Ok, tovarish
By the way, on Monday a Tulsa, Oklahoma donut shop was fire-bombed for hosting drag-queen-related events. Anti-LGBTQ filers were left at neighboring businesses and a hate-filled anti-LGBTQ screed was left at the scene of the crime.
How's *that* for "cultural terrorism?"
By the way, on Monday a Tulsa, Oklahoma donut shop was fire-bombed for hosting drag-queen-related events. Anti-LGBTQ filers were left at neighb businesses and a hate-filled anti-LGBTQ screed was left at the scene of crime.It counts, just as the businesses that were firebombed by leftist protesters during the 2020 Summer of "Love," some of which were owned by fellow people of color.
How's *that* for "cultural terrorism?"
On 03 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
forBy the way, on Monday a Tulsa, Oklahoma donut shop was fire-bombed
neighbhosting drag-queen-related events. Anti-LGBTQ filers were left at
ofbusinesses and a hate-filled anti-LGBTQ screed was left at the scene
bycrime.It counts, just as the businesses that were firebombed by leftist protesters during the 2020 Summer of "Love," some of which were owned
How's *that* for "cultural terrorism?"
fellow people of color.
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, church burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives have been
responsible for.
Jeff.
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Actually this is a lie. This is a purposeful lie. You know this very
well.
Slavery was part of the world economic system in those days.
The biggest empires in Africa were created by black people to oppress black people. If my memory serves me, slavery was abolished in Ethiopia
in 1935. Arab rulers and princes bought black slaves from black masters until the middle of the 20th century. But how about talking about
slavery over whites? Why don't Africans want to apologize for the raids
of the Birbary pirates and the slave markets where white children and women were sold? This happened in the middle of the 19th century. Black with blue eyes for their harems.
Sorry, but your whole story is false,
like the whole communist ideology. You only want to know what is convenient for you at the moment.
Instead of condemning vicious economic
practices, communists create groups for "mental terrorism". Would you to go to Turkey or Libya, or maybe Ethiopia to condemn the practice of
human trafficking?
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, church burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives have been responsible for.
Slavery was part of the world economic system in those days.
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, ch burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives h been responsible for.Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, because
you're the most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in this echo.
Lynchings, church burnings, and other forms of "cultural terrorism" perpetrated by conservatives continued long after the abolition of
slavery in the US, and comtinues to this day.
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, ch burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives h been responsible for.Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, because
you're the most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in this echo.
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynching burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservati been responsible for.Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, because you're the most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in this echo.
Conservatism: commitment to traditional values and ideas with opposition
Lynchings, church burnings, and other forms of "cultural terrorism" perpetrated by conservatives continued long after the abolition of slavery in the US, and comtinues to this day.You're wrong to call them "conservatives." Prove it! Did you see their ballots?
Conservatism: commitment to traditional values and ideas with oppositThat does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lyn burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conse been responsible for.Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, beca you're the most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in this e
I knew you didn't have any examples.Conservatism: commitment to traditional values and ideas with oppositThat does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lyn burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conse been responsible for.Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, beca you're the most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in this e
Actually this is a lie. This is a purposeful lie. You know this very well. Slavery was part of the world economic system in those days.
By the way, on Monday a Tulsa, Oklahoma donut shop was fire-bombed for hosting drag-queen-related events. Anti-LGBTQ filers were left at neighIt counts, just as the businesses that were firebombed by leftist protesters during the 2020 Summer of "Love," some of which were owned by fellow people of color.
businesses and a hate-filled anti-LGBTQ screed was left at the scene of
crime.
How's *that* for "cultural terrorism?"
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, church burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives have been responsible for.
Actually this is a lie. This is a purposeful lie. You know this very well.
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, church burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives have been
responsible for.
No, it's not. And maybe if you learned how to quote correctly, people would know what you're talking about.
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, church
burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives have been responsible for.
Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, because you're the
most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in this echo.
equality. Today, of course, the KKK is firmly Republican, since the Southern Democrats of the late 19th and early 20th centuries switched to the Republican Party.
Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, because you're the most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in this echo.
A timely example would be your ideological soulmate, David DePape, who attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of Democrat Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, you're the most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in tConservatism: commitment to traditional values and ideas with op
Every lynching and church burning is an example. The definition of conservatism combined with the motives of the perpetrators proves it.
However, if you point out some bad things a non-conservative group has done, like firebombing a black business in Minneapolis, or shooting dead
a black man in St. Louis, or taking over several city blocks (and ultimately killing at lesat one person) in Portland, he will claim not
to support those. I would expect that he would not, as no one should
but, using his logic, as a self-professed liberal, he must support those things. They were done by liberals and continuing to vote Democrat
means he supports them.
"Every" is not an example. I looked it up. There was a church burning in Lake
Worth, TX in 1999, but there was no suspect ever arrested (according to Wiki)
so there's no "conservative" involved in that one.
(According to Wiki) there was a series of fires (10) in east Texas in
2010. 3
suspects were arrested. There's no mention of their political beliefs. One of
them was interviewed and said he was targeting churches "because they were corrupt" and that he was under the influence of prescription drugs during the
crime spree. No mention of any of the 3's political beliefs though.
You're full of it. Whenever you post a message using weasel words like "many,
most, usually, etc," it's safe for the reader to disregard the entire
post.
I get what you said about the KKK being "conservative" but the KKK isn't actively participating in political violence, at least not any that the media
is able to find.
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That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, churc burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives have responsible for.Conservative Democrats even.
Conservative Democrats even. I never said it did. I just pointed out that your example counted as did several other recent ones. I am right there with you when it comes to prosecuting persons who fire-bomb donut shops.
I am not the one that has difficulty counting certain mass violence
events while not counting (or hoping everyone else ignores) others.
Actually this is a lie. This is a purposeful lie. You know this very welI don't think he is lying. He is just selectively ignorning other
That does not even begin to compare to the centuries of lynchings, chu burnings, assassinations, and other violent acts that conservatives ha been
responsible for.
things.
No, it's not. And maybe if you learned how to quote correctly, people wo know what you're talking about.He quoted your message. I had no issues understanding what he was responding to.
No, it's not. And maybe if you learned how to quote correctly, people wo know what you're talking about.Some BBSes (including mine, I think) allow people to post via NNTP, like in a newsgroup. Some NNTP readers default to ALL. I can remember when all newsgroup posts were to ALL and you could not select an individual to address it to, unless you responded via email.
Jeff's line of thinking, when it comes to conservatives, is very black
and white. In past he has claimed that by being
conservatives/Republicans we support every bad thing that every conservative has ever done or will ever do so long as we keep voting Republican.
equality. Today, of course, the KKK is firmly Republican, since the Sout Democrats of the late 19th and early 20th centuries switched to the Republican Party.Based on what I know of George H. W. Bush's life, where his family was Republican before that happened, I know that last bit is true in your state of Texas, but it is not true in every state. They did not all switch.
He's a mentally ill illegal immigrant. Have any sane, American "conservatives" done any political violence lately?Please give an example of conservatives who did that stuff, beca you're the most full of it guy in my 11 years of being in this eA timely example would be your ideological soulmate, David DePape, wh attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of Democrat Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
Every lynching and church burning is an example. The definition of conservatism combined with the motives of the perpetrators proves it."Every" is not an example.
"Every" is not an example. I looked it up. There was a church burning in Lake Worth, TX in 1999, but there was no suspect ever arrested
(according to Wiki) so there's no "conservative" involved in that one.
(According to Wiki) there was a series of fires (10) in east Texas in 2010. 3 suspects were arrested. There's no mention of their political beliefs. One of them was interviewed and said he was targeting churches "because they were corrupt" and that he was under the influence of prescription drugs during the crime spree. No mention of any of the 3's political beliefs though.
You're full of it. Whenever you post a message using weasel words like "many, most, usually, etc," it's safe for the reader to disregard the entire post.
I get what you said about the KKK being "conservative" but the KKK isn't actively participating in political violence, at least not any that the media is able to find.
Marxism is formally divided by researchers into three types: Maoism, Leninism, Marcusianism.
Leninism, Marcusianism. All these three philosophical systems of Marxism rely on terror as a means of political struggle.
White supremacists, homophobes, and other bigots are members of the conservative movement/Republican Party, qnd no attempt is made to purge them from the ranks, because the Party needs their votes. You may personally denounce them, and Trump may have denounced them when forced to, but they remain a sizeable part of the GOP base.
He's a mentally ill illegal immigrant. Have any sane, American "conservatives" done any political violence lately?
Are you perhaps forgetting about 1/6/21?
Pelosi's attacker was indeed an illegal immigrant (a Canadian who
mentally ill is debatable. Is someone who subscribes to unsubstantiated conspiracy theories despite the evidence presented to them mentally ill?
Whether or not he is mentally ill, politicians and other people making publicly-accessible statements need to acknowledge that there are
mentally ill people out there who could take their rhetoric literally. There's absolutely no need for that kind of rhetoric in our society, except to get people riled up and primed for violence.
So you condone their acts of violence?White supremacists, homophobes, and other bigots are members of the conservative movement/Republican Party, qnd no attempt is made to pur them from the ranks, because the Party needs their votes. You may personally denounce them, and Trump may have denounced them when forc to, but they remain a sizeable part of the GOP base.
Rightly so.
Just like how the Democrats bank on black supremacist groups
like BLM.
We take what we can get, no matter how ugly or inbred.
It's been almost 2 years. What else?He's a mentally ill illegal immigrant. Have any sane, American "conservatives" done any political violence lately?Are you perhaps forgetting about 1/6/21?
Pelosi's attacker was indeed an illegal immigrant (a Canadian whoYou say "indeed" like you know for sure. Neither of us know for sure. We're just parroting stuff we heard on TV. I haven't seen his passport. Have you?
mentally ill is debatable. Is someone who subscribes to unsubstantiat conspiracy theories despite the evidence presented to them mentally iHonestly, that is not a factor. Doctors don't ask questions about "subscriptions."
Whether or not he is mentally ill, politicians and other people makin publicly-accessible statements need to acknowledge that there are mentally ill people out there who could take their rhetoric literally There's absolutely no need for that kind of rhetoric in our society, except to get people riled up and primed for violence.That's why you should tell Joe to suck it for telling people "if ya take the vaccine you won't get covid." Mentally ill people might take that
old cracker seriously and end up suing.
You have one unsolved church bombing as the basis that conservatives have never bombed churches? You failed to mention that the fire started in an external shed and was carried to the church by the wind.
congregations. There were burnings of black churches after Dylann Roof's racist attack on a Black church in Charleston. There were Black church
racist attack on a Black church in Charleston. There were Black church burnings across the South in 1995 during a national debate over the Confederate flag. And through history, there have been many more.
I'll admit that drug-addled arsonists might be an exception to the rule, and change by statement to "most" church bombings, especially those of Black churches, have been committed by conservatives.
The KKK does not have the political power it once did. Historically, though, they have been responsible for quite a bit of violence and
death. While they may not be as active today, other groups with similar ideologies are.
I agree with what you're saying about Jeff, except how do we really know that "they were liberals?" They seemed pro-crime & pro-Democrat (killed 19 Americans) but we haven't asked them about their political beliefs.
Conservative Democrats even. I never said it did. I just pointed out that your example counted as did several other recent ones. I am right there with you when it comes to prosecuting persons who fire-bomb donut shops.
And I'm right there with you when it comes to people taking advantage of protests to commit property crimes. They should be, and are being, held responsible.
I am not the one that has difficulty counting certain mass violence events while not counting (or hoping everyone else ignores) others.
I'm not ignoring it. I'm just saying that it's done far more by the right. The left does not hoard weaponry and talk about overthrowing the
government by extralegal and/or violent means if they don't like the current administration.
A timely example would be your ideological soulmate, David DePape, who attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of Democrat Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
He's a mentally ill illegal immigrant. Have any sane, American "conservatives"
done any political violence lately?
Every lynching and church burning is an example. The definition of conservatism combined with the motives of the perpetrators proves it.
"Every" is not an example. I looked it up. There was a church burning in Lake Worth, TX in 1999, but there was no suspect ever arrested (according to Wiki) so there's no "conservative" involved in that one.
(According to Wiki) there was a series of fires (10) in east Texas in 2010. 3 suspects were arrested. There's no mention of their political beliefs. One of them was interviewed and said he was targeting churches "because they were corrupt" and that he was under the influence of prescription drugs during the crime spree. No mention of any of the 3's political beliefs though.
Whether or not he is mentally ill, politicians and other people making publicly-accessible statements need to acknowledge that there are mentally ill people out there who could take their rhetoric literally. There's absolutely no need for that kind of rhetoric in our society, except to get people riled up and primed for violence.
You have one unsolved church bombing as the basis that conservatives never bombed churches? You failed to mention that the fire started in external shed and was carried to the church by the wind.So the wind has "conservative" political beliefs? Sounds like hot air to me!
congregations. There were burnings of black churches after Dylann Roo racist attack on a Black church in Charleston. There were Black churcDylan Roof was a conservative? Has he expressed his beliefs about globalism? Did he have a problem with world government or autonomy?
racist attack on a Black church in Charleston. There were Black churc burnings across the South in 1995 during a national debate over the Confederate flag. And through history, there have been many more.Were the arrested party(ies) found to be in possession of Fox News hats?
I'll admit that drug-addled arsonists might be an exception to the ru and change by statement to "most" church bombings, especially those o Black churches, have been committed by conservatives.Come on Jeff. Tell us about the Republican who molested you. Did he tell you something like "Don't worry Jeff, I'm a senator!?" It's ok to cry.
The KKK does not have the political power it once did. Historically, though, they have been responsible for quite a bit of violence and death. While they may not be as active today, other groups with simil ideologies are.Ok, so that answers my previous question. You were molested by a klan member. Maybe those guys are a powerful force in Texas, but they ain't shit up in these parts. You should move out of Texas. You'd love the
home prices here!
You say that, but we don't see much of that on the news.Conservative Democrats even. I never said it did. I just pointed that your example counted as did several other recent ones. I am r there with you when it comes to prosecuting persons who fire-bomb d shops.And I'm right there with you when it comes to people taking advantage of protests to commit property crimes. They should be, and are being, held responsible.
I disagree. As we have discussed before, I have run into people whoI am not the one that has difficulty counting certain mass violence events while not counting (or hoping everyone else ignores) others.I'm not ignoring it. I'm just saying that it's done far more by the righ The left does not hoard weaponry and talk about overthrowing the government by extralegal and/or violent means if they don't like the cur administration.
claim that they themselves are doing so. I also could not help but
notice that many of the protesters in the Pacific NW were using
anti-riot gear. Other protesters brought along gasoline and other flamable substances. Some of them were armed. Sounds like people
looking for violence to me.
One difference that I cannot disagree with is that right-wing nut jobs tend to broadcast their intentions, & be exposed by the press, much more than left-wing nut jobs do.
He's a mentally ill illegal immigrant. Have any sane, American "conservatives"The mentally ill (and apparently under/untreated) goes along with what people who know him say. I have not heard he was an illegal immigrant, but both you and Jeff have said he was, which means he is not an
done any political violence lately?
"American conservative."
Whether or not he is mentally ill, politicians and other people making publicly-accessible statements need to acknowledge that there are mental ill people out there who could take their rhetoric literally. There's absolutely no need for that kind of rhetoric in our society, except to g people riled up and primed for violence.Like using the national stage to claim that conservatives are the biggest threat to democracy?
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White supremacists, homophobes, and other bigots are members of the conservative movement/Republican Party, qnd no attempt is made to purge them from the ranks, because the Party needs their votes. You may personally denounce them, and Trump may have denounced them when forced to, but they remain a sizeable part of the GOP base.
Rightly so. Just like how the Democrats bank on black supremacist
groups like BLM. We take what we can get, no matter how ugly or inbred.
White supremacists, homophobes, and other bigots are members of the conservative movement/Republican Party, qnd no attempt is made to pur them from the ranks, because the Party needs their votes. You may personally denounce them, and Trump may have denounced them when forc to, but they remain a sizeable part of the GOP base.The BLM movement is looking for equality, not for supremacy.
Rightly so. Just like how the Democrats bank on black supremacist groups like BLM. We take what we can get, no matter how ugly or inbre
White supremacists, homophobes, and other bigots are members of conservative movement/Republican Party, qnd no attempt is made t them from the ranks, because the Party needs their votes. You ma personally denounce them, and Trump may have denounced them when to, but they remain a sizeable part of the GOP base.
Rightly so.So you condone their acts of violence?
BLM are not black supremacists. They want to be treated equally.
We take what we can get, no matter how ugly or inbred.
And that is why the GOP is racist, bigoted, and ugly.
It's been almost 2 years. What else?
That is relatively recent, historically speaking. But we have national elections every two years, so you shouldn't have to wait long.
mentally ill is debatable. Is someone who subscribes to unsubsta conspiracy theories despite the evidence presented to them mentaHonestly, that is not a factor. Doctors don't ask questions about "subscriptions."
The "subscriptions" in this case are belief systems. But you knew that. You're just trying to dodge the question because you don't like the answer.
No, it isn't. Biden's statement, while inaccurate, is not an example of violent rhetoric. But you knew that. You just can't find any examples of Democrats utilizing violent rhetoric.
I agree with what you're saying about Jeff, except how do we really know "they were liberals?" They seemed pro-crime & pro-Democrat (killed 19 Americans) but we haven't asked them about their political beliefs.
The ones in the Pacific NW were pretty outwardly vocal about their beliefs. I agree that you technically don't know about the others but,
if we are using the same method of assumption as Jeff, etc., then we
have to assume they were liberals/leftists.
A timely example would be your ideological soulmate, David DePape, attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of Democrat Speaker of the House, Nan Pelosi.
He's a mentally ill illegal immigrant. Have any sane, American "conservatives"
done any political violence lately?
The mentally ill (and apparently under/untreated) goes along with what people who know him say. I have not heard he was an illegal immigrant, but both you and Jeff have said he was, which means he is not an
"American conservative."
He was a white supremacist. White supremacists are almost exclusively conservative, as we've discussed before.
Racism was determined to be the motive, and racists tend to be conservative.
Black churches, have been committed by conservatives.Come on Jeff. Tell us about the Republican who molested you. Did he t you something like "Don't worry Jeff, I'm a senator!?" It's ok to cry
I was never molested by anyone, but why are you so keen on Republicans molesting people? Unable to address the topic at hand, you're attempting to change the subject.
No, it doesn't. It's just you trying to avoid the topic at hand again.
Perhaps, but it was spread across the entire nation, and choosing to leChoosing to leave ANY domestic terrorism out is cherry-picking, which is what one of us (not me) generally does.
out most domestic terrorism is cherry-picking.
Except that's what you've done in this case.
I also find it odd that you questioned things from "the past" in one message, and then have to dredge up examples from the past, to blanace out more recent events, in others.
Past FidoNet practices and historical violence are two very different things.
Armor is defensive. Gasoline is more of an improvised weapon. The
hoarding of firearms demostrates premeditation.
Like using the national stage to claim that conservatives are the biggest
threat to democracy?
That is not violent rhetoric, nor is it what was said. Biden said, "Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic."
I can see how that might be confusing, though. If you believe that all conservatives are MAGA Republicans, then it could be construed to mean that all conservatives are a threat. Likewise, if you believe that all conservatives represent extremism, then it could be construed to mean that all conservatives are a threat. But neither of those are true.
Rightly so. Just like how the Democrats bank on black supremacist groups like BLM. We take what we can get, no matter how ugly or inbre
The BLM movement is looking for equality, not for supremacy.
If Joe takes votes from black supremacists without condemning black supremacy, why can't Trump take votes from white supremacists without condemning white supremacy?So you condone their acts of violence?White supremacists, homophobes, and other bigots are member conservative movement/Republican Party, qnd no attempt is m them from the ranks, because the Party needs their votes. Y personally denounce them, and Trump may have denounced them to, but they remain a sizeable part of the GOP base.Rightly so.
BLM are not black supremacists. They want to be treated equally.They reduced a handicapped accessible playground to ashes in a caucasian neighborhood. That's awfully unequal.
And that is why the DNC caters to criminals.We take what we can get, no matter how ugly or inbred.And that is why the GOP is racist, bigoted, and ugly.
Ok, I'll wait for your examples to become examples, then you can tell all about them.It's been almost 2 years. What else?That is relatively recent, historically speaking. But we have nationa elections every two years, so you shouldn't have to wait long.
You're giving more credit to the idea that he's a Fox News fan than you are to the fact that he's severely mentally ill.The "subscriptions" in this case are belief systems. But you knew tha You're just trying to dodge the question because you don't like the answer.mentally ill is debatable. Is someone who subscribes to uns conspiracy theories despite the evidence presented to themHonestly, that is not a factor. Doctors don't ask questions abou "subscriptions."
No, it isn't. Biden's statement, while inaccurate, is not an example violent rhetoric. But you knew that. You just can't find any examples Democrats utilizing violent rhetoric.This Biden gaffe had the potential to cost more than 5 lives (the # lost on 1/6.) I think even you were saying "take the vaccine and you won't get covid." Because you trust the lying-leftist community. You were
parroting the same BS that demented Joe was parroting. It's a sickness that your species has (salmonella or something!)
Jeff doesn't give examples because it goes against the philosophy of vagueness.The mentally ill (and apparently under/untreated) goes along with wha people who know him say. I have not heard he was an illegal immigran but both you and Jeff have said he was, which means he is not an "American conservative."A timely example would be your ideological soulmate, David DeP attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of Democrat Speaker of the House Pelosi.He's a mentally ill illegal immigrant. Have any sane, American "conservatives"
done any political violence lately?
He was a white supremacist. White supremacists are almost exclusively conservative, as we've discussed before.You've discussed that with yourself. You have an obsession with white supremacists, and a delusional idea that you know everyone's political beliefs based on their skin color.
Racism was determined to be the motive, and racists tend to be conservative.What's your source for "racists tend to be conservative?"
Your answers are so phony that it reminds me of the episode of Family Guy where Lois' brother wanted to kill fat guys (he walked in on a fat guy doing stuff with his mom one day, and held an irrational grudge ever since.)I was never molested by anyone, but why are you so keen on Republican molesting people? Unable to address the topic at hand, you're attempt to change the subject.Black churches, have been committed by conservatives.Come on Jeff. Tell us about the Republican who molested you. Did you something like "Don't worry Jeff, I'm a senator!?" It's ok t
No, it doesn't. It's just you trying to avoid the topic at hand againThat don't make sense because I was asking you the question.
No I have not. I am not Mr. There-were-no-riots-oh-wait-they-posted-actual- evidence-so-now-I-have-to-admit-there-were-riots.Choosing to leave ANY domestic terrorism out is cherry-picking, whi what one of us (not me) generally does.Except that's what you've done in this case.
We were talking about recent times. I don't know anyone who was in favor of the OK City bombers not being prosecuted to the full extent and being put to death. Has someone here stated otherwise? If so, I am interested so please point it out.I also find it odd that you questioned things from "the past" in on message, and then have to dredge up examples from the past, to blan out more recent events, in others.Past FidoNet practices and historical violence are two very different th
Armor is defensive. Gasoline is more of an improvised weapon. The hoarding of firearms demostrates premeditation.Gasoline is not improvised if you bring it with you. Bricks are not improvised when they have been delivered to the riot site for your use.
You only need armor if you expect trouble, and you know there will be trouble if you plan to cause it. You also are not armed, and some of
them were.
That is one quote out of a whole speach where he was not so specific in other statements.Like using the national stage to claim that conservatives are the biggestThat is not violent rhetoric, nor is it what was said. Biden said, "Dona Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the foundations of our republic."
threat to democracy?
I can see how that might be confusing, though. If you believe that all conservatives are MAGA Republicans, then it could be construed to mean t all conservatives are a threat. Likewise, if you believe that all conservatives represent extremism, then it could be construed to mean th all conservatives are a threat. But neither of those are true.Does it upset you when politicans claim that "muslim extremists" are a threat, even though they qualify it with "extremists"? From past conversations, I am pretty sure it does. Same with "leftist extremists" and "antifa extremists."
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If Joe takes votes from black supremacists without condemning black supremacy, why can't Trump take votes from white supremacists without condemning white supremacy?
So you condone their acts of violence?If Joe takes votes from black supremacists without condemning black supremacy, why can't Trump take votes from white supremacists without condemning white supremacy?
BLM are not black supremacists.
They reduced a handicapped accessible playground to ashes in a caucas neighborhood. That's awfully unequal.
Do you know for certain that it was BLM that did it? And even if they
did, it's not evidence of a "black supremacy" ideology.
There are plenty of examples. You're just trying to narrow the criteria
in an inverse form of cherry-picking.
And you're giving more credit to the supposition that he was mentally ill than to the violent rhetoric this supposedly mentally-ill person was fed by conservatives.
The vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and do offer protection from
becoming infected, as well as reducing the severity of illness if one
does become infected. One is far better off having been vaccinated than not.
Jeff doesn't give examples because it goes against the philosophy of vagueness.He's a mentally ill illegal immigrant. Have any sane, American "conservatives"The mentally ill (and apparently under/untreated) goes along wit people who know him say. I have not heard he was an illegal imm but both you and Jeff have said he was, which means he is not an "American conservative."
done any political violence lately?
I have given examples; you have refused to examine them.
He was a white supremacist. White supremacists are almost exclus conservative, as we've discussed before.You've discussed that with yourself. You have an obsession with white supremacists, and a delusional idea that you know everyone's politica beliefs based on their skin color.
I've never claimed that I know everyone's political beliefs based on
their skin color (with the possible exception of orange). There are
plenty of white Democrats, and I've never said there weren't.
What you're trying so hard to avoid, though, is that white supremacy is a right-wing ideology.
What's your source for "racists tend to be conservative?"
1. the sheer number of conservative racists, such as white supremacists
2. the definition of conservative -- blacks were traditionally oppressed more than they are today, and conservatives prefer traditional "values" such as ensuring that black people "know their place."
More deflection.
You didn't ask a question. You meandered from molestation by Klan
members to housing prices.
What's your source for "racists tend to be conservative?"
The KKK are not white supremacists.BLM are not black supremacists.So you condone their acts of violence?If Joe takes votes from black supremacists without condemning bl supremacy, why can't Trump take votes from white supremacists wi condemning white supremacy?
The playground didn't burn itself down and BLM was there when itThey reduced a handicapped accessible playground to ashes in a c neighborhood. That's awfully unequal.Do you know for certain that it was BLM that did it? And even if they did, it's not evidence of a "black supremacy" ideology.
happened. If they didn't light the match, they at least incited the violence.
There are plenty of examples. You're just trying to narrow the criter in an inverse form of cherry-picking.I'm not picking anything, I asked you for examples, you provided 0, but yet you still think it's appropriate to point a finger at me.
And you're giving more credit to the supposition that he was mentally than to the violent rhetoric this supposedly mentally-ill person was by conservatives.Yea because mental illness is a common thing, but your conspiracy theory about "canadian tourist held hostage by white supremacists" is idiotic.
The vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and do offer protection from becoming infected, as well as reducing the severity of illness if one does become infected. One is far better off having been vaccinated th not.That doesn't give Joe the right to lie about them to the American people.
You gave 0 examples. Read back! You're insane!Jeff doesn't give examples because it goes against the philosoph vagueness.I have given examples; you have refused to examine them.
I've never claimed that I know everyone's political beliefs based on their skin color (with the possible exception of orange). There are plenty of white Democrats, and I've never said there weren't.It's in the quote. "White supremacists are conservatives." In other
words, you at least know the political beliefs of white people.
What you're trying so hard to avoid, though, is that white supremacy right-wing ideology.White supremacy is not a topic that normal people talk about. Is your mom's trailer park full of neo nazis like from the movie American
History X?
Those aren't sources, and they are just more evidence of how insane you are.What's your source for "racists tend to be conservative?"1. the sheer number of conservative racists, such as white supremacis 2. the definition of conservative -- blacks were traditionally oppres more than they are today, and conservatives prefer traditional "value such as ensuring that black people "know their place."
More deflection.You say this but...
You didn't ask a question. You meandered from molestation by Klan members to housing prices.You are the one deflecting (typical leftist tactic.) I asked this:
What's your source for "racists tend to be conservative?"
and you gave me an entry from the diary of a madman.
It sucks when people ask you to prove your BS, doesn't it? Wouldn't it be better if people just accepted your insane explanations of things?
The KKK does not have the political power it once did. Historically, though, they have been responsible for quite a bit of violence and death. While they may not be as active today, other groups with simil ideologies are.Ok, so that answers my previous question. You were molested by a klan member. Maybe those guys are a powerful force in Texas, but they ain't shit up in these parts. You should move out of Texas. You'd love the
home prices here!
Come on Jeff. Tell us about the Republican who molested you. Did he tell you something like "Don't worry Jeff, I'm a senator!?" It's ok to cry.
proud boys or the 3%. Nor am I aware that Joe has solicited their
votes, nor that he has paid any attention to them. He certainly does
not endorse them in the way that Trump has done for the white
supremacists groups.
So you condone their acts of violence?
blackIf Joe takes votes from black supremacists without condemning
withoutsupremacy, why can't Trump take votes from white supremacists
condemning white supremacy?
BLM are not black supremacists.
The KKK are not white supremacists.
BLM are not black supremacists.The KKK are not white supremacists.
Yes, they are. You're trying so hard to "both sides" this, but thee's nothing there.
However, his social media posts show that he was radicalized by the American right.
You gave 0 examples. Read back! You're insane!Jeff doesn't give examples because it goes against the phil vagueness.I have given examples; you have refused to examine them.
I gave the examples of lynchings and the burning of Black curches.
While you may not wish to talk about it, it is a topic that is regularly discussed in modern American politics, it is an existing threat to the
I'm sure it does. And it also sucks when I prove my piint logically, but am still asked for sources, as if the conclusion is not readily apparent.
If not, you should be aware that whenever you're under the influence of whatever caused you to not remember writing this, you seem prone to fantasizing about people being molested. You also wrote this in the same post:
You only need armor if you expect trouble, and you know there will be trouble if you plan to cause it. You also are not armed, and some of them were.
They were black and peacefully protesting police violence against black people, an event to which police could reasonably be expected to respond. Do the math.
Nope. Extremists are extremists. I'm actually comforted when people choose to say "Muslim extremists" instead of just "Muslims" because it's a far more accurate statement and is tempered so as not to increase anti-Muslim sentiment.
That is relatively recent, historically speaking. But we have national elections every two years, so you shouldn't have to wait long.
1. the sheer number of conservative racists, such as white supremacists
2. the definition of conservative -- blacks were traditionally oppressed more than they are today, and conservatives prefer traditional "values" such as ensuring that black people "know their place."
As far as I am concerned, your "if" phrase is vacuous. There were black supremacists groups as far back as 1966 (the black panthers) and
spliters of that group still exist -- but they do not command the
following or the attention that groups such as the oath keepers, the
proud boys or the 3%. Nor am I aware that Joe has solicited their
If not, you should be aware that whenever you're under the influence of whatever caused you to not remember writing this, you seem prone to fantasizing about people being molested. You also wrote this in the same post:
During the Floyd Riots of 2020 there were news reports of the Biden campaign bailing black supremacist BLM terrorists out of jail, so that's why I have thi
opinion.
"the black church burnings" isn't an example of "political violence." You're not specific. And what is a "black church" anyway? That sounds racist!
BLM are not black supremacists.
The KKK are not white supremacists.
I have met David Duke. In person. He was Grand Wizard of the KKK.
He was a white supremacist then, just as he is today.
Nobody pays attention to the KKK or BLM these days. Idiots, maybe.Yes, they are. You're trying so hard to "both sides" this, but thee's nothing there.BLM are not black supremacists.The KKK are not white supremacists.
When we need domestic terrorism to win an election we'll call them, I guess.
However, his social media posts show that he was radicalized by the American right.You're full of it again. Social media posts aren't "radicalization."
I think Joe Biden should get the max penalty for treason. Does that mean I'm "radical?" If I had social media and I followed Trump & Marjorie,
does that mean that I'm "radical?"
Radicalization and mental illness are 2 different conversations. "The radical left" is not a group of mentally ill people, it is a small group of highly intelligent elites combined with a much larger group of brainwashed idiots who are "fighting" for their "right" to eat foodstamp sandwiches.
Those are not specific examples. Since you didn't give me any specific examples, I looked for my own, and I told you about them, and II gave the examples of lynchings and the burning of Black curches.You gave 0 examples. Read back! You're insane!Jeff doesn't give examples because it goes against the vagueness.I have given examples; you have refused to examine them.
explained how they (the ones I found) did not include information about poltical motivation.
Being vague and general about things is a slimy way to "win" an
argument. Like if you fart in an elevator, and someone asks if you
farted, you'd probably say "a bunch of conservatives farted in here
before I arrived."
While you may not wish to talk about it, it is a topic that is regula discussed in modern American politics, it is an existing threat to thIt's only discussed by idiots. Obama never even talked about it.
I'm sure it does. And it also sucks when I prove my piint logically, am still asked for sources, as if the conclusion is not readily appar"the black church burnings" isn't an example of "political violence." You're not specific. And what is a "black church" anyway? That sounds racist!
There were some churches burned but all the information I found on Wiki show that they were a long time ago and the people who were connected to the crimes did not have any political motivation listed in their page in history.
You tried to "deflect" from your obligation to back up your BS by
ignoring my request for examples. That's a lousy way to lose an
argument. It's more professinal to just say "I was wrong," but leftists don't "do wrong."
If not, you should be aware that whenever you're under the influence whatever caused you to not remember writing this, you seem prone to fantasizing about people being molested. You also wrote this in the s post:Obviously they did something to you to cause your irrational trust in Democrats.
The folks we are talking about who reacted not peacefully were not always black, especially in the Pacific NW. Matter of fact, if they were shown on the news, although they were supposedly there to protest theYou only need armor if you expect trouble, and you know there will trouble if you plan to cause it. You also are not armed, and some them were.They were black and peacefully protesting police violence against black people, an event to which police could reasonably be expected to respond the math.
treatment of blacks, most of the beligerent ones were not black. There did not seem to be any issues between true peaceful protesters and cops, only the ones that showed up armed or brought other implements of destruction with them. You are trying to change the subject by playing the race card.
Nope. Extremists are extremists. I'm actually comforted when people choo say "Muslim extremists" instead of just "Muslims" because it's a far mor accurate statement and is tempered so as not to increase anti-Muslim sentiment.Then we agree on something.
That is relatively recent, historically speaking. But we have national elections every two years, so you shouldn't have to wait long.Since we are talking this election cycle, I might be missing some but,
the ones I know about score as follows:
Attacks against Democrat politicians/supporters: 2
Attacks against Republican politicians/supporters: 3
The first one is the Pelosi incident. That guy was crazy and, per his neighbors, I am not 100% that he didn't just dislike politicians in general.
The second one happened a few months ago and was against a (D) candidate (I think) in Louisville. He was attacked by a young black male who,
from what I remember, was also mentally unstable. I don't live there
and am having trouble telling the candidates apart (since neither is an incumbent) so I could be wrong about the party on this one.
The other three include suspicious packages containing an unknown powder sent to the campaign headquarters of an (R) candidate in AZ, the attack
of the (R) candidate for governor in NY and, more recently, the attack
of a supporter of that same (R) candidate.
That last one happened at an event that was for Houchul (D) so maybe they said something that started it.
1. the sheer number of conservative racists, such as white supremacists 2. the definition of conservative -- blacks were traditionally oppressed than they are today, and conservatives prefer traditional "values" such ensuring that black people "know their place."Out of curiousity, where does that put Black conservatives/Republicans? Some of them seem better educated and better spoken than either of us,
so I suspect they know something we don't rather than the other way
round.
If not, you should be aware that whenever you're under the influence of whatever caused you to not remember writing this, you seem prone to fantasizing about people being molested. You also wrote this in the same post:Sounds like he needs to try something else, unless he enjoys bad trips.
If not, you should be aware that whenever you're under the influence of whatever caused you to not remember writing this, you seem prone to fantasizing about people being molested. You also wrote this in the same post:
Sounds like he needs to try something else, unless he enjoys bad trips.
During the Floyd Riots of 2020 there were news reports of the Biden camp bailing black supremacist BLM terrorists out of jail, so that's why I ha thi
opinion.
The reports about bailing out protesters/rioters I heard said Harris, not Biden, but I might have missed something.
There are churches, like the African Methodist Evangelical (AME) Church, whose congregations are traditionally black Americans. They are not the only ones, just the first example that springs to mind.
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This is all just opinion. In your opinion, Trump "endorsed" white supremacists. In my opinon, Joe "endorsed" black supremacists.
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Nobody pays attention to the KKK or BLM these days. Idiots, maybe.
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You're full of it again. Social media posts aren't "radicalization."
I think Joe Biden should get the max penalty for treason. Does that
mean I'm "radical?" If I had social media and I followed Trump &
Marjorie, does that mean that I'm "radical?"
Radicalization and mental illness are 2 different conversations. "The radical left" is not a group of mentally ill people, it is a small
group of highly intelligent elites combined with a much larger group of brainwashed idiots who are "fighting" for their "right" to eat
foodstamp sandwiches.
I like to pour salt on peoples' wounds sometimes. It makes them stronger.If not, you should be aware that whenever you're under the influenc whatever caused you to not remember writing this, you seem prone to fantasizing about people being molested. You also wrote this in the post:Sounds like he needs to try something else, unless he enjoys bad trip
There are churches, like the African Methodist Evangelical (AME) Chur whose congregations are traditionally black Americans. They are not only ones, just the first example that springs to mind.I've seen them on TV, but I just don't know about any political violence against them, and neither does Jeff.
This is all just opinion. In your opinion, Trump "endorsed" white supremacists. In my opinon, Joe "endorsed" black supremacists.The Ignorant Elitists have trouble differentiating between fact and opinion. They seem to think that their opinions are facts and other people's facts are opinions.
You're full of it again. Social media posts aren't "radicalization."
They're demonstrative of radicalization. Is English not your first language?
In what way do you think that Biden has committed treason? That alone would make you "radical."
Which do you think I am? Do you think I'm a "highly intelligent elite"
or a "brainwashed idiot" fighting for my right to eat "foodstamp sandwiches?" One or the other, which is it?
There are plenty for which the political/racial motivation is clear. You cherry-picked.
They were racists. They wanted Black people to "know their place." They wanted to maintain/return to a previous social order. That's
conservatism.
I'm not wrong. There are plenty of lynchings and church burnings to act
as examples. I'm not going to look them up for you. Stop cherry-picking and you'll find them. You might start with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery
and the mid-90s Congressional hearings on the burnings of Black churches.
Out of curiousity, where does that put Black conservatives/Republican Some of them seem better educated and better spoken than either of us so I suspect they know something we don't rather than the other way round.
I would suspect that they are more single-issue voters.
What's so radical about his posts? Did he announce that he wasYou're full of it again. Social media posts aren't "radicalizatiThey're demonstrative of radicalization. Is English not your first language?
interested in changing the government? Or did Joy Reid say "radical" and you're just parroting? ("Shallow and podantic." - Peter Griffin)
In what way do you think that Biden has committed treason? That alone would make you "radical."It wouldn't; check out the definition of the word and you'll see how
wrong you are. Accusing a political figure of a crime isn't "radicalization."
Which do you think I am? Do you think I'm a "highly intelligent elite or a "brainwashed idiot" fighting for my right to eat "foodstamp sandwiches?" One or the other, which is it?Food stamp sandwiches!
There are plenty for which the political/racial motivation is clear. cherry-picked.All I did was googled "church burnings." Wikipedia was #1 in the
results. They have a collection of information on that subject, but it lacks info about political motivation of the known suspects.
But I already did enough work to win this argument. You're the guy who said "church burnings" as if that means jack.
They were racists. They wanted Black people to "know their place." Th wanted to maintain/return to a previous social order. That's conservatism.I understand that you want that to be the truth, but it's just not documented by Wikipedia.
I'm not wrong. There are plenty of lynchings and church burnings to a as examples. I'm not going to look them up for you. Stop cherry-picki and you'll find them. You might start with the murder of Ahmaud Arber and the mid-90s Congressional hearings on the burnings of Black churcI looked up "church burnings" myself because you didn't give any
examples. None of the examples I found contained info about political motivation.
Ahmaud Arbery's murder wasn't "political violence" either. Do you think every time a white person kills a black person, which probably isn't
very often, it's "political violence?" How about when blacks kill
whites? Is that "political?"
Which "single-issue" might that be?Out of curiousity, where does that put Black conservatives/Repub Some of them seem better educated and better spoken than either so I suspect they know something we don't rather than the other round.I would suspect that they are more single-issue voters.
You're racism towards blacks is
showing again!
Nobody pays attention to the KKK or BLM these days. Idiots, maybe.Yes, they are. You're trying so hard to "both sides" this, but thee'BLM are not black supremacists.The KKK are not white supremacists.
nothing there.
Yeah, they do. And the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and the 3%.
I think Joe Biden should get the max penalty for treason. Does that mean I'm "radical?" If I had social media and I followed Trump & Marjorie, does that mean that I'm "radical?"
In what way do you think that Biden has committed treason? That alone would make you "radical."
Being vague and general about things is a slimy way to "win" an argument. Like if you fart in an elevator, and someone asks if you farted, you'd probably say "a bunch of conservatives farted in here before I arrived."
Liberals take the stairs.
I've seen them on TV, but I just don't know about any political viole against them, and neither does Jeff.
You clearly haven't been paying attention. I already mentioned Dylann
Roof and the church burnings that occurred in the wake of his crime.
BLM are not black supremacists.
The KKK are not white supremacists.
I have met David Duke. In person. He was Grand Wizard of the KKK.
He was a white supremacist then, just as he is today.
I saw BLM in person.
They were black supremacists then, just as they are today.
Not if he actually has some proof that he did that we've not seen yet.I think Joe Biden should get the max penalty for treason. Does that I'm "radical?" If I had social media and I followed Trump & Marjori does that mean that I'm "radical?"In what way do you think that Biden has committed treason? That alone wo make you "radical."
And touch the handrails?!? Germs!!! :)Being vague and general about things is a slimy way to "win" an argument. Like if you fart in an elevator, and someone asks if you farted, you'd probably say "a bunch of conservatives farted in here before I arrived."Liberals take the stairs.
What's so radical about his posts? Did he announce that he was interested in changing the government? Or did Joy Reid say "radical" you're just parroting? ("Shallow and podantic." - Peter Griffin)
We've all seen radicalized social media posts. Generally they contain misinformation and/or violent rhetoric and seek to demonize those with different views. Note that demonization is different from debunking.
Again, what's your evidence for the accusation of treason?
There were plenty of well-documented church burnings during the civil rights era, and there have been plenty since. You did a Google search, picked the first result, and called it a day.
Also, not just churches have been attacked. Mosques have been attacked as well as synagogues.
At the very least, the 16th Street Bomning in 1963 was an example. But since you refuse to correlate racism with conservatism, you don't see racially-motivated attacks as also being politically-motivated.
Ahmaud Arbery's murder wasn't "political violence" either. Do you thi every time a white person kills a black person, which probably isn't very often, it's "political violence?" How about when blacks kill whites? Is that "political?"
When the people doing it are white supremacists, as Arbery's killers
were, yes.
Also, George Floyd was killed by a white person and you can't claim that didn't get political really fast. Regardless of Chauvin's intentions in killing Floyd, the right tried every excuse in the book to blame Floyd
for his own death. That was extremely political.
I would suspect that they are more single-issue voters.Which "single-issue" might that be?
Most likely, they believe that they will be more economically prosperous under Republicans. Although the GOP has taken an anti-LGBTQ stance,
there are LQBTQ Republicans for the same reason.
In what way do you think that Biden has committed treason? That alone wo make you "radical."
Not if he actually has some proof that he did that we've not seen yet.
There you go again with "the church burnings." You still don't have any facts about any "church aronist with conservative political beliefs."I've seen them on TV, but I just don't know about any political against them, and neither does Jeff.You clearly haven't been paying attention. I already mentioned Dylann Roof and the church burnings that occurred in the wake of his crime.
All the information about Dylann Roof explains that he's a "white supremacist." But that's not "political violence."
"The church burnings.." is BS. What about the church that burned down in "The Outsiders?" Johnny didn't mean to leave that candle burning. There was nothing political about it.
Not if he actually has some proof that he did that we've not seen yetI think Joe Biden should get the max penalty for treason. Does I'm "radical?" If I had social media and I followed Trump & Ma does that mean that I'm "radical?"In what way do you think that Biden has committed treason? That alo make you "radical."
Then he should present this proof. Until he does, his statement carries
no weight.
All the information about Dylann Roof explains that he's a "white supremacist." But that's not "political violence."
It is when the oppression of non-whites is a political goal.
I haven't seen any. What's so radical about his posts?What's so radical about his posts? Did he announce that he was interested in changing the government? Or did Joy Reid say "radi you're just parroting? ("Shallow and podantic." - Peter Griffin)We've all seen radicalized social media posts. Generally they contain misinformation and/or violent rhetoric and seek to demonize those wit different views. Note that demonization is different from debunking.
Again, what's your evidence for the accusation of treason?That's not what this thread is about (deflection attempt thwarted!)
Also, not just churches have been attacked. Mosques have been attacke well as synagogues.The Vaguenator strikes again! So, next time someone asks me "what's wrong?" I'll just say "mosques and synagagues."
At the very least, the 16th Street Bomning in 1963 was an example. Bu since you refuse to correlate racism with conservatism, you don't see racially-motivated attacks as also being politically-motivated.Racial motivation & political motivation are 2 different motivators. Besides, this argument is about "violent rhetoric from conservatives causing political violence." This bombing you're talking about isn't political and there's no "conservative rhetoric" involved with it, and
it happened like 60 years ago.
White supremacy isn't a political issue. You lost your argument.Ahmaud Arbery's murder wasn't "political violence" either. Do yo every time a white person kills a black person, which probably i very often, it's "political violence?" How about when blacks kil whites? Is that "political?"When the people doing it are white supremacists, as Arbery's killers were, yes.
Why would they think a crazy thought like that?Most likely, they believe that they will be more economically prosper under Republicans. Although the GOP has taken an anti-LGBTQ stance, there are LQBTQ Republicans for the same reason.I would suspect that they are more single-issue voters.Which "single-issue" might that be?
Sure thing Jeff. But where's that documented?All the information about Dylann Roof explains that he's a "whit supremacist." But that's not "political violence."It is when the oppression of non-whites is a political goal.
Racial motivation & political motivation are 2 different motivators.
I haven't seen any. What's so radical about his posts?What's so radical about his posts? Did he announce that he interested in changing the government? Or did Joy Reid say you're just parroting? ("Shallow and podantic." - Peter GriWe've all seen radicalized social media posts. Generally they co misinformation and/or violent rhetoric and seek to demonize thos different views. Note that demonization is different from debunk
I just told you.
Again, what's your evidence for the accusation of treason?That's not what this thread is about (deflection attempt thwarted!)
You made that claim in this thread.
No, you didn't. You've avoided the question for several days. This conversation has been killed by vagueness and weasel words.I just told you.We've all seen radicalized social media posts. Generally th misinformation and/or violent rhetoric and seek to demonize different views. Note that demonization is different from dI haven't seen any. What's so radical about his posts?
And touch the handrails?!? Germs!!! :)
I don't really use them.
Also, I don't have any evidence of this, but I'd think it pretty likely that a good percentage of people push the elevator buttons with the same finger they use to pick their nose.
Why would they think a crazy thought like that?Most likely, they believe that they will be more economically prospeI would suspect that they are more single-issue voters.Which "single-issue" might that be?
under Republicans. Although the GOP has taken an anti-LGBTQ stance, there are LQBTQ Republicans for the same reason.
Because that's one of the lies that the GOP pushes.
Everywhere. In the incidents of police killing unarmed Black people. In the attempts by the GOP to limit voting in urban areas. In the insistence that BLM is a terrorist organization. It's all political.
Racist attempts to keep people from obtaining equal rights are most definitely political.
Sure thing Jeff. But where's that documented?All the information about Dylann Roof explains that he's a supremacist." But that's not "political violence."It is when the oppression of non-whites is a political goal.
Everywhere. In the incidents of police killing unarmed Black people. In the attempts by the GOP to limit voting in urban areas. In the
insistence that BLM is a terrorist organization. It's all political.
Racial motivation & political motivation are 2 different motivators.
Is that so?
In November 2008, a black church in Springfield, Massachussetts was
burned down a few hours after Obama was declared the winner of the 2008 election. One of the three men arrested for the arson told investigators that he set the fire because he was angered by the prospect of a black president.
Also, I don't have any evidence of this, but I'd think it pretty likely a good percentage of people push the elevator buttons with the same fing they use to pick their nose.I can get around touching buttons without protection, and do. Back when
I only worked a few floors up, I could also get around not using the handrails in the stairs on the way down. Once they moved us twice as
many floors upward where, for some reason, the staircases are steeper,
not so much.
The statement (mine) that lead to your "single-issue" comment was that there are Black conservatives/Republicans who seem better educated than you or I, and I asked why you thought that was.
So, now you are saying that they are not smart enough to see through
such a "lie"?
I personally don't agree that they are single-issue voters. Being well educated and intelligent, I am guessing they are far from it.
Everywhere. In the incidents of police killing unarmed Black people. In attempts by the GOP to limit voting in urban areas. In the insistence th BLM is a terrorist organization. It's all political.They don't limit voting in urban areas any more than they do any other areas.
What generally happens is that the urban areas want more
opportunites than other areas get. Why should they be allowed more?
Racist attempts to keep people from obtaining equal rights are most definitely political.Ahmaud Arbery's killers weren't trying to prevent Arbery from obtaining equal rights.
Plus Arbery wasn't a politician.
A bombing that occurred
more than 80 years ago isn't evidence of conservatives with violent rhetoric,
unless it was John F Kennedy's church.
No, that is not "documented," because we're talking about "Dylann Roof."Everywhere. In the incidents of police killing unarmed Black people. the attempts by the GOP to limit voting in urban areas. In the insistence that BLM is a terrorist organization. It's all political.Sure thing Jeff. But where's that documented?All the information about Dylann Roof explains that he supremacist." But that's not "political violence."It is when the oppression of non-whites is a political goal
How do you know that anyone in that church was a Democrat voter?
In November 2008, a black church in Springfield, Massachussetts was burned down a few hours after Obama was declared the winner of the 20 election. One of the three men arrested for the arson told investigat that he set the fire because he was angered by the prospect of a blac president.You still don't get the point: That's not political violence. There was
no intent nor attempt to achieve any political goal; it was a racially motivated attack on an empty building. Do you think that sent a message
to Washington DC?
unless it was John F Kennedy's church.
Again, there is nothing that says that politically-motivated violence
must target politicians.
How do you know that anyone in that church was a Democrat voter?
I don't. But they were black. Pictures of Roof show him wearing a jacket with the Rhodesian and South African flags on them. What do Rhodesia and South Africa have in common? historical political subjugation of black people is what they have in common.
You don't have any facts that prove these to be politically motivated crimes.unless it was John F Kennedy's church.Again, there is nothing that says that politically-motivated violence must target politicians.
Wearing a jacket with some flags on it is not a form of political violence.How do you know that anyone in that church was a Democrat voter?I don't. But they were black. Pictures of Roof show him wearing a jac with the Rhodesian and South African flags on them. What do Rhodesia South Africa have in common? historical political subjugation of blac people is what they have in common.
They moved us down a couple of floors once. I'm guessing that the plumbing was in columns because every floor had the break room and the bathrooms in the same relative place, like they were stacked. For some reason, however, the restroom designations on the new floor were opposite what they were on the old floor. So for anyone in the habit of going to a certain place to use the restroom, this was somewhat problematic.
The statement (mine) that lead to your "single-issue" comment was that there are Black conservatives/Republicans who seem better educated than you or I, and I asked why you thought that was.
So, now you are saying that they are not smart enough to see through such a "lie"?
Anyone can be duped. There are very smart people that believe that "trickle-down" economics works for everyone, despite the wage (and wealth) gap that's been expanding since Reagan introduced "voodoo economics."
In Texas, only one drop box is allowed per county, regardless of whether that county contains 500 farmers or the city of Houston.
What generally happens is that the urban areas want more
opportunites than other areas get. Why should they be allowed more?
Because they are much, much more densely populated.
Ahmaud Arbery's killers weren't trying to prevent Arbery from obtaining equal rights. Plus Arbery wasn't a politician. A bombing that occurred more than 80 years ago isn't evidence of conservatives with violent rhetoric, unless it was
John F Kennedy's church.
Plus Arbery wasn't a politician.
There's no rule that politically-motivated crimes have to target politicians.
No, that is not "documented," because we're talking about "Dylann Roof."Everywhere. In the incidents of police killing unarmed Black people.Sure thing Jeff. But where's that documented?All the information about Dylann Roof explains that hIt is when the oppression of non-whites is a political goa
supremacist." But that's not "political violence."
the attempts by the GOP to limit voting in urban areas. In the insistence that BLM is a terrorist organization. It's all political.
Dylann Roof's racism was well-documented, mostly by himself.
The single-issue lie you mentioned is a pretty long-lived one. I don't think these well-educated people would stay duped that long.The statement (mine) that lead to your "single-issue" comment was t there are Black conservatives/Republicans who seem better educated you or I, and I asked why you thought that was.Anyone can be duped. There are very smart people that believe that "trickle-down" economics works for everyone, despite the wage (and wealt gap that's been expanding since Reagan introduced "voodoo economics."
So, now you are saying that they are not smart enough to see throug such a "lie"?
In Texas, only one drop box is allowed per county, regardless of whether county contains 500 farmers or the city of Houston.That might sound bad until one examines a county map of Texas. Most counties are near the same size, so the fact that there is only one per county does not put any undue travel requirements on a person in an
urban county vs. a rural one.
Now, if you were to point out that some of the counties in the rural western and southern parts of the state are much larger and it puts an undue travel requirement on rural persons in those counties, I could not argue against that. But those were not the people you seem concerned about.
In this case, it was quite likely racially motivated. I don't see any political motivation, unless we are going to go to the point where all violent acts are politically motivated.Plus Arbery wasn't a politician.There's no rule that politically-motivated crimes have to target politic
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