• Political violence

    From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to All on Tue Nov 8 11:21:32 2022
    Austin Gene Gibbs, 26, was arrested for a fatal shooting in Okeana, Ohio. The victim, Anthony Lee King, was doing yardwork at the time.

    According to the victim's family, Gibbs had confronted King multiple times because "[Gibbs] thought [King] was a Democrat."

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Nov 8 21:54:33 2022
    According to the victim's family, Gibbs had confronted King multiple
    times because "[Gibbs] thought [King] was a Democrat."

    Where's the "violent rhetoric by conservatives" to accompany this story?

    Rawstory.com is MSN's source for the story. Rawstory.com claims "the victim's son said it was because he thought my dad was a Democrat." However, a motive
    in a murder isn't determined by "the victim's son."

    Other news outlets, like fox19.com, do NOT mention the victim's son's observations, and it even says "It is unknown why the shooting occurred, however, the investigation is ongoing."

    Your BS is hereby debunked.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 9 08:27:56 2022
    On 08 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    According to the victim's family, Gibbs had confronted King multiple times because "[Gibbs] thought [King] was a Democrat."
    Where's the "violent rhetoric by conservatives" to accompany this story?

    That the murder was influenced by violent political rhetoric is a distinct possibility.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 9 08:31:02 2022
    On 08 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Rawstory.com is MSN's source for the story. Rawstory.com claims "the victim's son said it was because he thought my dad was a Democrat." However, a motive in a murder isn't determined by "the victim's son."

    How did you come up with that conclusion? Statements about a murderer's
    mindset leading up to the murder can absolutely offer insight into the murderer's motive.

    Other news outlets, like fox19.com, do NOT mention the victim's son's observations, and it even says "It is unknown why the shooting occurred, however, the investigation is ongoing."

    Ok.

    Your BS is hereby debunked.

    No, it's not. The victim's son did say that, regardless of whether
    "fox19.com" included it in their reporting or not.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wed Nov 9 16:42:00 2022
    Rawstory.com is MSN's source for the story. Rawstory.com claims "the victim's son said it was because he thought my dad was a Democrat." However, a motive in a murder isn't determined by "the victim's son."

    How did you come up with that conclusion? Statements about a murderer's mindset leading up to the murder can absolutely offer insight into the murderer's motive.

    Motive for a murder is usually determined by investigation, and then in a
    court of law. The son could also have his own motivations, especially
    since he is the victim's son.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Nov 9 19:06:48 2022
    Your BS is hereby debunked.

    No, it's not. The victim's son did say that, regardless of whether "fox19.com" included it in their reporting or not.

    How do you know? Did you hear him say it? Why is it that the only person in
    the world who "heard him say it" was a lousy news site called "rawstory.com?" How did this story of "racially motivated homicide" bypass all of the other news outlets? (You know, the news outlets that people have heard of before?)

    Just because you have a link to it, doesn't mean that it really happened.
    Let's hear the msm talk all this racial stuff that they (on a normal day) would love to be talking about.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 9 17:11:56 2022
    On 09 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Rawstory.com is MSN's source for the story. Rawstory.com claims "th victim's son said it was because he thought my dad was a Democrat." However, a motive in a murder isn't determined by "the victim's son
    How did you come up with that conclusion? Statements about a murderer's mindset leading up to the murder can absolutely offer insight into the murderer's motive.
    Motive for a murder is usually determined by investigation, and then in a court of law. The son could also have his own motivations, especially since he is the victim's son.

    And what is an investigation? Is it, like, talking to witnesses and stuff, to find out what happened and why?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 9 23:09:42 2022
    How did you come up with that conclusion? Statements about a murderer's mindset leading up to the murder can absolutely offer insight into the murderer's motive.

    Motive for a murder is usually determined by investigation, and then in a court of law. The son could also have his own motivations, especially since he is the victim's son.

    But Jeff said that the victim's son is who ultimately declares the motivation of the crime, not the detectives. I hope they can get this guy's son's opinion on some other crimes that have occurred, because we sure can use his insight.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 9 17:33:19 2022
    On 09 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Your BS is hereby debunked.
    No, it's not. The victim's son did say that, regardless of whether "fox19.com" included it in their reporting or not.
    How do you know? Did you hear him say it? Why is it that the only person in the world who "heard him say it" was a lousy news site called "rawstory.com?"

    It was reported on by the Butler County Journal-News: https://tinyurl.com/tdrdr65y

    How did this story of "racially motivated homicide"

    I never said that it was racially motivated; I said that it was politically motivated. Race is a detail that you've added.

    bypass all of the other news outlets? (You know, the news outlets that people have heard of before?)

    MSN appears to have picked it up from the Journal-News: https://tinyurl.com/3wa9ta59

    Just because you have a link to it, doesn't mean that it really happened.

    If that link comes from a reputable news site, there's a pretty good chance that it did happen.

    Let's hear the msm talk all this racial stuff that they (on a normal
    day) would love to be talking about.

    Again, race was a detail that you added. I don't recall reading about the
    race of any of the persons involved.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 9 17:51:08 2022
    On 09 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    How did you come up with that conclusion? Statements about a murder mindset leading up to the murder can absolutely offer insight into murderer's motive.
    Motive for a murder is usually determined by investigation, and then court of law. The son could also have his own motivations, especiall since he is the victim's son.
    But Jeff said that the victim's son is who ultimately declares the motivation of the crime, not the detectives. I hope they can get this guy's son's opinion on some other crimes that have occurred, because we sure can use his insight.

    Where do you think detectives get their information from? Who would be in the best position to know what was going on between the two neighbors if not the people who lived there?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Nov 9 23:47:24 2022
    It was reported on by the Butler County Journal-News: https://tinyurl.com/tdrdr65y

    This is all it says about anything political:

    "The family told the dispatcher neighbor had confronted him before about some perceived political affiliation."

    I can't find the part where it says "Son of victim graduates from police academy and then declares the murder was politically motivated."

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 9 21:13:26 2022
    On 09 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    It was reported on by the Butler County Journal-News: https://tinyurl.com/tdrdr65y
    This is all it says about anything political:
    "The family told the dispatcher neighbor had confronted him before about some perceived political affiliation."

    No, it's not. Further down, the victim's wife is quoted as saying that "[h]e has come over like four times confronting my husband because he thought he
    was a Democrat."

    I can't find the part where it says "Son of victim graduates from police academy and then declares the murder was politically motivated."

    That's because you made that up. I noticed that you've been claiming that it was the son who said that the murder was politically motivated, when nowhere does it say that, just to see if maybe you'd correct yourself. In fact, the
    son is only quoted as saying that the neighbor "has come over multiple times making statements. He's insane."

    So now you've inserted race where there was none, misquoted the son,
    implied that witnesses need to be graduates of a police academy in order to provide testimony to the police, and selectively quoted the wife by leaving
    out a key statement. That's a lot of errors you've racked up.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Nov 10 16:55:00 2022
    Rawstory.com is MSN's source for the story. Rawstory.com claims "t
    victim's son said it was because he thought my dad was a Democrat.
    However, a motive in a murder isn't determined by "the victim's so
    How did you come up with that conclusion? Statements about a murderer's
    mindset leading up to the murder can absolutely offer insight into the murderer's motive.
    Motive for a murder is usually determined by investigation, and then in a
    court of law. The son could also have his own motivations, especially since he is the victim's son.

    And what is an investigation? Is it, like, talking to witnesses and stuff, to find out what happened and why?

    They would likely talk to more than one witness to find out what happened
    and why, if at all possible.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 10 19:51:05 2022
    On 10 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Rawstory.com is MSN's source for the story. Rawstory.com cla "t
    victim's son said it was because he thought my dad was a Democrat.
    However, a motive in a murder isn't determined by "the victi so
    How did you come up with that conclusion? Statements about a murderer's
    mindset leading up to the murder can absolutely offer insight int murderer's motive.
    Motive for a murder is usually determined by investigation, and the a
    court of law. The son could also have his own motivations, especia since he is the victim's son.
    And what is an investigation? Is it, like, talking to witnesses and stuf find out what happened and why?
    They would likely talk to more than one witness to find out what happened and why, if at all possible.

    It sounds like they did talk to more than one witness. The victim's son (who did not say what Aaron claims he said) and the victim's wife (who did say
    what Aaron claims the victim's son said) were both individually referenced,
    and there were other statements simply attributed to the victim's family. At least one of those witnesses identified a motive, and another corroborated a pattern of harassment.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Nov 11 02:34:07 2022
    It sounds like they did talk to more than one witness. The victim's son (who did not say what Aaron claims he said) and the victim's wife (who
    did say what Aaron claims the victim's son said) were both individually referenced, and there were other statements simply attributed to the victim's family. At least one of those witnesses identified a motive,
    and another corroborated a pattern of harassment.

    Let's find out how we can link it to "violent rhetoric" from "Republicans."

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 11 08:26:09 2022
    On 11 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    It sounds like they did talk to more than one witness. The victim's s (who did not say what Aaron claims he said) and the victim's wife (wh did say what Aaron claims the victim's son said) were both individual referenced, and there were other statements simply attributed to the victim's family. At least one of those witnesses identified a motive, and another corroborated a pattern of harassment.
    Let's find out how we can link it to "violent rhetoric" from "Republicans."

    Republicans' violent rhetoric normalizes violence against Democrats,
    Republican supporters attack Democrat supporters (or, in this case, those who they believe to be Democrat supporters).

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Nov 11 15:06:00 2022
    Republicans' violent rhetoric normalizes violence against Democrats, Republican supporters attack Democrat supporters (or, in this case, those who they believe to be Democrat supporters).

    During the Trump years, Maxine Waters and others voiced support for persons attacking Republicans in public. Soon, several persons associated with his White House found themselves the target of threats and verbal assult in
    public. Several Republicans were shot at, and some hit, practicing for the Congressional baseball game by a left-wing activist who verified with other attendees that it was indeed the Republican team practicing before later opening fire. Another was beaten up in his yard at his home, requiring hospitalization.

    I seem to remember being told that Maxine and others who ran their mouths
    in similar manners didn't have anything to do with these attacks. Waters is still serving in Congress.

    Pot-kettle-black.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Nov 11 15:55:30 2022
    Republicans' violent rhetoric normalizes violence against Democrats, Republican supporters attack Democrat supporters (or, in this case,
    those who they believe to be Democrat supporters).

    You've got no link from Republican rhetoric to the Ohio murder.

    No Republican has told people to injure or kill Democrats.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 11 21:17:08 2022
    Republicans' violent rhetoric normalizes violence against Democrats, Republican supporters attack Democrat supporters (or, in this case, thos they believe to be Democrat supporters).

    During the Trump years, Maxine Waters and others voiced support for persons attacking Republicans in public. Soon, several persons

    Thanks Mike! I forgot about those events. Yea poor ol Steve Scalise got shot
    in the hip (by a leftist) along with 4 others. Gabby Giffords too (not sure if that one was at the hands of a left wing activist but probably!)

    The shooter was a left wing activist, the victims were Republican members of congress, but 3 months after the shooting there was still "no motive"
    ascribed by the FBI. But it only takes 3 seconds for Jeff to give us the motive for the "he thought my husband was a Democrat" shooting in Ohio.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 11 16:57:57 2022
    On 11 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    During the Trump years, Maxine Waters and others voiced support for persons attacking Republicans in public. Soon, several persons
    associated with his White House found themselves the target of threats
    and verbal assult in public. Several Republicans were shot at, and some hit, practicing for the Congressional baseball game by a left-wing activist who verified with other attendees that it was indeed the Republican team practicing before later opening fire. Another was
    beaten up in his yard at his home, requiring hospitalization.
    I seem to remember being told that Maxine and others who ran their mouths in similar manners didn't have anything to do with these attacks.
    Waters is still serving in Congress.

    Then you believe it's possible for the words of politicians to incite
    violence?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 11 17:02:57 2022
    On 11 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Republicans' violent rhetoric normalizes violence against Democrats, Republican supporters attack Democrat supporters (or, in this case, those who they believe to be Democrat supporters).
    You've got no link from Republican rhetoric to the Ohio murder.

    I never said I did. I said that it was political violence. It's certainly possible that it was influenced by election-related rhetoric.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 11 17:22:03 2022
    On 11 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Thanks Mike! I forgot about those events. Yea poor ol Steve Scalise got shot in the hip (by a leftist) along with 4 others. Gabby Giffords too (not sure if that one was at the hands of a left wing activist but probably!)

    Gabby Giffords was a Democrat. Her husband, Mark Kelly, was just re-elected
    as a Democrat Senator for Arizona. Giffords was shot by Jared Lee Loughner at
    a constituent meeting, and Loughner also killed 6 other people -- One a US District Court Judge and another a 9-year-old child. Loughner's online
    writings and videos were described as "almost exclusively conservative and anti-government, with echoes of the populist campaigning of the Tea Party Movement."

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sat Nov 12 01:54:44 2022
    Gabby Giffords was a Democrat. Her husband, Mark Kelly, was just re-elected as a Democrat Senator for Arizona. Giffords was shot by Jared Lee Loughner at a constituent meeting, and Loughner also killed 6 other people -- One a US District Court Judge and another a 9-year-old child. Loughner's online writings and videos were described as "almost exclusively conservative and anti-government, with echoes of the
    populist campaigning of the Tea Party Movement."

    But you don't mention that he was (according to Wiki) an alcoholic and drug abuser, diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, and was found incompetent to stand trial.

    It would be interesting if, some day, we recall a sane person making a conscious choice to kill or attack people over their liberal political beliefs.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sat Nov 12 10:39:00 2022
    During the Trump years, Maxine Waters and others voiced support for persons attacking Republicans in public. Soon, several persons associated with his White House found themselves the target of threats and verbal assult in public. Several Republicans were shot at, and some hit, practicing for the Congressional baseball game by a left-wing activist who verified with other attendees that it was indeed the Republican team practicing before later opening fire. Another was beaten up in his yard at his home, requiring hospitalization.
    I seem to remember being told that Maxine and others who ran their mouths
    in similar manners didn't have anything to do with these attacks.
    Waters is still serving in Congress.

    Then you believe it's possible for the words of politicians to incite violence?

    I used to, but then I was told here and by some in the media that could not happen. Unless the non-conservative posters here and the media were lying
    back then, I have no choice but to take their word for it.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Nov 12 10:40:00 2022
    Republicans' violent rhetoric normalizes violence against Democrats, Republican supporters attack Democrat supporters (or, in this case, tho
    they believe to be Democrat supporters).

    During the Trump years, Maxine Waters and others voiced support for persons attacking Republicans in public. Soon, several persons

    Thanks Mike! I forgot about those events. Yea poor ol Steve Scalise got shot in the hip (by a leftist) along with 4 others.

    Some want us to forget that, and forget they said that Waters and others
    had nothing to do with any confrontations or attacks, so they can finger
    point now.

    What reminded me was the win of Sarah Huckabee Sanders in Arkansas. Her problems, and the problems of others, with going out in public in DC during
    the time immediately after Waters' comments was mentioned during CBS
    coverage of her election night lead.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Nov 12 10:26:57 2022
    On 12 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Gabby Giffords was a Democrat. Her husband, Mark Kelly, was just re-elected as a Democrat Senator for Arizona. Giffords was shot by Ja Lee Loughner at a constituent meeting, and Loughner also killed 6 oth people -- One a US District Court Judge and another a 9-year-old chil Loughner's online writings and videos were described as "almost exclusively conservative and anti-government, with echoes of the populist campaigning of the Tea Party Movement."
    But you don't mention that he was (according to Wiki) an alcoholic and drug abuser, diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, and was found incompetent to stand trial.

    Nevertheless, he was a conservative and he attacked a political target.

    It would be interesting if, some day, we recall a sane person making a conscious choice to kill or attack people over their liberal political beliefs.

    You mean like the guy that killed his neighbor because he thought he was a Democrat?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 12 10:44:37 2022
    On 12 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Then you believe it's possible for the words of politicians to incite violence?
    I used to, but then I was told here and by some in the media that could not happen. Unless the non-conservative posters here and the media were lying back then, I have no choice but to take their word for it.

    What Maxine Waters said was that if certain things occurred, Democrats would need to become "more confrontational," meaning more protests, more participation, more lawsuits, etc. "More confrontational" is far less violent rhetoric than comparing Democrats to feral hogs, followed by footage of the politician in a helicopter shooting feral hogs.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sat Nov 12 18:55:14 2022
    But you don't mention that he was (according to Wiki) an alcoholic an drug abuser, diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, and was found incompetent to stand trial.

    Nevertheless, he was a conservative and he attacked a political target.

    It would be ignorant and misleading to say "conservatives are committing political violence," while the truth seems to be that "mentally ill people are committing political violence."

    It would be interesting if, some day, we recall a sane person making conscious choice to kill or attack people over their liberal politica beliefs.

    You mean like the guy that killed his neighbor because he thought he was
    a Democrat?

    Doesn't that sound insane to you? To go around shooting people just because they support human smuggling and/or fentanyl importation, that would be insane.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sat Nov 12 19:05:43 2022
    I used to, but then I was told here and by some in the media that cou not happen. Unless the non-conservative posters here and the media w lying back then, I have no choice but to take their word for it.

    What Maxine Waters said was that if certain things occurred, Democrats would need to become "more confrontational," meaning more protests, more participation, more lawsuits, etc. "More confrontational" is far less violent rhetoric than comparing Democrats to feral hogs, followed by footage of the politician in a helicopter shooting feral hogs.

    You're trying to use selective-memory to defend the old bag, but you're only recalling her comments regarding the Derek Chauvin trial. But back in 2018 she had this to say:

    "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere."

    Why? We elected Trump; so why should we treat his cabinet like garbage instead of working with them? If you have a problem with CIA policy, why not contact Gina Haspel's office instead of throwing poop at her while she's having dinner with her family? Why is politically violent rhetoric ok for Maxine but not for Trump?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Nov 13 00:37:33 2022
    On 12 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    But you don't mention that he was (according to Wiki) an alcohol drug abuser, diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, and was foun incompetent to stand trial.
    Nevertheless, he was a conservative and he attacked a political targe
    It would be ignorant and misleading to say "conservatives are committing political violence," while the truth seems to be that "mentally ill
    people are committing political violence."

    Would it be reasonable to conclude that mentally-ill conservatives are committing political violence?

    It would be interesting if, some day, we recall a sane person ma conscious choice to kill or attack people over their liberal pol beliefs.
    You mean like the guy that killed his neighbor because he thought he a Democrat?
    Doesn't that sound insane to you? To go around shooting people just because they support human smuggling and/or fentanyl importation, that would be insane.

    That would be political violence fueled by misinformation.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Nov 13 00:40:12 2022
    On 12 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I used to, but then I was told here and by some in the media tha not happen. Unless the non-conservative posters here and the me lying back then, I have no choice but to take their word for it.
    What Maxine Waters said was that if certain things occurred, Democrat would need to become "more confrontational," meaning more protests, m participation, more lawsuits, etc. "More confrontational" is far less violent rhetoric than comparing Democrats to feral hogs, followed by footage of the politician in a helicopter shooting feral hogs.
    You're trying to use selective-memory to defend the old bag, but you're only recalling her comments regarding the Derek Chauvin trial. But back
    in 2018 she had this to say:
    "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere."


    Ooh, "tell them they're not welcome." That sounds sooo violent.

    Why? We elected Trump; so why should we treat his cabinet like garbage instead of working with them? If you have a problem with CIA policy, why not contact Gina Haspel's office instead of throwing poop at her while she's having dinner with her family? Why is politically violent rhetoric ok for Maxine but not for Trump?

    People have a right to speak their minds. "Tell them they're not welcome" is not violent rhetoric.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Nov 13 10:47:00 2022
    It would be ignorant and misleading to say "conservatives are committing political violence," while the truth seems to be that "mentally ill people are
    committing political violence."

    The group that thought they were committing an attack against Michigan
    Governor Whitmer were originally an unmotivated group that didn't like politicians in general (regardless of party). After being infiltrated by
    the FBI, they gained motivation and were assisted with choosing their
    Democrat governor target.

    That is why, after initial full press coverage as "conservative radicals,"
    they quickly fell out of the news cycle.

    Same thing with the Muslim attacks in the southwest. When it was initially thought to be a "conservative" attacking them, it was all over the news.
    Once it was found out to be a fellow Muslim, and that the victims were not
    so random, it faded away.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sun Nov 13 10:55:00 2022
    Why? We elected Trump; so why should we treat his cabinet like garbage instead of working with them? If you have a problem with CIA policy, why not contact Gina Haspel's office instead of throwing poop at her while she's having dinner with her family? Why is politically violent rhetoric ok for Maxine but not for Trump?

    People have a right to speak their minds. "Tell them they're not welcome" is not violent rhetoric.

    They were concerned enough that they didn't want to be out in public. CBS
    News thought it was worthy enough of mention again during election coverage
    on Tuesday.

    Jeff T, OTOH, thinks it is not worthy of mention cause, you know, it makes
    his side look bad.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Nov 13 16:16:38 2022
    It would be ignorant and misleading to say "conservatives are committ political violence," while the truth seems to be that "mentally ill people are committing political violence."

    Would it be reasonable to conclude that mentally-ill conservatives are committing political violence?

    Yes, I agree with that conclusion.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Nov 13 16:19:16 2022
    Ooh, "tell them they're not welcome." That sounds sooo violent.

    The George Floyd Riots of 2020 weren't supposed to be violent, but they devolved into it.

    People have a right to speak their minds. "Tell them they're not
    welcome" is not violent rhetoric.

    Telling people who live in DC that they're not welcome in DC *IS* violent.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sun Nov 13 22:30:34 2022
    Same thing with the Muslim attacks in the southwest. When it was initially thought to be a "conservative" attacking them, it was all over the news. Once it was found out to be a fellow Muslim, and that the victims were not so random, it faded away.

    Republicans should have a "campaign" against fake news and propaganda, but
    they have no ambition. I doubt that a single person at any RNC office has accepted the reality that we need to improve our media infrastructure; they just keep going with the faulty logic of "Democrats do bad stuff so voters will vote for us." That, and they continue to only try to appeal to their own base; it's time to be a bit liberal on some issues to steal some moderates, and to stick it to the media.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Nov 14 07:44:14 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    It would be ignorant and misleading to say "conservatives are
    committing political violence," while the truth seems to be that
    "mentally ill people are committing political violence."

    I think that implies that the liberals are mentally ill (well, it's not really an implication since they are).


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Nov 14 16:23:00 2022
    Republicans should have a "campaign" against fake news and propaganda, but they have no ambition. I doubt that a single person at any RNC office has accepted the reality that we need to improve our media infrastructure; they just keep going with the faulty logic of "Democrats do bad stuff so voters
    il
    vote for us." That, and they continue to only try to appeal to their own
    ase;
    it's time to be a bit liberal on some issues to steal some moderates, and to stick it to the media.

    The people who are targets of that "fake news" are not going to believe the reality when it is told to them, and vice-versa.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Mon Nov 14 22:51:37 2022
    vote for us." That, and they continue to only try to appeal to their own
    ase;
    it's time to be a bit liberal on some issues to steal some moderates, an stick it to the media.

    The people who are targets of that "fake news" are not going to believe the reality when it is told to them, and vice-versa.

    You're right about that. There's no convincing anyone of much. People get disproportionately attached to the Democrat party for irrational reasons, but then again, they'll say those same words back at me.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 16 01:19:45 2022
    Hello Aaron,

    It would be ignorant and misleading to say "conservatives are
    committ
    political violence," while the truth seems to be that "mentally
    ill
    people are committing political violence."

    Would it be reasonable to conclude that mentally-ill conservatives
    are
    committing political violence?

    Yes, I agree with that conclusion.

    Yes, Donald J. Trump is nuts. Even his niece, Mary Trump (a clinical psychologist) recognizes that. She even wrote a book about it.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Nov 16 03:12:33 2022
    Yes, Donald J. Trump is nuts. Even his niece, Mary Trump (a clinical psychologist) recognizes that. She even wrote a book about it.

    I have nieces. They don't know jack about me. They can write a book about me
    if they want, but it won't be very accurate.

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  • From Matt Munson@1:218/109 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Nov 13 20:47:34 2022

    Hello Aaron!

    Replying to a msg dated 13 Nov 22 16:19, from you to Jeff Thiele.

    Id rather visit a foreign country than to visit DC right now. WHY reward idiots with my money.


    Matt


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  • From Matt Munson@1:218/109 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Nov 16 21:16:00 2022

    Hello Lee!

    Replying to a msg dated 16 Nov 22 01:19, from you to Aaron Thomas.

    Why fight Trump when he is the best thing for the Democratic Party?

    Matt


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 23 17:12:45 2022
    Hello Aaron,

    Yes, Donald J. Trump is nuts. Even his niece, Mary Trump (a clinical
    psychologist) recognizes that. She even wrote a book about it.

    I have nieces. They don't know jack about me. They can write a book about me
    if they want, but it won't be very accurate.

    That may be. But Donald Trump's niece is different, as she has
    a certificate to prove it. And that makes Donald Trump certifiably
    nuts.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Nov 24 00:03:29 2022
    if they want, but it won't be very accurate.

    That may be. But Donald Trump's niece is different, as she has
    a certificate to prove it. And that makes Donald Trump certifiably
    nuts.

    To know so much about Trump, and not be a Trump fan, there's a word for that. An acronym actually! ;)

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