• Re: 286 Is So Cool!

    From MIKE POWELL@21:1/175 to KIRKSPRAGG on Thu Apr 18 08:35:00 2024
    Tried web browsing via Arachne & that was a bit painfull due to how slow it
    was..
    [K=>M]

    I can remember it being somewhat slow on a Pentium-166 but part of the
    reason there was that I was still on dial-up. ;) I cannot imagine trying
    to use a graphic web browser on anything much slower. IMHO, a lot of web
    pages these days are made to make things run slow.

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  • From MIKE POWELL@21:1/175 to PAULIE420 on Thu Apr 18 08:37:00 2024
    NOT writing this b/c mary's offer is bad - at all - but in the past month I've
    found RE-PC in the Seattle/Tukwila area... they sell all sorts of vintage
    electronics; tested/working vintage boards are $60-100 and I saw everything
    from Pentium4 to 286 board
    [P=>M]

    Saw your YT video on that place. Looks like someplace I could spend a good part of a day in. They appeared to have a *lot* of stuff!

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 18 15:04:23 2024
    Re: Re: 286 Is So Cool!
    By: MIKE POWELL to KIRKSPRAGG on Thu Apr 18 2024 08:35 am

    I can remember it being somewhat slow on a Pentium-166 but part of the reason there was that I was still on dial-up. ;) I cannot imagine trying to use a graphic web browser on anything much slower. IMHO, a lot of web pages these days are made to make things run slow.

    I first started using the internet in late 1995, and at the time, I had a 386DX-40 running DOS and Windows 3.1, and either a 14.4k or 33.6k modem (I don't remember which I had by then). I was using Netscape on Windows (I think I started with version 2 or something), and I remember it being usable. Web sites back then were fairly light compared to web sites today, so it wasn't too bad. I think the bottleneck at the time was probably the dialup modem speed.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 18 18:57:59 2024
    NOT writing this b/c mary's offer is bad - at all - but in the past month I've
    found RE-PC in the Seattle/Tukwila area...

    Saw your YT video on that place. Looks like someplace I could spend a good part of a day in. They appeared to have a *lot* of stuff!

    My video is just a quickee - I noticed another youtuber posted a deeper dive... one of the Macintosh guys. Mac Something - worth a YT search, I don't have the link on me anymore. But they posted a video about RE-PC a couple days after mine - it was really good.



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  • From MIKE POWELL@21:1/175 to BEN COLLVER on Fri Apr 19 08:42:00 2024
    I think the deal breaker for me is no TLS. Very few web sites are
    accessible over http: any more. I am kinda done with the web.
    [BC=>S]

    Yeah, I only use it when I have to. I still find wikipedia useful, but otherwise don't use it much.

    Mike

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  • From MIKE POWELL@21:1/175 to PAULIE420 on Fri Apr 19 08:44:00 2024
    My video is just a quickee - I noticed another youtuber posted a deeper dive...
    one of the Macintosh guys. Mac Something - worth a YT search, I don't have the
    link on me anymore. But they posted a video about RE-PC a couple days after
    mine
    [P=>MP]

    I will have to be careful or I might find myself traveling to the Pacific
    NW. :) I actually have too many old hardware things around... mostly old soundcards, network cards, and a few winmodems... that I "inherited" when others upgraded their systems or switched to apple.

    Mike

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to All on Sat Apr 20 09:42:23 2024
    hmm ilove my vga on my 286! >:3

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  • From kirkspragg@21:1/158 to MIKE POWELL on Sat Apr 20 02:01:04 2024
    I think the deal breaker for me is no TLS. Very few web sites are
    accessible over http: any more. I am kinda done with the web.
    Yeah, I only use it when I have to. I still find wikipedia useful, but otherwise don't use it much.

    Frog Find (http://www.frogfind.com) is your friend here. Is a search engine for vintage computers & also works as a https to http proxy. So if you find a
    https site via frog find it will act as a proxy and give you a http version of it.

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  • From kirkspragg@21:1/158 to mary4 on Sat Apr 20 02:05:40 2024
    hmm ilove my vga on my 286! >:3

    What VGA card are you currently using? I've tried a few out (Oak, Trident & Tseng) and my Tseng ET4000 noticeably outperforms the others but EGA compatibilty is a bit iffy. Some games namely ID sortware platformers like dangerous dave & monster bash don't quite work 100% correctly...

    Anyone know if there is a way around that??

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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Kirkspragg on Fri Apr 19 18:45:04 2024
    Frog Find (http://www.frogfind.com) is your friend here.
    Is a search engine for vintage computers & also works as
    a https to http proxy. So if you find a
    https site via frog find it will act as a proxy and give
    you a http version of it.

    Thanks for sharing the FrogFind link, I hadn't seen that before and it looks really useful!


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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to kirkspragg on Sat Apr 20 12:21:42 2024
    What VGA card are you currently using? I've tried a few out (Oak,
    Trident & Tseng) and my Tseng ET4000 noticeably outperforms the others
    but EGA compatibilty is a bit iffy. Some games namely ID sortware platformers like dangerous dave & monster bash don't quite work 100% correctly...

    Anyone know if there is a way around that??

    i think it is a WDC VGA WD90c30 chip vga card
    with 1mb of ram. it is really neat! it can do high res images!

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From MIKE POWELL@21:1/175 to KIRKSPRAGG on Sat Apr 20 10:46:00 2024
    Frog Find (http://www.frogfind.com) is your friend here. Is a search engine for
    vintage computers & also works as a https to http proxy. So if you find a https site via frog find it will act as a proxy and give you a http version of it.
    [K=>MP]

    Yes, I do use it pretty regular on older/slower machines. I have found it
    can handle most pages I want to go to, although there are a few I have
    tried where it is not able to "translate" them into simple html. IIRC,
    those were news sites or other sites with lots of ads.

    Mike

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  • From MIKE POWELL@21:1/175 to AKACASTOR on Sat Apr 20 10:47:00 2024
    Thanks for sharing the FrogFind link, I hadn't seen that before and it looks really useful!
    [A=>K]

    He is right. Overall it is very useful.

    Mike

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to mary4 on Sat Apr 20 14:03:47 2024
    i think it is a WDC VGA WD90c30 chip vga card
    with 1mb of ram. it is really neat! it can do high res images!

    How well does it work with EGA games? Just wondering if I should look at getting something similar as my ET4000 glitches a bit with some EGA titles.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to kirkspragg on Sun Apr 21 08:02:00 2024
    What VGA card are you currently using? I've tried a few out (Oak, Trident & Tseng) and my Tseng ET4000 noticeably outperforms the others but EGA compatibilty is a bit iffy. Some games namely ID sortware platformers like

    It's been a Loooong time... Tseng was definitely the cream of the crop. They ended up belonging to ATI and ultimately AMD. All the ET4000s I saw came
    with 4 dipswitches, which affected memory usage I think. Could be this is pushing your EGA video out of regular mapping.

    It might also just be your video card. Can't say I saw a problem with any of them doing this. Maybe its got faulty memory, like 1 chip getting a bit
    flakey or its a poor card its in. There were some horses for courses
    sporting the chipset in the end, they weren't all born equal.

    Spec


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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Apr 21 09:50:13 2024
    Yes, I do use it pretty regular on older/slower machines. I have found
    it can handle most pages I want to go to, although there are a few I have tried where it is not able to "translate" them into simple html. IIRC, those were news sites or other sites with lots of ads.

    Mike

    i need microweb to compile on other OSes than windows

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to kirkspragg on Sun Apr 21 09:51:28 2024
    How well does it work with EGA games? Just wondering if I should look at getting something similar as my ET4000 glitches a bit with some EGA titles.


    yeah it works really well with Commander Keen! :D

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From MIKE POWELL@21:1/175 to MARY4 on Sun Apr 21 09:13:00 2024

    MP> Yes, I do use it pretty regular on older/slower machines. I have found MP> it can handle most pages I want to go to, although there are a few I have
    MP> tried where it is not able to "translate" them into simple html. IIRC, MP> those were news sites or other sites with lots of ads.

    i need microweb to compile on other OSes than windows
    [M=>MP]

    I have never used or tried to compile microweb so I am not sure what it
    needs. I was referring to the frogfind.com webpage, which I use on older, slower linux machines.

    Mike

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