• 286 is so cool!

    From mary4@21:1/166 to All on Wed Apr 17 01:28:25 2024
    i wrote this on my cherry4 system which is a 286 system! i fucking adore 286 systems so much i got 2 of them!! <3
    i have 3 very fast and rare 20+mHz boards~!
    2 at 20
    and 1 at 25
    i have 16 mb on all 3, but i use the 25mHz board the most and it has bad soldering at the chipset chip. so i sent it off to a friend to fix it as i have no skill with surface mount. i love my 16 bit systems!! <3

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  • From unixl0rd@21:2/150 to mary4 on Tue Apr 16 19:01:27 2024
    i wrote this on my cherry4 system which is a 286 system! i fucking adore 286 systems so much i got 2 of them!! <3

    Is the cherry 4 an SBC? Could you send me the link, please? You have piqued my curiosity.

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to mary4 on Tue Apr 16 23:18:01 2024
    i have 16 mb on all 3, but i use the 25mHz board the most and it has bad

    Wow I've got a 20 Mhz 286 and love it, been looking for a 25Mhz board but
    they are so hard to find! Is the speed increase noticable from 20Mhz?

    i wrote this on my cherry4 system which is a 286 system! i fucking adore 286 systems so much i got 2 of them!! <3

    Glad to see someone appreciates 286 systems. First PC we had at home was a
    286 hence my interest in them, what sparked your interest in them?

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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Kirkspragg on Wed Apr 17 00:05:06 2024
    Glad to see someone appreciates 286 systems. First PC we had at home was a 286 hence my interest in them, what sparked your interest in them?

    Great to see the 286 love around!

    I don't think I've ever owned a 286 - oh no - another thing I absolutely need to have! Maybe I can satisfy myself with some memories of 286 computers and stay away from eBay.

    I had a friend in school whose family got a 286 "late in the game" - I remember they bought it used from someone who told them it was just as good as some of the 386s that were popular at the time. We played Wolfenstein 3D on that computer, I remember I was impressed at the time that a game like that could actually run on a 286. I don't remember what clock speed that PC ran at.

    Another game we had a great time playing was Scorched Earth. It was a blast trying to blow up your friend before they hit you, and the variety of weapons was a lot of fun to explore.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched_Earth_(video_game)

    My friend had a Gravis gamepad hooked up to that 286, I don't remember how many games we actually used it with but I remember with every new game trying it and hoping it would be amazing with the gamepad. I remember playing a lot of games with the keyboard.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to kirkspragg on Wed Apr 17 20:25:00 2024
    Wow I've got a 20 Mhz 286 and love it, been looking for a 25Mhz board but they are so hard to find! Is the speed increase noticable from 20Mhz?

    I had a selection of 16s and 21Mhz boards once. The best of which I had a
    crack at overclocking.. I think the best is could manage was ~23Mhz. I don't know what the lowest speed part of the thing was tough.. I suspect the
    memory, it took both DIP chips and SIPPs... neither of which were real speed demons. If you're used to a 20/21Mhz 286 I don't think you'll notice much
    in the difference for a 25 for most stuff that it runs..

    Spec

    PS: 21Mhz versions were pretty common here. At least in the circles I moved.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to AKAcastor on Wed Apr 17 20:29:00 2024
    I had a friend in school whose family got a 286 "late in the game" - I remember they bought it used from someone who told them it was just as good as some of the 386s that were popular at the time. We played

    For a lot of stuff of the era, a fast 286 would've been in the ballpark for
    new 386s of the time. Unless you needed 386 protected mode which wasn't
    widely used for a while.

    Spec


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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to kirkspragg on Thu Apr 18 00:07:23 2024
    Wow I've got a 20 Mhz 286 and love it, been looking for a 25Mhz board but they are so hard to find! Is the speed increase noticable from 20Mhz?
    yea a bit just a lil bit. they are very hard to find! and expensive too!

    Glad to see someone appreciates 286 systems. First PC we had at home was
    a 286 hence my interest in them, what sparked your interest in them?

    when i was young the 1st computer i used was a 16-BIT SNES! the 1st computer i owned was a 8 bit gameboy color. i had so much fun on more limited hardware that i got into vintage computing right away!

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to AKAcastor on Thu Apr 18 00:34:56 2024
    Great to see the 286 love around!

    <3
    I don't think I've ever owned a 286 - oh no - another thing I absolutely need to have! Maybe I can satisfy myself with some memories of 286 computers and stay away from eBay.

    lol i have to buy them from there because i had none nor experience from them
    I had a friend in school whose family got a 286 "late in the game" - I remember they bought it used from someone who told them it was just as good as some of the 386s that were popular at the time. We played Wolfenstein 3D on that computer, I remember I was impressed at the time that a game like that could actually run on a 286. I don't remember
    what clock speed that PC ran at.

    wolf3d is a great benchmarker for 286 systems
    and the classic fps!
    i actually dont have a 386 system.
    why need it when u have 2 486s and 2 super fast 286s 1 at 16mHz and the other at 25mHz
    Another game we had a great time playing was Scorched Earth. It
    was a AK> blast trying to blow up your friend before they hit you, and the variety AK> of weapons was a lot of fun to explore.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched_Earth_(video_game)

    i should get it
    My friend had a Gravis gamepad hooked up to that 286, I don't remember
    how many games we actually used it with but I remember with every new
    game trying it and hoping it would be amazing with the gamepad. I remember playing a lot of games with the keyboard.



    i have 2 of those game pads!! :DDDD

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  • From slacker@21:1/140 to mary4 on Wed Apr 17 09:58:13 2024
    That's so cool! I have mTelnet and mTCP on my 486 so I'm able to access boards from it as well.
    I always had a soft spot for 286s for some reason.

    Unfortunately my 286 that I've owned for 25+ years seems to be dead for good. It's a Pulstar Turbo-16 that's 16MHz and 4MB of RAM. A bit back, I disassembled it to borrow a floppy drive from it and didn't know there was a loose 'bodge' wire on the bottom of the motherboard. Well, it popped off and I have no idea where it was soldered on. With it off, the computer doesn't boot at all or even beep when turned on. I tried searching where it was connected on the web but got nothing due to it being a random knockoff 286. Looking at the mobo for traces of where it could have been soldered also didn't work. I was able to find one side of where the wire went but not the other. :\

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to slacker on Thu Apr 18 01:43:41 2024
    That's so cool! I have mTelnet and mTCP on my 486 so I'm able to access boards from it as well.
    I always had a soft spot for 286s for some reason.

    ME TOO! :D MTCP IS AMAZING!

    Unfortunately my 286 that I've owned for 25+ years seems to be dead for good. It's a Pulstar Turbo-16 that's 16MHz and 4MB of RAM. A bit back, I disassembled it to borrow a floppy drive from it and didn't know there
    was a loose 'bodge' wire on the bottom of the motherboard. Well, it
    popped off and I have no idea where it was soldered on. With it off, the computer doesn't boot at all or even beep when turned on. I tried searching where it was connected on the web but got nothing due to it being a random knockoff 286. Looking at the mobo for traces of where it could have been soldered also didn't work. I was able to find one side
    of where the wire went but not the other. :\

    </3 u need that wire!
    i have a bunch of spare 286 boards i can send you one in similar specs if you pay 100$ and shipping.. xD they aint cheap boards now. i remember getting them for 60$ or a lower spec one not they are all over 100$ for working boards
    fucking ebay! aargh

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to slacker on Wed Apr 17 11:54:27 2024
    Unfortunately my 286 that I've owned for 25+ years seems to be dead for good. It's a Pulstar Turbo-16 that's 16MHz and 4MB of RAM. A bit back, I disassembled it to borrow a floppy drive from it and didn't know there
    was a loose 'bodge' wire on the bottom of the motherboard. Well, it
    popped off and I have no idea where it was soldered on. With it off, the computer doesn't boot at all or even beep when turned on. I tried

    Oh man that really sucks, my heart goes out to you. I've had a few cockups
    and near misses with my retro computing (recently partialy killed a Mmlti IO card because the unused IDE connector was rubbing up against a floppy drive
    & killed the IDE controller) and it really sucks.

    Don't lose heart, we all make mistakes and we learn from them.

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to kirkspragg on Thu Apr 18 09:33:16 2024
    Don't lose heart, we all make mistakes and we learn from them.

    yes! i made mistakes in the past before like putting the power connectors backwards .... on a pentium board

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to Spectre on Wed Apr 17 17:27:18 2024
    don't know what the lowest speed part of the thing was tough.. I suspect the memory, it took both DIP chips and SIPPs... neither of which were
    real speed demons. If you're used to a 20/21Mhz 286 I don't think

    Chipset & Bios settings seem to make quite a difference with the performance from what I've observed. Got a couple of 16Mhz boards and the performance differs quite a bit between them. My Headland H10 based 16Mhz board performs pretty close to my 20Mhz board probably because it can run the RAM with 0 wait states. The other one is a SARC chipset based board and it is quite noticeably slower...

    The SARC chipset board is seems to be a bit of a dog to be honest, slow, doesn't seem to have EMS support that I can find, no shadow mem support ect

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to mary4 on Wed Apr 17 17:36:43 2024
    ME TOO! :D MTCP IS AMAZING!

    Yes it is! What are you using it for on your 286 computers? Tried web browing on one of you 286es?

    Mosty use it for the ftp server to make file transfers easy. Also have managed to mount NFS file shares on my 286 with mtcp and XFS...

    Tried web browsing via Arachne & that was a bit painfull due to how slow it was..

    Doslynx works pretty well and can use all your 286's ram if you set it up right but is text only. I've not found anything better though.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to mary4 (All) on Wed Apr 17 17:38:16 2024
    That's so cool! I have mTelnet and mTCP on my 486 so I'm able to acce boards from it as well.
    I always had a soft spot for 286s for some reason.

    i have a bunch of spare 286 boards i can send you one in similar specs
    if you pay 100$ and shipping.. xD they aint cheap boards now. i remember getting them for 60$ or a lower spec one not they are all over 100$ for working boards fucking ebay! aargh

    NOT writing this b/c mary's offer is bad - at all - but in the past month I've found RE-PC in the Seattle/Tukwila area... they sell all sorts of vintage electronics; tested/working vintage boards are $60-100 and I saw everything from Pentium4 to 286 boards; but you can grab untested ones for $5-20!!!

    Such an awesome place, just in case anyone is in the pacific northwest U.S...

    There was a tested/working 486DX/100 for $100 that I almost wanted to pop on. :P



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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to kirkspragg on Thu Apr 18 11:44:42 2024
    Yes it is! What are you using it for on your 286 computers? Tried web browing on one of you 286es?

    right now games and bbs and music playing
    i also play vrchat on my laptop xD
    Mosty use it for the ftp server to make file transfers easy. Also have managed to mount NFS file shares on my 286 with mtcp and XFS...

    b a s e d :3
    Tried web browsing via Arachne & that was a bit painfull due to how slow it was..

    yeah :/
    Doslynx works pretty well and can use all your 286's ram if you set it
    up right but is text only. I've not found anything better though.

    dang
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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to paulie420 on Thu Apr 18 11:45:55 2024
    NOT writing this b/c mary's offer is bad - at all - but in the past
    month I've found RE-PC in the Seattle/Tukwila area... they sell all
    sorts of vintage electronics; tested/working vintage boards are $60-100 and I saw everything from Pentium4 to 286 boards; but you can grab untested ones for $5-20!!!

    Such an awesome place, just in case anyone is in the pacific northwest U.S...

    There was a tested/working 486DX/100 for $100 that I almost wanted to
    pop on. :P

    HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!~!!!!!!!!!@!! i want!!!!!!!
    gimmie! i'd buy all of the 286s

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to kirkspragg on Thu Apr 18 12:15:00 2024
    Chipset & Bios settings seem to make quite a difference with the performance from what I've observed. Got a couple of 16Mhz boards
    and the performance differs quite a bit between them. My Headland
    H10 based 16Mhz board performs pretty close to my 20Mhz board
    probably because it can run the RAM with 0 wait states. The other
    one is a SARC chipset based board and it is quite noticeably
    slower...

    I'd have to concur.. the other tid bit I have, is most of the 286 BIOS chips apprear to be pretty interchangable. I don't know SARC.. the most common we saw was AWARD and might have been HEADLAND... ponder... more than once I
    pulled bios from a board and just dropped in AWARD in its place. YMMV of course.

    This one I had was running an award BIOS, with a NEAT chipset. I don't think
    I ever saw another 286 with all the bells and whistles this one supported,
    CLK variation, wait states, and so much I had no idea about back then, and don't remember now :)

    Spec


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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to mary4 on Wed Apr 17 22:47:35 2024
    NOT writing this b/c mary's offer is bad - at all - but in the past month I've found RE-PC in the Seattle/Tukwila area... they sell all sorts of vintage electronics; tested/working vintage boards are $60-1 and I saw everything from Pentium4 to 286 boards; but you can grab untested ones for $5-20!!!

    Such an awesome place, just in case anyone is in the pacific northwes U.S...

    There was a tested/working 486DX/100 for $100 that I almost wanted to pop on. :P

    HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!~!!!!!!!!!@!! i want!!!!!!!
    gimmie! i'd buy all of the 286s

    I've a couple videos about RE-PC @TechHeart6090 on YT.



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  • From Rotorek@21:2/150 to AKAcastor on Thu Apr 18 02:26:50 2024
    Another game we had a great time playing was Scorched Earth. It was a blast trying to blow up your friend before they hit you, and the variety

    Yes sir! That was one of the best games I played in ms-dos.
    I have to check it out - if it's in exodos archive - I'll show it to my kids. Oughta be fun =)

    Rotorek

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  • From Lynx769@21:1/158 to Rotorek on Thu Apr 18 12:31:30 2024
    Yes sir! That was one of the best games I played in ms-dos.
    I have to check it out - if it's in exodos archive - I'll show it to my kids. Oughta be fun =)

    It is and I played a game with my kids the other day. Some YouTuber they watch did a series on retro games and they actually knew quite a bit about it. We had a blast.


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  • From Ben Collver@21:1/149 to kirkspragg on Thu Apr 18 10:44:38 2024
    Re: Re: 286 is so cool!
    By: kirkspragg to mary4 on Wed Apr 17 2024 05:36 pm

    Tried web browsing via Arachne & that was a bit painfull due to how
    slow it was..

    Doslynx works pretty well and can use all your 286's ram if you set
    it up right but is text only. I've not found anything better though.

    Have you tried Microweb? It should work on a 286, it can use EMS, and
    just yesterday 2.0 came out with support for displaying GIFs inline.

    https://github.com/jhhoward/MicroWeb/releases/tag/v2.0
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  • From slacker@21:2/150 to mary4 on Thu Apr 18 11:09:45 2024
    </3 u need that wire!

    Yeah... I have it all put together nice in the case under my desk. One day I'll try again to get it running. I managed to revive my Atari 400 and 5200 from non-boot black screen but those are a bit simpler machines than a 286. (Still gives me hope though!)


    i have a bunch of spare 286 boards i can send you one in similar specs
    if you pay 100$ and shipping.. xD they aint cheap boards now. i remember getting them for 60$ or a lower spec one not they are all over 100$ for working boards fucking ebay! aargh

    Thanks for the offer but I already have almost too much vintage tech in my office as is. Haha. Completely agree that the eBay prices have gotten INSANE lately on all vintage games and computers. Back in the day I would go down to the local Salvation Army and pick up complete 8088 clones with keyboard and monitor and such for $20 out the door. Unfortunately it looks like those days are over.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Ben Collver on Fri Apr 19 04:10:00 2024
    Have you tried Microweb? It should work on a 286, it can use EMS, and just yesterday 2.0 came out with support for displaying GIFs inline.

    Not wanting to disparage a new release.... but whens the last time you saw a web page with a .GIF in it? Still I guess it puts it in the road to dealing with .JPGs...

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  • From Ben Collver to Spectre on Thu Apr 18 18:57:22 2024
    Re: Re: 286 is so cool!
    By: Spectre to Ben Collver on Fri Apr 19 2024 04:10:00

    ... whens the last time you saw a web page with a .GIF in it?

    Here's an example :-)

    http://ftsc.org/

    I think the deal breaker for me is no TLS. Very few web sites are
    accessible over http: any more. I am kinda done with the web.
  • From mary4@21:1/166 to Ben Collver on Fri Apr 19 11:10:26 2024
    accessible over http: any more. I am kinda done with the web.
    i HATE the current http web now

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to Ben Collver on Fri Apr 19 11:49:12 2024
    Have you tried Microweb? It should work on a 286, it can use EMS, and just yesterday 2.0 came out with support for displaying GIFs inline.

    https://github.com/jhhoward/MicroWeb/releases/tag/v2.0
    i tried to compile it but lfn is required :/

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Ben Collver on Fri Apr 19 12:11:00 2024
    Here's an example :-)
    http://ftsc.org/

    Lol, thats like have a flash back to 1994 or so...

    I think the deal breaker for me is no TLS. Very few web sites are

    In theory, TLP ought to be non-TLS but... I don't have any GIFs :P

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  • From kirkspragg@21:1/158 to Ben Collver on Sat Apr 20 01:54:33 2024
    Have you tried Microweb? It should work on a 286, it can use EMS, and just yesterday 2.0 came out with support for displaying GIFs inline.

    Oooh there is a V2 release, I'll have to give it a shot ! I have tried micro web out but that whas a long time back & on an XT class machine & then sort of forgot about it. Frankley amazing that it worked as well it did, was actually useable if pretty limited.

    I look forward to giving the new release a spin on my 286.

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