• Echo Rules

    From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to All on Sat Mar 5 11:07:37 2022
    The Fidonet WIN95 Echo Rules
    Updated 14 February 2022

    Moderator: Sean Dennis (1:18/200 or sysop@outpostbbs.net)

    Despite the echotag, this echo is for the discussion and support of
    the Microsoft Windows operating system. All versions of Windows are
    on-topic here as are any utilities and programs for Windows though
    Windows is the main topic.

    By your participation in this echo, you agree to the following rules:

    * Real names are required to be used in this echo. No aliases. If
    your BBS software will not allow you to toggle between real name and
    alias in the message header, sign your message with your full real
    name.

    * Be friendly. Agree to disagree. Don't flame or argue in this echo.
    If you must do so, please take it to netmail or somewhere else.

    * Do not discuss anything illegal in this echo.

    * All messages must be in English. You may post a message in your
    native language as long as an English translation accompanies the
    native post in the same message.

    * No blatently off-topic posts, such as BBS ads, "test" messages,
    messages about politics or religion, et cetera. The moderator
    reserves the right to make the final decision if a message is on-
    or off-topic.

    * Please don't gate this echo to USENET, a mailing list, another BBS
    mail network, an online Fidonet mail archive, or anything else
    without the moderator's express and written permission. This is a
    Fidonet echo and needs to stay in Fidonet.

    * This echo does not recognize any local or regional echomail policy,
    such as EP1, and originates from zone 1.

    * Any traffic concerning Fidonet matters, such as alleged "echo
    hijackings", complaints about other echoes and their moderators, or
    any traffic construed as such by the moderators is OFF-TOPIC. Please
    take such discussion to netmail or another appropriate echo.

    * The moderator has the final say in dealing with problems in the
    echo. If you have something to say about a moderator's action,
    please contact him via netmail (preferred) or email.

    * This is a living document and will be adjusted as needed.

    * This document will be posted on the 1st and 15th of each month.

    * Please don't hesitate to contact the moderator with any questions
    about this document.

    Thank you for your participation in WIN95!

    -- Sean Dennis
    WIN95 Moderator

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Sean Dennis on Sat Mar 5 18:07:38 2022
    Hi Sean,

    On 2022-03-05 11:07:37, you wrote to All:

    Moderator: Sean Dennis (1:18/200 or sysop@outpostbbs.net)

    You're not the moderator, please go away!


    Bye, Wilfred.

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    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Mar 5 12:37:20 2022
    Hello Wilfred,

    05 Mar 22 18:07, you wrote to me:

    You're not the moderator, please go away!

    I am the moderator whether you like it or not.

    It is not my problem that you are too obtuse and have the inability to respect that.

    Please take your bleating somewhere else. I am simply going to ignore your whining until you have something positive to contribute.

    It is not my fault you hate me because I am not like you and this echo and its participants are not going to suffer listening to you pontificate like you own Fidonet.

    Now you leave, Wilfred, and quit making an ass out of yourself in this echo. I will not stand for it.

    -- Sean
    WIN95 Moderator

    ... That does not compute.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Sean Dennis on Sat Mar 5 18:53:45 2022
    Hi Sean,

    On 2022-03-05 12:37:20, you wrote to me:

    You're not the moderator, please go away!

    I am the moderator whether you like it or not.

    You're not the moderator just because you say so. Please go away.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Mar 5 15:58:20 2022
    Hello Wilfred,

    05 Mar 22 18:53, you wrote to me:

    You're not the moderator just because you say so. Please go away.

    "Any traffic concerning Fidonet matters, such as alleged "echo
    hijackings", complaints about other echoes and their moderators, or
    any traffic construed as such by the moderators is OFF-TOPIC. Please
    take such discussion to netmail or another appropriate echo."

    First warning, buddy.

    I know you understand English enough to quit being a stupid bastard everywhere you appear.

    -- Sean
    WIN95 Moderator

    ... Plastic Surgery Anonymous tonight: hope we don't see any new faces.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Sean Dennis on Sat Mar 5 22:17:55 2022
    Hi Sean,

    On 2022-03-05 15:58:20, you wrote to me:

    You're not the moderator just because you say so. Please go away.

    "Any traffic concerning Fidonet matters, such as alleged "echo
    hijackings", complaints about other echoes and their moderators, or
    any traffic construed as such by the moderators is OFF-TOPIC. Please
    take such discussion to netmail or another appropriate echo."

    First warning, buddy.

    Your funny, and not the moderator.

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Mar 5 19:22:30 2022
    Hello Wilfred,

    05 Mar 22 22:17, you wrote to me:

    Your funny, and not the moderator.

    Second warning.

    Third warning I'll file a complaint with Ward.

    It's "you're", not "your", and there's no comma between "funny" and "and". I can definitely tell English is your second language.

    -- Sean
    WIN95 Moderator

    ... "Never have more children than you have car windows." - Erma Bombeck
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Sean Dennis on Sun Mar 6 06:17:26 2022
    Third warning I'll file a complaint with Ward.

    LOL! Good luck with that.

    It's "you're", not "your",

    OMG! Are you actually saying that US English speaking people never make that mistake?

    and there's no comma between "funny" and "and".

    Yes there is. It divides two parts of the sentence. "I am, you are" is the proper way.

    I can definitely tell English is your second language.

    We can all tell that US English is your *only* language. US English is infamous for not knowing how to handle a comma correctly.

    I remember a famous quote from some 15 years ago, in, I think, the New York Times:

    "The best way to make sense of the Second Amendment is to take away
    all the commas (which, I know, means that only outlaws will have
    commas)."




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  • From Karel Kral@2:423/39 to Sean Dennis on Sun Mar 6 08:32:00 2022
    Hello Sean!

    05 Mar 22 19:22, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

    Your funny, and not the moderator.
    Second warning.

    Third warning I'll file a complaint with Ward.

    Do you have any relation with Russia?

    I would expect some questionaire like: do we need moderator (yes/no) and then some candidate list (because you are nice example of real need of moderator). And then we probably will have moderator here.

    Karel

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Sean Dennis on Sun Mar 6 12:28:27 2022
    Hi Sean,

    On 2022-03-05 19:22:30, you wrote to me:

    Your funny, and not the moderator.

    Second warning.

    I'm warning you: Stop pretending to be the moderator of this area, you are not!

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sun Mar 6 10:11:46 2022

    On 2022 Mar 06 12:28:26, you wrote to Sean Dennis:

    Your funny, and not the moderator.

    Second warning.

    I'm warning you: Stop pretending to be the moderator of this area, you are not!

    and what are YOU going to do about it, wilfred? you're not shit and certainly you are not the moderator, either... you can't do a damned thing about it, really... shut up and sit down... or better yet, go back to your nodelist-policing crap that no one cares about... geezus...

    )\/(ark

    "The soul of a small kitten in the body of a mighty dragon. Look on my majesty, ye mighty, and despair! Or bring me catnip. Your choice. Oooh, a shiny thing!"
    ... "I love sluts. Sluts rock." - Coop
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Karel Kral on Mon Mar 7 19:28:23 2022
    Karel Kral wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Do you have any relation with Russia?

    No, why? You afraid they're gonna turn you into Czechoslovakia again with
    how Russia's invading sovereign states?

    If that was an attempt to be funny, try again.

    -- Sean

    ... Open mouth, insert foot, echo internationally.
    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Björn Felten on Mon Mar 7 20:42:03 2022
    Bjrn Felten wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    LOL! Good luck with that.

    I have been talking to Ward about you and Winfred for a while now.
    Surprised? Ward and I have been at each other for decades but you know, he
    has given me some good advice and things to think about.

    It's disappointing to see how you act. When I first joined Fidonet, I
    really looked up to you as a beginning Pascal programmer for all of your
    code in SWAG (of which I still host a mirror on my website). Then your behavior towards others, and eventually me, made me lose all respect for
    you. I felt badly for you when your wife passed away but instead, your
    actions towards me have tempted me to use that against you in spite.

    As I've grown older and my own health is failing fast--I am now permanently physically disabled and cannot work; I cannot walk without wearing a pair of
    20 pound prosthetic boots and a cane and most of the time I have to use a
    power scooter to get around due to a rare side effect of type 2 diabetes and
    I also have a blood clot in my right leg that threatens to move at any time
    and could possibly kill me--I've tried to turn the other cheek with you and others in here. But with your continued negative behavior, all it wants to make me do is return it right back to you.

    I think both you and Wilfred could be valuable assets to Fidonet still even
    if we disagree on things.

    However, it seems that neither of you care to do so and consider me a bad person simply because I am keeping echoes alive. Why you focus on me when there's others in Zone 1 doing the same thing, I'll never know.

    Remember, if it wasn't for behavior like yours and Winfred, I'd have no
    reason to post echo rules.

    So think what you want about me but I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. I still care about Fidonet, whether you agree with me or not.

    As I said to Wilfred, I was considering backing off being a "moderator" in
    the echo but I have reconsidered that.

    I know that nothing I do or say will get you or Wilfred to listen to me
    since neither of you have any respect for me, so I'll return the favor and
    do what Ward suggested: just ignore you unless you have something to
    contribute other than "piss and vinegar". I will not risk my health and
    life for you or anyone else.

    -- Sean
    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Mar 7 20:48:24 2022
    Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I'm warning you: Stop pretending to be the moderator of this area, you are not!

    Thanks for the laugh after a long day, Winfred. Appreciate it.

    Ward and I have been having a long discussion in netmail about my taking up echoes and being the moderator. He kindly explained Zone 2's views on that. While I chuckled at that, I could see where he was coming from.

    I was going to back off in here from doing that but since you insist on
    being a jackass about it, I've decided not to.

    So if you want to cry about my being moderator in here, you now have no one
    to blame but yourself.

    From now on, I'm simply going to ignore you and anyone else who has a
    problem with me being moderator.

    If you don't like it, go create your own echo like you did for the self-appointed nodelist police, which like the rest of us, no one cares
    about.

    -- Sean

    ... Rudeness is the weak person's imitation of strength.
    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Sean Dennis on Tue Mar 8 08:40:29 2022
    When I first joined Fidonet, I
    really looked up to you as a beginning Pascal programmer for all of your code in SWAG (of which I still host a mirror on my website).

    Ah yes, thanks for reminding me. When I still had a lousy ADSL connection to internet, I had too Disallow my SWAG mirror in my robots.txt file because all the search robots took up so much upload speed, when crawling over all the PAS files over and over again, that it was quite noticeable. Now, many years later, with 100/100Mb fibre it's high time open it up again.



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  • From Karel Kral@2:423/39 to Sean Dennis on Tue Mar 8 09:34:06 2022
    Hello Sean!

    07 Mar 22 19:28, you wrote to me:

    Do you have any relation with Russia?

    No, why? You afraid they're gonna turn you into Czechoslovakia again
    with how Russia's invading sovereign states?

    If that was an attempt to be funny, try again.

    Your behaviour really reminded me how .ru is now moderating .ua. = I tried to tell you in funny way how I felt.

    Karel

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Bj÷rn Felten on Tue Mar 8 07:05:00 2022
    Bjrn Felten wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Ah yes, thanks for reminding me. When I still had a lousy ADSL connection to internet,

    1999. 784k/384k ADSL. How far we've come!

    I did have a static IP back then, although I couldn't host much more than email, a couple of lists and DNS. :(




    ... Omens are there to be broken.
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Mar 9 16:30:24 2022
    1999. 784k/384k ADSL. How far we've come!

    Indeed. I originally had a 2/.5M abb in 2002 (when my 2xIDSN abb with two additional copper wire pairs connected to my house, was cancelled). It eventually was updated, step by step, to an incredible 8/2M abb on the same pair of copper wires. At the cost of EUR40 per month, when the average cost for fibre was EUR20.

    Well, after a long (almost like GigaBerlin now) incredible fight, we eventually got our fibre here, in the outskirts of Gteborg, almost ten years ago.

    And here I was with ten (!) *pairs* of copper wires ("for future use, you damn line user") connected to my house. Oh, how nice it was to cut that huge cable at my property border, and clean out all the shit, needed for ISDN and then ADSL to work, on my wall. :)





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