I just made a video about BBSes for YT - it sucks, but at least I tried...

Question about SyncTERM, and the ST website - is there any interest in updating its style/website? Its... really retro - and fine for US, but is really a blockade for new users, or younger users... I want to bring m0re folks to BBSing and am willing to help - if allowed. Would DM, or the SyncTERM masters, be open to updating the SyncTERM website for 2o24?

I think it would go a long way to help foster new users to our wonderful community. I am NOT a web dev, but I'm willing to help with time, effort and monetarily to update the SyncTERM web presence. We're a group of tech people - we all know that... but I think ST is worthy of the masses. Does anyone else, hopefully DM/Nightfox (I'm forgetting the dev of syncterm, aren't I... lol) and the rest of the Dovenet r0ckstars, feel the same???

I know theres many here much m0re capable of an update than me - but I'd be willing to help as much as I can... can we?



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Re: SyncTERM website...
By: paulie420 to All on Mon Dec 11 2023 10:53 pm

Question about SyncTERM, and the ST website - is there any interest in updating its style/website? Its... really retro - and fine for US, but is really a blockade for new users, or younger users... I want to bring m0re folks to BBSing and am willing to help - if allowed. Would DM, or the

anyone else, hopefully DM/Nightfox (I'm forgetting the dev of syncterm, aren't I... lol) and the rest of the Dovenet r0ckstars, feel the same???

I can't say I really feel as strongly about it. I'm actually not sure there's anything really wrong with the SyncTerm web site.. One thing I actually like about that style of web page is that it's simple and loads fast, without a lot of added fluff (i.e., no ads!). I think that kind of web page helps you find what you're looking for more easily. What in particular would you change about it?

SyncTERM masters, be open to updating the SyncTERM website for 2o24?
I know theres many here much m0re capable of an update than me - but I'd

"2o24", "m0re".. Is your keybaord broken? :P

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Question about SyncTERM, and the ST website - is there any interest in updatin
its style/website? Its... really retro - and fine for US, but is really a bloc
de for new users, or younger users... I want to bring m0re folks to BBSing and
m willing to help - if allowed. Would DM, or the SyncTERM masters, be open to dating the SyncTERM website for 2o24?

A word of caution on websites... I don't mind them being "modern," but a
lot of websites do things that break the browsers that a lot of us
"techies" and BBS folks would be more likely to use, ex. links2 and other
like browsers.

I can remember back when they used to teach us that a website should always have a text only version that would load for disability readers... most
web developers don't do even that any more.


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Re: SyncTERM website...
By: paulie420 to All on Mon Dec 11 2023 10:53 pm

Question about SyncTERM, and the ST website - is there any interest in updating its style/website? Its... really retro - and fine for US, but is really a blockade for new users, or younger users... I want to bring m0re folks to BBSing and am willing to help - if allowed. Would DM, or the SyncTERM masters, be open to updating the SyncTERM website for 2o24?

Deuce is the master of the syncterm website, so you'd need to bring it up with him. He doesn't frequent DOVE-Net, but you can find him on irc.synchro.net (in #synchronet and other channels) and the syncterm support on sourceforge.net.
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I can't say I really feel as strongly about it. I'm actually not sure there's anything really wrong with the SyncTerm web site.. One thing I actually like about that style of web page is that it's simple and loads fast, without a lot of added fluff (i.e., no ads!). I think that kind
of web page helps you find what you're looking for more easily. What in particular would you change about it?

*I* agree with you - its easy enough to tell non-BBS users to just click the flag and get on with standard installs, but for non-BBS users it can be a lot.

I'd love if it had all thats there now, but maybe on thru a gitlab page, or other page of the site - with the landing page that looks updated and a nice 'Download' button at top that brings non-BBS users to current MacOS/Windows/Linux executables. (If available)



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Deuce is the master of the syncterm website, so you'd need to bring it
up with him. He doesn't frequent DOVE-Net, but you can find him on irc.synchro.net (in #synchronet and other channels) and the syncterm support on sourceforge.net. --

KK - I've reached out to him before about compile stuff and will do again. Again, its no biggy to ME - but for new users a landing page w/ a quick and easy 'Download' button that displays installable executables might help them understand easier.

I'm thankful for all the info and different releases on the page - but I live in the terminal, too. :P



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Yes, I think that's the problem he's describing that he wants to fix..

For example, the MuffinTerm website makes it super easy - a user can download the app or open in an App Store easily. (I know thats not SyncTERM, but... for example.)

https://muffinterm.app



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Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 2023 06:20 pm

For example, the MuffinTerm website makes it super easy - a user can download the app or open in an App Store easily. (I know thats not SyncTERM, but... for example.)

https://muffinterm.app

I feel like comparing a mobile app to a desktop app this way is like comparing apples & oranges.. Naturally there will be some differences. But I think the SyncTerm web site is fairly easy too. There are download links for SyncTerm for Windows and MacOS toward the bottom of the page, just like there are links to MuffinTerm in the app store at the bottom of that page. It's not really clear to me what the difference is that you're pointing out.

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But I think the SyncTerm web site is fairly easy too. There are
download links for SyncTerm for Windows and MacOS toward the bottom of
the page

KK - no worries... I only was thinking of more non-BBS folks, but agree - I can fully navigate the ST site. :P



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Question about SyncTERM, and the ST website - is there any interest in updating its style/website? Its... really retro - and fine for US, but is really a blockade for new users, or younger users...

I think it would go a long way to help foster new users to our wonderful community.

The site is hideous, but I think Deuce likes it that way.

The gigantic waving flag was an "enhancement" following frequent complaints that people couldn't find the download link. They still have trouble locating it. I don't even recognize it as a download link until I stop being distracted by the minty horror of the page and focus on reading.

I don't think we're going to get a lot of newcomers and young people coming along, but in general it's good for a website to sort of meet expectations / conventions so that the average visitor will grasp how to navigate it. So, to that end, maybe I'll throw together an updated version of the site and offer it to him.

(This is my first DOVE-Net post from my new web UI, so apologies if anything's wonky with the formatting.)

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Re: SyncTERM website...
By: echicken to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 2023 08:42 pm

(This is my first DOVE-Net post from my new web UI, so apologies if anything's wonky with the formatting.)

Your message (as received here over DOVE-Net) had 2 tear lines, which is a bit unusual. I thought there were measures in place (in sbbs at least) to insure that couldn't happen. Consider using "-- \n" as your signature separator instead of "---\n". Section 4.3 of https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3676.txt
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Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 2023 06:20 pm

For example, the MuffinTerm website makes it super easy - a user can downloa the app or open in an App Store easily. (I know thats not SyncTERM, but... f

s/download the app or//

*shakes fist*

But I digress..

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Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 2023 08:03 pm

But I think the SyncTerm web site is fairly easy too. There are
download links for SyncTerm for Windows and MacOS toward the bottom of
the page

KK - no worries... I only was thinking of more non-BBS folks, but agree - I can fully navigate the ST site. :P

I had another look, and on 2nd thought, I think the page probably could be improved. Above the download links at the bottom, it says "the below links are almost certainly not what you want". The 'actual' download link is more toward the middle (under the flag), and there's also another link that says "or here". The page probably could be simplified a bit. And the color scheme could be better, I think.

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we won't have any 'young' users, or any people that can't navigate a website. that is if you dont factor in people who call bbses once and never again.

Yes, I think that's the problem he's describing that he wants to fix..

That was my impression also.


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Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Tue Dec 12 2023 06:20 pm

Yes, I think that's the problem he's describing that he wants to fix..

For example, the MuffinTerm website makes it super easy - a user can downloa >
https://muffinterm.app

Muffinterm is only for Mac right?



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Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
By: Hustler to paulie420 on Wed Dec 13 2023 07:21 pm

Muffinterm is only for Mac right?

iOS too.
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https://muffinterm.app

Muffinterm is only for Mac right?

Yea - think so... I use it on my iPhone and iOS devices - its decent, but SyncTERM IMO is the app to beat.



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paulie420 wrote to MRO <=-

you both are understanding me wrong.
We dont have users.
And the people that are too dumb to download syncterm when dude has tons of links on the site wouldn't be good users that would stick around.

2oFB has 'users' - young ones who call once... and twice - and
then call back and chat for a year.

Its mostly because I market, runs ads in unique places and engage
them in a nice and welcoming way when they pop up and say hey, I
found a post on reddit or FB or at VCFSOCAL... but yea, 'we don't
have users'. :P

MRO wrote "we" dont' have users, when he should have written "I" don't
have users. That's because he has a crap board not even accessible to
the public, and doesn't really know how to actually run a good one. He
also doesn't understand words like "market" and "engage".

He can't seem to realize that although it isn't like it was 25 years
ago, there are still BBSs that get callers.

I have a few users too, some that call every single day. Rock on.



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Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
By: Gamgee to paulie420 on Thu Dec 14 2023 02:28 pm

there are still BBSs that get callers.

I have a few users too, some that call every single day. Rock on.

I've had some regulars too (and sometimes they come and go), and at least some of them, I'm pretty sure aren't sysops of other BBSes.

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? I went away in 97 until 2017 - adulting, and all.
But 90-97 was a fun time..

Similar time-frames, my friend! I consider my "active" years to be
1992-1996. Retruned around 2018. It's a different time now, but still a
blast.

I really dig the way you've been able to attract/educate a whole new crop
of folks to BBSing with your outreach, welcome and patient explanations.

My favorite thing is when people return to BBSing, while they often
express surprise it still exists, they are so glad it does.

I agree -- the syncterm site could use a little modernization, and
it's a geat program. I'll also point more tech-savvy folks to IcyTerm,
MagiTerm and Netrunner (I know you do, too)!

Cheers,


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Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Thu Dec 14 2023 07:04 pm

I've had some regulars too (and sometimes they come and go), and at least some of them, I'm pretty sure aren't sysops of other BBSes.

I have around 12 regulars... maybe half of them are other sysops.

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Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
By: Gamgee to paulie420 on Thu Dec 14 2023 02:28 pm

there are still BBSs that get callers.

I have a few users too, some that call every single day. Rock on.

I've had some regulars too (and sometimes they come and go), and
at least some of them, I'm pretty sure aren't sysops of other
BBSes.

Yes, that's good. I'm very sure many of my users are not sysops,
although some are.

MRO is somewhat detached from reality. ;-)



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? I went away in 97 until 2017 - adulting, and all.
But 90-97 was a fun time..

Similar time-frames, my friend! I consider my "active" years to be 1992-1996. Retruned around 2018. It's a different time now, but still a blast.

:P MRO is just the local arsehole - always has been...



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Re: Re: SyncTERM website...
By: paulie420 to j0HNNY a1PHA on Fri Dec 15 2023 21:24:00

:P MRO is just the local arsehole - always has been...

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j0HNNY a1PHA wrote to paulie420 <=-

Similar time-frames, my friend! I consider my "active" years to be 1992-1996. Retruned around 2018. It's a different time now, but still a blast.

Those were good times for BBSing. I called BBSes starting in 1987,
started my own in 1991, and during that period remember the BBS being
busy almost full-time until I got a BlueWave offline message reader door
in 1993 or so. Windows 95 came out and we were all in denial, but could
see the number of callers drop.

I went mail-only in 2001 and at that point my BBS had something like
74,000 calls in 10 years.



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