Hi Ky!
KM> I've inherited a PowerEdge R510 server! great whopping rackmount
KM> type monster, dual Xeon, 64GB RAM, 12 drive bays, all full (8 3TB
KM> SAS, 4 480GB SATA SSDs which will be used to upgrade other
KM> stuff). No OS, cuz it was using some cloud OS from which it's now
KM> disconnected.
I suppose start here:
https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln129177/how-to-install-t he-operating-system-on-a-dell-poweredge-server-os-deployment?lang=en
KM> I've inherited a PowerEdge R510 server! great whopping rackmount
KM> type monster, dual Xeon, 64GB RAM, 12 drive bays, all full (8 3TB
KM> SAS, 4 480GB SATA SSDs which will be used to upgrade other
KM> stuff). No OS, cuz it was using some cloud OS from which it's now
KM> disconnected.
I suppose start here: https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln129177/how-to-install-t he-operating-system-on-a-dell-poweredge-server-os-deployment?lang=en
Yep, found those... and thinking it should have shipped with
Windows ServerSomeyear, but unable to find the Windows Sticker, I contacted Dell support to ask where they hid it... nope, that one
shipped naked, no OS, but I HAVE ENTERPRISE SUPPORT!
(That means instead of trying to fob you off with canned
information, or telling you to get lost because you're out of
warranty, they chase you around to make sure you leave happy. :)
Anyway, once I figured out that if you boot from USB, it thinks
your USB stick is C: and not USB-anything... should be able to
install a fresh OS easily enough. Then the question is... what
work shall it do? What would YOU do with 53 pounds of server? :)
Hi Ky!
KM> Yep, found those... and thinking it should have shipped with
KM> Windows ServerSomeyear, but unable to find the Windows Sticker, I
KM> contacted Dell support to ask where they hid it... nope, that one
KM> shipped naked, no OS, but I HAVE ENTERPRISE SUPPORT!
So you get personalized supoort paid for by whomever originally bought
the unit?! Neat!!!
And yes, I sort of figured you had found the information I did, just sometimes I'll put the search terms in a different sequence or add or
leave out a phrase and find something unique.
KM> Anyway, once I figured out that if you boot from USB, it thinks
KM> your USB stick is C: and not USB-anything... should be able to
KM> install a fresh OS easily enough. Then the question is... what
KM> work shall it do? What would YOU do with 53 pounds of server? :)
Interesting on the USB Boot. That is one way to do an installation with 'regular' computers, though I'm still using DVDs.
Now for the "what would I do with 53 pounds of server?". And what was
it, 3x 8 TB plus several 420 GB's (you were going to use the latter for upgrading other computers). So that leaves either three 8 TB units in a
RAID or or 24 TB. I have a couple-pound server in the basement with
only 5 TB and it is only half full. ...I don't know. If someone
offered, yes, I'd take it too -- same as you, grab now, figure out what
to do with it later. ...Obvious is 'storage', but one person has only
so much data to store.
Renting/leasing storage to others is a
consideration, though then that kicks up all sort of business and legal requirements for you which can be a pain. ....I don't know!
KM> Yep, found those... and thinking it should have shipped with
KM> Windows ServerSomeyear, but unable to find the Windows Sticker, I
KM> contacted Dell support to ask where they hid it... nope, that one
KM> shipped naked, no OS, but I HAVE ENTERPRISE SUPPORT!
So you get personalized supoort paid for by whomever originally bought
the unit?! Neat!!!
Yep, about another 200 days worth, so I'd better get it in gear. :D
And yes, I sort of figured you had found the information I did, just sometimes I'll put the search terms in a different sequence or add or
leave out a phrase and find something unique.
You never know, especially what with all the stupid custom
results. No, Goo-duck, I want the exact thing I searched for, not
what you think I wanted!!@*&^@@@##!!
KM> Anyway, once I figured out that if you boot from USB, it thinks
KM> your USB stick is C: and not USB-anything... should be able to
KM> install a fresh OS easily enough. Then the question is... what
KM> work shall it do? What would YOU do with 53 pounds of server? :) Interesting on the USB Boot. That is one way to do an installation with 'regular' computers, though I'm still using DVDs.
You're supposed to use the embedded management engine, which I
haven't entirely figured out yet. I read the fine manual and was
not enlightened. I watched a video and began to have a glimmer.
Perhaps I'll experiment and hope nothing explodes. One of the
SSDs will be used as the OS drive (it has two 2.5" internal drive
bays for this very purpose).
Now for the "what would I do with 53 pounds of server?". And what was
Boat anchor? :)
it, 3x 8 TB plus several 420 GB's (you were going to use the latter for upgrading other computers). So that leaves either three 8 TB units in a RAID or or 24 TB. I have a couple-pound server in the basement with
24TB straight up. Plus I'll probably hunt down some used SAS
(cheaper than used SATA) HDs to fill the vacated bays.
RAID is against my religion. Let me tell you the sordid tale (for
the second time today, wtf) of how I lost faith:
I was cured of RAID by a friend's experience with a failed
array... when RAID loses its marbles, it garbles files in the
most creative ways, such as each file contains striped sectors
from each HD. And there's no good way to recover data from
mangled linux filesystems, other than copy sector-by-sector then
extract files from the resulting Single Giant File, based on
known filetype headers, and hope the file was not fragmented. And
the last intact backup was from =after= RAID went berserk, so was
no help.
What a mess. I spent six months rebuilding 14,000 irreplaceble
JPGs from a vast heap of random data. Got to where I could
hand-build JPG headers in my sleep, and ID which image a file
fragment belonged to at a glance. (Some were in 3 or 4 pieces,
and not in adjacent data chunks.) Good thing I think peering at
files with a hex editor is normal. Were only about 60 that I
couldn't recover at least part of, thanks to Frhed and JPEGsnoop.
only 5 TB and it is only half full. ...I don't know. If someone
offered, yes, I'd take it too -- same as you, grab now, figure out what
to do with it later. ...Obvious is 'storage', but one person has only
so much data to store.
On the scattered PCs I have about <does ballpark count> 8-10 TB,
not counting semi-random duplications, er, I mean backups of
disks-in-use.
Renting/leasing storage to others is a
consideration, though then that kicks up all sort of business and legal requirements for you which can be a pain. ....I don't know!
Yeah, you get into legal liabilities there. Distributed computing
would probably not be worth the power bill (apparently it doesn't
use much idle, but can really cook when running full tilt). So
I'm thinkin' backup server and maybe occasional media server...
...if I ripped all the DVDs, which I should for backup purposes
anyway, it'd be... well, there go the rest of those TBs... http://www.the-sandpit.com/misc/dvdlist.htm
Who buys all this crap? Worse, who watches all this crap? :)
Junk fills the brain cells allotted. :D
Hi Ky!
> And yes, I sort of figured you had found the information I did, just
> sometimes I'll put the search terms in a different sequence or add or
> leave out a phrase and find something unique.
KM> You never know, especially what with all the stupid custom
KM> results. No, Goo-duck, I want the exact thing I searched for, not
KM> what you think I wanted!!@*&^@@@##!!
There are times when I do misspell/mistype something and Google will
offer the right one. There are also times when I try to type what I
want, with the plus and minus options, and still get what I didn't want.
And sometimes just fun to help someone, like with the Adrian can't be
shut off in the previous message (or at least my reading sequence!). ^C
is the answer, or at least supposed to be the answer -- now you get to
find out why it didn't work. And maybe you knew about www.TheAdrianProject.com, maybe not.
> Interesting on the USB Boot. That is one way to do an installation with
> 'regular' computers, though I'm still using DVDs.
KM> You're supposed to use the embedded management engine, which I
KM> haven't entirely figured out yet. I read the fine manual and was
KM> not enlightened. I watched a video and began to have a glimmer.
KM> Perhaps I'll experiment and hope nothing explodes. One of the
KM> SSDs will be used as the OS drive (it has two 2.5" internal drive
KM> bays for this very purpose).
I'll admit to (maybe too freqently!) want it NOW. The DVD installation
just about always seems to work -- there are two computers where the DVD seems to have been software-disconnected and so they have been sitting gathering dust - literally. Used to work, for some reason don't work
now, or the last time I tried.
Thumbdrive installation probably is no big deal and probably is a little faster, though doesn't give me the flashing LED indicator like a DVD
does to say something is happening even though the screen is just
sitting there.
Never tried a network install.
> Now for the "what would I do with 53 pounds of server?". And what was
KM> Boat anchor? :)
I wonder if that's enough for the current on the Mississippi River?
(It's only about a dozen blocks from the house.)
KM> 24TB straight up. Plus I'll probably hunt down some used SAS
KM> (cheaper than used SATA) HDs to fill the vacated bays.
Wasn't familar with the term and probably others aren't either so here:
SAS SSD vs. SATA SSD
A SSD delivers faster data transfer rates than a serial ATA (SATA) SSD.
... SAS drives use a higher signal voltage than SATA drives and can
reliably transmit data -- with better overall data integrity end to
end -- at twice the speed of SATA drives.
https://searchstorage.techtarget.com/definition/SAS-SSD-Serial-Attached- SCSI-solid-state-drive
OK, may as well go with the super-speed while you're at it!
"Ytch!" I've got a bunch of JPGs from my first visit to Vienna which
somehow became corrupted on the camera (cell phone) memory card -- have
been able to recover some and others are still need to be worked on -
just hadn't looked around for better/other repair utilities plus wanted
a faster computer (like this one which I built in the interim) to
hopefully get things done quicker.
RAID and JBOD do seem a little 'dangerous'. I will admit to using JBOD
with my backup NAS in the basement. So far so good. Know with JBOD if
one drive fails essentially all fail, as far as the data component is concerned.
KM> On the scattered PCs I have about <does ballpark count> 8-10 TB,
KM> not counting semi-random duplications, er, I mean backups of
KM> disks-in-use.
I'll have to allow ballpark as I know I have duplicated duplicates here. Working on combining the various 'storages' here. A lot of duplicate
filenames but enough where the filename is the same but the data is
different I don't want to just click the automatic overwrite or skip
options. Also had an issue like you with all the files got dumped into
a common directory, so loss of the subdirectories. I don't want the
computer stuff mixed with the car stuff mixed with the house stuff, so
that is being separated.
KM> I'm thinkin' backup server and maybe occasional media server...
It'll look impressive stating you have 18 TB (or whatever) of storage!
Just don't display the "free space = 16.2 TB" part!!
KM> ...if I ripped all the DVDs, which I should for backup purposes
KM> anyway, it'd be... well, there go the rest of those TBs...
KM> http://www.the-sandpit.com/misc/dvdlist.htm
KM> Who buys all this crap? Worse, who watches all this crap? :)
KM> Junk fills the brain cells allotted. :D
Well there are some I'd find interesting. If the "Becker DVD" is the
one from the TV show I used to watch. Not into Star Wars, though would
watch Planet of the Apes.
> And yes, I sort of figured you had found the information I did, just
> sometimes I'll put the search terms in a different sequence or add or
> leave out a phrase and find something unique.
KM> You never know, especially what with all the stupid custom
KM> results. No, Goo-duck, I want the exact thing I searched for, not
KM> what you think I wanted!!@*&^@@@##!!
There are times when I do misspell/mistype something and Google will
offer the right one. There are also times when I try to type what I
want, with the plus and minus options, and still get what I didn't want.
Duck is pretty good about that, but often as not I want MY
spelling!
And sometimes just fun to help someone, like with the Adrian can't be
shut off in the previous message (or at least my reading sequence!). ^C
is the answer, or at least supposed to be the answer -- now you get to
find out why it didn't work. And maybe you knew about www.TheAdrianProject.com, maybe not.
Hadn't heard of it, tho I suppose it had to come from somewhere!
But when I was quick-testing distros, the whole didn't impress me
so much that I cared enough to chase after it.
> Interesting on the USB Boot. That is one way to do an installation with
> 'regular' computers, though I'm still using DVDs.
KM> You're supposed to use the embedded management engine, which I
KM> haven't entirely figured out yet. I read the fine manual and was
KM> not enlightened. I watched a video and began to have a glimmer.
KM> Perhaps I'll experiment and hope nothing explodes. One of the
KM> SSDs will be used as the OS drive (it has two 2.5" internal drive
KM> bays for this very purpose).
I'll admit to (maybe too freqently!) want it NOW. The DVD installation
Last week would be nice. :D And I would like this knowledge to
just magically appear in my head; I have little patience with
pursuing it. Maybe next year I won't be so busy, and will also be officially an Old Fogey eligible for free tuition, so maybe I'll
go take a networking course at the college...
just about always seems to work -- there are two computers where the DVD seems to have been software-disconnected and so they have been sitting gathering dust - literally. Used to work, for some reason don't work
now, or the last time I tried.
It doesn't have a DVD drive. I'd have to use the USB DVD (which I
happen to have) or hook a loose drive to the internal SATA port.
Thumbdrive installation probably is no big deal and probably is a little faster, though doesn't give me the flashing LED indicator like a DVD
does to say something is happening even though the screen is just
sitting there.
Flash drive install is a LOT faster, probably 10x faster for the
average install, and better yet if it's USB3. Optical drive is
severely limited by low rotational speed (have you seen the demos
of CDs flying apart in shards at speeds above 52x?).
And most flash drives have a busy-LED, tho commonly it points at
the floor if plugged into the mainboard port. This is solved by
using a cable (be sure it supports USB3) so it can flap around in
sight. :)
Never tried a network install.
Me neither.
> Now for the "what would I do with 53 pounds of server?". And what was
KM> Boat anchor? :)
I wonder if that's enough for the current on the Mississippi River?
(It's only about a dozen blocks from the house.)
Probably not :) Have friends across the river in Davenport, only
a block from the river (EEEK!) tho they tell me behind good
levees. (whew!)
KM> 24TB straight up. Plus I'll probably hunt down some used SAS
KM> (cheaper than used SATA) HDs to fill the vacated bays.
Wasn't familar with the term and probably others aren't either so here:
Yeah, you pretty much never see SAS drives unless you have a
server! Never thought I'd own one, let alone eight. Or twelve
once I get it refilled (need to check how large it supports).
SAS SSD vs. SATA SSD
A SSD delivers faster data transfer rates than a serial ATA (SATA) SSD.
... SAS drives use a higher signal voltage than SATA drives and can
reliably transmit data -- with better overall data integrity end to
end -- at twice the speed of SATA drives.
https://searchstorage.techtarget.com/definition/SAS-SSD-Serial-Attached- SCSI-solid-state-drive
OK, may as well go with the super-speed while you're at it!
Yep. And they're HGST 7200rpm so I expect the speed is
impressive, and this particular drive, per Backblaze stats,
almost never fails.
"Ytch!" I've got a bunch of JPGs from my first visit to Vienna which somehow became corrupted on the camera (cell phone) memory card -- have
been able to recover some and others are still need to be worked on -
just hadn't looked around for better/other repair utilities plus wanted
a faster computer (like this one which I built in the interim) to
hopefully get things done quicker.
There is no repair utility as such, other than extracting 'em
from whatever sectors were recoverable, then hand-editing the
resulting file. You have to learn what is and isn't data by
sight, and hand-delete what's not. Foreign junk will always be
some multiple of a sector, or the slack space at the end of a
cluster. (Yet another reason to defrag early and often!!)
When you see a JPG with the bottom part tutti-fruiti, but
otherwise the displayed size looks right, you've got some garbage
in the middle of the file (it can only decode and display down to
the garbage). Delete that garbage with your handy hex editor
(Frhed in my case), making sure there are no leftover bytes, and
assuming the rest of the data is intact, the file should look
normal again.
IIRC Frhed lets you jump down N-many bytes, so I'd find the bad
spot, then jump down by sector (selecting as I went) and after
one or more jumps landing right on the next good byte. Delete,
done. Got so my average processing time for ordinary corruption
was about 30 seconds.
RAID and JBOD do seem a little 'dangerous'. I will admit to using JBOD
with my backup NAS in the basement. So far so good. Know with JBOD if
one drive fails essentially all fail, as far as the data component is concerned.
Oy.
https://blog.storagecraft.com/jbod-care/
I don't know why I'd want the One Big Disk effect. I'm perfectly
good with drives named \\Bullet\Easystore and \\Bullet\H and...
okay, it does get a little windy...
Shared resources at \\bullet
Share name Type Used as Comment ------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------
Bullet_C_W98 Disk
Bullet_D Disk
Bullet_E Disk (UNC)
Bullet_F_XP Disk (UNC)
Bullet_WD500 Disk (UNC)
CitizenG Print Citizen GSX-230
E2B (J) Disk (UNC)
EasyStore Disk (UNC)
Epson3250 Print Epson AP-3250 ESC/P 2
G_MAIL (G) Disk
H Disk (UNC)
HP2100TN Print HP LaserJet 2100 PCL6
HPLaserJet2100 Print HP LaserJet 2100
L-XD-Fuji Disk
Lexar (J) Bullet Disk
M-SD-card Disk
My Book (O) Disk (UNC)
My Documents Disk
My Pictures Disk
Printer Print HP LaserJet IIIP
Printer3 Print HP LaserJet 4P/4MP PS
SharedDocs Disk
Shared resources at \\silver
SILVER
------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------
E-Scratch Disk
G-Hitachi320 Disk
HPLaserJ Print HP LaserJet 1020
Mail (M) Disk
SD120 (F) Disk
SILVER-RAMdisk (Z) Disk
SILVER-WD1000 Disk
SILVER-WD250 Disk
Shared resources at \\dell-pc
Share name Type Used as Comment ------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------
!SHARED Disk (UNC)
C Disk (UNC)
Users Disk
The Dell's C and Users shares exist but do not work. Apparently
one must do ugly hoop-jumping to share the root on Win7 and
above, so I just dump everything I want to share in !SHARED. XP
lets me share the root at my convenience. And tho the linux box
can see everyone else, hell if I can figure out how to GET it to
share (SAMBA did not help).
KM> On the scattered PCs I have about <does ballpark count> 8-10 TB,
KM> not counting semi-random duplications, er, I mean backups of
KM> disks-in-use.
I'll have to allow ballpark as I know I have duplicated duplicates here. Working on combining the various 'storages' here. A lot of duplicate
Yeah, someday I need to make one consolidated backup. Real Soon
Now!
filenames but enough where the filename is the same but the data is different I don't want to just click the automatic overwrite or skip
Not me, I've got way too many same names different file.
options. Also had an issue like you with all the files got dumped into
a common directory, so loss of the subdirectories. I don't want the computer stuff mixed with the car stuff mixed with the house stuff, so
that is being separated.
Erk, that would be all sorts of fun...
I'm thinkin' backup server and maybe occasional media server...It'll look impressive stating you have 18 TB (or whatever) of storage!
Just don't display the "free space = 16.2 TB" part!!
Haha.. likely I'll assign each disk a particular backup job, and
maybe make a redundant copy on another disk.
KM> ...if I ripped all the DVDs, which I should for backup purposes
KM> anyway, it'd be... well, there go the rest of those TBs...
KM> http://www.the-sandpit.com/misc/dvdlist.htm
KM> Who buys all this crap? Worse, who watches all this crap? :)
KM> Junk fills the brain cells allotted. :D
Well there are some I'd find interesting. If the "Becker DVD" is the
Becket. Excellent film.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becket_(1964_film)
...Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles??!!
One of many from Walmart's $3 bin. But I liked the animated
series, so what the heck. Haven't watched 'em yet.
Alice to Nowhere is exceedingly rare (and not on DVD other than
crappy bootlegs)... tripped over it for cheap on eBay, guy did
not know what he had...
Had quite a bit of that luck in the past year. One was a
reference book I thought I'd never even SEE, let alone own...
there are only 8, maybe 9 copies known to exist. And someone had
it up for $25. GIMME!!!
Hi Ky!
KM> I've inherited a PowerEdge R510 server! great whopping rackmount
KM> type monster, dual Xeon, 64GB RAM, 12 drive bays, all full (8 3TB
KM> SAS, 4 480GB SATA SSDs which will be used to upgrade other
KM> stuff). No OS, cuz it was using some cloud OS from which it's now
KM> disconnected.
KM> I've inherited a PowerEdge R510 server! great whopping rackmount
KM> type monster, dual Xeon, 64GB RAM, 12 drive bays, all full (8 3TB
KM> SAS, 4 480GB SATA SSDs which will be used to upgrade other
KM> stuff). No OS, cuz it was using some cloud OS from which it's now
KM> disconnected.
And what I ended up doing was cannibalizing it... had a loose
newer Xeon CPU, had a Lenovo S30 workstation motherboard that
uses this very CPU fall on my head; it supports both SAS hard
drives and 64GB ECC RAM... and uses about a third the electricity
for the same net horsepower. And since it's a Xeon and I've
already used Xorro as a name, it became Fireball, as in XL-5
(it's fast, it has an X, isn't logic wonderful? :)
And then we had a HUGE argument getting any Windows before Win10
to install.
The Lenovo board has an embedded Win10 license. (It shipped with
Win7; how it acquired this is a mystery. Maybe that "free"
upgrade.) It LOVES Win10. I do not. Win10 is what sent me
screaming off to linux. Win10 ate my old external HD. Win10 is on
my $#!+ List.
Win8.1 Enterprise would not install. Win8 Embedded installs, but
runs very poorly, and is very annoying. (Enterprise, which came
to me on a freebie laptop, evidently has had considerable
behavior modification, as it is much more polite than the
consumer edition.)
Win7 would not install, tho a portable Win7 install runs fine.
(Not sure why this Win7Ultimate of uncertain provenance is
portable, but it is. Just stick it in anything, and it runs.)
Better than on Silver, actually, where it's decided NVMes are not
in its future.
I really wanted Fireball to run XP64, because its intended job is
Poor Man's NAS, for which it needs to network gracefully and
without argument. XP64 does that, and is 100% stable. But oh
lordy, the ways the install found to fail.. got some help from
Lenovo support but turns out if you slipstream the I/O driver,
XP64 then rejects its own embedded serial number. After numerous
fails I finally gave up and switched SATA to from UEFI to
Legacy... and then we had a different set of fails, until one
attempt became confused and used the previous failed install as
its starting point -- and THEN it installed. And runs fine. I am
now terrified of having to repeat this arcane procedure which no
one understands, and have made three copies of the relevant hard
drive. <g>
BUT... still looking for the relevant SAS driver.. the XP driver
on Lenovo's site is the wrong one (tho their Win7 driver works). Meanwhile, could not get Win7 on Silver to play nice with the
NVMe (the driver made Win7 throw up all over itself) but the NVMe
works fine with XP64. WTF.
Well, I guess I just swap their OSs. And get to use my preferred
XP for everyday. <g>
Unless someone can show me how to get linux to gracefully allow
network access to its precious hard drives... PCLOS runs lovely
on both of 'em, but it's very annoying to be stuck with only ONE
network drive that it will access (I don't know how I did that,
either) and refusing to let anyone else see its own naughty bits.
Oh... and never ever not EVER change the "use optimized defaults"
setting on a Lenovo. If it ain't broke, don't touch it. You Have
Been Warned. If you change it (hoping to fool the desired OS into installing, because Lenovo Support suggested looking at this
setting) and if your vidcard is not BRAND FREAKIN' NEW, you will experience an apparently-bricked system, until you try a BRAND
FREAKIN' NEW vidcard out of sheer desperation. (Well, new enough
to know newfangled BIOS stuff, anyway.) Per Lenovo Support, the
function comes factory-preset to Do Certain Settings, and if it
disagrees with any bit of hardware, the result Does Not Work.
And how was YOUR day? :D
KM> for the same net horsepower. And since it's a Xeon and I've
KM> already used Xorro as a name, it became Fireball, as in XL-5
KM> (it's fast, it has an X, isn't logic wonderful? :)
But Zorro on TV spelt his name with a 'Z'! Much fancier to go slash- slash-slash than swoosh-swoosh!!
KM> And then we had a HUGE argument getting any Windows before Win10
KM> to install.
It hasn't learned 'new and improved' isn't always so.
KM> The Lenovo board has an embedded Win10 license. (It shipped with
KM> Win7; how it acquired this is a mystery. Maybe that "free"
KM> upgrade.) It LOVES Win10. I do not. Win10 is what sent me
KM> screaming off to linux. Win10 ate my old external HD. Win10 is on
KM> my $#!+ List.
Yes, that does seem a bit odd: has a license for Windows 10 though using
and running Windows 7. I'd probably wipe Windows all together and
install Linux (here Ubuntu), though probably try for dual booting as
some things do need Windows. (Wonder how one can keep Win 7 from
upgrading?)
KM> Win8.1 Enterprise would not install. Win8 Embedded installs, but
KM> runs very poorly, and is very annoying. (Enterprise, which came
KM> to me on a freebie laptop, evidently has had considerable
KM> behavior modification, as it is much more polite than the
KM> consumer edition.)
8.1 may have been tweaked for business before being released -- "we can piddle off the consumer but better not the business customer!".
KM> Win7 would not install, tho a portable Win7 install runs fine.
KM> (Not sure why this Win7Ultimate of uncertain provenance is
KM> portable, but it is. Just stick it in anything, and it runs.)
So a permanent Windows 7 won't work but a temporary one will! Wonder of
the 'permanent' version is designed for a specific brand such as HP and
so is missing anything Acer needs whereas the portable version has or
can get all manufacturers.
KM> Better than on Silver, actually, where it's decided NVMes are not
KM> in its future.
I haven't played with them yet. SSDs, yes.
Reminds be of the headaches I had with the install of Ubuntu 18.04 on
this system because of a faulty memory module! And didn't help this was
my first time trying to use UEFI so didn't know also needed a 'special' partition.
And speaking of NAS, probably going to build one here as the pre-built
device I'm using is no longer supported, plus was running short on
storage -- deleted some old-old stuff and took care of that problem!
FreeNAS, Amahi, etc. are considerations for the new NAS.
It's just toying with your mind! Unfortunately I haven't played with
the NVMe's yet so I can't help there.
KM> Well, I guess I just swap their OSs. And get to use my preferred
KM> XP for everyday. <g>
When life gives you lemons....
KM> Unless someone can show me how to get linux to gracefully allow
KM> network access to its precious hard drives... PCLOS runs lovely
KM> on both of 'em, but it's very annoying to be stuck with only ONE
KM> network drive that it will access (I don't know how I did that,
KM> either) and refusing to let anyone else see its own naughty bits.
I'm using VNC here but limited experience. Have been going from this
system to a couple of the Raspberry Pi's. Have been able to do
read/write of their SDcards, which I suppose is similar to a hard drive
over a network.
..Right_click, Properties, Local Network Share tab. More for a
specific directory than the hard drive in total.
KM> Oh... and never ever not EVER change the "use optimized defaults"
KM> setting on a Lenovo. If it ain't broke, don't touch it. You Have
KM> Been Warned. If you change it (hoping to fool the desired OS into
KM> installing, because Lenovo Support suggested looking at this
KM> setting) and if your vidcard is not BRAND FREAKIN' NEW, you will
KM> experience an apparently-bricked system, until you try a BRAND
KM> FREAKIN' NEW vidcard out of sheer desperation. (Well, new enough
KM> to know newfangled BIOS stuff, anyway.) Per Lenovo Support, the
KM> function comes factory-preset to Do Certain Settings, and if it
KM> disagrees with any bit of hardware, the result Does Not Work.
"Optimized" seems to mean "best results with the original way we shipped
it".
KM> And how was YOUR day? :D
Apparently better than yours!
.. To be, or not to be. *BOOM!* Not to be.
KM> for the same net horsepower. And since it's a Xeon and I've
KM> already used Xorro as a name, it became Fireball, as in XL-5
KM> (it's fast, it has an X, isn't logic wonderful? :)
But Zorro on TV spelt his name with a 'Z'! Much fancier to go slash- slash-slash than swoosh-swoosh!!
<g> Well do I remember the TV Zorro... Xorro is a Xeon. Now if they'd
named the CPU Zeon instead.....
KM> The Lenovo board has an embedded Win10 license. (It shipped with
KM> Win7; how it acquired this is a mystery. Maybe that "free"
KM> upgrade.) It LOVES Win10. I do not. Win10 is what sent me
KM> screaming off to linux. Win10 ate my old external HD. Win10 is on
KM> my $#!+ List.
Yes, that does seem a bit odd: has a license for Windows 10 though using
and running Windows 7. I'd probably wipe Windows all together and
install Linux (here Ubuntu), though probably try for dual booting as
I am long cured of dual booting, especially outside one's
species.
Win7 maybe, and Win10 definitely rewrites the boot
sector every time you switch OSs, and whether it'll respect GRUB
and leave it alone... I have doubts, considering it won't even
respect a cousin Windows. Only reason I have a couple multiboot
Windows setups is cuz they were supposed to be experimental, and
there's nothing so permanent as a temporary camp.
But even then
it's a nuisance, and a risk every time you switch OSs. (Also
Windows no longer respects being told to stick to a given drive
letter, but instead wishes to always be C:, which changes
everyone else's drive letters every time one switches OSs.)
Well, I might multiboot linux only, provided none of 'em was of
the Ubuntu family... having learned that unstable GRUB is a
feature there. (Or why there exists an Ubuntu-specific GRUB fixit
disk. Which also works on Mint.) Not sure if the fault goes back
further to Debian. It may be fixed, by what I've read, but it was
a known problem a couple years ago. Which having run into it
twice in short order, is why I no longer have a Mint setup. (And
I could trigger it reproducibly: just LOOK in the video
resolution settings. Look, don't touch. Next boot, GRUB reliably
commits seppuku.)
some things do need Windows. (Wonder how one can keep Win 7 from upgrading?)
I dunno... none of mine has attempted it. Then again, I tend to
make updating manual or turn it off entirely.
BTW first thing XP64 on Silver did is download 1.2GB of updates!!
and I was like, WTF. Didn't we get told that ended years ago?
Win7 still gets updates too, mostly for Windows Defender but
occasionally other stuff.
KM> Win7 would not install, tho a portable Win7 install runs fine.
KM> (Not sure why this Win7Ultimate of uncertain provenance is
KM> portable, but it is. Just stick it in anything, and it runs.)
So a permanent Windows 7 won't work but a temporary one will! Wonder of
the 'permanent' version is designed for a specific brand such as HP and
so is missing anything Acer needs whereas the portable version has or
can get all manufacturers.
Oh, I tried those too. No improvement. Could not find a
Lenovo-specific ISO, it's no longer available for download from
them, and so far no one has uploaded it to any of the Usual
Suspects. Also tried "Black" (fan-generated Win7) and no joy. The
problem is that the I/O controller is too newfangled (both its
UEFI and having that additional SAS controller), and requires
specific drivers slipstreamed into the install media, PLUS two
different drivers tacked on during the install. Except only one
works; the other download (from Lenovo) is corrupted.
To be fair, the pile of i5/i7 laptops someone gift me are equally
cranky about older Windows... Black will install but won't stay
activated. Win10 thinks it's activated (no one did so) on some of
'em and not on others, which I take to be a flaw in its hardware
hash mechanism. (They all came with it. Will only stay on the
more agreeable specimens... two already have PCLOS instead. They
need more RAM to be really useful, most having only 4GB. And
right now RAM prices are pretty durn high.)
KM> Better than on Silver, actually, where it's decided NVMes are not
KM> in its future.
I haven't played with them yet. SSDs, yes.
This one is my first. It needs the Storport patch from Microsoft,
and an OS-specific driver. Which worked fine on XP64, and not at
all on Win7. Holy crap, I've never seen Windows do an autorevert
like THAT before... cycled through a bunch of angry screens and
finally did a full system restore... it was VERY unhappy... Well,
we won't try THAT again!!
...tho Win7 also has trouble hanging onto the vidcard driver on
that box (XP has no such problem, and neither does Win10). About
half the time when Win7 wakes up from Sleep (or hibernation,
haven't checked which it's doing), it has the resolution set down
a notch, and you have to tell it "Detect Screen" to make it
reset. I have a suspicion the mainboard, or at least the chipset,
is just a fraction too new for Win7, tho that doesn't explain why
XP64 likes it just fine. And why Win7 runs perfectly on the other
i7 of about the same age. (Different chipset, not as fancy. But
same era.)
Speaking of hibernation -- on XP it does not work if you have
more than 4GB RAM and it's using PAE. You can still Sleep, but
not Hibernate.
Reminds be of the headaches I had with the install of Ubuntu 18.04 on
this system because of a faulty memory module! And didn't help this was
my first time trying to use UEFI so didn't know also needed a 'special' partition.
Ouch. Yeah, one of those things we learn by deleting it. <g>
And speaking of NAS, probably going to build one here as the pre-built device I'm using is no longer supported, plus was running short on
The only prebuilt NAS I have is so old it maxes out at a pair of
120GB HDs. And tho the hardware appears to work, I could not get
the software to work (browser-based). Oh well...
storage -- deleted some old-old stuff and took care of that problem! FreeNAS, Amahi, etc. are considerations for the new NAS.
ExplainingComputers lately demo'd building a NAS from a Pi, which
was quite interesting. I forget which of the several options he
used as the OS, but it wasn't real difficult. Or at least he
explains well!! <g>
It's just toying with your mind! Unfortunately I haven't played with
the NVMe's yet so I can't help there.
Very freakin' fast, that's for sure. But anything that requires
an OS level driver just to be seen at all, I can't really trust
-- how do you access the files if the OS is nowhere to hand? So
its function will be basically very fast scratch space for crap
that needs speed, like VM images and Mail files (and browser
cache, far as it can be set -- when I can't set the location, I
turn it off entirely because otherwise it fragments the disk way
too much). And I should try moving the swapfile there (not that
it should ever touch it with 32GB RAM, but some very dumb
software, like anything Adobe, requires swapfile is present, or
it won't run).
KM> Well, I guess I just swap their OSs. And get to use my preferred
KM> XP for everyday. <g>
When life gives you lemons....
....find a lemon catapult and throw them back!!
KM> Unless someone can show me how to get linux to gracefully allow
KM> network access to its precious hard drives... PCLOS runs lovely
KM> on both of 'em, but it's very annoying to be stuck with only ONE
KM> network drive that it will access (I don't know how I did that,
KM> either) and refusing to let anyone else see its own naughty bits.
I'm using VNC here but limited experience. Have been going from this
system to a couple of the Raspberry Pi's. Have been able to do
read/write of their SDcards, which I suppose is similar to a hard drive
over a network.
I've been told it's easier to set up by using the device's IP
address (192.168.x.x) BUT you still have to do each one manually.
I must have 40 shares in Windows (counting stuff that's not
usually running but has an ID on the network), so that's not
really a satisfactory solution. I want to just be presented with
a list of available shares and click to go, same as I do in
Windows! <g>
..Right_click, Properties, Local Network Share tab. More for a
specific directory than the hard drive in total.
Whereas I usually want to share the whole disk. Cuz they're my
files, dammit, I will show them to anyone I like! <g>
KM> Oh... and never ever not EVER change the "use optimized defaults"
KM> setting on a Lenovo. If it ain't broke, don't touch it. You Have
KM> Been Warned. If you change it (hoping to fool the desired OS into
KM> installing, because Lenovo Support suggested looking at this
KM> setting) and if your vidcard is not BRAND FREAKIN' NEW, you will
KM> experience an apparently-bricked system, until you try a BRAND
KM> FREAKIN' NEW vidcard out of sheer desperation. (Well, new enough
KM> to know newfangled BIOS stuff, anyway.) Per Lenovo Support, the
KM> function comes factory-preset to Do Certain Settings, and if it
KM> disagrees with any bit of hardware, the result Does Not Work.
"Optimized" seems to mean "best results with the original way we shipped it".
Exactly!! and all that's left of the original is the
motherboard...
KM> And how was YOUR day? :D
Apparently better than yours!
You shoulda seen my day when I thought the damn thing had bricked itself... was just about to No More Lenovos Ever.
.. To be, or not to be. *BOOM!* Not to be.
That's my day!
Hi Ky!
KM> <g> Well do I remember the TV Zorro... Xorro is a Xeon. Now if they'd
KM> named the CPU Zeon instead.....
People would still mispronounce it!
KM> I am long cured of dual booting, especially outside one's
KM> species.
I have one laptop here which dual boots and that's mainly because it
came with Windows-something and so I thought I'd try to keep it when installing Linux just to have another system which has Windows -- occasionally I do need. I don't know if it rewrites the boot sector or
not.
KM> there's nothing so permanent as a temporary camp.
Yuuup: temporary stays, permanent goes!
KM> But even then
KM> it's a nuisance, and a risk every time you switch OSs. (Also
KM> Windows no longer respects being told to stick to a given drive
KM> letter, but instead wishes to always be C:, which changes
KM> everyone else's drive letters every time one switches OSs.)
That can get very confusing to the human user, even more so for any
batch files.
Glad I don't have that problem here! Wonder if you hae a quirky video
card? No idea what the connection would be, but if just looking at the
video configuration screen does it -- 'looking at the screen' triggers a "what card and monitor am I?" No idea on the connection to GRUB.
KM> I dunno... none of mine has attempted it. Then again, I tend to
KM> make updating manual or turn it off entirely.
Turning off is probably the trick. Until Microsoft decides to bypass.
KM> BTW first thing XP64 on Silver did is download 1.2GB of updates!!
KM> and I was like, WTF. Didn't we get told that ended years ago?
KM> Win7 still gets updates too, mostly for Windows Defender but
KM> occasionally other stuff.
Maybe they thought Silver was a corporate/business installation -- that
might still be viable,
Wonderful. :( Did a bit of Google-fu with: 'windows 7 lenovo download
iso'. Nothing all that new so probably the same as what you discovered
(but just in case!) This one has a list that looks interesting:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_ install/i-do-not-have-windows-7-media-but-i-do-have-my/5ce13741- ac25-4969-ae82-2494726aac1c
KM> To be fair, the pile of i5/i7 laptops someone gift me are equally
KM> cranky about older Windows... Black will install but won't stay
KM> activated. Win10 thinks it's activated (no one did so) on some of
KM> 'em and not on others, which I take to be a flaw in its hardware
KM> hash mechanism. (They all came with it. Will only stay on the
KM> more agreeable specimens... two already have PCLOS instead. They
KM> need more RAM to be really useful, most having only 4GB. And
KM> right now RAM prices are pretty durn high.)
Winter project: I'll have to go through to see what I have - not just
RAM but some old daughterboards. ...Probably not that much of interest
in the RAM Dep't: recalling a bunch of small capacity units.
KM> This one is my first. It needs the Storport patch from Microsoft,
KM> and an OS-specific driver. Which worked fine on XP64, and not at
KM> all on Win7. Holy crap, I've never seen Windows do an autorevert
KM> like THAT before... cycled through a bunch of angry screens and
KM> finally did a full system restore... it was VERY unhappy... Well,
KM> we won't try THAT again!!
So it's true: computers _do_ get mad!
KM> ...tho Win7 also has trouble hanging onto the vidcard driver on
KM> that box (XP has no such problem, and neither does Win10). About
KM> half the time when Win7 wakes up from Sleep (or hibernation,
KM> haven't checked which it's doing), it has the resolution set down
KM> a notch, and you have to tell it "Detect Screen" to make it
KM> reset. I have a suspicion the mainboard, or at least the chipset,
KM> is just a fraction too new for Win7, tho that doesn't explain why
KM> XP64 likes it just fine. And why Win7 runs perfectly on the other
KM> i7 of about the same age. (Different chipset, not as fancy. But
KM> same era.)
Out of curiosity have you tried manually setting the resolution for
something slightly smaller than the real resolution? Thinking should be 1920x1080, try setting at 1900x1060. Was able to do that with a nVidia driver add-on some time back.
KM> Speaking of hibernation -- on XP it does not work if you have
KM> more than 4GB RAM and it's using PAE. You can still Sleep, but
KM> not Hibernate.
Have read where there are problems with Hibernation.
> Reminds be of the headaches I had with the install of Ubuntu 18.04 on
> this system because of a faulty memory module! And didn't help this was
> my first time trying to use UEFI so didn't know also needed a 'special'
> partition.
KM> Ouch. Yeah, one of those things we learn by deleting it. <g>
"This looks empty and I need the space." <delete> Oops!
KM> ExplainingComputers lately demo'd building a NAS from a Pi, which
KM> was quite interesting. I forget which of the several options he
KM> used as the OS, but it wasn't real difficult. Or at least he
KM> explains well!! <g>
I'll have to sit down and see what's out there. Basics isn't that
difficult; those little "we do this!" special stuff is sometimes of
interest. Using a Pi has some interest: it's physically small and
doesn't use much power; power and enclosure for the hard drives could be
a small problem. Repurposing an old computer mostly solves that
(depends on the number and type of hard drive); could die of old age and
have nothing.
..Hmm: the RPi option is sounding interesting: I have 5v/12v power
supplies and a hard drive rack.......
> KM> Well, I guess I just swap their OSs. And get to use my preferred
> KM> XP for everyday. <g>
> When life gives you lemons....
KM> ....find a lemon catapult and throw them back!!
eBay or Etsy?!
Yes and no. I haven't set up all of my computers with VNC because I
don't need to. Right now four are configured and as I recall the
initial configuration was rather easy -- couple of minutes at most.
(OK, so with forty computers that's a few hours.) After it's set up it
is a simple click.
> KM> Oh... and never ever not EVER change the "use optimized defaults"
> "Optimized" seems to mean "best results with the original way we shipped
> it".
KM> Exactly!! and all that's left of the original is the
KM> motherboard...
And that comes without CPU, RAM, sometimes other parts!
> KM> And how was YOUR day? :D
> Apparently better than yours!
KM> You shoulda seen my day when I thought the damn thing had bricked
KM> itself... was just about to No More Lenovos Ever.
Yet I've had pretty good luck with them. OTOH, I don't dig at 'em like
you do!
> .. To be, or not to be. *BOOM!* Not to be.
KM> That's my day!
Thought the tagline was appropriate!
.. Aborted effort.
Close all that you have worked on.
You ask too much.
KM> <g> Well do I remember the TV Zorro... Xorro is a Xeon. Now if they'd
KM> named the CPU Zeon instead.....
People would still mispronounce it!
<choking noise>-on...
KM> I am long cured of dual booting, especially outside one's
KM> species.
I have one laptop here which dual boots and that's mainly because it
came with Windows-something and so I thought I'd try to keep it when installing Linux just to have another system which has Windows -- occasionally I do need. I don't know if it rewrites the boot sector or
not.
Might be GRUB put itself somewhere else, too, having learned the
perils of sharing with Windows. <g>
KM> But even then
KM> it's a nuisance, and a risk every time you switch OSs. (Also
KM> Windows no longer respects being told to stick to a given drive
KM> letter, but instead wishes to always be C:, which changes
KM> everyone else's drive letters every time one switches OSs.)
That can get very confusing to the human user, even more so for any
batch files.
Yeah, especially when three partitions and three boot menu items
have have named themselves "WINDOWS". Took several boots to
untangle which was which. I knew the middle one was Server, but
you couldn't tell by looking!
[Mint-GRUB-seppuku]
Glad I don't have that problem here! Wonder if you hae a quirky video
Shouldna been...
card? No idea what the connection would be, but if just looking at the video configuration screen does it -- 'looking at the screen' triggers a "what card and monitor am I?" No idea on the connection to GRUB.
Exactly. I could see it blowing off the video driver. But it had
zero business going anywhere near GRUB. Mighta been something in
the configuration manager that expected an OK at that point
instead of a CANCEL, and left something open/unwritten... still
had no business...
KM> I dunno... none of mine has attempted it. Then again, I tend to
KM> make updating manual or turn it off entirely.
Turning off is probably the trick. Until Microsoft decides to bypass.
Imagine the fun once the next version comes out... they've said
Win10 will be the last version of Windows. Implying that 20 years
after they first broached the idea (it's been around since the
Win2K launch, and I saw this with my own eyes), they'll FINALLY
get Windows to be a cloud service, not a local OS. Meaning
everyone is locked into subscription mode, not only for the OS
but perhaps also for data storage. Same thing Adobe and Autodesk
have already done.
Anyway, once that's a done deal, there'll be ZERO control over
updates. You'll get the OS the cloud sends you, and like it.
Wonderful. :( Did a bit of Google-fu with: 'windows 7 lenovo download iso'. Nothing all that new so probably the same as what you discovered
(but just in case!) This one has a list that looks interesting: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_ install/i-do-not-have-windows-7-media-but-i-do-have-my/5ce13741- ac25-4969-ae82-2494726aac1c
That's just links to the DigitalRiver downloads, which are no
more. There's a tool for downloading ISOs straight from
Microsoft, but you need a NON-OEM serial number for it to work
(IOW you need a retail box version of Windows). So the tag on a
Lenovo or Dell or HP (which I have in abundance) is no good for
that. There are a couple unofficial MSDN archives which can
provide the official ISOs with less trouble. But none of those is
the desired OEM-specific ISO, tho I've found a couple other OEM
images floating around.
KM> To be fair, the pile of i5/i7 laptops someone gift me are equally
KM> cranky about older Windows... Black will install but won't stay
KM> activated. Win10 thinks it's activated (no one did so) on some of
KM> 'em and not on others, which I take to be a flaw in its hardware
KM> hash mechanism. (They all came with it. Will only stay on the
KM> more agreeable specimens... two already have PCLOS instead. They
KM> need more RAM to be really useful, most having only 4GB. And
KM> right now RAM prices are pretty durn high.)
Winter project: I'll have to go through to see what I have - not just
RAM but some old daughterboards. ...Probably not that much of interest
in the RAM Dep't: recalling a bunch of small capacity units.
I dunno, I can't see as far as your parts box. <g>
KM> This one is my first. It needs the Storport patch from Microsoft,
KM> and an OS-specific driver. Which worked fine on XP64, and not at
KM> all on Win7. Holy crap, I've never seen Windows do an autorevert
KM> like THAT before... cycled through a bunch of angry screens and
KM> finally did a full system restore... it was VERY unhappy... Well,
KM> we won't try THAT again!!
So it's true: computers _do_ get mad!
Or at least Windows does!! Never have I seen so many error
screens without anything locking up. One could regard its full
recovery as miraculous. <g>
KM> ...tho Win7 also has trouble hanging onto the vidcard driver on
KM> that box (XP has no such problem, and neither does Win10). About
KM> half the time when Win7 wakes up from Sleep (or hibernation,
KM> haven't checked which it's doing), it has the resolution set down
KM> a notch, and you have to tell it "Detect Screen" to make it
KM> reset. I have a suspicion the mainboard, or at least the chipset,
KM> is just a fraction too new for Win7, tho that doesn't explain why
KM> XP64 likes it just fine. And why Win7 runs perfectly on the other
KM> i7 of about the same age. (Different chipset, not as fancy. But
KM> same era.)
Out of curiosity have you tried manually setting the resolution for something slightly smaller than the real resolution? Thinking should be 1920x1080, try setting at 1900x1060. Was able to do that with a nVidia driver add-on some time back.
I don't think I can set it manually, but being even a few pixels
off correct aspect ratio would drive my eyes to drink. Weirdly,
the setting it picks is in correct ratio. (16xx by 9xx. But not
an even number.)
KM> Speaking of hibernation -- on XP it does not work if you have
KM> more than 4GB RAM and it's using PAE. You can still Sleep, but
KM> not Hibernate.
Have read where there are problems with Hibernation.
None of mine have any trouble with it. But it's been an issue
with older laptops in particular. Does need proper hardware
support. Shouldn't be a problem with anything from about a
quad-core or later, tho.
> Reminds be of the headaches I had with the install of Ubuntu 18.04 on
> this system because of a faulty memory module! And didn't help this was
> my first time trying to use UEFI so didn't know also needed a 'special'
> partition.
KM> Ouch. Yeah, one of those things we learn by deleting it. <g>
"This looks empty and I need the space." <delete> Oops!
The empty space, it not workee!
KM> ExplainingComputers lately demo'd building a NAS from a Pi, which
KM> was quite interesting. I forget which of the several options he
KM> used as the OS, but it wasn't real difficult. Or at least he
KM> explains well!! <g>
I'll have to sit down and see what's out there. Basics isn't that difficult; those little "we do this!" special stuff is sometimes of interest. Using a Pi has some interest: it's physically small and
doesn't use much power; power and enclosure for the hard drives could be
a small problem. Repurposing an old computer mostly solves that
(depends on the number and type of hard drive); could die of old age and have nothing.
I have the HDs to do it, and now system with SAS support, and a
4-holer hotswap bay... so all the body parts are present, if
scattered around the room. <g> Whether I'll ever do anything
more complicated than "let Windows do it" remains to be seen.
..Hmm: the RPi option is sounding interesting: I have 5v/12v power
supplies and a hard drive rack.......
Well, there ya go!
Yes and no. I haven't set up all of my computers with VNC because I
don't need to. Right now four are configured and as I recall the
initial configuration was rather easy -- couple of minutes at most.
(OK, so with forty computers that's a few hours.) After it's set up it
is a simple click.
I dunno VNC... but now I know who to ask. <g>
> KM> And how was YOUR day? :D
> Apparently better than yours!
KM> You shoulda seen my day when I thought the damn thing had bricked
KM> itself... was just about to No More Lenovos Ever.
Yet I've had pretty good luck with them. OTOH, I don't dig at 'em like
you do!
Dig up from the grave as the case was with this one... was
supposedly dead. Not dead, just slow boot like a server. Happy
birthday to me. <g>
It's blocking the view of your camera?! ...For some reason reminds me
of one of the LP guys at the store (how we got into this discussion I
have no idea!): he was talking to his girlfriend (video chat) late one night, apparently forgot to hang up when he put his phone down to go to bed. Discovered it was still on in the morning -- after he had changed 'in full view'. She wasn't on/awake at the time but he was a little embarrassed at the possibility. LIS, how that discussions started....
Hi Ky!
> KM> <g> Well do I remember the TV Zorro... Xorro is a Xeon. Now if they'd
> KM> named the CPU Zeon instead.....
> People would still mispronounce it!
KM> <choking noise>-on...
<chuckle> Thinking the German 'achtung'!
Could be. Half-recalling something about who was there first: if
Windows was there originally one thing happened but if Linux was there
first something else happened.
The Windows first rule didn't always work, though I am talking of
limited experiences over several years (so various version of Windows
and Ubuntu). Some refurbished computers here came with a Windows and it
got wiped out even though I tried to have it dual boot.
KM> Yeah, especially when three partitions and three boot menu items
KM> have have named themselves "WINDOWS". Took several boots to
KM> untangle which was which. I knew the middle one was Server, but
KM> you couldn't tell by looking!
_Which_ Windows?! Sort of reminds me of when I installed the snap
version of VLC Media player (default one didn't play some file but the
snap version did). Both default and snap had the little orange cone
icon, same label -- which one was which?
KM> Exactly. I could see it blowing off the video driver. But it had
KM> zero business going anywhere near GRUB. Mighta been something in
KM> the configuration manager that expected an OK at that point
KM> instead of a CANCEL, and left something open/unwritten... still
KM> had no business...
Possible incomplete/incorrect programming.
KM> Imagine the fun once the next version comes out... they've said
KM> Win10 will be the last version of Windows. Implying that 20 years
KM> after they first broached the idea (it's been around since the
KM> Win2K launch, and I saw this with my own eyes), they'll FINALLY
KM> get Windows to be a cloud service, not a local OS. Meaning
KM> everyone is locked into subscription mode, not only for the OS
KM> but perhaps also for data storage. Same thing Adobe and Autodesk
KM> have already done.
Half-thought: OK, so my computer works fine when I am able to connect to
the web, like normal. So what happens when I'm not able to connect.
like during a power failure, or the WiFi is encoded or the WiFi is
broken? (I have a HP notebook and its internal option is intermittant
at best.)
KM> Anyway, once that's a done deal, there'll be ZERO control over
KM> updates. You'll get the OS the cloud sends you, and like it.
I tend to start bristling at that! Might be just my "New Hampshire 'Live Free or Die' attitude", but some things you just don't tell me to do
without a darn good explanation I agree to. (I was raised in NH and
move to IA.)
KM> provide the official ISOs with less trouble. But none of those is
KM> the desired OEM-specific ISO, tho I've found a couple other OEM
KM> images floating around.
OK -- I probably should have checked further -- it's the thought that counts?!
> Winter project: I'll have to go through to see what I have - not just
> RAM but some old daughterboards. ...Probably not that much of interest
> in the RAM Dep't: recalling a bunch of small capacity units.
KM> I dunno, I can't see as far as your parts box. <g>
It's blocking the view of your camera?! ...For some reason reminds me
of one of the LP guys at the store (how we got into this discussion I
have no idea!): he was talking to his girlfriend (video chat) late one
night, apparently forgot to hang up when he put his phone down to go to
bed. Discovered it was still on in the morning -- after he had changed
'in full view'. She wasn't on/awake at the time but he was a little embarrassed at the possibility. LIS, how that discussions started....
> KM> This one is my first. It needs the Storport patch from Microsoft,
> KM> and an OS-specific driver. Which worked fine on XP64, and not at
> KM> all on Win7. Holy crap, I've never seen Windows do an autorevert
> KM> like THAT before... cycled through a bunch of angry screens and
> KM> finally did a full system restore... it was VERY unhappy... Well,
> KM> we won't try THAT again!!
> So it's true: computers _do_ get mad!
KM> Or at least Windows does!! Never have I seen so many error
KM> screens without anything locking up. One could regard its full
KM> recovery as miraculous. <g>
I guess!! You must live right!
KM> I don't think I can set it manually, but being even a few pixels
KM> off correct aspect ratio would drive my eyes to drink. Weirdly,
KM> the setting it picks is in correct ratio. (16xx by 9xx. But not
KM> an even number.)
I was initially thinking "16:9" so the "16xx:9xx" wasn't making sense.
Your pixel numbers are 16-hundred-something by nine hundred something. <Checking> 1600x900 is a 16:9 ratio ("High Definition Plus / HD+") --
might be a little more (or less) to accomodate for over- or
underscanning.
> Have read where there are problems with Hibernation.
KM> None of mine have any trouble with it. But it's been an issue
KM> with older laptops in particular. Does need proper hardware
KM> support. Shouldn't be a problem with anything from about a
KM> quad-core or later, tho.
My Lenovo laptop is 'only' dual core.
> > Reminds be of the headaches I had with the install of Ubuntu 18.04 on
> > this system because of a faulty memory module! And didn't help this was
> > my first time trying to use UEFI so didn't know also needed a 'special'
> > partition.
> KM> Ouch. Yeah, one of those things we learn by deleting it. <g>
> "This looks empty and I need the space." <delete> Oops!
KM> The empty space, it not workee!
But look at all that space I'll have when it does work again!!
KM> I have the HDs to do it, and now system with SAS support, and a
KM> 4-holer hotswap bay... so all the body parts are present, if
KM> scattered around the room. <g> Whether I'll ever do anything
KM> more complicated than "let Windows do it" remains to be seen.
Yes, I've semi-sorta collected the hardware as sales and interest
strikes me. Also considering using some old/small hard drives -- one considering is JBOD-ing them together, another is keeping individual but
sort of like partitions on a big capacity drive ==> small backup would
go to a small hard drive.
> ..Hmm: the RPi option is sounding interesting: I have 5v/12v power
> supplies and a hard drive rack.......
KM> Well, there ya go!
Wonder if I'll need that sequential start-up switch with all the hard drives?!
KM> I dunno VNC... but now I know who to ask. <g>
Wikipedia?!
KM> Dig up from the grave as the case was with this one... was
KM> supposedly dead. Not dead, just slow boot like a server. Happy
KM> birthday to me. <g>
It is rather fun when something that doesn't work can be fixed easily!
It's blocking the view of your camera?! ...For some reason reminds me
of one of the LP guys at the store (how we got into this discussion I
have no idea!): he was talking to his girlfriend (video chat) late one night, apparently forgot to hang up when he put his phone down to go to bed. Discovered it was still on in the morning -- after he had changed 'in full view'. She wasn't on/awake at the time but he was a little embarrassed at the possibility. LIS, how that discussions started....
My webcam has a blue light that illuminates when it is
"activated". So, that's something I watch. Or before bedtime, or
if I am "au natural", I will turn the webcam toward the ceiling.
Yet, I've heard of couples having mirrors above the bed on the
ceiling. :P
> KM> <g> Well do I remember the TV Zorro... Xorro is a Xeon. Now ifhey
d
> KM> named the CPU Zeon instead.....
> People would still mispronounce it!
KM> <choking noise>-on...
<chuckle> Thinking the German 'achtung'!
Nah, obviously not paying attention. <g>
Could be. Half-recalling something about who was there first: if
Windows was there originally one thing happened but if Linux was there
first something else happened.
Yeah, in the olden days Windows always had to be installed first,
and oldest to newest. Now I'm not sure it makes any difference.
The Windows first rule didn't always work, though I am talking of
limited experiences over several years (so various version of Windows
and Ubuntu). Some refurbished computers here came with a Windows and it
got wiped out even though I tried to have it dual boot.
I used to frequent a forum where people often griped about
Windows suddenly failing to boot. In every case, they'd been
dual-booting with linux. I call this "learning from others'
misfortunes" and have not had a mixed-species boot since Argo's
Red Hat/Win95 setup, installed in 1995 (eventually RH lost its
password, which was "password" and wouldn't boot at all, and was
made to go away. However Win95 remained solid for all the years
until Argo was finally retired, end of 2011.)
KM> Yeah, especially when three partitions and three boot menu items
KM> have have named themselves "WINDOWS". Took several boots to
KM> untangle which was which. I knew the middle one was Server, but
KM> you couldn't tell by looking!
_Which_ Windows?! Sort of reminds me of when I installed the snap
version of VLC Media player (default one didn't play some file but the
snap version did). Both default and snap had the little orange cone
icon, same label -- which one was which?
Oh yeah, have had that sort of thing too.. which of several
icons? Which drive was it on again??
KM> Exactly. I could see it blowing off the video driver. But it had
KM> zero business going anywhere near GRUB. Mighta been something in
KM> the configuration manager that expected an OK at that point
KM> instead of a CANCEL, and left something open/unwritten... still
KM> had no business...
Possible incomplete/incorrect programming.
Bingo. This is the hazard of having unfinished features, which
was like as not the root of the problem.
KM> Imagine the fun once the next version comes out... they've said
KM> Win10 will be the last version of Windows. Implying that 20 years
KM> after they first broached the idea (it's been around since the
KM> Win2K launch, and I saw this with my own eyes), they'll FINALLY
KM> get Windows to be a cloud service, not a local OS. Meaning
KM> everyone is locked into subscription mode, not only for the OS
KM> but perhaps also for data storage. Same thing Adobe and Autodesk
KM> have already done.
Half-thought: OK, so my computer works fine when I am able to connect to
the web, like normal. So what happens when I'm not able to connect.
like during a power failure, or the WiFi is encoded or the WiFi is
broken? (I have a HP notebook and its internal option is intermittant
at best.)
EXACTLY!!!
And I'm like... no way in hell.
At the aforementioned launch were some 1000 IT pros. During the presentation, they all developed identical angry frowns. (I was
off to one side near the front and had a fine view of the
audience.)
KM> Anyway, once that's a done deal, there'll be ZERO control over
KM> updates. You'll get the OS the cloud sends you, and like it.
I tend to start bristling at that! Might be just my "New Hampshire 'Live Free or Die' attitude", but some things you just don't tell me to do
without a darn good explanation I agree to. (I was raised in NH and
move to IA.)
Yep. Being of the Westerner stripe, my reaction is, "Oh yeah? Try
and make me."
KM> provide the official ISOs with less trouble. But none of those is
KM> the desired OEM-specific ISO, tho I've found a couple other OEM
KM> images floating around.
OK -- I probably should have checked further -- it's the thought that counts?!
<grin> If only thinking could instantly install the OS of our
choice, with all the desired features... I know! I'll call it
Telepathy. <g>
> Winter project: I'll have to go through to see what I have - not just
> RAM but some old daughterboards. ...Probably not that much of interest
> in the RAM Dep't: recalling a bunch of small capacity units.
KM> I dunno, I can't see as far as your parts box. <g>
It's blocking the view of your camera?! ...For some reason reminds me
It's that tall??!
KM> I don't think I can set it manually, but being even a few pixels
KM> off correct aspect ratio would drive my eyes to drink. Weirdly,
KM> the setting it picks is in correct ratio. (16xx by 9xx. But not
KM> an even number.)
I was initially thinking "16:9" so the "16xx:9xx" wasn't making sense.
Your pixel numbers are 16-hundred-something by nine hundred something. <Checking> 1600x900 is a 16:9 ratio ("High Definition Plus / HD+") --
might be a little more (or less) to accomodate for over- or
underscanning.
Methinks I'd rather not have it blowing off the driver, because
who knows what that might do under the hood.
> Have read where there are problems with Hibernation.
KM> None of mine have any trouble with it. But it's been an issue
KM> with older laptops in particular. Does need proper hardware
KM> support. Shouldn't be a problem with anything from about a
KM> quad-core or later, tho.
My Lenovo laptop is 'only' dual core.
Which is basically the same chip, just didn't test as good and
got set to two cores. Anything with more than one real core, I
should have said. Hyperthreading is not real cores. Anyway it's
the chipset that counts (same one supports duo or quad), and it
shouldn't have a problem.
One of the Dells has an oversized recovery partition, and I wound
up putting all sorts of junk in there as storage...
KM> I have the HDs to do it, and now system with SAS support, and a
KM> 4-holer hotswap bay... so all the body parts are present, if
KM> scattered around the room. <g> Whether I'll ever do anything
KM> more complicated than "let Windows do it" remains to be seen.
Yes, I've semi-sorta collected the hardware as sales and interest
strikes me. Also considering using some old/small hard drives -- one considering is JBOD-ing them together, another is keeping individual but sort of like partitions on a big capacity drive ==> small backup would
go to a small hard drive.
I make images of small drives and store them on a big drive. <g>
> ..Hmm: the RPi option is sounding interesting: I have 5v/12v power
> supplies and a hard drive rack.......
KM> Well, there ya go!
Wonder if I'll need that sequential start-up switch with all the hard drives?!
At least with iStarUSA (my preferred brand) the multi-bay
external units do it automagically. That's the only reason they
have circuitry at all. The single-bay units are just
pass-through.
KM> I dunno VNC... but now I know who to ask. <g>
Wikipedia?!
Some bloke on a BBS. <g>
KM> Dig up from the grave as the case was with this one... was
KM> supposedly dead. Not dead, just slow boot like a server. Happy
KM> birthday to me. <g>
It is rather fun when something that doesn't work can be fixed easily!
Such as by turning it on! <g>
<chuckle> Thinking the German 'achtung'!
Nah, obviously not paying attention. <g>
Yeah, in the olden days Windows always had to be installed first, and oldest to newest. Now I'm not sure it makes any difference.
I used to frequent a forum where people often griped about Windows suddenly failing to boot. In every case, they'd been dual-booting with linux. I call this "learning from others' misfortunes" and have not had
a mixed-species boot since Argo's Red Hat/Win95 setup, installed in
1995 (eventually RH lost its password, which was "password" and
wouldn't boot at all, and was made to go away. However Win95 remained solid for all the years until Argo was finally retired, end of 2011.)
Bingo. This is the hazard of having unfinished features, which was like
as not the root of the problem.
<grin> If only thinking could instantly install the OS of our choice,
with all the desired features... I know! I'll call it Telepathy. <g>
of one of the LP guys at the store (how we got into this discussion I
have no idea!): he was talking to his girlfriend (video chat) late one night, apparently forgot to hang up when he put his phone down to go to
bed. Discovered it was still on in the morning -- after he had changed
'in full view'. She wasn't on/awake at the time but he was a little embarrassed at the possibility. LIS, how that discussions started....
WHOOPS!
Wikipedia?!
Some bloke on a BBS. <g>
It is rather fun when something that doesn't work can be fixed easily!
Such as by turning it on! <g>
Ky,
> <chuckle> Thinking the German 'achtung'!
KM> Nah, obviously not paying attention. <g>
All I could think of was "A German Sneeze", or "Hogan's Heroes". <G> Werner Klemperer (Colonel Klink) lamented that his character would be
what he was remembered for. Yet, he and his father were excellent
orchestral conductors. I remember a radio commercial several years
ago for National Semiconductor, where this woman noted "My favorite
National Semiconductor is Leonard Bernstein". <G>
KM> Yeah, in the olden days Windows always had to be installed first, and
KM> oldest to newest. Now I'm not sure it makes any difference.
It was also so much easier years ago, and didn't take as long. The
2004 Update to Windows 10 took nearly 8 hours to download, install,
and do all the necessary reboots.
KM> 1995 (eventually RH lost its password, which was "password" and
KM> wouldn't boot at all, and was made to go away. However Win95 remained
KM> solid for all the years until Argo was finally retired, end of 2011.)
I think of the meme where the guy says he's going to change is password to "incorrect", as he keeps getting a message saying "Your Password is incorrect".:P
It happens to all of us. Three things fail as we get older. The first is memory ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... darn!! I forgot the other two!! <G>
KM> Some bloke on a BBS. <g>
Plenty of those around. <G>
> It is rather fun when something that doesn't work can be fixed easily!
KM> Such as by turning it on! <g>
Or you plug the power strip into itself, and wonder why it doesn't work. :P
Hi Ky!
Don't recall that but probably did it accidentally: any
machine I had a Windows on was going to be one that was refurbished,
so probably an older version, maybe updated. Ubuntu would be the
latetst LTS version,so automatically older to newer.
Yes, I've done a lot of 'learn from others'. ...Someone's probably
going to gripe about your password being 'password' but doesn't
matter
as have to be in range. Someone made the joke here that if I
started seeing a bunch of cars parked outside the house I'd better
change the WiFi password!
KM> icons? Which drive was it on again??Oh yeah, have had that sort of thing too.. which of several
BTDT!! I've put a file called "WhatIsThis" is some subdirs so I
could find what it did or why it was created. Usually used the
extension '.BJM' for a further indicator I created that file.
Windows (at least the old ones when I used it) needed to be told .BJM
was a text file;
Linux just knows.
Possible incomplete/incorrect programming.
Bingo. This is the hazard of having unfinished features, which
was like as not the root of the problem.
I C:/ <bseg>
Yes, have run into a few of those. And have sometimes seen where
there's an exchange between a user and the author where the author
states he's just not interested enough in that feature/option to do
it, or admits it's beyond his capabilities.
I've got a notebook computer which seems to have that issue. It is
set to dual boot between Windows-something (10? - it did that sneaky
upgrade people were in an uproar over maybe three years back) and
Ubuntu 18.04. Haven't tested with Windows but with Ubuntu it needs to
be connected to The Internet to complete booting, otherwise the
screne gets to a certain point and the sceen semi-randomly blinks and
the HDD LED indicates constant access. Plug in an Ethernet cable -
boots fine.
The internal WiFi on this unit is intermittent so has a dongle
added. Apparently the boot issues occurs before the driver is
loaded.
<continue with Windows via Cloud>
And I'm like... no way in hell.
At the aforementioned launch were some 1000 IT pros. During the presentation, they all developed identical angry frowns. (I was
off to one side near the front and had a fine view of the
audience.)
It's kind of funny when everyone comes up with the same conclusion!
There are good and bad things about The Cloud. Might make things a
lot easier with 'everyone on the same page': utilities up-to-date and
so compatible (assuming the machine can use -- 64-bit utility on a
32-bit machine...). Well, that might be processed 'in the Sky' and
just the end result sent out (seeing some problems with that too!).
<grin> If only thinking could instantly install the OS of ourchoice, with all the desired features... I know! I'll call it
Telepathy. <g>
Let's float that idea to the flagpole and see who salutes!
I have a bad habit of sometimes playing 'Stack'.....
Methinks I'd rather not have it blowing off the driver, because
who knows what that might do under the hood.
Yes, I've created
some problems trying to repair a problem. Some repair projects get a
delayed start until I have a backup in place just in case 'poop
occurs'.
Possibly why the BIOS for this motherboard has switches to control
the various cores. Initially I'm thinking why would someone want to
shut off a core (it's an 8-core CPU)? Probably more the other way:
allow an overclocker to turn on a core and maybe use a quad-core as a quint-core.
One of the Dells has an oversized recovery partition, and Iwound KM> up putting all sorts of junk in there as storage...
Sneaky hiding place for private data too!
I was semi-playing around with 'split' systems. In the past have
used two hard drives: one for the boot and the OS, the other for
data. This time figure to try the boot/OS drive as one of those
solid state critters, potentially some problems so left the data on
the 'rust drive' as you call it. Was also thinking along your lines:
not necessarily hide stuff but use the 'excess' space for don't-need-too-often storage. Never did (or at least not so far) use
the extra space on the SSD but did find I was running a little low on
the space I allocated for the OS. Multiple backups to what I already
have - just in case! -- and delete one of the 'sneaky' partitions on
the SSD and expand the OS partation in to it. Worked without problem (whew!!).
I make images of small drives and store them on a big drive. <g>
And then an image of the big drive on an even bigger drive! I don't
play around with operating systems like you do so no real need to do
the imaging. For you it makes sense.
<g>) The half-baked build-your-own NSA project here is considering
use of several old/small hard drives for storage. Some might be
clobbered together under JBOD, though if one fails they all
effectively fail.
Might be better to use as individual drives and/or store
non-critical
data. As far as the power draw, was a semi-consideration -- inital
project was sort of thinking the unit in a computer case, so use a
ATX PSU. The use of an RPi put a bit of a twist on the PSU aspect --
woiuld definitely need an external supply, which could be that 5v/12v
one I have -- if able to supply the necessary start-up current.
:) ...So did I provide a usuable introductory explanation in anI dunno VNC... but now I know who to ask. <g> Wikipedia?!Some bloke on a BBS. <g>
earlier message?
Dig up from the grave as the case was with this one... was KM>supposedly dead. Not dead, just slow boot like a server. Happy KM>
birthday to me. <g> It is rather fun when something that doesn't
work can be fixed easily!
Such as by turning it on! <g>
Some times they just need the rest!
.. Anyone with "cloisterphobia" should not consider becoming a monk.
Huh, I didn't know that. I knew he did stuff outside of TV, tho what
had never penetrated (or didn't stick). Wonder if there are any recordings?
ago for National Semiconductor, where this woman noted "My favorite
National Semiconductor is Leonard Bernstein". <G>
LOL! Good one.
It was also so much easier years ago, and didn't take as long. The
2004 Update to Windows 10 took nearly 8 hours to download, install,
and do all the necessary reboots.
Yeah, basically it downloads and installs a whole new monkey.....
http://www.wholenewmonkey.com
[Yes, I registered the domain just to house this silly joke.]
Someday you'll wake up to discover it's downloaded a cloud OS, is demanding a subscription fee, and until you pay up, nothing works.
I think of the meme where the guy says he's going to change is passwordo
"incorrect", as he keeps getting a message saying "Your Password is incorrect".:P
LOL, I may have to use that one!
I make things even easier nowadays. What is your root password? "root"
I hate typing passwords. One of these days I'll get around to turning
it off entirely. Ain't no one else here to muck things up.
It happens to all of us. Three things fail as we get older. The first is memory ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... darn!! I forgot the other two!! <G>
There were two??!
Some bloke on a BBS. <g>
Plenty of those around. <G>
<looks around> Oh my. Where did YOU come from??
Or you plug the power strip into itself, and wonder why it doesn't work.:P
Electrical circle jerk. <g>
I've never managed that one, but with a new PC build, when I first fire
it up to test, I have invariably forgotten to plug in something vital. Often the power. <g>
Don't recall that but probably did it accidentally: any
machine I had a Windows on was going to be one that was refurbished,
so probably an older version, maybe updated. Ubuntu would be the
latest LTS version, so automatically older to newer.
So no worries! <g>
Yes, I've done a lot of 'learn from others'. ...Someone's probably
going to gripe about your password being 'password' but doesn't
matter
Doesn't matter since no one else is going to stick their grimy
fingers on my keyboard, and if some network attack is as far as
needing password input, it's already too late. With recent
installs I disable it entirely, if I can. (Some distros won't let
you.)
as have to be in range. Someone made the joke here that if I
started seeing a bunch of cars parked outside the house I'd better
change the WiFi password!
When your street looks like a parking lot, you're really in
trouble... now that every new car has wifi, it's amusing to turn
on the unloved cellphone's wifi and watch the endless parade of
unsecured wireless going by on the highway. (Also amazing that it
has enough range to see them at all.)
KM> icons? Which drive was it on again??Oh yeah, have had that sort of thing too.. which of several
And sometimes I don't realize I'm using the one on the wrong
drive until one day I need to twiddle something on disk and...
what do you mean, I'm running the copy in D:\storage instead of
the one in C:\Utility ?? Or worse... what do you mean, you're
running the copy from over on \\Bullet\F:\Utility??
Especially with Win7 and Aero active -- it lets you move stuff
around on disk and Aero keeps track. (If you disable Aero, this
does not work.) Pretty soon you don't know where any of your
shortcuts point, even tho they still point at the right program!!
It's the one feature that endeared Aero to me (otherwise I can't
stand it, because I can't get eye-restful colors) because it
tolerated my dragging stuff around without troubling to
reinstall, AND without editing the wandering program's shortcut.
BTDT!! I've put a file called "WhatIsThis" is some subdirs so I
could find what it did or why it was created. Usually used the
extension '.BJM' for a further indicator I created that file.
Windows (at least the old ones when I used it) needed to be told .BJM
was a text file;
Oh yeah, now I have textfiles in the root of every drive, so I
can see where I am even if it's non-obvious (or I'm oblivious).
No content, just need the filename to tell me where I am. Eg. Silver_C_WD500.txt
Linux just knows.
I'd like to know how it just knows!
Possible incomplete/incorrect programming.I C:/ <bseg>
Bingo. This is the hazard of having unfinished features, which
was like as not the root of the problem.
Time to upgrade your compiler. <g>
Yes, have run into a few of those. And have sometimes seen where
there's an exchange between a user and the author where the author
states he's just not interested enough in that feature/option to do
it, or admits it's beyond his capabilities.
Too bad more of these don't get picked up by better/more
interested programmers.
That's actually why all the sudden improvements in ReactOS --
lately got the attention of a bunch of programmers with time on
their hands, and they fixed/improved more stuff in the past year
than the one-man-band-and-occasional-help managed in the previous
two decades. Those of us who've been keeping an eye on it are
suitably grateful. <g>
I've got a notebook computer which seems to have that issue. It is
set to dual boot between Windows-something (10? - it did that sneaky
upgrade people were in an uproar over maybe three years back) and
Ubuntu 18.04. Haven't tested with Windows but with Ubuntu it needs to
be connected to The Internet to complete booting, otherwise the
screen gets to a certain point and the sceen semi-randomly blinks and
the HDD LED indicates constant access. Plug in an Ethernet cable -
boots fine.
That's nasty; I'll consider myself warned!!
The internal WiFi on this unit is intermittent so has a dongle(Guess I mentioned that already!)
added. Apparently the boot issues occurs before the driver is
loaded.
So far I haven't run into goofy onboard wifi, but have had a
couple NICs croak... you might check if the wifi card is loose,
or its antenna is loose. Usually you can get to 'em easily as
it's typically a card in a slot (meaning it's also easily
replaced, relatively speaking) with its own door, since the slot
can also accommodate those micro SSD drives.
<continue with Windows via Cloud>
And I'm like... no way in hell.
At the aforementioned launch were some 1000 IT pros. During the presentation, they all developed identical angry frowns. (I was
off to one side near the front and had a fine view of the
audience.)It's kind of funny when everyone comes up with the same conclusion!
Oh yeah. But seems so obvious if you have the first clue about
business vs its necessary reliability. Someone in the same era
figured out that downtime for big business could cost as much as
$8 million per MINUTE... so building in even brief cloud-caused
downtimes was out of the question. And considering how much sheer
waiting around one did on that era's broadbland (typo, I swear!)
it would have been a very costly switch even with zero downtime.
Which was flamingly obvious to everyone in the room, except for
the hapless Microsoft presenter. (Who was a nice guy, but a true
believer in The Future Is Cloud. Sadly, he may have been right,
if premature.)
There are good and bad things about The Cloud. Might make things a
lot easier with 'everyone on the same page': utilities up-to-date and
so compatible (assuming the machine can use -- 64-bit utility on a
32-bit machine...). Well, that might be processed 'in the Sky' and
just the end result sent out (seeing some problems with that too!).
Yep. And it's becoming forced, first by Adobe and Autodesk with
their subscription-only models, and soon enough by Windows. My
sister's architectural firm is already all cloud-based, because
by way of their necessary software, going cloud is now state of
the art, and if you're not up to date on everything, you can and
will be sued into a culvert the first time anything goes majorly
wrong and some shyster can claim you weren't using "supported,
industry standard" everything. (They don't even keep older
company cars, same reason.)
Which is how I came to have a stack of 5 year old PCs, and the
titular giant server. Out of support means too much liability
(especially when your projects are budgeted in multiple millions
of dollars), so out the door they go.
<grin> If only thinking could instantly install the OS of ourchoice, with all the desired features... I know! I'll call it
Telepathy. <g>
Let's float that idea to the flagpole and see who salutes!
Wait, why is DOS up on the flagpole??
I have a bad habit of sometimes playing 'Stack'.....
Mine are more like "randomly piled". <g>
Not even that, but that should it change its mind about
resolution while I'm doing something, I could wind up with
unfortunate clicks. This is why I turn off ALL the sliding and
fading everything on linux, because it can and DOES capture the
wrong click (Windows tends to have a more definite time boundary
for click vs menu, but I've still seen the problem there).
Possibly why the BIOS for this motherboard has switches to control
the various cores. Initially I'm thinking why would someone want to
shut off a core (it's an 8-core CPU)? Probably more the other way:
allow an overclocker to turn on a core and maybe use a quad-core as a quint-core.
If it's actually a 6-core (never heard of 5-core!) then you might
be able to enable 'em (I gather there are BIOS hacks to do this
for some CPUs). I don't know why you'd want to disable one, tho.
But hyperthreading is still not cores. Paladin's old single-core
P4 gets displayed by Windows as 2 cores, but it's not -- it's
just got hyperthreading.
One of the Dells has an oversized recovery partition, and Iwound KM> up putting all sorts of junk in there as storage...
Sneaky hiding place for private data too!
Especially if the partition is hidden <g>
I was semi-playing around with 'split' systems. In the past have
used two hard drives: one for the boot and the OS, the other for
data. This time figure to try the boot/OS drive as one of those
solid state critters, potentially some problems so left the data on
the 'rust drive' as you call it. Was also thinking along your lines:
not necessarily hide stuff but use the 'excess' space for don't-need-too-often storage. Never did (or at least not so far) use
the extra space on the SSD but did find I was running a little low on
the space I allocated for the OS. Multiple backups to what I already
have - just in case! -- and delete one of the 'sneaky' partitions on
the SSD and expand the OS partation in to it. Worked without problem (whew!!).
Oh yeah... for some reason I've forgotten (except that at the
time I was still doing a DOS boot partition), Bullet has 3 small
FAT32 partitions before it gets to the larger XP64/NTFS
partition. Good thing I haven't run out of space on the NTFS
partition... tho I sure have found a lot of junk to put on D: and
E: !!
Also, I like to have the swapfile on its own partition, along
with any browser cache or other wastes of space, to confine
fragmentation.
I make images of small drives and store them on a big drive. <g>And then an image of the big drive on an even bigger drive! I don't
YES!
play around with operating systems like you do so no real need to do
the imaging. For you it makes sense.
Oh, this is not so much for the OS as for the complex tangle of
software that eventually inhabits the OS. Egads!!
<g>) The half-baked build-your-own NSA project here is considering
use of several old/small hard drives for storage. Some might be
clobbered together under JBOD, though if one fails they all
effectively fail.
EEEP!!!
Might be better to use as individual drives and/or store
non-critical
I spent six months rebuilding 14,000 image files for a friend
who'd had his data on a RAID system (some species of linux),
since the best that professional data recovery could do was still
a mess. Me, I ain't NEVER doing any kind of striped,
cobbled-together, or other fragmented-among-the-hardware file
storage. I am not a busy commercial server that needs the
performance boost, and for me it is not worth the risk.
data. As far as the power draw, was a semi-consideration -- inital
project was sort of thinking the unit in a computer case, so use a
ATX PSU. The use of an RPi put a bit of a twist on the PSU aspect --
would definitely need an external supply, which could be that 5v/12v
one I have -- if able to supply the necessary start-up current.
My brain hurts. What would such a creature do for a living?
:) ...So did I provide a usuable introductory explanation in anI dunno VNC... but now I know who to ask. <g> Wikipedia?!Some bloke on a BBS. <g>
earlier message?
Uh, somewhere... kinda cross between remote desktop and Mouse
Without Borders... or so I gather...
Some times they just need the rest!Dig up from the grave as the case was with this one... was KM>supposedly dead. Not dead, just slow boot like a server. Happy KM>
birthday to me. <g> It is rather fun when something that doesn't
work can be fixed easily!
Such as by turning it on! <g>
That was the old method for fixing CDROM drives -- power 'em down overnight and sometimes they'd get unconfused and work again.
Hi Ky!
Here I also don't get too concerned about LAN machine passwords either.
Out into the real world am more cautious, but a lot of times what I
consider a simple/easy password the password integrity bots indicate are rather secure.
KM> When your street looks like a parking lot, you're really in
KM> trouble... now that every new car has wifi, it's amusing to turn
KM> on the unloved cellphone's wifi and watch the endless parade of
KM> unsecured wireless going by on the highway. (Also amazing that it
KM> has enough range to see them at all.)
Well that's one way of being entertained! Haven't thought of that, plus generally drive so don't want to be looking at that cell phone app when
should be paying attention to the road. ...There is someone around here
(the neighbourhood) with an odd SSID: "I can haz internet toos". Yup,
spaces and all! ...Not on currently so can't find their signal
strength.
KM> what do you mean, I'm running the copy in D:\storage instead of
KM> the one in C:\Utility ?? Or worse... what do you mean, you're
KM> running the copy from over on \\Bullet\F:\Utility??
Yup: BTDT. Have made a work directory and for trying to make it easy
have simply copied so the work directories and file names are the same
as the original. ...Oops! How'd I get to working in the original area
when I should be in the work area?! Backups are a good thing to have!!
KM> Especially with Win7 and Aero active -- it lets you move stuff
KM> around on disk and Aero keeps track. (If you disable Aero, this
KM> does not work.) Pretty soon you don't know where any of your
KM> shortcuts point, even tho they still point at the right program!!
I got to where I wanted to go! I have no idea how I got there, but I'm
there!
KM> It's the one feature that endeared Aero to me (otherwise I can't
KM> stand it, because I can't get eye-restful colors) because it
KM> tolerated my dragging stuff around without troubling to
KM> reinstall, AND without editing the wandering program's shortcut.
Probably creates some sort of a virtual drive and when you want to use a programme the programme is working on its original home, you just think you're working elsewehere. Being relly virtual!
KM> Oh yeah, now I have textfiles in the root of every drive, so I
KM> can see where I am even if it's non-obvious (or I'm oblivious).
KM> No content, just need the filename to tell me where I am. Eg.
KM> Silver_C_WD500.txt
Yup. 0 bytes is fine as long as it tells me where I am.
For a while I was running three MythTV Backends. All three (or maybe
just the first two) Desktops were the same (because running the same
Ubuntu version), so that didn't help. Could have changed the picture
but a lot of times whatever I was doing was covering most of the Desktop
so that wouldn't have helped. Finally created a Desktop icon; didn't go anywhere but did show whare I was.
To semi-further complicate things I use one monitor off an HDMI switch.
Had different keyboards amd mice and those were identified -- how come
my mouse isn't working? Oh - wrong video input!
> Linux just knows.
KM> I'd like to know how it just knows!
The Shadow Knows!!
>> Possible incomplete/incorrect programming.
> KM> Bingo. This is the hazard of having unfinished features, which
> KM> was like as not the root of the problem.
> I C:/ <bseg>
KM> Time to upgrade your compiler. <g>
Time to upgrade my brain so I understand the complier!
> Yes, have run into a few of those. And have sometimes seen where
> there's an exchange between a user and the author where the author
> states he's just not interested enough in that feature/option to do
> it, or admits it's beyond his capabilities.
KM> Too bad more of these don't get picked up by better/more
KM> interested programmers.
They're creating their own!
My old laptop doesn't have that issue (fortunately!!). Back to the
notebook, not sure if the problem is something with the built-in WiFi as
even after booting it will randomly disconnect (which is why I got the
dongle in the first place).
I'll have to eventually check that. Initially I was thinking of
replacing the WiFi module with one that will do both bands but then was reminded the antenna would probably be wrong as designed for the 2.4 GHz
band only. Seems like there was another problem. Anyway, plugging in
the dual-band dongle was the safer option, though I did forget about the driver having to be loaded for it to work. (Driver loads and works
fine, just need to load the kernel first and the kernel needs to
connect....)
Some things are very easy doodled on paper and get very difficult with attempting the actual implementation. I've seen posts in StackOverflow
where the desired result seems fairly simple: should be able to add a
grep here and a &2> there to get the desired output. Thirty lines of
code later....
Yup: sometimes one is forced to 'go with the flow' even though it's
wrong. You and I might be able to get by using old/antiquated software
but companies can't, partially/mostly because of support. Probably a
good example is when they don't "keep up": pretty soon they're left
behind, forced to use a 286 because their software won't run on anything newer.
> KM> <grin> If only thinking could instantly install the OS of our
KM> choice, with all the desired features... I know! I'll call it
KM> Telepathy. <g>
> Let's float that idea to the flagpole and see who salutes!
Insert 'saaaaalute!' from the old Hee-Haw show. :)
KM> Wait, why is DOS up on the flagpole??
It rose above the others?
> I have a bad habit of sometimes playing 'Stack'.....KM> Mine are more like "randomly piled". <g>
What I usually wanted was on the bottom and I was getting tired
(pronounced 'annoyed') with taking off the ones on top to get to the one
I wanted.
KM> Not even that, but that should it change its mind about
KM> resolution while I'm doing something, I could wind up with
KM> unfortunate clicks. This is why I turn off ALL the sliding and
KM> fading everything on linux, because it can and DOES capture the
KM> wrong click (Windows tends to have a more definite time boundary
KM> for click vs menu, but I've still seen the problem there).
I tend to not like the 'fancy stuff' so the pretty graphic effects are
turned off fairly quickly. OK, I will admit they are interesting for a little while, just because it's new. After that, let's get to work!
KM> If it's actually a 6-core (never heard of 5-core!) then you might
KM> be able to enable 'em (I gather there are BIOS hacks to do this
KM> for some CPUs). I don't know why you'd want to disable one, tho.
No longer working properly? IOW failed. Sort of like using a battery
adapter to make an AAA fit because out of AA's.
Basically a tube the size of the larger battery the smaller battery fits
in to.
KM> But hyperthreading is still not cores. Paladin's old single-core
KM> P4 gets displayed by Windows as 2 cores, but it's not -- it's
KM> just got hyperthreading.
Right: essentially make one do the work of two.
Lots of storage space is good!
KM> Also, I like to have the swapfile on its own partition, along
KM> with any browser cache or other wastes of space, to confine
KM> fragmentation.
I was trying to find where my swap file is. System Monitor says it's 32
GiB but I didn't see anything around that size. ...Ah! I put it on the
hard drive (I was looking at the the SSD): the old rule was not to have something that constantly changed on a solid state drive so I put it on
the rusted one.
> KM> I make images of small drives and store them on a big drive. <g>
> And then an image of the big drive on an even bigger drive! I don't
KM> YES!
And then -- even bigger?!
> play around with operating systems like you do so no real need to do
> the imaging. For you it makes sense.
KM> Oh, this is not so much for the OS as for the complex tangle of
KM> software that eventually inhabits the OS. Egads!!
I get confused enough with this one OS!
KM> I spent six months rebuilding 14,000 image files for a friend
KM> who'd had his data on a RAID system (some species of linux),
KM> since the best that professional data recovery could do was still
KM> a mess. Me, I ain't NEVER doing any kind of striped,
KM> cobbled-together, or other fragmented-among-the-hardware file
KM> storage. I am not a busy commercial server that needs the
KM> performance boost, and for me it is not worth the risk.
I have made DVD and external hard drive backups of portions of the NAS.
>> KM> I dunno VNC... but now I know who to ask. <g> Wikipedia?!
> KM> Some bloke on a BBS. <g>
> :) ...So did I provide a usuable introductory explanation in an
> earlier message?
KM> Uh, somewhere... kinda cross between remote desktop and Mouse
KM> Without Borders... or so I gather...
BTW, VNC will not support audio, or at least the 'VNC Server' I'm using
here has that 'error' message. Not really an error message as the icon
of the speaker has a line through it and when hover that message comes
up. Maybe there is a higher level version that includes audio.
> Some times they just need the rest!
KM> That was the old method for fixing CDROM drives -- power 'em down
KM> overnight and sometimes they'd get unconfused and work again.
Wonder if the 'unconfusion' was simply a discharge of capacitors?
.. Older people are just younger people later in their lives.
Ky,
KM> Huh, I didn't know that. I knew he did stuff outside of TV, tho what
KM> had never penetrated (or didn't stick). Wonder if there are any
KM> recordings?
You would have to check with the local classical music station, or
with "Performance Today". I think their website is yourclassical.org
> ago for National Semiconductor, where this woman noted "My favorite
> National Semiconductor is Leonard Bernstein". <G>
KM> LOL! Good one.
Wonder if they got a shock from the baton?? :P
KM> http://www.wholenewmonkey.com
KM> [Yes, I registered the domain just to house this silly joke.]
You have too much time on your hands. :P
KM> Someday you'll wake up to discover it's downloaded a cloud OS, is
KM> demanding a subscription fee, and until you pay up, nothing works.
That'd be my luck. Reminds of the deal at a local Wal-Mart the other
day. Apparently, this individual had stolen a phone or gift card...but without activating it at the register, it basically was a brick.
Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it helps mask the noise. However, it may not work for blondes. :P
KM> I make things even easier nowadays. What is your root password? "root"
You might as well as get a beer to go with it. <G>
KM> I hate typing passwords. One of these days I'll get around to turning
KM> it off entirely. Ain't no one else here to muck things up.
I have a password manager for all my internet stuff. But, that reminds me
Anyway, I was at my girlfriend's apartment, and wanting to logon. I dialed the number, connected, and it got to the logon prompt. I hit the function key on the keyboard...and nothing happened.
I hit it again...nothing.
Then it hit me like a ton of bricks...
"You're not at the host console. You don't know your logon credentials. You can't logon to your OWN BBS"!!. So, the initials DS stood for "Dumb
$*!+" :P
> It happens to all of us. Three things fail as we get older. The first is
> memory ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... darn!! I forgot the other
> two!! <G>
KM> There were two??!
Memory was first...but I don't remember the others. What was this thread about, anyway?? :P
> KM> Some bloke on a BBS. <g>
> Plenty of those around. <G>
KM> <looks around> Oh my. Where did YOU come from??
WARNING!! Alarm indicates that Sysop is in the area!! Look Innocent!! <G>
and he asks Billie, the Net Control (her husband's name was K.O.) "Do you know Morse Code??". She typed "Yes, and I know a lot of other things as well!!".
I was about to die laughing!! <BG>
One ham radio operator said that one this other ham radio operator wanted help getting his radio (which was plugged in and turned on) to work. He said "it took all he had to NOT type 'Key the Push To Talk on the Microphone'" <G>.
You would have to check with the local classical music station, or
with "Performance Today". I think their website is yourclassical.org
Huh, that's an interesting site, thanks!
Wonder if they got a shock from the baton?? :P
ZAP! You in the second strings, pay attention!
You have too much time on your hands. :P
And too many weird ideas. <g>
That'd be my luck. Reminds of the deal at a local Wal-Mart the other
day. Apparently, this individual had stolen a phone or gift card...but without activating it at the register, it basically was a brick.
Ooops!!
I have discovered a nifty trick with Win10, which at least sometimes works... You know how Win10 insists that you pay up (seriously??) and activate before it'll let you customize it, or even switch to the dark theme? Disconnect internet before installing. Do your customizing. NOW connect to net. It will behave as if it's activated, even tho it's not.
Enough duct tape silences anyone. <g>
You might as well as get a beer to go with it. <G>
LOL... rootbeer, yeah. <g>
I have a password manager for all my internet stuff. But, that reminds me
I let the browser remember, except for a couple of super-secure ones.
"You're not at the host console. You don't know your logon credentials. You can't logon to your OWN BBS"!!. So, the initials DS stood for "Dumb $*!+" :P
LOL!! Oh dear.. the solution was so clever that it created its own problem! :D :D :D
Memory was first...but I don't remember the others. What was this thread about, anyway?? :P
You're asking me??
Wait, what does innocent look like??
and he asks Billie, the Net Control (her husband's name was K.O.) "Do you know Morse Code??". She typed "Yes, and I know a lot of other things as well!!".
I was about to die laughing!! <BG>
<snork>
One ham radio operator said that one this other ham radio operator wanted help getting his radio (which was plugged in and turned on) to work. He said "it took all he had to NOT type 'Key the Push To Talk on the Microphone'"<G>.
Paging Captain Obvious!!!
Here I also don't get too concerned about LAN machine passwords either.
Out into the real world am more cautious, but a lot of times what I
consider a simple/easy password the password integrity bots indicate are rather secure.
Conventional wisdom is that to be secure, you need passwords with
upper and lower case letters, numbers, and symbols. Well, turns
out when this was actually challenged... such passwords are no
more difficult to crack than if they're, say, all lowercase
letters. The most difficult were nonsense phrases like
"Barryisameanie" or "mybanksucksdeadfish".
KM> When your street looks like a parking lot, you're really in
KM> trouble... now that every new car has wifi, it's amusing to turn
KM> on the unloved cellphone's wifi and watch the endless parade of
KM> unsecured wireless going by on the highway. (Also amazing that it
KM> has enough range to see them at all.)
Well that's one way of being entertained! Haven't thought of that, plus generally drive so don't want to be looking at that cell phone app when
I'm about 150 feet from the road... wouldn't want to be driving!
should be paying attention to the road. ...There is someone around here (the neighbourhood) with an odd SSID: "I can haz internet toos". Yup, spaces and all! ...Not on currently so can't find their signal
strength.
LOL! Must be all cat videos. <g> I see sillies like that once in
a while. One that went by was something like "John's Ugly
Printer" (for a car?? musta been a laptop or some such)
KM> what do you mean, I'm running the copy in D:\storage instead of
KM> the one in C:\Utility ?? Or worse... what do you mean, you're
KM> running the copy from over on \\Bullet\F:\Utility??
Yup: BTDT. Have made a work directory and for trying to make it easy
have simply copied so the work directories and file names are the same
as the original. ...Oops! How'd I get to working in the original area
when I should be in the work area?! Backups are a good thing to have!!
And then forget that you've been moving all the work to D: and
discover somewhat late you're still working on the file in C:
....
KM> Especially with Win7 and Aero active -- it lets you move stuff
KM> around on disk and Aero keeps track. (If you disable Aero, this
KM> does not work.) Pretty soon you don't know where any of your
KM> shortcuts point, even tho they still point at the right program!!
I got to where I wanted to go! I have no idea how I got there, but I'm there!
Well, I'm somewhere, anyway...
KM> It's the one feature that endeared Aero to me (otherwise I can't
KM> stand it, because I can't get eye-restful colors) because it
KM> tolerated my dragging stuff around without troubling to
KM> reinstall, AND without editing the wandering program's shortcut. Probably creates some sort of a virtual drive and when you want to use a programme the programme is working on its original home, you just think you're working elsewehere. Being really virtual!
Nope, the shortcut actually gets changed to point to wherever it
went.
KM> Oh yeah, now I have textfiles in the root of every drive, so I
KM> can see where I am even if it's non-obvious (or I'm oblivious).
KM> No content, just need the filename to tell me where I am. Eg.
KM> Silver_C_WD500.txt
Yup. 0 bytes is fine as long as it tells me where I am.
And with NTFS, files under about 1k are stored in the file
allocation table, so they don't waste clusters. I'm not sure how
this works if the table gets munged, but it does auto-backups,
so...
For a while I was running three MythTV Backends. All three (or maybe
just the first two) Desktops were the same (because running the same
Ubuntu version), so that didn't help. Could have changed the picture
but a lot of times whatever I was doing was covering most of the Desktop
so that wouldn't have helped. Finally created a Desktop icon; didn't go anywhere but did show whare I was.
That's a good idea. My desktops used to look different enough
that I'd always know at least which PC I was on (when they share
a monitor) but then I started using my custom PCLOS install and
of course it already looks as desired... so now I have to check
where I am again. <g> Fortunately the confusion is among laptops,
not everyday systems. Well, unless Silver II or Fireball has
PCLOS up...
To semi-further complicate things I use one monitor off an HDMI switch.
Had different keyboards amd mice and those were identified -- how come
my mouse isn't working? Oh - wrong video input!
Oh yeah, I do that with Bullet all the time... forget that it has
its own keyboard and then wonder why input doesn't work. It
should be obvious because one keyboard is wireless and the other
is both wired and quite heavy, but apparently I do not always
notice the difference. <g>
> Linux just knows.
KM> I'd like to know how it just knows!
The Shadow Knows!!
But I don't have a PC named Shadow...
>> Possible incomplete/incorrect programming.
> KM> Bingo. This is the hazard of having unfinished features, which
> KM> was like as not the root of the problem.
> I C:/ <bseg>
KM> Time to upgrade your compiler. <g>
Time to upgrade my brain so I understand the complier!
Wait, I could get a brain upgrade??
> Yes, have run into a few of those. And have sometimes seen where
> there's an exchange between a user and the author where the author
> states he's just not interested enough in that feature/option to do
> it, or admits it's beyond his capabilities.
KM> Too bad more of these don't get picked up by better/more
KM> interested programmers.
They're creating their own!
Their own bugs, more like!!
My old laptop doesn't have that issue (fortunately!!). Back to the notebook, not sure if the problem is something with the built-in WiFi as even after booting it will randomly disconnect (which is why I got the dongle in the first place).
Um... is it using the linux Broadcom driver? last I paid
attention, it was notoriously unstable. Or why linux and laptop
wifi used to be such an adventure.
I'll have to eventually check that. Initially I was thinking of
replacing the WiFi module with one that will do both bands but then was reminded the antenna would probably be wrong as designed for the 2.4 GHz band only. Seems like there was another problem. Anyway, plugging in
the dual-band dongle was the safer option, though I did forget about the driver having to be loaded for it to work. (Driver loads and works
fine, just need to load the kernel first and the kernel needs to connect....)
Ah, the goofiness is almost certainly an issue with the driver
for the internal wifi chip. So... dongle. (I have several; they
work fine, even the $3 ones. Actually, I wish I had some more of
the $3 ones.)
Some things are very easy doodled on paper and get very difficult with attempting the actual implementation. I've seen posts in StackOverflow where the desired result seems fairly simple: should be able to add a
grep here and a &2> there to get the desired output. Thirty lines of
code later....
Oh yeah... I think the actual solution is "head explodes".
Yup: sometimes one is forced to 'go with the flow' even though it's
wrong. You and I might be able to get by using old/antiquated software
but companies can't, partially/mostly because of support. Probably a
good example is when they don't "keep up": pretty soon they're left
behind, forced to use a 286 because their software won't run on anything newer.
NASA used to run around collecting 486s because they were so
totally a known system -- since you can't send the repair guy out
to Jupiter. <g> And I knew someone who in the late 1990s was
still scrounging XT boards for a cloth-cutting machine that
needed it to interface... 10 cents worth of computer and ten
grand worth of cutter.
KM> Wait, why is DOS up on the flagpole??
It rose above the others?
It boots faster!!
> I have a bad habit of sometimes playing 'Stack'.....KM> Mine are more like "randomly piled". <g>
What I usually wanted was on the bottom and I was getting tired
(pronounced 'annoyed') with taking off the ones on top to get to the one
I wanted.
Well, of course! how else would you stack it? <g>
KM> Not even that, but that should it change its mind about
KM> resolution while I'm doing something, I could wind up with
KM> unfortunate clicks. This is why I turn off ALL the sliding and
KM> fading everything on linux, because it can and DOES capture the
KM> wrong click (Windows tends to have a more definite time boundary
KM> for click vs menu, but I've still seen the problem there).
I tend to not like the 'fancy stuff' so the pretty graphic effects are turned off fairly quickly. OK, I will admit they are interesting for a little while, just because it's new. After that, let's get to work!
The goofy effects annoyed me even before I discovered this, uh,
tripping hazard. So normally I turn them off, but once in a while
I miss one, or haven't got to it yet.
KM> If it's actually a 6-core (never heard of 5-core!) then you might
KM> be able to enable 'em (I gather there are BIOS hacks to do this
KM> for some CPUs). I don't know why you'd want to disable one, tho.
No longer working properly? IOW failed. Sort of like using a battery
That's such a corner case it's triangular!
adapter to make an AAA fit because out of AA's.
Basically a tube the size of the larger battery the smaller battery fits
in to.
Good idea, if the voltage is the same.
I have a clock that's
supposed to take a C battery, but those are both pricey and would
have required a trek to Walmart, whereas I buy AA bulk from
Costco so always have 'em on hand. Upon noting that AA are the
same voltage and length as the dead C, I stuffed an AA in the
spot, and it works fine! probably won't last as long, but it's
been in there for several months now, so...
...actually, probably a good use for batteries that the camera or
mouse have rejected (don't like 'em weak), but aren't actually
dead yet.
KM> But hyperthreading is still not cores. Paladin's old single-core
KM> P4 gets displayed by Windows as 2 cores, but it's not -- it's
KM> just got hyperthreading.
Right: essentially make one do the work of two.
Well, sort of... the software has to know to use it too. Same
with multiple cores. Most software outside of databases and some
newer games has no clue.
Lots of storage space is good!
Junk fills the space allotted!
KM> Also, I like to have the swapfile on its own partition, along
KM> with any browser cache or other wastes of space, to confine
KM> fragmentation.
I was trying to find where my swap file is. System Monitor says it's 32
GiB but I didn't see anything around that size. ...Ah! I put it on the
hard drive (I was looking at the the SSD): the old rule was not to have something that constantly changed on a solid state drive so I put it on
the rusted one.
Egads, no, don't let it be that big, it's a total waste and does
nothing but slow down Windows startup (when it decides it needs
to rewrite the whole 32GB). Since that system has 32GB RAM, it
only needs a token swapfile, and only for stupid programs that
insist. So... set it to permanent and a max of 2GB.
> KM> I make images of small drives and store them on a big drive. <g>
> And then an image of the big drive on an even bigger drive! I don't
KM> YES!
And then -- even bigger?!
Well, of course!! It's like fleas, except the other direction.
"So, naturalists observe, a flea has smaller fleas that on him
prey; and these have smaller still to bite ’em; and so proceed
ad infinitum." - Jonathan Swift
> play around with operating systems like you do so no real need to do
> the imaging. For you it makes sense.
KM> Oh, this is not so much for the OS as for the complex tangle of
KM> software that eventually inhabits the OS. Egads!!
I get confused enough with this one OS!
I look at my rather long list of network locations, and wonder
how I keep track.
KM> I spent six months rebuilding 14,000 image files for a friend
KM> who'd had his data on a RAID system (some species of linux),
KM> since the best that professional data recovery could do was still
KM> a mess. Me, I ain't NEVER doing any kind of striped,
KM> cobbled-together, or other fragmented-among-the-hardware file
KM> storage. I am not a busy commercial server that needs the
KM> performance boost, and for me it is not worth the risk.
I have made DVD and external hard drive backups of portions of the NAS.
They thought they had backups too. Ooops.
I decided right then and there... my data will never live on
RAID, or any species of conglombed or striped disks.
>> KM> I dunno VNC... but now I know who to ask. <g> Wikipedia?!
> KM> Some bloke on a BBS. <g>
> :) ...So did I provide a usuable introductory explanation in an
> earlier message?
KM> Uh, somewhere... kinda cross between remote desktop and Mouse
KM> Without Borders... or so I gather...
BTW, VNC will not support audio, or at least the 'VNC Server' I'm using
here has that 'error' message. Not really an error message as the icon
of the speaker has a line through it and when hover that message comes
up. Maybe there is a higher level version that includes audio.
Oh. Normally I don't want audio to migrate with the desktop in
use, tho, because half the idea is one system can be busy making
noise while another is busy doing actual work.
> Some times they just need the rest!
KM> That was the old method for fixing CDROM drives -- power 'em down
KM> overnight and sometimes they'd get unconfused and work again.
Wonder if the 'unconfusion' was simply a discharge of capacitors?
Probably so. Resets the single brain cell to zero.
.. Older people are just younger people later in their lives.
Explains the second childhood!
...or maybe I discharged all my capacitors...
As for a dark theme with Windows 10, I wasn't aware one existed. I use that with Facebook, as it's easier on the eyes.
KM> Enough duct tape silences anyone. <g>
I think of the Cheech And Chong routine with "The Big Brave Motorcycle Rider" was in a wreck, and got taped up big time. The problem was, he had
as much hair on his body as a gorilla. And, you thought waxing was bad??!!
> I have a password manager for all my internet stuff. But, that reminds me
KM> I let the browser remember, except for a couple of super-secure ones.
If the browser dumps, I'm screwed.
KM> Wait, what does innocent look like??
Different from looking guilty?? <G>
KY MOFFET wrote to DARYL STOUT <=-eminds
> I have a password manager for all my internet stuff. But, that
me
KM> I let the browser remember, except for a couple of super-secure ones.
If the browser dumps, I'm screwed.
There exist password exporting utilities. Chrome finally has one
of its own, sort of. For Firefox there's something called
Password Exporter. Every so often I do something with that.
Password manager is not necessarily any better about saving
passwords than the browser is.
But I would definitely consider exporting them to text and
printing them out, if you can.
KM> But I would definitely consider exporting them to text and
KM> printing them out, if you can.
Yes, I'd have a backup copy (or two) of my passwords! Over the decades
I've had computers die: remember once came home from work to find my 256
GB HDD now thinking it was a something like 48 GB drive. Have
electronic backups to the NAS in the basement.
Here I have a password file on the computer -- not terribly secure but
I'm the only one on this computer. Some people recommend keeping on a thumbdrive.
I also have a Password Book: 2" ring binder with individual
pages for each site. I also will keep other notes such as Secure
Questions: some of my answers would normally be two words but the site doesn't allow, or would have an aprostrophe but again the site doesn't allow..... Sometimes other information like customer service telephone numbers.
KM> But I would definitely consider exporting them to text and
KM> printing them out, if you can.
Yes, I'd have a backup copy (or two) of my passwords! Over the decades
I've had computers die: remember once came home from work to find my 256
GB HDD now thinking it was a something like 48 GB drive. Have
I remember that!
electronic backups to the NAS in the basement.
What sort of NAS do you have?
I have a bunch of 2TB SAS drives that I'd like to set up as a NAS
or something similar. I was going to use Fireball, but its SAS
chip is real twitchy-picky and only works with random OSs when it
feels like it. Have a couple of SAS adapters that might work
better, haven't tested yet.
Here I have a password file on the computer -- not terribly secure but
I'm the only one on this computer. Some people recommend keeping on a thumbdrive.
Problem is, thumbdrives are easy to lose, easy to corrupt, and
not terribly reliable. If one dies, it just dies, no warning.
I also have a Password Book: 2" ring binder with individual
pages for each site. I also will keep other notes such as Secure
Questions: some of my answers would normally be two words but the site doesn't allow, or would have an aprostrophe but again the site doesn't allow..... Sometimes other information like customer service telephone numbers.
Good idea!
I have a Standard List of Weird Crap I Can Remember from not-at-all-secure-and-probably-compromised-but-who-cares, up to Burn-Before-Reading-Never-Written-Down. If I can't remember, it's
up the list until I hit one. <g>
> I've had computers die: remember once came home from work to find my 256
> GB HDD now thinking it was a something like 48 GB drive. Have
KM> I remember that!
Good memory! No idea what happened - thinking maybe one of the r/w arms broke as thought I heard a rattling. Computer was on a UPS so shouldn't
have been a shock from a voltage surge. <shrug>
> electronic backups to the NAS in the basement.
KM> What sort of NAS do you have?
ZyXEL NSA320 with a total of 5 TB storage (3 + 2). Antique by today's standards but works fine. The only thing I have to do when mounting is
KM> I have a bunch of 2TB SAS drives that I'd like to set up as a NAS
KM> or something similar. I was going to use Fireball, but its SAS
KM> chip is real twitchy-picky and only works with random OSs when it
KM> feels like it. Have a couple of SAS adapters that might work
KM> better, haven't tested yet.
I'm been planning to build my own NAS:
use some of the old/smaller HDDs
for end-directories (instead of a sub-dir on a huge/new HDD). Some
other project bullies its way in front of the line....
OTOH I have had thumbdrives here just die. Some were those 'yellow' thumbdrives (the blue ones were fine). Others were some cheap ones (4
GB) I bought more or less for sneakernet stuff. No problems that I can recall with name brand ones.
> I've had computers die: remember once came home from work to find my 256
> GB HDD now thinking it was a something like 48 GB drive. Have
KM> I remember that!
Good memory! No idea what happened - thinking maybe one of the r/w arms broke as thought I heard a rattling. Computer was on a UPS so shouldn't have been a shock from a voltage surge. <shrug>
I've seen a HD with a busted r/w arm (head come loose and just
dangling) and another with the arm disconnected entirely. So it
does happen!
> electronic backups to the NAS in the basement.
KM> What sort of NAS do you have?
ZyXEL NSA320 with a total of 5 TB storage (3 + 2). Antique by today's standards but works fine. The only thing I have to do when mounting is
So long as it schlepps files back and forth and stores 'em
reliably, it's good enough, what else is a NAS supposed to do
anyway??
KM> I have a bunch of 2TB SAS drives that I'd like to set up as a NAS
KM> or something similar. I was going to use Fireball, but its SAS
KM> chip is real twitchy-picky and only works with random OSs when it
KM> feels like it. Have a couple of SAS adapters that might work
KM> better, haven't tested yet.
I'm been planning to build my own NAS:
There exist NAS-OS images, tho I haven't looked into 'em.
use some of the old/smaller HDDs
for end-directories (instead of a sub-dir on a huge/new HDD). Some
other project bullies its way in front of the line....
I guess until you run out of connectors...
OTOH I have had thumbdrives here just die. Some were those 'yellow' thumbdrives (the blue ones were fine). Others were some cheap ones (4
GB) I bought more or less for sneakernet stuff. No problems that I can recall with name brand ones.
I recall an Adventure with several bogus AData thumb drives....
in my observation, all the off-brand drives are crap. If it's not
a Big Name, AVOID!!
Hi Ky!
> Good memory! No idea what happened - thinking maybe one of the r/w arms
> broke as thought I heard a rattling. Computer was on a UPS so shouldn't
> have been a shock from a voltage surge. <shrug>
KM> I've seen a HD with a busted r/w arm (head come loose and just
KM> dangling) and another with the arm disconnected entirely. So it
KM> does happen!
In hind sight I should have opened the drive to see what happened. I
know I tried a few recovery options.
KM> So long as it schlepps files back and forth and stores 'em
KM> reliably, it's good enough, what else is a NAS supposed to do
KM> anyway??
Provide another source for blinkenlichten! Actually pretty much my
thoughts: just need it to store/backup data. The only two issues with it
are current OSs whine about the low security version it has (can't be
updated as no longer supported) -- I have a work-around and don't need
the security. The other is it is getting a little long in the tooth and
so might have some pending hardware issues.
> I'm been planning to build my own NAS:
KM> There exist NAS-OS images, tho I haven't looked into 'em.
Have found some of them and glanced through. Some look pretty
impressive!
> use some of the old/smaller HDDs
> for end-directories (instead of a sub-dir on a huge/new HDD). Some
> other project bullies its way in front of the line....
KM> I guess until you run out of connectors...
Strip and solder a few of the wires together to make Y-adapeters. <bseg>
KM> I recall an Adventure with several bogus AData thumb drives....
KM> in my observation, all the off-brand drives are crap. If it's not
KM> a Big Name, AVOID!!
Yes, these were Adata thumbdrives. Not sure if it's an off-brand but I wasn't impressed by their customer service and so they are now on my Do
Not Buy List.
> Good memory! No idea what happened - thinking maybe one of the r/w arms
> broke as thought I heard a rattling. Computer was on a UPS so shouldn't
> have been a shock from a voltage surge. <shrug>
KM> I've seen a HD with a busted r/w arm (head come loose and just
KM> dangling) and another with the arm disconnected entirely. So it
KM> does happen!
In hind sight I should have opened the drive to see what happened. I
know I tried a few recovery options.
If they're making noise it's one of two problems: either busted
as above, or (more often) the logic board died and it's making
the motor go clank clank clank. Logic boards can be replaced...
sometimes. Around the 40GB era that starts to be very specific
and needs an exact-match chip, or it won't work. Matching same
production batch, not just same model, and with the more modern
HDs every drive is different because the chip is programmed to
match the individual drive. There's an outfit that sells the
logic boards, and also does the repairs for under $100 or so, but
it's no longer something you and I can really do.
KM> So long as it schlepps files back and forth and stores 'em
KM> reliably, it's good enough, what else is a NAS supposed to do
KM> anyway??
Provide another source for blinkenlichten! Actually pretty much my
LOL!
thoughts: just need it to store/backup data. The only two issues with it are current OSs whine about the low security version it has (can't be updated as no longer supported) -- I have a work-around and don't need
the security. The other is it is getting a little long in the tooth and
so might have some pending hardware issues.
Yeah, same reason I don't care that Bullet, who until I started rearranging hardware was doing duty as file server, is 14 years
old. Reliable, so who cares? And unless some nullwit breaks into
my house and peers into my files, there really isn't any security
issue.
> I'm been planning to build my own NAS:
KM> There exist NAS-OS images, tho I haven't looked into 'em.
Have found some of them and glanced through. Some look pretty
impressive!
Yeah, quite competent.
The Asustor, if I were rich and buying a NAS, looks like a really
nice unit. Since I'm not rich, some low-power PC will do. :P
> use some of the old/smaller HDDs
> for end-directories (instead of a sub-dir on a huge/new HDD). Some
> other project bullies its way in front of the line....
KM> I guess until you run out of connectors...
Strip and solder a few of the wires together to make Y-adapters. <bseg>
Cheat :P
KM> I recall an Adventure with several bogus AData thumb drives....
KM> in my observation, all the off-brand drives are crap. If it's not
KM> a Big Name, AVOID!!
Yes, these were Adata thumbdrives. Not sure if it's an off-brand but I wasn't impressed by their customer service and so they are now on my Do
Not Buy List.
Looks to me like the off-brands are buying seconds
(borderline-defective memory chips) and building the units with
the cheapest logic board available. So they're bound to fail
early and often... and are priced accordingly.
At this point, in a flash drive or memory card, I'll only buy
Sandisk.
KM> match the individual drive. There's an outfit that sells the
KM> logic boards, and also does the repairs for under $100 or so, but
KM> it's no longer something you and I can really do.
Right: opening would have been more to physically see the innerds as
opposed to just seeing a picture. If even attempted to repair I doubt I woudl have trusted the HDD any longer. Not doubting my repair ability,
more the HDD failed and it shouldn't have.
KM> Yeah, same reason I don't care that Bullet, who until I started
KM> rearranging hardware was doing duty as file server, is 14 years
KM> old. Reliable, so who cares? And unless some nullwit breaks into
KM> my house and peers into my files, there really isn't any security
KM> issue.
Pretty much the same here. Actually I'm more concerned with the
neighbour's tree falling this direction and smashing stuff than a break
in. (We did have a severe wind storm after the Derecho and I did move
stuff from my desk as it's right next to the window: was a bit concerned
the window might break.)
KM> The Asustor, if I were rich and buying a NAS, looks like a really
KM> nice unit. Since I'm not rich, some low-power PC will do. :P
I'm thinking more towards building my own mainly because I have the
parts laying around (or at least think I have!). As far as physical
> > use some of the old/smaller HDDs
> > for end-directories (instead of a sub-dir on a huge/new HDD). Some
> > other project bullies its way in front of the line....
> KM> I guess until you run out of connectors...
> Strip and solder a few of the wires together to make Y-adapters. <bseg>
KM> Cheat :P
Would work for power, probably not data. :( <g>
The trouble was both the yellow and blue ones were Adata, 16 GB, USB
3.0, UV128 (whatever that means). Physically identical except for the colour. Blue ones "always" worked -- I did manage to kill a couple but seemed to be more me doing something as opposed to the yellow ones just failing 'mid-air'.
A while back (year, maybe two) I did sort of check and the blue ones had differences from the yellow per diagnostic/recovery utilities. The experience definitely soured me on Adata, so no buying anything from
them.
KM> At this point, in a flash drive or memory card, I'll only buy
KM> Sandisk.
I've been sticking with SanDisk and Kingston.
KM> match the individual drive. There's an outfit that sells the
KM> logic boards, and also does the repairs for under $100 or so, but
KM> it's no longer something you and I can really do.
Right: opening would have been more to physically see the innerds as
opposed to just seeing a picture. If even attempted to repair I doubt I woudl have trusted the HDD any longer. Not doubting my repair ability,
more the HDD failed and it shouldn't have.
Repair is only for data recovery; no failed drive is EVER
considered "working" after repair.
KM> Yeah, same reason I don't care that Bullet, who until I started
KM> rearranging hardware was doing duty as file server, is 14 years
KM> old. Reliable, so who cares? And unless some nullwit breaks into
KM> my house and peers into my files, there really isn't any security
KM> issue.
Pretty much the same here. Actually I'm more concerned with the
neighbour's tree falling this direction and smashing stuff than a break
in. (We did have a severe wind storm after the Derecho and I did move
stuff from my desk as it's right next to the window: was a bit concerned
the window might break.)
Yeah. Physical security makes sense for corporate, but for us, we
don't want to be bothered, when the worst hazard is falling
trees. <g>
KM> The Asustor, if I were rich and buying a NAS, looks like a really
KM> nice unit. Since I'm not rich, some low-power PC will do. :P
I'm thinking more towards building my own mainly because I have the
parts laying around (or at least think I have!). As far as physical
Yeah, and can put to use a lot more than the two drives handled
by the average commercial NAS with a consumer-practical price. In
a pinch my preferred case will handle ten HDDs. I don't want RAID
(cured of that by a summer spent recovering a friend's
RAID-mangled data) or anything but HAND OVER MY FILES AND NO ONE
GOES TO THE SCRAPYARD. No flaming hoops, just storage.
I do have a very old actual for-really NAS here somewhere, but
haven't been able to get it to work. How old? <goes to look> IDE,
not SATA. Cisco, probably cost a fortune new. Came in some box of
free stuff. Interesting, but not useful.
> > use some of the old/smaller HDDs
> > for end-directories (instead of a sub-dir on a huge/new HDD). Some
> > other project bullies its way in front of the line....
> KM> I guess until you run out of connectors...
> Strip and solder a few of the wires together to make Y-adapters. <bseg>
KM> Cheat :P
Would work for power, probably not data. :( <g>
It can, in fact that's how some of the cheap adapters work, but
you still have the same total bandwidth, so it gets real slow.
The trouble was both the yellow and blue ones were Adata, 16 GB, USB
3.0, UV128 (whatever that means). Physically identical except for the colour. Blue ones "always" worked -- I did manage to kill a couple but seemed to be more me doing something as opposed to the yellow ones just failing 'mid-air'.
Different source for the seconds, probably. I recall that
mattered exceedingly with vidcards in old OEM boxen... Matrox
chips were seconds (I had a firsthand confirm on that) but still
worked right. ATI chips were also seconds but a crapshoot. Box
still said Gateway on the front.
KM> At this point, in a flash drive or memory card, I'll only buy
KM> Sandisk.
I've been sticking with SanDisk and Kingston.
Only RAM I've ever had fail was Kingston. All sorts of other
random RAM of every and no brand, no problem. So they're not on
my top buy list.
I've used Lexar flash drives, but larger than 128GB like to
default to USB 1.0, and walking data over one bit at a time is
faster.
In SSDs or NVMes, Sandisk/WD or Samsung. Only reason I have an
NVMe that's a PNY is cuz "cheapest one I could lay hands on til
we see if they work with this ...vintage... hardware and OS."
With the 3rd party driver, XP64 likes 'em fine. But Win7 threw up
in new and creative ways, and Win10 corrupts them (permanently
sets a dirty bit so they perpetually want "disk checking").
> woudl have trusted the HDD any longer. Not doubting my repair ability,
> more the HDD failed and it shouldn't have.
KM> Repair is only for data recovery; no failed drive is EVER
KM> considered "working" after repair.
My definition is probably looser: the repaired drive (rust or otherwise)
is now working but I eye it with suspicion. I'd use it for something
like Sneakernet or temporary storage/use, definitely nothing critical
like for a Backup.
KM> Yeah. Physical security makes sense for corporate, but for us, we
KM> don't want to be bothered, when the worst hazard is falling
KM> trees. <g>
Plus hackers are more likely to target businesses where tons of data
like passwords, SSNs, etc., could be collected in one big swoop. More
than likely a hacker isn't going to bother you or I to grab my bank
account number. (They won't the password on my computer -- well, maybe
the History -- darn!) I probably have a greater chance of a hacker attempting to snag my WiFi. (Why has that car been sitting on the
street for the last hour?)
KM> Yeah, and can put to use a lot more than the two drives handled
KM> by the average commercial NAS with a consumer-practical price. In Right. All I really need is backup storage for when something goes
wrong. Even the old (antique!) NAS I have offers all sorts of options
I've never used: Media Server, iTunes Server, Broadcatching (no idea
what that is), Flickr/YouTube uploader.... Could probably get by with
an external HDD!
KM> I do have a very old actual for-really NAS here somewhere, but
KM> haven't been able to get it to work. How old? <goes to look> IDE,
KM> not SATA. Cisco, probably cost a fortune new. Came in some box of
KM> free stuff. Interesting, but not useful.
So when are you going to price SATA-to-IDE adapters?!
Here I could break up the total storage device into portions: music BU
to one HDD, data to another; the cameras monitoring what's going on
putside could be to multiple small hard drives: they don't need to be to
the same drive. I look at (essentially) /NAS/Unit 1/Camera 1, which
could go just as easily to /NAS/HDD1 as /NAS/HDD8.
KM> It can, in fact that's how some of the cheap adapters work, but
KM> you still have the same total bandwidth, so it gets real slow.
I don 't like to wait when I don't have to so not a good option for me. Actually was thinking more the output of the motherboard's port is set
to go to the input of specific device only but suppose could just as
easily do output to several device and whichever device is the correct
one can then decode the data. (Yeah, really sloppy Black Box concept!)
Spotted cows! ...I sort of have the theory lower-classed Pentiums,
etc., were ones that failed to meet the upper-level standards: it works,
just not at the top level. Waste not, want not!
I think the only brand I had problems with is Patriot but they
immediately replaced essentially without question (I had done the
extended MemTest+ diagnostic to verify to myself where the problem was already so any question was already answered).
The usage also makes a difference (great! more variables!). Semi-
following best for the Raspberry Pi's microSD card -- top of my head not recalling but essentially Brand A is good but only Model 1 as Model 2 is sluggish. Brand 2 is next best but if use as <condition> is better than
Brand 1. ...Essentially depends on Reads, Writes. Also seems if a lot
of writes then better off with a larger capacity card even though means
a lot of unused space: each (segment) has only so many writes
available, so if writing a lot then if to a small capacity card one uses
the same (segment) over and over again, so exhausts/dies effectively
KM> I've used Lexar flash drives, but larger than 128GB like to
KM> default to USB 1.0, and walking data over one bit at a time is
KM> faster.
"Oddly" Lexar drives were in one of the RPi studies and while great for
other functions did abysmally poorly in the RPi. I odn't recall the
size but seems the comparisons were using 16 and 32 GB cards.
KM> In SSDs or NVMes, Sandisk/WD or Samsung. Only reason I have an
KM> NVMe that's a PNY is cuz "cheapest one I could lay hands on til
KM> we see if they work with this ...vintage... hardware and OS."
Yup: if something may or may not work doesn't make sense to go with
expensive. And of course usage: for example on this computer I want to access the information (data) fast so a 7200 RPM drive might make sense
but for storage a 5600 RPM drive is probably mopre than enough, so I can
save some money between those two options. (Think I have the numbers
right.)
KM> With the 3rd party driver, XP64 likes 'em fine. But Win7 threw up
KM> in new and creative ways, and Win10 corrupts them (permanently
KM> sets a dirty bit so they perpetually want "disk checking").
I'm more and more liking my decision to move away from Windows!
I'm more and more liking my decision to move away from Windows!
> would have trusted the HDD any longer. Not doubting my repair ability,
> more the HDD failed and it shouldn't have.
KM> Repair is only for data recovery; no failed drive is EVER
KM> considered "working" after repair.
My definition is probably looser: the repaired drive (rust or otherwise)
is now working but I eye it with suspicion. I'd use it for something
like Sneakernet or temporary storage/use, definitely nothing critical
like for a Backup.
Yeah, unless you know it was a filesystem/partition problem,
would not be at the head of my trusted list. But for that kind of
use, sure.
However, if the OS touches it, and it's bad, it will make
trouble. Drive that's failing but nothing visible (no bad
sectors) can cause system freezes.
KM> Yeah. Physical security makes sense for corporate, but for us, we
KM> don't want to be bothered, when the worst hazard is falling
KM> trees. <g>
Plus hackers are more likely to target businesses where tons of data
like passwords, SSNs, etc., could be collected in one big swoop. More
than likely a hacker isn't going to bother you or I to grab my bank
account number. (They won't the password on my computer -- well, maybe
That's not really the criterion. A million small bank accounts
totals the same money, and garners no untoward attention from
Interpol.
the History -- darn!) I probably have a greater chance of a hacker attempting to snag my WiFi. (Why has that car been sitting on the
street for the last hour?)
Anyone trying to enjoy my wifi would be very disappointed in the
speed...
KM> Yeah, and can put to use a lot more than the two drives handled
KM> by the average commercial NAS with a consumer-practical price. In Right. All I really need is backup storage for when something goes
wrong. Even the old (antique!) NAS I have offers all sorts of options
I've never used: Media Server, iTunes Server, Broadcatching (no idea
what that is), Flickr/YouTube uploader.... Could probably get by with
an external HDD!
Yeah, the Asustor has its own little CPU and OS, and it can do
enough stuff that you could almost use it as a desktop. Would I
ever use those functions? I doubt it.
KM> I do have a very old actual for-really NAS here somewhere, but
KM> haven't been able to get it to work. How old? <goes to look> IDE,
KM> not SATA. Cisco, probably cost a fortune new. Came in some box of
KM> free stuff. Interesting, but not useful.
So when are you going to price SATA-to-IDE adapters?!
LOL... I've used those. The one that actually works and doesn't
burn a hole in your PC is awkwardly sized and a naked board so
you have to be careful what it touches; the one that's got a case
around the board and isn't so big and gawky runs at FRY. Either
way, not a good solution.
Here I could break up the total storage device into portions: music BU
to one HDD, data to another; the cameras monitoring what's going on
putside could be to multiple small hard drives: they don't need to be to
the same drive. I look at (essentially) /NAS/Unit 1/Camera 1, which
could go just as easily to /NAS/HDD1 as /NAS/HDD8.
Yeah, I like to sort things out that way when I can.
KM> It can, in fact that's how some of the cheap adapters work, but
KM> you still have the same total bandwidth, so it gets real slow.
I don 't like to wait when I don't have to so not a good option for me. Actually was thinking more the output of the motherboard's port is set
to go to the input of specific device only but suppose could just as
easily do output to several device and whichever device is the correct
one can then decode the data. (Yeah, really sloppy Black Box concept!)
Each one needs its own channel, as I understand it. So the
adapter has to know how to direct traffic. But you still only
have X-bandwidth, until you get into the more expensive adapters
that are designed to give each HD its full bandwidth.
Spotted cows! ...I sort of have the theory lower-classed Pentiums,
etc., were ones that failed to meet the upper-level standards: it works, just not at the top level. Waste not, want not!
That's exactly right. Because chip production is so variable,
some work better than others, and whatever the batch tests at is
how they'll be labeled. Lesser chips may "overclock" because some
will actually be up to it.
And there will be occasional freak chips that can "overclock" to
something ridiculous, like over 5GHz.
And it makes gamers very happy when they can buy a cheaper CPU
and "overclock" it to something silly like that.
But there is really no such thing as overclocking; there is only
running a chip up to its maximum ability.
Back in the olden days, for a while the P75 was the market sweet
spot. Intel was already producing P90 CPUs, but they were widely
viewed as too expensive. But P90 was what was coming out of the
production line, and they cost the same to make regardless, so
they rebadged a bunch of those P90s and sold them as P75s. In
fact I've only seen one P75 that was really only 75MHz and would
not "overclock" to 90MHz, because of this.
The usage also makes a difference (great! more variables!). Semi-
following best for the Raspberry Pi's microSD card -- top of my head not recalling but essentially Brand A is good but only Model 1 as Model 2 is sluggish. Brand 2 is next best but if use as <condition> is better than
And there are a bunch of different SD card specs. Explaining
Computers channel had a good go-over of the various types a while
back. I printed out his conclusions chart and put it in my
wallet. :)
Only buy Sandisk now regardless, but still there are different
types, and not all work well for everything.
Brand 1. ...Essentially depends on Reads, Writes. Also seems if a lot
of writes then better off with a larger capacity card even though means
a lot of unused space: each (segment) has only so many writes
available, so if writing a lot then if to a small capacity card one uses
the same (segment) over and over again, so exhausts/dies effectively
Yeah, true of all flash devices, including SSDs.
KM> I've used Lexar flash drives, but larger than 128GB like to
KM> default to USB 1.0, and walking data over one bit at a time is
KM> faster.
"Oddly" Lexar drives were in one of the RPi studies and while great for other functions did abysmally poorly in the RPi. I odn't recall the
size but seems the comparisons were using 16 and 32 GB cards.
Yeah, see, Lexars sometimes have weird ideas. They're made by
Micron, which normally means good quality memory, but not so sure
about the rest of the unit.
KM> In SSDs or NVMes, Sandisk/WD or Samsung. Only reason I have an
KM> NVMe that's a PNY is cuz "cheapest one I could lay hands on til
KM> we see if they work with this ...vintage... hardware and OS."
Yup: if something may or may not work doesn't make sense to go with
Yeah... could chuck it into one of the other boxen but... well,
it was both cheap and works, what's not to like??
KM> With the 3rd party driver, XP64 likes 'em fine. But Win7 threw up
KM> in new and creative ways, and Win10 corrupts them (permanently
KM> sets a dirty bit so they perpetually want "disk checking").
I'm more and more liking my decision to move away from Windows!
Yeah, they're not really enticing me with the more-recent
shenanigans. Win11 has some nice features, but for every nice
feature there's an equal and negating WTF.
Win10's guts seem to be very good, but the desktop leaves pretty
much everything to be desired, and then there's these bad
behaviors...
I once suggested to a MSFT rep that it would be really nice to
have modular desktops, so we could use whichever style of Windows
we prefer while having the benefits of updated underpinnings. He
said they were actually considering that, but obviously nothing
came of it.
Hi Ky!
KM> Yeah, unless you know it was a filesystem/partition problem,
KM> would not be at the head of my trusted list. But for that kind of
KM> use, sure.
KM> However, if the OS touches it, and it's bad, it will make
KM> trouble. Drive that's failing but nothing visible (no bad
KM> sectors) can cause system freezes.
Hmm: thinking about that one Raspberry Pi I'm having problems with:
randomly locks up/stops. Sometimes a reboot works, sometimes have to
power boot to get going again. Plenty of room on the SD card, plenty of
free memory.
> the History -- darn!) I probably have a greater chance of a hacker
> attempting to snag my WiFi. (Why has that car been sitting on the
> street for the last hour?)
KM> Anyone trying to enjoy my wifi would be very disappointed in the
KM> speed...
Still, could be better than nothing!
KM> Yeah, the Asustor has its own little CPU and OS, and it can do
KM> enough stuff that you could almost use it as a desktop. Would I
KM> ever use those functions? I doubt it.
On one hand there are our types which could make a system from scratch
-- well, select and grab a bunch of software anyway! There are others
who could not. My guess is the units put in all that software for the
latter group. Same unit is sold to mour group, we just don't have to
use what's included.
> So when are you going to price SATA-to-IDE adapters?!
KM> LOL... I've used those. The one that actually works and doesn't
KM> burn a hole in your PC is awkwardly sized and a naked board so
KM> you have to be careful what it touches; the one that's got a case
KM> around the board and isn't so big and gawky runs at FRY. Either
KM> way, not a good solution.
I've worked with bare/open circuit boards; mostly the electrical side of things like voltage regulators and chargers. The pre-made aspect is
nice: keeps things compact and the price down -- I'd probably pay the
same for a toroid as I did for the entire unit. Holding the board in
place in the box can sometimes be a bit of a challenge!
KM> Yeah, I like to sort things out that way when I can.
It makes troubleshooting easier!
KM> Each one needs its own channel, as I understand it. So the
KM> adapter has to know how to direct traffic. But you still only
KM> have X-bandwidth, until you get into the more expensive adapters
KM> that are designed to give each HD its full bandwidth.
I was thinking needing their own data channel also, which was the joke
behind my comment, though was a bit hidden. (There's another one!)
The power portion can be soldered together; the data not.
> Spotted cows! ...I sort of have the theory lower-classed Pentiums,
> etc., were ones that failed to meet the upper-level standards: it works,
> just not at the top level. Waste not, want not!
KM> That's exactly right. Because chip production is so variable,
KM> some work better than others, and whatever the batch tests at is
KM> how they'll be labeled. Lesser chips may "overclock" because some
KM> will actually be up to it.
Yea! I was right! As for overclocking, I don't do mainly because of the overall concept of it's designed for only so much, very possible to do
more for a short period of time but after that it fails.
KM> And there will be occasional freak chips that can "overclock" to
KM> something ridiculous, like over 5GHz.
Remember when we were ecstatic at the 8088's 16 MHz?!
KM> And it makes gamers very happy when they can buy a cheaper CPU
KM> and "overclock" it to something silly like that.
Well yeah: I like a bargain too!
KM> But there is really no such thing as overclocking; there is only
KM> running a chip up to its maximum ability.
Agree. I'm thinking the manufacturers want to be able to sell a (say) 6
GHz chip, and maybe actually have it, but the problem is becomes unstable/overheats/requires a lot of power/whatever. Cut it down to 4
GHz, problems go away. ...Let the tinkers deal with those issues, we said
it's only good to this level. And Clyde the Corporate Lawyer reminded
to include the 'overclocking may void warranty' clause.
KM> Back in the olden days, for a while the P75 was the market sweet
KM> spot. Intel was already producing P90 CPUs, but they were widely
KM> viewed as too expensive. But P90 was what was coming out of the
KM> production line, and they cost the same to make regardless, so
KM> they rebadged a bunch of those P90s and sold them as P75s. In
KM> fact I've only seen one P75 that was really only 75MHz and would
KM> not "overclock" to 90MHz, because of this.
Makes sense to me.
KM> Computers channel had a good go-over of the various types a while
KM> back. I printed out his conclusions chart and put it in my
KM> wallet. :)
(Ky has a George Costanza wallet; very little money, but stuffed full of notes, coupons, phone number strips for guitar lessons....)
Actually something I should do but electronically; store in the phone
as I usually carry when I go out. Guess I'll have to learn how to use
it for something beside talking, pictures, and a schedule calendar!
KM> Only buy Sandisk now regardless, but still there are different
KM> types, and not all work well for everything.
Right, like some hard drives are recommended for lots of writes and few
reads (surveillance ==> constant recording, occasional playback) some
memory cards are designed for lots of writes and fewer reads, some the
other way.
> Brand 1. ...Essentially depends on Reads, Writes. Also seems if a lot
> of writes then better off with a larger capacity card even though means
> a lot of unused space: each (segment) has only so many writes
> available, so if writing a lot then if to a small capacity card one uses
> the same (segment) over and over again, so exhausts/dies effectively
KM> Yeah, true of all flash devices, including SSDs.
I'm thinking with my RPi problem somewhere above going from the the
current 32 GB card, which shows as having lots of room, to a 64 GB card.
Data should be rattling around loose!
KM> Yeah... could chuck it into one of the other boxen but... well,
KM> it was both cheap and works, what's not to like??
It's lime green!
KM> Yeah, they're not really enticing me with the more-recent
KM> shenanigans. Win11 has some nice features, but for every nice
KM> feature there's an equal and negating WTF.
I'm thinking most people stick with Windows because they don't know of something different or are afraid to make the change. Admittedly
switching from Windows-think to Linux-think is a slight challenge. And I guess Linux is more for 'fiddlers' -- maybe not as easy for those users
used to clicking. I still like the command line - sometimes easier. ..Sometimes.
KM> I once suggested to a MSFT rep that it would be really nice to
KM> have modular desktops, so we could use whichever style of Windows
KM> we prefer while having the benefits of updated underpinnings. He
KM> said they were actually considering that, but obviously nothing
KM> came of it.
Or at least yet. Or could have been said to placate you: yes, we're
working on that, in the meantime you stil have to use the old junk but
with the hopes of something good.
I'm more and more liking my decision to move away from Windows!
Especially if a tornado is approaching. <G>
There have been very few times I've been concerned for my safety with storms. Not to be misinterpreted as foolhardiness -- I'd make a lousy storm chaser!
I don't recall offhand if yours was mispartitioned (which
happened sometimes with old tools) or what. But obviously got
past it. <g>
KM> However, if the OS touches it, and it's bad, it will make
KM> trouble. Drive that's failing but nothing visible (no bad
KM> sectors) can cause system freezes.
Hmm: thinking about that one Raspberry Pi I'm having problems with:
randomly locks up/stops. Sometimes a reboot works, sometimes have to
power boot to get going again. Plenty of room on the SD card, plenty of free memory.
Dunno if SD cards need the TRIM function like SSDs do to clean up
after used/unused sectors and do wear-leveling... linux has not
been good about that, generally, nor Windows before Win7, but
newer SSDs TRIM themselves. SDs? no idea.
<goes to look>
Okay. If it's been in service a while as an OS host, chances are
it's worn out: https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/ex7dvo/quick_remind er_that_sd_ca
ds_with_wearleveling/
BUT! an inexpensive card is now available that does the job! new
info from WD says:
===
Our WD Purple MicroSD's do both static and dynamic wear-leveling.
Meaning all blocks across whole address space are considered for
wear leveling regardless of if and how the blocks are used. This
keeps the number of program erase cycles consistent on all
blocks. === https://www.westerndigital.com/products/memory-cards/wd-purple-mic rosd#WDD032G10C
Oh, be aware that as an old fogey, once a year you can claim a
substantial Old Fogey discount on orders from WD. Last I looked
it was 15%.
> the History -- darn!) I probably have a greater chance of a hacker
> attempting to snag my WiFi. (Why has that car been sitting on the
> street for the last hour?)
KM> Anyone trying to enjoy my wifi would be very disappointed in the
KM> speed...
Still, could be better than nothing!
Tin cans and string level better than nothing!
KM> Yeah, the Asustor has its own little CPU and OS, and it can do
KM> enough stuff that you could almost use it as a desktop. Would I
KM> ever use those functions? I doubt it.
On one hand there are our types which could make a system from scratch
-- well, select and grab a bunch of software anyway! There are others
who could not. My guess is the units put in all that software for the latter group. Same unit is sold to mour group, we just don't have to
use what's included.
It's designed for small business backup and fileserver type work,
where there are liability concerns. Commercial NAS lost data? you
were following best practices, no liability in that. Homebrew NAS
lost data? See you in court.
My sister's work (she's a partner in a big international
architecture firm) discards anything that's out of warranty,
including vehicles, because the liability is too great. Building
fell down? You were using fully supported everything and all to
industry standard, so no liability for any defect that derives
from said hardware or software. Using unsupported or outdated
software OR hardware? See you in court. (We're talking billions
of dollars, not small claims court.)
> So when are you going to price SATA-to-IDE adapters?!
KM> LOL... I've used those. The one that actually works and doesn't
KM> burn a hole in your PC is awkwardly sized and a naked board so
KM> you have to be careful what it touches; the one that's got a case
KM> around the board and isn't so big and gawky runs at FRY. Either
KM> way, not a good solution.
I've worked with bare/open circuit boards; mostly the electrical side of things like voltage regulators and chargers. The pre-made aspect is
nice: keeps things compact and the price down -- I'd probably pay the
same for a toroid as I did for the entire unit. Holding the board in
place in the box can sometimes be a bit of a challenge!
Yeah, finding a way to dangle the one that worked where nothing
would contact metal was more challenge than it was worth. Plus it
doesn't fit inside any sort of drive bay. Easier to install an
IDE or SATA adapter card (tho the latter need drivers, which can
be an Issue. The IDE cards don't.)
KM> Yeah, I like to sort things out that way when I can.
It makes troubleshooting easier!
What if we run out of ammo??!
KM> Each one needs its own channel, as I understand it. So the
KM> adapter has to know how to direct traffic. But you still only
KM> have X-bandwidth, until you get into the more expensive adapters
KM> that are designed to give each HD its full bandwidth.
I was thinking needing their own data channel also, which was the joke behind my comment, though was a bit hidden. (There's another one!)
The power portion can be soldered together; the data not.
Oh yes, saw the joke, but it was actually reality <g>
> Spotted cows! ...I sort of have the theory lower-classed Pentiums,
> etc., were ones that failed to meet the upper-level standards: it works,
> just not at the top level. Waste not, want not!
KM> That's exactly right. Because chip production is so variable,
KM> some work better than others, and whatever the batch tests at is
KM> how they'll be labeled. Lesser chips may "overclock" because some
KM> will actually be up to it.
Yea! I was right! As for overclocking, I don't do mainly because of the overall concept of it's designed for only so much, very possible to do
more for a short period of time but after that it fails.
My way of thinking: If overclocking makes something uncomfortably
or inconveniently hot, it should not be done. If it still runs
within normal parameters, then not a problem.
Lately learned that I should be able to "overclock" Fireball's
RAM, because it actually runs at the higher speed, given a
choice. CPU supports it, board supposedly does... if Lenovo
didn't disable it. Haven't looked yet. Would be a significant
performance boost (to where Fireball could claim "fastest PC in
the house").
KM> And there will be occasional freak chips that can "overclock" to
KM> something ridiculous, like over 5GHz.
Remember when we were ecstatic at the 8088's 16 MHz?!
I think the first PC I ever used was like 4MHz... so slow you had
to wait for it to wait for itself! However, it did the job... I
still have the 5" floppies for it here somewhere, for DOS5 and
WordPerfect 5.0.
KM> And it makes gamers very happy when they can buy a cheaper CPU
KM> and "overclock" it to something silly like that.
Well yeah: I like a bargain too!
Yeah, tho their case is rather a false economy... gambling, in
fact.
Anyway, I only look at rated speed, and don't consider
overclocking when I shop. If it can gracefully do so, great! If
not, I still got what I paid for and am not gambling on being
able to make it happen.
KM> But there is really no such thing as overclocking; there is only
KM> running a chip up to its maximum ability.
Agree. I'm thinking the manufacturers want to be able to sell a (say) 6
GHz chip, and maybe actually have it, but the problem is becomes unstable/overheats/requires a lot of power/whatever. Cut it down to 4
GHz, problems go away. ...Let the tinkers deal with those issues, we said
Yep. Vaguely recall some CPU managed 7GHz, but keeping it running
without melting a hole in the board... that's why they do oil
immersion, to cool the whole thing.
it's only good to this level. And Clyde the Corporate Lawyer reminded
to include the 'overclocking may void warranty' clause.
That too. No corporation with attorneys on staff would ever allow overclocked anything to come anywhere NEAR their work (see
above).
KM> Back in the olden days, for a while the P75 was the market sweet
KM> spot. Intel was already producing P90 CPUs, but they were widely
KM> viewed as too expensive. But P90 was what was coming out of the
KM> production line, and they cost the same to make regardless, so
KM> they rebadged a bunch of those P90s and sold them as P75s. In
KM> fact I've only seen one P75 that was really only 75MHz and would
KM> not "overclock" to 90MHz, because of this.
Makes sense to me.
What did not make sense was the two identical boards... both
Micro-Star (MSI in their early days; they used to suck, but have
improved greatly). Two early Pentium CPUs, one labeled 66MHz, the
other labeled 60MHz.
KM> Computers channel had a good go-over of the various types a while
KM> back. I printed out his conclusions chart and put it in my
KM> wallet. :)
(Ky has a George Costanza wallet; very little money, but stuffed full of notes, coupons, phone number strips for guitar lessons....)
How did you know??!
And I've had the same wallet since 1973...
Actually something I should do but electronically; store in the phone
as I usually carry when I go out. Guess I'll have to learn how to use
it for something beside talking, pictures, and a schedule calendar!
I don't normally carry the phone, or if I do, it's the Retard
Phone. For some unknown reason the iPhone666s (as I renamed it)
will only do Wifi and can't reliably see the cell tower. I don't
much care, since it has such a crap battery (3 hours talk, about
6 hours idle, and that's how crap they are brand new!) that I
just leave it plugged in at home. Well, it was free...
Did I tell the tale of that piece of *#$#%?? There is no getting
its bluetooth to speak to anything but another apple device,
unless it's a dumb device like headphones or keyboard. It can see
the linux box over wifi (for some reason PCLOS will let the
iPhone, and ONLY the iPhone, see its precious files) and I can
copy over my .vcf file, but it will not import that. So how the
heck do I import contacts? Had to email it to myself, set it up
to see GMail (it can only see GMail or Apple Mail) ...let it
fetch mail (geezus, not all 120,000 messages in that account,
stop!!!!) and THEN it will import contacts.
And then Ting issued me a phone number from up in Ronan. Which is
on the Flathead Indian reservation. Apparently from all the
beating my head against the durn iPhone, I became an honorary
tribal member... maybe I should try smoke signals....
KM> Only buy Sandisk now regardless, but still there are different
KM> types, and not all work well for everything.
Right, like some hard drives are recommended for lots of writes and few reads (surveillance ==> constant recording, occasional playback) some
memory cards are designed for lots of writes and fewer reads, some the
other way.
Yeah, and more important vibration tolerance, because there's a
lot more of it if you have a bunch of drives in close proximity.
> Brand 1. ...Essentially depends on Reads, Writes. Also seems if a lot
> of writes then better off with a larger capacity card even though means
> a lot of unused space: each (segment) has only so many writes
> available, so if writing a lot then if to a small capacity card one uses
> the same (segment) over and over again, so exhausts/dies effectively
KM> Yeah, true of all flash devices, including SSDs.
I'm thinking with my RPi problem somewhere above going from the the
current 32 GB card, which shows as having lots of room, to a 64 GB card. Data should be rattling around loose!
See above. It's not a space issue, it's a tired card issue.
KM> Yeah... could chuck it into one of the other boxen but... well,
KM> it was both cheap and works, what's not to like??
It's lime green!
<eyes bag of old flash drives, sees lime green, hot pink...
brown??!>
KM> Yeah, they're not really enticing me with the more-recent
KM> shenanigans. Win11 has some nice features, but for every nice
KM> feature there's an equal and negating WTF.
I'm thinking most people stick with Windows because they don't know of something different or are afraid to make the change. Admittedly
Or have liability concerns, which is the real reason business
doesn't.
switching from Windows-think to Linux-think is a slight challenge. And I guess Linux is more for 'fiddlers' -- maybe not as easy for those users
Too true. Tho more make an effort to be normal-user friendly
these days.
used to clicking. I still like the command line - sometimes easier. ..Sometimes.
Hahaha. Come see my Neon setup and say that a bit louder. <g>
KM> I once suggested to a MSFT rep that it would be really nice to
KM> have modular desktops, so we could use whichever style of Windows
KM> we prefer while having the benefits of updated underpinnings. He
KM> said they were actually considering that, but obviously nothing
KM> came of it.
Or at least yet. Or could have been said to placate you: yes, we're
working on that, in the meantime you still have to use the old junk but
with the hopes of something good.
We had a substantial discussion about it. They really were
looking at it. But there'd have to be a support disconnect
between "supported" and "your old crap" desktops, and that likely
made it infeasible.
There have been very few times I've been concerned for my safety with storms. Not to be misinterpreted as foolhardiness -- I'd make a lousy storm chaser!
I'm a storm spotter, but NOT a chaser. Too many crazies out
there.
The ones who are WANTING severe weather...I hope they get what
they ask for...and THEY are the ones who suffer injury, damage,
etc. I feel that if The Good Lord had wanted us to know
everything about severe weather, He would've told us by now.
How does one put spots on a strorm??
Either that or we're not paying attention. Personally I like the challenge of severe weather. OTOH I'm still wanting limitations: 50
MPH winds -- bring it on: I can handle that! 100 MPH winds --
<whimper!>
Either that or we're not paying attention. Personally I like the
challenge of severe weather. OTOH I'm still wanting limitations: 50 MPH winds -- bring it on: I can handle that! 100 MPH winds -- <whimper!>
Either that or we're not paying attention. Personally I like the
challenge of severe weather. OTOH I'm still wanting limitations: 50 MPH winds -- bring it on: I can handle that! 100 MPH winds -- <whimper!>
In central Montana, we call 100mph winds Tuesday. <g>
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