• WinPoint Version 402.1

    From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to All on Thu Mar 3 20:31:22 2022
    Hello,

    in addition to *IPv6 support*, some People may also like the *new "compact" message list layout* that comes up when you set the message pane to be on the right (rather than bottom) and make the message list small enough (about less than one third of the screen) ...

    Regards,
    Tim

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    From: *Tim Schattkowsky(2:240/1120.29)*
    To: *Rinaldo Visscher*
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    Hello Rinaldo,

    on 02.03.22 at 7:50:03 You wrote in Area WINPOINT
    to Tim Schattkowsky about "IPv6 support".

    I checked. Indeed there is a single point where the software processes
    the adress that is not working for IPv6. Basically pretty easy to fix,
    ONCE I find or build the necessary header files to use WinSock2 under
    Delphi 2007 ...
    MvdV> That is good news. :)
    Works now.
    When can I test it?

    It is available as a binary only (including language files - just in case) from

    http://winpoint.org/wpoint_402_1.zip

    Just drop the files into the installation directory. I did not create an installer because I have back problems since yesterday. Probably I have been sitting for too long ...

    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From Martin Foster@2:280/464.27 to Tim Schattkowsky on Fri Mar 4 13:33:28 2022
    Hello Tim!

    *** Thursday 03.03.22 at 19:31:22, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to All:

    in addition to IPv6 support,

    For Fido purposes, what benefits does ipv6 have over ipv4 ?

    [snip]
    because I have back problems since yesterday. Probably I have
    been sitting for too long ...

    Ouch!
    You have my sympathy.
    I've had back trouble for the last 30+ years :-((

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to Martin Foster on Fri Mar 4 15:05:14 2022
    //Hello Martin,//

    on *04.03.22* at *13:33:28* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
    to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"WinPoint Version 402.1"*.

    Hello Tim!

    *** Thursday 03.03.22 at 19:31:22, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to All:

    in addition to IPv6 support,

    For Fido purposes, what benefits does ipv6 have over ipv4 ?

    It enables direct connection to nodes that would have been behing NAT using IPv4. In particular, some providers today already give customers no longer own IPv4 addresses, but share addresses among customers using NAT like the routers normally do at the customers home. Thus, many internet users today cannot host any kind of IPv4 server anymore.

    [snip]
    because I have back problems since yesterday. Probably I have been
    sitting for too long ...

    Ouch!
    You have my sympathy.
    I've had back trouble for the last 30+ years :-((

    :( Comes and goes. Better today, but I am still limiting my activities ...

    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to Tim Schattkowsky on Fri Mar 4 16:47:23 2022
    :( Comes and goes. Better today, but I am still limiting my
    activities ...

    Please limit these activities. You have already done *a lot* regarding Winpoint.
    Don't hurry, health comes first.

    Carlos
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  • From Martin Foster@2:280/464.27 to Tim Schattkowsky on Sat Mar 5 09:13:53 2022
    Hello Tim!

    *** Thursday 03.03.22 at 19:31:22, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to All:

    in addition to IPv6 support, some People may also like the new "compact" message list layout that comes up when you set the message pane to be on the right (rather than bottom) and make the message list small enough (about less than one third of the screen) ...

    Yes, the new "compact" message list layout is very nice and I particularly like that messages *from* me are //italicised// and messages *to* me are in blue. After a bit of fiddling around with the width of the folder tree and the message list, I managed to get quoted text to format correctly in the message reader. Yes, love it, nice job! :-))

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.59 to Martin Foster on Sat Mar 5 09:11:59 2022
    Hello Martin,

    On Saturday 05.03.22, you wrote to Tim Schattkowsky:

    =======variables test========
    % sendday = Saturday: Original day of week
    % tossday = Saturday: Arrivel [sic] day of week
    % storeday = Saturday: Day of week
    =====================

    ...and I
    particularly like that messages from me are italicised and messages to me are in blue. [...]

    THAT sounds interesting. I may like to upgrade to that one.


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  • From Martin Foster@2:280/464.27 to August Abolins on Sun Mar 6 09:11:25 2022
    Hello August!

    *** Saturday 05.03.22 at 14:11:59, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    ...and I
    particularly like that messages from me are italicised and messages to
    me are in blue. [...]

    THAT sounds interesting. I may like to upgrade to that one.

    Please do, it just gets better and better and better :-)

    However, I've discovered that messages written by me using WinPoint *ARE*, in fact, //italicised// in the message list, whereas messages written by me using OpenXP are *NOT* //italicised// in the message list. I'm now left wondering if this is by design or whether it's a bug ??

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to Martin Foster on Sun Mar 6 13:32:56 2022
    //Hello Martin,//

    on *06.03.22* at *9:11:25* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
    to *August Abolins* about *"WinPoint Version 402.1"*.

    However, I've discovered that messages written by me using WinPoint ARE, in fact, italicised in the message list, whereas messages written by me using OpenXP are NOT italicised in the message list. I'm now left wondering if this is by design or whether it's a bug ??

    Its by design. WP "knows", which messages have been created by WP (as opposed to beeing imported by the tosser).

    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Martin Foster on Sun Mar 6 08:10:00 2022
    Hello Martin Foster!

    ** On Sunday 06.03.22 - 09:11, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    However, I've discovered that messages written by me using WinPoint
    *ARE*, in fact, //italicised// in the message list, whereas messages written by me using OpenXP are *NOT* //italicised// in the message list. I'm now left wondering if this is by design or whether it's a bug ??

    Interesting. Winpoint seems to deviate from the formatting
    "codes". Instead of a single / around a word to italicise it,
    it uses two /'s.

    With two /'s, the italics fails in OpenXP as well as in
    Thunderbird.


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    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: My Westcoast Point (1:153/757.21)
  • From Martin Foster@2:280/464.27 to Tim Schattkowsky on Mon Mar 7 11:42:19 2022
    Hello Tim!

    *** Sunday 06.03.22 at 12:32:56, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to Martin Foster:

    However, I've discovered that messages written by me using WinPoint ARE,
    in fact, italicised in the message list, whereas messages written by me
    using OpenXP are NOT italicised in the message list. I'm now left
    wondering if this is by design or whether it's a bug ??

    Its by design. WP "knows", which messages have been created by WP (as opposed to beeing imported by the tosser).

    That explains it very nicely, thanks.

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From Martin Foster@2:280/464.27 to August Abolins on Mon Mar 7 11:46:42 2022
    Hello August!

    *** Sunday 06.03.22 at 13:10:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    However, I've discovered that messages written by me using WinPoint ARE,
    in fact, italicised in the message list, whereas messages written by me
    using OpenXP are NOT italicised in the message list. I'm now left
    wondering if this is by design or whether it's a bug ??

    Interesting. Winpoint seems to deviate from the formatting
    "codes". Instead of a single / around a word to italicise it,
    it uses two /'s.

    Hmmmm, well, there must be a valid reason for that but what, I really don't know.

    With two /'s, the italics fails in OpenXP as well as in Thunderbird.

    I can't really comment about Thunderbird but AFAIK, OpenXP doesn't support italic text.

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Martin Foster on Mon Mar 7 10:03:00 2022
    Hello Martin Foster!

    ** On Monday 07.03.22 - 11:46, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    Hello August!

    *** Sunday 06.03.22 at 13:10:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    With two /'s, the italics fails in OpenXP as well as in Thunderbird.

    I can't really comment about Thunderbird but AFAIK, OpenXP doesn't
    support italic text.

    wrt OpenXP, correct.. but it tries to "highlight" it, which is
    better than nothing.

    wrt Thunderbird, it would be good to be consistent and hence
    "compatible" across the different readers.

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    * Origin: My Westcoast Point (1:153/757.21)
  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to Martin Foster on Mon Mar 7 16:29:31 2022
    //Hello Martin,//

    on *07.03.2022* at *11:46:42* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
    to *August Abolins* about *"WinPoint Version 402.1"*.

    Hello August!

    *** Sunday 06.03.22 at 13:10:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    However, I've discovered that messages written by me using WinPoint
    ARE, in fact, italicised in the message list, whereas messages written
    by me using OpenXP are NOT italicised in the message list. I'm now left
    wondering if this is by design or whether it's a bug ??

    Interesting. Winpoint seems to deviate from the formatting
    "codes". Instead of a single / around a word to italicise it,
    it uses two /'s.

    Hmmmm, well, there must be a valid reason for that but what, I really don't know.

    With two /'s, the italics fails in OpenXP as well as in Thunderbird.

    I can't really comment about Thunderbird but AFAIK, OpenXP doesn't
    support italic text.

    As a matter of fact, I do not recall anymore why it is like that ... but it has been for 20 years now without complaint. That may be related to the fact, that italics have been rarely used in the past as text displays had no appropriate way to render them. Still today, italics rendering for monospaced fonts has quality issues (as can be seen in WP). I can only recall, that for example Spot on the Amiga (which I used before moving to OS/2 and before writing WP) was indeed using a single slash, but nobody used it.

    I can only speculate, that back in the days I was aware and of the single slash practice and had whatever reason to deviate from it. Today my first reflex would be indeed to say, the single slash makes more sense.

    However, interestingly I NEVER noticed anyone using the /single/ slash in a message as that would stand out in WPs display. I do see WP users using the WP-style from time to time, but of course I am to blame for that.

    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to Martin Foster on Mon Mar 7 16:31:26 2022
    //Hello Martin,//

    on *07.03.2022* at *15:29:31* *Tim Schattkowsky* wrote in area *WINPOINT*
    to *you* about *"Re: WinPoint Version 402.1"*:

    Hello Martin,

    on 07.03.2022 at 11:46:42 You wrote in Area WINPOINT to August Abolins about "WinPoint Version 402.1".

    Hello August!

    *** Sunday 06.03.22 at 13:10:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    However, I've discovered that messages written by me using WinPoint
    ARE, in fact, italicised in the message list, whereas messages written
    by me using OpenXP are NOT italicised in the message list. I'm now
    left wondering if this is by design or whether it's a bug ??

    Interesting. Winpoint seems to deviate from the formatting
    "codes". Instead of a single / around a word to italicise it,
    it uses two /'s.

    Hmmmm, well, there must be a valid reason for that but what, I really
    don't know.

    With two /'s, the italics fails in OpenXP as well as in Thunderbird.

    I can't really comment about Thunderbird but AFAIK, OpenXP doesn't
    support italic text.

    As a matter of fact, I do not recall anymore why it is like that ... but it has been for 20 years now without complaint. That may be related to
    the fact, that italics have been rarely used in the past as text displays had no appropriate way to render them. Still today, italics rendering for monospaced fonts has quality issues (as can be seen in WP). I can only recall, that for example Spot on the Amiga (which I used before moving to OS/2 and before writing WP) was indeed using a single slash, but nobody used it.

    I can only speculate, that back in the days I was aware and of the single slash practice and had whatever reason to deviate from it. Today my first reflex would be indeed to say, the single slash makes more sense.

    However, interestingly I NEVER noticed anyone using the single slash in a message as that would stand out in WPs display. I do see WP users using the WP-style from time to time, but of course I am to blame for that.

    I might add, that having more than one character as the indicator indeed complicates the involved code a lot, so I really think I did do that for a reason. Still, that reason might be no longer valid.

    Regards,
    Tim
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  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to All on Mon Mar 7 16:35:15 2022
    //Hello August,//

    on *06.03.2022* at *13:10:00* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
    to *Martin Foster* about *"WinPoint Version 402.1"*.

    Interesting. Winpoint seems to deviate from the formatting
    "codes". Instead of a single / around a word to italicise it,
    it uses two /'s.

    I just double checked: WP supports BOTH.

    This uses /one/ slash.
    This uses //two// slashes.


    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to Martin Foster on Mon Mar 7 16:37:00 2022
    //Hello Martin,//

    on *07.03.2022* at *15:29:31* *Tim Schattkowsky* wrote in area *WINPOINT*
    to *you* about *"Re: WinPoint Version 402.1"*:

    However, interestingly I NEVER noticed anyone using the single slash in a message as that would stand out in WPs display. I do see WP users using the WP-style from time to time, but of course I am to blame for that.

    I could'nt notice that because WP displays both correctly as explained in the other message.

    Regards,
    Tim
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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Tim Schattkowsky on Mon Mar 7 11:03:00 2022
    Hello Tim Schattkowsky!

    ** On Monday 07.03.22 - 16:35, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to All:

    //Hello August,//

    on *06.03.2022* at *13:10:00* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
    to *Martin Foster* about *"WinPoint Version 402.1"*.

    Interesting. Winpoint seems to deviate from the formatting
    "codes". Instead of a single / around a word to italicise it,
    it uses two /'s.

    I just double checked: WP supports BOTH.

    This uses /one/ slash.
    This uses //two// slashes.


    Hmm... This is the way that messsage looked here:

    https://susepaste.org/14106387

    Not sure why even the single-slash did not render. :( Maybe I
    don't have a setting defined for it.


    And here is the TB version:

    https://susepaste.org/87701307

    Even the the fixed-font setting tries to render the italics
    just fine! But the // goes ignored.




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    ../|ug

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    * Origin: My Westcoast Point (1:153/757.21)
  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to August Abolins on Mon Mar 7 20:47:29 2022
    //Hello August,//

    on *07.03.22* at *16:03:00* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
    to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"two // or not two //"*.

    Hmm... This is the way that messsage looked here:

    https://susepaste.org/14106387

    Not sure why even the single-slash did not render. :( Maybe I
    don't have a setting defined for it.


    And here is the TB version:

    https://susepaste.org/87701307

    Even the the fixed-font setting tries to render the italics
    just fine! But the // goes ignored.

    Meets my expectations. But what's the point?

    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Tim Schattkowsky on Mon Mar 7 15:46:00 2022
    Hello Tim Schattkowsky!

    ** On Monday 07.03.22 - 20:47, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to August Abolins:

    Even the the fixed-font setting tries to render the italics
    just fine! But the // goes ignored.

    Meets my expectations. But what's the point?

    Not everyone uses *just* Winpoint? ;)
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: My Westcoast Point (1:153/757.21)
  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to August Abolins on Mon Mar 7 22:33:30 2022
    //Hello August,//

    on *07.03.22* at *20:46:00* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
    to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"two // or not two //"*.

    Hello Tim Schattkowsky!

    ** On Monday 07.03.22 - 20:47, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to August Abolins:

    Even the the fixed-font setting tries to render the italics
    just fine! But the // goes ignored.

    Meets my expectations. But what's the point?

    Not everyone uses just Winpoint? ;)

    True. But what do you want? Fix something, that is not broken and kill compatibility with 26 years of WinPoint messages?

    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Tim Schattkowsky on Tue Mar 8 07:10:04 2022

    On 2022 Mar 07 16:29:30, you wrote to Martin Foster:

    However, interestingly I NEVER noticed anyone using the /single/ slash in a
    message as that would stand out in WPs display. I do see WP users using the
    WP-style from time to time, but of course I am to blame for that.

    FWIW: golded and other FTN editors recognize the following and generally indicate the attention by a color change of the wrapped text...

    *bold*
    /italic/
    _underline_

    in my setup, the above all appear as dark cyan while quoted text is bright cyan and the text i type is dark white... all on a black background... the key factor is that the color change attracts one's eyes to the emphasis on the words wrapped with the format indicator...

    )\/(ark

    "The soul of a small kitten in the body of a mighty dragon. Look on my majesty, ye mighty, and despair! Or bring me catnip. Your choice. Oooh, a shiny thing!"
    ... Spring? I dunno, I burned all the calendars to ward off frostbite.
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  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to mark lewis on Tue Mar 8 20:25:39 2022
    //Hello mark,//

    on *08.03.22* at *12:10:04* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
    to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"WinPoint Version 402.1"*.


    On 2022 Mar 07 16:29:30, you wrote to Martin Foster:

    However, interestingly I NEVER noticed anyone using the single slash in
    a message as that would stand out in WPs display. I do see WP users
    using the WP-style from time to time, but of course I am to blame for
    that.

    FWIW: golded and other FTN editors recognize the following and generally indicate the attention by a color change of the wrapped text...

    bold
    italic
    underline

    in my setup, the above all appear as dark cyan while quoted text is
    bright cyan and the text i type is dark white... all on a black background... the key factor is that the color change attracts one's eyes to the emphasis on the words wrapped with the format indicator...

    Good to know, but I still don't get what this discussion is about.

    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.59 to mark lewis on Tue Mar 8 19:09:32 2022
    Hello mark,

    On Tuesday 08.03.22, you wrote to Tim Schattkowsky:

    FWIW: golded and other FTN editors recognize the following and generally indicate the attention by a color change of the wrapped text...

    bold
    italic
    underline


    Interesting. When Winpoint quotes your marked up text, the markup disappears.


    ../|ug
    --- WinPoint 398.2
    * Origin: Please write your complaint in this box [ ] - Legibly (2:221/1.59)
  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Martin Foster on Tue Mar 8 20:07:00 2022
    Hello Martin!

    ** On Monday 07.03.22 - 11:46, you wrote to me:

    With two /'s, the italics fails in OpenXP as well as in Thunderbird.

    I can't really comment about Thunderbird but AFAIK, OpenXP doesn't
    support italic text.

    wrt OpenXP, true enough. I thought there *was* a colour setting
    in config/display when rendering italic.


    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: My Westcoast Point (1:153/757.21)
  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to August Abolins on Wed Mar 9 12:50:11 2022
    //Hello August,//

    on *09.03.22* at *0:09:32* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
    to *mark lewis* about *"* / and _ markup disappears on a quoted message."*.

    Hello mark,

    On Tuesday 08.03.22, you wrote to Tim Schattkowsky:

    FWIW: golded and other FTN editors recognize the following and generally
    indicate the attention by a color change of the wrapped text...

    bold
    italic
    underline


    Interesting. When Winpoint quotes your marked up text, the markup disappears.

    Jep, thats a known limitation. This is caused by the fact that the style information goes through a series of transformation steps during display that makes it hard to recover the original style information from the displayed text. Unfortunately, the existing implementation however quotes the displayed text rather than the original text. Repairing this takes more time than one would. It's on the list, but other things have higher prio.

    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From Martin Foster@2:280/464.27 to August Abolins on Thu Mar 10 08:45:29 2022
    Hello August!

    *** Wednesday 09.03.22 at 1:07:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    With two /'s, the italics fails in OpenXP as well as in Thunderbird.

    I can't really comment about Thunderbird but AFAIK, OpenXP doesn't
    support italic text.

    wrt OpenXP, true enough. I thought there was a colour setting in config/display when rendering italic.

    Replied in POINTS

    Regards,
    Martin

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