• Many Democrat coups Against Trump

    From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to All on Wed Oct 12 22:24:28 2022
    So Jeff Thiele wanted proof
    OK Here it is

    Here's a run down of their many coup attempts to get rid of Trump and keep power. (I'm sure there were many more knowing how the democrats operate.)

    1. Spygate Even before Trump was the Republican nominee for president, the democrats worked to get rid of him. They illegally used every intelligence agency at their disposal to spy on Trump, his family, his campaign, and others around him, possibly even people in the media like Sean Hannity. This was their attempt to install Hillary Clinton as president.

    2. Russiagate This laughable story went on for years and took many forms including the also laughable Muller investigation. They took down Michael Flynn and a few others during their farce, which started from a fake dossier that Hillary Clinton purchased.

    3. Media collusion Every day during the Trump presidency, it was another lie that the fake news media spouted as they claimed the mantle of communications director for the democrat party. They lied about things Trump didn't do and they lied about or hid the good things that Trump DID do. Working with the democrat party to coordinate their talking points, the media was a disgrace the entire four years when Trump was president.

    4. Military Leader collusion Working to help the democrat party get Trump out of office, military leaders were constantly coming out to define Trump as a threat to the country and the constitution. These people were deep staters and leftists and also former military leaders who worked with the president and didn't like his policies.

    In September of 2020, right before the election, about 500 national security experts released a public letter calling Trump unfit for his role as commander-in-chief. However to this day Biden still have not take the same cognitive test that Trump already took. You know what Biden's response was
    "Why the hell would I take a test?"

    5. Amassing their Own Battalion of Terrorists with BLM and Antifa Everything that Trump did was wrong and the democrats were going to make sure that the country got the message. So they worked with BLM rioters and Antifa terrorists to go after the police, businesses and innocent citizens.

    They used arson and murder and threatened our very system of government as democratic governors and mayors did little to nothing to stop the violence.

    This was the REAL insurrection that was happening in the country but it was both supported and ignored by the democrat party and the leftist media who called them peaceful protests.

    6. Fake Impeachment #1 The first impeachment of President Trump (which failed in the Senate) was the democrat party's attempt to go after him for their fake narrative about Trump soliciting foreign interference in the 2020 election.

    7. Fake impeachment #2 The second impeachment of President Trump (which failed in the Senate) was trying to frame him for the January 6th riot at the Capitol in an incitement of insurrection. Trump only had a week left in office when the impeachment happened but that didn't stop the democrats from trying to get rid of him.

    8. Collusion with Social Media This is a big one. This is how the democrats censored republicans on a daily basis through Facebook, Twitter, You Tube and every other media outlet. They were all in bed together to censor Trump supporters, conservative politicians and conservative media people.

    They censored political information that made Biden look bad and while Trump was still president, they actually shut down his Twitter account.

    The democrats used every internet advantage they had in their arsenal through Google and their other leftist social media friends. They even hid a story on Hunter Biden's laptop so that nothing incriminating came out about his father during the election.

    9. The Election This was their big win after all of their hard work. They FINALLY figured out how to get rid of Trump. They used COVID-19 to unconstitutionally change election law that enabled them to accomplish voter fraud in the states and counties needed to win the election for Biden.

    They also amassed their network of leftists in non-profits, the government, unions and other places to work together to make sure that they stole the election from the American people so that they could install their senile puppet President Biden into the White House. They were so excited about what they had done that they actually admitted to rigging the election.

    10. Mark Milley The newest revelation that Milley was conversing with China about our unfit president to make sure they knew if an attack was coming is not very surprising.

    The report that a lot of people were in on the calls and knew about them but
    WE didn't is also not surprising, even if those people were in the Trump administration.

    One of the hardest things, the biggest challenges, that Trump had was
    staffing his administration. There were plenty of traitors and saboteurs from the beginning to the end of his presidency.

    The report that democrat Speaker of the House TDS deranged Nancy Pelosi was involved in Milley-gate is also not surprising.
    Meanwhile back home in San Fransisco, it's been turned into literally a shit-hole with actual feces in the streets and tents everywhere.
    This gives the Golden Coast a brand new meaning.

    11. The FBI raid on former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate earlier this month uncovered limited set of materials that are potentially subject to attorney-client privilege, federal prosecutors said in the court filing.

    The democrat party has an allegiance to the democrat party not the people, not the constitution and not the laws of the country.

    Coups are what they do now. They absolutely can't lose control of the country so they use any means necessary to keep that power.

    Who knows what is yet to come in November with additional Democratic Shenanigans as future coup develop. When is enough.. Enough..

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Oct 12 23:04:21 2022
    On 12 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    1. Spygate Even before Trump was the Republican nominee for president, the democrats worked to get rid of him. They illegally used every intelligence agency at their disposal to spy on Trump, his family, his campaign, and others around him, possibly even people in the media like Sean Hannity. This was their attempt to install Hillary Clinton as president.

    The Democrats did not spy on the Trump campaign. No credible evidence of such spying was ever found and a 2019 Justice Department Inspector General report said as much.

    2. Russiagate This laughable story went on for years and took many forms including the also laughable Muller investigation. They took down
    Michael Flynn and a few others during their farce, which started from a fake dossier that Hillary Clinton purchased.

    The Mueller investigation found multiple attempts on the part of the Trump administration (and Trump himself) to obstruct justice. Why obstruct justice
    if one is innocent?

    3. Media collusion Every day during the Trump presidency, it was another lie that the fake news media spouted as they claimed the mantle of communications director for the democrat party. They lied about things Trump didn't do and they lied about or hid the good things that Trump
    DID do. Working with the democrat party to coordinate their talking points, the media was a disgrace the entire four years when Trump was president.

    The media didn't lie about Trump; Trump was just a bad president (and person) and gave them plenty of fodder for their news stories. Besides, he loved the attention, and if he felt he wasn't getting enough of it, he'd do something else outrageous.

    4. Military Leader collusion Working to help the democrat party get
    Trump out of office, military leaders were constantly coming out to
    define Trump as a threat to the country and the constitution. These
    people were deep staters and leftists and also former military leaders
    who worked with the president and didn't like his policies.

    Trump was teling the military leaders to do dangerous and potentially illegal things. It was their duty to report this. There is also no evidence that they did this under the direction of, or in collusion with, the Democrat party.

    In September of 2020, right before the election, about 500 national security experts released a public letter calling Trump unfit for his
    role as commander-in-chief. However to this day Biden still have not
    take the same cognitive test that Trump already took. You know what Biden's response was "Why the hell would I take a test?"

    That 500 national security experts called him unfit is really saying
    something. Are you absolutely certain that they were all Democrats?

    5. Amassing their Own Battalion of Terrorists with BLM and Antifa Everything that Trump did was wrong and the democrats were going to make sure that the country got the message. So they worked with BLM rioters
    and Antifa terrorists to go after the police, businesses and innocent citizens.

    There is no credible evidence of such cooperation.

    They used arson and murder and threatened our very system of government
    as democratic governors and mayors did little to nothing to stop the violence.

    They immediately condemned the violence, something that Trump was unable/unwilling to do with either Charlottesville or the 1/6 insurrection.

    This was the REAL insurrection that was happening in the country but it was both supported and ignored by the democrat party and the leftist
    media who called them peaceful protests.

    There were far more peaceful protests than violent incidents. It was noted
    that they were by far mostly people protests in response to conservative attempt to paint all protesters as violent.

    6. Fake Impeachment #1 The first impeachment of President Trump (which failed in the Senate) was the democrat party's attempt to go after him
    for their fake narrative about Trump soliciting foreign interference in the 2020 election.

    The transcript of the phone call proves this. Trump did ask Ukraine to find dirt on the Bidens. The Senate trial was a political one, not a criminal one. Also, had Trump been removed from office Pence, not a Democrat, would have become president, so this is not in any way a coup attempt.

    7. Fake impeachment #2 The second impeachment of President Trump (which failed in the Senate) was trying to frame him for the January 6th riot
    at the Capitol in an incitement of insurrection. Trump only had a week left in office when the impeachment happened but that didn't stop the democrats from trying to get rid of him.

    Same as above.

    8. Collusion with Social Media This is a big one. This is how the democrats censored republicans on a daily basis through Facebook,
    Twitter, You Tube and every other media outlet. They were all in bed together to censor Trump supporters, conservative politicians and conservative media people.

    They were censoring misinformation, not people. If Republicans had done the moral and resposible thing and avoided messaging misinformation to the
    American people, they would not have been suspended or banned from social media.

    They censored political information that made Biden look bad and while Trump was still president, they actually shut down his Twitter account.

    The "political information that made Biden look bad" was in fact the previously-mentioned misinformation. Trump, in particular, was banned from Twitter for glorifying violence. https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension

    The democrats used every internet advantage they had in their arsenal through Google and their other leftist social media friends. They even
    hid a story on Hunter Biden's laptop so that nothing incriminating came out about his father during the election.

    There is no credible evidence that the laptop belonged to Hunter Biden or
    that he had anything to do with anything on the laptop.

    9. The Election This was their big win after all of their hard work. They FINALLY figured out how to get rid of Trump. They used COVID-19 to unconstitutionally change election law that enabled them to accomplish voter fraud in the states and counties needed to win the election for Biden.

    The Constitution says nothing about any voting laws; it leaves that up to the states. States are free to adjust their own voting laws as long as the
    changes are fair. There is no credible evidence of voter fraud either in conjunction with the COVID-19 changes or without.

    They also amassed their network of leftists in non-profits, the government, unions and other places to work together to make sure that they stole the election from the American people so that they could install their senile puppet President Biden into the White House. They were so excited about what they had done that they actually admitted to rigging the election.

    No one has admitted to "rigging the election." There is no evidence that the election was "stolen."

    10. Mark Milley The newest revelation that Milley was conversing with China about our unfit president to make sure they knew if an attack was coming is not very surprising.
    The report that a lot of people were in on the calls and knew about them but WE didn't is also not surprising, even if those people were in the Trump administration.

    That Milley felt it necessary to do this is quite telling.

    One of the hardest things, the biggest challenges, that Trump had was staffing his administration. There were plenty of traitors and saboteurs from the beginning to the end of his presidency.

    Trump picked them. That he couldn't control them was, I'm sure, very frustrating. However, they did not feel that the things he was doing, or was trying to do, were right.

    The report that democrat Speaker of the House TDS deranged Nancy Pelosi was involved in Milley-gate is also not surprising.
    Meanwhile back home in San Fransisco, it's been turned into literally a shit-hole with actual feces in the streets and tents everywhere.
    This gives the Golden Coast a brand new meaning.

    This is just a personal attack on Pelosi, and probably misinformation as well.

    11. The FBI raid on former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate earlier this month uncovered limited set of materials that are
    potentially subject to attorney-client privilege, federal prosecutors
    said in the court filing.

    Yes, among many other things, like stolen top-secret government documents.

    The democrat party has an allegiance to the democrat party not the
    people, not the constitution and not the laws of the country.

    You have not proven this in even the slightest.

    Coups are what they do now. They absolutely can't lose control of the country so they use any means necessary to keep that power.

    The Democrats did not attempt any coups. But Trump did. And now, unable to
    deny that fact, you're resorting to both-sidesism (but failing to prove any
    of it).

    Who knows what is yet to come in November with additional Democratic Shenanigans as future coup develop. When is enough.. Enough..

    What has not happened yet has not happened yet.

    None of this is evidence; it's just another rant from Gregory. You provided zero evidence to back up any of these claims.

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Oct 13 00:29:02 2022
    On 10-12-22 22:24, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to All about Many Democrat coups Again <=-


    So Jeff Thiele wanted proof
    OK Here it is

    Here's a run down of their many coup attempts to get rid of Trump and
    keep power. (I'm sure there were many more knowing how the democrats operate.)

    Your statements make it clear that you do not even know what a coup is.
    In this context the word coup is short hand for coup d'etat, which is
    the sudden overthrow of a government.

    1. Spygate Even before Trump was the Republican nominee for
    president, the democrats worked to get rid of him. They illegally used every intelligence agency at their disposal to spy on Trump, his
    family, his campaign, and others around him, possibly even people in
    the media like Sean Hannity. This was their
    attempt to install Hillary Clinton as president.

    Not a coup.

    2. Russiagate This laughable story went on for years and took many
    forms including the also laughable Muller investigation. They
    took down Michael Flynn
    and a few others during their farce, which started from a fake dossier that Hillary Clinton purchased.

    The Mueller investigation was not a coup.

    It was an investigation to document Russian interference in the 2016 Presidental election. It did conclude that Russian interference did
    occur. It also investigated whether of not there was any conspiracy or coordination between the Trump campaign and Russian elements. It
    determended that there was not sufficent evidence of these, but that
    there was evidence of cooperation and exchange of information.

    3. Media collusion Every day during the Trump presidency, it was
    another lie that the fake news media spouted as they claimed the mantle
    of communications director for the democrat party. They lied about
    things Trump didn't do and they lied about or hid the good things that Trump DID do. Working with the democrat party to coordinate their
    talking points, the media was a disgrace the
    entire four years when Trump was president.

    Not a coup. And a slanted statement.

    4. Military Leader collusion Working to help the democrat party get
    Trump out of office, military leaders were constantly coming out to
    define Trump as a threat to the country and the constitution. These
    people were deep staters and leftists and also former military leaders
    who worked with the president and didn't like his policies.

    Not a coup -- but accurate.

    In September of 2020, right before the election, about 500 national security experts released a public letter calling Trump unfit for his
    role as commander-in-chief. However to this day Biden still have not
    take the same cognitive test that Trump already took. You know what Biden's response was "Why the hell would I take a test?"

    Not a coup -- an opinion piece. (your sidebar about a cognitive test is irrelevant.)

    5. Amassing their Own Battalion of Terrorists with BLM and Antifa Everything that Trump did was wrong and the democrats were going to
    make sure that the country got the message. So they worked with BLM rioters and Antifa terrorists to go after the police, businesses and innocent citizens.
    They used arson and murder and threatened our very system of
    government as democratic governors and mayors did little to nothing to stop the violence.
    This was the REAL insurrection that was happening in the country but
    it was both supported and ignored by the democrat party and the leftist media who called them peaceful protests.

    Not a coup.

    6. Fake Impeachment #1 The first impeachment of President Trump (which failed in the Senate) was the democrat party's attempt to go after him
    for their fake narrative about Trump soliciting foreign interference in the 2020 election.

    Not a coup. It was not fake narrative -- he did it.

    7. Fake impeachment #2 The second impeachment of President Trump
    (which failed in the Senate) was trying to frame him for the January
    6th riot at the Capitol in an incitement of insurrection. Trump only
    had a week left in office when the
    impeachment happened but that didn't stop the democrats from trying to
    get rid of him.

    Not a coup. A coup is an extra-legal overthrow of the government.
    Impeachment is clearly legal.

    8. Collusion with Social Media This is a big one. This is how the democrats censored republicans on a daily basis through Facebook,
    Twitter, You Tube and every other media outlet. They were all in bed together to censor Trump supporters, conservative politicians and conservative media people.
    They censored political information that made Biden look bad and while Trump was still president, they actually shut down his Twitter account.

    The democrats used every internet advantage they had in their arsenal through Google and their other leftist social media friends. They even
    hid a story on Hunter Biden's laptop so that nothing incriminating came out about his father during the election.

    Not a coup, and not accurate anyhow.

    9. The Election This was their big win after all of their hard work.
    They FINALLY figured out how to get rid of Trump. They used COVID-19 to unconstitutionally change election law that enabled them to accomplish voter fraud in the states and counties needed to win the election for Biden.

    What election law did they unconstitutionally change? How did they
    accomplish voter fraud (answer they did not).

    They also amassed their network of leftists in non-profits, the government, unions and other places to work together to make sure that they stole the election from the American people so that they could install their senile puppet President Biden into the White House. They were so excited about what they had done that they actually admitted to rigging the election.

    Not a coup and also is balderdash.

    10. Mark Milley The newest revelation that Milley was conversing with China about our unfit president to make sure they knew if an
    attack was coming is not
    very surprising.

    Not a coup.

    The report that a lot of people were in on the calls and knew about
    them but WE didn't is also not surprising, even if those people were in the Trump administration.

    Your point is?

    One of the hardest things, the biggest challenges, that Trump had was staffing his administration. There were plenty of traitors and
    saboteurs from the beginning to the end of his presidency.

    The trouble Trump had with staffing had more to do with his lack of understanding what each of the jobs required than anything else. His
    demand for absolute loyalty to him caused many of his staff to quit.

    The report that democrat Speaker of the House TDS deranged Nancy
    Pelosi was involved in Milley-gate is also not surprising.
    Meanwhile back home in San Fransisco, it's been turned into literally
    a shit-hole with actual feces in the streets and tents everywhere.
    This gives the Golden Coast a brand new meaning.

    You are really getting off topic there.

    11. The FBI raid on former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate earlier this month uncovered limited set of materials that are
    potentially subject to attorney-client privilege, federal prosecutors
    said in the court filing.

    Whether or not there were things subject to attorney-client privilege
    remains to be seen. If there are, then they will either be returned to
    Trump, or more likely to the Archives where all Presidential documents
    belong.

    The democrat party has an allegiance to the democrat party not the
    people, not the constitution and not the laws of the country.

    You are reversed here. Trump has allegiance to Trump, not to the
    constitution nor the laws of the country. He demands the same loyalty
    of those working for him.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@2:280/464 to Jeff Thiele on Thu Oct 13 18:17:40 2022
    On 12 Oct 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 12 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    1. Spygate Even before Trump was the Republican nominee for presiden the democrats worked to get rid of him. They illegally used every intelligence agency at their disposal to spy on Trump, his family, hi campaign, and others around him, possibly even people in the media li Sean Hannity. This was their attempt to install Hillary Clinton as president.

    The Democrats did not spy on the Trump campaign. No credible evidence of such spying was ever found and a 2019 Justice Department Inspector
    General report said as much.

    Democrats keep sweeping stuff like this under the rug, the time will come where this dirt will be discovered that exists beneath it.

    You keep suggesting that there is nothing to see here.
    Multiple times you have said there is no credible evidence for this or for
    that but I do strongly believe a lot more will become known.

    2. Russiagate This laughable story went on for years and took many fo including the also laughable Muller investigation. They took down Michael Flynn and a few others during their farce, which started from fake dossier that Hillary Clinton purchased.

    The Mueller investigation found multiple attempts on the part of the
    Trump administration (and Trump himself) to obstruct justice. Why
    obstruct justice if one is innocent?
    If something is or has been indicated about *YOU* that is not true, wouldn't also have a defensive posture. I would think that this would a normal human reaction. The action of objecting does not prove that one is guilty to
    those spoken or written accusations. It is a assumption and speculation at best, and that is ALL that it is or ever should be until proven guilty in the court of law and definitely not a democrat who wants crowds to gather for a state execution.
    3. Media collusion Every day during the Trump presidency, it was anot lie that the fake news media spouted as they claimed the mantle of communications director for the democrat party. They lied about thing Trump didn't do and they lied about or hid the good things that Trump DID do. Working with the democrat party to coordinate their talking points, the media was a disgrace the entire four years when Trump was president.

    The media didn't lie about Trump; Trump was just a bad president (and person) and gave them plenty of fodder for their news stories. Besides,
    he loved the attention, and if he felt he wasn't getting enough of it, he'd do something else outrageous.

    Just think of the room full of money that was created by covering Trump, by
    the Television Networks without him it would be just an empty room. Trump was not a bad president and I have posted a while a HUGE list of his accomplishments. Were *you* sleeping? I can re-post it. - Not a problem.

    4. Military Leader collusion Working to help the democrat party get Trump out of office, military leaders were constantly coming out to define Trump as a threat to the country and the constitution. These people were deep staters and leftists and also former military leader who worked with the president and didn't like his policies.

    Trump was teling the military leaders to do dangerous and potentially illegal things. It was their duty to report this. There is also no evidence that they did this under the direction of, or in collusion
    with, the Democrat party.

    Specifics Jeffrey ...
    Trump was the commander and chief.
    What alleged dangerous and illegal things?

    Using the insurrection act of 1807 to use the military to put down civil unrest? Among troops, he seemed to enjoy fairly strong support. A Military Times poll showed that 46% had a favorable view of him at the start of his term, 10 points higher than President Barack Obama had in January 2017.
    or was it this... Furthermore Trump much for the military, cleaned up the
    mess at the Veterans Administration too. Was it because Trump used the military to quell street protests following the killing of George Floyd by Minneapolis police last year. Defense Secretary Mark Esper strongly and publicly opposed such a move, saying it was a job for local police and
    possibly the National Guard. Trump soured on Esper after that, and their relationship never survived. Months later, Esper was "terminated" by Trump in
    a tweet. So if it is not any of these then do tell..

    In September of 2020, right before the election, about 500 national security experts released a public letter calling Trump unfit for his role as commander-in-chief. However to this day Biden still have not take the same cognitive test that Trump already took. You know what Biden's response was "Why the hell would I take a test?" JT>

    That 500 national security experts called him unfit is really saying something. Are you absolutely certain that they were all Democrats?

    5. Amassing their Own Battalion of Terrorists with BLM and Antifa Everything that Trump did was wrong and the democrats were going to m sure that the country got the message. So they worked with BLM rioter
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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Oct 13 17:45:26 2022
    On 13 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    The Democrats did not spy on the Trump campaign. No credible evidence such spying was ever found and a 2019 Justice Department Inspector General report said as much.
    Democrats keep sweeping stuff like this under the rug, the time will
    come where this dirt will be discovered that exists beneath it.

    Without evidence, your claims mean nothing.

    You keep suggesting that there is nothing to see here.
    Multiple times you have said there is no credible evidence for this or
    for that but I do strongly believe a lot more will become known.

    If a lot more becomes known, then that will change things. But as things
    stand right now, there is no credible evidence. Your belief that there is
    some hypothetical credible evidence somewhere evidence means nothing.

    The Mueller investigation found multiple attempts on the part of the Trump administration (and Trump himself) to obstruct justice. Why obstruct justice if one is innocent?
    If something is or has been indicated about *YOU* that is not true, wouldn't also have a defensive posture. I would think that this would a normal human reaction. The action of objecting does not prove that one
    is guilty to those spoken or written accusations. It is a assumption and speculation at best, and that is ALL that it is or ever should be until proven guilty in the court of law and definitely not a democrat who
    wants crowds to gather for a state execution.

    Obstruction of justice is illegal. Trump took illegal measures to hide his behavior. Why?

    The media didn't lie about Trump; Trump was just a bad president (and person) and gave them plenty of fodder for their news stories. Beside he loved the attention, and if he felt he wasn't getting enough of it he'd do something else outrageous.
    Just think of the room full of money that was created by covering Trump, by the Television Networks without him it would be just an empty room. Trump was not a bad president and I have posted a while a HUGE list of
    his accomplishments. Were *you* sleeping? I can re-post it. - Not a problem.

    That does not in any way support your claim the the media reporting on Trump was in coordination with the Democrat party.

    Trump was teling the military leaders to do dangerous and potentially illegal things. It was their duty to report this. There is also no evidence that they did this under the direction of, or in collusion with, the Democrat party.
    Specifics Jeffrey ...
    Trump was the commander and chief.
    What alleged dangerous and illegal things?

    The very things that you are alleging the military leaders reported, Gregory. You made the allegation; surely you know the specifics.

    Using the insurrection act of 1807 to use the military to put down civil unrest? Among troops, he seemed to enjoy fairly strong support. A
    Military Times poll showed that 46% had a favorable view of him at the start of his term, 10 points higher than President Barack Obama had in January 2017. or was it this... Furthermore Trump much for the military, cleaned up the mess at the Veterans Administration too. Was it because Trump used the military to quell street protests following the killing
    of George Floyd by Minneapolis police last year. Defense Secretary Mark Esper strongly and publicly opposed such a move, saying it was a job for local police and possibly the National Guard. Trump soured on Esper
    after that, and their relationship never survived. Months later, Esper
    was "terminated" by Trump in a tweet. So if it is not any of these then
    do tell..

    Civil unrest is not insurrection. The Posse Comitatus Act does not permit the use of the US military (except the National Guard) to be used as domestic law enforcement except in very specific situations, of which civil unrest is not one.

    Trump's support among troops is entirely irrelevant to the legality of his orders.

    Did military generals oppose Trump's changes at the VA?

    Esper was correct; riots are better handled by local police or the National Guard, for the reason stated above. Street protests even more so.

    You made the claim; you should know what you were talking about.

    That 500 national security experts called him unfit is really saying something. Are you absolutely certain that they were all Democrats?

    No answer...

    5. Amassing their Own Battalion of Terrorists with BLM and Antifa Everything that Trump did was wrong and the democrats were going t sure that the country got the message. So they worked with BLM rio

    And your message inexplicably ends here.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Oct 14 12:36:50 2022
    campaign, and others around him, possibly even people in the media like Sean Hannity. This was their attempt to install Hillary Clinton as president.

    I don't trust Hannity. He's a narrative-supporter, and he wants everyone to think that Biden is mentally ill (we know otherwise.) His show is unhelpful to the conservative cause.

    I like Dan Bongino! He seems like a real conservative to me.

    This was the REAL insurrection that was happening in the country but it was both supported and ignored by the democrat party and the leftist
    media who called them peaceful protests.

    Exactly. Everything the Democrats and/or the media says is a curveball to get the eyes off of them, while they commit the misdeeds they accuse others of.

    Sometime soon, surely Kamala will announce that "Republicans are the root cause of mass migration from central America" when we know it's due to Biden's executive orders.

    Or Mayorkas will announce "We're firing CBP officers" in response to them "whipping" migrants, when it's Biden's exectutive orders that are providing
    the plot to the whole story.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@2:280/464 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Oct 14 11:47:33 2022
    On 13 Oct 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    First and foremost.
    When you don't like the evidence that has been supplied or you find it to
    be too damming. What do you do?
    I DO see what it is that you are doing. You're doing the same thing that your liberal leftist buddies do.
    You ignore the facts that have been presented in doing so your remark them out or remove them.
    It does not work like that Jeff.

    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence" John Adams March 5, 1773

    The Democrats did not spy on the Trump campaign. No credible evid such spying was ever found and a 2019 Justice Department Inspecto General report said as much.
    https://tinyurl.com/uz853d46
    CBS anchor Norah O'Donnell comes on the broadcast and one of the first things that she says is "There is no evidence of political bias, that is the conclusion of a hotly anticipated report of the start of the Russia investigation that says the FBI didn't plot against President Trump but the report uncovers serious flaws in the investigation."

    William Barr also said "Clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation on the thinest of suspensions."

    Christopher Wray conceded that some of his employees made serious mistakes and that he has ordered at least 40 steps of corrective action.
    The report also mentions fault in surveillance warrant applications with 17 significant inaccuracies and omissions in the warrant request. The report also criticized reliance on steele dossier used to justify parts of the investigation stating that much of the information was uncorroborated.

    How can one say that There is no evidence of political bias when there are obvious omissions of wrong turns within the investigation. To suggest that there is no political bias would be a considered to be a direct lie.
    The media might want to twist into their favor - w/ nothing to see here.
    Due to the analysis of the facts it is clear that there was political bias. This is why the media can not be trusted.

    The Mueller investigation found multiple attempts on the part of
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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Oct 14 11:08:46 2022
    On 14 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    First and foremost.
    When you don't like the evidence that has been supplied or you find it to be too damming. What do you do?
    I DO see what it is that you are doing. You're doing the same thing that your liberal leftist buddies do.
    You ignore the facts that have been presented in doing so your remark
    them out or remove them.
    It does not work like that Jeff.

    What you are claiming to be evidence is not evidence. It does not work like that, Gregory.

    Trump has repeatedly claimed that the "Obama campaign" spied on him. There
    was no "Obama campaign" leading up to the 2016 election. How do we know? Because Obama was not running for office in 2016.

    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the
    state of facts and evidence" John Adams March 5, 1773

    Something is not a fact just because you say it is. Present evidence.

    The Democrats did not spy on the Trump campaign. No credible e such spying was ever found and a 2019 Justice Department Inspe General report said as much.
    https://tinyurl.com/uz853d46
    CBS anchor Norah O'Donnell comes on the broadcast and one of the first things that she says is "There is no evidence of political bias, that is the conclusion of a hotly anticipated report of the start of the Russia investigation that says the FBI didn't plot against President Trump but the report uncovers serious flaws in the investigation."

    That is not evidence of the Democrats spying on the Trump campaign. Did you miss the part where you just quoted O'Donnell as saying that there is no evidence of political bias?

    William Barr also said "Clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation on the thinest of suspensions."

    That is also not evidence of the Democrats spying on the Trump campaign. Furthermore, William Barr also said that Trump's claims that there was widespread election fraud were "bull$hit."

    Also, Barr said "thinnest of suspicions," not "thinnest of suspensions."
    That's exactly the kind of gaffe that you'd crucify Biden for.

    Christopher Wray conceded that some of his employees made serious
    mistakes and that he has ordered at least 40 steps of corrective action. The report also mentions fault in surveillance warrant applications with 17 significant inaccuracies and omissions in the warrant request. The report also criticized reliance on steele dossier used to justify parts
    of the investigation stating that much of the information was uncorroborated.

    And yet, there is no evidence of political bias.

    How can one say that There is no evidence of political bias when there
    are obvious omissions of wrong turns within the investigation. To
    suggest that there is no political bias would be a considered to be a direct lie. The media might want to twist into their favor - w/ nothing
    to see here. Due to the analysis of the facts it is clear that there was political bias. This is why the media can not be trusted.

    You yourself presented a quoted Norah O'Donnell saying that there is no evidence of political bias. The presence of mistakes does not automatically imply political bias.

    The Mueller investigation found multiple attempts on the par

    And again your message abruptly ends here.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Oct 14 11:35:36 2022
    On 14 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    How can one say that There is no evidence of political bias when there
    are obvious omissions of wrong turns within the investigation. To
    suggest that there is no political bias would be a considered to be a direct lie.

    --- Quote ---
    Trump has often said that Obama had a hand in the FBI’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. The FBI operation, called
    Crossfire Hurricane, targeted four men within the Trump campaign orbit, including campaign manager Paul Manafort and national security adviser
    Michael Flynn.

    That FBI investigation itself has been the subject of investigations by the Justice Department and Congress.

    Not one found that Obama initiated or meddled in the FBI’s work. Not one concluded that the FBI lacked good reason to launch the investigation.

    "There is not a shred of evidence that it was directed by the White House," said Robert Litt, former general counsel for the Director of National Intelligence in the Obama administration.
    --- End Quote --- https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/24/fact-check-d id-obama-spy-on-trumprsquos-campaign-get-caught/42457379/ (https://tinyurl.com/mryj33t8)

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Oct 14 18:20:26 2022
    On 14 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    How can one say that There is no evidence of political bias when there
    are obvious omissions of wrong turns within the investigation. To
    suggest that there is no political bias would be a considered to be a direct lie.

    John Durham was tasked by AG Barr to investigate possible corruption in
    Robert Mueller's Russia investigation. Durham's investigation is now winding down, and what has he found? He has issued a few indictments for lying to the FBI. Well, at least that's something, you might think, but you'd be wrong.

    Think about is just a little bit more.

    Durham was tasked with investigating whether Trump was a victim of the FBI.
    But all Durham has found is that the FBI may have been the victim of people that it relied on for information. The FBI was supposed to be the aggressor, but all Durham's got are a few allegations that the FBI was a victim.

    That's actually less than nothing.

    Jeff.

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