• Retro, not Vintage

    From Abbub@21:2/145 to All on Sat Apr 6 07:01:37 2024
    So I'm posting this from a little RC2014 8-bit Z80 'modular computer'. It looks like a tiny little version of an S-100 system, and is (at the moment) running CP/M 2.2. As the title says, it's not vintage (given that I literally built it last weekend from a collection of new parts), but it's definitely retro. :)

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  • From smokku@21:1/222 to Abbub on Sat Apr 6 14:36:38 2024

    On 2024-04-06 7:01 Abbub said...
    As the title says, it's not vintage (given that
    I literally built it last weekend from a collection of new parts), but it's definitely retro. :)

    This is the exact distinction I personally use for some time.

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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Abbub on Sat Apr 6 11:10:52 2024
    So I'm posting this from a little RC2014 8-bit Z80
    'modular computer'. It looks like a tiny little version
    of an S-100 system, and is (at the moment) running CP/M
    2.2. As the title says, it's not vintage (given that I
    literally built it last weekend from a collection of new
    parts), but it's definitely retro. :)

    I've seen some posts online about the RC2014, it looks like a fun system. I'm curious what kind of peripherals and storage your setup has? What kind of display do you use? Is it actually S-100 compatible, or is it "in the style of a S-100 system"?

    Do you run vintage CP/M software? What do you use for a terminal emulator for calling BBSes?

    I'll save more questions for later! :)


    Chris/akacastor

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Abbub on Sat Apr 6 14:15:50 2024
    So I'm posting this from a little RC2014 8-bit Z80 'modular computer'.
    It looks like a tiny little version of an S-100 system, and is (at the moment) running CP/M 2.2. As the title says, it's not vintage (given
    that I literally built it last weekend from a collection of new parts), but it's definitely retro. :)

    I've seen these, and know there's a BBS thats running on this hardware - the project looks really cool, and I'm stoked that yer diving in and building one. Even cooler that you are dialing [TELNET] out with it!



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  • From apam@21:1/182 to AKAcastor on Sun Apr 7 09:16:00 2024
    On Sat Apr 6 11:10:00 2024, AKAcastor wrote to Abbub <=-

    So I'm posting this from a little RC2014 8-bit Z80
    'modular computer'. It looks like a tiny little version
    of an S-100 system, and is (at the moment) running CP/M
    2.2. As the title says, it's not vintage (given that I
    literally built it last weekend from a collection of new
    parts), but it's definitely retro. :)

    I've seen some posts online about the RC2014, it looks like a fun system. I'm curious what kind of peripherals and storage your setup has? What kind of display do you use? Is it actually S-100 compatible, or is it "in the style of a S-100 system"?


    I made a few of these systems a few years ago, only one rc2014 but more of steve cousins compatible machines, the display is almost always via serial, i don't know what S-100 is though.

    Storage depends on the addon cards, the bare rc2014 has no storage, (it also doesn't have cp/m) but you can add a compact flash card for storage. I also built an IDE card for mine and could plug in an IDE hard drive. (Which is really overkill for CP/M)

    Do you run vintage CP/M software? What do you use for a terminal emulator for calling BBSes?


    Yes, it runs vintage CP/M software (it's built with a Z80 CPU, so most stuff works. The terminal software is a bit tricker, because it depends on the serial ports you have (you need two seriial ports, one for the display, and one for the "modem" I used an SIO/2 serial card i don't remember what the terminal program i used was, but i'm sure kermit is available (though i don't think that was the one i used.)

    Andrew

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  • From Abbub@21:2/145 to Akacastor on Sat Apr 6 20:34:16 2024
    *** Quoting Akacastor to Abbub dated 04-06-24 ***
    system. I'm curious what kind of peripherals and storage your setup
    has? What kind of display do you use? Is it actually S-100
    compatible, or is it "in the style of a S-100 system"?

    This system has a Z80 processor running at 7 MHz and change, it has a 512K ROM ¨and 512K of memory. It has a dual clock board, so the system can run at one ¨clock speed, and other peripherals (if needed) can run off of a second clock. ¨(For instance, the serial port I'm 'dialing out' to tcpser with is actually ¨running at 9600 baud off of the second clock.) It also has a card that ¨provides dual serial ports, and a little digital IO card that has buttons and ¨LED that you can programmatically access.

    It doesn't have a 'display' as such, but rather is accessed through a serial ¨console. The main port (running off of the primary clock) is 115200 and I'm ¨connected to it using a terminal app that is pretending to be a VT100. Then ¨I'm dialing out through the second serial port at 9600 baud using a terminal ¨program called QTERM82.COM

    It's not S-100 compatible, but more in the style of S-100 (though much ¨smaller) where you have a 'motherboard' that's just a bunch of slots that you ¨can plug cards into. I actually *do* have a real S-100 system that I'm in the ¨process of restoring. (An IMS Series 8000, which is the first computer I ever ¨wrote software decades ago.)

    *** Quoting Akacastor to Abbub dated 04-06-24 ***
    Do you run vintage CP/M software? What do you use for a terminal
    emulator for calling BBSes?

    Yeah, I'm running CP/M 2.2 on it, and I'm calling in using a program called QTERM82. I was just a kid the last time I used CP/M, so I don't have a LOT of experience with it. I liken it as being to MS-DOS as middle English is to modern English. It's familiar, yet very odd.

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  • From Abbub@21:2/145 to Paulie420 on Sat Apr 6 20:37:09 2024
    *** Quoting Paulie420 to Abbub dated 04-06-24 ***
    I've seen these, and know there's a BBS thats running on this hardware

    yep. rc2014.ddns.net:2014 - I literally was just on it before I dialed into my own board to check for new fsxnet messages. :) It's kind of cool because it's a BBS experience that feels very 'golden age' and pre-dates my own experiences on boards from the mid-late 80s when most of the (big) boards in my area had moved to DOS based software.

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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Abbub on Sun Apr 7 14:52:00 2024
    It's not S-100 compatible, but more in the style of S-
    100 (though much smaller) where you have a
    'motherboard' that's just a bunch of slots that you can
    plug cards into. I actually *do* have a real S-100
    system that I'm in the process of restoring. (An IMS
    Series 8000, which is the first computer I ever wrote
    software decades ago.)

    Thanks for the explanation, that makes a lot of sense ("in the style of S-100") and sounds like fun.

    The IMS Series 8000 sounds super interesting too! I just googled and I think I found your thread about it on forum.vcfed.org. Very cool!

    Yeah, I'm running CP/M 2.2 on it, and I'm calling in
    using a program called QTERM82. I was just a kid the
    last time I used CP/M, so I don't have a LOT of
    experience with it. I liken it as being to MS-DOS as
    middle English is to modern English. It's familiar, yet very odd.

    I like your description of using CP/M. I have never used it, just am aware that may parts of DOS's early design are borrowed from CP/M, and have done some brief reading about Gary Kildall. I've watched a bunch of The Computer Chronicles episodes on YouTube, what a gem that show was and what a gem Gary was as co-host!


    Chris/akacastor

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  • From Abbub@21:2/145 to Akacastor on Sun Apr 7 21:10:41 2024
    *** Quoting Akacastor to Abbub dated 04-07-24 ***
    The IMS Series 8000 sounds super interesting too! I just googled and I
    think I found your thread about it on forum.vcfed.org. Very cool!
    Yep, that's probably my thread. I think there are about four people on the ¨VCFed forum who actually have one of these. One of the guys down in TX has ¨been helping me out quite a lot. There's just one more puzzle related to a ¨boot failure that I need to figure out. Then I'll call in from THAT system.

    *** Quoting Akacastor to Abbub dated 04-07-24 ***
    have done some brief reading about Gary Kildall. I've watched a bunch
    of The Computer Chronicles episodes on YouTube, what a gem that show
    was and what a gem Gary was as co-host!
    Yeah, I love watching those old episodes of the Computer Chronicles. It's particulary fun to reflect on the paranoia (here in the states) about what the Japanese computer industry was doing and how they might out-compete us. That never really panned out, but it's definitely something that got brought up a lot on those early shows.

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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Abbub on Mon Apr 8 19:16:02 2024
    Yeah, I love watching those old episodes of the Computer
    Chronicles. It's particulary fun to reflect on the
    paranoia (here in the states) about what the Japanese
    computer industry was doing and how they might out-
    compete us. That never really panned out, but it's
    definitely something that got brought up a lot on those
    early shows.

    Now that you mention it, I did notice that as a recurring theme. It caught my attention as I got into computers in the late 80s-90s, and by then I don't remember hearing about Japanese companies taking over the North American computer market.

    There was sure a LOT of change (and creation) going on in the 70s and 80s computers business!


    Chris/akacastor

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Abbub on Mon Apr 8 23:23:19 2024
    I've seen these, and know there's a BBS thats running on this hardware

    yep. rc2014.ddns.net:2014

    Thats the one - thanks for sharing so I can revisit it!!!!!



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  • From acn@21:3/127.1 to Abbub on Tue Apr 9 15:05:00 2024
    Am 06.04.24 schrieb Abbub@21:2/145 in FSX_RETRO:

    Hallo Abbub,

    It doesn't have a 'display' as such, but rather is accessed through a
    serial console. The main port (running off of the primary clock) is 115200 and I'm connected to it using a terminal app that is pretending to be a VT100. Then I'm dialing out through the second serial port at 9600 baud using a terminal program called QTERM82.COM

    Just fyi: The terminal program can be found in my Git repo: https://git.imzadi.de/acn/qterm
    as I've made some of the patches to QTERM, so it can be used on a
    RC2014 (and similar CP/M machines).
    And btw, it's called QTERM82 because 0x82 is the IO port for the
    second serial port on a RC2014 :)

    If you - or someone else - likes to play some games on CP/M, I've
    collected some games that are pre-patched for VT100/ANSI terminals: https://git.imzadi.de/acn/vt100-games

    Regards,
    Anna

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  • From Abbub@21:2/145 to Acn on Tue Apr 9 17:26:33 2024
    *** Quoting Acn to Abbub dated 04-09-24 ***
    Just fyi: The terminal program can be found in my Git repo: https://git.imzadi.de/acn/qterm
    Yep that happens to be the very version of the very terminal program I'm using ¨right now! :D :D :D Thank you very much for your work patching it! I have my ¨terminal app setup with a VT100 font and set to 'green'. Connecting to other ¨computers from a Z80 is the only way to fly in 2024. lol

    *** Quoting Acn to Abbub dated 04-09-24 ***
    If you - or someone else - likes to play some games on CP/M, I've
    collected some games that are pre-patched for VT100/ANSI terminals: https://git.imzadi.de/acn/vt100-games
    I will definitely check those out! Thanks again!

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  • From acn@21:3/127.1 to Abbub on Wed Apr 10 13:40:00 2024
    Am 09.04.24 schrieb Abbub@21:2/145 in FSX_RETRO:

    Hallo Abbub,

    Just fyi: The terminal program can be found in my Git repo:
    https://git.imzadi.de/acn/qterm
    Yep that happens to be the very version of the very terminal program I'm using right now! :D :D :D Thank you very much for your work patching it! I have my terminal app setup with a VT100 font and set to 'green'. Connecting to other computers from a Z80 is the only way to fly in 2024. lol

    I'm happy that people use it and have fun with it :)

    If you - or someone else - likes to play some games on CP/M, I've
    collected some games that are pre-patched for VT100/ANSI terminals:
    https://git.imzadi.de/acn/vt100-games
    I will definitely check those out! Thanks again!

    Have fun playing! :)
    I plan to add some more games in the future, I have some on my list.
    But I need to find some energy to do it (search, download, test, maybe
    patch, package, upload ...). It might take a while, but it is planned
    :)

    Regards,
    Anna

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