• Pocket386 is here!

    From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to All on Wed Apr 17 21:22:36 2024
    I received a Pocket386 today!

    For anyone who hasn't heard of Pocket386 (I have mentioned it lately, but who listens to me), it's a new small-form factor 386 notebook sold on AliExpress. New old stock - or possibly pulled, as in the case of these 386 CPUs - parts are combined with new parts to build a weird little retro PC.

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005542582463.html

    Dimensions: 21x12x3cm

    386 SX 40MHz Ali M6117
    8MB DRAM
    VGA
    640x480 / 800x480 resolution
    CompactFlash storage
    USB storage (CH375B)
    OPL3 sound card

    There is an included dongle for a parallel port, and a dongle for VGA & 2x PS2 ports. The ISA bus is available on the back of the machine, adapter to plug in ISA cards is sold separate (or DIY).

    I just opened the box and turned it on for a couple minutes, my first impression of it is positive.

    First off, the printed manual in the box has the pages in the correct order - this is already an improvement over the Book8088 I received. :)

    Second, I plugged the power adapter in, turned on the machine and it booted right up to the DOS prompt. Typed 'win' and Windows95 started. There is a "built in mouse", the arrow keys on the keyboard can be used to control the mouse cursor - my first impression after trying it is it seems more usable than I had expected.

    Back in DOS, I checked the GAMES folder on the included CompactFlash card (drive C:) and Wolf3D fired right up, with Adlib sound, looks and sounds good. I didn't try DOOM yet but they've included it also.

    Things I don't like - I would have liked to see a serial port included, but at least it's possible to plug into the ISA bus so a dongle can be added. (I got the version 2 Book8088 with serial port built in and that's handy for BBSing of course.)

    I ordered the Pocket386 March 31 and it was delivered to me (Vancouver Island, BC, Canada) April 17.

    Now I have to spend some time with the Pocket386 and see how it holds up after the excitement of unboxing a weird little gadget wears off.


    Chris/akacastor

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to AKAcastor on Wed Apr 17 22:48:14 2024
    I received a Pocket386 today!

    Isn't it the last 'open' CPU? Not old hardware, but new??



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to AKAcastor on Thu Apr 18 17:21:00 2024
    386 SX 40MHz Ali M6117 8MB DRAM VGA 640x480 / 800x480 resolution

    Second, I plugged the power adapter in, turned on the machine and it booted right up to the DOS prompt. Typed 'win' and Windows95 started. There is a "built in mouse", the arrow keys on the keyboard can be used to

    SX-40? I'd expect it to behave with Win95 like a bit of a slug. Back in 95,
    I tried installed it on a DX-40, and while it ran, you wouldn't want to use
    it for much... I think I ended up with a napster server on that box for a while.

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to AKAcastor on Thu Apr 18 18:22:21 2024
    I received a Pocket386 today!

    For anyone who hasn't heard of Pocket386 (I have mentioned it lately,
    but who listens to me), it's a new small-form factor 386 notebook sold
    on AliExpress. New old stock - or possibly pulled, as in the case of these 386 CPUs - parts are combined with new parts to build a weird
    little retro PC.

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005542582463.html

    Dimensions: 21x12x3cm

    386 SX 40MHz Ali M6117
    8MB DRAM
    VGA
    640x480 / 800x480 resolution
    CompactFlash storage
    USB storage (CH375B)
    OPL3 sound card

    There is an included dongle for a parallel port, and a dongle for VGA &
    2x PS2 ports. The ISA bus is available on the back of the machine, adapter to plug in ISA cards is sold separate (or DIY).

    I just opened the box and turned it on for a couple minutes, my first impression of it is positive.

    First off, the printed manual in the box has the pages in the correct order - this is already an improvement over the Book8088 I received. :)

    Second, I plugged the power adapter in, turned on the machine and it booted right up to the DOS prompt. Typed 'win' and Windows95 started. There is a "built in mouse", the arrow keys on the keyboard can be used
    to control the mouse cursor - my first impression after trying it is it seems more usable than I had expected.

    Back in DOS, I checked the GAMES folder on the included CompactFlash card (drive C:) and Wolf3D fired right up, with Adlib sound, looks and sounds good. I didn't try DOOM yet but they've included it also.

    Things I don't like - I would have liked to see a serial port included, but at least it's possible to plug into the ISA bus so a dongle can be added. (I got the version 2 Book8088 with serial port built in and
    that's handy for BBSing of course.)

    I ordered the Pocket386 March 31 and it was delivered to me (Vancouver Island, BC, Canada) April 17.

    Now I have to spend some time with the Pocket386 and see how it holds up after the excitement of unboxing a weird little gadget wears off.



    i has the 4:3 book 8088 machine and i love my 16 bit binky!

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to paulie420 on Thu Apr 18 18:24:19 2024
    Isn't it the last 'open' CPU? Not old hardware, but new??

    the 486 to 686 (pentium ][) is open i think

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to mary4 on Thu Apr 18 18:56:56 2024
    Isn't it the last 'open' CPU? Not old hardware, but new??

    the 486 to 686 (pentium ][) is open i think

    Now THOSE are systems that I'd love to see 'new options' for. My favorite platform of all time the the 486, but I'm looking to add something much faster this year - Pentium-II, Pentium-4, 686... something that runs the next generation OS and softwarez. :P



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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to paulie420 on Fri Apr 19 22:51:53 2024
    Now THOSE are systems that I'd love to see 'new options' for. My favorite platform of all time the the 486, but I'm looking to add something much faster this year - Pentium-II, Pentium-4, 686... something that runs the next generation OS and softwarez. :P

    yeah i love the 486 it is a great cpu and system platform! <3

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to paulie420 on Fri Apr 19 23:03:00 2024
    Now THOSE are systems that I'd love to see 'new options' for. My favorite platform of all time the the 486, but I'm looking to add something much

    Although a 6502 guy, and have had any number of x86 boxes... I have a soft
    spot for a Mac IIfx, all those nifty nubus slots, it was like the Apple II of the Mac world.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Fri Apr 19 10:30:11 2024
    Re: Re: Pocket386 is here!
    By: Spectre to paulie420 on Fri Apr 19 2024 11:03 pm

    Although a 6502 guy, and have had any number of x86 boxes... I have a soft spot for a Mac IIfx, all those nifty nubus slots, it was like the Apple II of the Mac world.

    And the fastest Mac for a long time. You had to be a kick-ass creative guy to get a IIfx, the rest of us had to limp along with IIcis.

    Although, my IIci with a cache card, high-end graphics, a 1GB external HDD and DAT tape drive and a 15" Sony monitor was one of my favorite systems of all time.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Apr 20 13:04:00 2024
    And the fastest Mac for a long time. You had to be a kick-ass creative guy to get a IIfx, the rest of us had to limp along with IIcis.

    If'n I recall right, came with an 030 cpu, and there were 040 upgrades around for it. Friend o' mine had one for years.. until after Nubus disappeared completely.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Sat Apr 20 11:50:00 2024
    Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    And the fastest Mac for a long time. You had to be a kick-ass creative guy to get a IIfx, the rest of us had to limp along with IIcis.

    If'n I recall right, came with an 030 cpu, and there were 040 upgrades around for it. Friend o' mine had one for years.. until after Nubus disappeared completely.

    Now, I'm hearing that "bong" startup chord in my head.



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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Apr 20 13:44:30 2024
    If'n I recall right, came with an 030 cpu, and there were 040 upgrades around for it. Friend o' mine had one for years.. until after Nubus disappeared completely.

    Now, I'm hearing that "bong" startup chord in my head.

    Good day for it to come up - it's not the only bong sound being heard on this special day! Happy 4/20! :)


    Chris/akacastor


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Apr 21 07:55:00 2024
    Now, I'm hearing that "bong" startup chord in my head.

    Chuckle, you ever hear an Interlink Voidax modem start up? Came out with exactly the same bong... It'd annoy a lot of the Mac guys no end, when you started saying "Welcome to Voidax" after they turned their pooty on. :)

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to AKAcastor on Sun Apr 21 16:23:00 2024
    Good day for it to come up - it's not the only bong sound being heard on this special day! Happy 4/20! :)

    What is special about 4/20? Assuming its 20th o' April.... <boggle>

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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Spectre on Sun Apr 21 01:48:34 2024
    Good day for it to come up - it's not the only bong sound being heard on this special day! Happy 4/20! :)

    What is special about 4/20? Assuming its 20th o' April.... <boggle>

    4/20 (April 20th) is a cannabis celebration day.


    Chris/akacastor



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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to Spectre on Sun Apr 21 22:35:14 2024
    What is special about 4/20? Assuming its 20th o' April.... <boggle>

    cannabis day. fuckin blaze it

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  • From Roon@21:4/148 to AKAcastor on Tue Apr 23 21:29:57 2024
    Hello AKAcastor,

    Answering a msg of <17 Apr 24>, from you to All:

    these are the guys who stole the open source bios ? :)

    Regards,
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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Roon on Tue Apr 23 13:25:18 2024
    these are the guys who stole the open source bios ? :)

    Yes, the Book8088 uses Sergey Kiselev's 8088_bios, and did so without proper attribution.

    I believe the Book8088 has been brought into compliance after complaints were made, though I don't really know for sure if it's been dealt with to Sergey's satisfaction.

    Sergey's version does now "officially" support Book8088 machines, so the BIOS can be replaced easily with an official / updated version.
    https://github.com/skiselev/8088_bios


    Chris/akacastor


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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to AKAcastor on Wed Apr 24 22:58:33 2024
    Sergey's version does now "officially" support Book8088 machines, so the BIOS can be replaced easily with an official / updated version. https://github.com/skiselev/8088_bios



    i gotta update the bios then!

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  • From jimmylogan@21:1/137 to AKAcastor on Sat May 18 08:43:00 2024
    AKAcastor wrote to All <=-

    I received a Pocket386 today!

    I will be checking that out! Cool - thank you!

    For anyone who hasn't heard of Pocket386 (I have mentioned it lately,
    but who listens to me), it's a new small-form factor 386 notebook sold
    on AliExpress. New old stock - or possibly pulled, as in the case of these 386 CPUs - parts are combined with new parts to build a weird
    little retro PC.

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005542582463.html

    I don't remember it, but I also spent a while OFF the BBS's - and
    Facebook - and HAM - etc. But now life is settling back into a
    more smooth routine, and my knees are worse, so I have more
    'screentime.' :-)



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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Jimmylogan on Sun May 19 12:45:56 2024
    I received a Pocket386 today!

    I will be checking that out! Cool - thank you!

    I haven't gotten back to actually playing with my Pocket386, but I do still have that first impression of "it's pretty neat!" (just needs a serial port!!)

    For anyone who hasn't heard of Pocket386 (I have mentioned it lately,
    but who listens to me), it's a new small-form factor 386 notebook sold
    on AliExpress. New old stock - or possibly pulled, as in the case of these 386 CPUs - parts are combined with new parts to build a weird
    little retro PC.
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005542582463.html

    I don't remember it, but I also spent a while OFF the BBS's - and
    Facebook - and HAM - etc. But now life is settling back into a
    more smooth routine, and my knees are worse, so I have more
    'screentime.' :-)

    Sorry about the knees, trouble with knees is rough, though more screentime isn't entirely the worst situation - lots of BBSing to keep up on! :) I hope you're well and have plenty of time for fun projects.


    Chris/akacastor

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  • From jimmylogan@21:1/137 to AKAcastor on Fri May 24 12:36:00 2024
    AKAcastor wrote to Jimmylogan <=-

    I don't remember it, but I also spent a while OFF the BBS's - and
    Facebook - and HAM - etc. But now life is settling back into a
    more smooth routine, and my knees are worse, so I have more
    'screentime.' :-)

    Sorry about the knees, trouble with knees is rough, though more
    screentime isn't entirely the worst situation - lots of BBSing to keep
    up on! :) I hope you're well and have plenty of time for fun projects.

    Thanks. Gel shots every so often work wonders...

    I have a Ham radio in the house now - working on getting an antenna on a nice tall pole/tower.

    I have fallen behind on my Bible Study and working on my blog as a result
    of more screen time, and I have to balance that, but otherwise it's been
    fun. :-) I'm making contact with people on the air and on FB that I had
    lost touch with. :-)

    If you're interested -

    https://jimmylogan.substack.com





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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Jimmylogan on Fri May 24 13:41:42 2024
    Thanks. Gel shots every so often work wonders...

    It's been years since I had Jello shots! Delicious.

    I have a Ham radio in the house now - working on getting
    an antenna on a nice tall pole/tower.

    I haven't gotten into radio myself but I do appreciate hearing about the interesting equipment and infrastructure involved.


    Chris/akacastor

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to AKAcastor on Fri Jun 21 04:27:28 2024
    i think the 386 is too modern for me xD you can run much more stuff on a 386 than a 286. like netbsd! XD

    if only they made a pocket 286 :>

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Mary4 on Thu Jun 20 22:40:28 2024
    i think the 386 is too modern for me xD you can run much
    more stuff on a 386 than a 286. like netbsd! XD

    16 bits does seem more than enough, was 32 bits ever really necessary?

    if only they made a pocket 286 :>

    I agree that would be an interesting machine! I think it's possible, if the developer happens to find a big stash of 286 chips, so we can keep hoping at least.


    Chris/akacastor


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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to AKAcastor on Fri Jun 21 10:12:27 2024
    Re: Re: Pocket386 is here!
    By: AKAcastor to Mary4 on Thu Jun 20 2024 22:40:28

    16 bits does seem more than enough, was 32 bits ever really necessary?

    I do have one example :)

    When the mighty Acorn were deciding what to do after the 6502-based BBC micro, they assessed a bunch of 16 bit processors of the era and were pretty unimpressed, finding them all deficient in some way.

    They looked at making their own processor and it soon occurred to them that the biggest bottleneck in current computers was memory access. It was slow and pushing data around a byte at a time multiplied the wait times. So if they were going to build their own processor, why not jump straight to 32 bits and quadruple the memory bandwidth?

    And that's how we got the ARM...

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to mary4 on Fri Jun 21 06:26:00 2024
    mary4 wrote to AKAcastor <=-

    i think the 386 is too modern for me xD you can run much more stuff on
    a 386 than a 286. like netbsd! XD

    Older version of MINIX run on a 286 - I was able to run a caching DNS
    server, web server and mail server on a 286 with 2mb of RAM.

    My desktop system at the time was a Pentium/133; I was bored at work and looking for a distraction.



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jun 26 01:25:00 2024
    Older version of MINIX run on a 286 - I was able to run a caching DNS server, web server and mail server on a 286 with 2mb of RAM.

    Way back when, at one stage I had examples of most every generation of CPU.. I still had an XT running mail on KA9Q along with some routing. Unfortunately
    500 moves later, things had to go...

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Wed Jun 26 08:45:00 2024
    Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Way back when, at one stage I had examples of most every generation of CPU.. I still had an XT running mail on KA9Q along with some routing. Unfortunately 500 moves later, things had to go...

    I played with KA9Q for a while - that was an amazing feat, showing
    exactly how much you could do on an XT. I remember The Little Garden,
    an ISP started by Tom Jennings ran on all KA9Q boxes when they first
    started out. They ended up growing pretty successfully then getting
    swallowed up in the ISP consolidation wars of the late '90s.
    Best->Verio->NTT.



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jun 27 14:18:00 2024
    CPU.. I still had an XT running mail on KA9Q along with some routing.

    I played with KA9Q for a while - that was an amazing feat, showing
    exactly how much you could do on an XT. I remember The Little Garden,

    I stopped using it, because its POP3 was a bit non-standard and required patching of newer clients at the time, and eventually it was just to hard.

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jun 26 23:43:31 2024
    I played with KA9Q for a while - that was an amazing feat, showing
    exactly how much you could do on an XT. I remember The Little Garden,

    I'm not familiar with KA9Q, what can it do? Could be fun to find a download somewhere and have a play with it.

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to AKAcastor on Fri Jun 28 08:06:50 2024
    16 bits does seem more than enough, was 32 bits ever really necessary?

    I agree that would be an interesting machine! I think it's possible, if the developer happens to find a big stash of 286 chips, so we can keep hoping at least.

    16 bit is all you need! :D i am using one of my 16 bit 286 machines here!
    <3

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 28 10:17:47 2024
    Older version of MINIX run on a 286 - I was able to run a caching DNS server, web server and mail server on a 286 with 2mb of RAM.

    THATS COOOL!! 2MB OF RAM IS ALL YOU NEED!!!! :D srsly thats cool!
    i need to upgrade the 286 here to 16 mb of ram if those darn boards WORKED! >:(. alot of rare fast 286 boards are faulty and need work because of bad soldering..

    pF> My desktop system at the time was a Pentium/133; I was bored at work
    and pF> looking for a distraction.


    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 28 10:42:44 2024
    whats ka9q?

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to kirkspragg on Fri Jun 28 10:48:38 2024
    I'm not familiar with KA9Q, what can it do? Could be fun to find a download somewhere and have a play with it.


    me neihter what is it? :D and how to i get it for my 286s?

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to mary4 on Thu Jun 27 18:34:52 2024
    Older version of MINIX run on a 286 - I was able to run a caching DNS server, web server and mail server on a 286 with 2mb of RAM.

    THATS COOOL!! 2MB OF RAM IS ALL YOU NEED!!!! :D srsly thats cool!
    i need to upgrade the 286 here to 16 mb of ram if those darn boards

    I was not aware that MINIX could do some much with such limited resources.
    Also RE 16MB support with 286 class machines, I've had some odd results with the motherboard I am currenlty using in my 286 PC & that you might run into.

    The board supports more than 4Mb of ram which is the usual max for most 286 motherbaords, but while it works fine with 10Mb installed (2 4Mb SIMMs + 2 1Mb SIMMs), 8Mb (2 4Mb SIMMs) just causes the bios to flip out completely, due to some weird bug. I have no idea what 16Mb would do as I just don't have enough 4Mb SIMMs to try.

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to kirkspragg on Fri Jun 28 12:16:58 2024
    I was not aware that MINIX could do some much with such limited
    resources. Also RE 16MB support with 286 class machines, I've had some
    odd results with the motherboard I am currenlty using in my 286 PC &
    that you might run into.

    i have 2 super rare 25MHz M216 rev 1.2 mobos these boards support the maximum of 16 MB. it's a crazy mobo. i just wish the solder the manufacturer used was not bloody TRASH. like the chipset needs to be soldered really well with good nice solder not this cheapo junk solder. i had to send it to my friend multiple times.

    ki> The board supports more than 4Mb of ram which is the usual max
    for most ki> 286 motherbaords, but while it works fine with 10Mb installed (2 4Mb ki> SIMMs + 2 1Mb SIMMs), 8Mb (2 4Mb SIMMs) just causes the bios to flip out ki> completely, due to some weird bug. I have no idea what 16Mb would do as ki> I just don't have enough 4Mb SIMMs to try.

    depends opn the mobo :D

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From Vorlon@21:1/196 to kirkspragg on Fri Jun 28 16:11:58 2024
    Hi Kirkspragg,

    On Wednesday June 26 2024, Kirkspragg said to poindexter FORTRAN:

    I played with KA9Q for a while - that was an amazing feat, showing
    exactly how much you could do on an XT. I remember The Little Garden,

    I'm not familiar with KA9Q, what can it do? Could be fun to find a
    download somewhere and have a play with it.

    KA9Q is a networking stack for DOS based amchines (It was also ported to
    other machines, like the Amiga). It has/had many features for the limited resource of the early machines. Ie: 286.

    You should be able to find it with a google search.

    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to mary4 on Fri Jun 28 03:41:49 2024
    i have 2 super rare 25MHz M216 rev 1.2 mobos these boards support the maximum of 16 MB. it's a crazy mobo. i just wish the solder the manufacturer used was not bloody TRASH. like the chipset needs to be soldered really well with good nice solder not this cheapo junk solder.
    i had to send it to my friend multiple times.

    Oh that sucks! I hope you solder woes are over and that you get many trouble free years of use from them now. I've never seen 25Mhz 286 motherboards turn up for sale, only the harris 25 Mhz 286 CPU itself. Where did you find yours?

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to kirkspragg on Fri Jun 28 22:54:00 2024
    Also RE 16MB support with 286 class machines, I've had some odd results with the motherboard I am currenlty using in my 286 PC & that you might run into.

    The board supports more than 4Mb of ram which is the usual max for most 286 motherbaords, but while it works fine with 10Mb installed (2 4Mb SIMMs + 2 1Mb SIMMs), 8Mb (2 4Mb SIMMs) just causes the bios to flip out completely, due to some weird bug. I have no idea what 16Mb would do as I just don't have enough 4Mb SIMMs to try.

    For most 286 Mobos 4Mb simms wouldn't not have existed during their
    lifetimes. If you can get your hands on one that came out of the US Defence then you've got more likelyhood. I don't remember what they got used for
    now, but they had 25-30Mhz 286 models doing something, long after 286s in general were obsolete.

    The one NEAT chipset board I had, couldn't see 4Mb SIPP/SIMMs at all.


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  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Jul 1 07:53:22 2024
    poindexter FORTRAN was heard saying....

    I played with KA9Q for a while - that was an amazing feat, showing
    exactly how much you could do on an XT. I remember The Little Garden,

    I ran an ISP for a while, and when we first opened we were using an old
    386 sx-16 as the router running ka9q. The rest of the network were linux boxes.

    Why did we do it this way? I can't remember. LOL



    Shawn

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Tiny on Tue Jul 2 07:43:00 2024
    I ran an ISP for a while, and when we first opened we were using an old 386 sx-16 as the router running ka9q. The rest of the network were linux boxes.

    If you get the basics of TCP/IP, then KA9Q has a lower learning curve than linux does. Might have been part of it, and or a machine that wasn't doing anything else? A 386 of pretty much any flavour was meant to be able to route enough packets for ~10 486 claass systems? Something like that, I forget.

    Spec


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  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Spectre on Tue Jul 2 05:20:08 2024
    Spectre was heard saying....

    If you get the basics of TCP/IP, then KA9Q has a lower learning curve
    than linux does.

    Honestly I don't remember why we went that way. I think just because it
    was easier as you say.

    Might have been part of it, and or a machine that
    wasn't doing anything else? A 386 of pretty much any flavour was meant
    to be able to route enough packets for ~10 486 claass systems? Something like that, I forget.

    That ka9q box handled the dedicated 28.8 connection to the internet. Then
    a linux box running a boca board handled the 8 lines we had for dialup
    once we started getting clients it became ISDN, then T1, then we were
    bought out. LOL



    Shawn

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to kirkspragg on Wed Jul 3 01:00:43 2024
    Oh that sucks! I hope you solder woes are over and that you get many trouble free years of use from them now. I've never seen 25Mhz 286 motherboards turn up for sale, only the harris 25 Mhz 286 CPU itself.
    yeah it's a pain in the ass
    Where did you find yours?

    i was lucky to find one on ebay

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Mon Jul 8 06:35:00 2024
    Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I stopped using it, because its POP3 was a bit non-standard and
    required patching of newer clients at the time, and eventually it was
    just to hard.

    One of my first IT victories was replacing a horrid Mac LAN-based email
    system with a BSD box, Qpopper and Eudora mail clients. We figured out
    how to push out address books, back up mailboxes and use Majordomo for
    most of our big email lists. It was all pretty cool for the early '90s.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to kirkspragg on Mon Jul 8 06:37:00 2024
    kirkspragg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I played with KA9Q for a while - that was an amazing feat, showing
    exactly how much you could do on an XT. I remember The Little Garden,

    I'm not familiar with KA9Q, what can it do? Could be fun to find a download somewhere and have a play with it.

    It's out there. It was an early internet app/environment for DOS, you
    could use it to route packets, it had a couple of internet servers
    built-in, and it could act as a TCP/IP client. Pretty heady stuff for
    DOS.

    https://www.ka9q.net/code/ka9qnos/



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to kirkspragg on Mon Jul 8 10:48:00 2024
    kirkspragg wrote to mary4 <=-

    Older version of MINIX run on a 286 - I was able to run a caching DNS server, web server and mail server on a 286 with 2mb of RAM.

    THATS COOOL!! 2MB OF RAM IS ALL YOU NEED!!!! :D srsly thats cool!
    i need to upgrade the 286 here to 16 mb of ram if those darn boards

    I was not aware that MINIX could do some much with such limited
    resources. Also RE 16MB support with 286 class machines, I've had some
    odd results with the motherboard I am currenlty using in my 286 PC &
    that you might run into.

    The board supports more than 4Mb of ram which is the usual max for most 286 motherbaords, but while it works fine with 10Mb installed (2 4Mb
    SIMMs + 2 1Mb SIMMs), 8Mb (2 4Mb SIMMs) just causes the bios to flip
    out completely, due to some weird bug. I have no idea what 16Mb would
    do as I just don't have enough 4Mb SIMMs to try.

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  • From jimmylogan@21:1/137 to AKAcastor on Sat Jul 13 12:06:00 2024
    AKAcastor wrote to Jimmylogan <=-

    Thanks. Gel shots every so often work wonders...

    It's been years since I had Jello shots! Delicious.

    Not what I meant at all - but maybe you knew that?

    I've never had Jell-O shots - no desire.

    I have a Ham radio in the house now - working on getting
    an antenna on a nice tall pole/tower.

    I haven't gotten into radio myself but I do appreciate hearing about
    the interesting equipment and infrastructure involved.

    Our 6 year old grandson has been with us for the last 6 weeks, so it's been unhooked. He enjoys the radio in the truck with me, but at home we've
    been busy with legos :-) And by the time the nightly nets start he's
    bathing and down for bed...

    Sadly he goes home this weekend, and next week we'll be at a conference.
    After that things get back to a routine, so I plan to work with it
    again.







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