Debian and CentOS are both good choices. I am also rather fond of ubuntu for a server but whatever choice you make, they are all different but
more or less the same.. I hope that makes sense.. :)
After useing slackware for so long I'd have to remember just what makes debian or centos different. Mostly package managers. Slackware has a
very basic package manager.
I'm running CRBBS on a Debian 10 system here. Everything is running
pretty smooth. Debian is great for running servers, as they don't try to use any 'cutting edge' software. Both BinkD and Husky (HPT, HTick, etc) are running great on it.
CentOS is one that I haven't looked at yet. I haven't heard anything bad about it, so that's a good thing. :)
I was a loyal Ubuntu user for awhile. It seemed as though they were
trying to compete with Microsoft though. The amount of bloat that came pre-installed was getting a bit ridiculous, and then the constant "There are upgrades available" messages...
Familiarity is one good reason to choose a distro, if there's no other considerations.
CentOS is a repackaged Red Hat Enterprise Linux minus the support contracts. It is a very solid distro, but you will have to get used to a slightly different way of doing some things. But definitely a solid option.
I'd like to migrate Agency to Linux and run some HUB stuff as well fo Fido etc using BinkD and HPT instead of Fastecho. So it's baby steps for me.
You may need DOSemu or similar, if you run doors on Agency.
First thing it to build the box, and before I start decide on OS, I have a machine with an i5 and 8 gigs of ram which I hope/think will b OK. I can see this box having a number of services running on it down
Haha that sounds way overkill. :)
Looks like fun ahead. ;)
I'm running CRBBS on a Debian 10 system here. Everything is running
pretty smooth. Debian is great for running servers, as they don't try to use any 'cutting edge' software. Both BinkD and Husky (HPT, HTick, etc) are running great on it.
So I'm going to give you the docker answer.
Anyway, if you consider the docker route, you can easily deploy my container, play with it, destroy it, re-deploy it, spin up a couple of instances, which has everything to run a hub, and you can do several
times over in a couple of minutes.
do you want to tell the name of that mysterious software? =)
ok, i was expecting something like shoutcast or icecast for broadcasting audio.
Let me spin up the box with Debain first and fumble my way though with lots of questions about installing HPT etc. then I'll play with the
I'm then going to work on installing Debian 10 64 bit on the box and will start by trying to migrate Agency across to Linux. Then I plan to start working on changes to NET 1 hub operations.
I'm planning on letting ifcico run as a last step of the sending event
to be able to send echomail/netmail via ifcico protocols / dial-up as a fallback.
It's a step towards easier being able to switch to a conventional mailer, should I wish to in the future... It's always good to have options. :-)
to be able to send echomail/netmail via ifcico protocols / dial-up as fallback.
when I have progressed my changes, please remind me of this, as I would like to explore this also :)
Is there a preferred distro to use or avoid for setting up a HUB under Linux when looking to run software like BinkD and HPT, freq tools etc.
You may also want to play with qico - it has a "manager daemon" that can poll systems, so does retry failed operations. It only works over TCP
Yes, mgetty can handle the serial port connects - or inetd can handle the TCP/IP connections.
You can also use LXC containers. They are more similar to a "real" linux installation.
Is there a preferred distro to use or avoid for setting up a HUB under Linux when looking to run software like BinkD and HPT, freq tools etc.
I was thinking something like Debian or CentOS ??
Ragnarok wrote to Avon <=-
El 9/9/20 a las 21:03, Avon escribi¢:
Is there a preferred distro to use or avoid for setting up a HUB under Linux when looking to run software like BinkD and HPT, freq tools etc.
I was thinking something like Debian or CentOS ??
Debian, you can get binkd from ofical repository and compile husky
tools , crashmail etc as you need.
I'm running Devuan (Debian minus SystemD... if I wanted a centralize db I'd run Windows!) with SBBS and that has as I'm sure you know BinkIt.
Lightman wrote to N1uro <=-
I'm glad to see anything minus sysd - it has infected everything (at
least everything that seems to have a future in the Linux space - I
hope some will disagree here, it wouldn't hurt my feelings).
... we now return you to the thread context
Lightman wrote to N1uro <=-
I'm running Devuan (Debian minus SystemD... if I wanted a centralize db I'd run Windows!) with SBBS and that has as I'm sure you know BinkIt.
I'm glad to see anything minus sysd - it has infected everything
(at least everything that seems to have a future in the Linux
space - I hope some will disagree here, it wouldn't hurt my
feelings).
I'm running Devuan (Debian minus SystemD... if I wanted a centralize db I'd run Windows!) with SBBS and that has as I'm sure you know BinkIt.
acn wrote to N1uro <=-
Same here, I'm also using Devuan with Synchronet.
For using binkd + hpt + golded, there is an interesting project called "Fidian" which wants to make the usage of these tools more easy: https://www.kuehlbox.wtf/fidian
This adds a Debian repository which adds the missing packages and configures everything.
But I did not try it for myself :)
Same here, I'm also using Devuan with Synchronet.Seems like a nice combo! I really don't have any complaints.
For using binkd + hpt + golded, there is an interesting project called ac>> "Fidian" which wants to make the usage of these tools more easy:
https://www.kuehlbox.wtf/fidian
My install of Synchronet has it all built in except for multimail however that's in the repositories.
This adds a Debian repository which adds the missing packages and
configures everything.
I found compiling and running make install did what I needed it to do.
I already had dosemu and a few other toys installed for ham radio usage.
acn wrote to N1uro <=-
Same here. I just wanted to mention it as an alternative if someone
just wants to use binkd+hpt+golded without a BBS attached to it.
I also compiled a dosemu version for my Devuan box (although I've
created a .deb package) myself which works quite well for me :)
And yes, normally using eg. configure/make/make install is working just fine :)
Slackware Linux is systemd-free, and likely always will be.
Same here. I just wanted to mention it as an alternative if someone
just wants to use binkd+hpt+golded without a BBS attached to it.
That's great to hear! I know someone in my fido area who does just that.
He may be a good candidate to test it with.
If you set your dosemu.cfg file so that video=none, you can then set
your dos conventional ram to 756K... the bbs will push your video for you
so you shouldn't have any issues. I do that on amateur radio packet with
my instance of MFNOS and even the author of the program is amazed at the conventional memory left after it's loaded. I should have about 50K on a standard DOS system but I actually have over 300K of conventional left.
You may find some games will run a bit smoother.
acn wrote to N1uro <=-
Another idea, which is way easier (in my opinion), is to use OpenXP as
a point software. I guess it is comparable to golded, but has
everything needed to poll for packets built-in. You just have so search
a BBS uplink and register as a point. And you also don't have to have binkp running as a daemon all the time :)
Thank you for this hint!
Although, at the moment at least, all my doors are running fine :)
Another idea, which is way easier (in my opinion), is to use OpenXP as ac>> a point software. I guess it is comparable to golded, but has
everything needed to poll for packets built-in. You just have so search ac>> a BBS uplink and register as a point. And you also don't have to have
binkp running as a daemon all the time :)
In my case, the server is up 24/7 except when there's a power issue that's drained my UPS or I'm running my clonezilla month-end backup.
acn wrote to N1uro <=-
;-)
Same here, I'm using OpenXP via SSH on one of my servers because I
prefer its ease of use.
I think it is a little easier to handle compared to binkd/hpt/golded as
it is menu-driven rather than config-file-driven.
So, if someone just wants to be part of the message networks, OpenXP is
a fine solution and easier than binkd/hpt/golded or a complete BBS package. And it is more comfortable than QWK/MultiMail IMHO.
Quoting N1uro to acn <=-
I've always prefered QWK packets... we all have our likes and our dislikes. I'm glad you found yours. If BlueWave were native to linux
I'd be in paradise but MultiMail is doing the job quite well.
Quoting N1uro to acn <=-
I've always prefered QWK packets... we all have our likes and our dislikes. I'm glad you found yours. If BlueWave were native to linux
I'd be in paradise but MultiMail is doing the job quite well.
I have been enjoying BlueWave 2.30 for DOS on my Linux machine via
DOSBOX-X. I use TDE for DOS as the text editor.
I like using DOS better because it displays the ANSI graphics better than my Linux terminal I was using for MultiMail.
Same here, I'm using OpenXP via SSH on one of my servers
because I prefer its ease of use.
I think it is a little easier to handle compared to binkd/
hpt/golded as it is menu-driven rather than config-file-
driven.
So, if someone just wants to be part of the message
networks, OpenXP is a fine solution and easier than binkd/
hpt/golded or a complete BBS package. And it is more
comfortable than QWK/MultiMail IMHO.
So, if someone just wants to be part of the message
networks, OpenXP is a fine solution and easier than
binkd/hpt/golded or a complete BBS package. And it is
more comfortable than QWK/MultiMail IMHO.
I've always prefered QWK packets... we all have our likes
and our dislikes. I'm glad you found yours. If BlueWave
were native to linux I'd be in paradise but MultiMail is
doing the job quite well.
Ogg wrote to N1uro <=-
OpenXP is available for Linux too with either /32 or /64
versions.
OpenXP is available for Linux too with either /32 or /64
versions.
The linux release is 64 bit and the windows release is 32 bit.
The source is also available so for can build their own if they choose.
The linux release is 64 bit and the windows release is 32 bit.
Linux = i586 or x86_64
I believe i586=32bit
And yes.. The Windows version is only 32bit.
Quoting Al to Elf <=-
I have been enjoying BlueWave 2.30 for DOS on my Linux machine via
DOSBOX-X. I use TDE for DOS as the text editor.
I like using DOS better because it displays the ANSI graphics better than my Linux terminal I was using for MultiMail.
I run multimail like this..
LANG=en_CA mm
Gives me the good old DOS look along with viewing ANSi in the ansi
viewer.
Quoting Ogg to N1uro <=-
OpenXP is available for Linux too with either /32 or /64
versions.
And yes.. The Windows version is only 32bit.
I think it's likely windows will go 64bit at some point. Probably sooner than later but I don't know.
I run multimail like this..
LANG=en_CA mm
Gives me the good old DOS look along with viewing ANSi in the ansi
viewer.
Yeah, that's not working for me. What terminal are you using?
I don't think Windows will drop 32-bit support anytime soon and there is not much you would gain with a 64-bit OpenXP version anyway.
Hello acn!
** On Wednesday 26.05.21 - 16:28, acn wrote to N1uro:
Same here, I'm using OpenXP via SSH on one of my servers
because I prefer its ease of use.
Do you have to do anything special for the SSH part? Is it
just a matter of pointing to a specific port number, and that's
it?
The linux release is 64 bit and the windows release is 32 bit.
Linux = i586 or x86_64
I believe i586=32bit
Yep, and yep.
But there is no 32bit linux version. Just an x86_64 binary
or rpm package. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe no one uses
32bit linux anymore? I've been 64bit since 2002 or so.
OpenXP is available for Linux too with either /32 or /64
versions.
I would love to try it but . . . sounds like you need more
knowledge of how to link it into the messages or
something? Connecting to a point or something?
...I tried installing it on Linux but apparently it relies
on some old libraries that are not available in my ubuntu-
based 20.04.2 LTS installations.
I've always prefered QWK packets... we all have our likes and our dislikes. I'm glad you found yours.
If BlueWave were native to linux I'd be in
paradise but MultiMail is doing the job quite well.
Same here, I'm using OpenXP via SSH on one of my servers
because I prefer its ease of use.
Do you have to do anything special for the SSH part? Is it
just a matter of pointing to a specific port number, and that's
it?
Elf wrote to N1uro <=-
I have been enjoying BlueWave 2.30 for DOS on my Linux machine via DOSBOX-X. I use TDE for DOS as the text editor. I like using DOS
better because it displays the ANSI graphics better than my Linux
terminal I was using for MultiMail. I also like BlueWave's single space bar navigation through the whole package and the percentage read of
each packet that is displayed without opening each packet to see what
is left. Oh, and I love the TAB key for jumping past the current thread
to the next.
Ogg wrote to N1uro <=-
Well.. it's like they say: you don't know what you're missing.
acn wrote to N1uro <=-
Same for you! :) It's always good to have options to choose from.
I think I've tried BW back in the 90s but I don't remember its usage :)
Quoting N1uro to Elf <=-
I considered that however all my researching said that it suffered a
Y2K date issue that was never properly patched. I'm not overly
concerned about some of the ANSI stuff in mail. I'm used to it pushing ANSI on packet radio <G>
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