• Bullshit

    From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to All on Fri Jun 10 18:13:52 2022
    After careful consideration over a few drinks, I've decided that I will
    be responding to blatant and readily disprovable lies posted here with the
    word "Bullshit."

    Now, technically, the echo rules say that swearing should be kept to a
    minimum, so I'm placing that responsibility on you: Please verify all claims before you post them in order to keep swearing to a minimum.

    Thank you,
    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sat Jun 11 11:39:00 2022
    After careful consideration over a few drinks, I've decided that I will
    be responding to blatant and readily disprovable lies posted here with the word "Bulls***."

    Now, technically, the echo rules say that swearing should be kept to a minimum, so I'm placing that responsibility on you: Please verify all claims before you post them in order to keep swearing to a minimum.

    You are not the moderator here.

    BS is acceptable. Spelling it out is not. It is up to you and you only as
    to how you react to things.

    If you continue down your stated path, your posts in this echo will disappear from anyone's BBS that gets their feed from me.

    First warning.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Jun 11 18:46:08 2022
    On 11 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    After careful consideration over a few drinks, I've decided that I will be responding to blatant and readily disprovable lies posted here with t word "Bulls***."
    Now, technically, the echo rules say that swearing should be kept to a minimum, so I'm placing that responsibility on you: Please verify all cl before you post them in order to keep swearing to a minimum.
    You are not the moderator here.

    I am not. But I am free to interpret the rules as I see fit, with regards to
    my own behavior. Incidentally, "to a minimum" is failry vague and ill-defined.

    BS is acceptable. Spelling it out is not. It is up to you and you only as to how you react to things.

    I will only spell it out in response to blatant and readily disprovable lies.
    I will spell it out for no other reason. That should comply with keeping it
    to a minimum.

    If you continue down your stated path, your posts in this echo will disappear from anyone's BBS that gets their feed from me.

    I will be keeping my swearing to a minimum, in compliance with the rules.

    Aren't logical fallacies likewise to be kept to a minimum? I don't see you enforcing those.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Jun 11 18:53:34 2022
    On 11 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    If you continue down your stated path, your posts in this echo will disappear from anyone's BBS that gets their feed from me.

    It's almost as if you think there are a lot of blatant and easily disprovable lies being posted here. That's not a very good vote of confidence in your ideological brethren, now is it?

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Sun Jun 12 03:19:32 2022
    [..]

    You [Jeff Thiele] are not the moderator here.

    All participants, including moderator wannabes, are free to write
    any words they want, including with all the letters being clearly
    spelled out.

    BS is acceptable. Spelling it out is not. It is up to you and you only as
    to how you react to things.

    Go piss on a rope.

    If you continue down your stated path, your posts in this echo will disappear from anyone's BBS that gets their feed from me.

    First warning.

    Fidonet Policy 4

    9 Resolution of Disputes

    9.1 General

    The FidoNet judicial philosophy can be summed up in two rules:

    1) Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.

    2) Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.

    In other words, there are no hard and fast rules of conduct, but
    reasonably polite behavior is expected. Also, in any dispute both
    sides are examined, and action could be taken against either or
    both parties. ("Judge not, lest ye be judged!")

    In summation, go piss on a rope.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Jun 11 20:37:48 2022
    On 12 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    If you continue down your stated path, your posts in this echo will disappear from anyone's BBS that gets their feed from me.

    The problem with this threat, of course, is that if I follow down my stated path but no blatant and easily disprovable lies are posted here, no one will know whether I have followed down my stated path or not.

    This means that Mike is fully expecting blatant and easily disprovable lies
    to be posted here, and *lots* of them; otherwise he would not consider my following of my stated path to be an issue. On the contrary, it caught his attention *real* quick.

    This, then, means that Mike knows that lies and misinformation are being
    posted here, but chooses to do nothing about it, either as a regular user or
    a moderator. That he refuses to correct lies from his fellow conservatives makes Mike (the user) quite the dishonest hypocrite, as Mike (the moderator) has so amply demonstrated.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Jun 12 15:32:19 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    After careful consideration over a few drinks, I've decided that I
    will
    be responding to blatant and readily disprovable lies posted here
    with t
    word "Bulls***."
    Now, technically, the echo rules say that swearing should be kept
    to a
    minimum, so I'm placing that responsibility on you: Please verify
    all cl
    before you post them in order to keep swearing to a minimum.
    You are not the moderator here.

    I am not. But I am free to interpret the rules as I see fit, with regards to
    my own behavior.

    Please do -

    Fidonet Policy 4

    9 Resolution of Disputes

    9.1 General

    The FidoNet judicial philosophy can be summed up in two rules:

    1) Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.

    2) Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.

    In other words, there are no hard and fast rules of conduct, but
    reasonably polite behavior is expected. Also, in any dispute both
    sides are examined, and action could be taken against either or
    both parties. ("Judge not, lest ye be judged!")

    Your claim of being a Fidonet sysop holds you responsible and
    accountable for your own actions.

    Since I make no claim to be a Fidonet sysop, I cannot be held
    responsible or accountable for my actions. And that is one of the
    best things about freedom. The freedom to do as I please.

    Incidentally, "to a minimum" is failry vague and ill-defined.

    It's almost like being a little bit pregnant. But us guys don't
    have to worry about things like that ...

    BS is acceptable. Spelling it out is not. It is up to you and you
    only
    as to how you react to things.

    I will only spell it out in response to blatant and readily disprovable lies.
    I will spell it out for no other reason. That should comply with keeping it
    to a minimum.

    I'll spell it out in Cajun French. Or maybe in Pig Latin for the
    learning impaired. Howzzat?

    If you continue down your stated path, your posts in this echo will
    disappear from anyone's BBS that gets their feed from me.

    I will be keeping my swearing to a minimum, in compliance with the rules.

    The FidoNet judicial philosophy can be summed up in two rules:

    1) Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.

    2) Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.

    In other words, there are no hard and fast rules of conduct, but
    reasonably polite behavior is expected. Also, in any dispute both
    sides are examined, and action could be taken against either or
    both parties. ("Judge not, lest ye be judged!")

    Aren't logical fallacies likewise to be kept to a minimum? I don't see you enforcing those.

    There is no logical fallacy -

    The FidoNet judicial philosophy can be summed up in two rules:

    1) Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.

    2) Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.

    If there is, please show me.

    I'll make it even simpler for you to look -

    "Judge not, lest ye be judged!")

    There you go. Fidonet's Judicial Philosophy.
    All summed up, in six little words.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Jun 12 09:03:07 2022
    On 12 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    Aren't logical fallacies likewise to be kept to a minimum? I don't se enforcing those.
    There is no logical fallacy -

    From the rules, as posted by Mike:
    # Resist logical fallacies. Don't know what a logical fallacy is? The
    website logicalfallicies.info is a great place to check. We all fall
    victim to logical fallacies but don't fall for them all the time.

    That's about as strongly worded as, "Please keep the swearing to a minimum," don't you think?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Jun 12 04:12:15 2022
    This, then, means that Mike knows that lies and misinformation are being posted here, but chooses to do nothing about it, either as a regular

    None of us have any expertise to talk about lies and/or misinformation. Everyone's either fed the breast milk from Fox News, or the vomit from CNN. None of us can prove anything, other than "this website said this.."

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sun Jun 12 10:44:00 2022
    If you continue down your stated path, your posts in this echo will disappear from anyone's BBS that gets their feed from me.

    It's almost as if you think there are a lot of blatant and easily disprovable lies being posted here. That's not a very good vote of confidence in your ideological brethren, now is it?

    No, but I do know that "easily disprovable" for you often means "what I say
    is so." You argue with Aaron all the time but rarely back up your posts
    with any links to anything that proves what you say is true.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sun Jun 12 11:10:00 2022
    Aren't logical fallacies likewise to be kept to a minimum? I don't see you enforcing those.

    Swearing is easy to catch, especially when someone threatens to do so,
    knowing it is against the rules but assuming that the rules don't apply to them.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sun Jun 12 11:27:48 2022
    On 12 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    If you continue down your stated path, your posts in this echo will disappear from anyone's BBS that gets their feed from me.
    It's almost as if you think there are a lot of blatant and easily dispro lies being posted here. That's not a very good vote of confidence in you ideological brethren, now is it?
    No, but I do know that "easily disprovable" for you often means "what I say is so." You argue with Aaron all the time but rarely back up your posts with any links to anything that proves what you say is true.

    I don't need to. Most of Aaron's BS is plainly obvious. Just yesterday he claimed that the January 6 Committee is doing their investigation as revenge for Trump not accepting a bribe. WTF? Can you find a link disproving that?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sun Jun 12 11:37:48 2022
    On 12 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Aren't logical fallacies likewise to be kept to a minimum? I don't see y enforcing those.
    Swearing is easy to catch, especially when someone threatens to do so, knowing it is against the rules but assuming that the rules don't apply
    to them.

    The rules allow a minimum amount of swearing, for some definition of
    "minimum." I don't think that the rules don't apply to me.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Jun 12 22:13:27 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    If you continue down your stated path, your posts in this echo
    will
    disappear from anyone's BBS that gets their feed from me.

    The problem with this threat, of course, is that if I follow down my stated
    path but no blatant and easily disprovable lies are posted here, no one will
    know whether I have followed down my stated path or not.

    It is an empty threat, as participants can get their feed from many
    sources.

    This means that Mike is fully expecting blatant and easily disprovable lies
    to be posted here, and *lots* of them; otherwise he would not consider my following of my stated path to be an issue. On the contrary, it caught his attention *real* quick.

    Makes no difference what Mike expects or thinks. Participants and
    lurkers alike recognize his own incompetence by his own actions.

    This, then, means that Mike knows that lies and misinformation are being posted here, but chooses to do nothing about it, either as a regular user or
    a moderator. That he refuses to correct lies from his fellow conservatives makes Mike (the user) quite the dishonest hypocrite, as Mike (the moderator)
    has so amply demonstrated.

    As noted in P4, the judicial philosophy of Fidonet is "judge not,
    lest ye be judged". This makes all self-professed "moderators" nothing
    but paper tigers.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Jun 13 02:10:48 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    Aren't logical fallacies likewise to be kept to a minimum? I don't
    see y
    enforcing those.
    Swearing is easy to catch, especially when someone threatens to do
    so,
    knowing it is against the rules but assuming that the rules don't
    apply
    to them.

    The rules allow a minimum amount of swearing, for some definition of "minimum." I don't think that the rules don't apply to me.

    None of his silly rules apply to me. So why should they apply
    to you? Or to anybody else, for that matter?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Jun 13 02:10:56 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    Aren't logical fallacies likewise to be kept to a minimum? I
    don't se
    enforcing those.
    There is no logical fallacy -

    From the rules, as posted by Mike:
    # Resist logical fallacies. Don't know what a logical fallacy is? The
    website logicalfallicies.info is a great place to check. We all fall
    victim to logical fallacies but don't fall for them all the time.

    That's about as strongly worded as, "Please keep the swearing to a minimum,"
    don't you think?

    Since there is no minimum or maximum, it is just as stupid.
    So what is the point of his silly rule?

    I stated the judicial philosophy of Fidonet, as shown in P4.
    Make of it what you will. All sysops are expected to abide by
    those principles, as silly as those principles are.

    So who is Mike Powell to tell everybody else what to do or
    how to behave in this echo, or anywhere else in Fidonet?

    Mike Powell is a participant, and free to participate in this
    echo as the rest of us. And he can abide by whatever rules of his
    own making he so wishes.

    Hans Christian Andersen loved those kinds of people. Even wrote
    a paper about them, entitled "The Emperor Wore No Clothes".

    That about sums it up.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Jun 12 22:32:34 2022
    I don't need to. Most of Aaron's BS is plainly obvious. Just yesterday he claimed that the January 6 Committee is doing their investigation as revenge for Trump not accepting a bribe. WTF? Can you find a link disproving that?

    That's not what I said, and it wasn't yesterday.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Jun 12 19:18:18 2022
    On 13 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    The rules allow a minimum amount of swearing, for some definition of "minimum." I don't think that the rules don't apply to me.
    None of his silly rules apply to me. So why should they apply
    to you? Or to anybody else, for that matter?

    Well, seeing as he's threatened to partially silence me...

    I'm ok with rules. But I'm not ok with silly, petty rules that value
    individual words over lies and misinformation.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Jun 12 19:21:08 2022
    On 13 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    That's about as strongly worded as, "Please keep the swearing to a minimum,"
    don't you think?
    Since there is no minimum or maximum, it is just as stupid.
    So what is the point of his silly rule?

    "to a minimum" could be interpreted as "one less than I otherwise would
    have." But how is Mike to know how many swear words I would have posted, had this rule not been in place?

    I stated the judicial philosophy of Fidonet, as shown in P4.
    Make of it what you will. All sysops are expected to abide by
    those principles, as silly as those principles are.
    So who is Mike Powell to tell everybody else what to do or
    how to behave in this echo, or anywhere else in Fidonet?

    I agree with swearing in moderation, but when lies and misinformation become
    so egregious as to threaten our democracy, I draw the line.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jun 12 19:38:09 2022
    On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I don't need to. Most of Aaron's BS is plainly obvious. Just yesterda claimed that the January 6 Committee is doing their investigation as revenge for Trump not accepting a bribe. WTF? Can you find a link disproving that?
    That's not what I said, and it wasn't yesterday.

    That is exactly what you said, and you had continued to push this lie up
    until the day before I posted this.

    If you feel that my summation of your comments is in error, perhaps you could clarify for us?

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Jun 13 02:26:30 2022
    On 06-12-22 18:18, Jeff Thiele <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Bullsh!t <=-

    Cash bail is an option for judges, but it's not being used enough.

    That's your opinion. Perhaps you should go to law school and become a judge.

    Not all judges are lawyers. I am reasonably certain that not all
    Supreme Court Justices have been lawyers, although all sitting Justices
    at present have law degrees.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)





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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Dale Shipp on Mon Jun 13 08:21:23 2022
    On 13 Jun 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...
    Cash bail is an option for judges, but it's not being used enough.
    That's your opinion. Perhaps you should go to law school and become a judge.
    Not all judges are lawyers. I am reasonably certain that not all
    Supreme Court Justices have been lawyers, although all sitting Justices
    at present have law degrees.

    That does seem to be the current trend.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Jun 13 22:56:16 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    The rules allow a minimum amount of swearing, for some
    definition of
    "minimum." I don't think that the rules don't apply to me.
    None of his silly rules apply to me. So why should they apply
    to you? Or to anybody else, for that matter?

    Well, seeing as he's threatened to partially silence me...

    Empty threats in these days, thanks to the FidoWeb.

    I'm ok with rules.

    Participants own the echo. It is participants who decide whatever
    rules to play by, if any. Those who don't like it, vote with their
    feet.

    But I'm not ok with silly, petty rules that value individual words over lies
    and misinformation.

    It is not about rules, but rather control.

    None of his silly rules apply to me. Or to anybody else for that
    matter. The participants own the echo, not any single individual.

    No rules have been proposed.
    No vote by participants has been taken.

    Mike is free to state openly whatever rules he wants.
    But none are binding on anybody.
    However, since he has publicly posted his own rules in this echo,
    the least he could do is follow them himself.

    Now you understand his need for control.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Jun 13 22:56:23 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    That's about as strongly worded as, "Please keep the swearing to a
    minimum,"
    don't you think?
    Since there is no minimum or maximum, it is just as stupid.
    So what is the point of his silly rule?

    "to a minimum" could be interpreted as "one less than I otherwise would have." But how is Mike to know how many swear words I would have posted, had
    this rule not been in place?

    Mike is an individual participant in this echo. No different than
    you or me. Or anybody else.

    Mike does not get to dictate to anybody what they can, or cannot
    write. Or how many swear words, if any, they can write. That is a
    free choice for all participants to make, as individuals.

    I stated the judicial philosophy of Fidonet, as shown in P4.
    Make of it what you will. All sysops are expected to abide by
    those principles, as silly as those principles are.
    So who is Mike Powell to tell everybody else what to do or
    how to behave in this echo, or anywhere else in Fidonet?

    I agree with swearing in moderation, but when lies and misinformation become
    so egregious as to threaten our democracy, I draw the line.

    If a paricipant wants to spew profane words all over the place
    with messages he/she writes, it is not very likely he/she will get
    many replies. But it is his/her own choice as per use of language.

    Everybody in this echo has a <N>ext key. So why does anybody even
    need a rule? People do not need any rule to tell them what to do.
    They already have the ways, and the means, to do it themselves.

    People curse and swear all the time. It is part of life. Not many
    people go through life always saying nice things to each other. Or
    even acting nice.

    What Mike wants is control. Why? Because he is a control freak.
    When he has lost an argument, he vents. And acts like baby Trump.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Mon Jun 13 22:56:35 2022
    Hello Dale,

    Cash bail is an option for judges, but it's not being used enough.

    That's your opinion. Perhaps you should go to law school and become a
    judge.

    Not all judges are lawyers. I am reasonably certain that not all
    Supreme Court Justices have been lawyers, although all sitting Justices
    at present have law degrees.

    The only qualification for USSC that I am aware of is to be at least
    18 years of age. Nothing about being a lawyer, or even having attended
    law school. You are correct in assuming not all USSC justices have
    been lawyers, or have had law degrees.

    --Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Sat Aug 13 09:33:00 2022
    I am of the opinion that judges should obtain office only as a result of
    a peer review, and not based on any sort of popular opinion.

    Those peers would be biased about what they are for and against, just like
    any other person. The original group of peers would also have to obtain
    their jobs via the current method, which means they would likely heavily
    lean towards what the person(s) who appointed them are for and against.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ib Joe on Fri May 26 02:40:06 2023
    On 05-25-23 14:35, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Durham Report explain <=-

    Recent history... recall back in the day when the Democrats lowered
    the threshold for 60 to simple majority to cram through some
    Obama appointees... remember?? and what did we say then...
    don't do it because someday you won't be in power and you
    might regret it.... and then you changed the rules to
    appoint federal Judges from a 60 vote to simple majority...
    and we said don't do that because someday you won't be in
    power and you may regret it...

    Well then the GOP changed the rules, as per the Democrats
    prior actions, we lowered the threshold for Justices and we
    crammed in 3 conservative justices... remember how pissed
    y'all were...

    Think more about the reasons for that displeasure. The Senate (i.e.
    Mitch McConnell) denied Obama to even bring a nominee to a vote for
    almost a year. But then Trump rammed through a nominee only several
    weeks before his term expired.

    Had normal procedure would have been followed, Obama would have gotten a nominee, Trump would have gotten only one nominee and the Biden would
    have gotten the third one.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Dale Shipp on Fri May 26 08:43:06 2023
    On 26 May 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...


    Think more about the reasons for that displeasure. The Senate (i.e.
    Mitch McConnell) denied Obama to even bring a nominee to a vote for
    almost a year. But then Trump rammed through a nominee only several
    weeks before his term expired.

    Had normal procedure would have been followed, Obama would have gotten a nominee, Trump would have gotten only one nominee and the Biden would
    have gotten the third one.


    That's true... and it started with the Democrats changing rules to cram Obama's appointees and federal judges.... They were told not to do it because someday they won't be in power and they may regret it. And there was a day they weren't in power and the GOP played the democrats rules and won the day...

    You seriously cannot stand by and watch the democrats play dirty and have nothing to say... and when the GOP play by their, the democrats rules, you call foul.

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