• Re: DOSEmu and Mystic BBS

    From REAPERN66@46:1/102 to VORLON on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    My system is running mystic/mis as a normal non root user (mystic).
    Mis is started automaticaly (not as a deamon) when the GUI (Fluxbox
    on Centos) comes up. I also have 5 Dos based doors running via dosemu.

    Global War
    Tradewars 2002
    Stackem (As listed in the unix.install.txt file)
    LORD
    LORD 2


    thats great dude. so you know i also have mis working non root on an
    older distro and anther one. for whatever reason debian 5 and mis wouldnt run dos binary.

    yes setcap can allow you to run it on higher ports non root..

    fyi ty.

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  • From ORBITMAN@46:1/138 to G00R00 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Except you know, the multiple systems who are doing what you con say isn't possible and have been for a while... :)
    There is nothing to document, that isn't already in the document.
    Nothing has changed in the way you should execute MIS.

    It works on my 3 systems, Gryphon has came up and said it works for him, and I know several others are running as non-root too. Just because you can't get it working doesn't mean its broken.


    I've been running MIS as a user since I started Orbit back in November of last year. Never had a problem with it not doing what it's supposed to.

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    Thanks!
    Allen
    Orbit BBS

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  • From G00R00@46:1/127 to DIGITAL AVATAR on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    My going rate is $180-240/hr so if you want to pay me that rate which other companies pay, I'll give you plenty of attention. Until then y can go fuck yourself.

    I'd like to state for the record: I am not a sock puppet of reapern66. Thank you.

    LOL! Yeah, thats pretty awesome when quoted out of context!

    ... Also, you might need to get laid if that is what you were thinking of
    when you saw two guys talking about BBS support... ;)

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  • From G00R00@46:1/102 to REAPERN66 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    let me remind you that last time you told me someone got mis working with dosemu. i have more then good reason, because it was impossible, and
    since you deleted all the threads their really is not a point in me
    saying anything on source forge since it didnt support pty. you dont
    mind if i stand up for myself do you, i mean i even want to donate to
    your cause and you wouldnt even accept it.

    Stand up for yourself? No one was even talking to you; you just chimed in and started saying how nothing works and complaining about documentation, etc,
    etc.

    The "last time" I also sent you screenshots of it working in your own distro, and you still claim it was impossible... LOL

    You did this same shit with archivers. Claiming that they're broken all
    while refusing to stop using these trainwreck scripts from 1999 instead of the recommended settings.

    5+ systems have now been mentioned here as having it working, and a 6th who
    is at least trying to determine if there is a Mystic issue or not instead of acting like a dick and spreading false information.

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  • From G00R00@46:1/102 to REAPERN66 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    thats great dude. so you know i also have mis working non root on an
    older distro and anther one. for whatever reason debian 5 and mis
    wouldnt run dos binary.

    Wait. WTF? Weren't you just the person who came out of nowhere and said it doesn't work? And now all of the sudden you have it working on multiple systems?

    P.S. If bbslogin is using chroot, doesn't that means its running as root not
    a BBS user like you keep claiming?

    <<<<<< SNIP >>>>>>

    From: reapern66
    To: ignatius
    Subj: Re: DOSEmu and Mystic BBS..)
    Date: 08/18/14 12:27ktech.org (46:1/102)
    Base: AGN_BBS

    I report this a long time ago, mis cannot run as bbs user, mis has to run has root for now to get rid of that error. i think mis shouldn't need to be run as root and long as it shares the same permissions as the bbs. in addition it should be able to run dos with a chroot like bbslogin does if i understood
    that part correctly.

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  • From G00R00@46:1/127 to ACCESS DENIED on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    What's so exquisite about my Archlinux install? There's not much to it, really. It's my Gentoo running my current hub system that's ridiculous,

    I don't know I thought ArchLinux was just a lot of manual installation, which is something I don't have the desire to mess with right now! :)

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  • From ACCESS DENIED@46:1/701 to G00R00 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Hello g00r00,

    On 21 Aug 14 12:32, g00r00 wrote to Access Denied:

    I don't know I thought ArchLinux was just a lot of manual
    installation, which is something I don't have the desire to mess with right now! :)

    Maybe during initial install there's some manual configuration, but it doesn't really take any longer than installing Windows or Ubuntu timewise. It's just more of a text based installation rather than a GUI one.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From G00R00@46:1/127 to ACCESS DENIED on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Maybe during initial install there's some manual configuration, but it doesn't really take any longer than installing Windows or Ubuntu
    timewise. It's just more of a text based installation rather than a GUI one.

    How is the package management?

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  • From ACCESS DENIED@46:1/701 to G00R00 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Hello g00r00,

    On 21 Aug 14 16:38, g00r00 wrote to Access Denied:

    Maybe during initial install there's some manual configuration,
    but it doesn't really take any longer than installing Windows or
    Ubuntu timewise. It's just more of a text based installation
    rather than a GUI one.

    How is the package management?

    Awesome. It's a command line binary package manager (pacman). So no source to watch compile for hours while trying to setup a system. :)

    It's basically like Debian, except in my opinion, awesomerererer.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From REAPERN66@46:1/102 to G00R00 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Wait. WTF? Weren't you just the person who came out of nowhere and
    said it doesn't work? And now all of the sudden you have it working on multiple systems?


    you should scroll back and read what i've said, older versions of mis work. current version doesnt debian 5. i've actually been around a few different people trying to get it working and i also sent you all the information i have.

    as i already mentioned i emailed everyone the most up to date files for dosemu
    so needless to say that most of it was freely distrbuted online already. Even more reason to have documention so different people dont have to keep doing
    the same damn thing over again.

    P.S. If bbslogin is using chroot, doesn't that means its running as root not a BBS user like you keep claiming?

    no it switched to bbs user. also if i understand correctly chroot just greats
    a fake root.


    <<<<<< SNIP >>>>>>

    From: reapern66
    To: ignatius
    Subj: Re: DOSEmu and Mystic BBS..)
    Date: 08/18/14 12:27ktech.org (46:1/102)
    Base: AGN_BBS

    I report this a long time ago, mis cannot run as bbs user, mis has to
    run has root for now to get rid of that error. i think mis shouldn't

    thats right to get rid of the ERROR!! since his dos isnt respecting his local dosemu config which I already told you~!! in the email....

    need to be run as root and long as it shares the same permissions as the bbs. in addition it should be able to run dos with a chroot like
    bbslogin does if i understood that part correctly.


    I already exlained this..fake root!!


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  • From REAPERN66@46:1/102 to G00R00 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Stand up for yourself? No one was even talking to you; you just chimed
    in and started saying how nothing works and complaining about

    The "last time" I also sent you screenshots of it working in your own distro, and you still claim it was impossible... LOL

    You did this same shit with archivers. Claiming that they're broken all while refusing to stop using these trainwreck scripts from 1999 instead
    of the recommended settings.

    5+ systems have now been mentioned here as having it working, and a 6th who is at least trying to determine if there is a Mystic issue or not instead of acting like a dick and spreading false information.


    wrong person here buddy. yeah actig like a dick is a good one ...

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  • From DIGITAL AVATAR@46:1/145 to G00R00 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    on 08/21/14, g00r00 said...

    My going rate is $180-240/hr so if you want to pay me that rate other companies pay, I'll give you plenty of attention. Until can go fuck yourself.

    I'd like to state for the record: I am not a sock puppet of reapern6 Thank you.

    LOL! Yeah, thats pretty awesome when quoted out of context!

    ... Also, you might need to get laid if that is what you were thinking of when you saw two guys talking about BBS support... ;)

    Actually I was just making a joke in case anyone thought I had any part in this... I just latched on to that paragraph because it was the last one...
    but I like your version better.

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  • From G00R00@46:1/127 to ACCESS DENIED on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Awesome. It's a command line binary package manager (pacman). So no
    source to watch compile for hours while trying to setup a system. :)

    It's basically like Debian, except in my opinion, awesomerererer.

    I'm sold! I'll have to give it a chance sometime.

    Right now I am using Ubuntu 14, having recently switched from Mint Linux 13.
    I usually pick whatever I can find that has the packages I want, so I have little to no code compiling.

    I switched to Ubuntu because it had SDL2 at the time, when most others didn't.

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  • From PSI-JACK@46:1/142 to ACCESS DENIED on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    On 08/17/14, Access Denied said the following...

    Hello ignatius,
    I'm not sure what's going on there, but if the BBS user is trying to
    start dosemu, it SHOULD be trying to create /home/bbs/.dosemu rather
    than /root/.dosemu.

    Did you by chance mess with dosemu.conf at all? This really seems like a permissions issue.

    ign and I spoke about it on IRC to try ot figure out what was going on. Turns out it's actually an openSUSE specific kind of issue where they default sudo
    to always_set_home, so by him running sudo as his bbs user to run mis to get root to bind, $HOME would change to /root instead of remaining where it was.

    That was one of a few problems anyway. :)

    [Psi-Jack -//- Decker's Heaven]

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  • From ACCESS DENIED@46:1/701 to G00R00 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Hello g00r00,

    On 21 Aug 14 17:53, g00r00 wrote to Access Denied:

    I'm sold! I'll have to give it a chance sometime.

    Right now I am using Ubuntu 14, having recently switched from Mint
    Linux 13. I usually pick whatever I can find that has the packages I
    want, so I have little to no code compiling.

    The main difference with Archlinux is that after you install, you have a barebones command line system with a package manager. After that, you add what YOU want, not what they think you want. :)

    So a simple:

    pacman -S xorg [gnome/kde/fluxbox/whatever]

    Will get you X and a desktop environment of your choice in about 5 minutes or less, depending on whether you install kde or fluxbox (big meta packaged desktop environment compared to a very small lightweight window manager).

    I switched to Ubuntu because it had SDL2 at the time, when most others didn't.

    Looks like:

    pacman -S sdl2

    wants to install sdl2 and all it's dependencies. :)

    pacman -Syu

    updates your entire system.

    pacman -Rsu

    removes package(s) and it's dependencies as well as any unneeded packages (if dependencies weren't removed but a package was at some point).

    The list goes on.. But it's short and sweet and to the point. I don't have anything on here that's not being used. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From ACCESS DENIED@46:1/701 to PSI-JACK on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Hello Psi-Jack,

    On 22 Aug 14 16:46, Psi-Jack wrote to Access Denied:

    ign and I spoke about it on IRC to try ot figure out what was going
    on. Turns out it's actually an openSUSE specific kind of issue where
    they default sudo to always_set_home, so by him running sudo as his
    bbs user to run mis to get root to bind, $HOME would change to /root instead of remaining where it was.

    That was one of a few problems anyway. :)

    Aww jeez. I thought the whole point of sudo was to veer away from using root to

    do anything (since using root is shunned upon and super duper evil according to

    some). So now when you use sudo it defaults to your root directory anyways? Pfft. That's why I never use sudo. If I need root, I'll su to it. If not, I'll stay as a regular user. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From REAPERN66@46:1/102 to VORLON on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Did I read in another message from you that your using a chroot enviroment?


    I have in the past, its been a long time since I have setup for chroot.


    Have you tryed outside of the chroot enviroment?

    I'm currently testing two different things. once if everything gets worked I will post an update.

    ty.

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  • From REAPERN66@46:1/102 to PSI-JACK on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    ign and I spoke about it on IRC to try ot figure out what was going on. Turns out it's actually an openSUSE specific kind of issue where they default sudo to always_set_home, so by him running sudo as his bbs user
    to run mis to get root to bind, $HOME would change to /root instead of


    good find, this also happens in without sudo in some distros.

    ty.

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  • From REAPERN66@46:1/102 to ACCESS DENIED on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    root to do anything (since using root is shunned upon and super duper
    evil according to some). So now when you use sudo it defaults to your
    root directory anyways? Pfft. That's why I never use sudo. If I need
    root, I'll su to it. If not, I'll stay as a regular user. :)


    their should be an option that allows your to run as a certain user when configured in /etc, this may apply to using sudo without a password also.

    ty.

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  • From ORBITMAN@46:1/138 to ACCESS DENIED on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    The main difference with Archlinux is that after you install, you have a barebones command line system with a package manager. After that, you
    add what YOU want, not what they think you want. :)

    I may have to give Arch a shot! That sounds easy to deal with. I'm used to Ubuntu as that has pretty much been all I have used. I have messed around
    with Fedora (2, 3 and 4) as well as Mandrake (Mandriva now) and Suse. I even tried to build a Gentoo system several years ago and got it going...but never finished it.

    --
    Thanks!
    Allen
    Orbit BBS

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  • From ACCESS DENIED@46:1/701 to ORBITMAN on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Hello Orbitman,

    On 22 Aug 14 17:10, Orbitman wrote to Access Denied:

    I may have to give Arch a shot! That sounds easy to deal with. I'm
    used to Ubuntu as that has pretty much been all I have used. I have messed around with Fedora (2, 3 and 4) as well as Mandrake (Mandriva
    now) and Suse.

    All full blown desktop environment systems.

    I even tried to build a Gentoo system several years ago and got it going...but never finished it.

    Arch is basically like Gentoo, except you don't have to compile your entire system (which on and off with having shit to do and work and all that can end up being a few days). You basically install the same way you would with Gentoo (yet still no compiling).. You manually set your fstab, mirrorlists, and a few other things.. then you're left with a base/core system with a package manager and a few other things like a kernel, compiler, libs to start with, etc.

    After that, the world (or your OS) is yours. You install what you want, when you want to. All binary packages so installation of anything is super fast. Automatic kernel updates (again, no compiling) that only require a reboot to boot into the new kernel)..

    For one, I've always been one to build my system from the ground up (I was a Gentoo fanboy for about a decade, and boy am I glad I found Arch.. lol). I don't like installing stuff like Ubuntu, or SuSE, or Fedora, or any of those that come with software that I probably don't want, already installed. So far it has been the least stressful Linux OS I have ever used.

    After the years of Gentoo, I got annoyed with compiling everything and things taking hours when it could take seconds. It wasn't worth my time especially when I wasn't changing the ebuilds or compile options to make things system specific (like Gentoo promotes) anyways.

    The last OS I used before Arch was Sabayon, which was Gentoo based, but had a binary package manager. It was nice, but still came with an entire desktop environment and their own installed programs on it that I didn't want in the first place. I used it for about a year even, but eventually just decided to go

    back to a console environment. The lack of interest in compiling brought me to Archlinux. I'm not sorry I tried it. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From WKITTY42@46:1/132 to ACCESS DENIED on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    On 08/22/14, Access Denied said the following...

    The main difference with Archlinux is that after you install, you have a barebones command line system with a package manager. After that, you
    add what YOU want, not what they think you want. :)

    very interesting... does it also tell you what package to install when the command you type isn't available?

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  • From ACCESS DENIED@46:1/701 to WKITTY42 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Hello wkitty42,

    On 26 Aug 14 04:29, wkitty42 wrote to Access Denied:

    very interesting... does it also tell you what package to install when
    the command you type isn't available?

    I'm not exactly sure what you mean there, but you can use the package manager to search for anything you're looking for as well as a complete listing on their site, https://www.archlinux.org/packages/

    If the package is not there, it may be in the AUR (Arch User Repository) at https://aur.archlinux.org which only requires you to download a PKGBUILD file from there, and run "makepkg -si" on it. (the s option is to install any dependencies it needs, and i is to install the package after successful build -- so you don't have to run two separate commands).

    Are you referring to something like.. if you try to unrar something and you don't have unrar installed, some distros will tell you that you need to install

    unrar? Heh, I haven't ran into anything like that before. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From G00R00@46:1/127 to ACCESS DENIED on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    The list goes on.. But it's short and sweet and to the point. I don't
    have anything on here that's not being used. :)

    As long as it works as good as you make it sound, it sounds perfect!

    I may even try it first on my Raspberry Pi B+ which is still sitting in its
    box waiting for me to figure out HTF to use it lol.

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  • From ACCESS DENIED@46:1/701 to G00R00 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    Hello g00r00,

    On 27 Aug 14 21:35, g00r00 wrote to Access Denied:

    As long as it works as good as you make it sound, it sounds perfect!

    I may even try it first on my Raspberry Pi B+ which is still sitting
    in its box waiting for me to figure out HTF to use it lol.

    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Raspberry_Pi

    Give it a shot and let me know when you're switching all your other Linux development over to Arch. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From WKITTY42@46:1/132 to ACCESS DENIED on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    On 08/26/14, Access Denied said the following...

    On 26 Aug 14 04:29, wkitty42 wrote to Access Denied:

    very interesting... does it also tell you what package to install whe the command you type isn't available?

    I'm not exactly sure what you mean there, but you can use the package manager to search for anything you're looking for as well as a complete listing on their site, https://www.archlinux.org/packages/

    on my ?ubuntu boxen, if i type in (eg) netstat and it doesn't exist, it'll come back and tell me that i can install it via "sudo apt-get install blah" where "blah" is the package name...

    i've never really gotten the hang of using the command line tools to search
    for what package installed what item or provide an item... uncle google generally comes to the rescue in those cases, though ;)

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  • From POINDEXTER FORTRAN@46:1/115 to G00R00 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    g00r00 wrote to Digital Avatar <=-

    I'd like to state for the record: I am not a sock puppet of reapern66. Thank you.

    LOL! Yeah, thats pretty awesome when quoted out of context!

    I sense a tagline...

    ...I'd like to state for the record: I am not a sock puppet of reapern66.

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  • From MERCYFUL FATE@46:1/140 to G00R00 on Thu Jan 31 19:20:17 2019
    $ g00r00 was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    What's so exquisite about my Archlinux install? There's not much to it, really. It's my Gentoo running my current hub system that's ridiculous,

    I don't know I thought ArchLinux was just a lot of manual installation,
    which is something I don't have the desire to mess with right now! :)
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I run arch, it's a little work in the begining mainly with just configuration and getting the lan working, after that it's pretty simple like BSD or
    anything you just install the packages you want on top of a nice optimized
    base system. It's all binary so no compiling.

    |07M|11er|03cy|07ful Fate |08(|15hTc|08)|07

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    * Origin: haunting The chapel >>--> htc.zapto.org <--<< (46:1/140)
    Synchronet thePharcyde_ >> telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin)