...: fuck Putin. Fuck Russia.

Goddamn thugs.



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On 24 Feb 2022, Joacim Melin said the following...

...: fuck Putin. Fuck Russia.

Goddamn thugs.

Agreed.

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Joacim wrote (2022-02-24):

..: fuck Putin. Fuck Russia.

Goddamn thugs.

It's the beginning of Putin's downfall. There were many other fascists (and dictators) before him who never had the opportunity to die as a free man. I hope he is fucked sooner than later.

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On 24 Feb 2022, Joacim Melin said the following...

...: fuck Putin. Fuck Russia.

Goddamn thugs.

It is all so depressing... we are witnessing an event that hasn't happened in a generation. It's just unbelievable.

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On 24 Feb 2022, Joacim Melin said the following...

...: fuck Putin. Fuck Russia.

Goddamn thugs.

amen, brother...


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On 24 Feb 2022 at 05:59p, Nuke pondered and said...

It is all so depressing... we are witnessing an event that hasn't
happened in a generation. It's just unbelievable.

I agree, it's unbelievable and incredibly sad for the people of Ukraine.

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Nuke wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

It is all so depressing... we are witnessing an event that hasn't
happened in a generation. It's just unbelievable.

Maybe more than one. I am in my early 50's. My mother was born after WWII
was over. Some members of her generation were born after Korea, too.



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on *25.02.22* at *19:53:34* You wrote in area *FSX_GEN*
to *Nuke* about *"Re: All politics aside..."*.

Nuke wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

It is all so depressing... we are witnessing an event that hasn't
happened in a generation. It's just unbelievable.

Maybe more than one. I am in my early 50's. My mother was born after WWII
was over. Some members of her generation were born after Korea, too.

Iraq invaded Kuwait in August of 1990. Iraq had borrowed 14 Billion from Kuwait to finance their war against Iran, and coule not pay it back. Kuwait refused to reduce oil production, and Iraq saw that as an intentional move to drive the price of oil down and to keep Iraq on the hook. The invasion of Kuwait was met with international condemnation and brought immediate economic sanctions against Iraq by members of the UN Security Council (sound familiar???) UK prime minister Margaret Thatcher and US president George H. W. Bush deployed forces into Saudi Arabia, and urged other countries to send their own forces to the scene. An array of nations joined the coalition, forming the largest military alliance since World War II. Most of the coalition's military forces were from the US, with Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom and Egypt as leading contributors, in that order. Kuwait and Saudi Arabia paid around US$32 billion of the US$60 billion cost.

This did happen in our generations.

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Re: All politics aside...
By: Oli to Joacim Melin on Thu Feb 24 2022 08:12 pm

It's the beginning of Putin's downfall. There were many other fascists (and dictators) before him who never had the opportunity to die as a free man. I hope he is fucked sooner than later.

When exactly is "sooner than later"? :P

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Re: All politics aside...
By: Nightfox to Oli on Fri Feb 25 2022 02:23 pm

I don't mean to be blunt, but it looks to me like the rules of this echo are very pliable.

It is starting to look like the no-politics rule can be ignored as long as the rage of posters is directed towards targets that the administration loves to hate. Such notion does not cast a good light on FSXNet because it suggests rules are arbitrarily enforced.

Were I to post "Fuck Biden, and fuck America!", there would be an administrator pulling a banhammer over it (and rightly so). The fact hate against Russians does not cause such reaction is a little disturbing, specially because I have the suspicion that should a pro-russian pop out and defend the Russian stance, we would not have a debate: we would just kick the crap out of him with banhammers.

So I suggest that either the matter is dropped or the rules are changed to accomodate this reality.

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Re: All politics aside...
By: Arelor to All on Fri Feb 25 2022 05:49 pm

Were I to post "Fuck Biden, and fuck America!", there would be an administrator pulling a banhammer over it (and rightly so). The fact hate against Russians does not cause such reaction is a little disturbing, specially because I have the suspicion that should a pro-russian pop out and defend the Russian stance, we would not have a debate: we would just kick the crap out of him with banhammers.

So I suggest that either the matter is dropped or the rules are changed to accomodate this reality.

How about we have the rules enforced and ban all such political talk equally?

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I don't mean to be blunt, but it looks to me like the rules of this echo are very pliable.

It is starting to look like the no-politics rule can be ignored as long as the rage of posters is directed towards targets that the administration loves to hate. Such notion does not cast a good light on FSXNet because it suggests rules are arbitrarily enforced.

I think it's more that the current situation feels fairly cut and dry to westerners. And while I'm feeling like a warhawk at the moment, I agree that people are bending the rule a bit.

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I don't mean to be blunt, but it looks to me like the rules of this echo are very pliable.

They are not pliable.

They are just IGNORED by a few EXTREMELY ENTITLED PEOPLE who are poking around the edges of multiple conversations, putting the administrator of this network in the -- I have to believe, highly irritating -- position of having to come in and warn people off, repeatedly.

It should be enough that this rule exists and people follow it.

Where it isn't full-blown political monologues, it's these little sniping sarcastic comments "referencing a political concept" and people seeing if they can get away with it.

How about we all stop NOW. Just stop.

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Where it isn't full-blown political monologues, it's these little sniping sarcastic comments "referencing a political concept" and people seeing
if they can get away with it.

How about we all stop NOW. Just stop.

Are you saying you are providing a safe-haven for those who are apolitique :D

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Re: All politics aside...
By: Arelor to All on Fri Feb 25 2022 05:49 pm

I don't mean to be blunt, but it looks to me like the rules of this echo are very pliable.

It is starting to look like the no-politics rule can be ignored as long as the rage of posters is directed towards targets that the
administration loves to hate. Such notion does not cast a good light on FSXNet because it suggests rules are arbitrarily enforced.

Do you think that the "administrators" are here every waking second watching messages to jump on any that dont meet the rules?

Come on, I thought we were adults?

I'm sure the "administrators" have more important priorities and have empowered the adults here to honour not provoking any conversation that is known to end up as a disrespectful flame between the parties involved?

I think the rule, its intent and rational are pretty clear, no?

I dont understand why is this is a regular topic in itself...



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Arelor wrote (2022-02-25):

Re: All politics aside...
By: Nightfox to Oli on Fri Feb 25 2022 02:23 pm

I don't mean to be blunt, but it looks to me like the rules of this echo are very pliable.

It is starting to look like the no-politics rule can be ignored as long
as the rage of posters is directed towards targets that the
administration loves to hate. Such notion does not cast a good light on FSXNet because it suggests rules are arbitrarily enforced.

Were I to post "Fuck Biden, and fuck America!", there would be an administrator pulling a banhammer over it (and rightly so).

Exactly, because we know how this 'discussion' would end (or would never end).

The fact hate
against Russians does not cause such reaction is a little disturbing, specially because I have the suspicion that should a pro-russian pop out and defend the Russian stance, we would not have a debate: we would just kick the crap out of him with banhammers.

But did it happen?

What happened instead is a longer discussion (than the original one) about US presidents / politics, 'entitlement', the rules and the 'administration'.

So I suggest that either the matter is dropped or the rules are changed to accomodate this reality.

US national politics was the reason that brought us these rules. The rules are guidelines and not a constitution that can be enforced on the administration to take literally.

I perceive Avon's non-moderation much more appropriate than using this thread for politics about the politics rule.

It's a f*ing war started by one man because he feels entitled to kill people and invade a country. People and Europe and Russia still remember real war with millions of people dying and the cold war. We also remember Chernobyl blowing up. When I read about increased radiation levels in the Chernobyl area it reminds me that the war is not that far away.

Should we not talk about it, because everything about people is somehow political? Should we protect war and mad men by the no-politics rule?

I'm all for changing the rule to "no US politics". Or just de-list a few people and be able to have saner political discussions.

I also don't see why (virtually) kicking the crap out of anyone supporting warmonger Putin is a bad thing.

(IMHO) The essence of the rule is:
1. Keep your intolerant authoritarian harmful political ideas out of fsxnet.
2. Don't reply to such postings – let the thread dry out. Don't start a flame war, don't try to win the debate.

Unfortunately 2 does not always work. (FTNs have no moderation tools unlike a web forum. Both ways have their advantages and disadvantages).

So what was the (unpolitical) intention of you post?

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Re: politic rules (was: All politics aside...)
By: Oli to Arelor on Sat Feb 26 2022 11:58 am

So what was the (unpolitical) intention of you post?

Preventing the network to degrade as certain web forums I know off, in which people is free to break the rules as long as the moderators agree with their opinion.

Those places degenerate into echo chambers very quickly. If cars are off-topic, a friend of the moderator starts critizising Peugeots, and the moderator does nothing because he hates Peugeots himself, the end result is quite ugly. No debate can take place and nobody can learn a thing, because if anybody shows up saying Peugeots aren't that bad, he is risking a banhammer. The place turns into a useless space for 1984esque "two minutes of hate" in which the only goal is for people who share a certain opinion to circle-jerk.

The thread is more than 24 hours old already so I totally expect it to have been noticed.



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(IMHO) The essence of the rule is:
1. Keep your intolerant authoritarian harmful political ideas out of fsxnet.

The rule is no politics or religion. Period.

The rest of your post is exactly the reason why, and the hilarious irony of the quote above is the exclamation point.


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Yea, this is crazy. I dont get it.

Nuke wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

It is all so depressing... we are witnessing an event that hasn't
happened in a generation. It's just unbelievable.

Maybe more than one. I am in my early 50's. My mother was born after WWII was over. Some members of her generation were born after Korea, too.

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Chad Adams wrote to Blue White <=-

Yea, this is crazy. I dont get it.

Me, either. Some have speculated that Putin, being former KGB, wants to reunite the former USSR. Some are starting to speculate that he may have
lost his marbles. Not sure, really.




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Re: Re: All politics aside...
By: Blue White to Chad Adams on Fri Mar 04 2022 02:56 pm

Yea, this is crazy. I dont get it.

Me, either. Some have speculated that Putin, being former KGB, wants to reunite the former USSR. Some are starting to speculate that he may have lost his marbles. Not sure, really.

I've wanted to research how Putin has been president of Russia for so long. I remember Putin being first elected in 1999 (I think), and then in the mid-2000s, Dmitry Medvedev(sp?) was president of Russia for a few years, and then Putin came back into power.

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Re: Re: All politics aside...
By: Blue White to Chad Adams on Fri Mar 04 2022 02:56 pm

Chad Adams wrote to Blue White <=-

Yea, this is crazy. I dont get it.

Me, either. Some have speculated that Putin, being former KGB, wants to reunite the former USSR. Some are starting to speculate that he may have lost his marbles. Not sure, really.

Most likely he is actually pursuing the goals he has stated and declared as conditions for the end of hostilities.

Rebuilding the URSS seems more like a long term utopian goal.

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//Hello Blue,//

on *04.03.22* at *19:56:55* You wrote in area *FSX_GEN*
to *Chad Adams* about *"Re: All politics aside..."*.

Chad Adams wrote to Blue White <=-

Yea, this is crazy. I dont get it.

Me, either. Some have speculated that Putin, being former KGB, wants to reunite the former USSR. Some are starting to speculate that he may have lost his marbles. Not sure, really.

I just wonder why the mighty Russian military hasn't displayed their shock and awe potential? They have technology they aren't using.

Why are they holding back.



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Most likely he is actually pursuing the goals he has stated and declared as conditions for the end of hostilities.

Rebuilding the URSS seems more like a long term utopian goal.

I find this a very good analysis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNnq8gMAE-8s

I won't discuss further because this is not the place for politics.

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I just wonder why the mighty Russian military hasn't displayed their
shock and awe potential? They have technology they aren't using.

Why are they holding back.

Probably because they don't want to maximise death and destruction.

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Arelor wrote to Blue White <=-

Me, either. Some have speculated that Putin, being former KGB, wants to reunite the former USSR. Some are starting to speculate that he may have lost his marbles. Not sure, really.

Most likely he is actually pursuing the goals he has stated and
declared as conditions for the end of hostilities.

I would agree but some of his conditions don't make sense, like the "denazification" of the Ukraine? Last I checked, their President is
Jewish. Sounds like Putin has turned back the clock to the WWII period
where the Ukraine was under control of Germany.

That sounds like a condition that cannot be met unless Ukraine hands
themselves over to Russia.


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Re: Re: All politics aside...
By: Arelor to Blue White on Fri Mar 04 2022 04:37 pm

Rebuilding the URSS seems more like a long term utopian goal.

I think you mean USSR?

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Hello Arelor!

** On Friday 04.03.22 - 16:37, Arelor wrote to Blue White:

Me, either. Some have speculated that Putin, being former KGB, wants to
reunite the former USSR. Some are starting to speculate that he may have
lost his marbles. Not sure, really.

Most likely he is actually pursuing the goals he has stated and declared
as conditions for the end of hostilities.

A former prez. to Latvia, Vaira Vike-Freiberga, stated that
"Putin is a narcissist , psychopath, egomaniac and unhinged",
all in one sentence. Trained as a psychologist, she is probably
actually qualified to say that. She stated that he does not
care for the well-being of other people.

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Arelor wrote to All <=-

So I suggest that either the matter is dropped or the rules are changed
to accomodate this reality.

I'll second that - I'm not pro Russia, but I'm not convinced that Ukraine is any 'better.'




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I'll second that - I'm not pro Russia, but I'm not convinced that
Ukraine is
any 'better.'

Both nations are corrupt, but I wish Ukraine could live in peace so we can have stable prices for stuff like gasoline and grains.


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Utopian Galt wrote to Chuck Finley <=-

BY: Chuck Finley(21:2/164)

I'll second that - I'm not pro Russia, but I'm not convinced that
Ukraine is
any 'better.'

Both nations are corrupt, but I wish Ukraine could live in peace so we
can have stable prices for stuff like gasoline and grains.

Yeah, I get that - just saying that Ukraine isn't a smaller version of
America. :-)




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