• Retronet?

    From MIKE POWELL@21:1/175 to COMMODORE CLIFFORD on Tue Aug 29 09:14:00 2023
    Were there ever any messages in RetroNet? Asking because once, long ago,

    Early on after I first joined, there was traffic but only in certain areas.
    Others were always dead. It was similar to PiNet... lots of traffic for a brief while then *poof* it went dead.

    Mike


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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Aug 29 21:34:14 2023
    On 29 Aug 23 09:14:00 MIKE POWELL wrote...

    Were there ever any messages in RetroNet? Asking because once,
    long ago,

    Early on after I first joined, there was traffic but only in certain
    areas. Others were always dead. It was similar to PiNet... lots of traffic for a brief while then *poof* it went dead.

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    The other thing about his nets... Like tons and tons and tons of dead
    echos.

    Atari Stuff for Monday
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  • From MIKE POWELL@21:1/175 to COMMODORE CLIFFORD on Wed Aug 30 07:41:00 2023
    The other thing about his nets... Like tons and tons and tons of dead
    echos.

    Atari Stuff for Monday
    Atari Stuff for Tuesday
    Atari Stuff for Wednesday Morning
    Atari Stuff for Sunday after Church
    (multiplied by every system Atari ever made)

    In the case of PiNet, anyway, he did cut a bunch of dead ones out, which
    helped for a while. That was a good net when it started but, once the "pi mania" period sort of passed, so did the network.

    Otherwise, I get your point, and it is funny. :) There are some other networks like that... ones that would have benefited in their infancy if
    the NC had created a few, more general echoes instead of a whole bunch of
    very specific ones.

    Mike


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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to MIKE POWELL on Wed Aug 30 21:30:34 2023
    On 30 Aug 23 07:41:00 MIKE POWELL wrote...

    Otherwise, I get your point, and it is funny. :) There are some
    other networks like that... ones that would have benefited in their
    infancy if the NC had created a few, more general echoes instead of a
    whole bunch of very specific ones.

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Well, I don't know if it's funny... it's really kinda sad.

    But the thing is, so many of these nets were run by this guy. Almost as
    bad as that Kofu guy?

    But then one day, this guy goes on some rant over something I can't
    really remember right now and I was like "ok, I'm just going to walk away slowly".

    So please, don't resurrect this mess. If there was anything of value,
    let's just add it to existing nets to make them stronger. Same with any
    other nets of his.

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  • From candycane@21:1/172 to Commodore Clifford on Thu Aug 31 02:34:58 2023
    But then one day, this guy goes on some rant over something I can't
    really remember right now and I was like "ok, I'm just going to walk away slowly".

    Too bad there's no "official" way to depreciate it. Also, I wonder what actually happened..

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  • From outsoft@21:1/173 to candycane on Thu Aug 31 10:32:18 2023
    But Retnonet seems It will come back as soon as possible :-)

    I hope!!!



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  • From candycane@21:1/172 to outsoft on Thu Aug 31 09:21:42 2023
    But Retnonet seems It will come back as soon as possible :-)

    I hope!!!

    Hope so too, never fun to lose access to something.

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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to outsoft on Thu Aug 31 13:18:10 2023

    On Thursday, August 31st outsoft was heard saying...
    But Retnonet seems It will come back as soon as possible :-)

    Do you have more info on this? I'd love to host RN again

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to candycane on Thu Aug 31 14:41:54 2023
    On 31 Aug 23 02:34:58 candycane wrote...

    But then one day, this guy goes on some rant over something I
    can't really remember right now and I was like "ok, I'm just
    going to walk away slowly".

    Too bad there's no "official" way to depreciate it. Also, I wonder
    what actually happened..

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Oh, well the incident I mentioned was years ago and was some political
    rant thing.

    But not really talking about "deprecating" it so much as "please don't resurrect it".

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to outsoft on Thu Aug 31 14:42:30 2023
    On 31 Aug 23 10:32:18 outsoft wrote...

    But Retnonet seems It will come back as soon as possible :-)

    I hope!!!

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Why? Let it go.......

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to candycane on Thu Aug 31 14:44:02 2023
    On 31 Aug 23 09:21:42 candycane wrote...

    But Retnonet seems It will come back as soon as possible :-)

    I hope!!!

    Hope so too, never fun to lose access to something.

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Yeah..... I guess you guys are right.... The last thing we need is to
    perhaps get more people focused on the retro discussion here on fsxNet
    and make this an even better network when we can just keep all these dead othernets around!!!!

    Way better solution!

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to NuSkooler on Thu Aug 31 18:33:29 2023
    But Retnonet seems It will come back as soon as possible :-)

    Do you have more info on this? I'd love to host RN again

    I am not great @ FTN, but I'd also help w/ 2oFB in any way I can... we're all getting here; how functional is the FTN as is?



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  • From candycane@21:1/172 to Commodore Clifford on Thu Aug 31 22:05:08 2023
    Oh, well the incident I mentioned was years ago and was some political rant thing.

    But not really talking about "deprecating" it so much as "please don't resurrect it".

    Isn't that what "deprecate" means?

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to paulie420 on Fri Sep 1 13:39:13 2023
    Re: Re: Retronet?
    By: paulie420 to NuSkooler on Thu Aug 31 2023 06:33 pm

    I am not great @ FTN, but I'd also help w/ 2oFB in any way I can... we're all getting here; how functional is the FTN as is?

    So I'm happy to host another network - that's kinda why Im building clearing houz, so it would be easy to do.

    I've done it before, for sportnet and scinet, which many folks wanted brought back to life, after the original ZC disappeared or went offline.

    Both those networks eventually died a quiet death (there was no traffic) so I pulled the pin on them.

    I did kinda like pinet/retronet - I enjoyed the conversation that went on, albeit I didnt add too much.

    But if you want them brought back to life I can, let me know...

    That said, we can just get some new echos created here if Paul is onboard, I'm easy either way.


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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to deon on Thu Aug 31 23:54:23 2023
    On 01 Sep 2023, deon said the following...

    That said, we can just get some new echos created here if Paul is
    onboard, I'm easy either way.

    i'd be more inclined to tack more echos onto an existing net if i were doing it.. the catch 22 is mostly the same though.. for example, if you create an echo about car stuff, suddenly the huge 3 month long thread about cars dries up.. you can see the amount of traffic the retro area gets here and on fidonet. will a net with 10 echos of that further broken out gain any traction? it seems it's died quite a few times already.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to candycane on Fri Sep 1 16:29:00 2023
    But not really talking about "deprecating" it so much as "please
    don't resurrect it".

    Isn't that what "deprecate" means?

    It's more retire, rather than don't resurrect which would imply to me its already retired :)

    Spec


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  • From outsoft@21:1/173 to NuSkooler on Fri Sep 1 11:56:57 2023
    Write to:Blackice directly:

    www.bbsindex.de

    You can go on his BBS and write directly to him, It reply me :-)



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  • From claw@21:1/210 to candycane on Fri Sep 1 07:49:05 2023
    Does this just need a new home? I know several place's with server space. What would it take to move it? PC wise. As long as it wouldn't take more than a 4 core 8 gigs of ram and 120G of space I could get space for it.

    If that sounds good I would need to know who is going to run it and what type of remote access software your comfortable with.

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  • From candycane@21:1/172 to Spectre on Fri Sep 1 09:25:42 2023
    It's more retire, rather than don't resurrect which would imply to me its already retired :)

    Oh, ok.

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  • From candycane@21:1/172 to claw on Fri Sep 1 09:26:32 2023
    Does this just need a new home? I know several place's with server
    space. What would it take to move it? PC wise. As long as it wouldn't take more than a 4 core 8 gigs of ram and 120G of space I could get
    space for it.

    I'm not the person to ask about server specs.

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to deon on Fri Sep 1 18:04:46 2023
    On 01 Sep 2023, deon said the following...


    So I'm happy to host another network - that's kinda why Im building clearing houz, so it would be easy to do.

    I've done it before, for sportnet and scinet, which many folks wanted brought back to life, after the original ZC disappeared or went offline.


    If you can bring back RetroNet, pInet, and CommodoreNet, all that Carlos ran, that would be great.. I am sure he would give you everything he has on it, I know he has been fighting health issues for a while now. The sad part is they are all completely dead now, nothing passes at all.. His BBS is still running, I think you might even be able to get in touch with him on Facebook.

    Hope that helps a little..

    AL

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to deon on Fri Sep 1 20:53:55 2023
    That said, we can just get some new echos created here if Paul is
    onboard, I'm easy either way.

    As stated, I'm not great w/ FTNs - but I'm sure theres lots of support with folks like Deon and... what I can give is a bbS that isn't going anywhere soon; and I'd help in any way(s) needed. I am retro - so retro.net seems like a fit. Heck, since we're all talking I didn't know it was dead - but I get my RetroNet from Castle Rock BBS... willing to make changes if its possible.



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Bucko on Fri Sep 1 21:03:43 2023
    If you can bring back RetroNet, pInet, and CommodoreNet, all that Carlos ran, that would be great.. I am sure he would give you everything he has on it, I know he has been fighting health issues for a while now. The
    sad part is they are all completely dead now, nothing passes at all..
    His BBS is still running, I think you might even be able to get in touch with him on Facebook.

    At the detriment of a bbS having too many FTNs - I'd run them all on 2oFB - and help, if I can, with hub stuff when needed... with lots of help.



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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to paulie420 on Sat Sep 2 08:34:35 2023
    On 01 Sep 2023, paulie420 said the following...


    At the detriment of a bbS having too many FTNs - I'd run them all on
    2oFB - and help, if I can, with hub stuff when needed... with lots of help.

    LOL I run them all too.. I have a few that are dead, all of the Necromicon board nets are still hooked up here (Retro, Commodore, pi) WhisperNet is still hooked up and I know it is toast. I guess in a couple of weeks, I will start my weeding of networks. If I get no responses in 2 weeks time to a test message I will remove the network.. That should leave me 2 networks .. LOL

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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to MIKE POWELL on Sat Sep 2 12:34:38 2023
    On 30 Aug 23 07:41:00 MIKE POWELL wrote...

    Otherwise, I get your point, and it is funny. :) There are some
    other networks like that... ones that would have benefited in their
    infancy if the NC had created a few, more general echoes instead of a
    whole bunch of very specific ones.

    Mike


    To which Darklord replies...

    Please don't tell the good Commodore that he's funny - it only encourages him...! :)


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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to candycane on Sat Sep 2 15:10:32 2023
    On 31 Aug 23 22:05:08 candycane wrote...

    Oh, well the incident I mentioned was years ago and was some
    political rant thing.

    But not really talking about "deprecating" it so much as "please
    don't resurrect it".

    Isn't that what "deprecate" means?

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    No.... that's not what it means.

    In the same way that "killing" something isn't the same as "refusing to resurrect it".

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Darklord on Sat Sep 2 15:16:18 2023
    On 02 Sep 23 12:34:38 Darklord wrote...

    On 30 Aug 23 07:41:00 MIKE POWELL wrote...

    Otherwise, I get your point, and it is funny. :) There are some
    other networks like that... ones that would have benefited in
    their infancy if the NC had created a few, more general echoes
    instead of a whole bunch of very specific ones.

    Mike


    To which Darklord replies...

    Please don't tell the good Commodore that he's funny - it only
    encourages him...! :)

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Oh yeah? Just wait till you see what the TSA pulls you out of line for
    THIS year.

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  • From MIKE POWELL@21:1/175 to DARKLORD on Sun Sep 3 09:52:00 2023
    Otherwise, I get your point, and it is funny. :) There are some
    other networks like that... ones that would have benefited in their infancy if the NC had created a few, more general echoes instead of a whole bunch of very specific ones.

    Mike


    To which Darklord replies...

    Please don't tell the good Commodore that he's funny - it only encourages him...! :)

    I actually meant funny peculiar and not funny ha-ha. :)

    Mike


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to MIKE POWELL on Mon Sep 4 17:33:00 2023
    Please don't tell the good Commodore that he's funny - it only
    encourages him...! :)

    I actually meant funny peculiar and not funny ha-ha. :)

    How Odd :P

    Spec


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  • From candycane@21:1/172 to Commodore Clifford on Wed Sep 6 08:31:56 2023
    No.... that's not what it means.

    In the same way that "killing" something isn't the same as "refusing to resurrect it".

    Deprecating something isn't "killing" it either.. It's just adding a note to the feature to ask people not to use it (or ressurect it)

    deprecate: To mark (a component of a software standard) as obsolete to warn against its use in the future so that it may be phased out.

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  • From candycane@21:1/172 to Commodore Clifford on Wed Sep 6 08:31:56 2023
    Oh yeah? Just wait till you see what the TSA pulls you out of line for THIS year.

    I'm pretty sure this is purgary.

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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to Commodore Clifford on Thu Sep 7 15:05:20 2023
    On 02 Sep 23 15:16:18 Commodore Clifford wrote...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Oh yeah? Just wait till you see what the TSA pulls you out of line
    for THIS year.

    To which Darklord replies...

    Hah! I left an anonymous tip about inaccurate anonymous tips, so there!

    :)


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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Sep 7 15:07:34 2023
    On 03 Sep 23 09:52:00 MIKE POWELL wrote...

    I actually meant funny peculiar and not funny ha-ha. :)

    Mike


    To which Darklord replies...

    Ah, of course - that makes far more sense...and...Commodore and peculiar
    go "hand in glove". :)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to fusion on Fri Sep 8 22:15:27 2023
    On 31 Aug 2023 at 11:54p, fusion pondered and said...

    i'd be more inclined to tack more echos onto an existing net if i were doing it.. the catch 22 is mostly the same though.. for example, if you create an echo about car stuff, suddenly the huge 3 month long thread about cars dries up.. you can see the amount of traffic the retro area gets here and on fidonet. will a net with 10 echos of that further
    broken out gain any traction? it seems it's died quite a few times already.

    I'm late to this thread but I tend to agree with the sentiment.

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