• How stupid can an avarage USAian really get?

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ron L. on Fri Jun 17 15:11:03 2022
    If you expect Jeff to admit his error, you'll wait forever since Lefties will
    go to their graves insisting that they were right - no matter how much evidence
    to the contrary.

    And those evidence to the contrary being what? Please show us.

    Do you understand how stupid the rest of the world actually think of people like you? We are all amazed by the stupidity it takes to uncritically, actually accept all the GOP lies.

    Once upon a time, we all laughed at the Jay Walking show, when Jay Leno asked US people simple questions that even we in the free world could answer, but not even highly educated USAians could. Now, ten years later, it seems like you are even dumber than then...

    The USA is definitively going down the drains. Even your teenagers knows it, and they see no other way out but going out with a big AR-15 suicide by cop bang.



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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Björn Felten on Fri Jun 17 08:33:33 2022
    On 17 Jun 2022, Bj”rn Felten said the following...
    If you expect Jeff to admit his error, you'll wait forever since Left will
    go to their graves insisting that they were right - no matter how muc evidence
    to the contrary.
    And those evidence to the contrary being what? Please show us.

    Presumably Ron is referring to the inflation spike that the US is currently experiencing. He and others would seemingly trade inflation for tyranny. Replace "Safety" with "Financial Security," and it reminds me of the Ben Franklin quote that conservatives like to throw around so much: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety,
    deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    Do you understand how stupid the rest of the world actually think of people like you? We are all amazed by the stupidity it takes to uncritically, actually accept all the GOP lies.

    It's no coincidence that Catholics and evangelicals tend to buy into all of
    the GOP lies. They are trained from infancy to accept things without
    evidence. And that is a very useful trait for the population to have in a tyranny, not so much in a democracy.

    Once upon a time, we all laughed at the Jay Walking show, when Jay
    Leno asked US people simple questions that even we in the free world
    could answer, but not even highly educated USAians could. Now, ten years later, it seems like you are even dumber than then...

    Oh, give it another decade. You'll be wishing for today.

    The USA is definitively going down the drains. Even your teenagers knows it, and they see no other way out but going out with a big AR-15 suicide by cop bang.

    Yep.

    There's an oil crisis going on. If we put tax rates back where they were in
    the early 60s and spent as much on developing renewable energy sources as we did in putting men on the moon, we'd never be dependent on oil again. But of course, that would hurt the big GOP donors, so it won't be happening anytime soon.

    Jeff.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Jun 17 18:32:41 2022
    Presumably Ron is referring to the inflation spike that the US is currently
    experiencing.

    Ah yes, so only Biden's USA, right? So that kinda answers my question above. FYI, the last week, the inflation in Sweden was more than 7%. Do you think an average MAGA idiot can manage to blame Biden for that? More about the real reason down below.

    It's no coincidence that Catholics and evangelicals tend to buy into all of
    the GOP lies. They are trained from infancy to accept things without evidence. And that is a very useful trait for the population to have in a tyranny, not so much in a democracy.

    True. The rest of the mostly secularized world knows all about how the Christian twisted world relies on just a single badly translated word on their Holy Book has led them astray. The Hebrew word for god, Elohim, is *not* singular, it's plural. Read every part of the bible and use Elohim everywhere (plural, i.e. not God but gods) and everything will make sense.

    In the Psalm 82 verse 1 they messed up their translation when they tried to make it all monotheistic:

    "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods."

    What it really said was:

    Jehova (one of the Elohim) stood in front of the Elohim congregation, he being one of the the other Elohim (gods).

    later, it seems like you are even dumber than then...

    Oh, give it another decade. You'll be wishing for today.

    LOL! I don't think I have to wait that long. After all the 2022 midterm election is coming. And there's plenty of YouTubers waiting to expose all the dumb USAians. :-)

    There's an oil crisis going on.

    Yes it is, and it's global. And it's all created by the global oil barons. After all, not so many years ago the market price for oil was at the level it was for a few days ago. By then you guys paid some $3 per gallon, and now it suddenly cost $5? For the same world market price. And that price has gone down a lot since then, but you (and we) still pay the higher price?

    That's what capitalism gives you. If the oil companies had been socialised a long time ago, they would have been prevented from stealing money from us all. Ah yes... Lefties shit detected...

    But of course, that would hurt the big GOP donors, so it won't be happening
    anytime soon.

    True. The most important thing for you in the USA at the moment is to elect lawmakers that will make it illegal for any "donations" above $200 to either persons nor parties or other organisations. Corruption problem solved without even changing or amending your sacred constitution.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Fri Jun 17 17:16:19 2022
    True. The most important thing for you in the USA at the moment is to elect lawmakers that will make it illegal for any "donations" above $200 to either persons nor parties or other organisations. Corruption problem solved without even changing or amending your sacred constitution.

    I like that idea, but it's not the ultimate solution to election corruption. Every city makes their own corrupt election laws, so if candidates are not taking millions from George Soros then they're changing "election day" to "election week" to allow time for the tide to turn, or they're doing "unnanounced road work" on major streets on election day in conservative regions. This country sucks at handling elections. Do they have more integrity in Sweden?

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Jun 18 03:28:49 2022
    This country sucks at handling elections. Do they have more integrity
    in Sweden?

    Well, maybe not, but if anyone is caught taking bribes, all hell is being raised. It is totally illegal here. :-)



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sat Jun 18 03:30:43 2022
    Hello Bj”rn,

    If you expect Jeff to admit his error, you'll wait forever since
    Lefties will
    go to their graves insisting that they were right - no matter how
    much evidence
    to the contrary.

    And those evidence to the contrary being what? Please show us.

    Be careful. We have both stupid *and* crazy in this country.
    No telling which are more dangerous.

    Do you understand how stupid the rest of the world actually think of people
    like you?

    Relax. Nothing to worry about. Trump told us he is a "stable" genius.

    We are all amazed by the stupidity it takes to uncritically, actually accept
    all the GOP lies.

    Trump would never lie to us ...

    Once upon a time, we all laughed at the Jay Walking show, when Jay Leno asked US people simple questions that even we in the free world could answer, but not even highly educated USAians could. Now, ten years later, it seems like you are even dumber than then...

    Jay Leno is no Jimmy Fallon. And never had Joe Biden on his show
    as a guest. Fallon rocks!

    The USA is definitively going down the drains. Even your teenagers knows it,
    and they see no other way out but going out with a big AR-15 suicide by cop
    bang.

    Can you think of a better way?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Sat Jun 18 00:17:02 2022
    On 06-17-22 18:32, Bj”rn Felten <=-
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    True. The most important thing for you in the USA at the moment is
    to elect lawmakers that will make it illegal for any
    "donations" above $200 to either persons nor parties or
    other organisations. Corruption problem solved without even
    changing or amending your sacred constitution.

    I presume you are talking about political donations. Such a rule would
    help, but it would not solve the problem of "independent" PACs spending
    all sorts of money in support of some political candidate.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jun 18 13:34:05 2022
    Such a rule would
    help, but it would not solve the problem of "independent" PACs spending all sorts of money in support of some political candidate.

    Don't you have some law that makes them tell the IRS about "donations" above $200? If not, I'm sorry, I got lost somewhere in the labyrinth of US corruption. :-)



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Sat Jun 18 23:52:00 2022
    On 06-18-22 13:34, Bj”rn Felten <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about How stupid can an a <=-

    Such a rule would
    help, but it would not solve the problem of "independent" PACs spending all sorts of money in support of some political candidate.

    Don't you have some law that makes them tell the IRS
    about "donations" above $200? If not, I'm sorry, I got lost
    somewhere in the labyrinth of US corruption. :-)

    Not that I know of. Note that there is the IRS who collect taxes and
    the Campaign Finance folks who monitor donations to political
    candidates. This thread was about campaign donations. The IRS does not
    get involved in them, candidates are supposed to report donations.

    There is a law that a donation to anyone of more than US$10,000 needs
    to be reported to IRS and that there is a special gift tax on it.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jun 19 21:51:35 2022
    Don't you have some law that makes them tell the IRS
    about "donations" above $200? If not, I'm sorry, I got lost
    somewhere in the labyrinth of US corruption. :-)

    Not that I know of. Note that there is the IRS who collect taxes and
    the Campaign Finance folks who monitor donations to political
    candidates.

    Well, excuse an effin furrener for not being able to keep track of all the corruption going on in the US of A. But I *DO* know, that at least in some states, there was attempts to put a limit to the bribes.

    Like e.g. this:

    "County residents, frustrated by money's influence on politics, set the $200 cap by a vote in 1990. Since then, use of the corporation loophole in campaign financing has become a familiar phenomenon in Sarasota County."

    Yeah, well, good luck with your rampant corruption, that probably will not end well, unless you at least first cap all donations, and secondly get rid of that corruption capitol of yours, the senate, that has not contributed anything positive to your country for more than a century.



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Mon Jun 20 00:09:02 2022
    On 06-19-22 21:51, Bj”rn Felten <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about How stupid can an av <=-


    Well, excuse an effin furrener for not being able to keep track of
    all the corruption going on in the US of A. But I *DO* know, that
    at least in some states, there was attempts to put a limit
    to the bribes.

    No excusing needed. It is getting more and more difficult to keep track
    of ourselves.

    Like e.g. this:

    "County residents, frustrated by money's influence on
    politics, set the $200 cap by a vote in 1990. Since then,
    use of the corporation loophole in campaign financing has
    become a familiar phenomenon in Sarasota County."

    One county in the state of Florida.

    Yeah, well, good luck with your rampant corruption, that probably
    will not end well, unless you at least first cap all donations, and

    I agree with that -- the excessive donations by a few individuals and
    groups has warped the democratic process.

    secondly get rid of that corruption capitol of yours, the
    senate, that has not contributed anything positive to your
    country for more than a century.

    I would not go that far. Think Civil Rights Act, ACA (aka Obamacare).
    I could not argue with for more than a decade though.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Tue Jun 21 03:49:50 2022
    This country sucks at handling elections. Do they have more integrity in Sweden?

    Well, maybe not, but if anyone is caught taking bribes, all hell is being raised. It is totally illegal here. :-)

    Excellent! Don't let them get away with it! Or you could end up with a shadow regime like we've got here in the usa.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Tue Jun 21 17:29:51 2022
    secondly get rid of that corruption capitol of yours, the
    senate, that has not contributed anything positive to your
    country for more than a century.

    I would not go that far. Think Civil Rights Act, ACA (aka Obamacare).
    I could not argue with for more than a decade though.

    How exactly did the Senate contribute to any of those two? Isn't it the Congress that writes the laws, and the Senate that blocks them? At least those that does not conform to the will of their major donors...



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Wed Jun 22 01:18:04 2022
    On 06-21-22 17:29, Bj”rn Felten <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about How stupid can an av <=-


    secondly get rid of that corruption capitol of yours, the
    senate, that has not contributed anything positive to your
    country for more than a century.

    I would not go that far. Think Civil Rights Act, ACA (aka Obamacare).
    I could not argue with for more than a decade though.

    How exactly did the Senate contribute to any of those two? Isn't it
    the Congress that writes the laws, and the Senate that blocks
    them? At least those that does not conform to the will of
    their major donors...

    The Senate is part of the Congress. No bill becomes law without being
    passed by the Senate (and the House).

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jun 26 03:53:47 2022
    secondly get rid of that corruption capitol of yours, the
    senate, that has not contributed anything positive to your
    country for more than a century.

    How exactly did the Senate contribute to any of those two? Isn't it

    The Senate is part of the Congress. No bill becomes law without being passed by the Senate (and the House).

    I know that. Hence my question, how has the Senate ever *contributed* to anything? Do they make the laws any better in some strange way?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Sun Jun 26 01:11:04 2022
    On 06-26-22 03:53, Bj”rn Felten <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about How stupid can an av <=-

    The Senate is part of the Congress. No bill becomes law without being passed by the Senate (and the House).

    I know that. Hence my question, how has the Senate ever
    *contributed* to anything? Do they make the laws any better
    in some strange way?

    Sometimes the Senate contributes, sometimes they take away from a house
    bill before passing it, and sometimes they originate a new bill -- such
    as the (weak) gun control that was just passed by both chambers and
    signed by Biden.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Mon Jun 27 04:31:00 2022
    Hello Dale,

    The Senate is part of the Congress. No bill becomes law without being
    passed by the Senate (and the House).

    I know that. Hence my question, how has the Senate ever
    *contributed* to anything? Do they make the laws any better
    in some strange way?

    Sometimes the Senate contributes, sometimes they take away from a house bill before passing it, and sometimes they originate a new bill -- such
    as the (weak) gun control that was just passed by both chambers and
    signed by Biden.

    The Senate is needed to ratify treaties. And for "advice and consent"
    in regards to judges and justices for federal courts.

    For Life,
    Lee

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