• Re: The First Internet Message

    From Avon@21:1/101 to tenser on Sun Jan 23 16:18:41 2022
    On 15 Jan 2022 at 02:35a, tenser pondered and said...

    Whoa whoa whoa whoa.... They wrote that? That's not quite right;
    the idea of "packet" switching predates Kleinrock's work, and he's
    most famous for the work he's done on queuing theory, which has had
    an enormous impact. He was certainly one of the central players in
    the early ARPANet, and he should be recognized and celebrated, but
    shame on UCLA for not recognizing him properly. I'll bet he was horrified.

    No it seemed he was fine with the introduction and if you watch it I think the host repeats some of the text above, I can only assume the museum staff were behind what was written as that's where I got it from :)

    A wonderful, easily accessible history of the early ARPANet and
    Internet is, "Where Wizards Stay Up Late: The Origins of the Internet"
    by Katie Hafner and Matthew Lyon. I can't recommend it enough.
    Also, if folks haven't seen it, I highly recommend the documentary "Computer Networks: The Heralds of Resource Sharing". It's
    amazingly prescient; the folks working on the ARPANET in the late
    1960s and early 1970s really envisioned basically what the Internet
    has become, including cloud computing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjZ7ktIlSM0

    Thank you, I'll certainly have a look for these. I enjoy the history and the technical and social details behind it all.

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  • From tenser@21:1/101 to Avon on Mon Jan 24 05:48:56 2022
    On 23 Jan 2022 at 04:18p, Avon pondered and said...

    On 15 Jan 2022 at 02:35a, tenser pondered and said...

    Whoa whoa whoa whoa.... They wrote that? That's not quite right; the idea of "packet" switching predates Kleinrock's work, and he's most famous for the work he's done on queuing theory, which has had an enormous impact. He was certainly one of the central players in the early ARPANet, and he should be recognized and celebrated, but shame on UCLA for not recognizing him properly. I'll bet he was horrified.

    No it seemed he was fine with the introduction and if you watch it I
    think the host repeats some of the text above, I can only assume the museum staff were behind what was written as that's where I got it from
    :)

    I imagine he'd be too gracious to correct them on the spot. :-)

    He was certainly there; don't get me wrong. But the concept
    of packet switching came from a group of folks. Paul Baran
    (in the US) and Donald Davies (in the UK) are arguably more
    central to the concept.

    The IMP at Kleinrock's lab at UCLA connected to the SRI IMP
    was the first permanent ARPANET link, of course. It's hard
    to overstate Kleinrock's role, but to call him the inventor
    of packet switching is definitely a stretch.

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