• Day to day uses for retro computers

    From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to All on Thu Aug 3 18:00:45 2023
    Hi, all.

    I'm curious to hear what (if any!) day-to-day tasks people are performing using their retro computers.

    I'm in the middle of restoring a 90s Acorn A3020 I saved from a skip (dumpster?) around 20 years ago so at the moment hardware repairs and finding / writing software to get a usable system is keeping me busy. Now that the serial port is working I have even done a *little* bit of BBSing on there, but to be honest it's not very good at it (quirks with the ANSI support, etc). I never owned one of these back in their heyday so I don't long for any particular games, however I love the system and would really like to put it to good use.

    I'm a bit of a radio nerd so imagine there are probably a few things to look at there but how do you guys squeeze utility out of your ancient tech?

    Thanks in advance!

    Bob Worm
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  • From Roon@21:4/148 to Bob Worm on Thu Aug 3 19:39:39 2023
    Hello Bob,

    03 Aug 23 18:00, you wrote to All:

    Hi, all.

    I'm curious to hear what (if any!) day-to-day tasks people are
    performing using their retro computers.

    I'm in the middle of restoring a 90s Acorn A3020 I saved from a skip (dumpster?) around 20 years ago so at the moment hardware repairs and finding / writing software to get a usable system is keeping me busy.
    Now that the serial port is working I have even done a *little* bit of BBSing on there, but to be honest it's not very good at it (quirks
    with the ANSI support, etc). I never owned one of these back in their heyday so I don't long for any particular games, however I love the
    system and would really like to put it to good use.

    i'm using two c64s in the studio, one with MSSH cartridge and cynthcart, one with a SFX sound expander. in the studio the synths are synchronized by my Atari ST1040. i also have a vic-20 with vicmidi cartridge.
    i am having c64 and a c128 (at home): i parctice some assembly and playing games.

    i have a 386dx40 with linux (testing the slowlyness) and dos (gaming).
    i have my dual p166 for my os/2 bbs. i am reaching this via telnet and using golded ;)
    and i have a p3 for playing win98 games :)

    plans for this autumn/winter:

    in the summer i also got some other vintage (pc) hardware and the plan is to build a Netware and a Windows NT network, just for learning. also i would like to create network-bootable dos images, so i don't need all the hard disks to the dos machines.

    i have an other atari a c64 and an amiga 500 as well, i would like to experience some bbsing with it, installing ratsoft to the atari and maybe cnet on the 500 and maybe image or color on the c64. i didn't decide which software(s) to use, have to read more about this, because i am new on non-pc bbsing.

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  • From SirRonmit@21:2/120 to Bob Worm on Thu Aug 3 12:39:31 2023
    Not much since I purchased a used DELL server for converting everything to VDi (Virtual Desktops).

    However!

    I am going to grab one of my old 386SX20's I've had since F4FBBS first came online to install linux for my old DC2120 tape backup and see if I can pull anything from there. I had all my registered door games saved and my box of printed codes was damaged during a storm and sewer collapse issue a few years ago -- sure I can locate some FREE (eg AB2) or HACK/KEYGEN for those I like to play, but I'd truly like to install my code (especially for those you can't get a free or keygen for :(

    Timothy Norris
    aka SirRonmit
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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Roon on Thu Aug 3 22:16:26 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Roon to Bob Worm on Thu Aug 03 2023 19:39:39

    Hi, Roon!

    i'm using two c64s in the studio, one with MSSH cartridge and cynthcart, one with a SFX sound expander. in the studio the synths are synchronized by my Atari ST1040. i also have a vic-20 with vicmidi cartridge.

    This sounds great - one of the very first things I did with this Acorn was install some tracker software. I wish I had some musical talent to make my own tunes but I really don't :) I've always found MIDI technically interesting but never did anything with it due to lack of musicality...

    and i have a p3 for playing win98 games :)

    I must have thrown away two PII PCs at some time, I really can't remember doing it but they are not here any more. Quake II was my era and, although you can get QII working on modern PCs easily, we *only* played mods (OSP insta-gib & blast chambers) which need Win98 or similar to run. I guess I also threw away my Voodoo 2 card :(
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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to SirRonmit on Thu Aug 3 22:29:19 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: SirRonmit to Bob Worm on Thu Aug 03 2023 12:39:31

    Hi, SirRonmit!

    I am going to grab one of my old 386SX20's I've had since F4FBBS first came online to install linux for my old DC2120 tape backup and see if I can pull anything from there.

    I recently pulled out my old tape drive (saved from the same skip as the Acorn) so I could look through the box of backup tapes I've kept for 20 years "just in case". After the first ~1MB restored OK it started thrashing retries... then a very tired looking rubber band dropped out of the bottom and it has never read another byte since.

    Best of luck recovering your treasures!

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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to Bob Worm on Sat Aug 5 20:00:56 2023
    On 03 Aug 23 18:00:45 Bob Worm wrote...

    Hi, all.

    I'm curious to hear what (if any!) day-to-day tasks people are
    performing using their retro computers.

    I'm in the middle of restoring a 90s Acorn A3020 I saved from a skip (dumpster?) around 20 years ago so at the moment hardware repairs and finding / writing software to get a usable system is keeping me busy.
    Now that the serial port is working I have even done a *little* bit
    of BBSing on there, but to be honest it's not very good at it (quirks
    with the ANSI support, etc). I never owned one of these back in their heyday so I don't long for any particular games, however I love the
    system and would really like to put it to good use.

    I'm a bit of a radio nerd so imagine there are probably a few things
    to look at there but how do you guys squeeze utility out of your
    ancient tech?

    Thanks in advance!

    To which Darklord replies...

    Well, first off and rather obvious, but I run my BBS on my Atari Mega
    ST4 (DarkForce!). I play games, listen to music, zen out to "euro" style demos's and do BBS coding (think BASIC) on my Atari Mega STe. I also have
    an Atari STacy that I play games on, read classic (text) books from the
    Project Gutenberg website, etc. The key thing about the STacy is, it's portable! Not really a laptop but more of a "luggable" it's still pretty
    easy to transport around and a lot of fun. :)


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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to Darklord on Sat Aug 5 22:32:41 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Darklord to Bob Worm on Sat Aug 05 2023 08:00 pm

    On 03 Aug 23 18:00:45 Bob Worm wrote...

    Hi, all.

    I'm curious to hear what (if any!) day-to-day tasks people are
    performing using their retro computers.

    I'm in the middle of restoring a 90s Acorn A3020 I saved from a skip
    (dumpster?) around 20 years ago so at the moment hardware repairs
    and finding / writing software to get a usable system is keeping me
    busy. Now that the serial port is working I have even done a
    *little* bit of BBSing on there, but to be honest it's not very good
    at it (quirks with the ANSI support, etc). I never owned one of
    these back in their heyday so I don't long for any particular games,
    however I love the system and would really like to put it to good
    use.

    I'm a bit of a radio nerd so imagine there are probably a few things
    to look at there but how do you guys squeeze utility out of your
    ancient tech?

    Thanks in advance!

    To which Darklord replies...

    Well, first off and rather obvious, but I run my BBS on my Atari Mega
    ST4 (DarkForce!). I play games, listen to music, zen out to "euro" style demos's and do BBS coding (think BASIC) on my Atari Mega STe. I also have an Atari STacy that I play games on, read classic (text) books from the Project Gutenberg website, etc. The key thing about the STacy is, it's portable! Not really a laptop but more of a "luggable" it's still pretty easy to transport around and a lot of fun. :)


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    Wow, you can read books on old computers? What kinda books do you read?

    candycane

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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Darklord on Sun Aug 6 14:13:12 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Darklord to Bob Worm on Sat Aug 05 2023 20:00:56

    Hi, Darklord!

    Well, first off and rather obvious, but I run my BBS on my Atari Mega
    ST4 (DarkForce!).
    That's one solid use for classic hardware. Sadly I don't really trust leaving the Acorn on 24/7... And when I did accidentally leave it on over a weekend once I came back to find it had frozen. Maybe I'd consider doing it as an occasional thing, but that's not really how BBS works.

    If I'm honest I probably don't have the creative flair to build something different enough to be worth visiting!

    I play games, listen to music, zen out to "euro" style demos's
    I went through a real demos phase in the late 90s / early 2000s. Sadly it was just downloading and watching them rather than attending any of the conventions or coding anything myself. Some of the stuff that is coming out now on C64 is incredible, I can hardly imagine how 10 year old me would have reacted if I'd seen them way back then.

    I also have an Atari STacy that I play games on, read classic (text)
    books from the Project Gutenberg website, etc.

    I admire your dedication reading entire books on that screen :)

    I never had an ST - my slightly richer friend had an STFM which I always found interesting, at that point I think I was busy with my Sega Megadrive and probably wishing my dad would get a mouse for his 286 PC. The first computer I ever remember us having was an Atari 800XL - it still makes me very sad that it got thrown away, these days I could probably get it working again :(

    Thanks!

    BobW
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Roon on Fri Aug 4 07:20:00 2023
    Roon wrote to Bob Worm <=-

    in the summer i also got some other vintage (pc) hardware and the plan
    is to build a Netware and a Windows NT network, just for learning. also
    i would like to create network-bootable dos images, so i don't need all the hard disks to the dos machines.

    I did that with NE2000 NICs and a Netware network, it was interesting
    to set up. It's a shame DOS wasn't more network-aware, we always ran
    into problems with multi-user file access.



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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Aug 6 21:31:26 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Roon on Fri Aug 04 2023 07:20:00

    I did that with NE2000 NICs and a Netware network, it was interesting

    I had completely forgotten NE2000 cards were a thing until earlier this week when someone mentioned them on a video I was watching. A sudden rush of nostalgia took me back to my friend's house in the late 90s. "NE2000" never entered my head for well over a decade, now twice in a week!

    I remember struggling a *lot* getting any kind of networking to work under DOS. To be fair I was a young kid and didn't have any help but it seemed extremely opaque.

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  • From Roon@21:4/148 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 7 11:26:03 2023
    Hello poindexter,

    04 Aug 23 07:20, you wrote to me:

    in the summer i also got some other vintage (pc) hardware and the
    plan is to build a Netware and a Windows NT network, just for
    learning. also i would like to create network-bootable dos
    images, so i don't need all the hard disks to the dos machines.

    I did that with NE2000 NICs and a Netware network, it was interesting
    to set up. It's a shame DOS wasn't more network-aware, we always ran
    into problems with multi-user file access.

    i saw yesterday that os/2 warp 4.52 server is also capable to remote boot dos and os2 images. didn't dig further yet, but i am curious for this as well.

    Regards,
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Bob Worm on Mon Aug 7 20:19:00 2023
    I remember struggling a *lot* getting any kind of networking to work under DOS. To be fair I was a young kid and didn't have any help but it seemed extremely opaque.

    The first cards and networking I had were Etherlink II's and NetWare lite (IPX/ODI). This was really straight forward. Like you sans help once you
    got off the beaten path it was tricky getting stuff to behave. I recall
    having no idea what IRQ, IRQ Vector and Ports were for. It got harder if you had extra serial ports kicking around too taking up common address/irq locations.

    It got really tough when we tried integrating crynwyr drivers and using
    TCP/IP I farted around with SHIMs for the IPX drivers and all manner of black magic. Best result I could ever manage was the various devices able to see each other and retrieve basic information, but refusing any serious data transfer. ALways just showed up as generic drive failure to DOS.

    Spec


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Bob Worm on Mon Aug 7 07:51:00 2023
    Bob Worm wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I remember struggling a *lot* getting any kind of networking to work
    under DOS. To be fair I was a young kid and didn't have any help but
    it seemed extremely opaque.

    Yeah, I learned without an internet. Luckily, both technologies I
    started out with - Northern Telecom PBXes and Novell Netware came with extensive documentation. I'd pore through the manuals in all of my spare
    time.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Roon on Mon Aug 7 07:53:00 2023
    Roon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    i saw yesterday that os/2 warp 4.52 server is also capable to remote
    boot dos and os2 images. didn't dig further yet, but i am curious for
    this as well.

    Pretty sure you'd need a NIC with a boot rom, a share on the OS/2 server
    that held the DOS binaries, and another share to act as the c: drive.

    That would be great nowadays, never having to source a MFM hard disk,
    floppy drive or disk controller to run retro hardware.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Mon Aug 7 08:55:00 2023
    Spectre wrote to Bob Worm <=-

    The first cards and networking I had were Etherlink II's and NetWare
    lite (IPX/ODI). This was really straight forward. Like you sans help
    once you got off the beaten path it was tricky getting stuff to behave.
    I recall having no idea what IRQ, IRQ Vector and Ports were for. It
    got harder if you had extra serial ports kicking around too taking up common address/irq locations.


    Learning about PC hardware and getting DOS networking to work was
    exciting. I inherited a LANTastic setup from work when we moved a small
    network over to Novell, and took it home.

    I was able to run the DOS BBS box with LANTASTIC and share the serial
    printer connected to it with my OS/2 desktop box. I could share drives
    from the BBS to my desktop to back it up and use a QWK reader locally.
    There was a screen redirector that let you remote control another
    system over LANTastic. It was pretty wild that all that ran on a
    single-tasking DOS system.

    It got really tough when we tried integrating crynwyr drivers and using TCP/IP I farted around with SHIMs for the IPX drivers and all manner of black magic. Best result I could ever manage was the various devices
    able to see each other and retrieve basic information, but refusing any serious data transfer. ALways just showed up as generic drive failure
    to DOS.

    Running Windows 3.1, using DOS IPX/Netx redirectors for Netware, then
    Crynwyr drivers for IP, while running Appletalk on the same wire was a
    mind-mangling experience.

    Windows 3.11 with its built-in IP made life much easier.





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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 8 05:14:00 2023
    Pretty sure you'd need a NIC with a boot rom, a share on the OS/2 server that held the DOS binaries, and another share to act as the c: drive.

    If'n I recall right, the boot roms are rather specific to what you want to
    boot from server wise... I had a few cards with bootroms but never any idea what said roms were looking for, and definitely no server which would''ve
    been able to serve them.

    I ended up with a few systems that just had a boot floppy, and mounted everything else. That worked fine until you need to many boot time drivers.
    The other scenario I had NetwareLite being peer to peer was using every connected system as a file server, must've had some 6-8 MFM drives online at that point, and either shifting the BBS out to something weird like F: across each client. Or substing the local drive out to where each other system saw
    it and mounting the remote drive over C: It got a bit convoluted.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 8 05:20:00 2023
    Learning about PC hardware and getting DOS networking to work was exciting. I inherited a LANTastic setup from work when we moved a small network over to Novell, and took it home.

    They were exciting times... mine came about in a similar way only a fried worked for a government dept that had its network replaced, all the existing stuff went in the dumpster.

    I was able to run the DOS BBS box with LANTASTIC and share the serial printer connected to it with my OS/2 desktop box. I could share drives from the BBS to my desktop to back it up and use a QWK reader locally. There was a screen redirector that let you remote control another

    While pretty much any network let you share drives and resources. I had a piece of Artisoft software called "The Network Eye" which did the screen redirection also, it was a game changer... being able to run headless
    clients. All you needed was it to boot with no errors and away you go.

    Spec


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Tue Aug 8 07:20:00 2023
    Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    They were exciting times... mine came about in a similar way only a
    fried worked for a government dept that had its network replaced, all
    the existing stuff went in the dumpster.

    At one of my recent jobs in 2016, my new boss told me that before I'd
    come in, they e-wasted pallets of old crap my predecessor hadn't gotten
    around to disposing of. IBM XTs, ATs and PS/2s, mostly. With IBM
    keyboards, mice and monitors.

    I wept silently.


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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 8 20:19:58 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Spectre on Tue Aug 08 2023 07:20:00

    At one of my recent jobs in 2016, my new boss told me that before I'd
    come in, they e-wasted pallets of old crap my predecessor hadn't gotten
    around to disposing of. IBM XTs, ATs and PS/2s, mostly. With IBM
    keyboards, mice and monitors.

    And, no doubt, paid a load of money to have it taken away.

    I'm sure we've all disposed of "old" stuff, i.e. 5 years past mainstream use, but I'd like to think most people would at least check eBay before scrapping 20 / 30 / 40 year old kit.

    Sad times, indeed :(

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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 8 18:22:23 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Spectre on Tue Aug 08 2023 07:20 am

    At one of my recent jobs in 2016, my new boss told me that before I'd
    come in, they e-wasted pallets of old crap my predecessor hadn't gotten around to disposing of. IBM XTs, ATs and PS/2s, mostly. With IBM keyboards, mice and monitors.

    I wept silently.

    I feel that pain.

    candycane

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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to candycane on Wed Aug 9 00:34:36 2023
    On 05 Aug 23 22:32:41 candycane wrote...

    Wow, you can read books on old computers? What kinda books do you
    read?

    candycane

    To which Darklord replies...

    Sure can. Project Gutenberg has many famous and popular titles in text
    format. As long as your platform can read text, you should be good. The
    Atari ST does have a handy piece of software that organizes their files
    into chapters 'n such for easy reading. Don't get me wrong, IMHO nothing
    will ever replace the feel of a good book in my hands but it's nice (and
    kinda cool!) to be able to read them on my Atari.

    As far as subject matter, I have a lot of varied tastes. I love the old classics as well as fantasy stuff like "Lord Of The Rings". I also like a
    good western by well-known authors like Louie L'amour. :)


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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to Bob Worm on Wed Aug 9 00:49:20 2023
    On 06 Aug 23 14:13:12 Bob Worm wrote...

    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers By: Darklord to Bob Worm
    on Sat Aug 05 2023 20:00:56

    Hi, Darklord!

    That's one solid use for classic hardware. Sadly I don't really trust leaving the Acorn on 24/7... And when I did accidentally leave it on
    over a weekend once I came back to find it had frozen. Maybe I'd
    consider doing it as an occasional thing, but that's not really how
    BBS works.

    If I'm honest I probably don't have the creative flair to build
    something different enough to be worth visiting!

    I went through a real demos phase in the late 90s / early 2000s.
    Sadly it was just downloading and watching them rather than attending
    any of the conventions or coding anything myself. Some of the stuff
    that is coming out now on C64 is incredible, I can hardly imagine how
    10 year old me would have reacted if I'd seen them way back then.

    I admire your dedication reading entire books on that screen :)

    I never had an ST - my slightly richer friend had an STFM which I
    always found interesting, at that point I think I was busy with my
    Sega Megadrive and probably wishing my dad would get a mouse for his
    286 PC. The first computer I ever remember us having was an Atari
    800XL - it still makes me very sad that it got thrown away, these
    days I could probably get it working again :(

    Thanks!

    To which Darklord replies...

    I know it's tough - the thought of leaving these vintage machines on
    "24/7" just boggles the mind at first. However, in line with that age old argument about whether it will last longer left turned on or off, I am
    going to have to fall on the side of leaving it on. At least I will
    because of my experience with my Atari Mega ST4. It's been a real
    trouper. Built in 1987 and running my BBS 24/7 since the early 1990's,
    it's been a champion workhorse and then some.

    Creative flair, hmm. Honestly, that's probably not a phrase anyone would
    use to describe me. DarkForce! started out as text (ASCII) only. Over
    time, I learned more and more, adding VT52 and ANSIs screens. I'd have to
    say I grew into it and have really enjoyed being a SysOp. The point is, a little hard work will go a long ways in this hobby.

    The things people are doing with the retro computers these days is
    nothing short of amazing. I agree with you totally, in the 80's or 90's I
    would have been blown away by the things we are seeing now.

    The STacy's LCD screen is a native 640x400 and while mono, it's a soft
    off-blue background that's easy on the eyes. It's not bad for what I use
    it for. There have been recent developments (have you seen the RGB2HDMI project), which has me planning on turning it into a color screen though.

    You should acquire another 800XL or ST. They're really fun machines to
    play with! :)


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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to Darklord on Wed Aug 9 05:50:50 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Darklord to candycane on Wed Aug 09 2023 12:34 am

    Sure can. Project Gutenberg has many famous and popular titles in text format. As long as your platform can read text, you should be good. The

    Oh true, text is the easiest thing for computers to display.. I'll have to check out Project Gutenberg at some point lol :D

    Atari ST does have a handy piece of software that organizes their files into chapters 'n such for easy reading.

    OOO cool! What's it called? Can it be found online? (or in FSX's file area?)

    As far as subject matter, I have a lot of varied tastes. I love the old classics as well as fantasy stuff like "Lord Of The Rings". I also like a good western by well-known authors like Louie L'amour. :)

    Neat! I haven't actually read LoTR but I watched the Hobbit movie a couple times. My favorite books are probably Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy and A Series of Unfortunate Events.

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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Darklord on Wed Aug 9 11:25:35 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Darklord to Bob Worm on Wed Aug 09 2023 00:49:20

    Built in 1987 and running my BBS 24/7 since the early 1990's,
    it's been a champion workhorse and then some.

    That's pretty incredible - well done, Atari!

    You should acquire another 800XL or ST. They're really fun machines to
    play with! :)

    I'm pretty tempted by an 800XL. My birthday is coming up so maybe I'll have a look around on eBay - the question is do I go for "spares / repairs" or "working"?

    Decisions, decisions...

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Bob Worm on Wed Aug 9 06:53:00 2023
    Bob Worm wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I'm sure we've all disposed of "old" stuff, i.e. 5 years past
    mainstream use, but I'd like to think most people would at least check eBay before scrapping 20 / 30 / 40 year old kit.

    At one point, the server room had a handful of AS/400s running in there
    - by the time I got there, they were down to one. In one of the back
    offices, there was a fully operational PS/2 model 80 with a Model M
    keyboard, one of those 2-button IBM mice from the '90s, and an 8515 CRT monitor. IBM 4019 laser printer. Running an older version of OS/2 with a
    tape drive attached. It was kept in use to verify and restore files from
    the AS/400 backup system.

    It, also, happened to be the exact same setup I started my IT career on
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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 9 18:48:33 2023
    At one point, the server room had a handful of AS/400s running in there
    - by the time I got there, they were down to one. In one of the back offices, there was a fully operational PS/2 model 80 with a Model M keyboard, one of those 2-button IBM mice from the '90s, and an 8515 CRT monitor. IBM 4019 laser printer. Running an older version of OS/2 with a tape drive attached. It was kept in use to verify and restore files from the AS/400 backup system.

    I still like to play around IN these systems;

    https://pub400.com

    I'm 'paulie42' if anyone else is over there..



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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to paulie420 on Thu Aug 10 09:26:12 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: paulie420 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 09 2023 06:48 pm

    I still like to play around IN these systems;

    https://pub400.com

    I'm 'paulie42' if anyone else is over there..



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    * You can program in CL, RPG, SQL, COBOL, train your skills and start learning about the best server operating system ever :)
    * Create your own programming projects, you can even use node.js or other web technologies (contact us for http settings)
    * An average of 25 new users per day! Great IBM i community!

    Wow, this looks so cool! I have to check it out sometime.

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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to candycane on Sun Aug 13 15:54:10 2023
    On 09 Aug 23 05:50:50 candycane wrote...

    OOO cool! What's it called? Can it be found online? (or in FSX's file area?)

    As far as subject matter, I have a lot of varied tastes. I love
    the old classics as well as fantasy stuff like "Lord Of The
    Rings". I also like a good western by well-known authors like
    Louie L'amour. :)

    Neat! I haven't actually read LoTR but I watched the Hobbit movie a
    couple times. My favorite books are probably Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy and A Series of Unfortunate Events.

    candycane

    To which Darklord replies...

    It's actually called "Textbook". Check it out here:

    http://www.anodynesoftware.com/textbook/index.html

    You definitely should read Lord of the Rings - just bear in mind it's not
    a lightweight reading assignment. :)

    I really like Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, books 1-4, but I did not
    care for the dark tone of book 5. The first 4 though, awesomeness! :)


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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to Bob Worm on Sun Aug 13 15:56:20 2023
    On 09 Aug 23 11:25:35 Bob Worm wrote...

    I'm pretty tempted by an 800XL. My birthday is coming up so maybe
    I'll have a look around on eBay - the question is do I go for "spares
    / repairs" or "working"?

    Decisions, decisions...

    To which Darklord replies...

    Go for it! :)


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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to Darklord on Sun Aug 13 19:49:14 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Darklord to candycane on Sun Aug 13 2023 03:54 pm

    It's actually called "Textbook". Check it out here:

    http://www.anodynesoftware.com/textbook/index.html

    You definitely should read Lord of the Rings - just bear in mind it's not a lightweight reading assignment. :)

    Thanks, and I'll try to find some time to read it..

    I really like Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, books 1-4, but I did not care for the dark tone of book 5. The first 4 though, awesomeness! :)

    Wait, what do you mean book 5? I have the more-than-complete collection and that only has 4 books plus the short story.

    candycane

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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to candycane on Mon Aug 14 12:01:10 2023
    On 13 Aug 23 19:49:14 candycane wrote...

    Wait, what do you mean book 5? I have the more-than-complete
    collection and that only has 4 books plus the short story.

    candycane

    To which Darklord replies...

    There are actually -6- books in the series, although the last one was
    written by someone else. Here's a list:

    The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (1979)
    The Restauraunt at the End of the Universe (1980)
    Life, the Universe, and Everything (1982)
    So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish (1984)
    Mostly Harmless (1992)
    And Another Thing (2009)

    Keep in mind, the last book was not written by Douglas Adams who had
    already passed away by that point. It was written by Eoin Colfer and
    Douglas Adams' widow.

    Also, as you mentioned, there is the short story "Young Zaphod Plays It
    Safe".

    As I said, I love the first 4 books. Book 5 is dark and has a horrible
    ending. Book 6 just doesn't feel like the first 4 books written by Adams
    to me.

    Everyone's mileage may vary of course... :)


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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to Darklord on Mon Aug 14 22:07:44 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Darklord to candycane on Mon Aug 14 2023 12:01 pm

    As I said, I love the first 4 books. Book 5 is dark and has a horrible ending. Book 6 just doesn't feel like the first 4 books written by Adams to me.

    Everyone's mileage may vary of course... :)

    Dang, I have to look into this, for research of course.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Darklord on Wed Aug 16 08:51:00 2023
    Darklord wrote to candycane <=-

    On 13 Aug 23 19:49:14 candycane wrote...

    There are actually -6- books in the series, although the last one was written by someone else. Here's a list:

    The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (1979)
    The Restauraunt at the End of the Universe (1980)
    Life, the Universe, and Everything (1982)
    So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish (1984)
    Mostly Harmless (1992)
    And Another Thing (2009)

    One of my omnibus editions refers to his works as the "Increasingly
    ill-named 'Hitchiker's Guide Trilogy'".

    BTW, I just turned the realitycheckRADIO shoutcast stream to the
    Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy BBC radio show.

    https://radio.realitycheckbbs.org for the web page, or
    http://radio.realitycheckbbs.org:8000 for the stream.





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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to candycane on Thu Aug 17 20:40:50 2023
    On 14 Aug 23 22:07:44 candycane wrote...

    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers By: Darklord to candycane
    on Mon Aug 14 2023 12:01 pm

    As I said, I love the first 4 books. Book 5 is dark and has a
    horrible ending. Book 6 just doesn't feel like the first 4 books written by Adams to me.

    Everyone's mileage may vary of course... :)

    Dang, I have to look into this, for research of course.

    candycane

    To which Darklord replies...

    Right, you know - for a friend... :)


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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Aug 17 20:42:54 2023
    On 16 Aug 23 08:51:00 poindexter FORTRAN wrote...

    One of my omnibus editions refers to his works as the "Increasingly ill-named 'Hitchiker's Guide Trilogy'".

    BTW, I just turned the realitycheckRADIO shoutcast stream to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy BBC radio show.

    https://radio.realitycheckbbs.org for the web page, or http://radio.realitycheckbbs.org:8000 for the stream.

    To which Darklord replies...

    I've not heard the radio version. I loved the BBC series on TV. I've got
    it ripped from the DVD release. How different is the radio version from
    that? Thanks.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Darklord on Fri Aug 18 08:20:00 2023
    Darklord wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-


    I've not heard the radio version. I loved the BBC series on TV. I've
    got it ripped from the DVD release. How different is the radio version from that? Thanks.

    They're pretty close - the same voices/actors and the lines are almost identical.




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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 18 20:31:31 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Darklord on Fri Aug 18 2023 08:20 am

    They're pretty close - the same voices/actors and the lines are almost identical.

    Wasn't the CGI on the tv show pretty bad? I remember hearing specifically Zaphod's heads looked really bad.

    candycane

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to candycane on Sun Aug 20 05:46:00 2023

    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Darklord on Fri Aug 18 2023 08:20 am

    They're pretty close - the same voices/actors and the lines are
    almost
    identical.

    Wasn't the CGI on the tv show pretty bad? I remember hearing specifically Zaphod's heads looked really bad.

    Unless there was something newer, that wasn't CGI...

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to candycane on Mon Aug 21 04:04:00 2023
    Wasn't the CGI on the tv show pretty bad? I remember hearing specifically Zaphod's heads looked really bad.

    ~1981... not much CGI going on there... some special effects which even for
    the time were perhaps a bit less than impressive, and a zaphod head that
    looked a bit like a paper mache after a few rounds vs a drunk guy at the pub.

    But it was a bit like Dr Who for the time... you watched it because the story was good, and the actors ok, and you had a huge suspension of disbelief for
    the sets.

    Spec


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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to Shurato on Sun Aug 20 17:22:54 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Shurato to candycane on Sun Aug 20 2023 05:46 am

    Unless there was something newer, that wasn't CGI...

    Then the practical effects.

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to candycane on Sun Aug 20 21:12:00 2023

    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Shurato to candycane on Sun Aug 20 2023 05:46 am

    Unless there was something newer, that wasn't CGI...

    Then the practical effects.

    Yeah, and for the late 80s even then it was pretty iffy. A head taped onto
    the shoulder more or less... Zaphod's second head is what we're talking
    about since all of the quotes weren't kept...

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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to Shurato on Mon Aug 21 09:00:38 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Shurato to candycane on Sun Aug 20 2023 09:12 pm

    Yeah, and for the late 80s even then it was pretty iffy. A head taped onto the shoulder more or less... Zaphod's second head is what we're talking about since all of the quotes weren't kept...

    Wow, that bad?

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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to candycane on Tue Aug 22 06:32:42 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: candycane to Shurato on Mon Aug 21 2023 09:00:38

    Wow, that bad?

    I remember seeing it in the early 90s and thinking "What the hell is that? It looks like someone made it for a school play!"

    In case that doesn't translate for non-Brits, a "school play" is when the drama teacher gets children from the school to star in a musical performance, usually with a 0 budget, which the parents then have to watch :)
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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to Bob Worm on Tue Aug 22 08:17:34 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Bob Worm to candycane on Tue Aug 22 2023 06:32 am

    In case that doesn't translate for non-Brits, a "school play" is when the drama teacher gets children from the school to star in a musical performance, usually with a 0 budget, which the parents then have to watch :) --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux

    We have school plays outside Britan, lol. I've had to participate in a few..

    candycane

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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to candycane on Tue Aug 22 14:03:49 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: candycane to Bob Worm on Tue Aug 22 2023 08:17:34

    We have school plays outside Britan, lol. I've had to participate in a few..

    I'm sure the concept is universal, but the name probably changes - sometimes my English friends get confused by my (English language) Welsh colloquialisms... which I don't even realise are colloquialisms :)

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Darklord on Tue Aug 22 19:26:00 2023
    On 13 Aug 23 15:54:10 Darklord wrote...

    I really like Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, books 1-4, but I did
    not care for the dark tone of book 5. The first 4 though,
    awesomeness! :)

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    DO.... NOT..... EVEN.....

    Idiot publishes a "Complete Hitchhiker's Guide" and then writes another story... publishes a "More than Complete Hitchhiker's Guide"... then
    dies.... then his SON publishes ANOTHER book.

    *mutters and throws things around the room swearing in British*

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Darklord on Tue Aug 22 19:30:12 2023
    Oh, so it was his widow? I was somehow under the impression it was his
    son behind it, but that it was mostly based on his notes.

    Of course, I'm still suffering trauma because the day I discovered it I
    was at work, in the dark era of my Walmart Assistant Manager days, so I
    wasn't able to scream profanities at the top of my lungs to vent my
    frustration at now having bought TWO >WORTHLESS< leather bound
    collections.

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Spectre on Tue Aug 22 19:32:12 2023
    On 21 Aug 23 04:04:00 Spectre wrote...

    But it was a bit like Dr Who for the time... you watched it because
    the story was good, and the actors ok, and you had a huge suspension
    of disbelief for the sets.

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Eh... I watched Dr. Who because sometimes the Doctor's female companions
    were hot.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Commodore Clifford on Wed Aug 23 12:55:00 2023
    Eh... I watched Dr. Who because sometimes the Doctor's female companions were hot.

    By the time he was getting hot companions, the story lines were starting to decay unfortunately.

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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to Bob Worm on Wed Aug 23 00:12:20 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Bob Worm to candycane on Tue Aug 22 2023 02:03 pm

    I'm sure the concept is universal, but the name probably changes - sometimes my English friends get confused by my (English language) Welsh colloquialisms... which I don't even realise are colloquialisms :)

    Fair, I'm not consious of them either ^^.

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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to Commodore Clifford on Wed Aug 23 00:20:29 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Commodore Clifford to Darklord on Tue Aug 22 2023 07:26 pm

    Idiot publishes a "Complete Hitchhiker's Guide" and then writes another story... publishes a "More than Complete Hitchhiker's Guide"... then

    I actually have the More than Complete edition (I think I've mentioned that already..), and yea the fourth book did feel more aimless.

    dies.... then his SON publishes ANOTHER book.

    Ah. That's why I've never heard of it.
    Has any post-mordem continuation been good? The only one I can think of rn is Rings of Power which *shiver* no

    *mutters and throws things around the room swearing in British*

    Wait, do Brits have different swears? Besides bloody I mean.

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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to Commodore Clifford on Wed Aug 23 00:22:05 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Commodore Clifford to Darklord on Tue Aug 22 2023 07:30 pm

    frustration at now having bought TWO >WORTHLESS< leather bound collections.

    Well, they're still a good read. Maybe sell the original trilogy collection? Might be able to pawn it off on someone who didn't know about the fourth.

    candycane

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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to candycane on Wed Aug 23 15:36:14 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: candycane to Commodore Clifford on Wed Aug 23 2023 00:20:29

    Wait, do Brits have different swears? Besides bloody I mean.

    Probably, but it's hard to know which ones because they're just "normal" to us.

    Perhaps for scientific purposes we could both list every bit of profanity we know and then cross reference the two lists?

    I'm not sure where that puts us within FSXNet posting rules but it seems like a fun game :)

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to candycane on Wed Aug 23 09:31:13 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: candycane to Commodore Clifford on Wed Aug 23 2023 12:20 am

    *mutters and throws things around the room swearing in British*

    Wait, do Brits have different swears? Besides bloody I mean.

    I've heard a couple Brits use "bollocks!" as a swear..

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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Nightfox on Wed Aug 23 20:04:15 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Nightfox to candycane on Wed Aug 23 2023 09:31:13

    I've heard a couple Brits use "bollocks!" as a swear..

    I can confirm that "bollocks" is one of our favourites. It's so diverse, I'm not sure how you do without it.

    Whether you want to express extreme disappointment (usually in a sticky situation of one's own making), dismiss a questionable / clearly false statement or just need a word to say while burping, "bollocks" has (have?) you covered.

    As a side note, if you're ever working with a Brit and make a disastrous mistake just tell them you completely bollocksed it up. They will likely forgive you on the spot and / or help you fix it.

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Spectre on Wed Aug 23 12:40:14 2023
    On 23 Aug 23 12:55:00 Spectre wrote...

    Eh... I watched Dr. Who because sometimes the Doctor's female companions were hot.

    By the time he was getting hot companions, the story lines were
    starting to decay unfortunately.

    Spec

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    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Sorry... uh... huh.... storylines?

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  • From phigan@21:3/177 to Darklord on Wed Aug 23 15:32:50 2023
    And Another Thing (2009)

    That guy normally writes kids' books, and it really comes through in his other writing. Was not really a fan of the book, but I didn't want to stop reading about Arthur and Ford and Zaphod and Trillian.

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Nightfox on Wed Aug 23 19:54:40 2023
    On 23 Aug 23 09:31:13 Nightfox wrote...

    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers By: candycane to
    Commodore Clifford on Wed Aug 23 2023 12:20 am

    *mutters and throws things around the room swearing in British*

    Wait, do Brits have different swears? Besides bloody I mean.

    I've heard a couple Brits use "bollocks!" as a swear..

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    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Well, they pronounce most of them the same, they just add an extra "u" or
    "e" sometimes (and not at the end of the sentence!)

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Bob Worm on Wed Aug 23 20:01:44 2023
    On 23 Aug 23 20:04:15 Bob Worm wrote...

    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers By: Nightfox to candycane
    on Wed Aug 23 2023 09:31:13

    I've heard a couple Brits use "bollocks!" as a swear..

    I can confirm that "bollocks" is one of our favourites. It's so
    diverse, I'm not sure how you do without it.

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    We use the "F" word for that. In fact, as we once learned, it can be
    used in place of almost every word of a sentence, as in...

    F those Fing Fers

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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to Bob Worm on Wed Aug 23 22:02:01 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Bob Worm to candycane on Wed Aug 23 2023 03:36 pm

    I'm not sure where that puts us within FSXNet posting rules but it seems like a fun game :)

    I would but I don't want to risk being banned ^^"

    candycane

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  • From candycane@21:4/141 to Bob Worm on Wed Aug 23 22:13:18 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Bob Worm to Nightfox on Wed Aug 23 2023 08:04 pm

    As a side note, if you're ever working with a Brit and make a disastrous mistake just tell them you completely bollocksed it up. They will likely forgive you on the spot and / or help you fix it.

    Does that apply to ANYTHING? Is this a cheatcode???

    candycane

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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 23 23:29:58 2023
    On 18 Aug 23 08:20:00 poindexter FORTRAN wrote...

    They're pretty close - the same voices/actors and the lines are
    almost identical.


    To which Darklord replies...


    Well then, it has to be simply awesome...! :)_


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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to Commodore Clifford on Wed Aug 23 23:39:04 2023
    On 22 Aug 23 19:26:00 Commodore Clifford wrote...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    DO.... NOT..... EVEN.....

    Idiot publishes a "Complete Hitchhiker's Guide" and then writes
    another story... publishes a "More than Complete Hitchhiker's
    Guide"... then dies.... then his SON publishes ANOTHER book.

    *mutters and throws things around the room swearing in British*

    To which Darklord replies...

    I know I know...but just like Aliens 1/2, Young Guns, Highlander, etc,
    just act like nothing else was ever released past that point.

    Works for me... :)


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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to phigan on Wed Aug 23 23:53:48 2023
    On 23 Aug 23 15:32:50 phigan wrote...

    And Another Thing (2009)

    That guy normally writes kids' books, and it really comes through in
    his other writing. Was not really a fan of the book, but I didn't
    want to stop reading about Arthur and Ford and Zaphod and Trillian.

    To which Darklord replies...

    Same. I love those characters...! :)


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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Commodore Clifford on Thu Aug 24 07:57:28 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Commodore Clifford to Bob Worm on Wed Aug 23 2023 20:01:44

    We use the "F" word for that. In fact, as we once learned, it can be
    used in place of almost every word of a sentence, as in...
    F those Fing Fers

    We have some experience with that word, sometimes it's a sledgehammer to crack a nut, though :)

    Next time you spill coffee down a clean shirt I'd encourage you to give "bollocks" a try, you might like it.

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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to candycane on Thu Aug 24 08:00:43 2023
    Re: Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: candycane to Bob Worm on Wed Aug 23 2023 22:13:18

    Does that apply to ANYTHING? Is this a cheatcode???

    It would probably get you out of most non-malice, genuine mistake situations. You only get one, though, so use it wisely.

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Darklord on Thu Aug 24 00:48:26 2023
    On 23 Aug 23 23:39:04 Darklord wrote...

    On 22 Aug 23 19:26:00 Commodore Clifford wrote...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    DO.... NOT..... EVEN.....

    Idiot publishes a "Complete Hitchhiker's Guide" and then writes
    another story... publishes a "More than Complete Hitchhiker's
    Guide"... then dies.... then his SON publishes ANOTHER book.

    *mutters and throws things around the room swearing in British*

    To which Darklord replies...

    I know I know...but just like Aliens 1/2, Young Guns, Highlander,
    etc, just act like nothing else was ever released past that point.

    Works for me... :)

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    NO. NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

    I wanna throw tantrum!

    *folds arms across chest and holds breath till he turns blue*

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Bob Worm on Thu Aug 24 10:34:30 2023
    On 24 Aug 23 07:57:28 Bob Worm wrote...

    We have some experience with that word, sometimes it's a sledgehammer
    to crack a nut, though :)

    Next time you spill coffee down a clean shirt I'd encourage you to
    give "bollocks" a try, you might like it.

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    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Perhaps I will at that. :)

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  • From Bf2K+@21:3/171 to Commodore Clifford on Thu Aug 24 14:15:58 2023
    On 24 Aug 23 10:34:30 Commodore Clifford wrote...

    On 24 Aug 23 07:57:28 Bob Worm wrote...

    We have some experience with that word, sometimes it's a
    sledgehammer to crack a nut, though :)

    Next time you spill coffee down a clean shirt I'd encourage you
    to give "bollocks" a try, you might like it.

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    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Perhaps I will at that. :)

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    To which Bf2K+ replies...

    I don't own any clean shirts...

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Bf2K+ on Thu Aug 24 14:39:16 2023
    On 24 Aug 23 07:57:28 Bob Worm wrote...

    Next time you spill coffee down a clean shirt I'd encourage
    you to give "bollocks" a try, you might like it.

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Perhaps I will at that. :)

    To which Bf2K+ replies...

    I don't own any clean shirts...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    BOLLOCKS!

    Hey... that kinda works... cool!

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Bob Worm on Sat Aug 26 22:47:00 2023
    I can confirm that "bollocks" is one of our favourites. It's so diverse, I'm not sure how you do without it.

    It sounds about as general purpose as "bugger" is down under... Things can be buggered, people can be buggered, situations can be buggered.. and of course there is always "bugger me" or "I'll be buggered..."

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Commodore Clifford on Sat Aug 26 22:52:00 2023
    Eh... I watched Dr. Who because sometimes the Doctor's female
    companions were hot.

    By the time he was getting hot companions, the story lines were
    starting to decay unfortunately.

    Sorry... uh... huh.... storylines?

    Hmmm so there was Leela, but she ran off with Tom Baker... and later on you
    get the pendulous Peri... and it was all down hill from there...

    Spec


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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Spectre on Sat Aug 26 21:49:37 2023
    Re: Day to day uses for retro computers
    By: Spectre to Bob Worm on Sat Aug 26 2023 22:47:00

    It sounds about as general purpose as "bugger" is down under... Things can be buggered, people can be buggered, situations can be buggered.. and of course there is always "bugger me" or "I'll be buggered..."

    Sounds about right - I feel like you guys paint from a similar palette to us but use the "vivid colours" a bit more often :)

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  • From Darklord@21:3/171 to Commodore Clifford on Tue Aug 29 16:55:54 2023
    On 24 Aug 23 00:48:26 Commodore Clifford wrote...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    NO. NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

    I wanna throw tantrum!

    *folds arms across chest and holds breath till he turns blue*

    To which Darklord replies...

    Methinks you're there... :)


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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Darklord on Tue Aug 29 21:31:38 2023
    On 29 Aug 23 16:55:54 Darklord wrote...

    On 24 Aug 23 00:48:26 Commodore Clifford wrote...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    NO. NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

    I wanna throw tantrum!

    *folds arms across chest and holds breath till he turns blue*

    To which Darklord replies...

    Methinks you're there... :)

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Da ba dee da ba di
    Da ba dee da ba di

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Commodore Clifford on Thu Sep 7 11:25:41 2023
    Idiot publishes a "Complete Hitchhiker's Guide" and then writes another story... publishes a "More than Complete Hitchhiker's Guide"... then dies.... then his SON publishes ANOTHER book.


    Heh... Some IP in books shouldn't be passed to another authors or generations. I'm OK sons or grandsons monetize this shit endlessly, like Tolkiens.. but hell... Conan ended with Howard's death. Dune with Frank Herbert, etc... exploiting others work through lose interpretation in continued stories are always.. only... breaking fans into canonical and non-canonical parts and verbal wars among what actually should be canonical.

    I always hated being involved in such conversations.. not I like endless exploiting. Some worlds and stories should be stay crisp without additional interpretations other than fan's talk while having a glass of something tasty.

    -h1

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