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Hello alterego,

I dont think Mystic should be used as a hub mail tosser at all.

There is a pretty strong argument for that.

There are also the Mystic users who simply want to connect a network or three and get that done. I think they are OK to do that if they don't attempt moving mail.

I don't know what the numbers are exactly but I think both Mystic and Synchronet have a large number of users. Hundreds I'm sure. In both cases users

















































































































































































































































































are stuck with the supplied tossers. SMB is only supported by Synchronet as far

















































































































































































































































































as I know. Mystic uses Jam but has special needs, the mutil forward= lines come

















































































































































































































































































to mind. Off the top of my head I don't know any tosser that does that. Perhaps































































































































































SEEN-BY: 1/100 2/100 101 106 107 108 111 114 115 116 118 1202 128 130 132 137 SEEN-BY: 2/138 140 141 145 147 150 151 159 160 161 162 163 167 3/100 4/100

On 20 Apr 2020 at 02:52p, Al pondered and said...

James' views on the topic are come across disconnected with what folk want and/or expect. Because of that, I dont think you could reasonibl expect any optimisations, improvement or innovation for that use case

Whatever James personal views on things he has always listened to input from those who use Mystic and achomail has always been a priority.

I've done a lot over the years with him and found him receptive to my
feedback, until it seems recently... which really saddens me as have enjoyed the collaboration.

Like anyone he can form a view and wish to stick to it, but I have seen
many times where he has also been open to others comments. I think where
things can get rough at times is where a topic comes up that has shall we say 'history' that the person(s) raising it (often in good faith) will be unaware of.

Then at those times things can get rather heated rather quickly as in the
case of the author it's stuff he's covered many a time before albeit
sometimes in different echos, months or years.

I'm not condoning anyones actions in saying this. I'm just as guilty as the next dude at times for either misreading or not reading what is being said in plain text. But what I would like to point out is that for all of the ups and downs of recent I've found James to be open to feedback and often very quick
to act on it.

Best, Paul

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On 21 Apr 2020 at 03:14p, alterego pondered and said...

This may be true - well is infact true... sometimes.

Look, I'm not wanting to start anything here, I'm really not. I just
think he has a view on how a network should be run with the software he authors, and its not how this network is run, and he has not received

I also do not want to re-litigate things. I do hear and respect your comments.

I have enjoyed using and supporting Mystic for more than six years now and during that time much development work has been done on echomail
functionality. Things have come a long way since I first started using it. While nothing is ever perfect it continues to evolve.

My hope is that the current issues with SEEN-BY can be resolved. It appears to me James is open to doing that and has been working with Al to sort this,
hence I'm testing those updates.

If mass dupes and dramas ensue such that nodes are severely impacted then I am certainly open to moving away from MUTIL as a tosser and have done so in the past for a time.

But my hope is that the issues can be addressed, Time as they say. will tell.

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Re: New prealpha
By: Al to alterego on Mon Apr 20 2020 02:52 pm

I don't know what the numbers are exactly but I think both Mystic and Synchronet have a large number of users. Hundreds I'm sure. In both cases users
are stuck with the supplied tossers. SMB is only supported by Synchronet as far
as I know.

There *have* been other tossers that supported SMB (e.g. InterMail), but really SBBSecho is the only real survivor and the only one anyone should need. And of course, being open source, nobody's really really "stuck" with SBBSecho's behavior in any regard as they can change it.
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