Can it be made the default in new synchronet installs, new users can not post in echomail areas?
Can it be made the default in new synchronet installs, new users can
not post in echomail areas?
Possible, yes, but:
1. wouldn't change the configuration hundreds of existing Synchronet installs
2. would open a FAQ for me answer: How come my users can't post on echomail areas?
3. sysops that unknowingly verify nut-job bulk posting users would end
up with the same result
There have been multiple posts in different echomail areas, by "different" users, from different systems, for weeks now, all with the same content. I find it annoying.
but to see all the future "why cant my users post in message groups" messages would probably annoy many people.
On 2024-05-16 06:57:09, you wrote to me:
Are the average new Synchronet sysops that stupid, they don't check their settings before asking such questions?
And can't you have different default settings for verified/approved users?
Bye, Wilfred.
Are the average new Synchronet sysops that stupid, they don't check
their settings before asking such questions?
And can't you have different default settings for verified/approved users?
No I dont think we are that stupid.
I will admit I had a spam user get access to my fidonet areas. I have since locked it all down. Maybe in your infinite wisdom, you could recommend a way to validate users so they can have access to Fidonet Message bases??
Are the average new Synchronet sysops that stupid, they don't check their settings before asking such questions?
Can it be made the default in new synchronet installs, new users can
not post in echomail areas?
Possible, yes, but:
1. wouldn't change the configuration hundreds of existing Synchronet installs
That's not an argument to make improvements in new versions!
Dumas Walker wrote to WILFRED VAN VELZEN <=-
Can it be made the default in new synchronet installs, new users can
not post in echomail areas?
Possible, yes, but:
1. wouldn't change the configuration hundreds of existing Synchronet installs
That's not an argument to make improvements in new versions!
I am not really sure that the default is what you think it is
anyway.
When you install Synchronet, IIRC, only Dovenet comes
preinstalled with defaults. It is up to the sysop to add those
FTN echoes and, if they set them to where the default new user
level has access, they get access.
I am not real sure what DM can do to force sysops not to do that
on their own systems.
and some of them may not even know what the crap echomail is much less
how to keep one guy who is posting about rfid chipped girls out of it.
When you install Synchronet, IIRC, only Dovenet comes preinstalled
with defaults. It is up to the sysop to add those FTN echoes and, if
they set them to where the default new user level has access, they get access.
I am not real sure what DM can do to force sysops not to do that on their own systems.
Hi MRO,
On 2024-05-15 17:12:43, you wrote to me:
Venus, Innana and so on...
Sailor Moon is targeted as somewhat of modern representation of
following
mythology) if you suspect something or know anything write about it!
6. Daughters of those from groups above!
inform inform inform!
Can it be made the default in new synchronet installs, new users can
not post in echomail areas?
That's something that sysops should decide.
Of course! I'm not asking to remove their choice, only to change the default
there's no way to know when someone's going to be posting crazy shit.
Indeed, so it's better to restrict what they can do until they are "verified
also this guy wasn't overly harmful or damaging to the network.
There have been multiple posts in different echomail areas, by "different" u
it's up to the sysop to police their own bbs. you can't do it all for them.
Of course. And as I said above, I'm not asking to limit the sysops options, mers (or bots).
Bye, Wilfred.
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip planted without them knowing it
By: Wilfred van Velzen to MRO on Thu May 16 2024 11:42:12
There have been multiple posts in different echomail areas, by "differe users, from different systems, for weeks now, all with the same content find it annoying.
when I come up on that message, just like any other spam on my system, I pus y annoy many people.
Of course. And as I said above, I'm not asking to limit the sysops
options,
mers (or bots).
I disagree with changing the default. It's very easy to jiggle the
new user settings to do that.
I disagree with changing the default. It's very easy to jiggle the new
user settings to do that.
Maybe it's easy, but it's overlooked by new sysops...
do you not know how to twitfilter?
Of course I do. But that is not fixing the problem. And it's just a temporary "fix" until they log in with a different name...
3. The ^^ above mentioned person needs to arrange that every Sysop check in once weekly in the Sysop area so that everyone can keep on point,
If they miss a check-in and/or a couple follow up messages they
should be put on hold until they pay attention..
kk4qbn wrote to Wilfred van Velzen <=-
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip planted without them knowing it
By: Wilfred van Velzen to MRO on Fri May 17 2024 09:27:09
do you not know how to twitfilter?
Of course I do. But that is not fixing the problem. And it's just a temporary "fix" until they log in with a different name...
Really, all it boils down to is the Sysops AND the EC,
Moderators, or whatever title the person who provides the mail to
the sysops not running the networks correctly..
1. If the EC, Moderato, or whatever title of the day detects a
message they do not see fit, they need to delete it before it
goes further downsteam and notify the offending systems sysop
so it can be remedied.
2. This EC, Moderator, title of the day, or whatever they call
themselves need
to login and check on their message bases more than once a
week, should
really be daily.. some of these people you cannot even get
ahold of..
if they cannot do this, something needs to be remedied to
replace them.
if that is'nt an option, then the network should be considered obsolete.
3. The ^^ above mentioned person needs to arrange that every
Sysop check in once weekly in the Sysop area so that everyone
can keep on point, If they
miss a check-in and/or a couple follow up messages they should
be put on
hold until they pay attention..
Heck.. thats really about it.. It's not a "Dumb" sysop issue,
It's a "Lazy" sysop issue. and the main issues is with some of
the upstream hubs, etc who do not correctly maintain their
message networks. whether it be an FTN, QWK, etc.
A simple structure should be laid out by that EC, and explained
to every Sysop that gets a feed from that EC.
3. The ^^ above mentioned person needs to arrange that every Sysop check
in once weekly in the Sysop area so that everyone can keep on point,
If they miss a check-in and/or a couple follow up messages they should
be put on hold until they pay attention..
do we get pop and pizza?
No I dont think we are that stupid. I will admit I had a spam user get access to my fidonet areas. I have since locked it all down. Maybe in your infinite wisdom, you could recommend a way to validate users so they can have access to
Fidonet Message bases??
You don't have a good understanding of how modern echomail distribution happens.
When messages arrive at a hub, they are sent out to that hub's downlinks in a matter of seconds. Yes, seconds. There is ZERO chance that the NC (the correct "title") is going to catch/stop an offending message. ZERO. They come in, and immediately go back out to downlinks. Even if the RC/NC was sitting at the computer with his hands on the keyboard, they could not stop the message from going downstream.
LOL ... While some of the above is certainly true, "checking on their message bases" would have nothing to do with catching/stopping an offensive message. It can't be done.
kk4qbn wrote to Wilfred van Velzen <=-
1. If the EC, Moderato, or whatever title of the day detects a message they do not see fit, they need to delete it before it goes further downsteam and notify the offending systems sysop so it can be
remedied.
3. The ^^ above mentioned person needs to arrange that every Sysop c
in once weekly in the Sysop area so that everyone can keep on poi
do we get pop and pizza?
I dunno.. gott ask that person.. i'm not that person and never will be ever again :-) too much drama for me to deal with. but, if I were that person.. if it were a real get together instead of virtual.. sure..
pizza at pizza hut buffet.. just like we did in the 90's. it was a great time. ---
Ok, so your saying you have both you FTN and QWK networks set to CRASH anytime something comes in? really does'nt seem like something you would want to do with echomail.. maybe NETMAIL, but not echomail.. Now I have
Hi Carol,
On 2024-05-16 13:07:00, you wrote to me:
Of course. And as I said above, I'm not asking to limit the sysops
options,
mers (or bots).
(Your quoter is broken...)
I disagree with changing the default. It's very easy to jiggle the
new user settings to do that.
Maybe it's easy, but it's overlooked by new sysops...
Bye, Wilfred.
closest thing i got was a local volkswagen enthusiast club .. was a web foru with a pretty large community. we'd go on cruises out to the beach or the local raceway or whatever.. have bonfires.. good times. i guess a combo of facebook and a disconnect from the desktop pc killed that off. ah well.
I am not real sure what DM can do to force sysops not to do that on their own systems.
Maybe it's easy, but it's overlooked by new sysops...
kk4qbn wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip planted without them knowing it
By: Gamgee to kk4qbn on Fri May 17 2024 07:49:00
You don't have a good understanding of how modern echomail distribution happens.
ok, Maybe not FTN.. but truly.. FTN isn't "Modern".. it was never
meant to be intantanious. as far as I know. except for netmail.
and that was in a best case scenario "back in the day"
When messages arrive at a hub, they are sent out to that hub's downlinks in a matter of seconds. Yes, seconds. There is ZERO chance that the NC (the correct "title") is going to catch/stop an offending message. ZERO. They come in, and immediately go back out to downlinks. Even if the RC/NC was sitting at the computer with his hands on the keyboard, they could not stop the message from going downstream.
Ok, so your saying you have both you FTN and QWK networks set to
CRASH anytime something comes in?
really does'nt seem like
something you would want to do with echomail.. maybe NETMAIL, but
not echomail..
Now I have been out of the BBS world since about
2016 or so, so if there is another method besides FTN, and QWK.
then yeah.. I have no idea.. but for qwk networks, especially
with the traffic we get anymore, I'm not polling anymore than 4
times daily..
and truthfully, I don't believe I will ever setup
another ftn network, lol I've been waiting close to two months to
hear back from someone on a qwk hub for a network that I have now
even forgot the name of because I've been waiting so long. I
don't really know about not having a good understanding of the
techonology I pretty much know how it works, even in todays
"modern" world.
just my opinion, and we all know about opinions,
modern echomail does'nt warrant instantanias transport. crash
your hub 15 times a day for 15 messages.. lol. If a sysop is'nt
doing that, they may every now and then catch a mistake, or spam
or something before it goes down stream.
It was just an idea. it's not perfect.. nothing perfect. the best
that can happen really is just twitlisting..
LOL ... While some of the above is certainly true, "checking on their message bases" would have nothing to do with catching/stopping an offensive message. It can't be done.
Ok.. if you say so..
at pizza hut buffet.. just like we did in the 90's. it was a great time.
that sort of thing is still cool imo. some of the ham radio clubs still do the bi-weekly (or whatever) breakfast type of thing.. and i see posts about vintage computer meetups in Cali on.. fidonet i think it was.
closest thing i got was a local volkswagen enthusiast club .. was a web forum with a pretty large community. we'd go on cruises out to the beach or the local raceway or whatever.. have bonfires.. good times. i guess a combo of facebook and a disconnect from the desktop pc killed that off. ah well.
There's a YouTube channel called VWLife, they just had a convoy of old VW busses crossing the southwest and going to Mexico, I think - hardy vehicles, those old buses. Seems like they used the channel to make a virtual club that can still get together and party...
Old buses get around 20 miles a gallon and have a 10 gallon tank, so you're stopping a lot. Just like the old cars I grew up in, on the trip they encountered finicky carbs, dirty fuel filters that starve the engine, bad spark plugs - even replacing an alternator along the way. Bonus points for him having a spare alternator...
My first 2 vehicles were VW Buses (1969 and 1970) and I can tell they are slow, dangerous hunks of junk. But 20 MPG? It think they did better than that (and I had dual carbs on each).
Easy to say; impossible to put into actual practice.
Nopants wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Gamgee to kk4qbn on Fri May 17 2024 08:49 am
Easy to say; impossible to put into actual practice.
Wait, isn't this how we solve problems today? Just sayin...
Hi MRO,
On 2024-05-16 17:33:55, you wrote to me:
do you not know how to twitfilter?
Of course I do. But that is not fixing the problem. And it's just a temporar
Bye, Wilfred.
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip planted without them knowing it
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 17 2024 04:39 pm
My first 2 vehicles were VW Buses (1969 and 1970) and I can tell they are slow, dangerous hunks of junk. But 20 MPG? It think they did better than that (and I had dual carbs on each).
I think the original VW Bus had the same engine used in the Beetle, didn't it? I could understand how the (larger) Bus would be slow..
Maybe it's easy, but it's overlooked by new sysops...
Or new sysops intentionally have it set that way.
Or maybe the nut-job poster actually uses a real email address and validates their account that way and then posts their garbage.
I would just assume "new sysops" are fault for every posting by this
nut.
do you not know how to twitfilter?
Of course I do. But that is not fixing the problem. And it's just a
temporar
I would just assume "new sysops" are fault for every posting by this nut.
If you mean "wouldn't", I agree. ;-)
Of course I do. But that is not fixing the problem. And it's just a
temporar
Your quoter just cuts of longer sentences in the middle of word... :-(
fusion wrote to kk4qbn <=-
i frequently watch people have chats in near realtime on FTN. it
wouldn't be unreasonable to implement a "scan for new messages forever" option on a BBS nowadays and just have it spew messages realtime.
On Sat, 18 May 2024 17:30:20 +0200, you wrote:
Of course I do. But that is not fixing the problem. And it's just a
temporar
Your quoter just cuts of longer sentences in the middle of word... :-(
All of her editor's (if she still uses SlyEdit) issues have long since been
Regards,
Nick
... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
I am not real sure what DM can do to force sysops not to do that on their own systems.
We could change the default settings for new users to include the 'N' restriction, which would (by defualt, in new SBBS installs) prevent new users from posting messages on networks.
All of her editor's (if she still uses SlyEdit) issues have long since been
You've been claiming that for years. Give it up.
i'm still not seeing any of this shit. is someone actually going around
now
I've not seen any of it. Seems limited to Z2?
why dont you tell your hubs to filter these posts from fidonet?
it would be more effective.
It's better to fix it at the source. Besides it's highly frowned upon to filter
echomail.
I've not seen any of it. Seems limited to Z2?
No it originated on a Z1 system, and got everywhere...
furthermore the guy said they
were using other non synchronet bbses to post.
I have noticed, and mentioned, that also. IMHO, it happens most with synchronet BBSes because there are so many of them, but I have also seen
him post from mystic and at least one other type bbs (forget which now).
* SLMR 2.1a * He who laughs last...had to have it explained.
Hello Carol,
On Sun, May 19 2024 22:52:00 +0000, you wrote:
All of her editor's (if she still uses SlyEdit) issues have long since b
You've been claiming that for years. Give it up.
I gave up on trying to keep you aware of the editor's progress long ago, you
But yes, I'll let others know (and defend the software that I use and suppor
Have a great rest of your weekend! :D
Regards,
Nick
... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
I gave up on trying to keep you aware of the editor's progress long ago, you
But yes, I'll let others know (and defend the software that I use and suppor
I Did upgrade. You've been TOLD that.
1st off, this has nothing to do with you, 2nd I never posted any spam, 3rd you're an idiot.
Don't bother with a reply because you're going in the twitlist.
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Denn to MRO on Mon May 20 2024 22:48:58
Is it just me or are people slowly turning this forum into Facebook. Somebody cuts a quote short, or makes a spelling mistake and everyone gets their panties in a twist. You don't like something about what someone says so you threaten to block, unfollow, or YIKES, even put them on a twitlist? Why do we bother?
(The preceding thoughts were my personal opinion only, and not meant to threaten, harass, diminish, embarass, or cause anyone to run to their safe space)
In the 10 years I've been here MRO has been the
Gladys Kravitz of BBS forums, you know the nosey neighbor on Bewitched, He's a troll.
I don't feel like putting up with him any more.
The easy solution is to put him in my twitlist.
i used to think he was annoying as fuck
stay longer and you'll realize he's you, but from the future.
Denn wrote to Mickey <=-
In the 10 years I've been here MRO has been the
Gladys Kravitz of BBS forums, you know the nosey neighbor on
Bewitched, He's a troll.
MRO/Jas Hud reminds me of the saying - "Why would I accept criticism
from someone who I wouldn't accept advice from?"
... Change specifics to ambiguities
--- MultiMail/Win v0.52
� Synchronet � .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.
MRO/Jas Hud reminds me of the saying - "Why would I accept criticism from someone who I wouldn't accept advice from?"
So are you saying jas hud and MRO are one in the same?
I don't mind
criticism, and I do take advise if it's good advise, I just grow weary of a guy that constantly gets into everybody's business whithout even knowing the facts, he's a troll that just likes to stir things up everywhere he can.
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Denn to MRO on Mon May 20 2024 22:48:58
Is it just me or are people slowly turning this forum into Facebook. Somebody cuts a quote short, or makes a spelling mistake and everyone gets their panties in a twist. You don't like something about what someone says (The preceding thoughts were my personal opinion only, and not meant to threaten, harass, diminish, embarass, or cause anyone to run to their safe space)
In the 10 years I've been here MRO has been the
Gladys Kravitz of BBS forums, you know the nosey neighbor on Bewitched, He's a troll.
I don't feel like putting up with him any more.
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip pYep, ive seen many new sysops just wanting to rekindle their love of BBSing only to be treated like crap by a few then leaving never to be heard from here again, it's not just MRO there are a few that jump in with him.
By: Denn to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 22 2024 11:08 am
Yes, they're the same person.
That and he's the only one I've seen on here who repeatedly calls people autistic or other names, and so on..
Nightfox
---
Yep, ive seen many new sysops just wanting to rekindle their love of BBSing only to be treated like crap by a few then leaving never to be heard from here again, it's not just MRO there are a few that jump in with him.
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Denn to Nightfox on Wed May 22 2024 08:22 pm
If you really enjoy the hobby of BBSing, you have to ignore some of the bad stuff and not let it bother you too much.
Nightfox
If you really enjoy the hobby of BBSing, you have to ignore some of the badThat's true, but some of these guy's just get frustrated. But you're right they should ignore the negative.
stuff and not let it bother you too much.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Denn to Nightfox on Thu May 23 2024 01:14 pm
If you really enjoy the hobby of BBSing, you have to ignore some of the badThat's true, but some of these guy's just get frustrated. But you're right they should ignore the negative.
stuff and not let it bother you too much.
Nightfox
It's one thing to ignore negativity about technical abilities or reading comprehension. It's entirely another to have to ignore bigotry. I have no tolerance for intolerance. It's the year 2024, but we have a certain person throwing around slur words like it's 1985.
We talk here about wanting to appeal to more people, but then we allow people to make it feel hostile. The days of you older straight white men being the majority are ending, we need to appeal to those that are becoming the majority. If I hadn't been into BBSing in the mid 90s & had other women helping me feel welcome back then, there's probably no way I'd be here now.
We talk here about wanting to appeal to more people, but then we allow people to make it feel hostile. The days of you older straight white men being the majority are ending, we need to appeal to those that are becoming the majority. If I hadn't been into BBSing in the mid 90s & had other women helping me feel welcome back then, there's probably no way
I'd be here now.
Ravne wrote to Denn <=-
We talk here about wanting to appeal to more people, but then we allow people to make it feel hostile. The days of you older straight white
men being the majority are ending, we need to appeal to those that are becoming the majority.
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Ravne to Denn on Fri May 24 2024 10:17 am
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Denn to Nightfox on Thu May 23 2024 01:14 pm
If you really enjoy the hobby of BBSing, you have to ignore some of t badThat's true, but some of these guy's just get frustrated. But you're right they should ignore the negative.
stuff and not let it bother you too much.
Nightfox
It's one thing to ignore negativity about technical abilities or reading comprehension. It's entirely another to have to ignore bigotry. I have no tolerance for intolerance. It's the year 2024, but we have a certain pers throwing around slur words like it's 1985.
Having no tolerance for intolerance is still intolerance.
Negativity is mostly by a few, there are many people promoting posativity h
Thats why I say just ignore the negativity.
We talk here about wanting to appeal to more people, but then we allow people to make it feel hostile. The days of you older straight white men being the majority are ending, we need to appeal to those that are becomi the majority. If I hadn't been into BBSing in the mid 90s & had other wom helping me feel welcome back then, there's probably no way I'd be here no
No one should be in a majority, you want to take one majority and replace i
I like Robs approach, when we ask noob questions he points us to the wiki p to encourage us to look for and find the answers to our problems.
Sometimes the author gives bad pointers back. I asked once for help finding the right area on the wiki for something very specific, listing all the pages I had tried, and what part I was missing.
Link came bach with the root page of the wiki (obviously useless). I never asked again. No, I never found it either.
No one should be in a majority, you want to take one majority and replace i
I like Robs approach, when we ask noob questions he points us to the wiki p to encourage us to look for and find the answers to our problems.
Sometimes the author gives bad pointers back. I asked once for help finding the right area on the wiki for something very specific, listing all the pages I had tried, and what part I was missing.
Link came bach with the root page of the wiki (obviously useless). I never asked again. No, I never found it either.
kk4qbn wrote to Carol Shenkenberger <=-
The terms "Synchronet Wiki whatever issue" used in a simple google
search has always directed me to the information I am looking for. ---
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: MRO to Denn on Tue May 21 2024 11:07 pm
incompetent you were. That bewitched reference is lame as hell too.
I used to watch that when i was a kid and i still barely remember it.
The nose twitch tho? Really?
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Denn on Sat May 25 2024 16:12:00
Sometimes the author gives bad pointers back. I asked once for help finding the right area on the wiki for something very specific, listing all the pages I had tried, and what part I was missing.
Link came bach with the root page of the wiki (obviously useless). I never asked again. No, I never found it either.
The terms "Synchronet Wiki whatever issue" used in a simple google search ha
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: kk4qbn to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat May 25 2024 07:04 pm
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Denn on Sat May 25 2024 16:12:00
Sometimes the author gives bad pointers back. I asked once for help finding the right area on the wiki for something very specific, listing all the pages I had tried, and what part I was missing.
Link came bach with the root page of the wiki (obviously useless).
I never asked again. No, I never found it either.
The terms "Synchronet Wiki whatever issue" used in a simple google search ha
It remains not well documented. Not many need it so it doesn't matter anymore.
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Carol Shenkenberger to kk4qbn on Wed May 29 2024 04:32 pm
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: kk4qbn to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat May 25 2024 07:04 pm
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Denn on Sat May 25 2024 16:12:00
Sometimes the author gives bad pointers back. I asked once for h finding the right area on the wiki for something very specific, listing all the pages I had tried, and what part I was missing.
Link came bach with the root page of the wiki (obviously useless) I never asked again. No, I never found it either.
The terms "Synchronet Wiki whatever issue" used in a simple google sea ha
It remains not well documented. Not many need it so it doesn't matter anymore.
What is "it"?
--
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Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Digital Man to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed May 29 2024 02:56 pm
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Carol Shenkenberger to kk4qbn on Wed May 29 2024 04:32 pm
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: kk4qbn to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat May 25 2024 07:04 pm
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip p
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Denn on Sat May 25 2024 16:12:00
Sometimes the author gives bad pointers back. I asked once for h finding the right area on the wiki for something very specific, listing all the pages I had tried, and what part I was missing.
Link came bach with the root page of the wiki (obviously useless) I never asked again. No, I never found it either.
The terms "Synchronet Wiki whatever issue" used in a simple google sea ha
It remains not well documented. Not many need it so it doesn't matter anymore.
What is "it"?
It was a query related to netmail.
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