of 5 (from June 14 to July 20)... close to being caught up now,
    admittedly I've not rushed on these replies to you... but pretty
    current otherwise at the moment... and then a couple weeks still
    before I'm off again...
    As I said sometime before, the REPs should be a pleasurable option,
    not a dutiful requirement.
    Oh, they are... and that's also why I don't get myself stressed
    out when it takes a while to plod thru them all... ;) If I get
    the last 6 to you from this packet answered tonight, I'll be able
    to tuck this packet away... and continue on to the ones that are
    more recent... :)

    Yup: seemed a little funny to read of 4th of July in the earlier message
    with Labor Day coming up in a few days.


    Works out as a good thing for both of you.... :)
    Yes, that's what I figure. In one way I get the better of the deal
    because he's customizing the instructions for what I have here. And
    he gets to test his utility on a live and 'raw' system and make
    corrections/comments. LIS, I've needed to install a few utility
    files. he's needed to make permissions/file ownership alterations.
    He'll have a more robust piece of software, you'll have a nice
    working utility.... :)
    True, though on my end the utility is a one-function one: the source
    and destination, file locations, etc., are hard-coded into the
    software, though I think written in Python so would just need to use a text editor to update. I only vaguely understand so at this point
    easier to leave all corrections up to him -- plus if I make a change
    isn't in the 'master' for eventual distribution.
    One-function utilities aren't all that bad a thing... as long as
    they perform a function that you need to have done.... :)

    Yes, though for this utility it would seem to make more sense to have a configuration while the user would edit instead of editing the actual programme file. Essentially the same as the configuration file modifies
    the programme file, just I prefer not fiddling with the master.


    The good news is I think we're about ready to do the full transfer of
    TV show files from the old system to the new. (Yea!!) Waiting for
    the system to be available currently (the export/import process will
    pause itself when a show is being recorded so as to not 'overflow' the
    read/write channels and cause corruption).
    Sounds promising... :)
    I'll admit to being amazed at the details, forethought, etc. Possibly
    due to 'oh poop!' events that happened years ago when he first started creating this set of utilities <g>, but still.
    Good that he is able to figure it all out... :)

    LIS I think he's one of the developers though never stated anywhere and
    didn't make any difference - he knew the stuff was what mattered.

    BTW, the transferred files (from old system to new) work fine. The old Backend has been powered off for some time -- maybe only a week but
    seems longer! Still have to move the hardware around -- the new Backend
    is still on the floor and needs to be moved to the cabinet, but first
    need to make room on/in the cabinet....


    And it does work: just before I left I done some testing with larger chunks: move over all shows from Channel 8_3, for instance. (The file names have the channel included.) Couple of 'specific channel' tests, passed. Got 'brave' and tried copying over the remainder: only real difference was instead of a batch of maybe twenty or thirty files was
    over a hundred files. Passed. :)
    Hurrah for that! And no doubt a major relief when it did pass...
    ;)

    Yes. There's always the "it works on x-system but will it work on
    y-system?". He has (IIRC) 12 TB of storage, I 'only' 4 TB. And both of
    those numbers are 'wrong' as we really need to be looking at free space.
    For a short while I was using about half, so 2 TB. And the way the
    transfer utility worked is it only bit off small chunks: a single TV
    programme at a time, so usually no more than 2 GB; select, process, move
    over; select, process, move over....


    I didn't have time to update the hardware: update the Frontends
    (viewing computers) to the current Ubuntu (18.04.3) and the MythTV
    utility so left alone. Good news for our testing is Backend 2 (the old/original computer doing the recording and storage) is still
    recording shows and so can be used for our final testing.
    Very useful... :) So, have you done that final testing yet, and
    updated the hardware...?

    Yup! :) One had to have semi-major surgery: knew the power supply
    needed replacing as the fan froze some time back -- held off replacing
    as 'inconvenient' plus the major system change. Did put in the new PSU, checked, swapped the HDD for SSD (hard drive for a solid state one) --
    now boots in around thirty seconds. That one is in the Ironing Room in
    the basement. Will see about replacing the fan in the old PSU instead
    of buying a whole new PSU.


    Yup: sometimes just can't do anything. In our separate instances had
    to drive through the puddle else cause an accident. In my case grasp
    the steering wheel firmly as know there's going to be a sudden and
    sharp pull. Pay attention to the road plus look for an escape -- in my
    case there was a street a little beyond I could turn on to but that's a
    sharp right and if the engine dies I don't have power steering,
    brakes, etc. A little further was a gas station -- could at least do a
    45ø turn and have a little longer distance to stop. Ended up not
    needing either: chugged (literally!) on to my dr's appointment.
    Things all worked out nicely after all... :)
    Yes, though I'd bet that doctor's appointment would have been a bad
    time to have done a blood pressure check!! (Wasn't done/necessary.)
    Possibly... unless by the time you got into the office, you were
    so relieved to have made it safely that your whole body
    relaxed.... ;)

    That's a possibility too!


    And I was surprised when the car started right up after my appointment. Was either still raining or had just stopped, forgot. Probably the
    heat of the engine and gravity pulling the splashed water down cleaned
    the wires and removed the short. And did have the car checked and the spark plug harness needed replacing: cracked insulation.
    Which probably had been there before your forced puddle-drive...
    ;) Just as well to find it sooner than later, when it might have
    given you more grief... :)

    Right. I recall I left things for a while. Had a foggy period and the
    car didn't like that because of the moisture getting in to the cracks so
    that's when had the wiring harness replaced.



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue Sep 3 17:17:42 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 29-Aug-2019 19:32 <=-

    And now soon to return, to find your deluge to answer.... ;)
    <snortle> The good news is I did break up the replies into smaller
    chunks, mainly to not potentially overload my side, but also good
    stopping points.
    When I got back, I did tailor my packets a little... I was able to
    put the echoes from Tiny's that I would have messages in to reply to
    into one packet, and all the rest into another one... made the one
    to answer a little more wieldy than it would have been otherwise...
    Of course, I wasn't gone for a month.... :)
    No, just a fraction of a month. :)

    Make that fractionS of a month... <G>

    It was easier for me to download all and work on it a little at a
    time. Pretty sure I have a maximum packet size set somewhere -- has
    been a while since fiddled with those settings.

    I'm sure I have maximum packet size set on each of the bbses, but
    generally what would work best for actually reading/answering them is
    much smaller than that default... It's way too easy to overwhelm this
    computer with a huge packet... It needs more than double (maybe triple?)
    the space to open it, and more headspace to close it again... And I tend
    to not really have a lot of room available at a time...

    It's been bad enough for me that I was away for about 3 weeks out
    of 5 (from June 14 to July 20)... close to being caught up now,
    admittedly I've not rushed on these replies to you... but pretty
    current otherwise at the moment... and then a couple weeks still
    before I'm off again...
    As I said sometime before, the REPs should be a pleasurable option,
    not a dutiful requirement.
    Oh, they are... and that's also why I don't get myself stressed out
    when it takes a while to plod thru them all... ;) If I get the last
    6 to you from this packet answered tonight, I'll be able to tuck this
    packet away... and continue on to the ones that are more recent... :)
    Yup: seemed a little funny to read of 4th of July in the earlier
    message with Labor Day coming up in a few days.

    Really stretched out threads.... <G>

    Works out as a good thing for both of you.... :)
    Yes, that's what I figure. In one way I get the better of the deal
    because he's customizing the instructions for what I have here. And
    he gets to test his utility on a live and 'raw' system and make
    corrections/comments. LIS, I've needed to install a few utility
    files. he's needed to make permissions/file ownership alterations.
    He'll have a more robust piece of software, you'll have a nice
    working utility.... :)
    True, though on my end the utility is a one-function one: the source
    and destination, file locations, etc., are hard-coded into the
    software, though I think written in Python so would just need to use a
    text editor to update. I only vaguely understand so at this point
    easier to leave all corrections up to him -- plus if I make a change
    isn't in the 'master' for eventual distribution.
    One-function utilities aren't all that bad a thing... as long as
    they perform a function that you need to have done.... :)
    Yes, though for this utility it would seem to make more sense to have
    a configuration while the user would edit instead of editing the actual programme file. Essentially the same as the configuration file
    modifies the programme file, just I prefer not fiddling with the
    master.

    Maybe you should suggest that to him.... or do the actual work with an iteration of the program, not the original one...?

    The good news is I think we're about ready to do the full transfer of
    TV show files from the old system to the new. (Yea!!) Waiting for
    the system to be available currently (the export/import process will
    pause itself when a show is being recorded so as to not 'overflow' the
    read/write channels and cause corruption).
    Sounds promising... :)
    I'll admit to being amazed at the details, forethought, etc. Possibly
    due to 'oh poop!' events that happened years ago when he first started
    creating this set of utilities <g>, but still.
    Good that he is able to figure it all out... :)
    LIS I think he's one of the developers though never stated anywhere
    and didn't make any difference - he knew the stuff was what mattered.

    Yup, either way, he's developing it now, too... and knows what's going
    on with it... ;)

    BTW, the transferred files (from old system to new) work fine. The
    old Backend has been powered off for some time -- maybe only a week but seems longer! Still have to move the hardware around -- the new
    Backend is still on the floor and needs to be moved to the cabinet, but first need to make room on/in the cabinet....

    Eventually... ;)

    And it does work: just before I left I done some testing with larger
    chunks: move over all shows from Channel 8_3, for instance. (The file
    names have the channel included.) Couple of 'specific channel' tests,
    passed. Got 'brave' and tried copying over the remainder: only real
    difference was instead of a batch of maybe twenty or thirty files was
    over a hundred files. Passed. :)
    Hurrah for that! And no doubt a major relief when it did pass... ;)
    Yes. There's always the "it works on x-system but will it work on y-system?". He has (IIRC) 12 TB of storage, I 'only' 4 TB. And both
    of those numbers are 'wrong' as we really need to be looking at free space. For a short while I was using about half, so 2 TB. And the way
    the transfer utility worked is it only bit off small chunks: a single
    TV programme at a time, so usually no more than 2 GB; select, process, move over; select, process, move over....

    You have WAY more capacity than I have... ;) But the important thing is
    that you do have what you need to do the job at hand.... :)

    I didn't have time to update the hardware: update the Frontends
    (viewing computers) to the current Ubuntu (18.04.3) and the MythTV
    utility so left alone. Good news for our testing is Backend 2 (the
    old/original computer doing the recording and storage) is still
    recording shows and so can be used for our final testing.
    Very useful... :) So, have you done that final testing yet, and
    updated the hardware...?
    Yup! :) One had to have semi-major surgery: knew the power supply
    needed replacing as the fan froze some time back -- held off replacing
    as 'inconvenient' plus the major system change. Did put in the new
    PSU, checked, swapped the HDD for SSD (hard drive for a solid state
    one) -- now boots in around thirty seconds. That one is in the Ironing Room in the basement.

    All right... :) NIce when things work properly... :)

    Will see about replacing the fan in the old PSU instead of buying a
    whole new PSU.

    Makes sense... and with it out of the computer, twill be easier to work
    with... ;)

    And I was surprised when the car started right up after my appointment.
    Was either still raining or had just stopped, forgot. Probably the
    heat of the engine and gravity pulling the splashed water down cleaned
    the wires and removed the short. And did have the car checked and the
    spark plug harness needed replacing: cracked insulation.
    Which probably had been there before your forced puddle-drive...
    ;) Just as well to find it sooner than later, when it might have
    given you more grief... :)
    Right. I recall I left things for a while. Had a foggy period and
    the car didn't like that because of the moisture getting in to the
    cracks so that's when had the wiring harness replaced.

    So you probably would have found it sooner or later... this way at least
    you were warned to watch out for it... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed Sep 4 09:12:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    And now soon to return, to find your deluge to answer.... ;)
    <snortle> The good news is I did break up the replies into smaller
    chunks, mainly to not potentially overload my side, but also good
    stopping points.
    When I got back, I did tailor my packets a little... I was able to
    put the echoes from Tiny's that I would have messages in to reply to
    into one packet, and all the rest into another one... made the one
    to answer a little more wieldy than it would have been otherwise...
    Of course, I wasn't gone for a month.... :)
    No, just a fraction of a month. :)
    Make that fractionS of a month... <G>

    True, as multiple.


    It was easier for me to download all and work on it a little at a
    time. Pretty sure I have a maximum packet size set somewhere -- has
    been a while since fiddled with those settings.
    I'm sure I have maximum packet size set on each of the bbses, but generally what would work best for actually reading/answering
    them is much smaller than that default... It's way too easy to
    overwhelm this computer with a huge packet... It needs more than
    double (maybe triple?) the space to open it, and more headspace
    to close it again... And I tend to not really have a lot of room
    available at a time...

    Right. I vaguely recall there is a time when there are two files in
    memory, before gets written to a temp file on the hard drive.


    It's been bad enough for me that I was away for about 3 weeks out
    of 5 (from June 14 to July 20)... close to being caught up now,
    admittedly I've not rushed on these replies to you... but pretty
    current otherwise at the moment... and then a couple weeks still
    before I'm off again...
    As I said sometime before, the REPs should be a pleasurable option,
    not a dutiful requirement.
    Oh, they are... and that's also why I don't get myself stressed out
    when it takes a while to plod thru them all... ;) If I get the last
    6 to you from this packet answered tonight, I'll be able to tuck this
    packet away... and continue on to the ones that are more recent... :)
    Yup: seemed a little funny to read of 4th of July in the earlier
    message with Labor Day coming up in a few days.
    Really stretched out threads.... <G>

    Think we need to get steel bands to reinforce?!


    Works out as a good thing for both of you.... :)
    Yes, that's what I figure. In one way I get the better of the deal
    because he's customizing the instructions for what I have here. And
    he gets to test his utility on a live and 'raw' system and make
    corrections/comments. LIS, I've needed to install a few utility
    files. he's needed to make permissions/file ownership alterations.
    He'll have a more robust piece of software, you'll have a nice
    working utility.... :)
    True, though on my end the utility is a one-function one: the source
    and destination, file locations, etc., are hard-coded into the
    software, though I think written in Python so would just need to use a
    text editor to update. I only vaguely understand so at this point
    easier to leave all corrections up to him -- plus if I make a change
    isn't in the 'master' for eventual distribution.
    One-function utilities aren't all that bad a thing... as long as
    they perform a function that you need to have done.... :)
    Yes, though for this utility it would seem to make more sense to have
    a configuration while the user would edit instead of editing the actual programme file. Essentially the same as the configuration file
    modifies the programme file, just I prefer not fiddling with the
    master.
    Maybe you should suggest that to him.... or do the actual work
    with an iteration of the program, not the original one...?

    I'll have to look to see how the executable files I was working with
    were done -- IIRC most are on Backend 2 and that was shut down. Seems
    easy enough to create a master configuration file; the trick is to have
    the script file look at it and pull the information!



    The good news is I think we're about ready to do the full transfer of
    TV show files from the old system to the new. (Yea!!) Waiting for
    the system to be available currently (the export/import process will
    pause itself when a show is being recorded so as to not 'overflow' the
    read/write channels and cause corruption).
    Sounds promising... :)
    I'll admit to being amazed at the details, forethought, etc. Possibly
    due to 'oh poop!' events that happened years ago when he first started
    creating this set of utilities <g>, but still.
    Good that he is able to figure it all out... :)
    LIS I think he's one of the developers though never stated anywhere
    and didn't make any difference - he knew the stuff was what mattered.
    Yup, either way, he's developing it now, too... and knows what's
    going on with it... ;)

    Or at least the 'transfer utility' portion of it. ...Now getting more
    curious as to how it's all done! While I was working with him I was more interesting is reporting the results, detailing what went wrong so he
    could correct -- basically I was his eyes and there were more than a few
    times "something's wring" but I didn't know exactly what to report to
    give the information on how to fix so he got too much information.


    BTW, the transferred files (from old system to new) work fine. The
    old Backend has been powered off for some time -- maybe only a week but seems longer! Still have to move the hardware around -- the new
    Backend is still on the floor and needs to be moved to the cabinet, but first need to make room on/in the cabinet....
    Eventually... ;)

    In the mean time.....



    And it does work: just before I left I done some testing with larger
    chunks: move over all shows from Channel 8_3, for instance. (The file
    names have the channel included.) Couple of 'specific channel' tests,
    passed. Got 'brave' and tried copying over the remainder: only real
    difference was instead of a batch of maybe twenty or thirty files was
    over a hundred files. Passed. :)
    Hurrah for that! And no doubt a major relief when it did pass... ;)
    Yes. There's always the "it works on x-system but will it work on y-system?". He has (IIRC) 12 TB of storage, I 'only' 4 TB. And both
    of those numbers are 'wrong' as we really need to be looking at free space. For a short while I was using about half, so 2 TB. And the way
    the transfer utility worked is it only bit off small chunks: a single
    TV programme at a time, so usually no more than 2 GB; select, process, move over; select, process, move over....
    You have WAY more capacity than I have... ;) But the important
    thing is that you do have what you need to do the job at hand....
    :)

    And DOS won't handle that amount anyway. Well, could partition a multi- terabyte drive. Don't think that would even work because of the
    filesystem.


    I didn't have time to update the hardware: update the Frontends
    (viewing computers) to the current Ubuntu (18.04.3) and the MythTV
    utility so left alone. Good news for our testing is Backend 2 (the
    old/original computer doing the recording and storage) is still
    recording shows and so can be used for our final testing.
    Very useful... :) So, have you done that final testing yet, and
    updated the hardware...?
    Yup! :) One had to have semi-major surgery: knew the power supply
    needed replacing as the fan froze some time back -- held off replacing
    as 'inconvenient' plus the major system change. Did put in the new
    PSU, checked, swapped the HDD for SSD (hard drive for a solid state
    one) -- now boots in around thirty seconds. That one is in the Ironing Room in the basement.
    All right... :) NIce when things work properly... :)

    Yes. :) Could have changed the PSU and HDD-->SSD in one step but prefer
    to do major (and sometimes minor) changes in steps -- just easier troubleshooting should something go wrong.


    Will see about replacing the fan in the old PSU instead of buying a
    whole new PSU.
    Makes sense... and with it out of the computer, twill be easier
    to work with... ;)

    Definitely, especially as I think the screws to open the PSU were
    underneath! <g> ...Will have to see what the price of a replacement fan
    is: with another computer it's greatly cheaper to replace the CPU
    fan/heatsink assembly than buy the replacement fan (!).


    And I was surprised when the car started right up after my appointment.
    Was either still raining or had just stopped, forgot. Probably the
    heat of the engine and gravity pulling the splashed water down cleaned
    the wires and removed the short. And did have the car checked and the
    spark plug harness needed replacing: cracked insulation.
    Which probably had been there before your forced puddle-drive...
    ;) Just as well to find it sooner than later, when it might have
    given you more grief... :)
    Right. I recall I left things for a while. Had a foggy period and
    the car didn't like that because of the moisture getting in to the
    cracks so that's when had the wiring harness replaced.
    So you probably would have found it sooner or later... this way
    at least you were warned to watch out for it... ;)

    Yes, the cracked insulation on the sparkplug wires would have caused a
    problem eventually.

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue Sep 10 01:02:40 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 04-Sep-2019 09:12 <=-

    Continuing at the Pond on 9 Sept, at just after 9pm...

    And now soon to return, to find your deluge to answer.... ;)
    <snortle> The good news is I did break up the replies into smaller
    chunks, mainly to not potentially overload my side, but also good
    stopping points.
    When I got back, I did tailor my packets a little... I was able to
    put the echoes from Tiny's that I would have messages in to reply to
    into one packet, and all the rest into another one... made the one
    to answer a little more wieldy than it would have been otherwise...
    Of course, I wasn't gone for a month.... :)
    No, just a fraction of a month. :)
    Make that fractionS of a month... <G>
    True, as multiple.

    Exactly... a week in June, 2 different weeks in July, almost a week in
    August, and now a long weekend in September... And coming up, about a
    week at the end of September, and another long weekend in October...
    Definitely multiple....

    It was easier for me to download all and work on it a little at a
    time. Pretty sure I have a maximum packet size set somewhere -- has
    been a while since fiddled with those settings.
    I'm sure I have maximum packet size set on each of the bbses, but
    generally what would work best for actually reading/answering
    them is much smaller than that default... It's way too easy to
    overwhelm this computer with a huge packet... It needs more than
    double (maybe triple?) the space to open it, and more headspace
    to close it again... And I tend to not really have a lot of room
    available at a time...
    Right. I vaguely recall there is a time when there are two files in memory, before gets written to a temp file on the hard drive.

    Yup, something like that...

    Oh, they are... and that's also why I don't get myself stressed out
    when it takes a while to plod thru them all... ;) If I get the last
    6 to you from this packet answered tonight, I'll be able to tuck this
    packet away... and continue on to the ones that are more recent... :)
    Yup: seemed a little funny to read of 4th of July in the earlier
    message with Labor Day coming up in a few days.
    Really stretched out threads.... <G>
    Think we need to get steel bands to reinforce?!

    Nah... just need to get them more to size again... :)

    He'll have a more robust piece of software, you'll have a nice
    working utility.... :)
    True, though on my end the utility is a one-function one: the source
    and destination, file locations, etc., are hard-coded into the
    software, though I think written in Python so would just need to use a
    text editor to update. I only vaguely understand so at this point
    easier to leave all corrections up to him -- plus if I make a change
    isn't in the 'master' for eventual distribution.
    One-function utilities aren't all that bad a thing... as long as
    they perform a function that you need to have done.... :)
    Yes, though for this utility it would seem to make more sense to have
    a configuration while the user would edit instead of editing the actual
    programme file. Essentially the same as the configuration file
    modifies the programme file, just I prefer not fiddling with the
    master.
    Maybe you should suggest that to him.... or do the actual work
    with an iteration of the program, not the original one...?
    I'll have to look to see how the executable files I was working with
    were done -- IIRC most are on Backend 2 and that was shut down. Seems easy enough to create a master configuration file; the trick is to
    have the script file look at it and pull the information!

    So now you just have to figure out how to make that work... :)

    I'll admit to being amazed at the details, forethought, etc. Possibly
    due to 'oh poop!' events that happened years ago when he first started
    creating this set of utilities <g>, but still.
    Good that he is able to figure it all out... :)
    LIS I think he's one of the developers though never stated anywhere
    and didn't make any difference - he knew the stuff was what mattered.
    Yup, either way, he's developing it now, too... and knows what's
    going on with it... ;)
    Or at least the 'transfer utility' portion of it. ...Now getting more curious as to how it's all done! While I was working with him I was
    more interested in reporting the results, detailing what went wrong so
    he could correct -- basically I was his eyes and there were more than a few times "something's wrong" but I didn't know exactly what to report
    to give the information on how to fix so he got too much information.

    So understanding it might make reporting bugs better/easier.... :)

    BTW, the transferred files (from old system to new) work fine. The
    old Backend has been powered off for some time -- maybe only a week but
    seems longer! Still have to move the hardware around -- the new
    Backend is still on the floor and needs to be moved to the cabinet, but
    first need to make room on/in the cabinet....
    Eventually... ;)
    In the mean time.....

    Other things pop up and need doing.... :)

    And it does work: just before I left I done some testing with larger
    chunks: move over all shows from Channel 8_3, for instance. (The file
    names have the channel included.) Couple of 'specific channel' tests,
    passed. Got 'brave' and tried copying over the remainder: only real
    difference was instead of a batch of maybe twenty or thirty files was
    over a hundred files. Passed. :)
    Hurrah for that! And no doubt a major relief when it did pass... ;)
    Yes. There's always the "it works on x-system but will it work on
    y-system?". He has (IIRC) 12 TB of storage, I 'only' 4 TB. And both
    of those numbers are 'wrong' as we really need to be looking at free
    space. For a short while I was using about half, so 2 TB. And the way
    the transfer utility worked is it only bit off small chunks: a single
    TV programme at a time, so usually no more than 2 GB; select, process,
    move over; select, process, move over....
    You have WAY more capacity than I have... ;) But the important
    thing is that you do have what you need to do the job at hand... :)
    And DOS won't handle that amount anyway. Well, could partition a multi-terabyte drive. Don't think that would even work because of the filesystem.

    Might be driven over to linux... or have a zillion partitions, and
    still not be able to handle large files... ;)

    I didn't have time to update the hardware: update the Frontends
    (viewing computers) to the current Ubuntu (18.04.3) and the MythTV
    utility so left alone. Good news for our testing is Backend 2 (the
    old/original computer doing the recording and storage) is still
    recording shows and so can be used for our final testing.
    Very useful... :) So, have you done that final testing yet, and
    updated the hardware...?
    Yup! :) One had to have semi-major surgery: knew the power supply
    needed replacing as the fan froze some time back -- held off replacing
    as 'inconvenient' plus the major system change. Did put in the new
    PSU, checked, swapped the HDD for SSD (hard drive for a solid state
    one) -- now boots in around thirty seconds. That one is in the Ironing
    Room in the basement.
    All right... :) Nice when things work properly... :)
    Yes. :) Could have changed the PSU and HDD-->SSD in one step but
    prefer to do major (and sometimes minor) changes in steps -- just
    easier troubleshooting should something go wrong.

    Possibly easier to backpedal if needed to that way, too...

    Will see about replacing the fan in the old PSU instead of buying a
    whole new PSU.
    Makes sense... and with it out of the computer, twill be easier
    to work with... ;)
    Definitely, especially as I think the screws to open the PSU were underneath! <g> ...Will have to see what the price of a replacement
    fan is: with another computer it's greatly cheaper to replace the CPU fan/heatsink assembly than buy the replacement fan (!).

    That does happen from time to time.... :)

    And I was surprised when the car started right up after my appointment.
    Was either still raining or had just stopped, forgot. Probably the
    heat of the engine and gravity pulling the splashed water down cleaned
    the wires and removed the short. And did have the car checked and the
    spark plug harness needed replacing: cracked insulation.
    Which probably had been there before your forced puddle-drive...
    ;) Just as well to find it sooner than later, when it might have
    given you more grief... :)
    Right. I recall I left things for a while. Had a foggy period and
    the car didn't like that because of the moisture getting in to the
    cracks so that's when had the wiring harness replaced.
    So you probably would have found it sooner or later... this way
    at least you were warned to watch out for it... ;)
    Yes, the cracked insulation on the sparkplug wires would have caused a problem eventually.

    Yup...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Sep 12 15:45:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    And now soon to return, to find your deluge to answer.... ;)
    <snortle> The good news is I did break up the replies into smaller
    chunks, mainly to not potentially overload my side, but also good
    stopping points.
    When I got back, I did tailor my packets a little... I was able to
    put the echoes from Tiny's that I would have messages in to reply to
    into one packet, and all the rest into another one... made the one
    to answer a little more wieldy than it would have been otherwise...
    Of course, I wasn't gone for a month.... :)
    No, just a fraction of a month. :)
    Make that fractionS of a month... <G>
    True, as multiple.
    Exactly... a week in June, 2 different weeks in July, almost a
    week in August, and now a long weekend in September... And coming
    up, about a week at the end of September, and another long
    weekend in October... Definitely multiple....

    We'll be here!


    It was easier for me to download all and work on it a little at a
    time. Pretty sure I have a maximum packet size set somewhere -- has
    been a while since fiddled with those settings.
    I'm sure I have maximum packet size set on each of the bbses, but
    generally what would work best for actually reading/answering
    them is much smaller than that default... It's way too easy to
    overwhelm this computer with a huge packet... It needs more than
    double (maybe triple?) the space to open it, and more headspace
    to close it again... And I tend to not really have a lot of room
    available at a time...
    Right. I vaguely recall there is a time when there are two files in memory, before gets written to a temp file on the hard drive.
    Yup, something like that...

    I'm still surprised I haven't used more RAM on the various computers up
    here with the variuos functions. The Backend for MythTV does a form of
    video transcoding and that "takes room" to do some place. This system
    (the one I'm one currently) I have multiple windows open concurrently
    and it is only using 5.9 GB. ...As long as everyone's happy!


    Oh, they are... and that's also why I don't get myself stressed out
    when it takes a while to plod thru them all... ;) If I get the last
    6 to you from this packet answered tonight, I'll be able to tuck this
    packet away... and continue on to the ones that are more recent... :)
    Yup: seemed a little funny to read of 4th of July in the earlier
    message with Labor Day coming up in a few days.
    Really stretched out threads.... <G>
    Think we need to get steel bands to reinforce?!
    Nah... just need to get them more to size again... :)

    <snip> <snip> <trim>


    He'll have a more robust piece of software, you'll have a nice
    working utility.... :)
    True, though on my end the utility is a one-function one: the source
    and destination, file locations, etc., are hard-coded into the
    software, though I think written in Python so would just need to use a
    text editor to update. I only vaguely understand so at this point
    easier to leave all corrections up to him -- plus if I make a change
    isn't in the 'master' for eventual distribution.
    One-function utilities aren't all that bad a thing... as long as
    they perform a function that you need to have done.... :)
    Yes, though for this utility it would seem to make more sense to have
    a configuration while the user would edit instead of editing the actual
    programme file. Essentially the same as the configuration file
    modifies the programme file, just I prefer not fiddling with the
    master.
    Maybe you should suggest that to him.... or do the actual work
    with an iteration of the program, not the original one...?
    I'll have to look to see how the executable files I was working with
    were done -- IIRC most are on Backend 2 and that was shut down. Seems easy enough to create a master configuration file; the trick is to
    have the script file look at it and pull the information!
    So now you just have to figure out how to make that work... :)

    And learn Python and other programming stuff.....



    I'll admit to being amazed at the details, forethought, etc. Possibly
    due to 'oh poop!' events that happened years ago when he first started
    creating this set of utilities <g>, but still.
    Good that he is able to figure it all out... :)
    LIS I think he's one of the developers though never stated anywhere
    and didn't make any difference - he knew the stuff was what mattered.
    Yup, either way, he's developing it now, too... and knows what's
    going on with it... ;)
    Or at least the 'transfer utility' portion of it. ...Now getting more curious as to how it's all done! While I was working with him I was
    more interested in reporting the results, detailing what went wrong so
    he could correct -- basically I was his eyes and there were more than a few times "something's wrong" but I didn't know exactly what to report
    to give the information on how to fix so he got too much information.
    So understanding it might make reporting bugs better/easier....
    :)

    True - I'd probably know better what was expected so would be able to
    narrow down the error information.



    BTW, the transferred files (from old system to new) work fine. The
    old Backend has been powered off for some time -- maybe only a week but
    seems longer! Still have to move the hardware around -- the new
    Backend is still on the floor and needs to be moved to the cabinet, but
    first need to make room on/in the cabinet....
    Eventually... ;)
    In the mean time.....
    Other things pop up and need doing.... :)

    Right. Pulled an older computer from 'storage'; had been set aside
    because I couldn't get the DVD drive to work. Well, the drive worked
    fine just not in that computer. ...Was considering using the computer
    as a Frontend in the TV Room in the basement. Not going to work as the motherboard is old and slow, so pulled that and should have a replacement delivered today or tomorrow.




    And it does work: just before I left I done some testing with larger
    chunks: move over all shows from Channel 8_3, for instance. (The file
    names have the channel included.) Couple of 'specific channel' tests,
    passed. Got 'brave' and tried copying over the remainder: only real
    difference was instead of a batch of maybe twenty or thirty files was
    over a hundred files. Passed. :)
    Hurrah for that! And no doubt a major relief when it did pass... ;)
    Yes. There's always the "it works on x-system but will it work on
    y-system?". He has (IIRC) 12 TB of storage, I 'only' 4 TB. And both
    of those numbers are 'wrong' as we really need to be looking at free
    space. For a short while I was using about half, so 2 TB. And the way
    the transfer utility worked is it only bit off small chunks: a single
    TV programme at a time, so usually no more than 2 GB; select, process,
    move over; select, process, move over....
    You have WAY more capacity than I have... ;) But the important
    thing is that you do have what you need to do the job at hand... :)
    And DOS won't handle that amount anyway. Well, could partition a multi-terabyte drive. Don't think that would even work because of the filesystem.
    Might be driven over to linux... or have a zillion partitions,
    and still not be able to handle large files... ;)

    I think the largest file I've played with was 5-point-something
    gigabytes. No problems until got to a little over 4 GB and the
    filesystem on the thumbdrive truncated. (reformmated the thumbdrive to
    a different filesystem and was fine.)


    I didn't have time to update the hardware: update the Frontends
    (viewing computers) to the current Ubuntu (18.04.3) and the MythTV
    utility so left alone. Good news for our testing is Backend 2 (the
    old/original computer doing the recording and storage) is still
    recording shows and so can be used for our final testing.
    Very useful... :) So, have you done that final testing yet, and
    updated the hardware...?
    Yup! :) One had to have semi-major surgery: knew the power supply
    needed replacing as the fan froze some time back -- held off replacing
    as 'inconvenient' plus the major system change. Did put in the new
    PSU, checked, swapped the HDD for SSD (hard drive for a solid state
    one) -- now boots in around thirty seconds. That one is in the Ironing
    Room in the basement.
    All right... :) Nice when things work properly... :)
    Yes. :) Could have changed the PSU and HDD-->SSD in one step but
    prefer to do major (and sometimes minor) changes in steps -- just
    easier troubleshooting should something go wrong.
    Possibly easier to backpedal if needed to that way, too...

    For me, yes. I know a lot but there are gaping holes in what I do know,
    so sometimes and obvious issue to others is a mystery to me, while other details I can keep right up.



    Will see about replacing the fan in the old PSU instead of buying a
    whole new PSU.
    Makes sense... and with it out of the computer, twill be easier
    to work with... ;)
    Definitely, especially as I think the screws to open the PSU were underneath! <g> ...Will have to see what the price of a replacement
    fan is: with another computer it's greatly cheaper to replace the CPU fan/heatsink assembly than buy the replacement fan (!).
    That does happen from time to time.... :)

    The Scottish Guy in me doesn't understand things like that!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Sep 21 16:26:36 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 12-Sep-2019 15:45 <=-

    True, as multiple.
    Exactly... a week in June, 2 different weeks in July, almost a
    week in August, and now a long weekend in September... And coming
    up, about a week at the end of September, and another long
    weekend in October... Definitely multiple....
    We'll be here!

    Waiting patiently... ;)

    overwhelm this computer with a huge packet... It needs more than
    double (maybe triple?) the space to open it, and more headspace
    to close it again... And I tend to not really have a lot of room
    available at a time...
    Right. I vaguely recall there is a time when there are two files in
    memory, before gets written to a temp file on the hard drive.
    Yup, something like that...
    I'm still surprised I haven't used more RAM on the various computers
    up here with the variuos functions. The Backend for MythTV does a form
    of video transcoding and that "takes room" to do some place. This
    system (the one I'm one currently) I have multiple windows open concurrently and it is only using 5.9 GB. ...As long as everyone's
    happy!

    Only. <G> 5.9GB sounds like an awful lot to me.... ;) Especially as I
    have but a small fraction of that... :)

    One-function utilities aren't all that bad a thing... as long as
    they perform a function that you need to have done.... :)
    Yes, though for this utility it would seem to make more sense to have
    a configuration while the user would edit instead of editing the actual
    programme file. Essentially the same as the configuration file
    modifies the programme file, just I prefer not fiddling with the
    master.
    Maybe you should suggest that to him.... or do the actual work
    with an iteration of the program, not the original one...?
    I'll have to look to see how the executable files I was working with
    were done -- IIRC most are on Backend 2 and that was shut down. Seems
    easy enough to create a master configuration file; the trick is to
    have the script file look at it and pull the information!
    So now you just have to figure out how to make that work... :)
    And learn Python and other programming stuff.....

    Keeps your brain limber and flexible (as long as it doesn't totally
    overwhelm [g])....

    LIS I think he's one of the developers though never stated anywhere
    and didn't make any difference - he knew the stuff was what mattered.
    Yup, either way, he's developing it now, too... and knows what's
    going on with it... ;)
    Or at least the 'transfer utility' portion of it. ...Now getting more
    curious as to how it's all done! While I was working with him I was
    more interested in reporting the results, detailing what went wrong so
    he could correct -- basically I was his eyes and there were more than a
    few times "something's wrong" but I didn't know exactly what to report
    to give the information on how to fix so he got too much information.
    So understanding it might make reporting bugs better/easier.... :)
    True - I'd probably know better what was expected so would be able to narrow down the error information.

    Or at least be able to use the right jargon correctly... ;)

    BTW, the transferred files (from old system to new) work fine. The
    old Backend has been powered off for some time -- maybe only a week but
    seems longer! Still have to move the hardware around -- the new
    Backend is still on the floor and needs to be moved to the cabinet, but
    first need to make room on/in the cabinet....
    Eventually... ;)
    In the mean time.....
    Other things pop up and need doing.... :)
    Right. Pulled an older computer from 'storage'; had been set aside because I couldn't get the DVD drive to work. Well, the drive worked
    fine just not in that computer. ...Was considering using the computer
    as a Frontend in the TV Room in the basement. Not going to work as
    the motherboard is old and slow, so pulled that and should have a replacement delivered today or tomorrow.

    Always something happening... ;)

    You have WAY more capacity than I have... ;) But the important
    thing is that you do have what you need to do the job at hand... :)
    And DOS won't handle that amount anyway. Well, could partition a
    multi-terabyte drive. Don't think that would even work because of the
    filesystem.
    Might be driven over to linux... or have a zillion partitions,
    and still not be able to handle large files... ;)
    I think the largest file I've played with was 5-point-something
    gigabytes. No problems until got to a little over 4 GB and the
    filesystem on the thumbdrive truncated. (reformmated the thumbdrive
    to a different filesystem and was fine.)

    Totally mind-boggling to me... I think I'll just avoid the huge files
    and stay happily in my old small system... ;)

    All right... :) Nice when things work properly... :)
    Yes. :) Could have changed the PSU and HDD-->SSD in one step but
    prefer to do major (and sometimes minor) changes in steps -- just
    easier troubleshooting should something go wrong.
    Possibly easier to backpedal if needed to that way, too...
    For me, yes. I know a lot but there are gaping holes in what I do
    know, so sometimes an obvious issue to others is a mystery to me,
    while other details I can keep right up.

    Most things are a mystery to me... ;)

    Will see about replacing the fan in the old PSU instead of buying a
    whole new PSU.
    Makes sense... and with it out of the computer, twill be easier
    to work with... ;)
    Definitely, especially as I think the screws to open the PSU were
    underneath! <g> ...Will have to see what the price of a replacement
    fan is: with another computer it's greatly cheaper to replace the CPU
    fan/heatsink assembly than buy the replacement fan (!).
    That does happen from time to time.... :)
    The Scottish Guy in me doesn't understand things like that!

    It's the way modern economics works, is all...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Sep 22 09:40:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    True, as multiple.
    Exactly... a week in June, 2 different weeks in July, almost a
    week in August, and now a long weekend in September... And coming
    up, about a week at the end of September, and another long
    weekend in October... Definitely multiple....
    We'll be here!
    Waiting patiently... ;)

    Well, I'l be doing something to occupy the time but won't post a WHERE
    ARE YOU?!!


    overwhelm this computer with a huge packet... It needs more than
    double (maybe triple?) the space to open it, and more headspace
    to close it again... And I tend to not really have a lot of room
    available at a time...
    Right. I vaguely recall there is a time when there are two files in
    memory, before gets written to a temp file on the hard drive.
    Yup, something like that...
    I'm still surprised I haven't used more RAM on the various computers
    up here with the variuos functions. The Backend for MythTV does a form
    of video transcoding and that "takes room" to do some place. This
    system (the one I'm one currently) I have multiple windows open concurrently and it is only using 5.9 GB. ...As long as everyone's
    happy!
    Only. <G> 5.9GB sounds like an awful lot to me.... ;)
    Especially as I have but a small fraction of that... :)

    True: everything is relative. Think I told you or you may have read
    where my first IBM-compatible computer had a 20 MB hard drive -- thought
    it would take forever to fill, especially as in the flipping-floppies
    mindset from my first computer. So nine months later running low on
    space, the sister computer becomes available (customer return because he
    or she totally screwed up the OS so the department manager sells to me
    for cheap) -- 40 MB hard drive. I eventually network together for a
    combined 60 MB -- I'll _never_ run out of room! ...Uh-huh! <g>


    One-function utilities aren't all that bad a thing... as long as
    they perform a function that you need to have done.... :)
    Yes, though for this utility it would seem to make more sense to have
    a configuration while the user would edit instead of editing the actual
    programme file. Essentially the same as the configuration file
    modifies the programme file, just I prefer not fiddling with the
    master.
    Maybe you should suggest that to him.... or do the actual work
    with an iteration of the program, not the original one...?
    I'll have to look to see how the executable files I was working with
    were done -- IIRC most are on Backend 2 and that was shut down. Seems
    easy enough to create a master configuration file; the trick is to
    have the script file look at it and pull the information!
    So now you just have to figure out how to make that work... :)
    And learn Python and other programming stuff.....
    Keeps your brain limber and flexible (as long as it doesn't
    totally overwhelm [g])....


    Right now I'd have to have a need other than 'handy to know'.
    Admittedly a lot of my recent learning tends to be knee-jerk: this isn't working, error code is <whatever>, find what that means, etc. And I
    really have no need to do programming -- well, in-depth, do do some
    'lite' stuff with the occasional scripting, but that's more cookbook:
    patch in bits and pieces. Is more time consuming than if I knew how to
    do from properly learning but....

    (Was reading a reply from the developer of NCID to a question someone
    else posted. Gave the answer and a bit of pertinent side-information
    which also mentioned he hadn't expanded NCID to do <item> because he had
    no interest to do so. I can relate!)



    LIS I think he's one of the developers though never stated anywhere
    and didn't make any difference - he knew the stuff was what mattered.
    Yup, either way, he's developing it now, too... and knows what's
    going on with it... ;)
    Or at least the 'transfer utility' portion of it. ...Now getting more
    curious as to how it's all done! While I was working with him I was
    more interested in reporting the results, detailing what went wrong so
    he could correct -- basically I was his eyes and there were more than a
    few times "something's wrong" but I didn't know exactly what to report
    to give the information on how to fix so he got too much information.
    So understanding it might make reporting bugs better/easier.... :)
    True - I'd probably know better what was expected so would be able to narrow down the error information.
    Or at least be able to use the right jargon correctly... ;)

    That would be helpful!


    BTW, the transferred files (from old system to new) work fine. The
    old Backend has been powered off for some time -- maybe only a week but
    seems longer! Still have to move the hardware around -- the new
    Backend is still on the floor and needs to be moved to the cabinet, but
    first need to make room on/in the cabinet....
    Eventually... ;)
    In the mean time.....
    Other things pop up and need doing.... :)
    Right. Pulled an older computer from 'storage'; had been set aside because I couldn't get the DVD drive to work. Well, the drive worked
    fine just not in that computer. ...Was considering using the computer
    as a Frontend in the TV Room in the basement. Not going to work as
    the motherboard is old and slow, so pulled that and should have a replacement delivered today or tomorrow.
    Always something happening... ;)

    Keeps me busy and in mischief! ...Wait: did I type that right?!



    You have WAY more capacity than I have... ;) But the important
    thing is that you do have what you need to do the job at hand... :)
    And DOS won't handle that amount anyway. Well, could partition a
    multi-terabyte drive. Don't think that would even work because of the
    filesystem.
    Might be driven over to linux... or have a zillion partitions,
    and still not be able to handle large files... ;)
    I think the largest file I've played with was 5-point-something
    gigabytes. No problems until got to a little over 4 GB and the
    filesystem on the thumbdrive truncated. (reformmated the thumbdrive
    to a different filesystem and was fine.)
    Totally mind-boggling to me... I think I'll just avoid the huge
    files and stay happily in my old small system... ;)

    Probably 95% of my files are the usual handful of megabytes; the
    over-4GB ones are recordings of TV shows and normally I don't have a
    thing to do with them other than select which one to play and the
    computers handle the rest. Manual copying is rare, with the exception
    of the Transfer Project.


    All right... :) Nice when things work properly... :)
    Yes. :) Could have changed the PSU and HDD-->SSD in one step but
    prefer to do major (and sometimes minor) changes in steps -- just
    easier troubleshooting should something go wrong.
    Possibly easier to backpedal if needed to that way, too...
    For me, yes. I know a lot but there are gaping holes in what I do
    know, so sometimes an obvious issue to others is a mystery to me,
    while other details I can keep right up.
    Most things are a mystery to me... ;)

    All depends on what one needs to/wants to know. I have little interest
    in working on cars as in changing oil or even swapping out the battery.
    Others like to and I'm glad do so I can have them do the stuff I don't
    care to.


    Will see about replacing the fan in the old PSU instead of buying a
    whole new PSU.
    Makes sense... and with it out of the computer, twill be easier
    to work with... ;)
    Definitely, especially as I think the screws to open the PSU were
    underneath! <g> ...Will have to see what the price of a replacement
    fan is: with another computer it's greatly cheaper to replace the CPU
    fan/heatsink assembly than buy the replacement fan (!).
    That does happen from time to time.... :)
    The Scottish Guy in me doesn't understand things like that!
    It's the way modern economics works, is all...

    As sort of a follow-up the external fan fixed the problem. Not
    elegantly. Hindsight may have been repairable: took the fan guard off
    and the blades almost fell out ==> seems like they had just glued the
    fan blade assembly to the motor shaft. Not sure if could have glued and reassembled but part of the frame inside was loose -- not sure if that
    was from unscrewing the fan guard or another problem. By the time I
    thought of maybe glueing I had snipped the positive lead to the original
    fan's motor. New 120mm fan over where the fan guard was -- do a test
    run -- seems fine!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Oct 4 17:36:26 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 22-Sep-2019 09:40 <=-

    Exactly... a week in June, 2 different weeks in July, almost a
    week in August, and now a long weekend in September... And coming
    up, about a week at the end of September, and another long
    weekend in October... Definitely multiple....
    We'll be here!
    Waiting patiently... ;)
    Well, I'l be doing something to occupy the time but won't post a WHERE
    ARE YOU?!!

    Good thing, as all the trips have made me quite erratic in posting... ;)
    I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, I think... my son's
    return flight to Turkey is on the 22nd, so that will be one last trip
    for the year... getting him back to the Montreal Airport... We'll close
    the camp for the winter just before I take him to the airport... :)

    I'm still surprised I haven't used more RAM on the various computers
    up here with the various functions. The Backend for MythTV does a form
    of video transcoding and that "takes room" to do some place. This
    system (the one I'm one currently) I have multiple windows open
    concurrently and it is only using 5.9 GB. ...As long as everyone's
    happy!
    Only. <G> 5.9GB sounds like an awful lot to me.... ;)
    Especially as I have but a small fraction of that... :)
    True: everything is relative. Think I told you or you may have read
    where my first IBM-compatible computer had a 20 MB hard drive --
    thought it would take forever to fill, especially as in the flipping-floppies mindset from my first computer. So nine months later running low on space, the sister computer becomes available (customer return because he or she totally screwed up the OS so the department manager sells to me for cheap) -- 40 MB hard drive. I eventually
    network together for a combined 60 MB -- I'll _never_ run out of room! ...Uh-huh! <g>

    A very common story... <G>

    Maybe you should suggest that to him.... or do the actual work
    with an iteration of the program, not the original one...?
    I'll have to look to see how the executable files I was working with
    were done -- IIRC most are on Backend 2 and that was shut down. Seems
    easy enough to create a master configuration file; the trick is to
    have the script file look at it and pull the information!
    So now you just have to figure out how to make that work... :)
    And learn Python and other programming stuff.....
    Keeps your brain limber and flexible (as long as it doesn't totally
    overwhelm [g])....
    Right now I'd have to have a need other than 'handy to know'.
    Admittedly a lot of my recent learning tends to be knee-jerk: this
    isn't working, error code is <whatever>, find what that means, etc.
    And I really have no need to do programming -- well, in-depth, do do
    some 'lite' stuff with the occasional scripting, but that's more
    cookbook: patch in bits and pieces. Is more time consuming than if I
    knew how to do from properly learning but....

    Maybe someday when you are caught up on all those projects, and no But
    Firsts get in the way.... <G> Maybe even take a course at the community college, or online...? :)

    (Was reading a reply from the developer of NCID to a question someone
    else posted. Gave the answer and a bit of pertinent side-information which also mentioned he hadn't expanded NCID to do <item> because he
    had no interest to do so. I can relate!)

    Only so much one can do at a time... :) And it helps to be interested
    in what one is doing, especially when one is free-lancing... ;)

    LIS I think he's one of the developers though never stated anywhere
    and didn't make any difference - he knew the stuff was what mattered.
    Yup, either way, he's developing it now, too... and knows what's
    going on with it... ;)
    Or at least the 'transfer utility' portion of it. ...Now getting more
    curious as to how it's all done! While I was working with him I was
    more interested in reporting the results, detailing what went wrong so
    he could correct -- basically I was his eyes and there were more than a
    few times "something's wrong" but I didn't know exactly what to report
    to give the information on how to fix so he got too much information.
    So understanding it might make reporting bugs better/easier.... :)
    True - I'd probably know better what was expected so would be able to
    narrow down the error information.
    Or at least be able to use the right jargon correctly... ;)
    That would be helpful!

    A reason to consider the whole idea more strongly... :)

    Eventually... ;)
    In the mean time.....
    Other things pop up and need doing.... :)
    Right. Pulled an older computer from 'storage'; had been set aside
    because I couldn't get the DVD drive to work. Well, the drive worked
    fine just not in that computer. ...Was considering using the computer
    as a Frontend in the TV Room in the basement. Not going to work as
    the motherboard is old and slow, so pulled that and should have a
    replacement delivered today or tomorrow.
    Always something happening... ;)
    Keeps me busy and in mischief! ...Wait: did I type that right?!

    Probably... <G>

    I think the largest file I've played with was 5-point-something
    gigabytes. No problems until got to a little over 4 GB and the
    filesystem on the thumbdrive truncated. (reformmated the thumbdrive
    to a different filesystem and was fine.)
    Totally mind-boggling to me... I think I'll just avoid the huge
    files and stay happily in my old small system... ;)
    Probably 95% of my files are the usual handful of megabytes; the
    over-4GB ones are recordings of TV shows and normally I don't have a
    thing to do with them other than select which one to play and the computers handle the rest. Manual copying is rare, with the exception
    of the Transfer Project.

    Still mind-boggling to me... ;)

    Yes. :) Could have changed the PSU and HDD-->SSD in one step but
    prefer to do major (and sometimes minor) changes in steps -- just
    easier troubleshooting should something go wrong.
    Possibly easier to backpedal if needed to that way, too...
    For me, yes. I know a lot but there are gaping holes in what I do
    know, so sometimes an obvious issue to others is a mystery to me,
    while other details I can keep right up.
    Most things are a mystery to me... ;)
    All depends on what one needs to/wants to know. I have little
    interest in working on cars as in changing oil or even swapping out the battery. Others like to and I'm glad do so I can have them do the stuff
    I don't care to.

    Well, I was talking more about computers and the like, but that's
    another area that applies... ;) In previous times, I've been known to
    change my own oil (only did it once and decided it wasn't a job I cared
    to do again)... and other simple changeouts... but I'm happy to take the
    car to our mechanics now... :)

    As sort of a follow-up the external fan fixed the problem. Not
    elegantly. Hindsight may have been repairable: took the fan guard off
    and the blades almost fell out ==> seems like they had just glued the
    fan blade assembly to the motor shaft. Not sure if could have glued
    and reassembled but part of the frame inside was loose -- not sure if
    that was from unscrewing the fan guard or another problem. By the time
    I thought of maybe glueing I had snipped the positive lead to the
    original fan's motor. New 120mm fan over where the fan guard was -- do
    a test run -- seems fine!

    It works now... that's the important thing... ;) Sometimes figuring out
    what someone else was thinking when they put things together is more
    effort than just replacing things... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... Procrasinators Anonymous Meeting tomorrow. Or day after...

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Oct 5 08:44:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!


    Exactly... a week in June, 2 different weeks in July, almost a
    week in August, and now a long weekend in September... And coming
    up, about a week at the end of September, and another long
    weekend in October... Definitely multiple....
    We'll be here!
    Waiting patiently... ;)
    Well, I'l be doing something to occupy the time but won't post a WHERE
    ARE YOU?!!
    Good thing, as all the trips have made me quite erratic in
    posting... ;) I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, I
    think... my son's return flight to Turkey is on the 22nd, so that
    will be one last trip for the year... getting him back to the
    Montreal Airport... We'll close the camp for the winter just
    before I take him to the airport... :)

    Seems funny to take someone to Canadian airport but for your location probably makes more sense. Playing with Google Maps -- takes about an
    hour longer to drive to Boston than to Montreal.


    I'm still surprised I haven't used more RAM on the various computers
    up here with the various functions. The Backend for MythTV does a form
    of video transcoding and that "takes room" to do some place. This
    system (the one I'm one currently) I have multiple windows open
    concurrently and it is only using 5.9 GB. ...As long as everyone's
    happy!
    Only. <G> 5.9GB sounds like an awful lot to me.... ;)
    Especially as I have but a small fraction of that... :)
    True: everything is relative. Think I told you or you may have read
    where my first IBM-compatible computer had a 20 MB hard drive --
    thought it would take forever to fill, especially as in the flipping-floppies mindset from my first computer. So nine months later running low on space, the sister computer becomes available (customer return because he or she totally screwed up the OS so the department manager sells to me for cheap) -- 40 MB hard drive. I eventually
    network together for a combined 60 MB -- I'll _never_ run out of room! ...Uh-huh! <g>
    A very common story... <G>

    I think it's kind of 'funny' the amount of RAM in the video cards I use
    around six times what I had for storage in my original XTs.


    Maybe you should suggest that to him.... or do the actual work
    with an iteration of the program, not the original one...?
    I'll have to look to see how the executable files I was working with
    were done -- IIRC most are on Backend 2 and that was shut down. Seems
    easy enough to create a master configuration file; the trick is to
    have the script file look at it and pull the information!
    So now you just have to figure out how to make that work... :)
    And learn Python and other programming stuff.....
    Keeps your brain limber and flexible (as long as it doesn't totally
    overwhelm [g])....
    Right now I'd have to have a need other than 'handy to know'.
    Admittedly a lot of my recent learning tends to be knee-jerk: this
    isn't working, error code is <whatever>, find what that means, etc.
    And I really have no need to do programming -- well, in-depth, do do
    some 'lite' stuff with the occasional scripting, but that's more
    cookbook: patch in bits and pieces. Is more time consuming than if I
    knew how to do from properly learning but....
    Maybe someday when you are caught up on all those projects, and
    no But Firsts get in the way.... <G> Maybe even take a course at
    the community college, or online...? :)

    Isn't Googling for the answer considered 'on-line'? <gg> Actually
    taking a classroom or on-line class wouldn't be a bad idea. By the time
    all the But Firsts have dwindled down to allow for time to take the
    classes there won't be any crisis for me to use my new knowledge on!


    (Was reading a reply from the developer of NCID to a question someone
    else posted. Gave the answer and a bit of pertinent side-information which also mentioned he hadn't expanded NCID to do <item> because he
    had no interest to do so. I can relate!)
    Only so much one can do at a time... :) And it helps to be
    interested in what one is doing, especially when one is
    free-lancing... ;)

    True. To me is more fun/enjoyable to do something I have an interest
    in. Not to say if I don't have an interest won't do/participate.


    LIS I think he's one of the developers though never stated anywhere
    and didn't make any difference - he knew the stuff was what mattered.
    Yup, either way, he's developing it now, too... and knows what's
    going on with it... ;)
    Or at least the 'transfer utility' portion of it. ...Now getting more
    curious as to how it's all done! While I was working with him I was
    more interested in reporting the results, detailing what went wrong so
    he could correct -- basically I was his eyes and there were more than a
    few times "something's wrong" but I didn't know exactly what to report
    to give the information on how to fix so he got too much information.
    So understanding it might make reporting bugs better/easier.... :)
    True - I'd probably know better what was expected so would be able to
    narrow down the error information.
    Or at least be able to use the right jargon correctly... ;)
    That would be helpful!
    A reason to consider the whole idea more strongly... :)

    "So that's what the wachamacallit is called!!"



    I think the largest file I've played with was 5-point-something
    gigabytes. No problems until got to a little over 4 GB and the
    filesystem on the thumbdrive truncated. (reformmated the thumbdrive
    to a different filesystem and was fine.)
    Totally mind-boggling to me... I think I'll just avoid the huge
    files and stay happily in my old small system... ;)
    Probably 95% of my files are the usual handful of megabytes; the
    over-4GB ones are recordings of TV shows and normally I don't have a
    thing to do with them other than select which one to play and the computers handle the rest. Manual copying is rare, with the exception
    of the Transfer Project.
    Still mind-boggling to me... ;)

    Just the copying of the usual and customary small files on a grand scale! ...Though sometimes get into the little details of a file system will
    only handle so big a file and probably some other etc's.


    Yes. :) Could have changed the PSU and HDD-->SSD in one step but
    prefer to do major (and sometimes minor) changes in steps -- just
    easier troubleshooting should something go wrong.
    Possibly easier to backpedal if needed to that way, too...
    For me, yes. I know a lot but there are gaping holes in what I do
    know, so sometimes an obvious issue to others is a mystery to me,
    while other details I can keep right up.
    Most things are a mystery to me... ;)
    All depends on what one needs to/wants to know. I have little
    interest in working on cars as in changing oil or even swapping out the battery. Others like to and I'm glad do so I can have them do the stuff
    I don't care to.
    Well, I was talking more about computers and the like, but that's
    another area that applies... ;) In previous times, I've been
    known to change my own oil (only did it once and decided it
    wasn't a job I cared to do again)... and other simple
    changeouts... but I'm happy to take the car to our mechanics
    now... :)

    You're up one on me: I've never changed my own oil. Combination of not
    having the right equipment, comfort (temperature and crawling under a
    car), and something else needed to be done anyway so just more
    convenient to have a professional do it.


    As sort of a follow-up the external fan fixed the problem. Not
    elegantly. Hindsight may have been repairable: took the fan guard off
    and the blades almost fell out ==> seems like they had just glued the
    fan blade assembly to the motor shaft. Not sure if could have glued
    and reassembled but part of the frame inside was loose -- not sure if
    that was from unscrewing the fan guard or another problem. By the time
    I thought of maybe glueing I had snipped the positive lead to the
    original fan's motor. New 120mm fan over where the fan guard was -- do
    a test run -- seems fine!
    It works now... that's the important thing... ;) Sometimes
    figuring out what someone else was thinking when they put things
    together is more effort than just replacing things... ;)

    I probably could have taken the PSU apart to swap the fan but sort of a
    pain as would have to unplug the motherboard, etc., connectors.
    Normally not a problem but the case is a little tight and the
    motherboard socket is partially under a drive bay. Plenty of room
    otherwise. And since I don't even look inside when buttoned up doesn't
    matter what it looks like inside, though do keep things reasonably neat.

    And no more random shutdowns because of an overheating PSU -- imagine
    that! <g>


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Mon Oct 7 15:40:00 2019
    Barry,

    "So that's what the wachamacallit is called!!"

    It's actually the doomaflotchie. <G>

    You're up one on me: I've never changed my own oil. Combination of not BM>having the right equipment, comfort (temperature and crawling under a BM>car), and something else needed to be done anyway so just more
    convenient to have a professional do it.

    Same here...I let the professionals do it. I can fill the car up with gasoline, but that's about it.

    And, of course, after one eats chili dogs, pinto beans, baked beans,
    cabbage, and legumes, you fill the car up with gas. Beano, anyone?? <BG>

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Tue Oct 8 07:31:00 2019

    Hi Daryl!

    "So that's what the wachamacallit is called!!"
    It's actually the doomaflotchie. <G>

    No wonder I was having problems Googling it!


    You're up one on me: I've never changed my own oil. Combination of not
    having the right equipment, comfort (temperature and crawling under a
    car), and something else needed to be done anyway so just more
    convenient to have a professional do it.
    Same here...I let the professionals do it. I can fill the car
    up with gasoline, but that's about it.

    <chuckle> I had to be taught! At the time was full service only and so
    no reason to touch the pump. Shown how at the station I normally
    purchased gas at - easy! ...Did also learn better to fill up on the way
    home as sometimes the gas smell lingered and not a good cologne
    fragrance at work!


    And, of course, after one eats chili dogs, pinto beans, baked
    beans, cabbage, and legumes, you fill the car up with gas. Beano,
    anyone?? <BG>

    So that's why your car is called a putt-putt!

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Mon Oct 14 07:56:00 2019
    Hi Daryl!

    Hi, Barry...

    And, of course, after one eats chili dogs, pinto beans, baked
    beans, cabbage, and legumes, you fill the car up with gas. Beano, anyone?? <BG>

    So that's why your car is called a putt-putt!

    You ought to hear it when it backfires. LOL

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Wed Oct 16 10:52:00 2019

    Hi Daryl!

    And, of course, after one eats chili dogs, pinto beans, baked
    beans, cabbage, and legumes, you fill the car up with gas. Beano, anyone?? <BG>
    So that's why your car is called a putt-putt!
    You ought to hear it when it backfires. LOL

    Suuuure: blame that on your car!

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed Oct 16 10:52:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    Replying from the Pond 11 October, about 11:30am...

    Almost lunch time!



    We'll be here!
    Waiting patiently... ;)
    Well, I'l be doing something to occupy the time but won't post a
    WHERE ARE YOU?!!
    Good thing, as all the trips have made me quite erratic in
    posting... ;) I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, I
    think... my son's return flight to Turkey is on the 22nd, so that
    will be one last trip for the year... getting him back to the
    Montreal Airport... We'll close the camp for the winter just
    before I take him to the airport... :)
    Seems funny to take someone to Canadian airport but for your location probably makes more sense. Playing with Google Maps -- takes about
    an hour longer to drive to Boston than to Montreal.
    The Montreal is the closest actual international airport to the
    Pond... his flight from Istanbul was non-stop direct... and it's
    about 2 1/2 hours from the Pond...

    So makes more sense to use Montreal. Just 'sounds funny' with my
    limited experience. And LIS in a message last week, I had assumed the
    Swiss (airline) flight to Chicago was the same as the one at Boston -
    nope. Guess a thousand miles isn't that much more for an international flight.


    This system (the one I'm one currently) I have multiple windows open
    concurrently and it is only using 5.9 GB. ...As long as everyone's
    happy!
    Only. <G> 5.9GB sounds like an awful lot to me.... ;)
    Especially as I have but a small fraction of that... :)
    True: everything is relative. Think I told you or you may have read
    where my first IBM-compatible computer had a 20 MB hard drive --
    thought it would take forever to fill, especially as in the
    flipping-floppies mindset from my first computer. So nine months later
    running low on space, the sister computer becomes available (customer
    return because he or she totally screwed up the OS so the department
    manager sells to me for cheap) -- 40 MB hard drive. I eventually
    network together for a combined 60 MB -- I'll _never_ run out of room!
    ...Uh-huh! <g>
    A very common story... <G>
    I think it's kind of 'funny' the amount of RAM in the video cards I
    use is around six times what I had for storage in my original XTs.
    Yup, it can be amusing... ;) Like comparing the early full-room
    sized computers to today's Raspberry Pi machines... ;)

    <chuckle> Yup! And probably the cost of a RPi is less than one IC of
    RAM back then!



    So now you just have to figure out how to make that work... :)
    And learn Python and other programming stuff.....
    Keeps your brain limber and flexible (as long as it doesn't totally
    overwhelm [g])....
    Right now I'd have to have a need other than 'handy to know'.
    Admittedly a lot of my recent learning tends to be knee-jerk: this
    isn't working, error code is <whatever>, find what that means, etc.
    And I really have no need to do programming -- well, in-depth, do do
    some 'lite' stuff with the occasional scripting, but that's more
    cookbook: patch in bits and pieces. Is more time consuming than if I
    knew how to do from properly learning but....
    Maybe someday when you are caught up on all those projects, and
    no But Firsts get in the way.... <G> Maybe even take a course at
    the community college, or online...? :)
    Isn't Googling for the answer considered 'on-line'? <gg> Actually
    taking a classroom or on-line class wouldn't be a bad idea. By the
    time all the But Firsts have dwindled down to allow for time to take
    the classes there won't be any crisis for me to use my new knowledge
    on!
    But it could be useful for the next crisis thereafter... ;)

    True; really more reasons for than against taking the classes.



    So understanding it might make reporting bugs better/easier.... :)
    True - I'd probably know better what was expected so would be able to
    narrow down the error information.
    Or at least be able to use the right jargon correctly... ;)
    That would be helpful!
    A reason to consider the whole idea more strongly... :)
    "So that's what the wachamacallit is called!!"
    [snicker]

    There are times when I have and I have seen others describe what the
    device looks like, what the screen appearance is, etc., because don't
    know the term ==> "the display from the computer is larger than the TV's showing" "Oh, you mean 'overscan'."


    I think the largest file I've played with was 5-point-something
    gigabytes. No problems until got to a little over 4 GB and the
    filesystem on the thumbdrive truncated. (reformmated the thumbdrive
    to a different filesystem and was fine.)
    Totally mind-boggling to me... I think I'll just avoid the huge
    files and stay happily in my old small system... ;)
    Probably 95% of my files are the usual handful of megabytes; the
    over-4GB ones are recordings of TV shows and normally I don't have a
    thing to do with them other than select which one to play and the
    computers handle the rest. Manual copying is rare, with the exception
    of the Transfer Project.
    Still mind-boggling to me... ;)
    Just the copying of the usual and customary small files on a grand
    scale! ...Though sometimes get into the little details of a file system will only handle so big a file and probably some other etc's.
    True.... and EXACTLY... <G>

    One way of learning is to get thrown into the pool!


    All depends on what one needs to/wants to know. I have little
    interest in working on cars as in changing oil or even swapping out the
    battery. Others like to and I'm glad do so I can have them do the stuff
    I don't care to.
    Well, I was talking more about computers and the like, but that's
    another area that applies... ;) In previous times, I've been known
    to change my own oil (only did it once and decided it wasn't a job
    I cared to do again)... and other simple changeouts... but I'm happy
    to take the car to our mechanics now... :)
    You're up one on me: I've never changed my own oil. Combination of
    not having the right equipment, comfort (temperature and crawling under
    a car), and something else needed to be done anyway so just more convenient to have a professional do it.
    At the time, Richard was still changing his own oil, in the
    driveway, and so the pan to drain into was available... along
    with the tools... it was the crawling under the car and getting
    dirt in my hair that decided me against doing it again... <G>

    "Uh, hey Nancy - I think you got a little wild with the mascara!"


    As sort of a follow-up the external fan fixed the problem. Not
    elegantly. Hindsight may have been repairable: took the fan guard off
    and the blades almost fell out ==> seems like they had just glued the
    fan blade assembly to the motor shaft. Not sure if could have glued
    and reassembled but part of the frame inside was loose -- not sure if
    that was from unscrewing the fan guard or another problem. By the time
    I thought of maybe glueing I had snipped the positive lead to the
    original fan's motor. New 120mm fan over where the fan guard was -- do
    a test run -- seems fine!
    It works now... that's the important thing... ;) Sometimes
    figuring out what someone else was thinking when they put things
    together is more effort than just replacing things... ;)
    I probably could have taken the PSU apart to swap the fan but sort of
    a pain as would have to unplug the motherboard, etc., connectors.
    Normally not a problem but the case is a little tight and the
    motherboard socket is partially under a drive bay. Plenty of room otherwise. And since I don't even look inside when buttoned up
    doesn't matter what it looks like inside, though do keep things
    reasonably neat.
    And no more random shutdowns because of an overheating PSU -- imagine that! <g>
    Very good... mission accomplished... ;)

    Yup! Verifies the need for good airflow,


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Oct 26 19:26:40 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 16-Oct-2019 10:52 <=-

    Seems funny to take someone to Canadian airport but for your location
    probably makes more sense. Playing with Google Maps -- takes about
    an hour longer to drive to Boston than to Montreal.
    The Montreal is the closest actual international airport to the
    Pond... his flight from Istanbul was non-stop direct... and it's
    about 2 1/2 hours from the Pond...
    So makes more sense to use Montreal. Just 'sounds funny' with my
    limited experience.

    I've flown out of Toronto to Great Britain a couple of times... made for
    a less expensive and better connecting flight... A British friend of
    mine that lived here in the Rochester airport told me that she flew that
    way all the time when she'd make trips back home, so I gave it a try... :)

    And LIS in a message last week, I had assumed the Swiss (airline)
    flight to Chicago was the same as the one at Boston - nope. Guess a thousand miles isn't that much more for an international flight.

    They do tend to use the larger planes, with a longer flight ability...

    This system (the one I'm one currently) I have multiple windows open
    concurrently and it is only using 5.9 GB. ...As long as everyone's
    happy!
    Only. <G> 5.9GB sounds like an awful lot to me.... ;)
    Especially as I have but a small fraction of that... :)
    True: everything is relative. Think I told you or you may have read
    where my first IBM-compatible computer had a 20 MB hard drive --
    thought it would take forever to fill, especially as in the
    flipping-floppies mindset from my first computer. So nine months later
    running low on space, the sister computer becomes available (customer
    return because he or she totally screwed up the OS so the department
    manager sells to me for cheap) -- 40 MB hard drive. I eventually
    network together for a combined 60 MB -- I'll _never_ run out of room!
    ...Uh-huh! <g>
    A very common story... <G>
    I think it's kind of 'funny' the amount of RAM in the video cards I
    use is around six times what I had for storage in my original XTs.
    Yup, it can be amusing... ;) Like comparing the early full-room
    sized computers to today's Raspberry Pi machines... ;)
    <chuckle> Yup! And probably the cost of a RPi is less than one IC of
    RAM back then!

    No doubt... :)

    So now you just have to figure out how to make that work... :)
    And learn Python and other programming stuff.....
    Keeps your brain limber and flexible (as long as it doesn't totally
    overwhelm [g])....
    Right now I'd have to have a need other than 'handy to know'.
    Admittedly a lot of my recent learning tends to be knee-jerk: this
    isn't working, error code is <whatever>, find what that means, etc.
    And I really have no need to do programming -- well, in-depth, do do
    some 'lite' stuff with the occasional scripting, but that's more
    cookbook: patch in bits and pieces. Is more time consuming than if I
    knew how to do from properly learning but....
    Maybe someday when you are caught up on all those projects, and
    no But Firsts get in the way.... <G> Maybe even take a course at
    the community college, or online...? :)
    Isn't Googling for the answer considered 'on-line'? <gg> Actually
    taking a classroom or on-line class wouldn't be a bad idea. By the
    time all the But Firsts have dwindled down to allow for time to take
    the classes there won't be any crisis for me to use my new knowledge
    on!
    But it could be useful for the next crisis thereafter... ;)
    True; really more reasons for than against taking the classes.

    That's what it was looking like to me... :)

    So understanding it might make reporting bugs better/easier.... :)
    True - I'd probably know better what was expected so would be able to
    narrow down the error information.
    Or at least be able to use the right jargon correctly... ;)
    That would be helpful!
    A reason to consider the whole idea more strongly... :)
    "So that's what the wachamacallit is called!!"
    [snicker]
    There are times when I have and I have seen others describe what the device looks like, what the screen appearance is, etc., because don't
    know the term ==> "the display from the computer is larger than the
    TV's showing" "Oh, you mean 'overscan'."

    When one doesn't know the word, description is definitely the way to
    go... and then one might even learn the right word for it... :)

    Totally mind-boggling to me... I think I'll just avoid the huge
    files and stay happily in my old small system... ;)
    Probably 95% of my files are the usual handful of megabytes; the
    over-4GB ones are recordings of TV shows and normally I don't have a
    thing to do with them other than select which one to play and the
    computers handle the rest. Manual copying is rare, with the exception
    of the Transfer Project.
    Still mind-boggling to me... ;)
    Just the copying of the usual and customary small files on a grand
    scale! ...Though sometimes get into the little details of a file system
    will only handle so big a file and probably some other etc's.
    True.... and EXACTLY... <G>
    One way of learning is to get thrown into the pool!

    As long as one doesn't drown doing it... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Oct 27 09:30:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    Seems funny to take someone to Canadian airport but for your location
    probably makes more sense. Playing with Google Maps -- takes about
    an hour longer to drive to Boston than to Montreal.
    The Montreal is the closest actual international airport to the
    Pond... his flight from Istanbul was non-stop direct... and it's
    about 2 1/2 hours from the Pond...
    So makes more sense to use Montreal. Just 'sounds funny' with my
    limited experience.
    I've flown out of Toronto to Great Britain a couple of times...
    made for a less expensive and better connecting flight... A
    British friend of mine that lived here in the Rochester airport
    told me that she flew that way all the time when she'd make trips
    back home, so I gave it a try... :)

    Makes sense. The various locations play a big part. When I was growing
    up in southern New Hampshire any major flying was done out of Logan International (Boston - BOS); there was an airport in Nashua NH but no commercial flights, next one was in Manchester NH -- I don't recall much
    about it back then other than it was a military airbase. While I was in college Manchester (MHT) took off (no pun intended!) and became an
    alternative of sorts to Logan, only 50 miles away. That allowed it to
    really expand and is now "Manchester - Boston Regional", so a lot of
    travel which had gone to BOS now goes to MHT. Lots of shuttle services between the two airports and the areas between, air and ground.


    And LIS in a message last week, I had assumed the Swiss (airline)
    flight to Chicago was the same as the one at Boston - nope. Guess a thousand miles isn't that much more for an international flight.
    They do tend to use the larger planes, with a longer flight
    ability...

    When tends to work out well as landing in the ocean to refuel isn't
    done! ...Overland one needs to watch out for those short runways!

    Also was thinking: we tend to think of the Earht as flat. Not thinking
    Flat Earth Society flat, but flat as in table top map rather than the
    actual sphere, which tends to alter the pereption of where things are.
    Looking at a flight path mapping ORD to ZUR is a definite arced route on
    the flat map -- closer to a straight line on a globe. Plus that route
    is north of the US's New England boarder with Canada, so BOS is a
    detour. (The things one finds out with these little chats!)



    So now you just have to figure out how to make that work... :)
    And learn Python and other programming stuff.....
    Keeps your brain limber and flexible (as long as it doesn't totally
    overwhelm [g])....
    Right now I'd have to have a need other than 'handy to know'.
    Admittedly a lot of my recent learning tends to be knee-jerk: this
    isn't working, error code is <whatever>, find what that means, etc.
    And I really have no need to do programming -- well, in-depth, do do
    some 'lite' stuff with the occasional scripting, but that's more
    cookbook: patch in bits and pieces. Is more time consuming than if I
    knew how to do from properly learning but....
    Maybe someday when you are caught up on all those projects, and
    no But Firsts get in the way.... <G> Maybe even take a course at
    the community college, or online...? :)
    Isn't Googling for the answer considered 'on-line'? <gg> Actually
    taking a classroom or on-line class wouldn't be a bad idea. By the
    time all the But Firsts have dwindled down to allow for time to take
    the classes there won't be any crisis for me to use my new knowledge
    on!
    But it could be useful for the next crisis thereafter... ;)
    True; really more reasons for than against taking the classes.
    That's what it was looking like to me... :)

    But First....!


    So understanding it might make reporting bugs better/easier.... :)
    True - I'd probably know better what was expected so would be able to
    narrow down the error information.
    Or at least be able to use the right jargon correctly... ;)
    That would be helpful!
    A reason to consider the whole idea more strongly... :)
    "So that's what the wachamacallit is called!!"
    [snicker]
    There are times when I have and I have seen others describe what the device looks like, what the screen appearance is, etc., because don't
    know the term ==> "the display from the computer is larger than the
    TV's showing" "Oh, you mean 'overscan'."
    When one doesn't know the word, description is definitely the way
    to go... and then one might even learn the right word for it...
    :)

    Right. Some times the correct word makes just as much if not more sense
    than the descriptive word/s: "picture too big" ==> "overscan", though
    that makes sense only if one realizes the display on the screen is
    really being scanned and not magically appears. OTOH "judder' -- maybe
    derived from 'jerking' and 'shudder'? ...My brain hurts!


    Totally mind-boggling to me... I think I'll just avoid the huge
    files and stay happily in my old small system... ;)
    Probably 95% of my files are the usual handful of megabytes; the
    over-4GB ones are recordings of TV shows and normally I don't have a
    thing to do with them other than select which one to play and the
    computers handle the rest. Manual copying is rare, with the exception
    of the Transfer Project.
    Still mind-boggling to me... ;)
    Just the copying of the usual and customary small files on a grand
    scale! ...Though sometimes get into the little details of a file system
    will only handle so big a file and probably some other etc's.
    True.... and EXACTLY... <G>
    One way of learning is to get thrown into the pool!
    As long as one doesn't drown doing it... <G>

    But then one could have a whole new set of error messages! Reboot could
    be 'everone out of the pool'; a computer freeze could be 'system went
    ice fishing but the hole disappeared'.....

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Nov 1 01:47:46 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 27-Oct-2019 09:30 <=-

    So makes more sense to use Montreal. Just 'sounds funny' with my
    limited experience.
    I've flown out of Toronto to Great Britain a couple of times... made
    for a less expensive and better connecting flight... A British friend
    of mine that lived here in the Rochester airport told me that she
    flew that way all the time when she'd make trips back home, so I gave
    it a try... :)
    Makes sense. The various locations play a big part.

    Exactly. :)

    When I was growing up in southern New Hampshire any major flying was
    done out of Logan International (Boston - BOS); there was an airport
    in Nashua NH but no commercial flights, next one was in Manchester NH
    -- I don't recall much about it back then other than it was a military airbase. While I was in college Manchester (MHT) took off (no pun intended!) and became an alternative of sorts to Logan, only 50 miles away. That allowed it to really expand and is now "Manchester -
    Boston Regional", so a lot of travel which had gone to BOS now goes
    to MHT. Lots of shuttle services between the two airports and the
    areas between, air and ground.

    Makes sense to divert some of the traffic off of Logan... keep it from
    getting too congested....

    And LIS in a message last week, I had assumed the Swiss (airline)
    flight to Chicago was the same as the one at Boston - nope. Guess a
    thousand miles isn't that much more for an international flight.
    They do tend to use the larger planes, with a longer flight
    ability...
    When tends to work out well as landing in the ocean to refuel isn't
    done! ...Overland one needs to watch out for those short runways!

    Yup... both need to be accounted for... :)

    Also was thinking: we tend to think of the Earth as flat. Not
    thinking Flat Earth Society flat, but flat as in table top map rather
    than the actual sphere, which tends to alter the perception of where things are. Looking at a flight path mapping ORD to ZUR is a definite arced route on the flat map -- closer to a straight line on a globe.
    Plus that route is north of the US's New England boarder with Canada,
    so BOS is a detour. (The things one finds out with these little
    chats!)

    Never know what might prompt looking up things and learning details... ;)

    Maybe someday when you are caught up on all those projects, and
    no But Firsts get in the way.... <G> Maybe even take a course at
    the community college, or online...? :)
    Isn't Googling for the answer considered 'on-line'? <gg> Actually
    taking a classroom or on-line class wouldn't be a bad idea. By the
    time all the But Firsts have dwindled down to allow for time to take
    the classes there won't be any crisis for me to use my new knowledge
    on!
    But it could be useful for the next crisis thereafter... ;)
    True; really more reasons for than against taking the classes.
    That's what it was looking like to me... :)
    But First....!

    No, no.... we were going to try to get past all of those... <G>

    There are times when I have and I have seen others describe what the
    device looks like, what the screen appearance is, etc., because don't
    know the term ==> "the display from the computer is larger than the
    TV's showing" "Oh, you mean 'overscan'."
    When one doesn't know the word, description is definitely the way to
    go... and then one might even learn the right word for it... :)
    Right. Some times the correct word makes just as much if not more
    sense than the descriptive word/s: "picture too big" ==> "overscan", though that makes sense only if one realizes the display on the screen
    is really being scanned and not magically appears. OTOH "judder' --
    maybe derived from 'jerking' and 'shudder'? ...My brain hurts!

    Now that's a word I'd not heard before.... ;)

    Still mind-boggling to me... ;)
    Just the copying of the usual and customary small files on a grand
    scale! ...Though sometimes get into the little details of a file system
    will only handle so big a file and probably some other etc's.
    True.... and EXACTLY... <G>
    One way of learning is to get thrown into the pool!
    As long as one doesn't drown doing it... <G>
    But then one could have a whole new set of error messages! Reboot
    could be 'everone out of the pool'; a computer freeze could be 'system went ice fishing but the hole disappeared'.....

    No thank you..... ;0

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Nov 1 10:07:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    So makes more sense to use Montreal. Just 'sounds funny' with my
    limited experience.
    I've flown out of Toronto to Great Britain a couple of times... made
    for a less expensive and better connecting flight... A British friend
    of mine that lived here in the Rochester airport told me that she
    flew that way all the time when she'd make trips back home, so I gave
    it a try... :)
    Makes sense. The various locations play a big part.
    Exactly. :)

    I don't have a reason to fly to Vienna without my Mother so "picking her
    up in Boston" is the only makes-sense option. And she really-really-
    REALLY likes Swiss (airline) so not going to change that.

    As for any other flying, Moline (IL - MLI) is just too convenient so
    would be the starting and ending points. Easy to fly into Chicago or
    Detroit (United and Delta hubs, respectively), or other cities. LIS,
    mostly depends on location.


    When I was growing up in southern New Hampshire any major flying was
    done out of Logan International (Boston - BOS); there was an airport
    in Nashua NH but no commercial flights, next one was in Manchester NH
    -- I don't recall much about it back then other than it was a military airbase. While I was in college Manchester (MHT) took off (no pun intended!) and became an alternative of sorts to Logan, only 50 miles away. That allowed it to really expand and is now "Manchester -
    Boston Regional", so a lot of travel which had gone to BOS now goes
    to MHT. Lots of shuttle services between the two airports and the
    areas between, air and ground.
    Makes sense to divert some of the traffic off of Logan... keep it
    from getting too congested....

    Right, and I don't think they can expand too much -- fill in Boston Bay?
    <g> No idea if there was an actual plan to make Manchester (NH) the
    'expansion' or if it just sort of happened.



    Also was thinking: we tend to think of the Earth as flat. Not
    thinking Flat Earth Society flat, but flat as in table top map rather
    than the actual sphere, which tends to alter the perception of where things are. Looking at a flight path mapping ORD to ZUR is a definite arced route on the flat map -- closer to a straight line on a globe.
    Plus that route is north of the US's New England boarder with Canada,
    so BOS is a detour. (The things one finds out with these little
    chats!)
    Never know what might prompt looking up things and learning
    details... ;)

    Keep going East and I end up in ....Spain?! I'll admit to generally
    thinking England or maybe France is more easterly but they're north.
    Does make sense because know the coastal ocean water flow is pushed out towards England and causes their fog by Cape Cod. (Filed under "Things
    only a New Englander generally knows". <g>)




    Maybe someday when you are caught up on all those projects, and
    no But Firsts get in the way.... <G> Maybe even take a course at
    the community college, or online...? :)
    Isn't Googling for the answer considered 'on-line'? <gg> Actually
    taking a classroom or on-line class wouldn't be a bad idea. By the
    time all the But Firsts have dwindled down to allow for time to take
    the classes there won't be any crisis for me to use my new knowledge
    on!
    But it could be useful for the next crisis thereafter... ;)
    True; really more reasons for than against taking the classes.
    That's what it was looking like to me... :)
    But First....!
    No, no.... we were going to try to get past all of those... <G>

    They're everywhere! They're everywhere!!


    There are times when I have and I have seen others describe what the
    device looks like, what the screen appearance is, etc., because don't
    know the term ==> "the display from the computer is larger than the
    TV's showing" "Oh, you mean 'overscan'."
    When one doesn't know the word, description is definitely the way to
    go... and then one might even learn the right word for it... :)
    Right. Some times the correct word makes just as much if not more
    sense than the descriptive word/s: "picture too big" ==> "overscan", though that makes sense only if one realizes the display on the screen
    is really being scanned and not magically appears. OTOH "judder' --
    maybe derived from 'jerking' and 'shudder'? ...My brain hurts!
    Now that's a word I'd not heard before.... ;)

    Nor I, which probably contributed to why I (and others) didn't know how
    to describe the visual effect in a single word.



    Still mind-boggling to me... ;)
    Just the copying of the usual and customary small files on a grand
    scale! ...Though sometimes get into the little details of a file system
    will only handle so big a file and probably some other etc's.
    True.... and EXACTLY... <G>
    One way of learning is to get thrown into the pool!
    As long as one doesn't drown doing it... <G>
    But then one could have a whole new set of error messages! Reboot
    could be 'everone out of the pool'; a computer freeze could be 'system went ice fishing but the hole disappeared'.....
    No thank you..... ;0

    I'm thinking the novelty would wear off very quickly.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Nov 8 18:53:14 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 01-Nov-2019 10:07 <=-

    I don't have a reason to fly to Vienna without my Mother so "picking
    her up in Boston" is the only makes-sense option. And she
    really-really- REALLY likes Swiss (airline) so not going to change
    that.
    As for any other flying, Moline (IL - MLI) is just too convenient so
    would be the starting and ending points. Easy to fly into Chicago or Detroit (United and Delta hubs, respectively), or other cities. LIS, mostly depends on location.

    Indeed... both your location, and where you are trying to get to... :)

    When I was growing up in southern New Hampshire any major flying was
    done out of Logan International (Boston - BOS); there was an airport
    in Nashua NH but no commercial flights, next one was in Manchester NH
    -- I don't recall much about it back then other than it was a military
    airbase. While I was in college Manchester (MHT) took off (no pun
    intended!) and became an alternative of sorts to Logan, only 50 miles
    away. That allowed it to really expand and is now "Manchester -
    Boston Regional", so a lot of travel which had gone to BOS now goes
    to MHT. Lots of shuttle services between the two airports and the
    areas between, air and ground.
    Makes sense to divert some of the traffic off of Logan... keep it
    from getting too congested....
    Right, and I don't think they can expand too much -- fill in Boston
    Bay? <g> No idea if there was an actual plan to make Manchester (NH) the 'expansion' or if it just sort of happened.

    Hard to say... could have been either, or some of both... The airports
    around DC are similar, at taking some of the load off each other... with
    BWI the major one, and the other two having their own particular
    benefits for certain situations... ;)

    Also was thinking: we tend to think of the Earth as flat. Not
    thinking Flat Earth Society flat, but flat as in table top map rather
    than the actual sphere, which tends to alter the perception of where
    things are. Looking at a flight path mapping ORD to ZUR is a definite
    arced route on the flat map -- closer to a straight line on a globe.
    Plus that route is north of the US's New England boarder with Canada,
    so BOS is a detour. (The things one finds out with these little
    chats!)
    Never know what might prompt looking up things and learning details...
    Keep going East and I end up in ....Spain?! I'll admit to generally thinking England or maybe France is more easterly but they're north.
    Does make sense because know the coastal ocean water flow is pushed
    out towards England and causes their fog by Cape Cod. (Filed under "Things only a New Englander generally knows". <g>)

    UBI's, a friend of mine used to call things like that... Useless Bits of Information.... but often interesting... <G>

    There are times when I have and I have seen others describe what the
    device looks like, what the screen appearance is, etc., because don't
    know the term ==> "the display from the computer is larger than the
    TV's showing" "Oh, you mean 'overscan'."
    When one doesn't know the word, description is definitely the way to
    go... and then one might even learn the right word for it... :)
    Right. Some times the correct word makes just as much if not more
    sense than the descriptive word/s: "picture too big" ==> "overscan",
    though that makes sense only if one realizes the display on the screen
    is really being scanned and not magically appears. OTOH "judder' --
    maybe derived from 'jerking' and 'shudder'? ...My brain hurts!
    Now that's a word I'd not heard before.... ;)
    Nor I, which probably contributed to why I (and others) didn't know
    how to describe the visual effect in a single word.

    But a useful word to learn, at least in this context... :)

    One way of learning is to get thrown into the pool!
    As long as one doesn't drown doing it... <G>
    But then one could have a whole new set of error messages! Reboot
    could be 'everone out of the pool'; a computer freeze could be 'system
    went ice fishing but the hole disappeared'.....
    No thank you..... ;0
    I'm thinking the novelty would wear off very quickly.

    Exactly...!

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Nov 9 17:22:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    Hmm: starting to get dark out there and not even dinner time!

    I don't have a reason to fly to Vienna without my Mother so "picking
    her up in Boston" is the only makes-sense option. And she
    really-really- REALLY likes Swiss (airline) so not going to change
    that.
    As for any other flying, Moline (IL - MLI) is just too convenient so
    would be the starting and ending points. Easy to fly into Chicago or Detroit (United and Delta hubs, respectively), or other cities. LIS, mostly depends on location.
    Indeed... both your location, and where you are trying to get
    to... :)

    Right. And LIS last summer was considering changing routes a bit just
    so wouldn't have to get up so early for the starting leg -- good thing I
    didn't because of something happening at the terminal I was considering
    flying in to. Not recalling what it was but would have more than likely delayed my arrival in NH, so all the convenience of a little extra sleep
    would have been discarded.


    When I was growing up in southern New Hampshire any major flying was
    done out of Logan International (Boston - BOS); there was an airport
    in Nashua NH but no commercial flights, next one was in Manchester NH
    -- I don't recall much about it back then other than it was a military
    airbase. While I was in college Manchester (MHT) took off (no pun
    intended!) and became an alternative of sorts to Logan, only 50 miles
    away. That allowed it to really expand and is now "Manchester -
    Boston Regional", so a lot of travel which had gone to BOS now goes
    to MHT. Lots of shuttle services between the two airports and the
    areas between, air and ground.
    Makes sense to divert some of the traffic off of Logan... keep it
    from getting too congested....
    Right, and I don't think they can expand too much -- fill in Boston
    Bay? <g> No idea if there was an actual plan to make Manchester (NH) the 'expansion' or if it just sort of happened.
    Hard to say... could have been either, or some of both... The
    airports around DC are similar, at taking some of the load off
    each other... with BWI the major one, and the other two having
    their own particular benefits for certain situations... ;)

    I think somewhat the same for Chicago's O'Hare (ORD) and Midway (CHIA --
    hmm: go to Brazil and land at PET ?!) -- close enough to take some of
    the traffic off the primary airport.



    Also was thinking: we tend to think of the Earth as flat. Not
    thinking Flat Earth Society flat, but flat as in table top map rather
    than the actual sphere, which tends to alter the perception of where
    things are. Looking at a flight path mapping ORD to ZUR is a definite
    arced route on the flat map -- closer to a straight line on a globe.
    Plus that route is north of the US's New England boarder with Canada,
    so BOS is a detour. (The things one finds out with these little
    chats!)
    Never know what might prompt looking up things and learning details...
    Keep going East and I end up in ....Spain?! I'll admit to generally thinking England or maybe France is more easterly but they're north.
    Does make sense because know the coastal ocean water flow is pushed
    out towards England and causes their fog by Cape Cod. (Filed under "Things only a New Englander generally knows". <g>)
    UBI's, a friend of mine used to call things like that... Useless
    Bits of Information.... but often interesting... <G>

    :) And sometimes called 'trivia': not too important, but sometimes
    important enough in some instances not to be trivial.


    There are times when I have and I have seen others describe what the
    device looks like, what the screen appearance is, etc., because don't
    know the term ==> "the display from the computer is larger than the
    TV's showing" "Oh, you mean 'overscan'."
    When one doesn't know the word, description is definitely the way to
    go... and then one might even learn the right word for it... :)
    Right. Some times the correct word makes just as much if not more
    sense than the descriptive word/s: "picture too big" ==> "overscan",
    though that makes sense only if one realizes the display on the screen
    is really being scanned and not magically appears. OTOH "judder' --
    maybe derived from 'jerking' and 'shudder'? ...My brain hurts!
    Now that's a word I'd not heard before.... ;)
    Nor I, which probably contributed to why I (and others) didn't know
    how to describe the visual effect in a single word.
    But a useful word to learn, at least in this context... :)

    Yes, as you have said in other messages better to learn the right word
    to use. Though as the taglines says, what's the use of learning how to
    speak proper English if no one will understand. <g> ("Doo-flingy" is
    not a sufficiently technical term in just about any conversation.)
    OTOH, one does have to find out what the correct word is in order to be
    able to use it.


    One way of learning is to get thrown into the pool!
    As long as one doesn't drown doing it... <G>
    But then one could have a whole new set of error messages! Reboot
    could be 'everone out of the pool'; a computer freeze could be 'system
    went ice fishing but the hole disappeared'.....
    No thank you..... ;0
    I'm thinking the novelty would wear off very quickly.
    Exactly...!

    "The wording is there but no one there to appreciate"?


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue Nov 19 23:00:40 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 09-Nov-2019 17:22 <=-

    As for any other flying, Moline (IL - MLI) is just too convenient so
    would be the starting and ending points. Easy to fly into Chicago or
    Detroit (United and Delta hubs, respectively), or other cities. LIS,
    mostly depends on location.
    Indeed... both your location, and where you are trying to get to.. :)
    Right. And LIS last summer was considering changing routes a bit just
    so wouldn't have to get up so early for the starting leg -- good thing
    I didn't because of something happening at the terminal I was
    considering flying in to. Not recalling what it was but would have
    more than likely delayed my arrival in NH, so all the convenience of a little extra sleep would have been discarded.

    Guess you lucked out there, then... :)

    When I was growing up in southern New Hampshire any major flying was
    done out of Logan International (Boston - BOS); there was an airport
    in Nashua NH but no commercial flights, next one was in Manchester NH
    -- I don't recall much about it back then other than it was a military
    airbase. While I was in college Manchester (MHT) took off (no pun
    intended!) and became an alternative of sorts to Logan, only 50 miles
    away. That allowed it to really expand and is now "Manchester -
    Boston Regional", so a lot of travel which had gone to BOS now goes
    to MHT. Lots of shuttle services between the two airports and the
    areas between, air and ground.
    Makes sense to divert some of the traffic off of Logan... keep it
    from getting too congested....
    Right, and I don't think they can expand too much -- fill in Boston
    Bay? <g> No idea if there was an actual plan to make Manchester (NH)
    the 'expansion' or if it just sort of happened.
    Hard to say... could have been either, or some of both... The
    airports around DC are similar, at taking some of the load off each
    other... with BWI the major one, and the other two having their own
    particular benefits for certain situations... ;)
    I think somewhat the same for Chicago's O'Hare (ORD) and Midway (CHIA
    -- hmm: go to Brazil and land at PET ?!) -- close enough to take some
    of the traffic off the primary airport.

    And similarly for NYC, between Newark, JFK and LaGuardia... :)

    Never know what might prompt looking up things and learning details...
    Keep going East and I end up in ....Spain?! I'll admit to generally
    thinking England or maybe France is more easterly but they're north.
    Does make sense because know the coastal ocean water flow is pushed
    out towards England and causes their fog by Cape Cod. (Filed under
    "Things only a New Englander generally knows". <g>)
    UBI's, a friend of mine used to call things like that... Useless
    Bits of Information.... but often interesting... <G>
    :) And sometimes called 'trivia': not too important, but sometimes important enough in some instances not to be trivial.

    Exactly, sometimes not really that useless... :)

    OTOH "judder' -- maybe derived from 'jerking' and 'shudder'?
    ...My brain hurts!
    Now that's a word I'd not heard before.... ;)
    Nor I, which probably contributed to why I (and others) didn't know
    how to describe the visual effect in a single word.
    But a useful word to learn, at least in this context... :)
    Yes, as you have said in other messages better to learn the right word
    to use. Though as the taglines says, what's the use of learning how
    to speak proper English if no one will understand. <g> ("Doo-flingy"
    is not a sufficiently technical term in just about any conversation.) OTOH, one does have to find out what the correct word is in order to
    be able to use it.

    One has the satisfaction of using the proper word... ;) And then the
    fun of having to interpret it to everyone else... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed Nov 20 09:17:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    As for any other flying, Moline (IL - MLI) is just too convenient so
    would be the starting and ending points. Easy to fly into Chicago or
    Detroit (United and Delta hubs, respectively), or other cities. LIS,
    mostly depends on location.
    Indeed... both your location, and where you are trying to get to.. :)
    Right. And LIS last summer was considering changing routes a bit just
    so wouldn't have to get up so early for the starting leg -- good thing
    I didn't because of something happening at the terminal I was
    considering flying in to. Not recalling what it was but would have
    more than likely delayed my arrival in NH, so all the convenience of a little extra sleep would have been discarded.
    Guess you lucked out there, then... :)

    Unless I had been able to doze amidst whatever the problem had been!


    When I was growing up in southern New Hampshire any major flying was
    done out of Logan International (Boston - BOS); there was an airport
    in Nashua NH but no commercial flights, next one was in Manchester NH
    -- I don't recall much about it back then other than it was a military
    airbase. While I was in college Manchester (MHT) took off (no pun
    intended!) and became an alternative of sorts to Logan, only 50 miles
    away. That allowed it to really expand and is now "Manchester -
    Boston Regional", so a lot of travel which had gone to BOS now goes
    to MHT. Lots of shuttle services between the two airports and the
    areas between, air and ground.
    Makes sense to divert some of the traffic off of Logan... keep it
    from getting too congested....
    Right, and I don't think they can expand too much -- fill in Boston
    Bay? <g> No idea if there was an actual plan to make Manchester (NH)
    the 'expansion' or if it just sort of happened.
    Hard to say... could have been either, or some of both... The
    airports around DC are similar, at taking some of the load off each
    other... with BWI the major one, and the other two having their own
    particular benefits for certain situations... ;)
    I think somewhat the same for Chicago's O'Hare (ORD) and Midway (CHIA
    -- hmm: go to Brazil and land at PET ?!) -- close enough to take some
    of the traffic off the primary airport.
    And similarly for NYC, between Newark, JFK and LaGuardia... :)

    Probably just more of the 'hindsight is 20/20': if had known air travel
    would become so popular and the planes becoming so large they
    (possibily) would have allocated more room for airport expansion: the
    landing areas, terminals, and structures around in the landing paths.
    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new
    floating airport and land....



    Never know what might prompt looking up things and learning details...
    Keep going East and I end up in ....Spain?! I'll admit to generally
    thinking England or maybe France is more easterly but they're north.
    Does make sense because know the coastal ocean water flow is pushed
    out towards England and causes their fog by Cape Cod. (Filed under
    "Things only a New Englander generally knows". <g>)
    UBI's, a friend of mine used to call things like that... Useless
    Bits of Information.... but often interesting... <G>
    :) And sometimes called 'trivia': not too important, but sometimes important enough in some instances not to be trivial.
    Exactly, sometimes not really that useless... :)

    Right: everything has importance, just not always important.


    OTOH "judder' -- maybe derived from 'jerking' and 'shudder'?
    ...My brain hurts!
    Now that's a word I'd not heard before.... ;)
    Nor I, which probably contributed to why I (and others) didn't know
    how to describe the visual effect in a single word.
    But a useful word to learn, at least in this context... :)
    Yes, as you have said in other messages better to learn the right word
    to use. Though as the taglines says, what's the use of learning how
    to speak proper English if no one will understand. <g> ("Doo-flingy"
    is not a sufficiently technical term in just about any conversation.) OTOH, one does have to find out what the correct word is in order to
    be able to use it.
    One has the satisfaction of using the proper word... ;) And then
    the fun of having to interpret it to everyone else... :)

    I've had numerous times when I've had to pause and come up with common
    terms when trying to explain why something isn't working/working
    properly. Or when asked if something will work: the answer isn't always
    yes or no.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Nov 30 19:55:42 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 20-Nov-2019 09:17 <=-

    Hard to say... could have been either, or some of both... The
    airports around DC are similar, at taking some of the load off each
    other... with BWI the major one, and the other two having their own
    particular benefits for certain situations... ;)
    I think somewhat the same for Chicago's O'Hare (ORD) and Midway (CHIA
    -- hmm: go to Brazil and land at PET ?!) -- close enough to take some
    of the traffic off the primary airport.
    And similarly for NYC, between Newark, JFK and LaGuardia... :)
    Probably just more of the 'hindsight is 20/20': if had known air
    travel would become so popular and the planes becoming so large they (possibily) would have allocated more room for airport expansion: the landing areas, terminals, and structures around in the landing paths.

    There probably wasn't any way of knowing how much things would actually
    expand, just like we've discussed about the expressway systems growing
    like Topsy and needing room that just isn't there... Or the proverbial statement by Bill Gates about what capacities a computer should have...

    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new floating airport and land....

    Now that's a creative concept.... ;)

    OTOH "judder' -- maybe derived from 'jerking' and 'shudder'?
    ...My brain hurts!
    Now that's a word I'd not heard before.... ;)
    Nor I, which probably contributed to why I (and others) didn't know
    how to describe the visual effect in a single word.
    But a useful word to learn, at least in this context... :)
    Yes, as you have said in other messages better to learn the right word
    to use. Though as the taglines says, what's the use of learning how
    to speak proper English if no one will understand. <g> ("Doo-flingy"
    is not a sufficiently technical term in just about any conversation.)
    OTOH, one does have to find out what the correct word is in order to
    be able to use it.
    One has the satisfaction of using the proper word... ;) And then
    the fun of having to interpret it to everyone else... :)
    I've had numerous times when I've had to pause and come up with common terms when trying to explain why something isn't working/working
    properly. Or when asked if something will work: the answer isn't
    always yes or no.

    Communication just gets so complicated, doesn't it... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Dec 1 11:36:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    Hard to say... could have been either, or some of both... The
    airports around DC are similar, at taking some of the load off each
    other... with BWI the major one, and the other two having their own
    particular benefits for certain situations... ;)
    I think somewhat the same for Chicago's O'Hare (ORD) and Midway (CHIA
    -- hmm: go to Brazil and land at PET ?!) -- close enough to take some
    of the traffic off the primary airport.
    And similarly for NYC, between Newark, JFK and LaGuardia... :)
    Probably just more of the 'hindsight is 20/20': if had known air
    travel would become so popular and the planes becoming so large they (possibily) would have allocated more room for airport expansion: the landing areas, terminals, and structures around in the landing paths.
    There probably wasn't any way of knowing how much things would
    actually expand, just like we've discussed about the expressway
    systems growing like Topsy and needing room that just isn't
    there... Or the proverbial statement by Bill Gates about what
    capacities a computer should have...

    All true. Part of the now-outdated thinking is back then didn't have
    the capabilities nor the considerations. Move stuff across the country?
    By rail, of course! IIRC the interstate system was more for quick
    movements of troops and Joe Public got to travel as a side benefit. As
    for Bill Gates' alleged statement, seems like all of the high-ranking
    people of the companies around then and now heavily into computers made
    some statement about they (computers) will never be used by the average consumer.


    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new floating airport and land....
    Now that's a creative concept.... ;)

    Once in a while I come up with comething good!


    OTOH "judder' -- maybe derived from 'jerking' and 'shudder'?
    ...My brain hurts!
    Now that's a word I'd not heard before.... ;)
    Nor I, which probably contributed to why I (and others) didn't know
    how to describe the visual effect in a single word.
    But a useful word to learn, at least in this context... :)
    Yes, as you have said in other messages better to learn the right word
    to use. Though as the taglines says, what's the use of learning how
    to speak proper English if no one will understand. <g> ("Doo-flingy"
    is not a sufficiently technical term in just about any conversation.)
    OTOH, one does have to find out what the correct word is in order to
    be able to use it.
    One has the satisfaction of using the proper word... ;) And then
    the fun of having to interpret it to everyone else... :)
    I've had numerous times when I've had to pause and come up with common terms when trying to explain why something isn't working/working
    properly. Or when asked if something will work: the answer isn't
    always yes or no.
    Communication just gets so complicated, doesn't it... <G>

    It can! :)


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Dec 5 22:09:10 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 01-Dec-2019 11:36 <=-

    And similarly for NYC, between Newark, JFK and LaGuardia... :)
    Probably just more of the 'hindsight is 20/20': if had known air
    travel would become so popular and the planes becoming so large they
    (possibily) would have allocated more room for airport expansion: the
    landing areas, terminals, and structures around in the landing paths.
    There probably wasn't any way of knowing how much things would actually
    expand, just like we've discussed about the expressway systems growing
    like Topsy and needing room that just isn't there... Or the proverbial
    statement by Bill Gates about what capacity a computer should have...
    All true. Part of the now-outdated thinking is back then didn't have
    the capabilities nor the considerations. Move stuff across the
    country? By rail, of course! IIRC the interstate system was more for quick movements of troops and Joe Public got to travel as a side
    benefit.

    It wasn't just for troop movement... I think it was somewhat a vision
    for needing to move large amounts of people/goods in the event of an
    emergency, but not really thought of as a system for everyday travel
    until it was well into development....

    As for Bill Gates' alleged statement, seems like all of the
    high-ranking people of the companies around then and now heavily into computers made some statement about they (computers) will never be used
    by the average consumer.

    Hindsight is so much more accurate than cautious foresight.... ;) But
    the business computers obviously needed more capability than that
    original small amount, even from early on.... :)

    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new
    floating airport and land....
    Now that's a creative concept.... ;)
    Once in a while I come up with comething good!

    Not sure how it would be implemented, though.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Dec 6 09:45:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    And similarly for NYC, between Newark, JFK and LaGuardia... :)
    Probably just more of the 'hindsight is 20/20': if had known air
    travel would become so popular and the planes becoming so large they
    (possibily) would have allocated more room for airport expansion: the
    landing areas, terminals, and structures around in the landing paths.
    There probably wasn't any way of knowing how much things would actually
    expand, just like we've discussed about the expressway systems growing
    like Topsy and needing room that just isn't there... Or the proverbial
    statement by Bill Gates about what capacity a computer should have...
    All true. Part of the now-outdated thinking is back then didn't have
    the capabilities nor the considerations. Move stuff across the
    country? By rail, of course! IIRC the interstate system was more for quick movements of troops and Joe Public got to travel as a side
    benefit.
    It wasn't just for troop movement... I think it was somewhat a
    vision for needing to move large amounts of people/goods in the
    event of an emergency, but not really thought of as a system for
    everyday travel until it was well into development....

    OK, I don't recall the 'large amounts of people/goods' but makes sense. Fortunately haven't seen that with war but have seen when Mother Nature
    gets mad.


    As for Bill Gates' alleged statement, seems like all of the
    high-ranking people of the companies around then and now heavily into computers made some statement about they (computers) will never be used
    by the average consumer.
    Hindsight is so much more accurate than cautious foresight.... ;)
    But the business computers obviously needed more capability than
    that original small amount, even from early on.... :)

    True. As for the capacity of the business machines, probably the
    thinking was along the lines of mine early: was relatively easy to flip floppies ==> pull out one floppy, insert another. They did hold a lot
    of data, or at least by the considerations of that time.

    For fun a quick bit of Googling (to use activate their floppies!)

    1 TB = 754297.03126098 floppy disk (3.5", HD)

    = 2744116.61398 5.25" DD floppies

    So I'd need close to three million of my old floppies. That's a lot of flipping!!


    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new
    floating airport and land....
    Now that's a creative concept.... ;)
    Once in a while I come up with something good!
    Not sure how it would be implemented, though.... ;)

    Plus doesn't seem like it would work all that well for non-coastal
    sites.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue Dec 17 02:17:48 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 06-Dec-2019 09:45 <=-

    There probably wasn't any way of knowing how much things would actually
    expand, just like we've discussed about the expressway systems growing
    like Topsy and needing room that just isn't there...
    Part of the now-outdated thinking is back then didn't have the
    capabilities nor the considerations. Move stuff across the country?
    By rail, of course! IIRC the interstate system was more for quick
    movements of troops and Joe Public got to travel as a side benefit.
    It wasn't just for troop movement... I think it was somewhat a vision
    for needing to move large amounts of people/goods in the event of an
    emergency, but not really thought of as a system for everyday travel
    until it was well into development....
    OK, I don't recall the 'large amounts of people/goods' but makes
    sense. Fortunately haven't seen that with war but have seen when Mother Nature gets mad.

    Also useful for when something large explodes or burns and spews toxins...

    As for Bill Gates' alleged statement, seems like all of the
    high-ranking people of the companies around then and now heavily into
    computers made some statement about they (computers) will never be used
    by the average consumer.
    Hindsight is so much more accurate than cautious foresight.... ;) But
    the business computers obviously needed more capability than that
    original small amount, even from early on.... :)
    True. As for the capacity of the business machines, probably the
    thinking was along the lines of mine early: was relatively easy to
    flip floppies ==> pull out one floppy, insert another. They did hold a lot of data, or at least by the considerations of that time.
    For fun a quick bit of Googling (to use activate their floppies!)
    1 TB = 754297.03126098 floppy disk (3.5", HD)
    = 2744116.61398 5.25" DD floppies
    So I'd need close to three million of my old floppies. That's a lot
    of flipping!!

    Indeed....! Makes a lot of sense why larger capacity storage was
    developed, with tape drives, zipdisks, and all... ;) And other forms of moveable hard disks.... ;)

    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new
    floating airport and land....
    Now that's a creative concept.... ;)
    Once in a while I come up with something good!
    Not sure how it would be implemented, though.... ;)
    Plus doesn't seem like it would work all that well for non-coastal
    sites.

    Just think of the mess that could happen, had there been such set up in
    the middle of the Mississippi Ruver.... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Tue Dec 17 08:39:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    There probably wasn't any way of knowing how much things would actually
    expand, just like we've discussed about the expressway systems growing
    like Topsy and needing room that just isn't there...
    Part of the now-outdated thinking is back then didn't have the
    capabilities nor the considerations. Move stuff across the country?
    By rail, of course! IIRC the interstate system was more for quick
    movements of troops and Joe Public got to travel as a side benefit.
    It wasn't just for troop movement... I think it was somewhat a vision
    for needing to move large amounts of people/goods in the event of an
    emergency, but not really thought of as a system for everyday travel
    until it was well into development....
    OK, I don't recall the 'large amounts of people/goods' but makes
    sense. Fortunately haven't seen that with war but have seen when Mother Nature gets mad.
    Also useful for when something large explodes or burns and spews
    toxins...

    True: that chemical fire in Texas (?) a few weeks ago; nothing has been mentioned in the past several years but there used to be talk of
    evacuations should Cordova Nuclear up the river from here go wack-o.


    As for Bill Gates' alleged statement, seems like all of the
    high-ranking people of the companies around then and now heavily into
    computers made some statement about they (computers) will never be used
    by the average consumer.
    Hindsight is so much more accurate than cautious foresight.... ;) But
    the business computers obviously needed more capability than that
    original small amount, even from early on.... :)
    True. As for the capacity of the business machines, probably the
    thinking was along the lines of mine early: was relatively easy to
    flip floppies ==> pull out one floppy, insert another. They did hold a lot of data, or at least by the considerations of that time.
    For fun a quick bit of Googling (to use activate their floppies!)
    1 TB = 754297.03126098 floppy disk (3.5", HD)
    = 2744116.61398 5.25" DD floppies
    So I'd need close to three million of my old floppies. That's a lot
    of flipping!!
    Indeed....! Makes a lot of sense why larger capacity storage was developed, with tape drives, zipdisks, and all... ;) And other
    forms of moveable hard disks.... ;)

    It does! Still amazes me how they pack a hard drive physical size
    (think 3.5" HDD) now with multiple TB into a case that not that long ago
    was MB.



    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new
    floating airport and land....
    Now that's a creative concept.... ;)
    Once in a while I come up with something good!
    Not sure how it would be implemented, though.... ;)
    Plus doesn't seem like it would work all that well for non-coastal
    sites.
    Just think of the mess that could happen, had there been such set
    up in the middle of the Mississippi Ruver.... <G>

    Here we stick government facilities in the middle of the River ==> the
    Rock Island Arsenal!

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue Dec 24 17:37:50 2019
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 17-Dec-2019 08:39 <=-

    IIRC the interstate system was more for quick movements of troops
    and Joe Public got to travel as a side benefit.
    It wasn't just for troop movement... I think it was somewhat a vision
    for needing to move large amounts of people/goods in the event of an
    emergency, but not really thought of as a system for everyday travel
    until it was well into development....
    OK, I don't recall the 'large amounts of people/goods' but makes
    sense. Fortunately haven't seen that with war but have seen when Mother
    Nature gets mad.
    Also useful for when something large explodes or burns and spews
    toxins...
    True: that chemical fire in Texas (?) a few weeks ago; nothing has
    been mentioned in the past several years but there used to be talk of evacuations should Cordova Nuclear up the river from here go wack-o.

    We have Ginna Nuclear plant on the lake a little ways from us... I think
    we were never quite in any evacuation area for that here in the city,
    but there were definitely plans for evacuations more in its vicinity...
    No talk recently of that either... I think that the nuclear plants have
    shown their relative safeness over the years....

    Hindsight is so much more accurate than cautious foresight.... ;)
    But the business computers obviously needed more capability than that
    original small amount, even from early on.... :)
    True. As for the capacity of the business machines, probably the
    thinking was along the lines of mine early: was relatively easy to
    flip floppies ==> pull out one floppy, insert another. They did hold a
    lot of data, or at least by the considerations of that time.
    For fun a quick bit of Googling (to use activate their floppies!)
    1 TB = 754297.03126098 floppy disk (3.5", HD)
    = 2744116.61398 5.25" DD floppies
    So I'd need close to three million of my old floppies. That's a lot
    of flipping!!
    Indeed....! Makes a lot of sense why larger capacity storage was
    developed, with tape drives, zipdisks, and all... ;) And other forms
    of moveable hard disks.... ;)
    It does! Still amazes me how they pack a hard drive physical size
    (think 3.5" HDD) now with multiple TB into a case that not that long
    ago was MB.

    And the thumbdrives that hold a full computer's worth....

    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new
    floating airport and land....
    Now that's a creative concept.... ;)
    Once in a while I come up with something good!
    Not sure how it would be implemented, though.... ;)
    Plus doesn't seem like it would work all that well for non-coastal
    sites.
    Just think of the mess that could happen, had there been such set
    up in the middle of the Mississippi River.... <G>
    Here we stick government facilities in the middle of the River ==> the Rock Island Arsenal!

    But that's on a fixed island, not a floating one... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Wed Dec 25 09:34:00 2019

    Hi Nancy!

    True: that chemical fire in Texas (?) a few weeks ago; nothing has
    been mentioned in the past several years but there used to be talk of evacuations should Cordova Nuclear up the river from here go wack-o.
    We have Ginna Nuclear plant on the lake a little ways from us...
    I think we were never quite in any evacuation area for that here
    in the city, but there were definitely plans for evacuations more
    in its vicinity... No talk recently of that either... I think
    that the nuclear plants have shown their relative safeness over
    the years....

    Agree. I don't think anything creating/using energy is 100% safe, so
    always a degree of caution needed, no matter how long it has been in
    use. And it's possible the dangerousness of the nuclear generating
    facilities got mixed in with the nasty aftereffects of the nuclear
    bombs. ...Sort of like someone thought my lunch tote was a bomb shortly
    after 9/11.


    Hindsight is so much more accurate than cautious foresight.... ;)
    But the business computers obviously needed more capability than that
    original small amount, even from early on.... :)
    True. As for the capacity of the business machines, probably the
    thinking was along the lines of mine early: was relatively easy to
    flip floppies ==> pull out one floppy, insert another. They did hold a
    lot of data, or at least by the considerations of that time.
    For fun a quick bit of Googling (to use activate their floppies!)
    1 TB = 754297.03126098 floppy disk (3.5", HD)
    = 2744116.61398 5.25" DD floppies
    So I'd need close to three million of my old floppies. That's a lot
    of flipping!!
    Indeed....! Makes a lot of sense why larger capacity storage was
    developed, with tape drives, zipdisks, and all... ;) And other forms
    of moveable hard disks.... ;)
    It does! Still amazes me how they pack a hard drive physical size
    (think 3.5" HDD) now with multiple TB into a case that not that long
    ago was MB.
    And the thumbdrives that hold a full computer's worth....

    <chuckle> Yes!! I think Ky was saying in another conference he has a
    few 300+ GB ones. I'm thinking 'overkill' but IIRC from what bits and
    pieces I remember of his job probably needs that size. For what I do
    (and that's definitely amateur level!) 16 GB thumbdrives are more than
    enough. ...Sent pictures from my Vienna 2019 Visit to my Aunt and
    Mother on 4 GB thumbdrives and have more than enough. ...Curious Kitty
    was purring: 992 items, totalling 756.9 MB. So approximately 1,000 photographs took less than a GB.



    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new
    floating airport and land....
    Now that's a creative concept.... ;)
    Once in a while I come up with something good!
    Not sure how it would be implemented, though.... ;)
    Plus doesn't seem like it would work all that well for non-coastal
    sites.
    Just think of the mess that could happen, had there been such set
    up in the middle of the Mississippi River.... <G>
    Here we stick government facilities in the middle of the River ==> the Rock Island Arsenal!
    But that's on a fixed island, not a floating one... ;)

    We'd better hope it doesn't float downstream!!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Jan 3 21:04:20 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 25-Dec-2019 09:34 <=-

    True: that chemical fire in Texas (?) a few weeks ago; nothing has
    been mentioned in the past several years but there used to be talk of
    evacuations should Cordova Nuclear up the river from here go wack-o.
    We have Ginna Nuclear plant on the lake a little ways from us... I
    think we were never quite in any evacuation area for that here in the
    city, but there were definitely plans for evacuations more in its
    vicinity... No talk recently of that either... I think that the
    nuclear plants have shown their relative safeness over the years....
    Agree. I don't think anything creating/using energy is 100% safe, so always a degree of caution needed, no matter how long it has been in
    use. And it's possible the dangerousness of the nuclear generating facilities got mixed in with the nasty aftereffects of the nuclear
    bombs. ...Sort of like someone thought my lunch tote was a bomb
    shortly after 9/11.

    Yup... It can be too easy to get things like that confused... Of
    course, when there is a meltdown at a plant, things could be a bit more dangerous than when it's working properly... :)

    Indeed....! Makes a lot of sense why larger capacity storage was
    developed, with tape drives, zipdisks, and all... ;) And other forms
    of moveable hard disks.... ;)
    It does! Still amazes me how they pack a hard drive physical size
    (think 3.5" HDD) now with multiple TB into a case that not that long
    ago was MB.
    And the thumbdrives that hold a full computer's worth....
    <chuckle> Yes!! I think Ky was saying in another conference he has a
    few 300+ GB ones. I'm thinking 'overkill' but IIRC from what bits and pieces I remember of his job probably needs that size. For what I do
    (and that's definitely amateur level!) 16 GB thumbdrives are more than enough.

    Overkill for some people, barely enough for other needs, apparently.. :)

    ...Sent pictures from my Vienna 2019 Visit to my Aunt and
    Mother on 4 GB thumbdrives and have more than enough. ...Curious
    Kitty was purring: 992 items, totalling 756.9 MB. So approximately
    1,000 photographs took less than a GB.

    They do take up significant space... but not as much as they might... :)

    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new
    floating airport and land....
    Now that's a creative concept.... ;)
    Once in a while I come up with something good!
    Not sure how it would be implemented, though.... ;)
    Plus doesn't seem like it would work all that well for non-coastal
    sites.
    Just think of the mess that could happen, had there been such set
    up in the middle of the Mississippi River.... <G>
    Here we stick government facilities in the middle of the River ==> the
    Rock Island Arsenal!
    But that's on a fixed island, not a floating one... ;)
    We'd better hope it doesn't float downstream!!

    True... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jan 4 09:07:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    True: that chemical fire in Texas (?) a few weeks ago; nothing has
    been mentioned in the past several years but there used to be talk of
    evacuations should Cordova Nuclear up the river from here go wack-o.
    We have Ginna Nuclear plant on the lake a little ways from us... I
    think we were never quite in any evacuation area for that here in the
    city, but there were definitely plans for evacuations more in its
    vicinity... No talk recently of that either... I think that the
    nuclear plants have shown their relative safeness over the years....
    Agree. I don't think anything creating/using energy is 100% safe, so always a degree of caution needed, no matter how long it has been in
    use. And it's possible the dangerousness of the nuclear generating facilities got mixed in with the nasty aftereffects of the nuclear
    bombs. ...Sort of like someone thought my lunch tote was a bomb
    shortly after 9/11.
    Yup... It can be too easy to get things like that confused...
    Of course, when there is a meltdown at a plant, things could be a
    bit more dangerous than when it's working properly... :)

    True: if can turn the valve/flip the switch to stop a problem then not
    too much concern. If out of control could be a major issue. (Well just
    might be a candidate for the week's dumbest statement!) ...If I was
    really concerned I'd have a within-arm's-reach emergency plan. I'm more concerned with a fire: smoke detectors and fire extinguishers in place.
    And the CO detector.


    Indeed....! Makes a lot of sense why larger capacity storage was
    developed, with tape drives, zipdisks, and all... ;) And other forms
    of moveable hard disks.... ;)
    It does! Still amazes me how they pack a hard drive physical size
    (think 3.5" HDD) now with multiple TB into a case that not that long
    ago was MB.
    And the thumbdrives that hold a full computer's worth....
    <chuckle> Yes!! I think Ky was saying in another conference he has a
    few 300+ GB ones. I'm thinking 'overkill' but IIRC from what bits and pieces I remember of his job probably needs that size. For what I do
    (and that's definitely amateur level!) 16 GB thumbdrives are more than enough.
    Overkill for some people, barely enough for other needs,
    apparently.. :)

    Yes, the 'all depends' thing. :) Some people (like Ky) may need to
    transport large-size files, or lots of smaller files. Others like me
    just need to move small files and larger ones may be easier and cheaper
    to redownload or move a different way (though network, etc.).


    ...Sent pictures from my Vienna 2019 Visit to my Aunt and
    Mother on 4 GB thumbdrives and have more than enough. ...Curious
    Kitty was purring: 992 items, totalling 756.9 MB. So approximately
    1,000 photographs took less than a GB.
    They do take up significant space... but not as much as they
    might... :)

    To me it seems like a thousand pictures would require more storage.
    ...No wonder I have all this free space on the hard drives! <g>


    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new
    floating airport and land....
    Now that's a creative concept.... ;)
    Once in a while I come up with something good!
    Not sure how it would be implemented, though.... ;)
    Plus doesn't seem like it would work all that well for non-coastal
    sites.
    Just think of the mess that could happen, had there been such set
    up in the middle of the Mississippi River.... <G>
    Here we stick government facilities in the middle of the River ==> the
    Rock Island Arsenal!
    But that's on a fixed island, not a floating one... ;)
    We'd better hope it doesn't float downstream!!
    True... :)

    I can just visualize that mess! Arsenal Island breaks loose, floats a
    little way down the Mississippi until it gets stuck. River is
    effectively dammed so floods a bit, which creates pressure and works the
    Island loose, so downstream another little ways....


    ... Nothing wrong with my memory, just slightly disoriented!!

    That one I should snag!!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Jan 11 02:56:38 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 04-Jan-2020 09:07 <=-

    plans for evacuations more in its vicinity... No talk recently of that
    either... I think that the nuclear plants have shown their relative
    safeness over the years....
    Agree. I don't think anything creating/using energy is 100% safe, so
    always a degree of caution needed, no matter how long it has been in
    use. And it's possible the dangerousness of the nuclear generating
    facilities got mixed in with the nasty aftereffects of the nuclear
    bombs. ...Sort of like someone thought my lunch tote was a bomb
    shortly after 9/11.
    Yup... It can be too easy to get things like that confused...
    Of course, when there is a meltdown at a plant, things could be a
    bit more dangerous than when it's working properly... :)
    True: if can turn the valve/flip the switch to stop a problem then not
    too much concern. If out of control could be a major issue.

    Very true, on both counts....

    (Well just might be a candidate for the week's dumbest statement!)

    Most obvious, perhaps... <G>

    ...If I was really concerned I'd have a within-arm's-reach emergency
    plan. I'm more concerned with a fire: smoke detectors and fire extinguishers in place. And the CO detector.

    Right... be prepared for the sorts of emergencies likely to possibly
    happen to you... :)

    And the thumbdrives that hold a full computer's worth....
    <chuckle> Yes!! I think Ky was saying in another conference he has a
    few 300+ GB ones. I'm thinking 'overkill' but IIRC from what bits and
    pieces I remember of his job probably needs that size. For what I do
    (and that's definitely amateur level!) 16 GB thumbdrives are more than
    enough.
    Overkill for some people, barely enough for other needs, apparently.. :)
    Yes, the 'all depends' thing. :) Some people (like Ky) may need to transport large-size files, or lots of smaller files. Others like me
    just need to move small files and larger ones may be easier and
    cheaper to redownload or move a different way (though network, etc.).

    Exactly... :)

    ...Sent pictures from my Vienna 2019 Visit to my Aunt and
    Mother on 4 GB thumbdrives and have more than enough. ...Curious
    Kitty was purring: 992 items, totalling 756.9 MB. So approximately
    1,000 photographs took less than a GB.
    They do take up significant space... but not as much as they
    might... :)
    To me it seems like a thousand pictures would require more storage.
    ...No wonder I have all this free space on the hard drives! <g>

    Just don't feel you have to do something to fill it all up... you know
    quite well that it will happen on its own without your help... <G>

    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new
    floating airport and land....
    Now that's a creative concept.... ;)
    Once in a while I come up with something good!
    Not sure how it would be implemented, though.... ;)
    Plus doesn't seem like it would work all that well for non-coastal
    sites.
    Just think of the mess that could happen, had there been such set
    up in the middle of the Mississippi River.... <G>
    Here we stick government facilities in the middle of the River ==> the
    Rock Island Arsenal!
    But that's on a fixed island, not a floating one... ;)
    We'd better hope it doesn't float downstream!!
    True... :)
    I can just visualize that mess! Arsenal Island breaks loose, floats a little way down the Mississippi until it gets stuck. River is
    effectively dammed so floods a bit, which creates pressure and works
    the Island loose, so downstream another little ways....

    Yup... that would indeed be messy.... <G>

    ... Nothing wrong with my memory, just slightly disoriented!!
    That one I should snag!!

    And did you....? (left it in in case you needed a second chance at
    it... :) )

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jan 11 08:59:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    plans for evacuations more in its vicinity... No talk recently of that
    either... I think that the nuclear plants have shown their relative
    safeness over the years....
    Agree. I don't think anything creating/using energy is 100% safe, so
    always a degree of caution needed, no matter how long it has been in
    use. And it's possible the dangerousness of the nuclear generating
    facilities got mixed in with the nasty aftereffects of the nuclear
    bombs. ...Sort of like someone thought my lunch tote was a bomb
    shortly after 9/11.
    Yup... It can be too easy to get things like that confused...
    Of course, when there is a meltdown at a plant, things could be a
    bit more dangerous than when it's working properly... :)
    True: if can turn the valve/flip the switch to stop a problem then not
    too much concern. If out of control could be a major issue.
    Very true, on both counts....
    (Well just might be a candidate for the week's dumbest statement!)
    Most obvious, perhaps... <G>

    Though sometimes the simplest are overlooked!


    ...If I was really concerned I'd have a within-arm's-reach emergency
    plan. I'm more concerned with a fire: smoke detectors and fire extinguishers in place. And the CO detector.
    Right... be prepared for the sorts of emergencies likely to
    possibly happen to you... :)

    Plus if I didn't think it safe here I'd move. ...Probably end up
    trading one problem for another!


    And the thumbdrives that hold a full computer's worth....
    <chuckle> Yes!! I think Ky was saying in another conference he has a
    few 300+ GB ones. I'm thinking 'overkill' but IIRC from what bits and
    pieces I remember of his job probably needs that size. For what I do
    (and that's definitely amateur level!) 16 GB thumbdrives are more than
    enough.
    Overkill for some people, barely enough for other needs, apparently.. :)
    Yes, the 'all depends' thing. :) Some people (like Ky) may need to transport large-size files, or lots of smaller files. Others like me
    just need to move small files and larger ones may be easier and
    cheaper to redownload or move a different way (though network, etc.).
    Exactly... :)

    It generally all makes sense one one looks at things from the other
    person's perspecive. :)


    ...Sent pictures from my Vienna 2019 Visit to my Aunt and
    Mother on 4 GB thumbdrives and have more than enough. ...Curious
    Kitty was purring: 992 items, totalling 756.9 MB. So approximately
    1,000 photographs took less than a GB.
    They do take up significant space... but not as much as they
    might... :)
    To me it seems like a thousand pictures would require more storage.
    ...No wonder I have all this free space on the hard drives! <g>
    Just don't feel you have to do something to fill it all up... you
    know quite well that it will happen on its own without your
    help... <G>

    Oh yes! <g> When I started with computers pictures were done on film
    and any on the computer were somehow done with the keyboard characters;
    now film has generally been replaced by electronics.

    As for the thumbdrives of pictures for my Mother and Aunt, I did find it
    took around a minute for the digital picture frame to load -- something
    I could sort of put up with knowing what was occurring in the background
    but the two who got sometimes confused by a remote control were too-
    tempted to hit a button to get something going. Dividing pictures to
    multiple thumbdrives helped speed up the loading time, plus a little
    less fiddling with getting to a section/event. (I put the day trip to
    our visit with relatives in Slokakia on its own thumbdrive.)



    Anchor a carrier in the Atlantic, run some ferries between the new
    floating airport and land....
    Now that's a creative concept.... ;)
    Once in a while I come up with something good!
    Not sure how it would be implemented, though.... ;)
    Plus doesn't seem like it would work all that well for non-coastal
    sites.
    Just think of the mess that could happen, had there been such set
    up in the middle of the Mississippi River.... <G>
    Here we stick government facilities in the middle of the River ==> the
    Rock Island Arsenal!
    But that's on a fixed island, not a floating one... ;)
    We'd better hope it doesn't float downstream!!
    True... :)
    I can just visualize that mess! Arsenal Island breaks loose, floats a little way down the Mississippi until it gets stuck. River is
    effectively dammed so floods a bit, which creates pressure and works
    the Island loose, so downstream another little ways....
    Yup... that would indeed be messy.... <G>

    "So where am I being relocated?"
    "<Jumble of letters> on Arsenal Island between Iowa and Illinois. ...<checking> No, between Illinois and Missouri ... No, now
    between......"


    ... Nothing wrong with my memory, just slightly disoriented!!
    That one I should snag!!
    And did you....? (left it in in case you needed a second chance
    at it... :) )

    Gee, think I should?! <snag!>


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Jan 17 20:20:04 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 11-Jan-2020 08:59 <=-

    I don't think anything creating/using energy is 100% safe, so
    always a degree of caution needed, no matter how long it has been in
    use. And it's possible the dangerousness of the nuclear generating
    facilities got mixed in with the nasty aftereffects of the nuclear
    bombs. ...Sort of like someone thought my lunch tote was a bomb
    shortly after 9/11.
    Yup... It can be too easy to get things like that confused...
    Of course, when there is a meltdown at a plant, things could be a
    bit more dangerous than when it's working properly... :)
    True: if can turn the valve/flip the switch to stop a problem then not
    too much concern. If out of control could be a major issue.
    Very true, on both counts....
    (Well just might be a candidate for the week's dumbest statement!)
    Most obvious, perhaps... <G>
    Though sometimes the simplest are overlooked!

    True. :)

    ...If I was really concerned I'd have a within-arm's-reach emergency
    plan. I'm more concerned with a fire: smoke detectors and fire
    extinguishers in place. And the CO detector.
    Right... be prepared for the sorts of emergencies likely to
    possibly happen to you... :)
    Plus if I didn't think it safe here I'd move. ...Probably end up
    trading one problem for another!

    Indeed.

    ...Sent pictures from my Vienna 2019 Visit to my Aunt and
    Mother on 4 GB thumbdrives and have more than enough. ...Curious
    Kitty was purring: 992 items, totalling 756.9 MB. So approximately
    1,000 photographs took less than a GB.
    They do take up significant space... but not as much as they
    might... :)
    To me it seems like a thousand pictures would require more storage.
    ...No wonder I have all this free space on the hard drives! <g>
    Just don't feel you have to do something to fill it all up... you
    know quite well that it will happen on its own without your help... <G>
    Oh yes! <g> When I started with computers pictures were done on film
    and any on the computer were somehow done with the keyboard
    characters; now film has generally been replaced by electronics.

    Yup... :)

    As for the thumbdrives of pictures for my Mother and Aunt, I did find
    it took around a minute for the digital picture frame to load --
    something I could sort of put up with knowing what was occurring in the
    background but the two who got sometimes confused by a remote control
    were too tempted to hit a button to get something going. Dividing
    pictures to multiple thumbdrives helped speed up the loading time, plus
    a little less fiddling with getting to a section/event. (I put the day
    trip to our visit with relatives in Slovakia on its own thumbdrive.)

    One does have to consider the audience... :) As long as they could
    handle switching thumbdrives for the next set of pictures, breaking it
    down makes a lot of sense for them... :)

    Just think of the mess that could happen, had there been such set
    up in the middle of the Mississippi River.... <G>
    Here we stick government facilities in the middle of the River ==> the
    Rock Island Arsenal!
    But that's on a fixed island, not a floating one... ;)
    We'd better hope it doesn't float downstream!!
    True... :)
    I can just visualize that mess! Arsenal Island breaks loose, floats a
    little way down the Mississippi until it gets stuck. River is
    effectively dammed so floods a bit, which creates pressure and works
    the Island loose, so downstream another little ways....
    Yup... that would indeed be messy.... <G>
    "So where am I being relocated?"
    "<Jumble of letters> on Arsenal Island between Iowa and Illinois. ...<checking> No, between Illinois and Missouri ... No, now between......"

    And drifting.. except for when it snags.... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jan 18 08:13:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    <snippage of portions which look to have ended. At least for now.>

    As for the thumbdrives of pictures for my Mother and Aunt, I did find
    it took around a minute for the digital picture frame to load --
    something I could sort of put up with knowing what was occurring in the
    background but the two who got sometimes confused by a remote control
    were too tempted to hit a button to get something going. Dividing
    pictures to multiple thumbdrives helped speed up the loading time, plus
    a little less fiddling with getting to a section/event. (I put the day
    trip to our visit with relatives in Slovakia on its own thumbdrive.)
    One does have to consider the audience... :) As long as they
    could handle switching thumbdrives for the next set of pictures,
    breaking it down makes a lot of sense for them... :)

    Well when I sent the digital photo frame and thumbdrive last year my
    Mother did her appreciative of the thought but we (my Aunt and Mother)
    barely know how to operate a remote control, blah-blah-blah, excuse- excuse-excuse for not using it. Me: "Did you read the letter?" My
    Mother answered either "what letter" or "haven't had time yet". Either
    way was a 'no'. My letter gave detailed instructions with pictures,
    plus had Google-translated for my Aunt so they could talk back-and-forth
    about it. Plus both have people who'd be able to help just by looking
    at the things - no instructions needed.


    Just think of the mess that could happen, had there been such set
    up in the middle of the Mississippi River.... <G>
    Here we stick government facilities in the middle of the River ==> the
    Rock Island Arsenal!
    But that's on a fixed island, not a floating one... ;)
    We'd better hope it doesn't float downstream!!
    True... :)
    I can just visualize that mess! Arsenal Island breaks loose, floats a
    little way down the Mississippi until it gets stuck. River is
    effectively dammed so floods a bit, which creates pressure and works
    the Island loose, so downstream another little ways....
    Yup... that would indeed be messy.... <G>
    "So where am I being relocated?"
    "<Jumble of letters> on Arsenal Island between Iowa and Illinois. ...<checking> No, between Illinois and Missouri ... No, now between......"
    And drifting.. except for when it snags.... <G>

    That would be something to see!!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Jan 24 01:20:16 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 18-Jan-2020 08:13 <=-

    <snippage of portions which look to have ended. At least for now.>

    Until they come up again, I guess... ;)

    As for the thumbdrives of pictures for my Mother and Aunt, I did find
    it took around a minute for the digital picture frame to load --
    something I could sort of put up with knowing what was occurring in the
    background but the two who got sometimes confused by a remote control
    were too tempted to hit a button to get something going. Dividing
    pictures to multiple thumbdrives helped speed up the loading time, plus
    a little less fiddling with getting to a section/event. (I put the day
    trip to our visit with relatives in Slovakia on its own thumbdrive.)
    One does have to consider the audience... :) As long as they
    could handle switching thumbdrives for the next set of pictures,
    breaking it down makes a lot of sense for them... :)
    Well when I sent the digital photo frame and thumbdrive last year my Mother did her appreciative of the thought but we (my Aunt and Mother) barely know how to operate a remote control, blah-blah-blah, excuse- excuse-excuse for not using it. Me: "Did you read the letter?" My Mother answered either "what letter" or "haven't had time yet".
    Either way was a 'no'. My letter gave detailed instructions with pictures, plus had Google-translated for my Aunt so they could talk back-and-forth about it. Plus both have people who'd be able to help
    just by looking at the things - no instructions needed.

    You did what you could.... If they want to see the pictures, they can
    figure it out or get someone to help them do so... possibly even you,
    next visit... ;)

    Here we stick government facilities in the middle of the River
    the Rock Island Arsenal!
    But that's on a fixed island, not a floating one... ;)
    We'd better hope it doesn't float downstream!!
    True... :)
    I can just visualize that mess! Arsenal Island breaks loose, floats a
    little way down the Mississippi until it gets stuck. River is
    effectively dammed so floods a bit, which creates pressure and works
    the Island loose, so downstream another little ways....
    Yup... that would indeed be messy.... <G>
    "So where am I being relocated?"
    "<Jumble of letters> on Arsenal Island between Iowa and Illinois.
    ...<checking> No, between Illinois and Missouri ... No, now
    between......"
    And drifting.. except for when it snags.... <G>
    That would be something to see!!

    Yup. :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jan 24 11:40:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    <snippage of portions which look to have ended. At least for now.>
    Until they come up again, I guess... ;)

    When they wil be the same but new and updated!



    As for the thumbdrives of pictures for my Mother and Aunt, I did find
    it took around a minute for the digital picture frame to load --
    something I could sort of put up with knowing what was occurring in the
    background but the two who got sometimes confused by a remote control
    were too tempted to hit a button to get something going. Dividing
    pictures to multiple thumbdrives helped speed up the loading time, plus
    a little less fiddling with getting to a section/event. (I put the day
    trip to our visit with relatives in Slovakia on its own thumbdrive.)
    One does have to consider the audience... :) As long as they
    could handle switching thumbdrives for the next set of pictures,
    breaking it down makes a lot of sense for them... :)
    Well when I sent the digital photo frame and thumbdrive last year my Mother did her appreciative of the thought but we (my Aunt and Mother) barely know how to operate a remote control, blah-blah-blah, excuse- excuse-excuse for not using it. Me: "Did you read the letter?" My Mother answered either "what letter" or "haven't had time yet".
    Either way was a 'no'. My letter gave detailed instructions with pictures, plus had Google-translated for my Aunt so they could talk back-and-forth about it. Plus both have people who'd be able to help
    just by looking at the things - no instructions needed.
    You did what you could.... If they want to see the pictures, they
    can figure it out or get someone to help them do so... possibly
    even you, next visit... ;)

    <chuckle> That was pretty much my attitude. The "carrot on a stick"
    was view the pictures. Both my Mother and my Aunt have zero computer
    knowledge and seem to think they can't learn. OK, so I need to do
    something different; I selected a piece of hardware -- the digital
    picture frame -- which seemed to be ultra simple, and it doesn't look
    like it has anything to do with a computer. Wrote instructions that my
    Mother and Aunt should be able to understand. Both have people who can
    help.



    <Stuff about Arsenal Island floating down the Mississippi River snipped>


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Jan 31 02:54:18 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 24-Jan-2020 11:40 <=-

    <snippage of portions which look to have ended. At least for now.>
    Until they come up again, I guess... ;)
    When they will be the same but new and updated!

    Yup... <G>

    As for the thumbdrives of pictures for my Mother and Aunt, I did find
    it took around a minute for the digital picture frame to load --
    something I could sort of put up with knowing what was occurring in the
    background but the two who got sometimes confused by a remote control
    were too tempted to hit a button to get something going. Dividing
    pictures to multiple thumbdrives helped speed up the loading time, plus
    a little less fiddling with getting to a section/event. (I put the day
    trip to our visit with relatives in Slovakia on its own thumbdrive.)
    One does have to consider the audience... :) As long as they
    could handle switching thumbdrives for the next set of pictures,
    breaking it down makes a lot of sense for them... :)
    Well when I sent the digital photo frame and thumbdrive last year my
    Mother did her appreciative of the thought but we (my Aunt and Mother)
    barely know how to operate a remote control, blah-blah-blah, excuse-
    excuse-excuse for not using it. Me: "Did you read the letter?" My
    Mother answered either "what letter" or "haven't had time yet".
    Either way was a 'no'. My letter gave detailed instructions with
    pictures, plus had Google-translated for my Aunt so they could talk
    back-and-forth about it. Plus both have people who'd be able to help
    just by looking at the things - no instructions needed.
    You did what you could.... If they want to see the pictures, they can
    figure it out or get someone to help them do so... possibly even you,
    next visit... ;)
    <chuckle> That was pretty much my attitude. The "carrot on a stick"
    was view the pictures. Both my Mother and my Aunt have zero computer knowledge and seem to think they can't learn. OK, so I need to do something different; I selected a piece of hardware -- the digital
    picture frame -- which seemed to be ultra simple, and it doesn't look
    like it has anything to do with a computer. Wrote instructions that
    my Mother and Aunt should be able to understand. Both have people who
    can help.

    And you might be the one to finally actually walk them through the
    process at some point.... I suppose what they probably would have
    preferred was your sending them a package of all the pictures printed
    out so that they could put them into scrapbooks... or better yet, the
    completed scrapbooks.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jan 31 08:23:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    As for the thumbdrives of pictures for my Mother and Aunt, I did find
    it took around a minute for the digital picture frame to load --
    something I could sort of put up with knowing what was occurring in the
    background but the two who got sometimes confused by a remote control
    were too tempted to hit a button to get something going. Dividing
    pictures to multiple thumbdrives helped speed up the loading time, plus
    a little less fiddling with getting to a section/event. (I put the day
    trip to our visit with relatives in Slovakia on its own thumbdrive.)
    One does have to consider the audience... :) As long as they
    could handle switching thumbdrives for the next set of pictures,
    breaking it down makes a lot of sense for them... :)
    Well when I sent the digital photo frame and thumbdrive last year my
    Mother did her appreciative of the thought but we (my Aunt and Mother)
    barely know how to operate a remote control, blah-blah-blah, excuse-
    excuse-excuse for not using it. Me: "Did you read the letter?" My
    Mother answered either "what letter" or "haven't had time yet".
    Either way was a 'no'. My letter gave detailed instructions with
    pictures, plus had Google-translated for my Aunt so they could talk
    back-and-forth about it. Plus both have people who'd be able to help
    just by looking at the things - no instructions needed.
    You did what you could.... If they want to see the pictures, they can
    figure it out or get someone to help them do so... possibly even you,
    next visit... ;)
    <chuckle> That was pretty much my attitude. The "carrot on a stick"
    was view the pictures. Both my Mother and my Aunt have zero computer knowledge and seem to think they can't learn. OK, so I need to do something different; I selected a piece of hardware -- the digital
    picture frame -- which seemed to be ultra simple, and it doesn't look
    like it has anything to do with a computer. Wrote instructions that
    my Mother and Aunt should be able to understand. Both have people who
    can help.
    And you might be the one to finally actually walk them through
    the process at some point.... I suppose what they probably would
    have preferred was your sending them a package of all the
    pictures printed out so that they could put them into
    scrapbooks... or better yet, the completed scrapbooks.... :)

    They would have preferred, I might have complied if not for the shipping
    cost, especially overseas. Plus it seems a box undergoes inspection by Austria Post and possibly subject to the 'I will accept the package' documentation like what happened with the digital picture frame I sent
    my Aunt (she says she signed the paperwork but ended up being returned
    and I brought over in my luggage last summer).


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Feb 6 02:31:54 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 31-Jan-2020 08:23 <=-

    <chuckle> That was pretty much my attitude. The "carrot on a stick"
    was view the pictures. Both my Mother and my Aunt have zero computer
    knowledge and seem to think they can't learn. OK, so I need to do
    something different; I selected a piece of hardware -- the digital
    picture frame -- which seemed to be ultra simple, and it doesn't look
    like it has anything to do with a computer. Wrote instructions that
    my Mother and Aunt should be able to understand. Both have people who
    can help.
    And you might be the one to finally actually walk them through the
    process at some point.... I suppose what they probably would have
    preferred was your sending them a package of all the pictures printed
    out so that they could put them into scrapbooks... or better yet,
    the completed scrapbooks.... :)
    They would have preferred, I might have complied if not for the
    shipping cost, especially overseas. Plus it seems a box undergoes inspection by Austria Post and possibly subject to the 'I will accept
    the package' documentation like what happened with the digital picture frame I sent my Aunt (she says she signed the paperwork but ended up
    being returned and I brought over in my luggage last summer).

    Yes, I remember that fiasco... Probably would have had to carry over the scrapbook for your aunt.... although you'd be ok for shipping one to
    your mother, USPS being a little less bureaucratic, perhaps... ;)

    Ah, well... You'll just have to give them personal demonstrations/hands
    on lectures when you visit them, I guess.... with a little exposure to
    actually using the picture frames, they might decide it's not quite so
    arcane after all... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Thu Feb 6 08:19:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    <chuckle> That was pretty much my attitude. The "carrot on a stick"
    was view the pictures. Both my Mother and my Aunt have zero computer
    knowledge and seem to think they can't learn. OK, so I need to do
    something different; I selected a piece of hardware -- the digital
    picture frame -- which seemed to be ultra simple, and it doesn't look
    like it has anything to do with a computer. Wrote instructions that
    my Mother and Aunt should be able to understand. Both have people who
    can help.
    And you might be the one to finally actually walk them through the
    process at some point.... I suppose what they probably would have
    preferred was your sending them a package of all the pictures printed
    out so that they could put them into scrapbooks... or better yet,
    the completed scrapbooks.... :)
    They would have preferred, I might have complied if not for the
    shipping cost, especially overseas. Plus it seems a box undergoes inspection by Austria Post and possibly subject to the 'I will accept
    the package' documentation like what happened with the digital picture frame I sent my Aunt (she says she signed the paperwork but ended up
    being returned and I brought over in my luggage last summer).
    Yes, I remember that fiasco... Probably would have had to carry
    over the scrapbook for your aunt.... although you'd be ok for
    shipping one to your mother, USPS being a little less
    bureaucratic, perhaps... ;)

    Yes, seems I can ship just about anything to NH. "You said a case of
    loose bullets, sir? I'll just put this 'Rattle OK' sticker on the box."



    Ah, well... You'll just have to give them personal
    demonstrations/hands on lectures when you visit them, I guess....
    with a little exposure to actually using the picture frames, they
    might decide it's not quite so arcane after all... :)

    Possibly! Last summer my Mother did have the frame out and she has seen
    the vacation pictures but had not seen a different presentation on a
    second thumbdrive (pictures and short videos my Mother would have been interested in but not my Aunt). We never did get around to seeing them:
    my Mother too tired or too busy or not enough time or....

    As for my Aunt, I don't know if my Mother showed my Aunt or what. My
    Mother was staying with my Aunt in her apartment (I was in the hotel a
    couple blocks away). Early in the vacation I was going to show and it
    was a 'later'; admittedly after a while I forgot about it.



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Tue Feb 11 02:22:52 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 06-Feb-2020 08:19 <=-

    what they probably would have preferred was your sending them a
    package of all the pictures printed out so that they could put them
    into scrapbooks... or better yet, the completed scrapbooks.... :)
    They would have preferred, I might have complied if not for the
    shipping cost, especially overseas. Plus it seems a box undergoes
    inspection by Austria Post and possibly subject to the 'I will accept
    the package' documentation like what happened with the digital picture
    frame I sent my Aunt (she says she signed the paperwork but ended up
    being returned and I brought over in my luggage last summer).
    Yes, I remember that fiasco... Probably would have had to carry over
    the scrapbook for your aunt.... although you'd be ok for shipping one
    to your mother, USPS being a little less bureaucratic, perhaps... ;)
    Yes, seems I can ship just about anything to NH. "You said a case of loose bullets, sir? I'll just put this 'Rattle OK' sticker on the box."

    Maybe that's just a bit farther than they'd actually go... ;)

    Ah, well... You'll just have to give them personal demonstrations/
    hands on lectures when you visit them, I guess.... with a little
    exposure to actually using the picture frames, they might decide it's
    not quite so arcane after all... :)
    Possibly! Last summer my Mother did have the frame out and she has
    seen the vacation pictures but had not seen a different presentation on
    a second thumbdrive (pictures and short videos my Mother would have
    been interested in but not my Aunt). We never did get around to seeing them: my Mother too tired or too busy or not enough time or....

    Another visit, perhaps...

    As for my Aunt, I don't know if my Mother showed my Aunt or what. My Mother was staying with my Aunt in her apartment (I was in the hotel a couple blocks away). Early in the vacation I was going to show and it
    was a 'later'; admittedly after a while I forgot about it.

    Again... maybe another visit.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Tue Feb 11 08:39:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    what they probably would have preferred was your sending them a
    package of all the pictures printed out so that they could put them
    into scrapbooks... or better yet, the completed scrapbooks.... :)
    They would have preferred, I might have complied if not for the
    shipping cost, especially overseas. Plus it seems a box undergoes
    inspection by Austria Post and possibly subject to the 'I will accept
    the package' documentation like what happened with the digital picture
    frame I sent my Aunt (she says she signed the paperwork but ended up
    being returned and I brought over in my luggage last summer).
    Yes, I remember that fiasco... Probably would have had to carry over
    the scrapbook for your aunt.... although you'd be ok for shipping one
    to your mother, USPS being a little less bureaucratic, perhaps... ;)
    Yes, seems I can ship just about anything to NH. "You said a case of loose bullets, sir? I'll just put this 'Rattle OK' sticker on the box."
    Maybe that's just a bit farther than they'd actually go... ;)

    Hmmm: well, now that you mention it.....


    Ah, well... You'll just have to give them personal demonstrations/
    hands on lectures when you visit them, I guess.... with a little
    exposure to actually using the picture frames, they might decide it's
    not quite so arcane after all... :)
    Possibly! Last summer my Mother did have the frame out and she has
    seen the vacation pictures but had not seen a different presentation on
    a second thumbdrive (pictures and short videos my Mother would have
    been interested in but not my Aunt). We never did get around to seeing them: my Mother too tired or too busy or not enough time or....
    Another visit, perhaps...

    Another one is coming up; right now don't know when as a lot of 'time variables'.


    As for my Aunt, I don't know if my Mother showed my Aunt or what. My Mother was staying with my Aunt in her apartment (I was in the hotel a couple blocks away). Early in the vacation I was going to show and it
    was a 'later'; admittedly after a while I forgot about it.
    Again... maybe another visit.... ;)

    Works for me!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon Feb 17 02:51:42 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 11-Feb-2020 08:39 <=-

    Yes, I remember that fiasco... Probably would have had to carry over
    the scrapbook for your aunt.... although you'd be ok for shipping one
    to your mother, USPS being a little less bureaucratic, perhaps... ;)
    Yes, seems I can ship just about anything to NH. "You said a case of
    loose bullets, sir? I'll just put this 'Rattle OK' sticker on the box."
    Maybe that's just a bit farther than they'd actually go... ;)
    Hmmm: well, now that you mention it.....

    Pretty sure live ammo is one of the things on the poster of things not permitted... :)

    Ah, well... You'll just have to give them personal demonstrations/
    hands on lectures when you visit them, I guess.... with a little
    exposure to actually using the picture frames, they might decide it's
    not quite so arcane after all... :)
    Possibly! Last summer my Mother did have the frame out and she has
    seen the vacation pictures but had not seen a different presentation on
    a second thumbdrive (pictures and short videos my Mother would have
    been interested in but not my Aunt). We never did get around to seeing
    them: my Mother too tired or too busy or not enough time or....
    Another visit, perhaps...
    Another one is coming up; right now don't know when as a lot of 'time variables'.

    By Easter, maybe...?

    As for my Aunt, I don't know if my Mother showed my Aunt or what. My
    Mother was staying with my Aunt in her apartment (I was in the hotel a
    couple blocks away). Early in the vacation I was going to show and it
    was a 'later'; admittedly after a while I forgot about it.
    Again... maybe another visit.... ;)
    Works for me!

    Just have to keep it in mind to put on the trip agenda... ;)

    ... He's so old his photo ID is a black and white tin-type.

    That sounds just a little implausible... but indeed ancient... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Mon Feb 17 08:37:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Was reminded by the subject: they are predicting flooding again this
    year but not as high a level. The chit-chat between the local news
    anchors and meteorologist included a comment about stacking the HESCO
    Barriers double thickness.


    Yes, I remember that fiasco... Probably would have had to carry over
    the scrapbook for your aunt.... although you'd be ok for shipping one
    to your mother, USPS being a little less bureaucratic, perhaps... ;)
    Yes, seems I can ship just about anything to NH. "You said a case of
    loose bullets, sir? I'll just put this 'Rattle OK' sticker on the box."
    Maybe that's just a bit farther than they'd actually go... ;)
    Hmmm: well, now that you mention it.....
    Pretty sure live ammo is one of the things on the poster of
    things not permitted... :)

    Probably.


    Ah, well... You'll just have to give them personal demonstrations/
    hands on lectures when you visit them, I guess.... with a little
    exposure to actually using the picture frames, they might decide it's
    not quite so arcane after all... :)
    Possibly! Last summer my Mother did have the frame out and she has
    seen the vacation pictures but had not seen a different presentation on
    a second thumbdrive (pictures and short videos my Mother would have
    been interested in but not my Aunt). We never did get around to seeing
    them: my Mother too tired or too busy or not enough time or....
    Another visit, perhaps...
    Another one is coming up; right now don't know when as a lot of 'time variables'.
    By Easter, maybe...?

    At this point looks like mid-June.


    As for my Aunt, I don't know if my Mother showed my Aunt or what. My
    Mother was staying with my Aunt in her apartment (I was in the hotel a
    couple blocks away). Early in the vacation I was going to show and it
    was a 'later'; admittedly after a while I forgot about it.
    Again... maybe another visit.... ;)
    Works for me!
    Just have to keep it in mind to put on the trip agenda... ;)

    Yup....


    ... He's so old his photo ID is a black and white tin-type.
    That sounds just a little implausible... but indeed ancient... <G>

    Well, since they do require renewals every few years, maybe a Polaroid!


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Wed Feb 19 01:07:00 2020
    Barry,

    Was reminded by the subject: they are predicting flooding again this
    year but not as high a level. The chit-chat between the local news BM>anchors and meteorologist included a comment about stacking the HESCO BM>Barriers double thickness.

    They've got major flooding around Jackson, Mississippi...but at
    present, the river is still 7 feet below the record flood stage.

    Well, since they do require renewals every few years, maybe a Polaroid!

    I thought that was what Eskimos got from sitting on ice too long. <G>

    Daryl


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Thu Feb 20 07:19:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    Was reminded by the subject: they are predicting flooding again this
    year but not as high a level. The chit-chat between the local news
    anchors and meteorologist included a comment about stacking the HESCO
    Barriers double thickness.
    They've got major flooding around Jackson, Mississippi...but at
    present, the river is still 7 feet below the record flood stage.

    It amazes me how much water there can be! And the water isn't just
    higher than the normal river path but spread out over land and still
    greatly elevated. That's a LOT of water!!



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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Sat Feb 22 17:32:00 2020
    Barry,

    It amazes me how much water there can be! And the water isn't just BM>higher than the normal river path but spread out over land and still BM>greatly elevated. That's a LOT of water!!

    And, each thunderstorm contains at least 500,000 tons of water.

    Daryl


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon Feb 24 03:11:36 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 17-Feb-2020 08:37 <=-

    Was reminded by the subject: they are predicting flooding again this
    year but not as high a level. The chit-chat between the local news anchors and meteorologist included a comment about stacking the HESCO Barriers double thickness.

    Maybe this year they'll be better prepared to deal with things...

    Ah, well... You'll just have to give them personal demonstrations/
    hands on lectures when you visit them, I guess.... with a little
    exposure to actually using the picture frames, they might decide it's
    not quite so arcane after all... :)
    Possibly! Last summer my Mother did have the frame out and she has
    seen the vacation pictures but had not seen a different presentation on
    a second thumbdrive (pictures and short videos my Mother would have
    been interested in but not my Aunt). We never did get around to seeing
    them: my Mother too tired or too busy or not enough time or....
    Another visit, perhaps...
    Another one is coming up; right now don't know when as a lot of 'time
    variables'.
    By Easter, maybe...?
    At this point looks like mid-June.

    That would be visiting your Aunt, not just your Mother....?

    As for my Aunt, I don't know if my Mother showed my Aunt or what. My
    Mother was staying with my Aunt in her apartment (I was in the hotel a
    couple blocks away). Early in the vacation I was going to show and it
    was a 'later'; admittedly after a while I forgot about it.
    Again... maybe another visit.... ;)
    Works for me!
    Just have to keep it in mind to put on the trip agenda... ;)
    Yup....

    Write yourself a note, and then put it somewhere where you'll trip over
    it when you start getting ready for the next trip there... ;)

    ... He's so old his photo ID is a black and white tin-type.
    That sounds just a little implausible... but indeed ancient... <G>
    Well, since they do require renewals every few years, maybe a
    Polaroid!

    Nowadays, they take them with computer cameras.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Sun Feb 23 08:37:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    It amazes me how much water there can be! And the water isn't just
    higher than the normal river path but spread out over land and still
    greatly elevated. That's a LOT of water!!
    And, each thunderstorm contains at least 500,000 tons of water.

    That must have one huge scale!


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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Mon Feb 24 07:48:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Was reminded by the subject: they are predicting flooding again this
    year but not as high a level. The chit-chat between the local news anchors and meteorologist included a comment about stacking the HESCO Barriers double thickness.
    Maybe this year they'll be better prepared to deal with things...

    Hopefully! I do recall having a half-thought some time back of why the barriers didn't have a better seal at the junctions (between and under
    the individual units): can't possibly line 'em up that accurately. Some sections did have plastic sheets (probably Visqueen or equivalent), but
    even then if gets punctured by debris shooting down the River.....

    BTW, now they're talking of 6" of snow -- I was only half-paying
    attention and so not sure if that 6" over Tuesday and Wednesday or some
    snow on Tuesday and 6" more on Wednesday. (Guess will find out!)


    Ah, well... You'll just have to give them personal demonstrations/
    hands on lectures when you visit them, I guess.... with a little
    exposure to actually using the picture frames, they might decide it's
    not quite so arcane after all... :)
    Possibly! Last summer my Mother did have the frame out and she has
    seen the vacation pictures but had not seen a different presentation on
    a second thumbdrive (pictures and short videos my Mother would have
    been interested in but not my Aunt). We never did get around to seeing
    them: my Mother too tired or too busy or not enough time or....
    Another visit, perhaps...
    Another one is coming up; right now don't know when as a lot of 'time
    variables'.
    By Easter, maybe...?
    At this point looks like mid-June.
    That would be visiting your Aunt, not just your Mother....?

    Correct.


    As for my Aunt, I don't know if my Mother showed my Aunt or what. My
    Mother was staying with my Aunt in her apartment (I was in the hotel a
    couple blocks away). Early in the vacation I was going to show and it
    was a 'later'; admittedly after a while I forgot about it.
    Again... maybe another visit.... ;)
    Works for me!
    Just have to keep it in mind to put on the trip agenda... ;)
    Yup....
    Write yourself a note, and then put it somewhere where you'll
    trip over it when you start getting ready for the next trip
    there... ;)

    Need to remind myself to remember to read the reminder note about
    remembering!


    ... He's so old his photo ID is a black and white tin-type.
    That sounds just a little implausible... but indeed ancient... <G>
    Well, since they do require renewals every few years, maybe a
    Polaroid!
    Nowadays, they take them with computer cameras.... ;)

    Yes. My Mother's camera is still 35mm film - apparently she's not the
    only one as can purchase and develop at two or three stores convenient
    to her. She has said usually only a few boxes of film available and she
    does look at the dates to be certain not expired and will last a while
    in her camera.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat Feb 29 23:08:40 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 24-Feb-2020 07:48 <=-

    Was reminded by the subject: they are predicting flooding again this
    year but not as high a level. The chit-chat between the local news
    anchors and meteorologist included a comment about stacking the HESCO
    Barriers double thickness.
    Maybe this year they'll be better prepared to deal with things...
    Hopefully! I do recall having a half-thought some time back of why
    the barriers didn't have a better seal at the junctions (between and
    under the individual units): can't possibly line 'em up that
    accurately. Some sections did have plastic sheets (probably Visqueen
    or equivalent), but even then if gets punctured by debris shooting down the River.....

    Let's just hope that they've used this time wisely to refine the
    materials and figure out solutions to the problems last year.... :)

    BTW, now they're talking of 6" of snow -- I was only half-paying
    attention and so not sure if that 6" over Tuesday and Wednesday or
    some snow on Tuesday and 6" more on Wednesday. (Guess will find out!)

    Places near us got that 6"+ 6", but we only got maybe 3 or 4" all
    told... and currently have been getting just more dribs and drabs...
    last night less than an inch, nothing much today... Other places around
    us got hit a lot harder... :)

    Ah, well... You'll just have to give them personal demonstrations/
    hands on lectures when you visit them, I guess.... with a little
    exposure to actually using the picture frames, they might decide it's
    not quite so arcane after all... :)
    Possibly! Last summer my Mother did have the frame out and she has
    seen the vacation pictures but had not seen a different presentation on
    a second thumbdrive (pictures and short videos my Mother would have
    been interested in but not my Aunt). We never did get around to seeing
    them: my Mother too tired or too busy or not enough time or....
    Another visit, perhaps...
    Another one is coming up; right now don't know when as a lot of 'time
    variables'.
    By Easter, maybe...?
    At this point looks like mid-June.
    That would be visiting your Aunt, not just your Mother....?
    Correct.

    Ok.... are you visiting your Mother before that...?

    As for my Aunt, I don't know if my Mother showed my Aunt or what. My
    Mother was staying with my Aunt in her apartment (I was in the hotel a
    couple blocks away). Early in the vacation I was going to show and it
    was a 'later'; admittedly after a while I forgot about it.
    Again... maybe another visit.... ;)
    Works for me!
    Just have to keep it in mind to put on the trip agenda... ;)
    Yup....
    Write yourself a note, and then put it somewhere where you'll trip
    over it when you start getting ready for the next trip there... ;)
    Need to remind myself to remember to read the reminder note about remembering!

    That's why I suggested putting it somewhere that you can't help but run
    into it... :)

    ... He's so old his photo ID is a black and white tin-type.
    That sounds just a little implausible... but indeed ancient... <G>
    Well, since they do require renewals every few years, maybe a
    Polaroid!
    Nowadays, they take them with computer cameras.... ;)
    Yes. My Mother's camera is still 35mm film - apparently she's not the only one as can purchase and develop at two or three stores convenient
    to her. She has said usually only a few boxes of film available and
    she does look at the dates to be certain not expired and will last a
    while in her camera.

    That's what my camera is, but I've not taken any pictures for ages
    now... less need/opportunity to do so than previously...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun Mar 1 09:06:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Was reminded by the subject: they are predicting flooding again this
    year but not as high a level. The chit-chat between the local news
    anchors and meteorologist included a comment about stacking the HESCO
    Barriers double thickness.
    Maybe this year they'll be better prepared to deal with things...
    Hopefully! I do recall having a half-thought some time back of why
    the barriers didn't have a better seal at the junctions (between and
    under the individual units): can't possibly line 'em up that
    accurately. Some sections did have plastic sheets (probably Visqueen
    or equivalent), but even then if gets punctured by debris shooting down the River.....
    Let's just hope that they've used this time wisely to refine the
    materials and figure out solutions to the problems last year....
    :)

    Hey: we're working with the govenrment here! Do you really think...??!!

    From what snippets have been reported on the news lately it sounds like
    just about nothing has been done. Was determined they need an outside
    expert (as opposed to figuring it all out ourselves). (I thought that
    was decided last summer.) Some other rather mundane items. I think a
    lot more has been done -- they did get the railroad to remove most of
    the rail bed elevations which had been installed to elevate the trains.

    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the
    riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas. When
    the River rises the plan is to just let it flood so made to withstand
    water and any damage easily repaired. With what I've heard about river flooding this is makes sense: allowing the flooded river to spread over
    land helps alleviate downstream flooding by slowing the flow some, plus
    the extra water spreads out rather than up: 10 cubic feet of water
    covering 10 feet is only 1 foot high but the same 10 cu ft confined to 5
    feet is 2 feet high. Easier to build a short wall than a tall wall,
    plus less water pressure on the short wall.


    BTW, now they're talking of 6" of snow -- I was only half-paying
    attention and so not sure if that 6" over Tuesday and Wednesday or
    some snow on Tuesday and 6" more on Wednesday. (Guess will find out!)
    Places near us got that 6"+ 6", but we only got maybe 3 or 4" all
    told... and currently have been getting just more dribs and
    drabs... last night less than an inch, nothing much today...
    Other places around us got hit a lot harder... :)

    That one really fizzled: I think that was the 'storm' we got a whopping
    «". South and east of here did get snow but I think it was only a few
    inches.


    Ah, well... You'll just have to give them personal demonstrations/
    hands on lectures when you visit them, I guess.... with a little
    exposure to actually using the picture frames, they might decide it's
    not quite so arcane after all... :)
    Possibly! Last summer my Mother did have the frame out and she has
    seen the vacation pictures but had not seen a different presentation
    on BM>>>> a second thumbdrive (pictures and short videos my
    Mother would have
    been interested in but not my Aunt). We never did get around to
    seeing BM>>>> them: my Mother too tired or too busy or not enough
    time or....
    Another visit, perhaps...
    Another one is coming up; right now don't know when as a lot of 'time
    variables'.
    By Easter, maybe...?
    At this point looks like mid-June.
    That would be visiting your Aunt, not just your Mother....?
    Correct.
    Ok.... are you visiting your Mother before that...?

    At this point no. She is super-concerned about the Coronavirus, though
    oddly not to the point of wearing a mask and gloves or use of hand
    sanitizer when going out. A little while ago she had been talking about
    us visiting my Aunt (in Vienna) in May or June; now nothing to do with airplanes so that trip is postponed.

    OTOH my Aunt in the meantime slipped and broke her hip so she's in the hospital. (Remember that thread on long words: try this one:
    Allgemeines Krankenhaus der Stadt Wien Universitatskliniken ==>
    general sick house city of Vienna univeristy clinics

    Not sure when she will be released; problem is no one at her home
    (apartment) to take care of her; does have visiting nurses but needs
    almost constant care/oversight for quite a while (I know from
    experience!) I did call yesterday and she sounded happy and in good
    spirits.



    As for my Aunt, I don't know if my Mother showed my Aunt or what. My
    Mother was staying with my Aunt in her apartment (I was in the hotel a
    couple blocks away). Early in the vacation I was going to show and it
    was a 'later'; admittedly after a while I forgot about it.
    Again... maybe another visit.... ;)
    Works for me!
    Just have to keep it in mind to put on the trip agenda... ;)
    Yup....
    Write yourself a note, and then put it somewhere where you'll trip
    over it when you start getting ready for the next trip there... ;)
    Need to remind myself to remember to read the reminder note about remembering!
    That's why I suggested putting it somewhere that you can't help
    but run into it... :)

    Still had a problem: last summer my Aunt was extremely picky about
    putting things back where they belonged, nothing out that that shouldn't
    be out (get, use, put away). May have been an attempt to compensate for
    some memory loss.


    ... He's so old his photo ID is a black and white tin-type.
    That sounds just a little implausible... but indeed ancient... <G>
    Well, since they do require renewals every few years, maybe a
    Polaroid!
    Nowadays, they take them with computer cameras.... ;)
    Yes. My Mother's camera is still 35mm film - apparently she's not the only one as can purchase and develop at two or three stores convenient
    to her. She has said usually only a few boxes of film available and
    she does look at the dates to be certain not expired and will last a
    while in her camera.
    That's what my camera is, but I've not taken any pictures for
    ages now... less need/opportunity to do so than previously...

    I too take less pictures - less opportunites in general (Vienna trips
    aside: click-click-click-click-click!!!). OTOH when I do take pictures
    I take more as "plenty of film" and if take two or three of essentially
    the same one will have someone's eyes closed, another will have an odd
    shadow, ....

    Also find digital pictures handy for potential problems: package arrives crushed - take a picture to verify! If items inside is OK just delete
    the pictures.

    Also take for fun stuff. Local 4 o'clock 'happy news' had a segemnt on
    a polar bear cub at the Vienna Zoo. Take a picture of the screen,
    transfer to a letter to my Aunt. ...OK, I'll admit it's easier if the
    show is recorded and can get the camera! I don't have the phone's camera
    on and me watching TV through the camera screen! (Jeopardy! is on
    locally at 4:30: record that and tell MythTV to start early.)


    ... A computer addict needs 26 hours in a day, all 8 days of the
    week

    Well they did say the Earth used to rotate at 25 hours instead of the
    current 24. And why are there seven days instead of eight?

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Mar 6 18:28:22 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 01-Mar-2020 09:06 <=-

    Was reminded by the subject: they are predicting flooding again this
    year but not as high a level. The chit-chat between the local news
    anchors and meteorologist included a comment about stacking the HESCO
    Barriers double thickness.
    Maybe this year they'll be better prepared to deal with things...
    Hopefully! I do recall having a half-thought some time back of why
    the barriers didn't have a better seal at the junctions (between and
    under the individual units): can't possibly line 'em up that
    accurately. Some sections did have plastic sheets (probably Visqueen
    or equivalent), but even then if gets punctured by debris shooting down
    the River.....
    Let's just hope that they've used this time wisely to refine the
    materials and figure out solutions to the problems last year.... :)
    Hey: we're working with the govenrment here! Do you really think...??!!

    Sigh... you do have a point there.... ;0

    From what snippets have been reported on the news lately it sounds
    like just about nothing has been done. Was determined they need an outside expert (as opposed to figuring it all out ourselves). (I
    thought that was decided last summer.) Some other rather mundane
    items. I think a lot more has been done -- they did get the railroad
    to remove most of the rail bed elevations which had been installed to elevate the trains.

    Hopefully there's a lot happening behind the scenes that just isn't being
    made public yet.... or the railroads will need to re-install the
    elevations to get the tracks out of the water....

    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas.
    When the River rises the plan is to just let it flood so made to
    withstand water and any damage easily repaired. With what I've heard about river flooding this does makes sense: allowing the flooded river
    to spread over land helps alleviate downstream flooding by slowing the flow some, plus the extra water spreads out rather than up: 10 cubic
    feet of water covering 10 feet is only 1 foot high but the same 10 cu
    ft confined to 5 feet is 2 feet high. Easier to build a short wall
    than a tall wall, plus less water pressure on the short wall.

    That does seem like a practical and useful plan... how close are they to implementing that....?

    BTW, now they're talking of 6" of snow -- I was only half-paying
    attention and so not sure if that 6" over Tuesday and Wednesday or
    some snow on Tuesday and 6" more on Wednesday. (Guess will find out!)
    Places near us got that 6"+ 6", but we only got maybe 3 or 4" all
    told... and currently have been getting just more dribs and drabs...
    last night less than an inch, nothing much today... Other places
    around us got hit a lot harder... :)
    That one really fizzled: I think that was the 'storm' we got a
    whopping «". South and east of here did get snow but I think it was
    only a few inches.

    Yesterday, one of the radio announcers kept saying that today we'd be
    getting 2 to 4" of snow... the forecast from NOAA at the airport was
    saying maybe a trace... Looks like if it comes, it won't be until this afternoon... and likely isn't going to be much of anything.... and won't
    stick long anyway since tomorrow is supposed to be sunny and not as
    cold... and then Sunday and Monday are warming up....

    Ah, well... You'll just have to give them personal demonstrations/
    hands on lectures when you visit them, I guess.... with a little
    exposure to actually using the picture frames, they might decide
    it's not quite so arcane after all... :)
    Possibly! Last summer my Mother did have the frame out and she
    has seen the vacation pictures but had not seen a different
    presentation on a second thumbdrive (pictures and short videos my
    Mother would have been interested in but not my Aunt). We never
    did get around to seeing them: my Mother too tired or too busy or
    not enough time or....
    Another visit, perhaps...
    Another one is coming up; right now don't know when as a lot of
    'time variables'.
    By Easter, maybe...?
    At this point looks like mid-June.
    That would be visiting your Aunt, not just your Mother....?
    Correct.
    Ok.... are you visiting your Mother before that...?
    At this point no. She is super-concerned about the Coronavirus,
    though oddly not to the point of wearing a mask and gloves or use of
    hand sanitizer when going out. A little while ago she had been talking about us visiting my Aunt (in Vienna) in May or June; now nothing to do with airplanes so that trip is postponed.

    Probably safer that way... I do know some people that are still making
    their accustomed flights here there and everywhere, pretty much, but if
    it's postponeable, it's probably a better idea, especially when you are
    talking somewhat elderly travelers.... Perhaps by May or June, the scare
    will have died down, and be more contained... :) And life will go back
    to somewhat normal.... ;)

    OTOH my Aunt in the meantime slipped and broke her hip so she's in the hospital. (Remember that thread on long words: try this one:
    Allgemeines Krankenhaus der Stadt Wien Universitatskliniken ==>
    general sick house city of Vienna university clinics)

    Pretty understandable still, though.... :)

    Not sure when she will be released; problem is no one at her home (apartment) to take care of her; does have visiting nurses but needs almost constant care/oversight for quite a while (I know from
    experience!) I did call yesterday and she sounded happy and in good spirits.

    So she'll be in some sort of rehabilitation for a few weeks/months until
    she can resume her own care on her own...?

    As for my Aunt, I don't know if my Mother showed my Aunt or what.
    My Mother was staying with my Aunt in her apartment (I was in the
    hotel a couple blocks away). Early in the vacation I was going to
    show and it was a 'later'; admittedly after a while I forgot about it.
    Again... maybe another visit.... ;)
    Works for me!
    Just have to keep it in mind to put on the trip agenda... ;)
    Yup....
    Write yourself a note, and then put it somewhere where you'll trip
    over it when you start getting ready for the next trip there... ;)
    Need to remind myself to remember to read the reminder note about
    remembering!
    That's why I suggested putting it somewhere that you can't help
    but run into it... :)
    Still had a problem: last summer my Aunt was extremely picky about
    putting things back where they belonged, nothing out that that
    shouldn't be out (get, use, put away). May have been an attempt to compensate for some memory loss.

    So you couldn't rely on seeing the object to remind yourself to show and
    tell for her.... ;) Put your note in your daily calendar, loose, and
    keep moving it as the time progresses.... ;)

    Yes. My Mother's camera is still 35mm film - apparently she's not the
    only one as can purchase and develop at two or three stores convenient
    to her. She has said usually only a few boxes of film available and
    she does look at the dates to be certain not expired and will last a
    while in her camera.
    That's what my camera is, but I've not taken any pictures for ages
    now... less need/opportunity to do so than previously...
    I too take less pictures - less opportunities in general (Vienna trips aside: click-click-click-click-click!!!). OTOH when I do take
    pictures I take more as "plenty of film" and if take two or three of essentially the same one will have someone's eyes closed, another will have an odd shadow, ....

    Makes sense.... usually I'm with others who are busy taking the
    pictures... and with their digital cameras or phones, so the results are
    just about instantaneous....

    Also find digital pictures handy for potential problems: package
    arrives crushed - take a picture to verify! If items inside is OK just delete the pictures.

    Also makes sense.

    Also take for fun stuff. Local 4 o'clock 'happy news' had a segemnt
    on a polar bear cub at the Vienna Zoo. Take a picture of the screen, transfer to a letter to my Aunt. ...OK, I'll admit it's easier if the show is recorded and can get the camera! I don't have the phone's
    camera on and me watching TV through the camera screen! (Jeopardy! is
    on locally at 4:30: record that and tell MythTV to start early.)

    Yes, viewing after the fact from recording does make it easier to stop
    and get the camera out to get the shot... :)

    ... A computer addict needs 26 hours in a day, all 8 days of the
    week

    Well they did say the Earth used to rotate at 25 hours instead of the current 24. And why are there seven days instead of eight?

    Because that's where God quit creating....? ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Mar 7 10:00:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Was reminded by the subject: they are predicting flooding again this
    year but not as high a level. The chit-chat between the local news
    anchors and meteorologist included a comment about stacking the HESCO
    Barriers double thickness.
    Maybe this year they'll be better prepared to deal with things...
    Hopefully! I do recall having a half-thought some time back of why
    the barriers didn't have a better seal at the junctions (between and
    under the individual units): can't possibly line 'em up that
    accurately. Some sections did have plastic sheets (probably Visqueen
    or equivalent), but even then if gets punctured by debris shooting down
    the River.....
    Let's just hope that they've used this time wisely to refine the
    materials and figure out solutions to the problems last year.... :)
    Hey: we're working with the government here! Do you really think...??!!
    Sigh... you do have a point there.... ;0

    Unfortunately.... OTOH they should have a lot of reminders to get
    things done by downtown residents and business owners.



    From what snippets have been reported on the news lately it sounds
    like just about nothing has been done. Was determined they need an outside expert (as opposed to figuring it all out ourselves). (I
    thought that was decided last summer.) Some other rather mundane
    items. I think a lot more has been done -- they did get the railroad
    to remove most of the rail bed elevations which had been installed to elevate the trains.
    Hopefully there's a lot happening behind the scenes that just
    isn't being made public yet.... or the railroads will need to
    re-install the elevations to get the tracks out of the water....

    Right: if nothing done it is just going to be a a loop of raise the
    tracks, fight with the railroad to lower, get lowered, flood, raise....
    Plus with the yearly flooding I'm quite sure the Downtown would slowly
    be abandoned, or at least the half closest to the River. (Maybe that's
    the secret! Do nothing, the problem section goes away.)


    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas.
    When the River rises the plan is to just let it flood so made to
    withstand water and any damage easily repaired. With what I've heard about river flooding this does makes sense: allowing the flooded river
    to spread over land helps alleviate downstream flooding by slowing the flow some, plus the extra water spreads out rather than up: 10 cubic
    feet of water covering 10 feet is only 1 foot high but the same 10 cu
    ft confined to 5 feet is 2 feet high. Easier to build a short wall
    than a tall wall, plus less water pressure on the short wall.
    That does seem like a practical and useful plan... how close are
    they to implementing that....?

    I think they were going to start with Phase 1 soon, as in sometime this
    month or April. Other phases following, I assume partially on money
    available, land acquisition (not sure if some of the project is
    currently in use as residence/business). Would also make sense to build
    a section and test: this material holds up, this one has a problem; more
    shade needed for the picnic tables.....


    Yesterday, one of the radio announcers kept saying that today
    we'd be getting 2 to 4" of snow... the forecast from NOAA at the
    airport was saying maybe a trace... Looks like if it comes, it
    won't be until this afternoon... and likely isn't going to be
    much of anything.... and won't stick long anyway since tomorrow
    is supposed to be sunny and not as cold... and then Sunday and
    Monday are warming up....

    We've had high's in the 50's and almost 60ø this first week of March. Definitely a wind chill factor: couple of days ago the average wind
    speed was 20-25 MPH and did have a record gust of 61 MPH.



    At this point looks like mid-June.
    That would be visiting your Aunt, not just your Mother....?
    Correct.
    Ok.... are you visiting your Mother before that...?
    At this point no. She is super-concerned about the Coronavirus,
    though oddly not to the point of wearing a mask and gloves or use of
    hand sanitizer when going out. A little while ago she had been talking about us visiting my Aunt (in Vienna) in May or June; now nothing to do with airplanes so that trip is postponed.
    Probably safer that way... I do know some people that are still
    making their accustomed flights here there and everywhere, pretty
    much, but if it's postponeable, it's probably a better idea,
    especially when you are talking somewhat elderly travelers....
    Perhaps by May or June, the scare will have died down, and be
    more contained... :) And life will go back to somewhat
    normal.... ;)

    Yes, I'm certain things will be back to normal by Summer, though
    probably slightly modified to check for fevers and maybe better cleaning
    of surfaces.


    OTOH my Aunt in the meantime slipped and broke her hip so she's in the hospital. (Remember that thread on long words: try this one:
    Allgemeines Krankenhaus der Stadt Wien Universitatskliniken ==>
    general sick house city of Vienna university clinics)
    Pretty understandable still, though.... :)

    Pause to get over the shock of the longer word, look for potential words
    within the mega-word, flip some around to account for the different
    grammer rules....


    Not sure when she will be released; problem is no one at her home (apartment) to take care of her; does have visiting nurses but needs almost constant care/oversight for quite a while (I know from
    experience!) I did call yesterday and she sounded happy and in good spirits.
    So she'll be in some sort of rehabilitation for a few
    weeks/months until she can resume her own care on her own...?

    My Mother had called my Aunt earlier this week and found she was going
    to be transferred to a Kurhaus (rehabilitation building) by the end of
    the week. So basically a type of assisted living site. Was given the telephone number by the staff. A few days later I called that number:
    ring ring ring -- short message in German, fortunately followed in
    English: essentially the number does not exist. Check: dialled right.
    I call the hospital (original - Krankenhaus), explain, get the same
    number. Great! I try to ask for the name of the Kurhaus but they just
    give me the phone number again and then pretty much hang up.

    Call my Mother to explain what's going on. She tries later (different shift?!) but same problem. She calls a couple of neighbours to my Aunt
    to see what they can find out and eventually do get a valid number: the
    last digit was wrong, though was the last digit of the room my Aunt was traferred to. I'll try calling later this morning.

    In the meantime while my Mother was calling to get the number I was
    trying to do Google searchs for a potential lead. My Mother had
    obtained the name of the facility but that didn't come up with anything.
    (I might try a reverse search now that I have a valid telephone number
    to see if I overlooked something.)


    As for my Aunt, I don't know if my Mother showed my Aunt or what.
    My Mother was staying with my Aunt in her apartment (I was in the
    hotel a couple blocks away). Early in the vacation I was going to
    show and it was a 'later'; admittedly after a while I forgot about
    it. NB>>>>> Again... maybe another visit.... ;)
    Works for me!
    Just have to keep it in mind to put on the trip agenda... ;)
    Yup....
    Write yourself a note, and then put it somewhere where you'll trip
    over it when you start getting ready for the next trip there... ;)
    Need to remind myself to remember to read the reminder note about
    remembering!
    That's why I suggested putting it somewhere that you can't help
    but run into it... :)
    Still had a problem: last summer my Aunt was extremely picky about
    putting things back where they belonged, nothing out that that
    shouldn't be out (get, use, put away). May have been an attempt to compensate for some memory loss.
    So you couldn't rely on seeing the object to remind yourself to
    show and tell for her.... ;) Put your note in your daily
    calendar, loose, and keep moving it as the time progresses.... ;)

    There are ways to give myself reminders.


    Yes. My Mother's camera is still 35mm film - apparently she's not the
    only one as can purchase and develop at two or three stores convenient
    to her. She has said usually only a few boxes of film available and
    she does look at the dates to be certain not expired and will last a
    while in her camera.
    That's what my camera is, but I've not taken any pictures for ages
    now... less need/opportunity to do so than previously...
    I too take less pictures - less opportunities in general (Vienna trips aside: click-click-click-click-click!!!). OTOH when I do take
    pictures I take more as "plenty of film" and if take two or three of essentially the same one will have someone's eyes closed, another will have an odd shadow, ....
    Makes sense.... usually I'm with others who are busy taking the pictures... and with their digital cameras or phones, so the
    results are just about instantaneous....

    Right, my Mother has had that also; people say they'll print a few
    pictures to give to her and they never do.



    Also take for fun stuff. Local 4 o'clock 'happy news' had a segemnt
    on a polar bear cub at the Vienna Zoo. Take a picture of the screen, transfer to a letter to my Aunt. ...OK, I'll admit it's easier if the show is recorded and can get the camera! I don't have the phone's
    camera on and me watching TV through the camera screen! (Jeopardy! is
    on locally at 4:30: record that and tell MythTV to start early.)
    Yes, viewing after the fact from recording does make it easier to
    stop and get the camera out to get the shot... :)

    And I don't know if my Aunt has seen those pictures: I think the letter
    was to arrive about the time she fell, so might be in her mailbox.



    ... A computer addict needs 26 hours in a day, all 8 days of the
    week
    Well they did say the Earth used to rotate at 25 hours instead of the current 24. And why are there seven days instead of eight?
    Because that's where God quit creating....? ;)

    Forgot that little detail!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Mar 13 00:10:16 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 07-Mar-2020 10:00 <=-

    Maybe this year they'll be better prepared to deal with things...
    Hopefully! I do recall having a half-thought some time back of why
    the barriers didn't have a better seal at the junctions (between and
    under the individual units): can't possibly line 'em up that
    accurately. Some sections did have plastic sheets (probably Visqueen
    or equivalent), but even then if gets punctured by debris shooting down
    the River.....
    Let's just hope that they've used this time wisely to refine the
    materials and figure out solutions to the problems last year.... :)
    Hey: we're working with the government here! Do you really think...??!!
    Sigh... you do have a point there.... ;0
    Unfortunately.... OTOH they should have a lot of reminders to get
    things done by downtown residents and business owners.

    So maybe by the time the floods actually start, there'll have been some progress made... ;)

    From what snippets have been reported on the news lately it sounds
    like just about nothing has been done. Was determined they need an
    outside expert (as opposed to figuring it all out ourselves). (I
    thought that was decided last summer.) Some other rather mundane
    items. I think a lot more has been done -- they did get the railroad
    to remove most of the rail bed elevations which had been installed to
    elevate the trains.
    Hopefully there's a lot happening behind the scenes that just isn't
    being made public yet.... or the railroads will need to re-install
    the elevations to get the tracks out of the water....
    Right: if nothing done it is just going to be a a loop of raise the tracks, fight with the railroad to lower, get lowered, flood,
    raise.... Plus with the yearly flooding I'm quite sure the Downtown
    would slowly be abandoned, or at least the half closest to the River. (Maybe that's the secret! Do nothing, the problem section goes away.)

    More likely the merchants and all would band together to make some sort
    of fix... Serve the government right if they were presented the bill afterwards... ;)

    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the
    riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas.
    When the River rises the plan is to just let it flood so made to
    withstand water and any damage easily repaired. With what I've heard
    about river flooding this does makes sense: allowing the flooded river
    to spread over land helps alleviate downstream flooding by slowing the
    flow some, plus the extra water spreads out rather than up: 10 cubic
    feet of water covering 10 feet is only 1 foot high but the same 10 cu
    ft confined to 5 feet is 2 feet high. Easier to build a short wall
    than a tall wall, plus less water pressure on the short wall.
    That does seem like a practical and useful plan... how close are
    they to implementing that....?
    I think they were going to start with Phase 1 soon, as in sometime
    this month or April. Other phases following, I assume partially on
    money available, land acquisition (not sure if some of the project is currently in use as residence/business). Would also make sense to
    build a section and test: this material holds up, this one has a
    problem; more shade needed for the picnic tables.....

    You'll have to make reports on how that progresses... ;)

    Yesterday, one of the radio announcers kept saying that today we'd be
    getting 2 to 4" of snow... the forecast from NOAA at the airport was
    saying maybe a trace... Looks like if it comes, it won't be until
    this afternoon... and likely isn't going to be much of anything....
    and won't stick long anyway since tomorrow is supposed to be sunny
    and not as cold... and then Sunday and Monday are warming up....
    We've had high's in the 50's and almost 60ø this first week of March. Definitely a wind chill factor: couple of days ago the average wind
    speed was 20-25 MPH and did have a record gust of 61 MPH.

    So we got about an inch of snow, started Friday afternoon/evening... sat
    there on Saturday looking pretty... and was mostly gone by Sunday
    afternoon, totally by Monday... Monday was almost 60ø.... We did get
    some winds, but not as bad as yours...

    At this point looks like mid-June.
    That would be visiting your Aunt, not just your Mother....?
    Correct.
    Ok.... are you visiting your Mother before that...?
    At this point no. She is super-concerned about the Coronavirus,
    though oddly not to the point of wearing a mask and gloves or use of
    hand sanitizer when going out. A little while ago she had been talking
    about us visiting my Aunt (in Vienna) in May or June; now nothing to do
    with airplanes so that trip is postponed.
    Probably safer that way... I do know some people that are still making
    their accustomed flights here there and everywhere, pretty much, but
    if it's postponeable, it's probably a better idea, especially when you
    are talking somewhat elderly travelers.... Perhaps by May or June, the
    scare will have died down, and be more contained... :) And life will
    go back to somewhat normal.... ;)
    Yes, I'm certain things will be back to normal by Summer, though
    probably slightly modified to check for fevers and maybe better
    cleaning of surfaces.

    There's quite a lot of containment edicts being made now... hopefully it
    will be effective, and not too counter-productive otherwise...

    OTOH my Aunt in the meantime slipped and broke her hip so she's in the
    hospital. (Remember that thread on long words: try this one:
    Allgemeines Krankenhaus der Stadt Wien Universitatskliniken ==>
    general sick house city of Vienna university clinics)
    Pretty understandable still, though.... :)
    Pause to get over the shock of the longer word, look for potential
    words within the mega-word, flip some around to account for the
    different grammer rules....

    Yup. :)

    Not sure when she will be released; problem is no one at her home
    (apartment) to take care of her; does have visiting nurses but needs
    almost constant care/oversight for quite a while (I know from
    experience!) I did call yesterday and she sounded happy and in good
    spirits.
    So she'll be in some sort of rehabilitation for a few weeks/months
    until she can resume her own care on her own...?
    My Mother had called my Aunt earlier this week and found she was going
    to be transferred to a Kurhaus (rehabilitation building) by the end of
    the week. So basically a type of assisted living site.

    A "cure house", I see... ;)

    Was given the
    telephone number by the staff. A few days later I called that number: ring ring ring -- short message in German, fortunately followed in English: essentially the number does not exist. Check: dialled right.
    I call the hospital (original - Krankenhaus), explain, get the same number. Great! I try to ask for the name of the Kurhaus but they
    just give me the phone number again and then pretty much hang up.
    Call my Mother to explain what's going on. She tries later (different shift?!) but same problem. She calls a couple of neighbours to my
    Aunt to see what they can find out and eventually do get a valid
    number: the last digit was wrong, though was the last digit of the room
    my Aunt was traferred to. I'll try calling later this morning.

    Crazy... can see how the mistake could happen, but still....

    In the meantime while my Mother was calling to get the number I was
    trying to do Google searchs for a potential lead. My Mother had
    obtained the name of the facility but that didn't come up with
    anything. (I might try a reverse search now that I have a valid
    telephone number to see if I overlooked something.)

    They might not want to be too easily found, just for safety concerns...

    I too take less pictures - less opportunities in general (Vienna trips
    aside: click-click-click-click-click!!!). OTOH when I do take
    pictures I take more as "plenty of film" and if take two or three of
    essentially the same one will have someone's eyes closed, another will
    have an odd shadow, ....
    Makes sense.... usually I'm with others who are busy taking the
    pictures... and with their digital cameras or phones, so the
    results are just about instantaneous....
    Right, my Mother has had that also; people say they'll print a few pictures to give to her and they never do.

    One picture that was taken at one of our family campings, my sister sent
    it to me as a text to my phone... It's still on my phone, a picture of
    me and my four sisters that were there that year...

    Also take for fun stuff. Local 4 o'clock 'happy news' had a segemnt
    on a polar bear cub at the Vienna Zoo. Take a picture of the screen,
    transfer to a letter to my Aunt. ...OK, I'll admit it's easier if the
    show is recorded and can get the camera! I don't have the phone's
    camera on and me watching TV through the camera screen! (Jeopardy! is
    on locally at 4:30: record that and tell MythTV to start early.)
    Yes, viewing after the fact from recording does make it easier to stop
    and get the camera out to get the shot... :)
    And I don't know if my Aunt has seen those pictures: I think the
    letter was to arrive about the time she fell, so might be in her
    mailbox.

    Hopefully she'll at least see it eventually...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Mar 13 09:40:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Maybe this year they'll be better prepared to deal with things...
    Hopefully! I do recall having a half-thought some time back of why
    the barriers didn't have a better seal at the junctions (between and
    under the individual units): can't possibly line 'em up that
    accurately. Some sections did have plastic sheets (probably Visqueen
    or equivalent), but even then if gets punctured by debris shooting down
    the River.....
    Let's just hope that they've used this time wisely to refine the
    materials and figure out solutions to the problems last year.... :)
    Hey: we're working with the government here! Do you really think...??!!
    Sigh... you do have a point there.... ;0
    Unfortunately.... OTOH they should have a lot of reminders to get
    things done by downtown residents and business owners.
    So maybe by the time the floods actually start, there'll have
    been some progress made... ;)

    In the intermim there have been announcements of more meetings, so the
    better preparations are probably in progress. One news item was of a
    meeting where one of the local NWS (National Weather Service) people was speaking about the flood probabilties - quite sure there was discussion
    on what to do to hold back the waters, just not covered in the news item.


    tracks, fight with the railroad to lower, get lowered, flood,
    raise.... Plus with the yearly flooding I'm quite sure the Downtown
    would slowly be abandoned, or at least the half closest to the River. (Maybe that's the secret! Do nothing, the problem section goes away.)
    More likely the merchants and all would band together to make
    some sort of fix... Serve the government right if they were
    presented the bill afterwards... ;)

    It would! Probably get hit back with "you didn't get this properly
    permitted so here's that bill plus penalities".


    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the
    riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas.
    When the River rises the plan is to just let it flood so made to
    withstand water and any damage easily repaired. With what I've heard
    about river flooding this does makes sense: allowing the flooded river
    to spread over land helps alleviate downstream flooding by slowing the
    flow some, plus the extra water spreads out rather than up: 10 cubic
    feet of water covering 10 feet is only 1 foot high but the same 10 cu
    ft confined to 5 feet is 2 feet high. Easier to build a short wall
    than a tall wall, plus less water pressure on the short wall.
    That does seem like a practical and useful plan... how close are
    they to implementing that....?
    I think they were going to start with Phase 1 soon, as in sometime
    this month or April. Other phases following, I assume partially on
    money available, land acquisition (not sure if some of the project is currently in use as residence/business). Would also make sense to
    build a section and test: this material holds up, this one has a
    problem; more shade needed for the picnic tables.....
    You'll have to make reports on how that progresses... ;)

    Might be doing on-the-scene if Autumn wants to investigate!


    Yesterday, one of the radio announcers kept saying that today we'd be
    getting 2 to 4" of snow... the forecast from NOAA at the airport was
    saying maybe a trace... Looks like if it comes, it won't be until
    this afternoon... and likely isn't going to be much of anything....
    and won't stick long anyway since tomorrow is supposed to be sunny
    and not as cold... and then Sunday and Monday are warming up....
    We've had high's in the 50's and almost 60ø this first week of March. Definitely a wind chill factor: couple of days ago the average wind
    speed was 20-25 MPH and did have a record gust of 61 MPH.
    So we got about an inch of snow, started Friday
    afternoon/evening... sat there on Saturday looking pretty... and
    was mostly gone by Sunday afternoon, totally by Monday... Monday
    was almost 60ø.... We did get some winds, but not as bad as
    yours...

    Has been nice this week -- upper 40's/lower 50's. This morning's
    forecast is for a half to three-quarters of an inch of snow ...
    Saturday? That's tomorrow and seems too soon but Sunday doesn't sound
    right either. Guess I'll be surprised! Is supposed to melt and be gone
    by the end of whichever day. South of here forecasting an inch.


    At this point looks like mid-June.
    That would be visiting your Aunt, not just your Mother....?
    Correct.
    Ok.... are you visiting your Mother before that...?
    At this point no. She is super-concerned about the Coronavirus,
    though oddly not to the point of wearing a mask and gloves or use of
    hand sanitizer when going out. A little while ago she had been talking
    about us visiting my Aunt (in Vienna) in May or June; now nothing to do
    with airplanes so that trip is postponed.
    Probably safer that way... I do know some people that are still making
    their accustomed flights here there and everywhere, pretty much, but
    if it's postponeable, it's probably a better idea, especially when you
    are talking somewhat elderly travelers.... Perhaps by May or June, the
    scare will have died down, and be more contained... :) And life will
    go back to somewhat normal.... ;)
    Yes, I'm certain things will be back to normal by Summer, though
    probably slightly modified to check for fevers and maybe better
    cleaning of surfaces.
    There's quite a lot of containment edicts being made now...
    hopefully it will be effective, and not too counter-productive otherwise...

    This morning's news also announced the formation of a committee to
    coordinate the ... well I decided to grab the blurb form the TV station:

    A press conference is expected to be held in the Quad Cities on Friday,
    March 13 in regards to the new coronavirus, COVID-19.

    The conference will be held at 10:30 a.m. by the newly formed QC
    COVID-19 Coalition.

    The group includes hospital administration, public health officials, the
    Quad Cities Chamber and Visit Quad Cities.

    The group plans to talk about ways to stop the spread in the event it is
    to hit the Quad Cities area.

    Not mentioned but I hope Dr. Katz is strongly involved -- local health official who is on top of things, level-headed, and is pretty good at
    steering people away form paranoia and rash decisions.



    <Aunt slipped and broke hip>
    Not sure when she will be released; problem is no one at her home
    (apartment) to take care of her; does have visiting nurses but needs
    almost constant care/oversight for quite a while (I know from
    experience!) I did call yesterday and she sounded happy and in good
    spirits.
    So she'll be in some sort of rehabilitation for a few weeks/months
    until she can resume her own care on her own...?
    My Mother had called my Aunt earlier this week and found she was going
    to be transferred to a Kurhaus (rehabilitation building) by the end of
    the week. So basically a type of assisted living site.
    A "cure house", I see... ;)

    That would be the easy word! :)


    Was given the
    telephone number by the staff. A few days later I called that number: ring ring ring -- short message in German, fortunately followed in English: essentially the number does not exist. Check: dialled right.
    I call the hospital (original - Krankenhaus), explain, get the same number. Great! I try to ask for the name of the Kurhaus but they
    just give me the phone number again and then pretty much hang up.
    Call my Mother to explain what's going on. She tries later (different shift?!) but same problem. She calls a couple of neighbours to my
    Aunt to see what they can find out and eventually do get a valid
    number: the last digit was wrong, though was the last digit of the room
    my Aunt was transferred to. I'll try calling later this morning.
    Crazy... can see how the mistake could happen, but still....

    Right: almost would like to ask them so if you were in my shoes how
    would you feel?



    In the meantime while my Mother was calling to get the number I was
    trying to do Google searchs for a potential lead. My Mother had
    obtained the name of the facility but that didn't come up with
    anything. (I might try a reverse search now that I have a valid
    telephone number to see if I overlooked something.)
    They might not want to be too easily found, just for safety
    concerns...

    I never did get around to the reverse look up option. ...Right now
    thinking I'd like to find out how their telephone numbers are
    structured. There seems to be some 'coding' in the way given: spaces in
    the print version, grouping in the vocal; LIS they don't use the same convention as we do here U.S. (3-3-4: area code, exchange, line).



    I too take less pictures - less opportunities in general (Vienna trips
    aside: click-click-click-click-click!!!). OTOH when I do take
    pictures I take more as "plenty of film" and if take two or three of
    essentially the same one will have someone's eyes closed, another will
    have an odd shadow, ....
    Makes sense.... usually I'm with others who are busy taking the
    pictures... and with their digital cameras or phones, so the
    results are just about instantaneous....
    Right, my Mother has had that also; people say they'll print a few pictures to give to her and they never do.
    One picture that was taken at one of our family campings, my
    sister sent it to me as a text to my phone... It's still on my
    phone, a picture of me and my four sisters that were there that
    year...

    The problem is my Mother barely uses her cell phone -- I hope she
    remembers to charge it every so often! <writing reminder>


    Also take for fun stuff. Local 4 o'clock 'happy news' had a segemnt
    on a polar bear cub at the Vienna Zoo. Take a picture of the screen,
    transfer to a letter to my Aunt. ...OK, I'll admit it's easier if the
    show is recorded and can get the camera! I don't have the phone's
    camera on and me watching TV through the camera screen! (Jeopardy! is
    on locally at 4:30: record that and tell MythTV to start early.)
    Yes, viewing after the fact from recording does make it easier to stop
    and get the camera out to get the shot... :)
    And I don't know if my Aunt has seen those pictures: I think the
    letter was to arrive about the time she fell, so might be in her
    mailbox.
    Hopefully she'll at least see it eventually...

    Eventually!

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Mar 26 18:48:18 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 13-Mar-2020 09:40 <=-

    Let's just hope that they've used this time wisely to refine the
    materials and figure out solutions to the problems last year.... :)
    Hey: we're working with the government here! Do you really think...??!!
    Sigh... you do have a point there.... ;0
    Unfortunately.... OTOH they should have a lot of reminders to get
    things done by downtown residents and business owners.
    So maybe by the time the floods actually start, there'll have been
    some progress made... ;)
    In the intermim there have been announcements of more meetings, so the better preparations are probably in progress. One news item was of a meeting where one of the local NWS (National Weather Service) people
    was speaking about the flood probabilties - quite sure there was discussion on what to do to hold back the waters, just not covered in
    the news item.

    So now we'll just hope that the prep will be done in time for when the
    flooding starts.... ;)

    tracks, fight with the railroad to lower, get lowered, flood,
    raise.... Plus with the yearly flooding I'm quite sure the Downtown
    would slowly be abandoned, or at least the half closest to the River.
    (Maybe that's the secret! Do nothing, the problem section goes away.)
    More likely the merchants and all would band together to make some
    sort of fix... Serve the government right if they were presented
    the bill afterwards... ;)
    It would! Probably get hit back with "you didn't get this properly permitted so here's that bill plus penalities".

    Nah... at that point they'd need to compromise... ;) But maybe the
    merchants would get praise for their initiative.... :)

    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the
    riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas.
    When the River rises the plan is to just let it flood so made to
    withstand water and any damage easily repaired. With what I've heard
    about river flooding this does makes sense: allowing the flooded river
    to spread over land helps alleviate downstream flooding by slowing the
    flow some, plus the extra water spreads out rather than up: 10 cubic
    feet of water covering 10 feet is only 1 foot high but the same 10 cu
    ft confined to 5 feet is 2 feet high. Easier to build a short wall
    than a tall wall, plus less water pressure on the short wall.
    That does seem like a practical and useful plan... how close are
    they to implementing that....?
    I think they were going to start with Phase 1 soon, as in sometime
    this month or April. Other phases following, I assume partially on
    money available, land acquisition (not sure if some of the project is
    currently in use as residence/business). Would also make sense to
    build a section and test: this material holds up, this one has a
    problem; more shade needed for the picnic tables.....
    You'll have to make reports on how that progresses... ;)
    Might be doing on-the-scene if Autumn wants to investigate!

    That could be a fun trip... :)

    We've had high's in the 50's and almost 60ø this first week of March.
    Definitely a wind chill factor: couple of days ago the average wind
    speed was 20-25 MPH and did have a record gust of 61 MPH.
    So we got about an inch of snow, started Friday afternoon/evening...
    sat there on Saturday looking pretty... and was mostly gone by Sunday
    afternoon, totally by Monday... Monday was almost 60ø.... We did get
    some winds, but not as bad as yours...
    Has been nice this week -- upper 40's/lower 50's. This morning's
    forecast is for a half to three-quarters of an inch of snow ...
    Saturday? That's tomorrow and seems too soon but Sunday doesn't sound right either. Guess I'll be surprised! Is supposed to melt and be
    gone by the end of whichever day. South of here forecasting an inch.

    Looks like we're likely to only get small bits of snow that don't stick
    around, if any, for the rest of the season.... the highs keep going
    close to or in the 60s, followed by highs only into the 40s, but those
    aren't really snow-keeping temps... ;)

    Ok.... are you visiting your Mother before that...?
    At this point no. She is super-concerned about the Coronavirus,
    though oddly not to the point of wearing a mask and gloves or use of
    hand sanitizer when going out. A little while ago she had been talking
    about us visiting my Aunt (in Vienna) in May or June; now nothing to do
    with airplanes so that trip is postponed.
    Probably safer that way... I do know some people that are still making
    their accustomed flights here there and everywhere, pretty much, but
    if it's postponeable, it's probably a better idea, especially when you
    are talking somewhat elderly travelers.... Perhaps by May or June, the
    scare will have died down, and be more contained... :) And life will
    go back to somewhat normal.... ;)
    Yes, I'm certain things will be back to normal by Summer, though
    probably slightly modified to check for fevers and maybe better
    cleaning of surfaces.
    There's quite a lot of containment edicts being made now... hopefully
    it will be effective, and not too counter-productive otherwise...
    This morning's news also announced the formation of a committee to coordinate the ... well I decided to grab the blurb form the TV
    station:
    A press conference is expected to be held in the Quad Cities on
    Friday, March 13 in regards to the new coronavirus, COVID-19.
    The conference will be held at 10:30 a.m. by the newly formed QC
    COVID-19 Coalition.
    The group includes hospital administration, public health officials,
    the Quad Cities Chamber and Visit Quad Cities.
    The group plans to talk about ways to stop the spread in the event
    it is to hit the Quad Cities area.
    Not mentioned but I hope Dr. Katz is strongly involved -- local health official who is on top of things, level-headed, and is pretty good at steering people away form paranoia and rash decisions.

    So has it hit the Quad Cities yet...? It's here, but seems not to be
    hitting too hard... I did just hear of the daughter of one of my friends getting it, but she's doing fine now, recovering... now my friend is in
    a two-week quarantine... but so far, we're still well... :) We only go
    out for groceries, meds, and the occasional take-out (restaurants are
    closed except for takeout/delivery)... Our church services have been
    live streamed, with only a skeleton "crew" there, the preacher, service
    leader, and accompanist pretty much.... it's my turn to play for the
    service this coming Sunday, so I'll go for that... otherwise, I've been
    staying home... appointments have been cancelled, to reschedule later
    when things ease up, can't go out to lunch with friends at the moment...
    things are weird, but doable.... :)

    <Aunt slipped and broke hip>
    So she'll be in some sort of rehabilitation for a few weeks/months
    until she can resume her own care on her own...?
    My Mother had called my Aunt earlier this week and found she was going
    to be transferred to a Kurhaus (rehabilitation building) by the end of
    the week. So basically a type of assisted living site.
    A "cure house", I see... ;)
    That would be the easy word! :)
    Was given the telephone number by the staff. [...]
    Call my Mother to explain what's going on. She tries later (different
    shift?!) but same problem. She calls a couple of neighbours to my
    Aunt to see what they can find out and eventually do get a valid
    number: the last digit was wrong, though was the last digit of the room
    my Aunt was transferred to. I'll try calling later this morning.
    Crazy... can see how the mistake could happen, but still....
    Right: almost would like to ask them so if you were in my shoes how
    would you feel?

    If it weren't calling an overseas hospital, I'd be tempted to call and
    let them know that they'd been giving out the wrong number... that might
    have generated an apology.... At this point, though, it's water over the
    dam, and besides, they may well be overwhelmed by the coronavirus by now themselves....

    In the meantime while my Mother was calling to get the number I was
    trying to do Google searchs for a potential lead. My Mother had
    obtained the name of the facility but that didn't come up with
    anything. (I might try a reverse search now that I have a valid
    telephone number to see if I overlooked something.)
    They might not want to be too easily found, just for safety concerns...
    I never did get around to the reverse look up option. ...Right now thinking I'd like to find out how their telephone numbers are
    structured. There seems to be some 'coding' in the way given: spaces
    in the print version, grouping in the vocal; LIS they don't use the
    same convention as we do here U.S. (3-3-4: area code, exchange, line).

    I've noted similar with the UK numbers... some of them seem to be the
    same number of numbers as ours, but sometimes spaced differently...
    others have fewer or more numbers... plus, one has to add the country
    access code to the front of the number instead of the leading 0...

    Makes sense.... usually I'm with others who are busy taking the
    pictures... and with their digital cameras or phones, so the
    results are just about instantaneous....
    Right, my Mother has had that also; people say they'll print a few
    pictures to give to her and they never do.
    One picture that was taken at one of our family campings, my sister
    sent it to me as a text to my phone... It's still on my phone, a
    picture of me and my four sisters that were there that year...
    The problem is my Mother barely uses her cell phone -- I hope she remembers to charge it every so often! <writing reminder>

    Maybe she'd remember if she had something to look at on it... <G> I
    keep mine charged since I use it as a backup phone for when I'm out and about... and some family members have a habit of texting me from time to
    time instead of calling on the landline....

    segment on a polar bear cub at the Vienna Zoo. Take a picture of
    the screen, transfer to a letter to my Aunt. [...]
    And I don't know if my Aunt has seen those pictures: I think the
    letter was to arrive about the time she fell, so might be in her
    mailbox.
    Hopefully she'll at least see it eventually...
    Eventually!

    Did you get any updates from her....?

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Mar 27 11:39:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Let's just hope that they've used this time wisely to refine the
    materials and figure out solutions to the problems last year.... :)
    Hey: we're working with the government here! Do you really think...??!!
    Sigh... you do have a point there.... ;0
    Unfortunately.... OTOH they should have a lot of reminders to get
    things done by downtown residents and business owners.
    So maybe by the time the floods actually start, there'll have been
    some progress made... ;)
    In the intermim there have been announcements of more meetings, so the better preparations are probably in progress. One news item was of a meeting where one of the local NWS (National Weather Service) people
    was speaking about the flood probabilties - quite sure there was discussion on what to do to hold back the waters, just not covered in
    the news item.
    So now we'll just hope that the prep will be done in time for
    when the flooding starts.... ;)

    Already started! Some rivers have already been at flood stage; good
    news is just to the top of the banks, so no damage. There will be more
    than likely much higher water levels coming soon. And as you said,
    hopefully the time since last year has been spent wisely to minimize
    damages.


    tracks, fight with the railroad to lower, get lowered, flood,
    raise.... Plus with the yearly flooding I'm quite sure the Downtown
    would slowly be abandoned, or at least the half closest to the River.
    (Maybe that's the secret! Do nothing, the problem section goes away.)
    More likely the merchants and all would band together to make some
    sort of fix... Serve the government right if they were presented
    the bill afterwards... ;)
    It would! Probably get hit back with "you didn't get this properly permitted so here's that bill plus penalities".
    Nah... at that point they'd need to compromise... ;) But maybe
    the merchants would get praise for their initiative.... :)

    :) There are times when not strictly adhering to the rules is beneficial
    to all!



    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the
    riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas.
    <snip>
    That does seem like a practical and useful plan... how close are
    they to implementing that....?
    I think they were going to start with Phase 1 soon, as in sometime
    this month or April. Other phases following, I assume partially on
    money available, land acquisition (not sure if some of the project is
    currently in use as residence/business). Would also make sense to
    build a section and test: this material holds up, this one has a
    problem; more shade needed for the picnic tables.....
    You'll have to make reports on how that progresses... ;)
    Might be doing on-the-scene if Autumn wants to investigate!
    That could be a fun trip... :)

    It could be! Even if ends up nothing of interest the exploration
    portion of the trip could be interesting. ...I haven't heard anything further -- the exploration might be full of surprises to me!


    We've had high's in the 50's and almost 60ø this first week of March.
    Definitely a wind chill factor: couple of days ago the average wind
    speed was 20-25 MPH and did have a record gust of 61 MPH.
    So we got about an inch of snow, started Friday afternoon/evening...
    sat there on Saturday looking pretty... and was mostly gone by Sunday
    afternoon, totally by Monday... Monday was almost 60ø.... We did get
    some winds, but not as bad as yours...
    Has been nice this week -- upper 40's/lower 50's. This morning's
    forecast is for a half to three-quarters of an inch of snow ...
    Saturday? That's tomorrow and seems too soon but Sunday doesn't sound right either. Guess I'll be surprised! Is supposed to melt and be
    gone by the end of whichever day. South of here forecasting an inch.
    Looks like we're likely to only get small bits of snow that don't
    stick around, if any, for the rest of the season.... the highs
    keep going close to or in the 60s, followed by highs only into
    the 40s, but those aren't really snow-keeping temps... ;)

    We're pretty much into the rainy season (and this morning's news
    indicated storms overnight and tomorrow afternoon); last Sunday's half-to-three-quarters of an inch of snow ended up with just a hare
    under 3". Did brush off the cars but the sidewalks and driveways were essentially clear. We have had snow in April and I think even early
    May.


    <COVID-19>
    So has it hit the Quad Cities yet...? It's here, but seems not
    to be hitting too hard... I did just hear of the daughter of one
    of my friends getting it, but she's doing fine now, recovering...
    now my friend is in a two-week quarantine... but so far, we're
    still well... :) We only go out for groceries, meds, and the
    occasional take-out (restaurants are closed except for takeout/delivery)... Our church services have been live streamed,
    with only a skeleton "crew" there, the preacher, service leader,
    and accompanist pretty much.... it's my turn to play for the
    service this coming Sunday, so I'll go for that... otherwise,
    I've been staying home... appointments have been cancelled, to
    reschedule later when things ease up, can't go out to lunch with
    friends at the moment... things are weird, but doable.... :)

    Has hit locally -- earlier in the week cases reported in Muscatine
    County to the south and Clinton County to the north; this county (Scott)
    had its first reported case Wednesday or Thursday. Rock Island County
    on the Illinois side had a reported case last week IIRC -- we were
    surrounded so just a matter of time.

    And good on the recovery of your friend's daughter.

    Most of the churches here are closed and live-streaming services. Just
    about all restaurants are only doing take-out, curbside, etc. I heard
    on this morning's news Governor Reynolds (Iowa) is considering shutting
    down non-essential retail. OTOH us Iowans seem to be doing reasonaly
    well at self-continament: traffic on the roads is down almost 50%,
    though the report also said the "high rollers" are down only 21% --
    apparently the speeders.

    I did venture out yesterday as part of Thursday Morning Meanderings.
    Stopped at Dollar General to pick up some Easter cards, birthday cards,
    etc. - out of toilet paper and hand sanitizer. I was going to pick up a package just-in-case -- we've already given away four or five rolls.

    Likewise Hy-Vee was out. Their remodeling coming along. Did find out
    what was in the old liquor store section (it had been moved to the next
    store ovre): the liquor store had been expanded so now twice the size!!
    I'll have to wander in to check it out but looks almost elegant and cozy
    with what seemed to be 'starlight' light fixtures.

    Then off to get gas before my points expired. No coffee-flavoured M&Ms
    yet but the lady who is more in charge and originally said she'd try to
    order said she and the supplier were still looking. :)



    <Aunt slipped and broke hip>
    So she'll be in some sort of rehabilitation for a few weeks/months
    until she can resume her own care on her own...?
    My Mother had called my Aunt earlier this week and found she was going
    to be transferred to a Kurhaus (rehabilitation building) by the end of
    the week. So basically a type of assisted living site.
    A "cure house", I see... ;)
    That would be the easy word! :)
    Was given the telephone number by the staff. [...]
    Call my Mother to explain what's going on. She tries later (different
    shift?!) but same problem. She calls a couple of neighbours to my
    Aunt to see what they can find out and eventually do get a valid
    number: the last digit was wrong, though was the last digit of the room
    my Aunt was transferred to. I'll try calling later this morning.
    Crazy... can see how the mistake could happen, but still....
    Right: almost would like to ask them so if you were in my shoes how
    would you feel?
    If it weren't calling an overseas hospital, I'd be tempted to
    call and let them know that they'd been giving out the wrong
    number... that might have generated an apology.... At this point,
    though, it's water over the dam, and besides, they may well be
    overwhelmed by the coronavirus by now themselves....

    Yes, I don't know to what degree the Coronavirus is affecting things on
    that side. I did check the phone number with my Mother and I had a
    digit doubled -- she essentially swears up and down it was my fault
    though I know I had triple-checked the number - whatever, resolved now.

    As far as calling the hospital back to give them a price of my mind,
    migh be even more frustrating as that side speaks German and I speak
    English. Some basic German, but that's about it. On the Vienna side
    most speak some English - from a little to fairly fluent, and the degree
    of fluency is sometimes determined by how nice you are: angry and pushy
    English gets the equivalent of 'me no speak English' whereas the "I'm
    sorry I don't speak more than a few words but can you help me please?" generally gets an "I'll try to help" on that side, or "I can't help but
    let me give you my colleague who speaks a little better". (They tend to
    use the term 'colleague' over there frequently -- British influence?



    In the meantime while my Mother was calling to get the number I was
    trying to do Google searchs for a potential lead. My Mother had
    obtained the name of the facility but that didn't come up with
    anything. (I might try a reverse search now that I have a valid
    telephone number to see if I overlooked something.)
    They might not want to be too easily found, just for safety concerns...
    I never did get around to the reverse look up option. ...Right now thinking I'd like to find out how their telephone numbers are
    structured. There seems to be some 'coding' in the way given: spaces
    in the print version, grouping in the vocal; LIS they don't use the
    same convention as we do here U.S. (3-3-4: area code, exchange, line).
    I've noted similar with the UK numbers... some of them seem to be
    the same number of numbers as ours, but sometimes spaced
    differently... others have fewer or more numbers... plus, one has
    to add the country access code to the front of the number instead
    of the leading 0...

    I'm sort of wondering how the telephone computers know where to direct
    the call! If the telephone number in Austria begins with a "1" is for a landline number in Vienna but "699" for a mobile phone. And it's not a
    6 and then 99-something. (I tracked down a list - 'quirky' to my U.S.-
    based thinking,)

    My Aunt's home phone number matched the U.S, pattern and we didn't need
    the other patterns until a few years ago. My Mother was arguing there
    was an extra digit to my cousin's mobile number; fortunately she didn't realize it when he gave it because of the spacing. Shortly after that I stumbled on the phone number 'key' listing and things started making a
    little more sense.



    Makes sense.... usually I'm with others who are busy taking the
    pictures... and with their digital cameras or phones, so the
    results are just about instantaneous....
    Right, my Mother has had that also; people say they'll print a few
    pictures to give to her and they never do.
    One picture that was taken at one of our family campings, my sister
    sent it to me as a text to my phone... It's still on my phone, a
    picture of me and my four sisters that were there that year...
    The problem is my Mother barely uses her cell phone -- I hope she remembers to charge it every so often! <writing reminder>
    Maybe she'd remember if she had something to look at on it... <G>
    I keep mine charged since I use it as a backup phone for when
    I'm out and about... and some family members have a habit of
    texting me from time to time instead of calling on the
    landline....

    She tends to use the "I'm old therefore I don't know how" or "it's been
    so long I've forgotten" excuses. Of course there are times when I don't
    do something because I'm not sure. ...As for the she might use it if
    something to look at, agree. I don't know if her phone can take
    pictures -- it is halfway current as passed the 'test' late last year
    when I had her check. (I had to get a new phone because of the VoLTE requirment.) Plus I find 'little conveniences' for using the phone:
    calendar for appointments for example.



    segment on a polar bear cub at the Vienna Zoo. Take a picture of
    the screen, transfer to a letter to my Aunt. [...]
    And I don't know if my Aunt has seen those pictures: I think the
    letter was to arrive about the time she fell, so might be in her
    mailbox.
    Hopefully she'll at least see it eventually...
    Eventually!
    Did you get any updates from her....?

    I didn't even think to ask last time I called -- wrote note to remind
    me. Easter is coming up -- got a card yesterday so need to send that
    off shortly. Will send to her apartment and hope someone is picking up
    and bringing her mail; hospitals are forbidding visitors but would think
    could get a box of mail.... drop off during a 'meandering': public transportation costs but pass is good for the entire day. Know the
    'kurhaus' where my Aunt is currently is in the adjoining District, which
    are sort of like wards here in the U.S...... Of course what I would do
    and what someone else would do........
    the

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Fri Apr 3 17:01:48 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 27-Mar-2020 11:39 <=-

    In the interim there have been announcements of more meetings, so the
    better preparations are probably in progress. One news item was of a
    meeting where one of the local NWS (National Weather Service) people
    was speaking about the flood probabilties - quite sure there was
    discussion on what to do to hold back the waters, just not covered in
    the news item.
    So now we'll just hope that the prep will be done in time for when the
    flooding starts.... ;)
    Already started! Some rivers have already been at flood stage; good
    news is just to the top of the banks, so no damage. There will be
    more than likely much higher water levels coming soon. And as you
    said, hopefully the time since last year has been spent wisely to
    minimize damages.

    Guess you'll soon see.... Maybe there'll been less snow this winter, and
    so less snowmelt to contribute to the flooding...

    tracks, fight with the railroad to lower, get lowered, flood,
    raise.... Plus with the yearly flooding I'm quite sure the Downtown
    would slowly be abandoned, or at least the half closest to the River.
    (Maybe that's the secret! Do nothing, the problem section goes away.)
    More likely the merchants and all would band together to make some
    sort of fix... Serve the government right if they were presented
    the bill afterwards... ;)
    It would! Probably get hit back with "you didn't get this properly
    permitted so here's that bill plus penalities".
    Nah... at that point they'd need to compromise... ;) But maybe the
    merchants would get praise for their initiative.... :)
    :) There are times when not strictly adhering to the rules is
    beneficial to all!

    And even times when that is acknowledged afterwards.... ;)

    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the
    riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas.
    <snip>
    I think they were going to start with Phase 1 soon, as in sometime
    this month or April. Other phases following, I assume partially on
    money available, land acquisition (not sure if some of the project is
    currently in use as residence/business). Would also make sense to
    build a section and test: this material holds up, this one has a
    problem; more shade needed for the picnic tables.....
    You'll have to make reports on how that progresses... ;)
    Might be doing on-the-scene if Autumn wants to investigate!
    That could be a fun trip... :)
    It could be! Even if ends up nothing of interest the exploration
    portion of the trip could be interesting. ...I haven't heard
    anything further -- the exploration might be full of surprises to me!

    Have you had a chance to explore it yet....?

    Has been nice this week -- upper 40's/lower 50's. This morning's
    forecast is for a half to three-quarters of an inch of snow ...
    Saturday? That's tomorrow and seems too soon but Sunday doesn't sound
    right either. Guess I'll be surprised! Is supposed to melt and be
    gone by the end of whichever day. South of here forecasting an inch.
    Looks like we're likely to only get small bits of snow that don't
    stick around, if any, for the rest of the season.... the highs keep
    going close to or in the 60s, followed by highs only into the 40s, but
    those aren't really snow-keeping temps... ;)
    We're pretty much into the rainy season (and this morning's news
    indicated storms overnight and tomorrow afternoon);

    We're getting into that, too.... a few days ago, maybe it was as long
    ago as Sunday, there were threats of severe thunderstorms and very heavy rain... that storm appeared to have moved either north or south of us, as
    we didn't get anything but rain... and not too heavy at that....

    last Sunday's half-to-three-quarters of an inch of snow ended up with
    just a hare under 3". Did brush off the cars but the sidewalks and driveways were essentially clear. We have had snow in April and I
    think even early May.

    I remember a Mother's Day snowstorm one year here.... not that that's at
    all normal...

    <COVID-19>
    So has it hit the Quad Cities yet...? It's here, but seems not to be
    hitting too hard... I did just hear of the daughter of one of my
    friends getting it, but she's doing fine now, recovering... now my
    friend is in a two-week quarantine... but so far, we're still well...
    We only go out for groceries, meds, and the occasional take-out
    (restaurants are closed except for takeout/delivery)... Our church
    services have been live streamed, with only a skeleton "crew" there,
    the preacher, service leader, and accompanist pretty much.... it's my
    turn to play for the service this coming Sunday, so I'll go for
    that... otherwise, I've been staying home... appointments have been
    cancelled, to reschedule later when things ease up, can't go out to
    lunch with friends at the moment... things are weird, but doable... :)
    Has hit locally -- earlier in the week cases reported in Muscatine
    County to the south and Clinton County to the north; this county
    (Scott) had its first reported case Wednesday or Thursday. Rock Island County on the Illinois side had a reported case last week IIRC -- we
    were surrounded so just a matter of time.

    Very few if any places are totally unaffected now....

    Most of the churches here are closed and live-streaming services.
    Just about all restaurants are only doing take-out, curbside, etc. I heard on this morning's news Governor Reynolds (Iowa) is considering shutting down non-essential retail. OTOH us Iowans seem to be doing reasonaly well at self-containment: traffic on the roads is down almost 50%, though the report also said the "high rollers" are down only 21%
    -- apparently the speeders.

    We have a lot less traffic on the roads, too... dunno percentages, but
    with the schools closed, and all non-essential retail/busnesses shut
    down, fewer people need to be out much... Lots of people are working
    from home, too...

    I did venture out yesterday as part of Thursday Morning Meanderings. Stopped at Dollar General to pick up some Easter cards, birthday
    cards, etc. - out of toilet paper and hand sanitizer. I was going to
    pick up a package just-in-case -- we've already given away four or five rolls.
    Likewise Hy-Vee was out. Their remodeling coming along.

    Our Wegmans was totally out for a couple of weeks, but last week was
    able to get a shipment of some off-brand (made in Canada) 6-roll
    packs... We've not needed any, nor are we likely to, having previously
    stocked up normally just before the crisis hit... We shopped yesterday,
    and noted that there are some other things being somewhat restocked,
    too, but in limited quantities... I think the hoarders may have settled
    down now, too...

    Did find out what was in the old liquor store section (it had been moved to the next store over): the liquor store had been expanded so now
    twice the size!! I'll have to wander in to check it out but looks almost elegant and cozy with what seemed to be 'starlight' light fixtures.

    Something to look forward to... :)

    Then off to get gas before my points expired. No coffee-flavoured
    M&Ms yet but the lady who is more in charge and originally said she'd
    try to order said she and the supplier were still looking. :)

    It does make me wonder if they were indeed a test-market item... ;) But
    even if they were, they could be back, as a NEW item, introduced more widely.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat Apr 4 10:01:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    In the interim there have been announcements of more meetings, so the
    better preparations are probably in progress. One news item was of a
    meeting where one of the local NWS (National Weather Service) people
    was speaking about the flood probabilties - quite sure there was
    discussion on what to do to hold back the waters, just not covered in
    the news item.
    So now we'll just hope that the prep will be done in time for when the
    flooding starts.... ;)
    Already started! Some rivers have already been at flood stage; good
    news is just to the top of the banks, so no damage. There will be
    more than likely much higher water levels coming soon. And as you
    said, hopefully the time since last year has been spent wisely to
    minimize damages.
    Guess you'll soon see.... Maybe there'll been less snow this
    winter, and so less snowmelt to contribute to the flooding...

    There has been some minor flooding already -- a trail or street right
    next to the River might have had water on it -- and they are
    anticipating need-to-use-the-floodwalls some time in the near future. I haven't heard the estimated arrival date nor how much.


    tracks, fight with the railroad to lower, get lowered, flood,
    raise.... Plus with the yearly flooding I'm quite sure the Downtown
    would slowly be abandoned, or at least the half closest to the River.
    (Maybe that's the secret! Do nothing, the problem section goes away.)
    More likely the merchants and all would band together to make some
    sort of fix... Serve the government right if they were presented
    the bill afterwards... ;)
    It would! Probably get hit back with "you didn't get this properly
    permitted so here's that bill plus penalities".
    Nah... at that point they'd need to compromise... ;) But maybe the
    merchants would get praise for their initiative.... :)
    :) There are times when not strictly adhering to the rules is
    beneficial to all!
    And even times when that is acknowledged afterwards.... ;)

    Probably rare but yes.


    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the
    riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas.
    <snip>
    I think they were going to start with Phase 1 soon, as in sometime
    this month or April. Other phases following, I assume partially on
    money available, land acquisition (not sure if some of the project is
    currently in use as residence/business). Would also make sense to
    build a section and test: this material holds up, this one has a
    problem; more shade needed for the picnic tables.....
    You'll have to make reports on how that progresses... ;)
    Might be doing on-the-scene if Autumn wants to investigate!
    That could be a fun trip... :)
    It could be! Even if ends up nothing of interest the exploration
    portion of the trip could be interesting. ...I haven't heard
    anything further -- the exploration might be full of surprises to me!
    Have you had a chance to explore it yet....?

    No. Autumn hasn't wanted to go wandering and if she did not sure we'd
    take her where the desire to touch/climb/etc. would be extremely
    tempting with the COVID-19 out there. Plus if it has been designated as
    a park even though in-progess it would be closed and off-limits (city regulation, so far not state).


    Has been nice this week -- upper 40's/lower 50's. This morning's
    forecast is for a half to three-quarters of an inch of snow ...
    Saturday? That's tomorrow and seems too soon but Sunday doesn't sound
    right either. Guess I'll be surprised! Is supposed to melt and be
    gone by the end of whichever day. South of here forecasting an inch.
    Looks like we're likely to only get small bits of snow that don't
    stick around, if any, for the rest of the season.... the highs keep
    going close to or in the 60s, followed by highs only into the 40s, but
    those aren't really snow-keeping temps... ;)
    We're pretty much into the rainy season (and this morning's news
    indicated storms overnight and tomorrow afternoon);
    We're getting into that, too.... a few days ago, maybe it was as
    long ago as Sunday, there were threats of severe thunderstorms
    and very heavy rain... that storm appeared to have moved either
    north or south of us, as we didn't get anything but rain... and
    not too heavy at that....

    My Mother said there was quite a storm a few days ago so probably the
    same one you experienced. I know a bit of a distance between you two
    but the weather map indicated the path was rather wide even out here.

    They're talking about rain later this morning -- not as nasty a system!



    last Sunday's half-to-three-quarters of an inch of snow ended up with
    just a hare under 3". Did brush off the cars but the sidewalks and driveways were essentially clear. We have had snow in April and I
    think even early May.
    I remember a Mother's Day snowstorm one year here.... not that
    that's at all normal...

    That's why it was memorable: occurring during a late holiday. We've had
    snow in May too: snow on the lilac blossoms. Speaking of that, the
    Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches have
    lost bark, so dead. Some were dead when I trimmed in the Fall and
    didn't get to cutting out, so might not be too many newly-dead, or even
    any. A slightly later project to clean that out. Last couple of days
    we're clearing leaves from around the perennials and shrubs. So far
    will be too cold this morning (30ø) and supposed ot rain later.


    <COVID-19>
    So has it hit the Quad Cities yet...? It's here, but seems not to be
    hitting too hard... I did just hear of the daughter of one of my
    friends getting it, but she's doing fine now, recovering... now my
    friend is in a two-week quarantine... but so far, we're still well...
    We only go out for groceries, meds, and the occasional take-out
    (restaurants are closed except for takeout/delivery)... Our church
    services have been live streamed, with only a skeleton "crew" there,
    the preacher, service leader, and accompanist pretty much.... it's my
    turn to play for the service this coming Sunday, so I'll go for
    that... otherwise, I've been staying home... appointments have been
    cancelled, to reschedule later when things ease up, can't go out to
    lunch with friends at the moment... things are weird, but doable... :)
    Has hit locally -- earlier in the week cases reported in Muscatine
    County to the south and Clinton County to the north; this county
    (Scott) had its first reported case Wednesday or Thursday. Rock Island County on the Illinois side had a reported case last week IIRC -- we
    were surrounded so just a matter of time.
    Very few if any places are totally unaffected now....

    Unfortunately yes. The Iowa Governor extended school closures through
    April 30th; locally the school boards are trying to keep high school
    seniors' graduations on schedule ==> won't have the ceremony but at
    least the diploma. Nothing's been said but I wonder about what's going
    on with upcoming freshman college classes: the colleges and universities
    are also closed. Established students are doing on-line classes; I could
    just as easily tele-learn from Iowa to class in New York, though my IP
    address would give me away!


    Most of the churches here are closed and live-streaming services.
    Just about all restaurants are only doing take-out, curbside, etc. I heard on this morning's news Governor Reynolds (Iowa) is considering shutting down non-essential retail. OTOH us Iowans seem to be doing reasonaly well at self-containment: traffic on the roads is down almost 50%, though the report also said the "high rollers" are down only 21%
    -- apparently the speeders.
    We have a lot less traffic on the roads, too... dunno
    percentages, but with the schools closed, and all non-essential retail/busnesses shut down, fewer people need to be out much...
    Lots of people are working from home, too...

    True.... Grocery stores becoming the new 'in' spot to gather and see
    people! I'm thinking it's national but here the Target (Super Target,
    with grocery) is limiting to 60 people inside at a time, Home Depot
    limiting to 100. What's sort of funny is here the Target is much larger
    than the Home Depot (excluding Garden Center) so the numbers should be reversed.


    I did venture out yesterday as part of Thursday Morning Meanderings. Stopped at Dollar General to pick up some Easter cards, birthday
    cards, etc. - out of toilet paper and hand sanitizer. I was going to
    pick up a package just-in-case -- we've already given away four or five rolls.
    Likewise Hy-Vee was out. Their remodeling coming along.

    I did 'score' a packet of Angel Soft last Thursday! Last one other than
    maybe a dozen packs of a brand I didn't recognize. Even better I had a
    dollar off digital coupon!! Woo-hoo!! <g>

    (I don't know if more toilet paper further down the aisle: limit one
    signs, didn't need to report to anyone on availability....)



    Our Wegmans was totally out for a couple of weeks, but last week
    was able to get a shipment of some off-brand (made in Canada)
    6-roll packs... We've not needed any, nor are we likely to,
    having previously stocked up normally just before the crisis
    hit... We shopped yesterday, and noted that there are some other
    things being somewhat restocked, too, but in limited
    quantities... I think the hoarders may have settled down now,
    too...

    Did you see/hear on the news a semi-trailer of toilet paper had caught
    on fire? Think it was in Texas. Here was reported as part of the local
    news and as a teaser before a commercial break. The anchor is reading
    the teaser off the telepromter and is stiffling a laugh: I can imagine
    her thinking "my career is now down to reading stories about toilet
    paper"!

    Back to the hoarders. I'm thinking they've calmed down some also, though
    Hy-Vee did have quarts of orange juice at 99› (limit two) in the
    Wednesday ads (print, TV, digital) and they were out Thursday morning.


    Did find out what was in the old liquor store section (it had been moved to the next store over): the liquor store had been expanded so now
    twice the size!! I'll have to wander in to check it out but looks almost elegant and cozy with what seemed to be 'starlight' light fixtures.
    Something to look forward to... :)

    I just peeked from a distance last week -- maybe next time go in and
    check.


    Then off to get gas before my points expired. No coffee-flavoured
    M&Ms yet but the lady who is more in charge and originally said she'd
    try to order said she and the supplier were still looking. :)
    It does make me wonder if they were indeed a test-market item...
    ;) But even if they were, they could be back, as a NEW item,
    introduced more widely.... ;)

    Possibly! Or another limited version in conjuction with Starbucks!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon Apr 13 18:40:54 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 04-Apr-2020 10:01 <=-

    Already started! Some rivers have already been at flood stage; good
    news is just to the top of the banks, so no damage. There will be
    more than likely much higher water levels coming soon. And as you
    said, hopefully the time since last year has been spent wisely to
    minimize damages.
    Guess you'll soon see.... Maybe there'll been less snow this winter,
    and so less snowmelt to contribute to the flooding...
    There has been some minor flooding already -- a trail or street right
    next to the River might have had water on it -- and they are
    anticipating need-to-use-the-floodwalls some time in the near future.
    I haven't heard the estimated arrival date nor how much.

    Do they have floodwalls at hand, or are they all on order for this year still...?

    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the
    riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas.
    <snip>
    You'll have to make reports on how that progresses... ;)
    Might be doing on-the-scene if Autumn wants to investigate!
    That could be a fun trip... :)
    It could be! Even if ends up nothing of interest the exploration
    portion of the trip could be interesting. ...I haven't heard
    anything further -- the exploration might be full of surprises to me!
    Have you had a chance to explore it yet....?
    No. Autumn hasn't wanted to go wandering and if she did not sure we'd take her where the desire to touch/climb/etc. would be extremely
    tempting with the COVID-19 out there. Plus if it has been designated
    as a park even though in-progess it would be closed and off-limits
    (city regulation, so far not state).

    That's true, with all the restrictions, even if she did want to go
    wandering, there wouldn't be as many legal places to go... Probably
    better to get the outdoors exposure closer to home, like the back
    yard.... And maybe they aren't able to do much with the park creation
    itself at this point....

    We're getting into that, too.... a few days ago, maybe it was as long
    ago as Sunday, there were threats of severe thunderstorms and very
    heavy rain... that storm appeared to have moved either north or south
    of us, as we didn't get anything but rain... and not too heavy at
    that....
    My Mother said there was quite a storm a few days ago so probably the
    same one you experienced. I know a bit of a distance between you two
    but the weather map indicated the path was rather wide even out here.

    It's been at least another week now... so this is ancient history... <G>
    But we've been dodging most of the storms that go on into the New
    England states and cause havoc.... we've been getting a milder form,
    possibly the edge of the system as it passes by.... I don't think we've
    even had any thunderstorms yet this year, or if we did, they were at
    night and I managed to sleep through them...

    They're talking about rain later this morning -- not as nasty a
    system!

    And right now there's supposedly a really nasty system with high winds
    and all coming through our area, and once again, it doesn't seem to be
    all that bad right here where we are.... it may well be worse south or
    north of us, more likely south, though, as I think it's part of the
    storm system that is spawning the tornadoes and such in the
    Mid-Atlantic... We've got the high wind warning until 2AM tonight...

    the Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches
    have lost bark, so dead. Some were dead when I trimmed in the Fall and didn't get to cutting out, so might not be too many newly-dead, or
    even any. A slightly later project to clean that out. Last couple of days we're clearing leaves from around the perennials and shrubs. So
    far will be too cold this morning (30ø) and supposed to rain later.

    This time of year things are just too changeable... we've had a couple
    of really warm days for April, last few and today... upper 50s and today
    upper 60s... but before that it was in the 40s and below, and coming up
    will be more cool weather... and actually not all that rainy for an
    April, though there's been enough of that, too... ;) Hopefully you'll
    get a good day for dealing with that Burning Bush plant... and hopefully
    some will have survived... :)

    <COVID-19>
    So has it hit the Quad Cities yet...? It's here, but seems not to be
    hitting too hard... I did just hear of the daughter of one of my
    friends getting it, but she's doing fine now, recovering... now my
    friend is in a two-week quarantine... but so far, we're still well...
    We only go out for groceries, meds, and the occasional take-out
    (restaurants are closed except for takeout/delivery)... Our church
    services have been live streamed, with only a skeleton "crew" there,
    the preacher, service leader, and accompanist pretty much.... it's my
    turn to play for the service this coming Sunday, so I'll go for
    that... otherwise, I've been staying home... appointments have been
    cancelled, to reschedule later when things ease up, can't go out to
    lunch with friends at the moment... things are weird, but doable... :)
    Has hit locally -- earlier in the week cases reported in Muscatine
    County to the south and Clinton County to the north; this county
    (Scott) had its first reported case Wednesday or Thursday. Rock Island
    County on the Illinois side had a reported case last week IIRC -- we
    were surrounded so just a matter of time.
    Very few if any places are totally unaffected now....
    Unfortunately yes. The Iowa Governor extended school closures through April 30th; locally the school boards are trying to keep high school seniors' graduations on schedule ==> won't have the ceremony but at
    least the diploma.

    Our schools are closed at least until April 29th, too... kids are doing distance learning and being home-schooled, too... And the colleges are
    doing things all online, too...

    Nothing's been said but I wonder about what's going on with upcoming freshman college classes: the colleges and universities are closed.

    Maybe the colleges just don't know what to plan for the fall... it's so
    much a wait-and-see now....

    Established students are doing on-line classes; I could just as easily tele-learn from Iowa to class in New York, though my IP address would
    give me away!

    Not necessarily... students have returned to their homes to do the
    distance learning, so they might have come from Iowa, or California, or
    Texas, or wherever... even from a different country....

    Most of the churches here are closed and live-streaming services.
    Just about all restaurants are only doing take-out, curbside, etc. I
    heard on this morning's news Governor Reynolds (Iowa) is considering
    shutting down non-essential retail. OTOH us Iowans seem to be doing
    reasonaly well at self-containment: traffic on the roads is down almost
    50%, though the report also said the "high rollers" are down only 21%
    -- apparently the speeders.
    We have a lot less traffic on the roads, too... dunno percentages,
    but with the schools closed, and all non-essential retail/busnesses
    shut down, fewer people need to be out much... Lots of people are
    working from home, too...
    True.... Grocery stores becoming the new 'in' spot to gather and see people! I'm thinking it's national but here the Target (Super Target, with grocery) is limiting to 60 people inside at a time, Home Depot limiting to 100. What's sort of funny is here the Target is much
    larger than the Home Depot (excluding Garden Center) so the numbers
    should be reversed.

    Not sure if the big box stores here are limiting how many inside the
    store at a time, as I've not been anywhere near them, but so far Wegmans
    hasn't limited, though they have now posted signs saying that they
    reserve the right to do so if they feel it necessary.... It's more just encouraging the 6' away from each other and otherwise maintaining
    distance from anyone... I'm not seeing so much of the stores being a
    place for gathering, but then it is being actively discouraged...

    I did venture out yesterday as part of Thursday Morning Meanderings.
    Stopped at Dollar General to pick up some Easter cards, birthday
    cards, etc. - out of toilet paper and hand sanitizer. I was going to
    pick up a package just-in-case -- we've already given away four or five
    rolls. Likewise Hy-Vee was out. Their remodeling coming along.

    I did 'score' a packet of Angel Soft last Thursday! Last one other
    than maybe a dozen packs of a brand I didn't recognize. Even better I
    had a dollar off digital coupon!! Woo-hoo!! <g>
    (I don't know if more toilet paper further down the aisle: limit one signs, didn't need to report to anyone on availability....)

    At least the paper products seem to be recovering.... ;) This past
    week, there were even Wegmans paper products available, not a full line,
    but in sufficient quantities.... :)

    Our Wegmans was totally out for a couple of weeks, but last week was
    able to get a shipment of some off-brand (made in Canada) 6-roll
    packs... We've not needed any, nor are we likely to, having
    previously stocked up normally just before the crisis hit... We
    shopped yesterday, and noted that there are some other things being
    somewhat restocked, too, but in limited quantities... I think the
    hoarders may have settled down now, too...
    Did you see/hear on the news a semi-trailer of toilet paper had caught
    on fire? Think it was in Texas. Here was reported as part of the
    local news and as a teaser before a commercial break. The anchor is reading the teaser off the telepromter and is stiffling a laugh: I can imagine her thinking "my career is now down to reading stories about toilet paper"!

    Now that one I'd not seen or heard... :)

    Back to the hoarders. I'm thinking they've calmed down some also,
    though Hy-Vee did have quarts of orange juice at 99› (limit two) in the Wednesday ads (print, TV, digital) and they were out Thursday morning.

    Maybe they weren't able to get all the stock in that they'd ordered....

    Then off to get gas before my points expired. No coffee-flavoured
    M&Ms yet but the lady who is more in charge and originally said she'd
    try to order said she and the supplier were still looking. :)
    It does make me wonder if they were indeed a test-market item... ;)
    But even if they were, they could be back, as a NEW item, introduced
    more widely.... ;)
    Possibly! Or another limited version in conjuction with Starbucks!

    That would likely only be available at Starbucks... or as a mail-in
    premium.... :)

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Tue Apr 14 10:35:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    There has been some minor flooding already -- a trail or street right
    next to the River might have had water on it -- and they are
    anticipating need-to-use-the-floodwalls some time in the near future.
    I haven't heard the estimated arrival date nor how much.
    Do they have floodwalls at hand, or are they all on order for
    this year still...?

    As I said some time last week the Mississippi River was two feet over
    flood stage; they are putting up some of the temporary barriers, so must
    be stored locally and I'd assume more on order. The barriers are a big plastic box filled with sand via bulldozer and the like. Also assume
    the barriers are a one-time use as removing the sand would damage.
    Presume the sand is filtered and reused.

    Rock Island (IL) (across the River) is a little more elevated above the
    River and so a lot less area to protect. They have some some floodgates
    which are raised during flooding. Other towns (seems mostly downriver
    from here) have levees for protection.



    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the
    riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas.
    <snip>
    You'll have to make reports on how that progresses... ;)
    Might be doing on-the-scene if Autumn wants to investigate!
    That could be a fun trip... :)
    It could be! Even if ends up nothing of interest the exploration
    portion of the trip could be interesting. ...I haven't heard
    anything further -- the exploration might be full of surprises to me!
    Have you had a chance to explore it yet....?
    No. Autumn hasn't wanted to go wandering and if she did not sure we'd take her where the desire to touch/climb/etc. would be extremely
    tempting with the COVID-19 out there. Plus if it has been designated
    as a park even though in-progess it would be closed and off-limits
    (city regulation, so far not state).
    That's true, with all the restrictions, even if she did want to
    go wandering, there wouldn't be as many legal places to go...
    Probably better to get the outdoors exposure closer to home, like
    the back yard.... And maybe they aren't able to do much with the
    park creation itself at this point....

    Plus for the past week or so the parks are closed. Iowa is one of the
    few states without the stay-in-home order; seems like we went from the
    opposite direction and closed everything down so no place to go so may
    as well stay home!

    As for Autumn, she hasn't really wanted to go outside when here; the
    weather hasn't been all that nice -- cold and windy. Good news: she has
    passed whatever test it is to get into First Grade. :) Needed 100% in
    the test, she had been missing one point the past several times (so 98%)
    -- from what we were told more from boredom or "that's enough of that
    for now". Plus sometimes she likes to screw around to see if we're
    paying attention, so maybe the same with the test.



    We're getting into that, too.... a few days ago, maybe it was as long
    ago as Sunday, there were threats of severe thunderstorms and very
    heavy rain... that storm appeared to have moved either north or south
    of us, as we didn't get anything but rain... and not too heavy at
    that....
    My Mother said there was quite a storm a few days ago so probably the
    same one you experienced. I know a bit of a distance between you two
    but the weather map indicated the path was rather wide even out here.
    It's been at least another week now... so this is ancient
    history... <G> But we've been dodging most of the storms that go
    on into the New England states and cause havoc.... we've been
    getting a milder form, possibly the edge of the system as it
    passes by.... I don't think we've even had any thunderstorms yet
    this year, or if we did, they were at night and I managed to
    sleep through them...

    My Mother said she got about a foot of snow. Fast-forward to now (!),
    here we've supposed to have been getting 'accumulating snow' the past
    several nights - so far nothing. This morning's forecast is for
    overnight snow flurries - we'll see!



    And right now there's supposedly a really nasty system with high
    winds and all coming through our area, and once again, it doesn't
    seem to be all that bad right here where we are.... it may well
    be worse south or north of us, more likely south, though, as I
    think it's part of the storm system that is spawning the
    tornadoes and such in the Mid-Atlantic... We've got the high wind
    warning until 2AM tonight...

    We've had some pretty interesting winds and gusts the last week -- 20-30
    MPH sustained and ~50 MPH gusts. Supposed to be ~40 MPH gusts
    mid-afternoon.


    the Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches
    have lost bark, so dead. Some were dead when I trimmed in the Fall and didn't get to cutting out, so might not be too many newly-dead, or
    even any. A slightly later project to clean that out. Last couple of days we're clearing leaves from around the perennials and shrubs. So
    far will be too cold this morning (30ø) and supposed to rain later.

    This time of year things are just too changeable... we've had a
    couple of really warm days for April, last few and today... upper
    50s and today upper 60s... but before that it was in the 40s and
    below, and coming up will be more cool weather... and actually
    not all that rainy for an April, though there's been enough of
    that, too... ;) Hopefully you'll get a good day for dealing with
    that Burning Bush plant... and hopefully some will have
    survived... :)

    Yes -- I'm not planning on trimming out anything unless it looks
    definitely dead, as in lack of bark. Weather lately hasn't been nice
    enough to do much outside.



    <COVID-19>
    Very few if any places are totally unaffected now....
    Unfortunately yes. The Iowa Governor extended school closures through April 30th; locally the school boards are trying to keep high school seniors' graduations on schedule ==> won't have the ceremony but at
    least the diploma.
    Our schools are closed at least until April 29th, too... kids are
    doing distance learning and being home-schooled, too... And the
    colleges are doing things all online, too...

    I'm half-expecting another extension until mid-May -- at least here in
    the Midwest; New York/East Coast might be able to start reopening around
    the first of May just because that area had it earlier than here.

    The news has a chart of number of instances by county. Scott, Clinton
    and Muscatine counties (me, north of here, south of here) are the
    highest -- yeah, we're also the most populous (in this part of Iowa) --
    of course we're going to have the most COVID-19 cases! To me would make
    more sense if also showed percentage.


    Nothing's been said but I wonder about what's going on with upcoming freshman college classes: the colleges and universities are closed.
    Maybe the colleges just don't know what to plan for the fall...
    it's so much a wait-and-see now....

    That and the summer sessions! As you indicated, too early to tell. And
    when in-person classes do begin will cause a mixing of people, not only
    locally but the U.S. and internationally -- we have three colleges / universities with a significant international student body. I'd guess a cursory medical check for flights but for those travelling by car....


    True.... Grocery stores becoming the new 'in' spot to gather and see people! I'm thinking it's national but here the Target (Super Target, with grocery) is limiting to 60 people inside at a time, Home Depot limiting to 100. What's sort of funny is here the Target is much
    larger than the Home Depot (excluding Garden Center) so the numbers
    should be reversed.
    Not sure if the big box stores here are limiting how many inside
    the store at a time, as I've not been anywhere near them, but so
    far Wegmans hasn't limited, though they have now posted signs
    saying that they reserve the right to do so if they feel it
    necessary.... It's more just encouraging the 6' away from each
    other and otherwise maintaining distance from anyone... I'm not
    seeing so much of the stores being a place for gathering, but
    then it is being actively discouraged...

    Here also more encouragement to stay in place, only going out when
    necessary. I've been told Schnuck's grocery store (chain headquartered
    in St. Louis) is restricting to 60 customers at a time. I haven't heard
    of restictions at the other grocery stores (including Hy-Vee). Hy-Vee
    did put directional arrows on the(ir brand new!) floor to sort of direct
    a flow of traffic to help keep people 6' apart. ...Another thing to add
    a bit of confusion to my shopping while the store is remodelling! Now I
    need to go down the Baby Food and Pet Food aisles!! (Um, that's plural: they're two distinct areas!)




    Back to the hoarders. I'm thinking they've calmed down some also,
    though Hy-Vee did have quarts of orange juice at 99› (limit two) in the Wednesday ads (print, TV, digital) and they were out Thursday morning.
    Maybe they weren't able to get all the stock in that they'd
    ordered....

    A strong possibility too. LIS, I wasn't going to make a big deal out of
    it; maybe in regular times see about getting a raincheck but currently
    all rainchecks are suspended. Also I'm not going to make a special trip
    if told "we're expecting a truck tomorrow".



    Then off to get gas before my points expired. No coffee-flavoured
    M&Ms yet but the lady who is more in charge and originally said she'd
    try to order said she and the supplier were still looking. :)
    It does make me wonder if they were indeed a test-market item... ;)
    But even if they were, they could be back, as a NEW item, introduced
    more widely.... ;)
    Possibly! Or another limited version in conjuction with Starbucks!
    That would likely only be available at Starbucks... or as a
    mail-in premium.... :)

    Hy-Vee now has an in-store Starbucks.


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Tue Apr 14 13:00:00 2020
    Hi Daryl!

    Hi, Barry...

    It amazes me how much water there can be! And the water isn't just BM>higher than the normal river path but spread out over land and still BM>greatly elevated. That's a LOT of water!!
    And, each thunderstorm contains at least 500,000 tons of water.

    That must have one huge scale!

    I always wondered how they determined that amount.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Fri Apr 17 08:26:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    It amazes me how much water there can be! And the water isn't just BM>higher than the normal river path but spread out over land and still BM>greatly elevated. That's a LOT of water!!
    And, each thunderstorm contains at least 500,000 tons of water.
    That must have one huge scale!
    I always wondered how they determined that amount.

    Probably an educated guess along the lines of a cubic foot of water
    weighs x-amount. Then they'd have to correct that as a cloud isn't a
    floating pond of water but more a fog, so not solid ==> capture and
    condense to figure the density and amount?

    Snowing out currently -- morning of April 17th -- warmer, or at least
    here on the ground it is, so denser and more water content than the
    fluffy kind of snow. That'll add another calculation for water content
    and weight!


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Sun Apr 19 11:19:00 2020
    Barry,

    Snowing out currently -- morning of April 17th -- warmer, or at least BM>here on the ground it is, so denser and more water content than the BM>fluffy kind of snow. That'll add another calculation for water content BM>and weight!

    In some areas, winter won't go away.

    ... Why is it that rain drops but snow falls?

    The $64 million question.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Mon Apr 20 10:35:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    Snowing out currently -- morning of April 17th -- warmer, or at least
    here on the ground it is, so denser and more water content than the
    fluffy kind of snow. That'll add another calculation for water content
    and weight!
    In some areas, winter won't go away.

    But I don't live in Alaska!



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Thu Apr 23 16:47:58 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 14-Apr-2020 10:35 <=-

    There has been some minor flooding already -- a trail or street right
    next to the River might have had water on it -- and they are
    anticipating need-to-use-the-floodwalls some time in the near future.
    I haven't heard the estimated arrival date nor how much.
    Do they have floodwalls at hand, or are they all on order for this
    year still...?
    As I said some time last week the Mississippi River was two feet over flood stage; they are putting up some of the temporary barriers, so
    must be stored locally and I'd assume more on order. The barriers are
    a big plastic box filled with sand via bulldozer and the like. Also assume the barriers are a one-time use as removing the sand would
    damage. Presume the sand is filtered and reused.

    I suppose no way of knowing when the ones now being placed arrived.... I
    wonder if they'd be stored, sand and all, though, and the sand would
    just dry out to be ready for the next flood... or maybe there's a way
    to remove the sand without damaging the boxes....

    Rock Island (IL) (across the River) is a little more elevated above
    the River and so a lot less area to protect. They have some some floodgates which are raised during flooding. Other towns (seems mostly downriver from here) have levees for protection.

    Each locality develops their own ways of dealing with the inevitable flooding... ;)

    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the
    riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas.
    <snip>
    Have you had a chance to explore it yet....?
    No. Autumn hasn't wanted to go wandering and if she did not sure we'd
    take her where the desire to touch/climb/etc. would be extremely
    tempting with the COVID-19 out there. Plus if it has been designated
    as a park even though in-progess it would be closed and off-limits
    (city regulation, so far not state).
    That's true, with all the restrictions, even if she did want to go
    wandering, there wouldn't be as many legal places to go... Probably
    better to get the outdoors exposure closer to home, like the back
    yard... And maybe they aren't able to do much with the park creation
    itself at this point....
    Plus for the past week or so the parks are closed. Iowa is one of the
    few states without the stay-in-home order; seems like we went from the opposite direction and closed everything down so no place to go so may
    as well stay home!

    As far as I know our parks weren't ever closed.... but not many are
    going there... everything else was closed down except for essential
    business, though, so still not really any place to go, so the stay home
    order is almost superfluous...

    As for Autumn, she hasn't really wanted to go outside when here; the weather hasn't been all that nice -- cold and windy. Good news: she
    has passed whatever test it is to get into First Grade. :) Needed
    100% in the test, she had been missing one point the past several times (so 98%) -- from what we were told more from boredom or "that's enough
    of that for now". Plus sometimes she likes to screw around to see if we're paying attention, so maybe the same with the test.

    She reminds me of other kids that are too smart for their own good sometimes.... :) Good that she passed that test, though... :)

    we've been dodging most of the storms that go on into the New England
    states and cause havoc.... we've been getting a milder form, possibly
    the edge of the system as it passes by.... I don't think we've even
    had any thunderstorms yet this year, or if we did, they were at night
    and I managed to sleep through them...
    My Mother said she got about a foot of snow. Fast-forward to now (!), here we've supposed to have been getting 'accumulating snow' the past several nights - so far nothing. This morning's forecast is for
    overnight snow flurries - we'll see!

    We've only had snow in dribs and drabs, too... hardly accumulating...
    but my sister, a little south of here was getting it a couple inches at
    a time... it is, though, colder than it should be this time of year...

    And right now there's supposedly a really nasty system with high winds
    and all coming through our area, and once again, it doesn't seem to be
    all that bad right here where we are.... it may well be worse south or
    north of us, more likely south, though, as I think it's part of the
    storm system that is spawning the tornadoes and such in the Mid-
    Atlantic... We've got the high wind warning until 2AM tonight...
    We've had some pretty interesting winds and gusts the last week --
    20-30 MPH sustained and ~50 MPH gusts. Supposed to be ~40 MPH gusts mid-afternoon.

    We keep getting the 20-30 MPH winds here, with gusts above that, but
    hasn't been as bad as predicted, and certainly hasn't been causing much
    if any damage... probably the previous winds this year brought down
    anything that was loose already....

    the Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches
    have lost bark, so dead. Some were dead when I trimmed in the Fall and
    didn't get to cutting out, so might not be too many newly-dead, or
    even any. A slightly later project to clean that out. Last couple of
    days we're clearing leaves from around the perennials and shrubs. So
    far will be too cold this morning (30ø) and supposed to rain later.
    This time of year things are just too changeable... we've had a couple
    of really warm days for April, last few and today... upper 50s and
    today upper 60s... but before that it was in the 40s and below, and
    coming up will be more cool weather... and actually not all that rainy
    for an April, though there's been enough of that, too... ;) Hopefully
    you'll get a good day for dealing with that Burning Bush plant... and
    hopefully some will have survived... :)
    Yes -- I'm not planning on trimming out anything unless it looks definitely dead, as in lack of bark. Weather lately hasn't been nice enough to do much outside.

    Similar here... :)

    Breaking the message here....

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to BARRY MARTIN on Thu Apr 23 11:22:00 2020
    Barry,

    Snowing out currently -- morning of April 17th -- warmer, or at least BM>here on the ground it is, so denser and more water content than the BM>fluffy kind of snow. That'll add another calculation for water content BM>and weight!
    In some areas, winter won't go away.

    But I don't live in Alaska!

    Anarctica would've been better.


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    The $64 million question.

    Can I 'phone a friend'?

    Phone sex...when you kiss the handset. :P

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Fri Apr 24 12:30:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    There has been some minor flooding already -- a trail or street right
    next to the River might have had water on it -- and they are
    anticipating need-to-use-the-floodwalls some time in the near future.
    I haven't heard the estimated arrival date nor how much.
    Do they have floodwalls at hand, or are they all on order for this
    year still...?
    As I said some time last week the Mississippi River was two feet over flood stage; they are putting up some of the temporary barriers, so
    must be stored locally and I'd assume more on order. The barriers are
    a big plastic box filled with sand via bulldozer and the like. Also assume the barriers are a one-time use as removing the sand would
    damage. Presume the sand is filtered and reused.
    I suppose no way of knowing when the ones now being placed
    arrived.... I wonder if they'd be stored, sand and all, though,
    and the sand would just dry out to be ready for the next flood...
    or maybe there's a way to remove the sand without damaging the
    boxes....

    I'm thinking not, though also don't recall hearing one way or another. Looking on the company's wesite https://www.hesco.com/products/flood-barriers/ and so far nothing about reusing the HESCO barriers, but hover the mouse over the picture of the Jackbox andpops up "lightweight, recyclable and highly flexible flood barrier". From that picture it sort of reminds me of a row of the paper lawnbags except is plastic, so a lot smaller than the HESCO barriers.

    Ah! Just learned something: the product is actually called "Floodline"
    but I've never heard it called that. ..They even go back and forth:

    FLOODLINE is ideal for emergency flood response, offering significant
    advantages over traditional sandbags, in terms of cost, time and labor
    requirement for installation.

    A wall using HESCO earth-filled barrier can be filled by two people and
    a standard front-end loader in just 20 minutes. The equivalent sized
    wall of 1,500 sandbags can take 10 people up to 7 hours to fill and
    build.

    (FWIW the size is 48" H, 36" W, 15" D.) Ah! There are two styles: one
    is 'Recoverable'.... Go to details and need to put in contact
    information so will end the search there.



    Rock Island (IL) (across the River) is a little more elevated above
    the River and so a lot less area to protect. They have some some floodgates which are raised during flooding. Other towns (seems mostly downriver from here) have levees for protection.
    Each locality develops their own ways of dealing with the
    inevitable flooding... ;)

    Right. Here in Bettendorf we essentially do nothing. We're barely five
    miles from Downtown Davenport. Slight bit of elevation and the only area
    that gets wet is an area about the size of a house lot called Martha's
    Point (no, no idea who Martha is). They do put up a short flood wall, so without apparently more flooding would occur.



    Another item is creation of a 'destination park' (??) along the
    riverfront. To be six or so blocks long with play and game areas.
    <snip>
    Have you had a chance to explore it yet....?
    No. Autumn hasn't wanted to go wandering and if she did not sure we'd
    take her where the desire to touch/climb/etc. would be extremely
    tempting with the COVID-19 out there. Plus if it has been designated
    as a park even though in-progess it would be closed and off-limits
    (city regulation, so far not state).
    That's true, with all the restrictions, even if she did want to go
    wandering, there wouldn't be as many legal places to go... Probably
    better to get the outdoors exposure closer to home, like the back
    yard... And maybe they aren't able to do much with the park creation
    itself at this point....
    Plus for the past week or so the parks are closed. Iowa is one of the
    few states without the stay-in-home order; seems like we went from the opposite direction and closed everything down so no place to go so may
    as well stay home!
    As far as I know our parks weren't ever closed.... but not many
    are going there... everything else was closed down except for
    essential business, though, so still not really any place to go,
    so the stay home order is almost superfluous...

    <chuckle> Uh-huh! No where to go! Heard on the news this morning
    Governor Pritzker (Illinois) is planning to sign an order to essentially
    extend the shutdown until May 30th. Appears this one will allow some businesses to re-open but require social distancing. The news blurb
    didn't do in to details; maybe none available yet. Nothing mentioned on
    what Governor Reynolds (Iowa) is going to do; I'd expect something
    similar.


    As for Autumn, she hasn't really wanted to go outside when here; the weather hasn't been all that nice -- cold and windy. Good news: she
    has passed whatever test it is to get into First Grade. :) Needed
    100% in the test, she had been missing one point the past several times (so 98%) -- from what we were told more from boredom or "that's enough
    of that for now". Plus sometimes she likes to screw around to see if we're paying attention, so maybe the same with the test.
    She reminds me of other kids that are too smart for their own
    good sometimes.... :) Good that she passed that test, though...
    :)

    Yes on the smart-off stuff. LIS she likes to give the wrong answer to
    see if we're paying attention, or maybe the artist in her kicks in and
    she sees/interprets the pattern outside of the rules.


    we've been dodging most of the storms that go on into the New England
    states and cause havoc.... we've been getting a milder form, possibly
    the edge of the system as it passes by.... I don't think we've even
    had any thunderstorms yet this year, or if we did, they were at night
    and I managed to sleep through them...
    My Mother said she got about a foot of snow. Fast-forward to now (!), here we've supposed to have been getting 'accumulating snow' the past several nights - so far nothing. This morning's forecast is for
    overnight snow flurries - we'll see!
    We've only had snow in dribs and drabs, too... hardly
    accumulating... but my sister, a little south of here was getting
    it a couple inches at a time... it is, though, colder than it
    should be this time of year...

    All that makes the weather interesting: one usually assumes north is
    colder so that's where the snow would be. Probably a lot of terrain
    factoring in: funneling in rain or snow in one area and leaving another
    dry.


    And right now there's supposedly a really nasty system with high winds
    and all coming through our area, and once again, it doesn't seem to be
    all that bad right here where we are.... it may well be worse south or
    north of us, more likely south, though, as I think it's part of the
    storm system that is spawning the tornadoes and such in the Mid-
    Atlantic... We've got the high wind warning until 2AM tonight...
    We've had some pretty interesting winds and gusts the last week --
    20-30 MPH sustained and ~50 MPH gusts. Supposed to be ~40 MPH gusts mid-afternoon.
    We keep getting the 20-30 MPH winds here, with gusts above that,
    but hasn't been as bad as predicted, and certainly hasn't been
    causing much if any damage... probably the previous winds this
    year brought down anything that was loose already....

    We didn't get as stormy weather as predicted -- maybe 30 MPH instead of
    the 40. Did pick up more snapped off twigs, etc. Trees still can
    supply a lot more!


    the Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches
    have lost bark, so dead. Some were dead when I trimmed in the Fall and
    didn't get to cutting out, so might not be too many newly-dead, or
    even any. A slightly later project to clean that out. Last couple of
    days we're clearing leaves from around the perennials and shrubs. So
    far will be too cold this morning (30ø) and supposed to rain later.
    This time of year things are just too changeable... we've had a couple
    of really warm days for April, last few and today... upper 50s and
    today upper 60s... but before that it was in the 40s and below, and
    coming up will be more cool weather... and actually not all that rainy
    for an April, though there's been enough of that, too... ;) Hopefully
    you'll get a good day for dealing with that Burning Bush plant... and
    hopefully some will have survived... :)
    Yes -- I'm not planning on trimming out anything unless it looks definitely dead, as in lack of bark. Weather lately hasn't been nice enough to do much outside.
    Similar here... :)

    Raining/drizzling this morning. I have the south window somewhat open
    up here in the Computer Room to get some fresh air; was going to open
    the window on the north end some: rain hitting the screen! Think I'll
    leave that one closed for now.

    Trees and shrubs are budding but seems slower: doesn't seem to be much difference since last weekend.


    Breaking the message here....

    It's only at 179 lines!

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Fri Apr 24 12:30:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    Snowing out currently -- morning of April 17th -- warmer, or at least BM>here on the ground it is, so denser and more water content than the BM>fluffy kind of snow. That'll add another calculation for water content BM>and weight!
    In some areas, winter won't go away.
    But I don't live in Alaska!
    Anarctica would've been better.

    But Antarctica's in the South -- how could it be colder? <g>



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat May 2 19:25:40 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 24-Apr-2020 12:30 <=-

    As I said some time last week the Mississippi River was two feet over
    flood stage; they are putting up some of the temporary barriers, so
    must be stored locally and I'd assume more on order. The barriers are
    a big plastic box filled with sand via bulldozer and the like. Also
    assume the barriers are a one-time use as removing the sand would
    damage. Presume the sand is filtered and reused.
    I suppose no way of knowing when the ones now being placed arrived....
    I wonder if they'd be stored, sand and all, though, and the sand would
    just dry out to be ready for the next flood... or maybe there's a way
    to remove the sand without damaging the boxes....
    I'm thinking not, though also don't recall hearing one way or another.

    Probably most people don't pay any attention to details like that,
    unless they are actually involved in the doing of it, so not so likely
    any announcements about that sort of thing... Just curious sorts like
    us tend to wonder about it... ;)

    Looking on the company's website https://www.hesco.com/products/flood-barriers/ and so far nothing
    about reusing the HESCO barriers, but hover the mouse over the picture
    of the Jackbox and pops up "lightweight, recyclable and highly flexible flood barrier". From that picture it sort of reminds me of a row of
    the paper lawnbags except is plastic, so a lot smaller than the HESCO barriers.
    Ah! Just learned something: the product is actually called "Floodline"
    but I've never heard it called that. ..They even go back and forth: FLOODLINE is ideal for emergency flood response, offering
    significant advantages over traditional sandbags, in terms of cost,
    time and labor requirement for installation.
    A wall using HESCO earth-filled barrier can be filled by two people
    and a standard front-end loader in just 20 minutes. The equivalent
    sized wall of 1,500 sandbags can take 10 people up to 7 hours to fill
    and build.
    (FWIW the size is 48" H, 36" W, 15" D.) Ah! There are two styles: one
    is 'Recoverable'.... Go to details and need to put in contact information so will end the search there.

    Looks like the company name is HESCO, and the various products have
    different names but usually end up being refered to by the company name
    instead of the product name... Jackbox sounds like the size that an
    individual might be using to protect his yard and house from a flooding
    stream, rather than what a community would put up along the raging river
    to protect a wider area.... ;)

    Rock Island (IL) (across the River) is a little more elevated above
    the River and so a lot less area to protect. They have some some
    floodgates which are raised during flooding. Other towns (seems mostly
    downriver from here) have levees for protection.
    Each locality develops their own ways of dealing with the inevitable
    flooding... ;)
    Right. Here in Bettendorf we essentially do nothing. We're barely
    five miles from Downtown Davenport. Slight bit of elevation and the
    only area that gets wet is an area about the size of a house lot called Martha's Point (no, no idea who Martha is). They do put up a short
    flood wall, so without apparently more flooding would occur.

    That bit of elevation does indeed make a major difference... :)

    Plus for the past week or so the parks are closed. Iowa is one of the
    few states without the stay-in-home order; seems like we went from the
    opposite direction and closed everything down so no place to go so may
    as well stay home!
    As far as I know our parks weren't ever closed.... but not many are
    going there... everything else was closed down except for essential
    business, though, so still not really any place to go, so the stay
    home order is almost superfluous...
    <chuckle> Uh-huh! No where to go! Heard on the news this morning Governor Pritzker (Illinois) is planning to sign an order to
    essentially extend the shutdown until May 30th. Appears this one will allow some businesses to re-open but require social distancing. The
    news blurb didn't go into details; maybe none available yet. Nothing mentioned on what Governor Reynolds (Iowa) is going to do; I'd expect something similar.

    Sounds a lot like what I'm hearing various states are doing... :)

    As for Autumn, she hasn't really wanted to go outside when here; the
    weather hasn't been all that nice -- cold and windy. Good news: she
    has passed whatever test it is to get into First Grade. :) Needed
    100% in the test, she had been missing one point the past several times
    (so 98%) -- from what we were told more from boredom or "that's enough
    of that for now". Plus sometimes she likes to screw around to see if
    we're paying attention, so maybe the same with the test.
    She reminds me of other kids that are too smart for their own good
    sometimes.... :) Good that she passed that test, though... :)
    Yes on the smart-off stuff. LIS she likes to give the wrong answer to
    see if we're paying attention, or maybe the artist in her kicks in and
    she sees/interprets the pattern outside of the rules.

    One thing she'll need to learn soon is when to use that strength, and
    when to follow the rules.... ;)

    My Mother said she got about a foot of snow. Fast-forward to now (!),
    here we've supposed to have been getting 'accumulating snow' the past
    several nights - so far nothing. This morning's forecast is for
    overnight snow flurries - we'll see!
    We've only had snow in dribs and drabs, too... hardly accumulating...
    but my sister, a little south of here was getting it a couple inches
    at a time... it is, though, colder than it should be this time of
    year...
    All that makes the weather interesting: one usually assumes north is colder so that's where the snow would be. Probably a lot of terrain factoring in: funneling in rain or snow in one area and leaving
    another dry.

    Where she is, it is a higher elevation than here in town... and she gets
    lake effect storms off the end of Lake Erie from the Buffalo region that
    we miss being further north... we only get stuff off Lake Ontario...

    the Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches
    have lost bark, so dead. Some were dead when I trimmed in the Fall and
    didn't get to cutting out, so might not be too many newly-dead, or
    even any. A slightly later project to clean that out. Last couple of
    days we're clearing leaves from around the perennials and shrubs. So
    far will be too cold this morning (30ø) and supposed to rain later.
    This time of year things are just too changeable... we've had a couple
    of really warm days for April, last few and today... upper 50s and
    today upper 60s... but before that it was in the 40s and below, and
    coming up will be more cool weather... and actually not all that rainy
    for an April, though there's been enough of that, too... ;) Hopefully
    you'll get a good day for dealing with that Burning Bush plant... and
    hopefully some will have survived... :)
    Yes -- I'm not planning on trimming out anything unless it looks
    definitely dead, as in lack of bark. Weather lately hasn't been nice
    enough to do much outside.
    Similar here... :)
    Raining/drizzling this morning. I have the south window somewhat open
    up here in the Computer Room to get some fresh air; was going to open
    the window on the north end some: rain hitting the screen! Think I'll leave that one closed for now.

    Yeah... I'd leave that one closed, too... ;)

    Trees and shrubs are budding but seems slower: doesn't seem to be much difference since last weekend.

    Things are looking positively springlike here now... yesterday saw my
    first dandelions... bright little yellow dots in my neighbor's lawn... ;)

    Breaking the message here....
    It's only at 179 lines!

    But that broke it pretty evenly into half.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun May 3 09:10:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    As I said some time last week the Mississippi River was two feet over
    flood stage; they are putting up some of the temporary barriers, so
    must be stored locally and I'd assume more on order. The barriers are
    a big plastic box filled with sand via bulldozer and the like. Also
    assume the barriers are a one-time use as removing the sand would
    damage. Presume the sand is filtered and reused.
    I suppose no way of knowing when the ones now being placed arrived....
    I wonder if they'd be stored, sand and all, though, and the sand would
    just dry out to be ready for the next flood... or maybe there's a way
    to remove the sand without damaging the boxes....
    I'm thinking not, though also don't recall hearing one way or another.
    Probably most people don't pay any attention to details like
    that, unless they are actually involved in the doing of it, so
    not so likely any announcements about that sort of thing... Just
    curious sorts like us tend to wonder about it... ;)

    More than likely. Similar for a lot of things: just happens. Up until
    a few messages ago I didn't know the size of a HESCO barrier: was just a
    big box filled with sand by a bulldozer and a lot more efficient than sandbags.


    Looking on the company's website https://www.hesco.com/products/flood-barriers/ and so far nothing
    about reusing the HESCO barriers, but hover the mouse over the picture
    of the Jackbox and pops up "lightweight, recyclable and highly flexible flood barrier". From that picture it sort of reminds me of a row of
    the paper lawnbags except is plastic, so a lot smaller than the HESCO barriers.
    Ah! Just learned something: the product is actually called "Floodline"
    but I've never heard it called that. ..They even go back and forth: FLOODLINE is ideal for emergency flood response, offering
    significant advantages over traditional sandbags, in terms of cost,
    time and labor requirement for installation.
    A wall using HESCO earth-filled barrier can be filled by two people
    and a standard front-end loader in just 20 minutes. The equivalent
    sized wall of 1,500 sandbags can take 10 people up to 7 hours to fill
    and build.
    (FWIW the size is 48" H, 36" W, 15" D.) Ah! There are two styles: one
    is 'Recoverable'.... Go to details and need to put in contact information so will end the search there.
    Looks like the company name is HESCO, and the various products
    have different names but usually end up being refered to by the
    company name instead of the product name... Jackbox sounds like
    the size that an individual might be using to protect his yard
    and house from a flooding stream, rather than what a community
    would put up along the raging river to protect a wider area.... ;)

    The Jackbox is about half the size of the Floodline, so possible
    targeted to the consumer buyer, though a testimonal story is about a one-in-seventy-five year flood in England.



    Rock Island (IL) (across the River) is a little more elevated above
    the River and so a lot less area to protect. They have some some
    floodgates which are raised during flooding. Other towns (seems mostly
    downriver from here) have levees for protection.
    Each locality develops their own ways of dealing with the inevitable
    flooding... ;)
    Right. Here in Bettendorf we essentially do nothing. We're barely
    five miles from Downtown Davenport. Slight bit of elevation and the
    only area that gets wet is an area about the size of a house lot called Martha's Point (no, no idea who Martha is). They do put up a short
    flood wall, so without apparently more flooding would occur.
    That bit of elevation does indeed make a major difference... :)

    It does! :)


    Plus for the past week or so the parks are closed. Iowa is one of the
    few states without the stay-in-home order; seems like we went from the
    opposite direction and closed everything down so no place to go so may
    as well stay home!
    As far as I know our parks weren't ever closed.... but not many are
    going there... everything else was closed down except for essential
    business, though, so still not really any place to go, so the stay
    home order is almost superfluous...
    <chuckle> Uh-huh! No where to go! Heard on the news this morning Governor Pritzker (Illinois) is planning to sign an order to
    essentially extend the shutdown until May 30th. Appears this one will allow some businesses to re-open but require social distancing. The
    news blurb didn't go into details; maybe none available yet. Nothing mentioned on what Governor Reynolds (Iowa) is going to do; I'd expect something similar.
    Sounds a lot like what I'm hearing various states are doing... :)

    Bit of a mail lag but Iowa has re-opened 77 of the 99 counties on a
    restricted bases. We're not one of them but we also were among the last
    if not the last country to have a COVID-19 case so make sense to not be
    able to re-open yet. (Surrounding countries are also part of the 22;
    they too were among the last to report cases.)


    As for Autumn, she hasn't really wanted to go outside when here; the
    weather hasn't been all that nice -- cold and windy. Good news: she
    has passed whatever test it is to get into First Grade. :) Needed
    100% in the test, she had been missing one point the past several times
    (so 98%) -- from what we were told more from boredom or "that's enough
    of that for now". Plus sometimes she likes to screw around to see if
    we're paying attention, so maybe the same with the test.
    She reminds me of other kids that are too smart for their own good
    sometimes.... :) Good that she passed that test, though... :)
    Yes on the smart-off stuff. LIS she likes to give the wrong answer to
    see if we're paying attention, or maybe the artist in her kicks in and
    she sees/interprets the pattern outside of the rules.
    One thing she'll need to learn soon is when to use that strength,
    and when to follow the rules.... ;)

    I'm quite sure she will. I think what will help that is to be back in
    school with the other kids and teachers: initially the other people
    won't know her joking style so possibly unintended reaction which will temper/alter Autumn.


    My Mother said she got about a foot of snow. Fast-forward to now (!),
    here we've supposed to have been getting 'accumulating snow' the past
    several nights - so far nothing. This morning's forecast is for
    overnight snow flurries - we'll see!
    We've only had snow in dribs and drabs, too... hardly accumulating...
    but my sister, a little south of here was getting it a couple inches
    at a time... it is, though, colder than it should be this time of
    year...
    All that makes the weather interesting: one usually assumes north is colder so that's where the snow would be. Probably a lot of terrain factoring in: funneling in rain or snow in one area and leaving
    another dry.
    Where she is, it is a higher elevation than here in town... and
    she gets lake effect storms off the end of Lake Erie from the
    Buffalo region that we miss being further north... we only get
    stuff off Lake Ontario...

    Sometimes that's enough!


    the Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches <snip>
    Haven't done anything directly with the Burning Bush but looks to be
    dead. Not sure what the other shrub/bush is but the leaves look to be different from what I remember the Burning Bush having, but could be
    because has recently budded and not fully leafed out. Need to do other
    yard work before cutting out the dead branches.


    Raining/drizzling this morning. I have the south window somewhat open
    up here in the Computer Room to get some fresh air; was going to open
    the window on the north end some: rain hitting the screen! Think I'll leave that one closed for now.
    Yeah... I'd leave that one closed, too... ;)

    OK, good we agree! <g> Dry outside and cooler so currently have both
    windows open. Supposed to be in the lower 70's this afternoon.



    Trees and shrubs are budding but seems slower: doesn't seem to be much difference since last weekend.
    Things are looking positively springlike here now... yesterday
    saw my first dandelions... bright little yellow dots in my
    neighbor's lawn... ;)

    Definite starting-to-green-up out there now.


    Breaking the message here....
    It's only at 179 lines!
    But that broke it pretty evenly into half.... :)

    So about 50 lines per printed page, that would be be a little over 3«
    pages....

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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat May 9 00:28:24 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 03-May-2020 09:10 <=-

    I suppose no way of knowing when the ones now being placed arrived....
    I wonder if they'd be stored, sand and all, though, and the sand would
    just dry out to be ready for the next flood... or maybe there's a way
    to remove the sand without damaging the boxes....
    I'm thinking not, though also don't recall hearing one way or another.
    Probably most people don't pay any attention to details like that,
    unless they are actually involved in the doing of it, so not so likely
    any announcements about that sort of thing... Just curious sorts like
    us tend to wonder about it... ;)
    More than likely. Similar for a lot of things: just happens. Up
    until a few messages ago I didn't know the size of a HESCO barrier: was just a big box filled with sand by a bulldozer and a lot more efficient than sandbags.

    And generally that would be sufficient to know... until we start getting curious... ;)

    Ah! Just learned something: the product is actually called "Floodline"
    but I've never heard it called that. ..They even go back and forth:
    FLOODLINE is ideal for emergency flood response, offering
    significant advantages over traditional sandbags, in terms of cost,
    time and labor requirement for installation.
    A wall using HESCO earth-filled barrier can be filled by two people
    and a standard front-end loader in just 20 minutes. The equivalent
    sized wall of 1,500 sandbags can take 10 people up to 7 hours to fill
    and build.
    (FWIW the size is 48" H, 36" W, 15" D.) Ah! There are two styles: one
    is 'Recoverable'.... Go to details and need to put in contact
    information so will end the search there.
    Looks like the company name is HESCO, and the various products have
    different names but usually end up being refered to by the company
    name instead of the product name... Jackbox sounds like the size that
    an individual might be using to protect his yard and house from a
    flooding stream, rather than what a community would put up along the
    raging river to protect a wider area.... ;)
    The Jackbox is about half the size of the Floodline, so possible
    targeted to the consumer buyer, though a testimonal story is about a one-in-seventy-five year flood in England.

    Ok, in that case, something more suited to smaller rivers than the
    mighty Mississippi... ;) I also noticed this time through that you
    found one version of the Floodline called Recoverable... perhaps that's
    what Davenport got, even....?

    Rock Island (IL) (across the River) is a little more elevated above
    the River and so a lot less area to protect. They have some some
    floodgates which are raised during flooding. Other towns (seems mostly
    downriver from here) have levees for protection.
    Each locality develops their own ways of dealing with the inevitable
    flooding... ;)
    Right. Here in Bettendorf we essentially do nothing. We're barely
    five miles from Downtown Davenport. Slight bit of elevation and the
    only area that gets wet is an area about the size of a house lot called
    Martha's Point (no, no idea who Martha is). They do put up a short
    flood wall, so without apparently more flooding would occur.
    That bit of elevation does indeed make a major difference... :)
    It does! :)

    We aren't all that far from the Genesee River, but it's both a lot
    smaller than the Mississippi and, as it goes through the city, it's
    mostly in various depths of a ravine... And our neighborhood is
    somewhat elevated as well, and our house is on a slight elevation of our
    street as well... No worries here... ;)

    Plus for the past week or so the parks are closed. Iowa is one of the
    few states without the stay-in-home order; seems like we went from the
    opposite direction and closed everything down so no place to go so may
    as well stay home!
    As far as I know our parks weren't ever closed.... but not many are
    going there... everything else was closed down except for essential
    business, though, so still not really any place to go, so the stay
    home order is almost superfluous...
    <chuckle> Uh-huh! No where to go! Heard on the news this morning
    Governor Pritzker (Illinois) is planning to sign an order to
    essentially extend the shutdown until May 30th. Appears this one will
    allow some businesses to re-open but require social distancing. The
    news blurb didn't go into details; maybe none available yet. Nothing
    mentioned on what Governor Reynolds (Iowa) is going to do; I'd expect
    something similar.
    Sounds a lot like what I'm hearing various states are doing... :)
    Bit of a mail lag but Iowa has re-opened 77 of the 99 counties on a restricted basis. We're not one of them but we also were among the
    last if not the last country to have a COVID-19 case so make sense to
    not be able to re-open yet. (Surrounding countries are also part of
    the 22; they too were among the last to report cases.)

    Makes sense... are the re-opening counties doing ok...?

    As far as I know, nothing's really been reopened here yet... still on
    PAUSE until at least May 15... and I guess he's looking at the stats for various regions to determing who's "ready" to reopen....

    She reminds me of other kids that are too smart for their own good
    sometimes.... :) Good that she passed that test, though... :)
    Yes on the smart-off stuff. LIS she likes to give the wrong answer to
    see if we're paying attention, or maybe the artist in her kicks in and
    she sees/interprets the pattern outside of the rules.
    One thing she'll need to learn soon is when to use that strength, and
    when to follow the rules.... ;)
    I'm quite sure she will. I think what will help that is to be back in school with the other kids and teachers: initially the other people
    won't know her joking style so possibly unintended reaction which will temper/alter Autumn.

    Time will tell.... :)

    We've only had snow in dribs and drabs, too... hardly accumulating...
    but my sister, a little south of here was getting it a couple inches
    at a time... it is, though, colder than it should be this time of
    year...
    All that makes the weather interesting: one usually assumes north is
    colder so that's where the snow would be. Probably a lot of terrain
    factoring in: funneling in rain or snow in one area and leaving
    another dry.
    Where she is, it is a higher elevation than here in town... and she
    gets lake effect storms off the end of Lake Erie from the Buffalo
    region that we miss being further north... we only get stuff off Lake
    Ontario...
    Sometimes that's enough!

    This year's not been so bad...

    the Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches
    <snip>
    Haven't done anything directly with the Burning Bush but looks to be
    dead. Not sure what the other shrub/bush is but the leaves look to be
    different from what I remember the Burning Bush having, but could be
    because has recently budded and not fully leafed out. Need to do
    other yard work before cutting out the dead branches.

    You'll get to it soon enough... ;)

    Trees and shrubs are budding but seems slower: doesn't seem to be much
    difference since last weekend.
    Things are looking positively springlike here now... yesterday saw my
    first dandelions...bright little yellow dots in my neighbor's lawn... ;)
    Definite starting-to-green-up out there now.

    Yup... :)

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sat May 9 10:32:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    I suppose no way of knowing when the ones now being placed arrived....
    I wonder if they'd be stored, sand and all, though, and the sand would
    just dry out to be ready for the next flood... or maybe there's a way
    to remove the sand without damaging the boxes....
    I'm thinking not, though also don't recall hearing one way or another.
    Probably most people don't pay any attention to details like that,
    unless they are actually involved in the doing of it, so not so likely
    any announcements about that sort of thing... Just curious sorts like
    us tend to wonder about it... ;)
    More than likely. Similar for a lot of things: just happens. Up
    until a few messages ago I didn't know the size of a HESCO barrier: was just a big box filled with sand by a bulldozer and a lot more efficient than sandbags.
    And generally that would be sufficient to know... until we start
    getting curious... ;)

    True: Black Box Concepts getting smaller and smaller.



    Ah! Just learned something: the product is actually called "Floodline"
    but I've never heard it called that. ..They even go back and forth:
    FLOODLINE is ideal for emergency flood response, offering
    significant advantages over traditional sandbags, in terms of cost,
    time and labor requirement for installation.
    A wall using HESCO earth-filled barrier can be filled by two people
    and a standard front-end loader in just 20 minutes. The equivalent
    sized wall of 1,500 sandbags can take 10 people up to 7 hours to fill
    and build.
    (FWIW the size is 48" H, 36" W, 15" D.) Ah! There are two styles: one
    is 'Recoverable'.... Go to details and need to put in contact
    information so will end the search there.
    Looks like the company name is HESCO, and the various products have
    different names but usually end up being refered to by the company
    name instead of the product name... Jackbox sounds like the size that
    an individual might be using to protect his yard and house from a
    flooding stream, rather than what a community would put up along the
    raging river to protect a wider area.... ;)
    The Jackbox is about half the size of the Floodline, so possible
    targeted to the consumer buyer, though a testimonal story is about a one-in-seventy-five year flood in England.
    Ok, in that case, something more suited to smaller rivers than
    the mighty Mississippi... ;) I also noticed this time through
    that you found one version of the Floodline called Recoverable...
    perhaps that's what Davenport got, even....?

    Possible; I haven't seen or heard anything to indicate one way or the
    other - they just magically appear. Have seen news coverage of the
    devices being filled with sand and later "will be removed" but nothing
    to indicate anything more - including what is done with the sand
    fill.


    five miles from Downtown Davenport. Slight bit of elevation and the
    only area that gets wet is an area about the size of a house lot called
    Martha's Point (no, no idea who Martha is). They do put up a short
    flood wall, so without apparently more flooding would occur.
    That bit of elevation does indeed make a major difference... :)
    It does! :)
    We aren't all that far from the Genesee River, but it's both a
    lot smaller than the Mississippi and, as it goes through the
    city, it's mostly in various depths of a ravine... And our
    neighborhood is somewhat elevated as well, and our house is on a
    slight elevation of our street as well... No worries here... ;)

    That's good!



    Plus for the past week or so the parks are closed. Iowa is one of the
    few states without the stay-in-home order; seems like we went from the
    opposite direction and closed everything down so no place to go so may
    as well stay home!
    As far as I know our parks weren't ever closed.... but not many are
    going there... everything else was closed down except for essential
    business, though, so still not really any place to go, so the stay
    home order is almost superfluous...
    <chuckle> Uh-huh! No where to go! Heard on the news this morning
    Governor Pritzker (Illinois) is planning to sign an order to
    essentially extend the shutdown until May 30th. Appears this one will
    allow some businesses to re-open but require social distancing. The
    news blurb didn't go into details; maybe none available yet. Nothing
    mentioned on what Governor Reynolds (Iowa) is going to do; I'd expect
    something similar.
    Sounds a lot like what I'm hearing various states are doing... :)
    Bit of a mail lag but Iowa has re-opened 77 of the 99 counties on a restricted basis. We're not one of them but we also were among the
    last if not the last country to have a COVID-19 case so make sense to
    not be able to re-open yet. (Surrounding countries are also part of
    the 22; they too were among the last to report cases.)
    Makes sense... are the re-opening counties doing ok...?

    I haven't heard any negatives but might be a little too early
    considering incubation period. The medical director for Rock Island
    County (IL) - across the River from us - is concerned with reopening too
    soon in both Iowa and Illinois, causing a resurgence. Personally I
    agree with him, as do a lot of people, though I can see the need to
    reopen businesses to get people their paychecks.



    As far as I know, nothing's really been reopened here yet...
    still on PAUSE until at least May 15... and I guess he's looking
    at the stats for various regions to determing who's "ready" to
    reopen....

    IMO a smart move, though probably unpopular in general. People want to
    get back to the regular lives, just some are impatient to do so, IMO
    risking themselves and others who are waiting.


    She reminds me of other kids that are too smart for their own good
    sometimes.... :) Good that she passed that test, though... :)
    Yes on the smart-off stuff. LIS she likes to give the wrong answer to
    see if we're paying attention, or maybe the artist in her kicks in and
    she sees/interprets the pattern outside of the rules.
    One thing she'll need to learn soon is when to use that strength, and
    when to follow the rules.... ;)
    I'm quite sure she will. I think what will help that is to be back in school with the other kids and teachers: initially the other people
    won't know her joking style so possibly unintended reaction which will temper/alter Autumn.
    Time will tell.... :)

    <chuckle> True!



    We've only had snow in dribs and drabs, too... hardly accumulating...
    but my sister, a little south of here was getting it a couple inches
    at a time... it is, though, colder than it should be this time of
    year...
    All that makes the weather interesting: one usually assumes north is
    colder so that's where the snow would be. Probably a lot of terrain
    factoring in: funneling in rain or snow in one area and leaving
    another dry.
    Where she is, it is a higher elevation than here in town... and she
    gets lake effect storms off the end of Lake Erie from the Buffalo
    region that we miss being further north... we only get stuff off Lake
    Ontario...
    Sometimes that's enough!
    This year's not been so bad...

    No snow but did freeze this morning (May 9th - Saturday before Mother's
    Day): 29ø. Looking out looks nice and inviting: sun is shining, lightly
    hazy blue sky, trees sre greening with their buds and starting to leaf
    out, grass is green - no frost. Looks very comfrotable!


    the Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches
    <snip>
    Haven't done anything directly with the Burning Bush but looks to be
    dead. Not sure what the other shrub/bush is but the leaves look to be
    different from what I remember the Burning Bush having, but could be
    because has recently budded and not fully leafed out. Need to do
    other yard work before cutting out the dead branches.
    You'll get to it soon enough... ;)

    Yup. Was doing some yard cleanup yesterday and with it greening up
    doesn't look as bad. Still needs to be done of course. But First!



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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Sat May 16 18:27:22 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 09-May-2020 08:32 <=-

    Probably most people don't pay any attention to details like that,
    unless they are actually involved in the doing of it, so not so likely
    any announcements about that sort of thing... Just curious sorts like
    us tend to wonder about it... ;)
    More than likely. Similar for a lot of things: just happens. Up
    until a few messages ago I didn't know the size of a HESCO barrier: was
    just a big box filled with sand by a bulldozer and a lot more efficient
    than sandbags.
    And generally that would be sufficient to know... until we start
    getting curious... ;)
    True: Black Box Concepts getting smaller and smaller.

    To some extent... ;)

    Ah! Just learned something: the product is actually called "Floodline"
    but I've never heard it called that. ..They even go back and forth:
    FLOODLINE is ideal for emergency flood response, offering
    significant advantages over traditional sandbags, in terms of cost,
    time and labor requirement for installation.
    A wall using HESCO earth-filled barrier can be filled by two people
    and a standard front-end loader in just 20 minutes. The equivalent
    sized wall of 1,500 sandbags can take 10 people up to 7 hours to fill
    and build.
    (FWIW the size is 48" H, 36" W, 15" D.) Ah! There are two styles: one
    is 'Recoverable'.... Go to details and need to put in contact
    information so will end the search there.
    Looks like the company name is HESCO, and the various products have
    different names but usually end up being refered to by the company
    name instead of the product name... Jackbox sounds like the size that
    an individual might be using to protect his yard and house from a
    flooding stream, rather than what a community would put up along the
    raging river to protect a wider area.... ;)
    The Jackbox is about half the size of the Floodline, so possible
    targeted to the consumer buyer, though a testimonal story is about a
    one-in-seventy-five year flood in England.
    Ok, in that case, something more suited to smaller rivers than they
    mighty Mississippi... ;) I also noticed this time through that you
    found one version of the Floodline called Recoverable... perhaps
    that's what Davenport got, even....?
    Possible; I haven't seen or heard anything to indicate one way or the other - they just magically appear. Have seen news coverage of the devices being filled with sand and later "will be removed" but nothing
    to indicate anything more - including what is done with the sand fill.

    They probably figure that people aren't interested in the details...
    and, in most cases, they probably are right... ;) Now, if someone
    should raise the question in a budget hearing as to which is more cost effective, perhaps some further details would emerge... ;)

    five miles from Downtown Davenport. Slight bit of elevation and the
    only area that gets wet is an area about the size of a house lot called
    Martha's Point (no, no idea who Martha is). They do put up a short
    flood wall, so without apparently more flooding would occur.
    That bit of elevation does indeed make a major difference... :)
    It does! :)
    We aren't all that far from the Genesee River, but it's both a lot
    smaller than the Mississippi and, as it goes through the city, it's
    mostly in various depths of a ravine... And our neighborhood is
    somewhat elevated as well, and our house is on a slight elevation of
    our street as well... No worries here... ;)
    That's good!

    Most area flooding is either at the lakeshore or low-lying areas near
    some of the creeks, and mostly a result of high winds and/or heavy
    rain...

    Plus for the past week or so the parks are closed. Iowa is one of the
    few states without the stay-in-home order; seems like we went from the
    opposite direction and closed everything down so no place to go so may
    as well stay home!
    As far as I know our parks weren't ever closed.... but not many are
    going there... everything else was closed down except for essential
    business, though, so still not really any place to go, so the stay
    home order is almost superfluous...
    <chuckle> Uh-huh! No where to go! Heard on the news this morning
    Governor Pritzker (Illinois) is planning to sign an order to
    essentially extend the shutdown until May 30th. Appears this one will
    allow some businesses to re-open but require social distancing. The
    news blurb didn't go into details; maybe none available yet. Nothing
    mentioned on what Governor Reynolds (Iowa) is going to do; I'd expect
    something similar.
    Sounds a lot like what I'm hearing various states are doing... :)
    Bit of a mail lag but Iowa has re-opened 77 of the 99 counties on a
    restricted basis. We're not one of them but we also were among the
    last if not the last country to have a COVID-19 case so make sense to
    not be able to re-open yet. (Surrounding countries are also part of
    the 22; they too were among the last to report cases.)
    Makes sense... are the re-opening counties doing ok...?
    I haven't heard any negatives but might be a little too early
    considering incubation period. The medical director for Rock Island County (IL) - across the River from us - is concerned with reopening
    too soon in both Iowa and Illinois, causing a resurgence. Personally I agree with him, as do a lot of people, though I can see the need to
    reopen businesses to get people their paychecks.

    A lot depends on how willing people are to still keep their distance and practice the safety measures... if there's too much crowding, things
    could easily resurge....

    As far as I know, nothing's really been reopened here yet... still on
    PAUSE until at least May 15... and I guess he's looking at the stats
    for various regions to determing who's "ready" to reopen....
    IMO a smart move, though probably unpopular in general. People want
    to get back to the regular lives, just some are impatient to do so, IMO risking themselves and others who are waiting.

    And now we are actually starting to reopen... our region met the
    criteria for phase one reopening, so the first wave of non-essential
    businesses is opening... non-essential retail is only curbside, though,
    not sure about getting shoes or clothes that way... <G> Phase two will
    let them open naturally....

    We've only had snow in dribs and drabs, too... hardly accumulating...
    but my sister, a little south of here was getting it a couple inches
    at a time... it is, though, colder than it should be this time of
    year...
    All that makes the weather interesting: one usually assumes north is
    colder so that's where the snow would be. Probably a lot of terrain
    factoring in: funneling in rain or snow in one area and leaving
    another dry.
    Where she is, it is a higher elevation than here in town... and she
    gets lake effect storms off the end of Lake Erie from the Buffalo
    region that we miss being further north... we only get stuff off Lake
    Ontario...
    Sometimes that's enough!
    This year's not been so bad...
    No snow but did freeze this morning (May 9th - Saturday before
    Mother's Day): 29ø. Looking out looks nice and inviting: sun is
    shining, lightly hazy blue sky, trees sre greening with their buds and starting to leaf out, grass is green - no frost. Looks very
    comfortable!

    As long as it warmed up some... ;)

    the Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches
    <snip>
    Haven't done anything directly with the Burning Bush but looks to be
    dead. Not sure what the other shrub/bush is but the leaves look to be
    different from what I remember the Burning Bush having, but could be
    because has recently budded and not fully leafed out. Need to do
    other yard work before cutting out the dead branches.
    You'll get to it soon enough... ;)
    Yup. Was doing some yard cleanup yesterday and with it greening up doesn't look as bad. Still needs to be done of course. But First!

    A bit at a time... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Nancy Backus on Sun May 17 09:15:00 2020

    Hi Nancy!

    Probably most people don't pay any attention to details like that,
    unless they are actually involved in the doing of it, so not so likely
    any announcements about that sort of thing... Just curious sorts like
    us tend to wonder about it... ;)
    More than likely. Similar for a lot of things: just happens. Up
    until a few messages ago I didn't know the size of a HESCO barrier: was
    just a big box filled with sand by a bulldozer and a lot more efficient
    than sandbags.
    And generally that would be sufficient to know... until we start
    getting curious... ;)
    True: Black Box Concepts getting smaller and smaller.
    To some extent... ;)

    They do get smaller: I just haven't figured out how they get all of them
    to fit in that first box! ...I thnik that's another Black Box line of discovery!!


    Possible; I haven't seen or heard anything to indicate one way or the other - they just magically appear. Have seen news coverage of the devices being filled with sand and later "will be removed" but nothing
    to indicate anything more - including what is done with the sand fill.
    They probably figure that people aren't interested in the
    details... and, in most cases, they probably are right... ;)
    Now, if someone should raise the question in a budget hearing as
    to which is more cost effective, perhaps some further details
    would emerge... ;)

    There are quite a few people interested in environmental issues around
    here would seem it would have come up. Just have to find out some day.



    five miles from Downtown Davenport. Slight bit of elevation and the
    only area that gets wet is an area about the size of a house lot called
    Martha's Point (no, no idea who Martha is). They do put up a short
    flood wall, so without apparently more flooding would occur.
    That bit of elevation does indeed make a major difference... :)
    It does! :)
    We aren't all that far from the Genesee River, but it's both a lot
    smaller than the Mississippi and, as it goes through the city, it's
    mostly in various depths of a ravine... And our neighborhood is
    somewhat elevated as well, and our house is on a slight elevation of
    our street as well... No worries here... ;)
    That's good!
    Most area flooding is either at the lakeshore or low-lying areas
    near some of the creeks, and mostly a result of high winds and/or
    heavy rain...

    We've found the Mississippi almost always floods due to rain; detail
    is almost never if just rains South of here. (Ooo! I'm in trouble
    now!!) During very high waters they will ban pleasure boats on the
    River because too dangerous (hit debris/hit by debris, and the water is flowing too rapidly) plus if travelling too fast will create waved which
    weaken sandbag walls and sometimes splash over barricades.



    Sounds a lot like what I'm hearing various states are doing... :)
    Bit of a mail lag but Iowa has re-opened 77 of the 99 counties on a
    restricted basis. We're not one of them but we also were among the
    last if not the last country to have a COVID-19 case so make sense to
    not be able to re-open yet. (Surrounding countries are also part of
    the 22; they too were among the last to report cases.)
    Makes sense... are the re-opening counties doing ok...?
    I haven't heard any negatives but might be a little too early
    considering incubation period. The medical director for Rock Island County (IL) - across the River from us - is concerned with reopening
    too soon in both Iowa and Illinois, causing a resurgence. Personally I agree with him, as do a lot of people, though I can see the need to
    reopen businesses to get people their paychecks.
    A lot depends on how willing people are to still keep their
    distance and practice the safety measures... if there's too much
    crowding, things could easily resurge....

    True: nice to be be in a crowd: amplifies the concert experience,
    camaraderie in a bar, the overall social experience, etc., but the
    downside is the easier transmission of disease -- any disease, not just COVID-19. ...Saw a news item where a restaurant re-opened and instead
    of blocking off every other booth with tape they dressed up mannequins
    and blow-up dolls and sat and posed them at the not-to-be-occupied
    tables. (Some of the blow-up ones did look a little 'suspicious' and
    spooky!) Clever idea to make the restaurant look less empty; wonder how
    may live patrons took photos/selfies with the mannequins?



    As far as I know, nothing's really been reopened here yet... still on
    PAUSE until at least May 15... and I guess he's looking at the stats
    for various regions to determing who's "ready" to reopen....
    IMO a smart move, though probably unpopular in general. People want
    to get back to the regular lives, just some are impatient to do so, IMO risking themselves and others who are waiting.

    And now we are actually starting to reopen... our region met the
    criteria for phase one reopening, so the first wave of
    non-essential businesses is opening... non-essential retail is
    only curbside, though, not sure about getting shoes or clothes
    that way... <G> Phase two will let them open naturally....

    Barber shops/salons, gyms, and another category or two could do
    restricted openings starting yesterday (May 16). Where I go for a
    haircut wasn't opening until today (Sunday), probably more for scheduling purposes and maybe the company can write off all of last week as a loss.
    Was a little surprised of the openings here as we're one of the
    twenty-two counties still highly restricted in Iowa, mainly because we
    didn't start getting cases until later.


    We've only had snow in dribs and drabs, too... hardly accumulating...
    but my sister, a little south of here was getting it a couple inches
    at a time... it is, though, colder than it should be this time of
    year...
    All that makes the weather interesting: one usually assumes north is
    colder so that's where the snow would be. Probably a lot of terrain
    factoring in: funneling in rain or snow in one area and leaving
    another dry.
    Where she is, it is a higher elevation than here in town... and she
    gets lake effect storms off the end of Lake Erie from the Buffalo
    region that we miss being further north... we only get stuff off Lake
    Ontario...
    Sometimes that's enough!
    This year's not been so bad...
    No snow but did freeze this morning (May 9th - Saturday before
    Mother's Day): 29ø. Looking out looks nice and inviting: sun is
    shining, lightly hazy blue sky, trees are greening with their buds and starting to leaf out, grass is green - no frost. Looks very
    comfortable!
    As long as it warmed up some... ;)

    Currently raining + fog: not going to be getting any outside work done
    today! Ground is saturated from the rain last week; sump pump started
    doing it's thing yesterday. Autumm investigated the drain and then ran
    off as there was some bugs she didn't like -- normally she likes bugs:
    she even put five 'roly polies' in a plastic doll bed, added a small
    cap-like thing with water for them....



    the Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches
    <snip>
    Haven't done anything directly with the Burning Bush but looks to be
    dead. Not sure what the other shrub/bush is but the leaves look to be
    different from what I remember the Burning Bush having, but could be
    because has recently budded and not fully leafed out. Need to do
    other yard work before cutting out the dead branches.
    You'll get to it soon enough... ;)
    Yup. Was doing some yard cleanup yesterday and with it greening up doesn't look as bad. Still needs to be done of course. But First!
    A bit at a time... ;)

    And today's not it's time!


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon Jun 1 17:34:18 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 17-May-2020 09:15 <=-

    Sigh.... I AM slipping.... 2 weeks behind now...!

    Just curious sorts like us tend to wonder about it... ;)
    More than likely. Similar for a lot of things: just happens. Up
    until a few messages ago I didn't know the size of a HESCO barrier: was
    just a big box filled with sand by a bulldozer and a lot more efficient
    than sandbags.
    And generally that would be sufficient to know... until we start
    getting curious... ;)
    True: Black Box Concepts getting smaller and smaller.
    To some extent... ;)
    They do get smaller: I just haven't figured out how they get all of
    them to fit in that first box! ...I think that's another Black Box
    line of discovery!!

    Probably... <G>

    Possible; I haven't seen or heard anything to indicate one way or the
    other - they just magically appear. Have seen news coverage of the
    devices being filled with sand and later "will be removed" but nothing
    to indicate anything more - including what is done with the sand fill.
    They probably figure that people aren't interested in the
    details... and, in most cases, they probably are right... ;)
    Now, if someone should raise the question in a budget hearing as to
    which is more cost effective, perhaps some further details would
    emerge... ;)
    There are quite a few people interested in environmental issues around here would seem it would have come up. Just have to find out some
    day.

    Maybe it has already but you weren't enough interested at the time...? ;)

    We aren't all that far from the Genesee River, but it's both a lot
    smaller than the Mississippi and, as it goes through the city, it's
    mostly in various depths of a ravine... And our neighborhood is
    somewhat elevated as well, and our house is on a slight elevation of
    our street as well... No worries here... ;)
    That's good!
    Most area flooding is either at the lakeshore or low-lying areas near
    some of the creeks, and mostly a result of high winds and/or heavy
    rain...
    We've found the Mississippi almost always floods due to rain; detail
    is almost never if just rains South of here. (Ooo! I'm in trouble
    now!!) During very high waters they will ban pleasure boats on the
    River because too dangerous (hit debris/hit by debris, and the water
    is flowing too rapidly) plus if travelling too fast will create waves which weaken sandbag walls and sometimes splash over barricades.

    All very sensible... :) At the shores of Lake Ontario, when the water
    is high, there's similar restrictions/prohibitions against speed, lest
    the created waves wash away even more shoreline....

    Makes sense... are the re-opening counties doing ok...?
    I haven't heard any negatives but might be a little too early
    considering incubation period. The medical director for Rock Island
    County (IL) - across the River from us - is concerned with reopening
    too soon in both Iowa and Illinois, causing a resurgence. Personally I
    agree with him, as do a lot of people, though I can see the need to
    reopen businesses to get people their paychecks.
    A lot depends on how willing people are to still keep their distance
    and practice the safety measures... if there's too much> crowding,
    things could easily resurge....
    True: nice to be be in a crowd: amplifies the concert experience, camaraderie in a bar, the overall social experience, etc., but the downside is the easier transmission of disease -- any disease, not
    just COVID-19.

    Yup, upsides and downsides to crowds... some diseases are more easily
    spread than others, of course... Even for bars and concerts, I'd just
    as soon not be in too much of a crowd, though... ;)

    ...Saw a news item where a restaurant re-opened and instead of blocking off every other booth with tape they dressed up mannequins and blow-up dolls and sat and posed them at the not-to-be-occupied tables. (Some
    of the blow-up ones did look a little 'suspicious' and spooky!) Clever idea to make the restaurant look less empty; wonder how many live
    patrons took photos/selfies with the mannequins?

    People being as they are, I'd guess it at least occurred to many of
    them... and probably some did follow through... ;)

    As far as I know, nothing's really been reopened here yet... still on
    PAUSE until at least May 15... and I guess he's looking at the stats
    for various regions to determing who's "ready" to reopen....
    IMO a smart move, though probably unpopular in general. People want
    to get back to the regular lives, just some are impatient to do so, IMO
    risking themselves and others who are waiting.
    And now we are actually starting to reopen... our region met the
    criteria for phase one reopening, so the first wave of non-essential
    businesses is opening... non-essential retail is only curbside, though,
    not sure about getting shoes or clothes that way... <G> Phase two
    will let them open naturally....
    Barber shops/salons, gyms, and another category or two could do
    restricted openings starting yesterday (May 16). Where I go for a
    haircut wasn't opening until today (Sunday), probably more for
    scheduling purposes and maybe the company can write off all of last
    week as a loss. Was a little surprised of the openings here as we're
    one of the twenty-two counties still highly restricted in Iowa, mainly because we didn't start getting cases until later.

    Sounds like your governor reconsidered about whether to open your
    counties, then... and it really does show how differently various things
    are viewed from state to state.... Those are in a much later category
    for us... barber shops etc aren't open yet, and I think we've entered
    phase 2....

    Currently raining + fog: not going to be getting any outside work done today! Ground is saturated from the rain last week; sump pump started doing it's thing yesterday. Autumm investigated the drain and then
    ran off as there was some bugs she didn't like -- normally she likes
    bugs: she even put five 'roly polies' in a plastic doll bed, added a
    small cap-like thing with water for them....

    Maybe those bugs she didn't like looked particularly ugly/scary and not
    at all cute....

    the Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches
    <snip>
    Haven't done anything directly with the Burning Bush but looks to be
    dead. Not sure what the other shrub/bush is but the leaves look to be
    different from what I remember the Burning Bush having, but could be
    because has recently budded and not fully leafed out. Need to do
    other yard work before cutting out the dead branches.
    You'll get to it soon enough... ;)
    Yup. Was doing some yard cleanup yesterday and with it greening up
    doesn't look as bad. Still needs to be done of course. But First!
    A bit at a time... ;)
    And today's not it's time!

    Has it happened yet....? ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Sun May 31 19:42:00 2020
    Barry,

    But Antarctica's in the South -- how could it be colder? <g>

    Well, I've heard that it has been in the 80s in both areas.

    Phone sex...when you kiss the handset. :P

    Oh goodie: a phone fetish!!

    Just like what Peanut (Jeff Dunham) did in describing cellphone
    sex.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Mon Jun 8 09:03:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    But Antarctica's in the South -- how could it be colder? <g>
    Well, I've heard that it has been in the 80s in both areas.

    I hope the penguins don't get a sunburn!


    Phone sex...when you kiss the handset. :P
    Oh goodie: a phone fetish!!
    Just like what Peanut (Jeff Dunham) did in describing cellphone
    sex.

    Hmm: no cords for ... -- nevermind!

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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Wed Jun 10 08:57:00 2020
    Barry,

    I hope the penguins don't get a sunburn!

    Well, apparently, it's the time of year, with the sun has set across the South Pole...as they approach winter.

    Phone sex...when you kiss the handset. :P
    Oh goodie: a phone fetish!!
    Just like what Peanut (Jeff Dunham) did in describing cellphone
    sex.

    Hmm: no cords for ... -- nevermind!

    Can you feel me now?? :P What he hates is that "you never hear the other
    end of the conversation".

    And, the "free phone" I got from T-Mobile has apparently been a defective model. I originally had it replaced with a like model, as every time you turned it on, it was in EMERGENCY CALLS ONLY mode.

    Now, the signal/connection on voice calls keeps dropping out. So, I use
    that for texting, and an "answering machine". I have a Moto phone with Verizon, which is faster, works better, and is a bit larger...but it's
    still hard to read stuff on the display.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Fri Jun 12 09:56:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    I hope the penguins don't get a sunburn!
    Well, apparently, it's the time of year, with the sun has set
    across the South Pole...as they approach winter.

    Yup: in college I had classmates from Australia, New Zealand, South
    Africa -- the concept of effectively Christmas in July never quite
    clicked with me!


    Can you feel me now?? :P What he hates is that "you never hear
    the other end of the conversation".

    Yet people get upset when someone overhears their private conversation
    when they're on speakerphone!


    And, the "free phone" I got from T-Mobile has apparently been a defective model. I originally had it replaced with a like model,
    as every time you turned it on, it was in EMERGENCY CALLS ONLY
    mode.

    Swipe the screen to enter the PIN/access?


    Now, the signal/connection on voice calls keeps dropping out.
    So, I use that for texting, and an "answering machine". I have a
    Moto phone with Verizon, which is faster, works better, and is a
    bit larger...but it's still hard to read stuff on the display.

    I think your electronics is haunted like my rain gauge!!


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  • From Daryl Stout@454:1/33 to Barry Martin on Sun Jun 14 09:31:00 2020
    Barry,

    Yup: in college I had classmates from Australia, New Zealand, South
    Africa -- the concept of effectively Christmas in July never quite
    clicked with me!

    Well, when stores start putting up decorations that soon... :P

    Yet people get upset when someone overhears their private conversation when they're on speakerphone!

    True.

    Swipe the screen to enter the PIN/access?

    I do that, but sometimes, it still won't clear that up. No wonder they
    made that model "free". :P

    I think your electronics is haunted like my rain gauge!!

    They might be.

    Daryl

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  • From Barry Martin@454:1/1 to Daryl Stout on Mon Jun 15 17:34:00 2020

    Hi Daryl!

    Yup: in college I had classmates from Australia, New Zealand, South
    Africa -- the concept of effectively Christmas in July never quite
    clicked with me!
    Well, when stores start putting up decorations that soon... :P

    You'd see us in retail starting to twitch and spasm! (And not saying I
    don't like Christmas and holidays, just each their own time please.)



    Swipe the screen to enter the PIN/access?
    I do that, but sometimes, it still won't clear that up. No
    wonder they made that model "free". :P

    It helps with the right PIN/access!! <g> ...Yes, sounds ike a major
    boo-boo.


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  • From Nancy Backus@454:1/452 to Barry Martin on Mon Jun 1 17:34:18 2020
    Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 17-May-2020 09:15 <=-

    Sigh.... I AM slipping.... 2 weeks behind now...!

    Just curious sorts like us tend to wonder about it... ;)
    More than likely. Similar for a lot of things: just happens. Up
    until a few messages ago I didn't know the size of a HESCO barrier: was
    just a big box filled with sand by a bulldozer and a lot more efficient
    than sandbags.
    And generally that would be sufficient to know... until we start
    getting curious... ;)
    True: Black Box Concepts getting smaller and smaller.
    To some extent... ;)
    They do get smaller: I just haven't figured out how they get all of
    them to fit in that first box! ...I think that's another Black Box
    line of discovery!!

    Probably... <G>

    Possible; I haven't seen or heard anything to indicate one way or the
    other - they just magically appear. Have seen news coverage of the
    devices being filled with sand and later "will be removed" but nothing
    to indicate anything more - including what is done with the sand fill.
    They probably figure that people aren't interested in the
    details... and, in most cases, they probably are right... ;)
    Now, if someone should raise the question in a budget hearing as to
    which is more cost effective, perhaps some further details would
    emerge... ;)
    There are quite a few people interested in environmental issues around here would seem it would have come up. Just have to find out some
    day.

    Maybe it has already but you weren't enough interested at the time...? ;)

    We aren't all that far from the Genesee River, but it's both a lot
    smaller than the Mississippi and, as it goes through the city, it's
    mostly in various depths of a ravine... And our neighborhood is
    somewhat elevated as well, and our house is on a slight elevation of
    our street as well... No worries here... ;)
    That's good!
    Most area flooding is either at the lakeshore or low-lying areas near
    some of the creeks, and mostly a result of high winds and/or heavy
    rain...
    We've found the Mississippi almost always floods due to rain; detail
    is almost never if just rains South of here. (Ooo! I'm in trouble
    now!!) During very high waters they will ban pleasure boats on the
    River because too dangerous (hit debris/hit by debris, and the water
    is flowing too rapidly) plus if travelling too fast will create waves which weaken sandbag walls and sometimes splash over barricades.

    All very sensible... :) At the shores of Lake Ontario, when the water
    is high, there's similar restrictions/prohibitions against speed, lest
    the created waves wash away even more shoreline....

    Makes sense... are the re-opening counties doing ok...?
    I haven't heard any negatives but might be a little too early
    considering incubation period. The medical director for Rock Island
    County (IL) - across the River from us - is concerned with reopening
    too soon in both Iowa and Illinois, causing a resurgence. Personally I
    agree with him, as do a lot of people, though I can see the need to
    reopen businesses to get people their paychecks.
    A lot depends on how willing people are to still keep their distance
    and practice the safety measures... if there's too much> crowding,
    things could easily resurge....
    True: nice to be be in a crowd: amplifies the concert experience, camaraderie in a bar, the overall social experience, etc., but the downside is the easier transmission of disease -- any disease, not
    just COVID-19.

    Yup, upsides and downsides to crowds... some diseases are more easily
    spread than others, of course... Even for bars and concerts, I'd just
    as soon not be in too much of a crowd, though... ;)

    ...Saw a news item where a restaurant re-opened and instead of blocking off every other booth with tape they dressed up mannequins and blow-up dolls and sat and posed them at the not-to-be-occupied tables. (Some
    of the blow-up ones did look a little 'suspicious' and spooky!) Clever idea to make the restaurant look less empty; wonder how many live
    patrons took photos/selfies with the mannequins?

    People being as they are, I'd guess it at least occurred to many of
    them... and probably some did follow through... ;)

    As far as I know, nothing's really been reopened here yet... still on
    PAUSE until at least May 15... and I guess he's looking at the stats
    for various regions to determing who's "ready" to reopen....
    IMO a smart move, though probably unpopular in general. People want
    to get back to the regular lives, just some are impatient to do so, IMO
    risking themselves and others who are waiting.
    And now we are actually starting to reopen... our region met the
    criteria for phase one reopening, so the first wave of non-essential
    businesses is opening... non-essential retail is only curbside, though,
    not sure about getting shoes or clothes that way... <G> Phase two
    will let them open naturally....
    Barber shops/salons, gyms, and another category or two could do
    restricted openings starting yesterday (May 16). Where I go for a
    haircut wasn't opening until today (Sunday), probably more for
    scheduling purposes and maybe the company can write off all of last
    week as a loss. Was a little surprised of the openings here as we're
    one of the twenty-two counties still highly restricted in Iowa, mainly because we didn't start getting cases until later.

    Sounds like your governor reconsidered about whether to open your
    counties, then... and it really does show how differently various things
    are viewed from state to state.... Those are in a much later category
    for us... barber shops etc aren't open yet, and I think we've entered
    phase 2....

    Currently raining + fog: not going to be getting any outside work done today! Ground is saturated from the rain last week; sump pump started doing it's thing yesterday. Autumm investigated the drain and then
    ran off as there was some bugs she didn't like -- normally she likes
    bugs: she even put five 'roly polies' in a plastic doll bed, added a
    small cap-like thing with water for them....

    Maybe those bugs she didn't like looked particularly ugly/scary and not
    at all cute....

    the Burning Bush doesn't look too good: several of the trunk branches
    <snip>
    Haven't done anything directly with the Burning Bush but looks to be
    dead. Not sure what the other shrub/bush is but the leaves look to be
    different from what I remember the Burning Bush having, but could be
    because has recently budded and not fully leafed out. Need to do
    other yard work before cutting out the dead branches.
    You'll get to it soon enough... ;)
    Yup. Was doing some yard cleanup yesterday and with it greening up
    doesn't look as bad. Still needs to be done of course. But First!
    A bit at a time... ;)
    And today's not it's time!

    Has it happened yet....? ;)

    ttyl neb

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