Anyone have tourist suggestions for Augsburg?

I'll be exploring it a bit, though might end up doing entirely normal things like seeing the variety of thrift stores that are around.

But I'm sure I'll take in (musical) organs, too, when I get the chance.

Though it _does_ seem pretty neat with the system of waterways throughout the city, that I guess date from Roman times.

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Anyone have tourist suggestions for Augsburg?

I'll be exploring it a bit, though might end up doing entirely normal things like seeing the variety of thrift stores that are around.

But I'm sure I'll take in (musical) organs, too, when I get the chance.

Though it _does_ seem pretty neat with the system of waterways throughout the
city, that I guess date from Roman times.

Sorry, spent most of my military touring Central America, Okiniwa,
Phillipines\

My brothers spent time in Europe and Italy etc.
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Sorry, spent most of my military touring Central America, Okiniwa, Phillipines\

My brothers spent time in Europe and Italy etc.

Makes sense. And, yeah, even if someone was stationed in Germany, I'm not sure they'd end up touring around Augsburg.

And I've only been to North America and Europe, so far, for continents. Not that I'm a huge travel person or anything.

That said, one of the neat things I've learned about Augsburg is that there's a place that, if you're Catholic, willing to abide by a variety of rules, etc., you can rent an apartment in this place for 88 cents a year.

I guess it's at that, because it's basically the price, un-adjusted for inflation, that the place charged back in 1521 when they opened. Or something along that line, anyway, since talking about currency over that long of a stretch is always a bit weird.

But it's meant as a place for people who are the working poor to get back on their feet, or, if they're older, a place to stay as you get older/sicker/die, as there's a place for that, too.

And it was kind of fascinating, as it was paid for by a guy / family that clearly owned much of the city. And it was kind of interesting, as I saw that place, and then saw the gravestone for the same people, in a prominent place in a protestant church.

Which led to its own interesting anecdotes, because, yeah, the church started out Catholic, and there was evidently a long-planned design for putting a fence around the grave that got tossed when the church went protestant.

(And my apologies on the religion talk. I'm not meaning to talk about religion, and trying to just talk about the historical aspects, just that it was directly pertinent on a couple of interesting things. Much like when I get selfies with organs.)

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Am 29.05.23 schrieb Adept@21:2/108 in FSX_LFE:

Hallo Adept,

Anyone have tourist suggestions for Augsburg?

I'll be exploring it a bit, though might end up doing entirely
normal things like seeing the variety of thrift stores that are
around.

But I'm sure I'll take in (musical) organs, too, when I get the
chance.

Though it _does_ seem pretty neat with the system of waterways
throughout the city, that I guess date from Roman times.

Augsburg is quite a nice city with a very long history (over 2000
years).
I've lived in the city of Friedberg (the next city east of Augsburg)
for quite a while before moving to the west (first T�bingen, now
Karlsruhe), so I know it a little :)

But I fail miserably to give advice when it comes to "tourist
attractions", sorry.
The "Altstadt" is quite nice, it's where the many waterways are,
between the city center and the big mall (City Galerie).
The "Augsburger Puppenkiste" is a famous marionette theater that's
quite nice.

Are you interested in something special?

Regards,
Anna

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The "Altstadt" is quite nice, it's where the many waterways are,
between the city center and the big mall (City Galerie).

Yeah, I've enjoyed seeing the waterways, and how they intersect.

Though today I wound up in Munich, and for waterways, wound up seeing the surfers, which was pretty neat, if always a bit odd.

The "Augsburger Puppenkiste" is a famous marionette theater that's
quite nice.

I hear that everyone of a certain age has some sort of connection or knowledge of that.

Are you interested in something special?

No, I really was more asking for the conversational aspect of it. If people mention things that are neat, so much the better.

And, on the Augsburg note, I did see something kinda neat, at the Stadtmarkt, where they re-purposed a cigarette machine into an art vending machine. Probably gets people to buy more art than they would otherwise, though it's 4 Euro sketches, so not exactly expecting something fancy.

But still a neat concept.

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Adept wrote (2023-06-01):

The "Augsburger Puppenkiste" is a famous marionette theater that's
quite nice.

I hear that everyone of a certain age has some sort of connection or knowledge of that.

They produced a couple of popular movies and TV shows: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Produktionen_der_Augsburger_Puppenkiste

I loved them as a kid and still think they are fun to watch.

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Am 01.06.23 schrieb Adept@21:2/108 in FSX_LFE:

Hallo Adept,

The "Altstadt" is quite nice, it's where the many waterways are,
between the city center and the big mall (City Galerie).

Yeah, I've enjoyed seeing the waterways, and how they intersect.

And AFAIK it's even a UNESCO world heritage :)

Though today I wound up in Munich,

Also a nice city :) (and I was born there)

Are you interested in something special?

No, I really was more asking for the conversational aspect of it. If people mention things that are neat, so much the better.

In Munich, I like visiting the "MVG Museum", which displays the local transport history (trams, subways, busses). The next opening day is
June 11th.
Generally speaking, the "Deutsches Museum" is a all-time favourite, it
also has some other locations where transport items or aircraft can be
seen.

And, on the Augsburg note, I did see something kinda neat, at the Stadtmarkt, where they re-purposed a cigarette machine into an art vending machine. Probably gets people to buy more art than they would otherwise, though it's 4 Euro sketches, so not exactly expecting something fancy.
But still a neat concept.

Oh, nice :) I did not know this.

As I'm writing to you, I have to notice how little I really know about
the cities I've lived in, at least concerning "tourist tips" or
something like that.
Although I have to admit that I don't live there since 2006 ;-)

Regards,
Anna

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They produced a couple of popular movies and TV shows: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Produktionen_der_Augsburger_Puppen

I loved them as a kid and still think they are fun to watch.

I wound up going to the museum, and it was neat, though a bit lost on me, having not grown up on it.

But still looked neat, and watching a clip of one of the things they did was also pretty neat. Especially with seeing how they'd do a water effect using clear plastic and bubbles, if undersea.

But judging from the reactions of people who _did_ grow up with it, it had quite the impact.

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Yeah, I've enjoyed seeing the waterways, and how they intersect.

And AFAIK it's even a UNESCO world heritage :)

Nifty!

Though that then reminds me of the demoscene, which I believe recently received such a designation.

Though it's an "intangible heritage" or something.

Though today I wound up in Munich,

Also a nice city :) (and I was born there)

Also nifty! And, yeah, it was interesting to see more of it than I did when coming in through the train station after having landed there on a plane.

I still haven't seen Oktoberfest stuff, but not being much of a beer drinker, the festival would probably be fairly lost on me.

In Munich, I like visiting the "MVG Museum", which displays the local transport history (trams, subways, busses). The next opening day is
June 11th.

I won't be around, then, sadly, as I'll be back to work, but it does sound pretty cool.

Generally speaking, the "Deutsches Museum" is a all-time favourite, it also has some other locations where transport items or aircraft can be seen.

Yeah, that was a possibility for the day trip, but choosing between seeing various churches and general sightseeing and that, the other items won out. I think the struggle with the Deutsches Museum is that it requires a fairly long visit, because there's so much to see.

As I'm writing to you, I have to notice how little I really know about the cities I've lived in, at least concerning "tourist tips" or something like that.

I remember saying something along the lines of, "No, of course I haven't been there in a while -- I live here."

Tourist spots are for tourists, and it's oddly challenging to be a tourist in your own city, unless you have someone come to visit you to do stuff.

Although I have to admit that I don't live there since 2006 ;-)

Time for a tourist trip to Augsburg and Munich! :)

Though probably hits a bit differently when going back to a place where you once lived.

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Am 02.06.23 schrieb Adept@21:2/108 in FSX_LFE:

Hallo Adept,

Though that then reminds me of the demoscene, which I believe recently received such a designation.
Though it's an "intangible heritage" or something.

Oh yes, right, I remember :)

[Munich]

I still haven't seen Oktoberfest stuff, but not being much of a beer drinker, the festival would probably be fairly lost on me.

Although I'm born there and thus a native bavarian, I also don't drink
any beer at all :)
And I think the Oktoberfest stuff is really heavily overrated.
It is absolutely overpriced and far too many people gather there, get
drunk, harass other people, get in fights, vomit etc.pp.

The last time I've been there was around 1998, I've worked for a
radiologist and got invited from them. It was nice, but totally not my
world :) Maybe back then it wasn't that excessive, but I don't know.

Generally speaking, the "Deutsches Museum" is a all-time favourite, it ac>> also has some other locations where transport items or aircraft can be ac>> seen.

Yeah, that was a possibility for the day trip, but choosing between seeing various churches and general sightseeing and that, the other items won out. I think the struggle with the Deutsches Museum is that it requires a fairly long visit, because there's so much to see.

Probably, yes. I know some people who visit it more often, and they
plan ahead to only visit one part of the exhibition per visit.

As I'm writing to you, I have to notice how little I really know about ac>> the cities I've lived in, at least concerning "tourist tips" or
something like that.

I remember saying something along the lines of, "No, of course I haven't been there in a while -- I live here."

Tourist spots are for tourists, and it's oddly challenging to be a tourist in your own city, unless you have someone come to visit you to do stuff.

Yep :)

Although I have to admit that I don't live there since 2006 ;-)

Time for a tourist trip to Augsburg and Munich! :)

That might be an idea for the future :)

Though probably hits a bit differently when going back to a place where you once lived.

Oh yes. It's also almost always interesting to go back and notice the
changes in the areas...

Regards,
Anna

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Although I'm born there and thus a native bavarian, I also don't drink any beer at all :)

I oftentimes wonder what's wrong with me, given my heritage, that I'm not much of a beer drinker, and don't particularly enjoy potatoes.

And I think the Oktoberfest stuff is really heavily overrated.
It is absolutely overpriced and far too many people gather there, get drunk, harass other people, get in fights, vomit etc.pp.

Yeah, gathering lots of people with the intention that everyone gets drunk does seem to invite having what normally happens when one does that.

On the other hand, it's kind of fun to have an excuse to wear a Dirndl.

But I'm from the US, so it really is just a German-people costume, and specific German people at that.

Probably, yes. I know some people who visit it more often, and they
plan ahead to only visit one part of the exhibition per visit.

That seems like a less-overwhelming way to visit. Though probably more appropriate if buying some sort of annual pass and living closer by.

Oh yes. It's also almost always interesting to go back and notice the changes in the areas...

And, oftentimes, to notice what hasn't changed.

To be fair, the more historical a place, the less that changes.

E.g., I saw Jacobertor on a daily basis during my trip, and assuming the building doesn't have structural problems, I'd expect it to still be there in 50 years.

But random restaurants? Probably would be a _surprise_ if they were there in 50 years.

This reminds me of how I visited a cave as a child, and then 20 years later. And it was interesting to think about how much the stalactites and stalagmites grew during that time.

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Am 06.06.23 schrieb Adept@21:2/108 in FSX_LFE:

Hallo Adept,

And I think the Oktoberfest stuff is really heavily overrated.
It is absolutely overpriced and far too many people gather there, get
drunk, harass other people, get in fights, vomit etc.pp.

Yeah, gathering lots of people with the intention that everyone gets drunk does seem to invite having what normally happens when one does that.

Yep.
It's the world's biggest drug-celebrating party :)

On the other hand, it's kind of fun to have an excuse to wear a Dirndl.

Well, yes. Although that's not my style (but I have to admit neither
having one nor having worn one before) :)
Also AFAIK real Dirndl's, made from quality materials and complying
with bavarian heritage, can be quite expensive.
The same applies to Lederhosen (leather trousers)...

Oh yes. It's also almost always interesting to go back and notice the
changes in the areas...

And, oftentimes, to notice what hasn't changed.

Yep :)

To be fair, the more historical a place, the less that changes.

E.g., I saw Jacobertor on a daily basis during my trip, and assuming the building doesn't have structural problems, I'd expect it to still be there in 50 years.

Probably, yes. Also because it's a heritage building and thus will be
kept alive.

But random restaurants? Probably would be a _surprise_ if they were there
in 50 years.

Yes.
From ~2010 to 2019 I've been to Augsburg around 2x per year, there has
been a retro computing exhebition called RetroPulsiv there at the Fachhochschule.
Sometimes, I've also been to the city center and I always was puzzled
that the McDonalds is now where it is at K�nigsplatz.
In my memory, it always has been where the "Telekom Shop" is today and
not where a shoe shop used to be (2 houses to the left of the Telekom
Shop).
:)
Also I have to get used to the new tram/bus station K�nigsplatz, it
has been rebuilt 10 years ago :)

Regards,
Anna

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Yep.
It's the world's biggest drug-celebrating party :)

...I suppose it is! I was kinda wondering if there's a massive coffee or tea thing, but I'm guessing Oktoberfest is already fairly high in the "world's biggest gatherings".

Well, yes. Although that's not my style (but I have to admit neither having one nor having worn one before) :)

It can be a very flattering dress type, which is probably why I'm a fan, even if it's still not the sort of thing that I'd manage to be able to wear to work (presuming a non-cleavage-baring variety). Even though I'll certainly wear more formal things to work, just because, if I _have_ stuff, it's nice to _use_ the stuff.

Also AFAIK real Dirndl's, made from quality materials and complying
with bavarian heritage, can be quite expensive.

That... seems not at all surprising. Though it seems like it should've been at least _somewhat_ cheap on the lower end, historically, if most of the not-particularly-rich people were wearing them.

Mine came from a 2nd-hand store, if memory serves. Maybe some day I could justify getting a "real" one, but... it's hard to find an excuse to wear one, if you're not wearing it as a costume as part of working or joining the drug fest.

The same applies to Lederhosen (leather trousers)...

Yeah. I'm not sure how much my ex paid for a pair, though I think it was also a thrift store purchase.

But leather is generally not going to be cheap, regardless.

Probably, yes. Also because it's a heritage building and thus will be kept alive.

Hopefully!

From ~2010 to 2019 I've been to Augsburg around 2x per year, there has been a retro computing exhebition called RetroPulsiv there at the Fachhochschule.

That _does_ sound pretty cool.

Not sure if cool enough that I'd make a six-hour journey for it (I like BBSs and the demoscene, but, oddly, not so much for the old hardware), but it certainly sounds like it'd be neat.

Sometimes, I've also been to the city center and I always was puzzled that the McDonalds is now where it is at K�nigsplatz.
In my memory, it always has been where the "Telekom Shop" is today and not where a shoe shop used to be (2 houses to the left of the Telekom Shop).

Hah! "Why are you putting the stores in the wrong place!?!?!?"

And seeing K�nigsplatz... I also found it interesting how busy it was there, and if you go just a bit outside the area, suddenly it's a sleep neighborhood.

Which I found out when exploring a bit, and trying to see the insides of a church or two that was outside of the main touristy areas. But those wound up being closed, presumably because of it not being touristy enough.

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Beer is proof that God loves us...! :)


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Am 08.06.23 schrieb Darklord@21:3/171.0 in FSX_LFE:

Hallo Darklord,

Beer is proof that God loves us...! :)

I'm more happy about the fact that she has also created pizza ;-)

Regards,
Anna

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Am 07.06.23 schrieb Adept@21:2/108 in FSX_LFE:

Hallo Adept,

Also AFAIK real Dirndl's, made from quality materials and complying
with bavarian heritage, can be quite expensive.

That... seems not at all surprising. Though it seems like it should've been at least _somewhat_ cheap on the lower end, historically, if most of the not-particularly-rich people were wearing them.

Oh yes, right, I forgot about that aspect.

Mine came from a 2nd-hand store, if memory serves. Maybe some day I could justify getting a "real" one, but... it's hard to find an excuse to wear one, if you're not wearing it as a costume as part of working or joining
the drug fest.

;-) I think, that's correct. Although, at least in bavaria (I guess
more in the rural areas) it's possible to wear it regularly.
And during the Oktoberfest time ;-)

From ~2010 to 2019 I've been to Augsburg around 2x per year, there has ac>> been a retro computing exhebition called RetroPulsiv there at the
Fachhochschule.

That _does_ sound pretty cool.

Yes, it was! I have been to almost all events, I only missed one when
we moved from T�bingen to Karlsruhe and didn't have the time and
energy to drive to Augsburg.
Due to internal difficulties in the team behind the event, there only
will be further events when someone will take over the management.
This is a sad, but as I still don't participate in any events due to
COVID risks (and the risk of long-term effects).

I also hosted my own event, the "RetroThek" at the public library in Karlsruhe (where I'm working), which took place in 2018 and 2019.
Maybe one day I feel safe enough to host it again, but at least not
this year.

Not sure if cool enough that I'd make a six-hour journey for it (I like
BBSs and the demoscene, but, oddly, not so much for the old hardware), but it certainly sounds like it'd be neat.

Yes, it was neat. Many people together with their old computers met,
had fun, played games, repaired stuff and had some talks.
It felt like a little family who met twice a year, and some also came
to the RetroThek, so I met them a third time :)

I also found the HomeCon in Hanau (near Frankfurt) which takes place
several times a year, but I only have been there ~2-3 times.

Sometimes, I've also been to the city center and I always was puzzled
that the McDonalds is now where it is at K�nigsplatz.
In my memory, it always has been where the "Telekom Shop" is today and ac>> not where a shoe shop used to be (2 houses to the left of the Telekom
Shop).

Hah! "Why are you putting the stores in the wrong place!?!?!?"

;-)

And seeing K�nigsplatz... I also found it interesting how busy it was
there, and if you go just a bit outside the area, suddenly it's a sleep neighborhood.

Yep. AFAIR most people are active around the streets from Hauptbahnhof
to K�nigsplatz and from K�nigsplatz to Moritzplatz and Rathausplatz.
Outside of these main streets it always has been more quiet.

Which I found out when exploring a bit, and trying to see the insides of a church or two that was outside of the main touristy areas. But those wound up being closed, presumably because of it not being touristy enough.

Oh, bummer.

How long are you still in the area? And where are you going then? :)

Regards,
Anna

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On 09 Jun 23 11:38:00 acn wrote...

Am 08.06.23 schrieb Darklord@21:3/171.0 in FSX_LFE:

Hallo Darklord,

Beer is proof that God loves us...! :)

I'm more happy about the fact that she has also created pizza ;-)

Regards, Anna

To which Darklord replies...

And then combined the two - freakin' *genius* !!! :)



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On 08 Jun 23 09:49:08 Darklord wrote...

Beer is proof that God loves us...! :)

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Amen!

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On 09 Jun 23 22:19:44 Darklord wrote...

Beer is proof that God loves us...! :)

I'm more happy about the fact that she has also created pizza ;-)

Regards, Anna

To which Darklord replies...

And then combined the two - freakin' *genius* !!! :)

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Actually, I think that was Buddhist monks.

(Ok, so ... story behind that....)

Had a friend who was living in Beijing for awhile teaching English. When
he came back, he told us of this wonderous place where the foreigners
would go where it was all you could eat Pizza and all you could drink
beer for....


...... $5

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would go where it was all you could eat Pizza and all you could drink
beer for....
...... $5

Ummmm.. Ok, I'm gonna start checking for Beijing citizenship
requirements.

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On 13 Jun 23 10:02:32 Phigan wrote...

would go where it was all you could eat Pizza and all you could
drink beer for.... ...... $5

Ummmm.. Ok, I'm gonna start checking for Beijing citizenship
requirements.

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To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Actually at the time, the only thing needed was a college degree and proficiency in English (and by that, I mean the degree could be in
anything and you just had to be able to speak conversationally). It
wasn't even actually teaching "English" it was more of a "don't sound
like a foreigner so much" type of class. The students (many of whom he referred to as hot college chicks) were basically the families of businesspeople who were going to be coming over to this for
work and who already were proficient in English. So he basically
talked to college chicks all day.

But the $5 all you can eat beer and pizza!

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