• Magimail Via Line @domain

    From Mindsurfer@21:3/119 to All on Tue Aug 11 23:22:52 2020
    It has been brought to my attention by my new fidonet hub, that the via
    line that is added by magimail is missing the @domain, like so x:xxx:xxxx@fidonet

    Is that a thing you can configure in magimail.prefs? I have not found
    anything about that.

    Best Regards,
    Mindsurfer

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  • From Mindsurfer@21:3/119 to Mindsurfer on Wed Aug 12 00:44:17 2020
    It has been brought to my attention by my new fidonet hub, that the
    via line that is added by magimail is missing the @domain, like so x:xxx:xxxx@fidonet

    Is that a thing you can configure in magimail.prefs? I have not
    found anything about that.

    Ok, i took some time to look up the fidonet standard about via lines
    Its obviously not correct to demand the FTN address to have @domain
    attached to it, As it is defined as optional in FTS-4009.
    See 3. Example of valid usage are http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-4009.001

    Regards,
    Mindsurfer

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Mindsurfer on Thu Aug 13 13:12:05 2020
    Mindsurfer wrote to Mindsurfer <=-

    Ok, i took some time to look up the fidonet standard about via lines
    Its obviously not correct to demand the FTN address to have @domain attached to it, As it is defined as optional in FTS-4009.
    See 3. Example of valid usage are http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-4009.001

    Who is your fidonet hub and have you pointed this out to him/her? I would suspect that there are several, older tossers being used in various parts
    of the network which don't have the domain attached.

    Mike @ 1:2320/105


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Mindsurfer on Thu Aug 13 13:39:16 2020
    Hello Mindsurfer,

    PS: who knows if hpt can have a netmail area per network?

    I ran husky with magicka before and it worked well. I had a problem with netmail to filefix when I had a different netmail area per net. I think that can be solved with the CC funtions.

    I also ran MagiMail and found it to be a great tosser.

    I don't know what tosser your RC is using but I have never heard this "your @via line must contain @domain" before and am sorry for your troubles.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Mindsurfer@21:1/106 to Blue White on Thu Aug 13 22:00:13 2020
    Who is your fidonet hub and have you pointed this out to him/her? I
    would suspect that there are several, older tossers being used in
    various parts of the network which don't have the domain attached.
    well, i guess in the long run i have to do as i am told since i am new and a node only and he is an experienced and long-serving RC and surely knows what
    he is talking about. I just thought the ftsc standards are what matters. Its maybe a good thing to have that @domain added to the Kludge. I dont know and
    i dont want any bad blood at all. But it feels a little strange when you can find in the ftsc files that the domain is defined as optional and your RC
    says it is not. Yes there has been a particular proposal in 2003 changing Kludge in regards of domain and more. But as far as i know it has not been accepted. I am currently trying to get
    husky hpt up and running.(hpt was recommended) To bad that i have everything done and working with Magimail/Crashmail2 already. I hope i can make hpt run together with MagickaBBS and everyone is happy again. It should be possible.

    Regards,
    Mindsurfer

    PS: who knows if hpt can have a netmail area per network?

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Al on Fri Aug 14 11:13:34 2020
    I don't know what tosser your RC is using but I have never heard this "you
    r @via line must contain @domain" before and am sorry for your troubles.

    Sounds like a good reason to stay away from fidonet.

    I'm sure if you said you were using crashmail, this never would have come
    up...

    So now you have to use HPT, which works ok, but it's less than ideal (HPT
    is buggy with JAM - but I have added some work arounds). Crashmail is
    also buggy as, but I think I fixed most of them in magimail.

    But this is what you get for developing BBS software in 2020.

    I say just stay away from fidonet...

    Andrew


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to apam on Thu Aug 13 22:15:20 2020
    Hello apam,

    I don't know what tosser your RC is using but I have never heard
    this "your @via line must contain @domain" before and am sorry for
    your troubles.

    Sounds like a good reason to stay away from fidonet.

    I've had a few stinky encounters in fidoland but the majority of my encounters have been good and positive.

    I'm sure if you said you were using crashmail, this never would have
    come up...

    I would use my tosser of choice and if it doesn't work with a particular link I would link elsewhere if that's the way it needed to be.

    So now you have to use HPT, which works ok, but it's less than ideal
    (HPT is buggy with JAM - but I have added some work arounds).
    Crashmail is also buggy as, but I think I fixed most of them in
    magimail.

    Yep, I had not a single problem with magimail.

    But this is what you get for developing BBS software in 2020.

    Don't let them get you down.

    I say just stay away from fidonet...

    That idea has occurred to me from time to time.. but I can't. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Mindsurfer@21:3/119 to apam on Fri Aug 14 08:49:35 2020
    I'm sure if you said you were using crashmail, this never would
    have come up...
    sure, he first saw the name Magimail in the Kludge, but i told him that
    this basicly is a crashmail2 fork after that.

    So now you have to use HPT, which works ok, but it's less than
    ideal (HPT is buggy with JAM - but I have added some work arounds).
    hmm,. great

    Mindsurfer

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  • From Mindsurfer@21:3/119 to apam on Fri Aug 14 12:09:18 2020
    base. It was reported, maybe they've fixed it?
    seems the husky project moved over to github this year. at least if i understand that right. the main project page is still on sourceforge.
    but i dont know if there is an active bugfixing or even development going
    on currently.
    i git clone'd all tools around hpt from github and compiled it on my
    raspberry pi. As Al mentioned, i want to have one netmail area only with
    husky and
    clone to other ones that i have in MagickaBBS from there. htick, another
    husky tool, is taking care about tossing files and areafix. nltools seems
    to read in nodelists.

    Anyway, I added a work around that if it doesn't exist in the JAM
    headers, it will pull it out of the origin line. If that fails due
    to someone not using an origin line or invalid origin line or
    whatever, it's not a deal breaker, it just means you won't know the
    origin of the message.
    Ok, thanks for that.

    HPT will work, and in HPT you can split up your config file into
    multiple files. You won't be able to process any filefix requests
    with it though, but I imagine it's a non-issue if you're not
    hosting any areas.
    As said, there are some more husky tools beside hpt that should take care
    of
    that. i could still use the file tosser that comes with MagickaBBS, but i
    think its better to switch that to husky too.

    Magimail did do both, Echo and Netmail on Scan. With hpt that are two
    different
    commands. one is 'scan', one is 'pack'. i will just call both successive
    when mail.out is touched.

    And if i did not say it yet, thanks for all the work you have put into MagickaBBS, Magimail and everything connected to BBSs!

    Regards,
    Stephan

    PS: the MagickaBBS Message Editor still needs some love i guess. when you
    write
    into a line that is filled up to the end already and it moves the part of
    the text to the next line, that can mix up things badly sometimes.


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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Mindsurfer on Fri Aug 14 19:04:55 2020
    hmm,. great

    Don't worry, HPT will work. Al had it running, I can't exactly remember
    what the bug was, I think it was something to do with origin addresses,
    and HPT doesn't fill it in in the JAM message base. It was reported,
    maybe they've fixed it?

    Anyway, I added a work around that if it doesn't exist in the JAM
    headers, it will pull it out of the origin line. If that fails due to
    someone not using an origin line or invalid origin line or whatever, it's
    not a deal breaker, it just means you won't know the origin of the
    message.

    sure, he first saw the name Magimail in the Kludge, but i told him that this basicly is a crashmail2 fork after that.

    Yeah, i figured as much.

    HPT will work, and in HPT you can split up your config file into multiple files. You won't be able to process any filefix requests with it though,
    but I imagine it's a non-issue if you're not hosting any areas.

    Andrew


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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Al on Fri Aug 14 19:31:54 2020
    I've had a few stinky encounters in fidoland but the majority of my encoun
    ters have been good and positive.

    I haven't really had any, I joined up a year or so ago. The uplink I had
    was nice enough, but any areas I was interested in had zero traffic,
    other areas were disgusting, though I've heard the cooking echo is ok
    (though I'm not really interested in cooking).

    Perhaps there are more interesting things in other languages.

    Don't let them get you down.

    Yeah.

    Andrew


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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Mindsurfer on Fri Aug 14 20:17:00 2020
    PS: the MagickaBBS Message Editor still needs some love i guess. when you write
    into a line that is filled up to the end already and it moves the part of the text to the next line, that can mix up things badly sometimes.

    Yeah, I think I really need to start over with the editor.

    At present it mostly works, so I've put it off.

    Andrew


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  • From Tiny@21:1/130 to Mindsurfer on Fri Aug 14 10:57:42 2020
    Mindsurfer wrote to Blue White <=-

    well, i guess in the long run i have to do as i am told since i am new
    and a node only and he is an experienced and long-serving RC and surely knows what he is talking about. I just thought the ftsc standards are

    Just switch HUBS. I'll give you a feed if you want one.

    what matters. Its maybe a good thing to have that @domain added to the Kludge. I dont know and i dont want any bad blood at all. But it feels
    a little strange when you can find in the ftsc files that the domain is defined as optional and your RC says it is not. Yes there has been a

    I can't support it here my tosser is 25+ years old.

    Shawn

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  • From Tiny@21:1/130 to apam on Fri Aug 14 10:59:30 2020
    apam wrote to Al <=-

    But this is what you get for developing BBS software in 2020.

    This is why people like you burn out. Idiots who demand stupid kludges
    that no one uses.

    I say just stay away from fidonet...

    It's very toxic. Just use a different HUB, talk to Nick Andre he's a greatguy
    and doesn't give a single fart about the dim wits.

    Shawn

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Mindsurfer on Fri Aug 14 10:09:08 2020
    Hello Mindsurfer,

    seems the husky project moved over to github this year. at least if i understand that right. the main project page is still on sourceforge.
    but i dont know if there is an active bugfixing or even development
    going on currently.

    I'm not sure there is development going on but they do maintain husky. The version I run is from early 2020, only a small fix for txt2pkt from earlier versions but they do have eyes on it and could go into development mode if they wanted or needed to.

    I'm not sure if these Jam problems have been looked at or not but if we brought it up we could find out if they can or will be solved.

    i git clone'd all tools around hpt from github and compiled it on my raspberry pi.

    Yes, I have done this too but I usually wait for a new release being available at download.huskyproject.org.

    As Al mentioned, i want to have one netmail area only with husky and
    clone to other ones that i have in MagickaBBS from there. htick,
    another husky tool, is taking care about tossing files and areafix. nltools seems to read in nodelists.

    I don't mind a netmail area per net but I prefer a single netmail area but it would require the untangling of AKA matching. Apam may get to that, I'm not sure.

    It would solve a problem I had with filefix but I think there are other solutions for that also that could be explored.

    As said, there are some more husky tools beside hpt that should take
    care of that. i could still use the file tosser that comes with MagickaBBS, but i think its better to switch that to husky too.

    I had a MagickaBBS running in a linode. It was a great setup but it's gone away for the time being for lack of funds.

    I was talking to Apam about all that and I think with input from sysops running those tools, in time it could all be made to work. The development of these things does take time though.

    Magimail did do both, Echo and Netmail on Scan. With hpt that are two different commands. one is 'scan', one is 'pack'. i will just call
    both successive when mail.out is touched.

    hpt will toss both echomail and netmail when you toss if netmail areas are listed in your export.log or echotoss.log (not sure which now) if you configure it so but I always scan and pack.

    And if i did not say it yet, thanks for all the work you have put into MagickaBBS, Magimail and everything connected to BBSs!

    I concure, absolutely, thank you Apam. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Mindsurfer on Fri Aug 14 10:36:52 2020
    Hello Mindsurfer,

    hpt will toss both echomail and netmail when you toss if netmail areas
    are listed in your export.log or echotoss.log (not sure which now) if
    you configure it so but I always scan and pack.

    I said toss but I meant scan.. ;) hpt will scan out netmail also if listed/configured so.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@21:4/106.2 to apam on Fri Aug 14 12:24:32 2020
    On 14 Aug 2020, apam said the following...

    I've had a few stinky encounters in fidoland but the majority of my encounters have been good and positive.

    I haven't really had any, I joined up a year or so ago. The uplink I had was nice enough, but any areas I was interested in had zero traffic,
    other areas were disgusting, though I've heard the cooking echo is ok (though I'm not really interested in cooking).

    Fidonet is not what it once was to be sure, but I still do my best in support of it. The cooking echo is always in the top 10 as far as traffic goes but I also can't participate. I can eat but I am no cook.

    Perhaps there are more interesting things in other languages.

    Yes, there are many russian echoes that I can't read and I suspect are doing quite well. Z4 also had a lot of Spanish (I think) areas but being an english only speaker/writter I don't know what goes on there.

    Don't let them get you down.

    Yeah.

    Really, truly.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Tiny@21:1/130 to Al on Sat Aug 15 08:28:48 2020
    Al wrote to apam <=-

    Fidonet is not what it once was to be sure, but I still do my best in support of it. The cooking echo is always in the top 10 as far as
    traffic goes but I also can't participate. I can eat but I am no cook.

    They are a great bunch in that echo. You can post reviews of places you've
    eaten you know? The rules are very slack.

    Shawn

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to apam on Sat Aug 15 10:29:17 2020
    apam wrote to Al <=-

    I haven't really had any, I joined up a year or so ago. The uplink I
    had was nice enough, but any areas I was interested in had zero
    traffic, other areas were disgusting, though I've heard the cooking
    echo is ok (though I'm not really interested in cooking).

    Cooking, Memories, Coffee_Klatsch are OK and can be pretty active
    (especially Cooking). The sysop echos are often all interlaced with
    politics (both FIDO and "political" politics) and I don't read any of those.




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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Mindsurfer on Sat Aug 15 10:31:32 2020
    Mindsurfer wrote to Blue White <=-

    trying to get husky hpt up and running.(hpt was recommended) To bad
    that i have everything done and working with Magimail/Crashmail2
    already. I hope i can make hpt run together with MagickaBBS and
    everyone is happy again. It should be possible.

    Well, Magimail/Crashmail are both open source, so it would be possible for someone who can program in whatever language they are in to make them 5D compliant.

    That said, since it is not the standard I suspect your RC is mistaken.

    You can always maintain that RC connection for netmail only (that is all
    that is required in Fido), and use a different hub for echomail, as others
    have suggested. Tiny has volunteered, someone volunteered Nick, and you
    are also free to set up a connection with my hub system, if you like.

    PS: who knows if hpt can have a netmail area per network?

    I do not know.



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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to apam on Wed Oct 7 10:35:19 2020
    apam wrote (2020-08-14):

    So now you have to use HPT, which works ok, but it's less than ideal (HPT is buggy with JAM - but I have added some work arounds). Crashmail is
    also buggy as, but I think I fixed most of them in magimail.

    Why don't you send patches / PRs to the crashmail project? ;) In FTN-land everything is forked over and over again until nobody knows which version to use ...

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Oli on Wed Oct 7 21:51:32 2020
    Why don't you send patches / PRs to the crashmail project? ;) In FTN-land everything is forked over and over again until nobody knows which version to use ...

    Because a lot of my changes are only useful to magicka users.

    I don't know that every thing is forked over and over again? What things are you talking about?

    Andrew


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