Hooray for Dr. Oz! He beat that fake RINO Dave Mccormick!

I like Dr. Oz! He's a straight talker. I never knew how cool he was until he became a candidate for US senate. My spidy senses tell me that Dr. Oz will
beat John Fetterman in the general election. Rural Pennsylvanians are NOT
happy about the Biden crime crisis in their state, and no media prick has been more down to earth than Dr. Oz.

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On 04 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Hooray for Dr. Oz! He beat that fake RINO Dave Mccormick!

If a RINO is a Republican In Name Only, is a fake RINO a real Republican?

Oz is a fraud.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

Hooray for Dr. Oz! He beat that fake RINO Dave Mccormick!

The Republican nomination, with not all votes counted, by 972 votes.
Without a recount, due to McCormick conceding. Not exactly a resounding "victory" - especially with the third-place candidate finishing close
behind.

I like Dr. Oz!

What is there to like about a carpetbagger and political tourist
who moved from out of state to run in Pennsylvania?

He's a straight talker.

Born in the USA. Muslim. Served in Turkey's military, and voted
in its 2018 election. Said he would renounce his Turkish citizenship
if he won the November election (for the US Senate). Accused his
opponent (McCormick) of making "bigoted" attacks, even though the
biggest bigot on the face of this planet (Donald Trump) has given
Dr. Oz the endorsement he so dearly loves.

I never knew how cool he was until he became a candidate for US senate.

The US does not recognize dual citizenship. Except for those
from Israel and Vatican City. So please tell me why Dr. Oz refuses
to renounce his Turkish citizenship. Remember, this is a candidate
for the US Senate. Who are his real loyalties to? Remember, you
are talking about a man who has voted in Turkey's elections, and
served in Turkey's military.

US citizens who travel to another country, and become citizens
of that country, are required to renounce their US citizenship by
US law. Not only did Dr. Oz skirt US law, but he also served in
a foreign country's military. To the delight of Turkey's Muslim
president, who is threatening to block Sweden and Finland from
joining NATO.

My spidy senses tell me that Dr. Oz will beat John Fetterman in the general
election.

Democrats can substitute some else if Fetterman is unable to continue
his campaign due to health reasons. But just because he almost died
does not mean he is dead. At least not yet. So please. Do not get your
hopes up.

Rural Pennsylvanians are NOT happy about the Biden crime crisis in their state, and no media prick has been more down to earth than Dr. Oz.

Fetterman won the Democratic primary quite easily, thumping the
rest of the field handily in every part of the state. He will do
the same with Dr. Oz (whose only redeeming quality is to be
married to a Pennsylvania native).

If Dr. Oz is somehow elected to the US Senate, expect Sharia Law
to be legalized here. Just as it is in the UK (the mayor of London
is Muslim).

--Lee

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Hello Jeff,

Hooray for Dr. Oz! He beat that fake RINO Dave Mccormick!

If a RINO is a Republican In Name Only, is a fake RINO a real Republican?

Oz is a fraud.

Dr. Oz was born in the USA.
Dr. Oz is Muslim.
The US requires no religious test to run or hold office.
However, the US does not recognize dual citizenship.
Except for those from Israel and Vatican City.
Dr. Oz is a citizen of Turkey.
Dr. Oz voted in Turkey's elections in 2018.
Dr. Oz has also served in Turkey's military.
Dr. Oz has ever renounced his Turkish citizenship.

When a US citizen becomes a citizen of another country,
he/she is required to renounce his/her US citizenship.

Why has Dr. Oz not been deported?

Maybe because he has two passports.
That might explain it.
Uses his Turkish passport when traveling to Turkey.
Uses his US passport when traveling to the US.

Dr. Oz says he will renounce his Turkish citizenship
if he wins the November election.
Why not now?
What is so precious to him about being a citizen of Turkey?
As a practicing Muslim, and a practicing doctor, he should know.
Or maybe he is just practicing.

--Lee

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Hello Jeff,

Hooray for Dr. Oz! He beat that fake RINO Dave Mccormick!

If a RINO is a Republican In Name Only, is a fake RINO a real Republican?

He voted in Turkiye's elections in 2018, and also served in Turkiye's
military. What a turkey. Doesn't even realize the country changed its
name (as recognized around the world and by the United Nations).

Oz is a fraud.

Dr. Oz is a citizen of Turkey. Oops. Make that Turkiye.
This is the oath he recited, every day, as a student -

Student Oath (akin to the US Pledge of Allegiance)

Turkish:

Türküm, doğruyum, çalışkanım. İlkem, küçüklerimi korumak, büyüklerimi
saymak, yurdumu, milletimi, özümden çok sevmektir. Ülküm, yükselmek, ileri gitmektir.

Ey büyük Atatürk! Açtığın yolda, gösterdiğin hedefe durmadan yürüyeceğime ant içerim.

Varlığım Türk varlığına armağan olsun. Ne mutlu Türküm diyene !

English :

I am a Turk, honest and hardworking. My principle is to protect the
younger, to respect the elder, to love my homeland and my nation more
than myself. My ideal is to rise, to progress.

O Great Atatürk ! On the path that you have paved, I swear to walk
incessantly toward the aims that you have set.

My existence shall be dedicated to the Turkish existence. How happy is
the one who says "I am a Turk!".

In order to serve in Turkiye's military, he had to recite Turkiye's
military Oath of Allegiance. That is who he has sworn to serve, and is
most loyal.

After all, he has said it himself. Many times. "I am a Turk!"

--Lee

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On 04 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Student Oath (akin to the US Pledge of Allegiance)

[...]

English :
I am a Turk, honest and hardworking. My principle is to protect the younger, to respect the elder, to love my homeland and my nation more
than myself. My ideal is to rise, to progress.

[...]

We could learn a thing or two from that part.

Jeff.

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Hooray for Dr. Oz! He beat that fake RINO Dave Mccormick!

If a RINO is a Republican In Name Only, is a fake RINO a real Republican?

Thanks for that correction. Dave Mccormick is a REAL RINO. Not because I like Dr Oz so much, but because Dave was a George W Bush appointee. Nice try
though, by your people! ;)

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I like Dr. Oz!

What is there to like about a carpetbagger and political tourist
who moved from out of state to run in Pennsylvania?

I was outraged when Hillary became a senator in NY. Everyone knew them as an Arkansas family, suddenly the sex offender's wife became "US senator from NY." (So it's an eye for an eye.)

Born in the USA. Muslim. Served in Turkey's military, and voted
in its 2018 election. Said he would renounce his Turkish citizenship

Turkey's a good country. Dr Oz might need to escape back to Turkey some day, depending on how bad the Democrats do us in with all this radicalism and crime.

a foreign country's military. To the delight of Turkey's Muslim
president, who is threatening to block Sweden and Finland from
joining NATO.

You think Dr Oz is a spy for the Turkish government? Because he's a muslim
from Turkey? There's a word for that. If Dr Oz doesn't want Sweden nor Finland to join NATO, then what is the big deal? The North Atlantic Council doesn't revolve around Dr. Oz and never will.

Democrats can substitute some else if Fetterman is unable to continue
his campaign due to health reasons. But just because he almost died
does not mean he is dead. At least not yet. So please. Do not get your hopes up.

You've never been good at doing the twist; that doesn't add up. Only your people would use someone's medical problem as "if you don't vote for this person it's because you don't have compassion for people with his medical condition."

If Dr. Oz is somehow elected to the US Senate, expect Sharia Law
to be legalized here. Just as it is in the UK (the mayor of London
is Muslim).

You have too much paranoia. If he gets elected as president, then he can enact Sharia Law, but Joe will have already dismantled the USA before the next election ever takes place.

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On 04 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

If a RINO is a Republican In Name Only, is a fake RINO a real Republi

Thanks for that correction. Dave Mccormick is a REAL RINO. Not because I like Dr Oz so much, but because Dave was a George W Bush appointee. Nice try though, by your people! ;)

So all George W. Bush appointees are RINOs? Interesting.

Jeff.

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On 04 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

What is there to like about a carpetbagger and political tourist
who moved from out of state to run in Pennsylvania?

I was outraged when Hillary became a senator in NY. Everyone knew them
as an Arkansas family, suddenly the sex offender's wife became "US
senator from NY." (So it's an eye for an eye.)

"An eye for an eye" leads to everyone being blind.

Born in the USA. Muslim. Served in Turkey's military, and voted
in its 2018 election. Said he would renounce his Turkish citizenship

Turkey's a good country. Dr Oz might need to escape back to Turkey some day, depending on how bad the Democrats do us in with all this
radicalism and crime.

Perhaps you might like Turkey.

a foreign country's military. To the delight of Turkey's Muslim president, who is threatening to block Sweden and Finland from joining NATO.

You think Dr Oz is a spy for the Turkish government? Because he's a
muslim from Turkey? There's a word for that. If Dr Oz doesn't want
Sweden nor Finland to join NATO, then what is the big deal? The North Atlantic Council doesn't revolve around Dr. Oz and never will.

The only good Muslim is a Republican Muslim, eh?

Democrats can substitute some else if Fetterman is unable to continue his campaign due to health reasons. But just because he almost died does not mean he is dead. At least not yet. So please. Do not get you hopes up.

You've never been good at doing the twist; that doesn't add up. Only your people would use someone's medical problem as "if you don't vote for this person it's because you don't have compassion for people with his medical condition."

That's not at all what he said.

If Dr. Oz is somehow elected to the US Senate, expect Sharia Law
to be legalized here. Just as it is in the UK (the mayor of London
is Muslim).

You have too much paranoia. If he gets elected as president, then he can enact Sharia Law, but Joe will have already dismantled the USA before
the next election ever takes place.

Mm-hmm, sure. Prediction noted.

Jeff.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

Hooray for Dr. Oz! He beat that fake RINO Dave Mccormick!

To me, Dr. Oz has the Hollywood taint and he can't shake it.

There was a time when you could be part of the entertainment industry, but still have trustworthiness. But that time is long gone.

Oz may be a great, upstanding, honest guy who will do a really good job. But because he was associated with people like Oprah, I'll avoid him.


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On 05 Jun 2022, Ron L. said the following...

Hooray for Dr. Oz! He beat that fake RINO Dave Mccormick!

But because he was associated with people like Oprah, I'll avoid him.

Hmm. June 5, 2022. Ron agreed with a Leftie on something.

Jeff.

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If Dr. Oz is somehow elected to the US Senate, expect Sharia Law to be legalized here. Just as it is in the UK (the mayor of Lond is Muslim).

You have too much paranoia. If he gets elected as president, then he enact Sharia Law, but Joe will have already dismantled the USA before the next election ever takes place.

Mm-hmm, sure. Prediction noted.

You have a double standard about who can be called "racist," just because Lee has TDS, you appreciate him enough to let his racism slide, even though it's right there in your quote. That's racist of you; ignoring racism against muslims as long as it's coming from someone who supports your party. I'm sure the muslims would not appreciate your service.

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Hooray for Dr. Oz! He beat that fake RINO Dave Mccormick!

To me, Dr. Oz has the Hollywood taint and he can't shake it.

Wait - do you mean Dr. Oz has been tainted by Hollywood, or are you talking about all that Hollywood taint that he gets because he's a celebrity? :)

Oz may be a great, upstanding, honest guy who will do a really good job. But because he was associated with people like Oprah, I'll avoid him.

The other guy served the GWB administration, and to me that sounds untrustworthy. Oprah you say? That does sound bad, and Oprah is bad news, but how closely are they associated?

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On 06 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

You have too much paranoia. If he gets elected as president, the enact Sharia Law, but Joe will have already dismantled the USA b the next election ever takes place.

Mm-hmm, sure. Prediction noted.

You have a double standard about who can be called "racist," just
because Lee has TDS, you appreciate him enough to let his racism slide, even though it's right there in your quote.

Lee was being facetious.

That's racist of you;
ignoring racism against muslims as long as it's coming from someone who supports your party. I'm sure the muslims would not appreciate your service.

Lee was being facetious. He does not think that Oz will institute Sharia Law. He was making fun of you for being hypocritical.

Jeff.

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On 06 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

The other guy served the GWB administration, and to me that sounds untrustworthy. Oprah you say? That does sound bad, and Oprah is bad
news, but how closely are they associated?

Perhaps you should Google that.

Jeff.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Wait - do you mean Dr. Oz has been tainted by Hollywood, or are you talking about all that Hollywood taint that he gets because he's a celebrity? :)

I'm talking about the taint he got having a TV show, which means working closely with the Hollywood deviants.

The other guy served the GWB administration, and to me that sounds untrustworthy.

Totally agree with you there. There were no other candidates? It sounds like another choice between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum - you lose no matter who you choose.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

You have a double standard about who can be called "racist,"

If it weren't for double standards, Lefties would have no standards at all.


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untrustworthy. Oprah you say? That does sound bad, and Oprah is bad news, but how closely are they associated?

Perhaps you should Google that.

I don't expect him to Romney out on us.

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On 06 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

untrustworthy. Oprah you say? That does sound bad, and Oprah is news, but how closely are they associated?

Perhaps you should Google that.

I don't expect him to Romney out on us.

How does that help you figure out how closely Dr. Oz and Oprah are associated?

Jeff.

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On 05 Jun 2022, Ron L. said the following...

Hooray for Dr. Oz! He beat that fake RINO Dave Mccormick!

But because he was associated with people like Oprah, I'll avoid him.

Hmm. June 5, 2022. Ron agreed with a Leftie on something.

I suspect you both shuddered when this was realized. :)


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You have a double standard about who can be called "racist," just because Lee has TDS, you appreciate him enough to let his racism slide, even though it's right there in your quote.

Lee was being facetious.

But these days, I am not sure that such a mention using the wording he did is welcome. It might get him called out in many circles, especially if they
don't realize his politics might align with theirs. The fact that it was
meant to be facetious would not matter too much to them.

My assumption was that Aaron was being facetious re: reptiles, too.


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On 06 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Hmm. June 5, 2022. Ron agreed with a Leftie on something.

I suspect you both shuddered when this was realized. :)

I suspect you suspect correctly.

Jeff.

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On 06 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

You have a double standard about who can be called "racist," just because Lee has TDS, you appreciate him enough to let his racism sl even though it's right there in your quote.

Lee was being facetious.

But these days, I am not sure that such a mention using the wording he
did is welcome. It might get him called out in many circles, especially if they don't realize his politics might align with theirs. The fact
that it was meant to be facetious would not matter too much to them.

Lee has been a lot more honest about the history of racism in America than
most people here. Trying to blame slavery on the modern Democrat party is a dead giveaway that someone's trying to hide something about the history of racism.

My assumption was that Aaron was being facetious re: reptiles, too.

He might have been. But Lee was facetiously adopting a right-wing position. That's where the facetiousness comes in. There are people who believe in the reptilian conspiracy theory, and they tend to be overwhelmingly right-wing. Alex Jones, David Icke, the Nashville Christmas bomber, etc.

According to the Guardian, polling shows that about 12 million Americans believe that lizards disguised as people rule various countries like Great Britain and the United States.

12 million freaking Americans. 12 million.

Jeff.

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The other guy served the GWB administration, and to me that sounds untrustworthy.

Totally agree with you there. There were no other candidates? It
sounds like another choice between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum - you
lose no matter who you choose.

As far as I know, that's it for GOP nominees. Repbublicans stand a slim chance in Pennsylvania anyway though, I think.

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Hello, Aaron Thomas.
On 6/4/22 4:49 PM you wrote:

If Dr. Oz is somehow elected to the US Senate, expect Sharia Law
to be legalized here. Just as it is in the UK (the mayor of
London is Muslim).

You have too much paranoia. If he gets elected as president, then
he can enact Sharia Law, but Joe will have already dismantled the
USA before the next election ever takes place.

First: "Doctor" Oz is a quack.

Second: it would take the house, the senate, the president, and 38 states to ratify it to enact Sharia Law.

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On 06-06-22 09:26, Ron L. <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Dr Oz! <=-

Totally agree with you there. There were no other candidates? It
sounds like another choice between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum - you
lose no matter who you
choose.

Which is good news for the Democrat candidate. Trump is putting his
weight behind RNs (Republican Nutcases) instead of let the people freely
choose a Republican with a chance of winning in November.

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I don't expect him to Romney out on us.

How does that help you figure out how closely Dr. Oz and Oprah are associated?

I just don't care that much. Dr. Oz would presumably vote the way I want him to on things, but Democrats will prevail in Pennsylvania because Pennsylvania is
a ridiculous, backwards type of state.

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On 07 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I don't expect him to Romney out on us.

How does that help you figure out how closely Dr. Oz and Oprah are associated?

I just don't care that much. Dr. Oz would presumably vote the way I want him to on things, but Democrats will prevail in Pennsylvania because Pennsylvania is a ridiculous, backwards type of state.

Ah, well. You cared enough to ask.

And as for backwards... Conservatism is the backwards ideology, always
wanting to revert things back to some time when things were supposedly great (but actually weren't -- well, not for non-white people, anyway).

Jeff.

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First: "Doctor" Oz is a quack.

Why? What's so quacky about him?

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And as for backwards... Conservatism is the backwards ideology, always wanting to revert things back to some time when things were supposedly great (but actually weren't -- well, not for non-white people, anyway).

Skin color has nothing to do with it. Nobody wants their properties ransacked by criminals, but leftists are racist so they think they're doing black people a favor by letting everyone out of jail. They call it "racial equity," but I call it "BS."

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On 07 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

And as for backwards... Conservatism is the backwards ideology, alway wanting to revert things back to some time when things were supposedl great (but actually weren't -- well, not for non-white people, anyway

Skin color has nothing to do with it. Nobody wants their properties ransacked by criminals, but leftists are racist so they think they're doing black people a favor by letting everyone out of jail. They call it "racial equity," but I call it "BS."

Skin color has everything to do with it. As does religion, sexual
orientation, gender, and political affiliation. Conservatives want to return
to a time when the wrong answer for any of those resulted in a diminished
role in society. The "correct" answers, of course, are "White," "Christian," "Straight," "Male," and "Republican," respectively.

Jeff.

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According to the Guardian, polling shows that about 12 million Americans believe that lizards disguised as people rule various countries like Great Britain and the United States.

12 million freaking Americans. 12 million.

That is sad. Hopefully there was a large margin of error in that poll.


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Lee has been a lot more honest about the history of racism in America than most people here. Trying to blame slavery on the modern Democrat party is a dead giveaway that someone's trying to hide something about the history of racism.

Being honest about the history of racism doesn't make you not racist, and wording your opinion wrong doesn't help it from being perceived as
racist by someone who does not realize you are being sarcastic.

Some racists are sadly proud to be so and may not deny its history.


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Totally agree with you there. There were no other candidates? It sounds like another choice between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum - you lose no matter who you
choose.

Which is good news for the Democrat candidate. Trump is putting his
weight behind RNs (Republican Nutcases) instead of let the people freely choose a Republican with a chance of winning in November.

Except in this case he apparently only put his weight behind one of them (right?) which does not explain why neither one is a good choice.


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Ah, well. You cared enough to ask.

And as for backwards... Conservatism is the backwards ideology, always wanting to revert things back to some time when things were supposedly great (but actually weren't -- well, not for non-white people, anyway).

As opposed to some leftist, who want us to try a political and economic ideology that has been proven to fail every time it has been tried?

Sounds backwards to me.


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First: "Doctor" Oz is a quack.

Why? What's so quacky about him?

Considering that "doctor" is in quotes, I assume he means that Oz is not
really a medical doctor. I am not sure if he is or not.


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On 07 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

According to the Guardian, polling shows that about 12 million Americans believe that lizards disguised as people rule various countries like Gre Britain and the United States.
12 million freaking Americans. 12 million.

That is sad. Hopefully there was a large margin of error in that poll.

Isn't it, though? We joke about it, but there are a LOT of people who believe ridiculous crap.

Jeff.

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On 07 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Lee has been a lot more honest about the history of racism in America th most people here. Trying to blame slavery on the modern Democrat party i dead giveaway that someone's trying to hide something about the history racism.

Being honest about the history of racism doesn't make you not racist, and wording your opinion wrong doesn't help it from being perceived as
racist by someone who does not realize you are being sarcastic.
Some racists are sadly proud to be so and may not deny its history.

True.

Jeff.

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On 07 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Totally agree with you there. There were no other candidates? It sounds like another choice between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum - yo lose no matter who you
choose.

Which is good news for the Democrat candidate. Trump is putting his weight behind RNs (Republican Nutcases) instead of let the people freely choose a Republican with a chance of winning in November.

Except in this case he apparently only put his weight behind one of them (right?) which does not explain why neither one is a good choice.

I think Trump has a few motivations behind his endorsement strategy. He tends to reward loyalty and has a very long memory for disloyalty. Loyalty seems
more important to him than actual political positions. But possibly more important than loyalty is his desire to win, and he'll seemingly endorse a candidate because they appear to be ahead (and has been known to un-endorse them when they fall behind). Whether candidates win because he endorsed them, or he endorsed them because they were already winning, I think it's all about Trump's ego.

Jeff.

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On 07 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Ah, well. You cared enough to ask.
And as for backwards... Conservatism is the backwards ideology, always wanting to revert things back to some time when things were supposedly g (but actually weren't -- well, not for non-white people, anyway).

As opposed to some leftist, who want us to try a political and economic ideology that has been proven to fail every time it has been tried?

I assume you're referring to socialism? It has not failed every time it's
been tried. There are reasonably successful socialist/communist countries in the world today. A better predictor of failure is authoritarian rule, which
can happen in any society: socialist, communist, or capitalist. Aditionally, there are quite a few countries with mixed economies that are doing quite
well.

And yes, as opposed to some leftists who support socialism. The US has never been socialist, so there's no socialism to which we can go "backwards." I
don't support full socialism, by the way, but for the US that is not a "backwards" position.

Jeff.

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doing black people a favor by letting everyone out of jail. They call "racial equity," but I call it "BS."

Skin color has everything to do with it. As does religion, sexual orientation, gender, and political affiliation. Conservatives want to

Cashless bail hurts black people and helps Democrats.

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On 07 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Skin color has everything to do with it. As does religion, sexual orientation, gender, and political affiliation. Conservatives want to

Cashless bail hurts black people and helps Democrats.

Are you trying to blame your racism on cashless bail?

Jeff.

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According to the Guardian, polling shows that about 12 million Americans
believe that lizards disguised as people rule various countries like Great
Britain and the United States.

12 million freaking Americans. 12 million.

That is sad. Hopefully there was a large margin of error in that poll.

A large number of Americans do not believe NASA landed a man on the
moon. A majority of Britons do not believe NASA landed a man on the
moon.

How many people around the world believe NASA actually landed a man
on the moon? Or rather, several men on the moon? The idea for most
people of man landing on the moon is too far-fetched to even imagine.

It will not be long before all who are alleged to have walked on
the moon are dead. At that point, their stories will be nothing more
than fairy tales.

I seriously doubt the USA could land a man on the moon today, even
if it tried. And yet NASA claims it did so, over a half-century ago,
using computers the equivalent of a Commodore 64? Get real ...

--Lee

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Lee has been a lot more honest about the history of racism in America than
most people here. Trying to blame slavery on the modern Democrat party is a
dead giveaway that someone's trying to hide something about the history of
racism.

Being honest about the history of racism doesn't make you not racist, and wording your opinion wrong doesn't help it from being perceived as
racist by someone who does not realize you are being sarcastic.

Some racists are sadly proud to be so and may not deny its history.

We are all racists and bigots. Every man, woman and child on the
face of this planet. What we choose to do about it (both as individuals
and as a society) is up to us.

--Lee

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Hello Everybody,

First: "Doctor" Oz is a quack.

Why? What's so quacky about him?

Considering that "doctor" is in quotes, I assume he means that Oz is not really a medical doctor. I am not sure if he is or not.

Dr. Oz is a certified physician. He earned his undergraduate
degree (BS in biology) from Harvard University in 1982, then went
on to graduate with an MBA from the University of Pennsylvania,
then earned a medical degree (MD) from the University of Pennsylvania
School of Medicine. Today, he is a board-certified cardiothoracic
surgeon, and has worked as a professor at the Department of Surgery
at Columbia University (since 2001). Given he has been engaged in
show biz the past several years, I take it he is retired from
surgery so is not likely to be sued for medical malpractice.

But he is a real doctor. Even if he is not a practicing one.

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Hello Jeff,

According to the Guardian, polling shows that about 12 million

Americans

believe that lizards disguised as people rule various countries

like Gre

Britain and the United States.
12 million freaking Americans. 12 million.

That is sad. Hopefully there was a large margin of error in that

poll.

Isn't it, though? We joke about it, but there are a LOT of people who believe
ridiculous crap.

The polls cited by the Guardian show 6% to 20% of the US population
as believing the moon landings were faked. That is a heck of a lot of
people.

It is impossible for man to have walked on the moon. Do you know why?
Because the moon is made of light. NASA knows this. So does OJ Simpson.

But you know how it is.

NASA has hoodwinked the Congress into funding $93 billion taxpayer
dollars to return to the moon - but no men or women to be on board the
ride - scheduled for 2025 (if it happens at all).

Opinion polls show 6% to 20% of Americans, 25% of Britons, and 28%
of Russians believe the moon landings were faked.

Do the math. 60+ million people in the US alone believe the moon
landings were faked. A quarter of the British people also believe
the moon landings were faked. And almost a third of Russians also
believe the moon landings were faked. And then there is the rest
of the world, most of the population viewing it as a made-up story.

Enjoy the light show -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnc_X-oDWsE



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Skin color has everything to do with it. As does religion, sexua orientation, gender, and political affiliation. Conservatives wa

Cashless bail hurts black people and helps Democrats.

Are you trying to blame your racism on cashless bail?

Conservatives aren't racist, they just don't have any color-coded policies
like Democrats do.

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Some racists are sadly proud to be so and may not deny its history.

We are all racists and bigots. Every man, woman and child on the
face of this planet. What we choose to do about it (both as individuals and as a society) is up to us.

I agree with this. But Jeff thinks he's not racist because he belongs to the party that "lets black guys out of jail."

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On 08 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Skin color has everything to do with it. As does religion, orientation, gender, and political affiliation. Conservativ

Cashless bail hurts black people and helps Democrats.

Are you trying to blame your racism on cashless bail?

Conservatives aren't racist, they just don't have any color-coded
policies like Democrats do.

Democrats attempt to even theplaying field. Conservatives used to be blatant about skin color, but have become more covert ofver the years and generally rely on dog whistles and misleading explanations for legislation now.

Jeff.

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And as for backwards... Conservatism is the backwards ideology, alwa
wanting to revert things back to some time when things were supposed
great (but actually weren't -- well, not for non-white people, anywa

Skin color has everything to do with it. As does religion, sexual orientation, gender, and political affiliation. Conservatives want to return to a time when the wrong answer for any of those resulted in a diminished role in society. The "correct" answers, of course, are "White," "Christian," "Straight," "Male," and "Republican," respectively.

Except if we return to a time where the first four were the correct
answers, the fifth one would not be correct.


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Skin color has everything to do with it. As does religion, sexual orientation, gender, and political affiliation. Conservatives want to

Cashless bail hurts black people and helps Democrats.

Here is something to chew on.

About a month ago, one of my relative's ex'es came by and shot up their
house with them in it. He has been convicted of violent gun and non-gun
crimes in the past, including possession of a firearm by a felon.

But thanks to the lax system in the area he usually gets in trouble in, he
does not do all of his time before he is eventually back out again.

Two days later, someone was murdered in another part of town. The police connected it to the ex that did the drive by. So he is currently in jail
with a $250k bail set, and my relatives can rest easier.

I would be really pissed off right now if we lived in a cashless bail
state. I suspect the family of the person he killed would also be.


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Democrats attempt to even theplaying field.

Usually by kicking a support beam completely out of one corner of it.

Local Democrats used to have a "dog-whistle" if you will that, if they used
it, you knew something was going in the wrong direction in order to impress their supporters -- "We need to make things fair and equitable."


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On 08 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Skin color has everything to do with it. As does religion, sexual orientation, gender, and political affiliation. Conservatives want to re to a time when the wrong answer for any of those resulted in a diminishe role in society. The "correct" answers, of course, are "White," "Christi "Straight," "Male," and "Republican," respectively.

Except if we return to a time where the first four were the correct answers, the fifth one would not be correct.

That is true, but we currently have no plans to return to that time.

Jeff.

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On 08 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Here is something to chew on.
About a month ago, one of my relative's ex'es came by and shot up their house with them in it. He has been convicted of violent gun and non-gun crimes in the past, including possession of a firearm by a felon.

Shooting up a house is generally considered a violent crime.

But thanks to the lax system in the area he usually gets in trouble in,
he does not do all of his time before he is eventually back out again.

That's not a bail problem, that's a parole problem.

Two days later, someone was murdered in another part of town. The police connected it to the ex that did the drive by. So he is currently in jail with a $250k bail set, and my relatives can rest easier.

Unless he can come up with that $250,000.

I would be really pissed off right now if we lived in a cashless bail state. I suspect the family of the person he killed would also be.

In states where it is implemented, cashless bail does not apply to violent crimes. In those cases, the cash bail system is still in effect. So your criminal would still just be $250,000 away from walking free on bail. If he
has a house, a lien would probably cover it.

Jeff.

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On 08 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Democrats attempt to even theplaying field.

Usually by kicking a support beam completely out of one corner of it.

That would be the impression from the Republican point of view, as they're well-served by the non-level field.

Local Democrats used to have a "dog-whistle" if you will that, if they used it, you knew something was going in the wrong direction in order to impress their supporters -- "We need to make things fair and equitable."

Nothing is absolutely fair. There are always different ways to look at
"fair." Take traffic tickets, for example. A $350 ticket could put a poor family in a serious financial bind, while the same $350 ticket would be much more manageable to someone better off. Is that fair? Well, the both committed the same crime, and they both got the same fine. That's one kind of fair. But did they both receive the same punishment in terms of how much it hurt their pocketbooks? No. A $350 fine for the poor family and a $3500 fine for a better-off family would be more fair in that respect.

Chances are, you're looking at the type of "fair" that results in the best outcome for you.

Jeff.

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Democrats attempt to even theplaying field. Conservatives used to be blatant about skin color, but have become more covert ofver the years
and generally rely on dog whistles and misleading explanations for legislation now.

I want to believe you, but when did that happen? I heard Trump talk a little skin color ("lowest black unemployment ever") and it was annoying, but when have other Republicans done it?

Democrats do it every day. Every other word is "black."

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Two days later, someone was murdered in another part of town. The police connected it to the ex that did the drive by. So he is currently in jail with a $250k bail set, and my relatives can rest easier.

I would be really pissed off right now if we lived in a cashless bail state. I suspect the family of the person he killed would also be.

In my state they don't let them out (on cashless bail) for attempted murder, but for something like "felon with a firearm" or "unsafely discharging a weapon" he'd be out of jail within 24 hours of being booked.

Don't let it happen in your state! Our liberal state assembly never mentioned it publicly, then they voted on it in the dead of the night, and Emperor Cuomo signed it into law the next morning, leaving the jails empty by the end of the day. Now criminals aren't scared of anything anymore, and more and more shootings are happening.

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On 08 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Democrats attempt to even theplaying field. Conservatives used to be blatant about skin color, but have become more covert ofver the years and generally rely on dog whistles and misleading explanations for legislation now.

I want to believe you, but when did that happen? I heard Trump talk a little skin color ("lowest black unemployment ever") and it was
annoying, but when have other Republicans done it?

Here, listen to Republican strategist Lee Atwater explain it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ

Another example is that when Republicans want to say "black people" without actually saying "black people," they instead talk about "inner cities." We
all know what they mean, though.

Jeff.

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On 08 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Two days later, someone was murdered in another part of town. The po connected it to the ex that did the drive by. So he is currently in with a $250k bail set, and my relatives can rest easier.
I would be really pissed off right now if we lived in a cashless bail state. I suspect the family of the person he killed would also be.

In my state they don't let them out (on cashless bail) for attempted murder,

Hold that thought...

Don't let it happen in your state! Our liberal state assembly never mentioned it publicly, then they voted on it in the dead of the night,
and Emperor Cuomo signed it into law the next morning, leaving the jails empty by the end of the day. Now criminals aren't scared of anything anymore, and more and more shootings are happening.

Aren't these shootings "attempted murder," which is ineligible for cashless bail?

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

Some racists are sadly proud to be so and may not deny its

history.

We are all racists and bigots. Every man, woman and child on the
face of this planet. What we choose to do about it (both as

individuals

and as a society) is up to us.

I agree with this. But Jeff thinks he's not racist because he belongs to the
party that "lets black guys out of jail."

Nobody is above the law of Lee. Except reptilians, as noted in the
Book of Genesis (3:1-24).

For Life,
Lee

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On 08 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Some racists are sadly proud to be so and may not deny its histo

We are all racists and bigots. Every man, woman and child on the
face of this planet. What we choose to do about it (both as individua and as a society) is up to us.

I agree with this. But Jeff thinks he's not racist because he belongs to the party that "lets black guys out of jail."

I think no such thing. I was raised in a racist environment and accepted it until about the 1st grade or so when an incident occurred which opened my
eyes, an incident for which I was at fault.

The difference is that I no longer accept racism and choose not to partake in it.

The fact that you think that "cashless bail" exists to "let black guys out of jail" is itself extremely racist, as it assumes that "black guys" are the
only ones in jail.

Jeff.

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little skin color ("lowest black unemployment ever") and it was annoying, but when have other Republicans done it?

Here, listen to Republican strategist Lee Atwater explain it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ

Did he make sense to you? I don't understand what he's talking about.

Another example is that when Republicans want to say "black people" without actually saying "black people," they instead talk about "inner cities." We all know what they mean, though.

Some Republicans are idiots about racial talk too. Trump was starting to sound stupid with all the "African American employment" stuff. I believe what he was saying about it, but I just don't care. I'm white, so why should I care about African American employment? It doesn't even pertain to me. I like to feel unity with other Americans regardless of skin color; when Trump bragged about "African American employment" he was alienating everyone else.

(But it's kinda understandable when Trump does it, because he knows that the media has people trained to pay attention to skin colored keywords, and it would be unhelpful to his campaign to not cash in on their brainwashed minds.)

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Don't let it happen in your state! Our liberal state assembly never mentioned it publicly, then they voted on it in the dead of the night and Emperor Cuomo signed it into law the next morning, leaving the ja empty by the end of the day. Now criminals aren't scared of anything anymore, and more and more shootings are happening.

Aren't these shootings "attempted murder," which is ineligible for cashless bail?

"Attempted murder" is a joke. Murder 1 and Murder 2 are eligible for cashless bail in NY.

https://indefenseof.us/assets/images/BAIL-ELIGIBLE-OFFENSES.pdf

Normal people don't have time to worry about the laws anymore anyway, we just have to worry about all the bullets. All the violence and anarchy is new to us in upstate NY; we ain't used to this. The cops can't be expected to be used to it either.

But on the bright side, the Cuomo/Hochul regime can say "We got black people out of jail!"

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The fact that you think that "cashless bail" exists to "let black guys
out of jail" is itself extremely racist, as it assumes that "black guys" are the only ones in jail.

No, I don't think that it "lets black guys out of jail." I live in a white region, so our jail probably had more whites than anything else. But for Democrats signing bail reform legislation, they "freed black guys from white captors."

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Don't let it happen in your state! Our liberal state assembly never mentioned it publicly, then they voted on it in the dead of the night,
and Emperor Cuomo signed it into law the next morning, leaving the
jails empty by the end of the day. Now criminals aren't scared of
anything anymore, and more and more shootings are happening.

Ahhh... For the days of Charles Bronson and Death Wish movies.


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On 09 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

little skin color ("lowest black unemployment ever") and it was annoying, but when have other Republicans done it?

Here, listen to Republican strategist Lee Atwater explain it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ

Did he make sense to you? I don't understand what he's talking about.

Yes, he did. He's talking about how Republicans have gone from outright
racist language to more covert dog whistles in order to appeal to racist
voters (known as the Southern Strategy).

"You start out in 1954 by saying, 'N*****, n*****, n*****.' By 1968 you can't say 'n*****' -- that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states' rights, and all that stuff, and you're getting so abstract. Now, you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites... 'We want to cut this' is much more abstract than even
the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'N*****,
n*****.'" -- Lee Atwater

Or, as LBJ put it when describing racial epithets on signs seen during a motorcade in Tennessee: "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Another example is that when Republicans want to say "black people" without actually saying "black people," they instead talk about "inne cities." We all know what they mean, though.

Some Republicans are idiots about racial talk too. Trump was starting to sound stupid with all the "African American employment" stuff. I believe what he was saying about it, but I just don't care. I'm white, so why should I care about African American employment? It doesn't even pertain to me. I like to feel unity with other Americans regardless of skin
color; when Trump bragged about "African American employment" he was alienating everyone else.

Trump was trying to get votes.

(But it's kinda understandable when Trump does it, because he knows that the media has people trained to pay attention to skin colored keywords, and it would be unhelpful to his campaign to not cash in on their brainwashed minds.)

Nah, he was trying to get votes.

Jeff.

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On 09 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

The fact that you think that "cashless bail" exists to "let black guy out of jail" is itself extremely racist, as it assumes that "black gu are the only ones in jail.

No, I don't think that it "lets black guys out of jail." I live in a
white region, so our jail probably had more whites than anything else.
But for Democrats signing bail reform legislation, they "freed black
guys from white captors."

Do you have evidence of someone actually saying that, or is that just
something that you made up and put into Democrats' mouths?

Jeff.

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jails empty by the end of the day. Now criminals aren't scared of anything anymore, and more and more shootings are happening.

Ahhh... For the days of Charles Bronson and Death Wish movies.

I want to watch those again! Where's a vigilante when you need one? ;)

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Chances are, you're looking at the type of "fair" that results in the best outcome for you.

As are leftists. What is your point?


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Another example is that when Republicans want to say "black people" without actually saying "black people," they instead talk about "inner cities." We all know what they mean, though.

My sister wanted to become a lawyer to help people in the "inner city."
Those were her words. She is at least as much, if not more, of a Democrat
than you are. She would likely not say "black people" because that is not
the PC term these days, either. So, your point?


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"You start out in 1954 by saying, 'N*****, n*****, n*****.' By 1968 you can't say 'n*****' -- that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states' rights, and all that stuff, and you're getting so abstract. Now, you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites... 'We want to cut this' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'N*****, n*****.'" -- Lee Atwater

So this how you can spin anything into "racist." Nice, but now we know
your secret.

Your problem here is that most of us who were not alive in the 1950's and 1960's don't think like that. I guess pointing out the runaway inflation,
high gas and grocery prices, and several other messed up things is somehow
(1) racist, and (2) are things that are not affecting blacks worse than
whites?


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On 09 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Chances are, you're looking at the type of "fair" that results in the be outcome for you.

As are leftists.

Not true. "Leftists" tend to look at the type of "fair" that results in the best outcome for society as a whole.

What is your point?

My point is that conservatives tend to be myopic and self-centered, uninterested in the state of the country as a whole but only interested in
"me, me, me."

Jeff.

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On 09 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Another example is that when Republicans want to say "black people" with actually saying "black people," they instead talk about "inner cities." all know what they mean, though.

My sister wanted to become a lawyer to help people in the "inner city." Those were her words. She is at least as much, if not more, of a
Democrat than you are. She would likely not say "black people" because that is not the PC term these days, either.

"Inner city" does have a legitimate meaning, apart from the Republican dog-whistle. Your sister, being a Democrat, likely did not use "inner city"
as a euphemism for "black people," but actually wanted to help people who
live in densely populated urban centers. That's the insidiousness of dog-whistles.

So, your point?

Republicans use dog-whistles to send messages to their base, thinking that
they can escape responsibility for them by using coded language.

Jeff.

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On 09 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

"You start out in 1954 by saying, 'N*****, n*****, n*****.' By 1968 you say 'n*****' -- that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, fo busing, states' rights, and all that stuff, and you're getting so abstra Now, you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're tal about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get worse than whites... 'We want to cut this' is much more abstract than ev the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'N*****, n*****.'" -- Lee Atwater

So this how you can spin anything into "racist." Nice, but now we know your secret.

Lee Atwater was a Republican strategist.

Your problem here is that most of us who were not alive in the 1950's and 1960's don't think like that. I guess pointing out the runaway
inflation, high gas and grocery prices, and several other messed up
things is somehow (1) racist, and (2) are things that are not affecting blacks worse than whites?

Nope. Not everything is a dog-whistle, but that does not mean that
dog-whistles don't exist.

Jeff.

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Yes, he did. He's talking about how Republicans have gone from outright racist language to more covert dog whistles in order to appeal to racist voters (known as the Southern Strategy).

He's full of it. You shouldn't base your life on what a racist person says.

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white region, so our jail probably had more whites than anything else But for Democrats signing bail reform legislation, they "freed black guys from white captors."

Do you have evidence of someone actually saying that, or is that just something that you made up and put into Democrats' mouths?

Andrew Cuomo, Kathy Hochul, and state assemblywoman Donna Lupardo all agreed that they "did it for racial equity." That's the same thing as what I said but with different words.

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On 09 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Yes, he did. He's talking about how Republicans have gone from outrig racist language to more covert dog whistles in order to appeal to rac voters (known as the Southern Strategy).

He's full of it. You shouldn't base your life on what a racist person says.

He was one of the architects of the Southern Strategy. Plenty of Republicans followed his advice, and plenty of Republicans still do.

Jeff.

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On 09 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

white region, so our jail probably had more whites than anything But for Democrats signing bail reform legislation, they "freed b guys from white captors."

Do you have evidence of someone actually saying that, or is that just something that you made up and put into Democrats' mouths?

Andrew Cuomo, Kathy Hochul, and state assemblywoman Donna Lupardo all agreed that they "did it for racial equity." That's the same thing as
what I said but with different words.

Not really, no.

Jeff.

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Chances are, you're looking at the type of "fair" that results in the b
outcome for you.

As are leftists.

Not true. "Leftists" tend to look at the type of "fair" that results in the best outcome for society as a whole.

What is your point?

My point is that conservatives tend to be myopic and self-centered, uninterested in the state of the country as a whole but only interested in "me, me, me."

This coming from some who is not too concerned about things like gas prices because they have admitted that they do not travel anywhere. Seems myopic
and self-centered not to consider those who cannot work from home, who I
would hazard a wild guess are those that make less money than you do.

It also seems myopic and self-centered to believe that we need to be transitioning to alternative transportation right now when it is not
affordable and will therefore hurt those who cannot afford it the most. I mean, that is the group you claim that Conservatives have no concerns for.

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"Inner city" does have a legitimate meaning, apart from the Republican dog-whistle. Your sister, being a Democrat, likely did not use "inner city" as a euphemism for "black people," but actually wanted to help people who live in densely populated urban centers. That's the insidiousness of dog-whistles.

This is one of your typical BS discussions. "We can use words and we
always mean the right thing, but when you all use words it is always bad."

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You shouldn't base your life on what a racist person says.

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Andrew Cuomo, Kathy Hochul, and state assemblywoman Donna Lupardo all agreed that they "did it for racial equity." That's the same thing as what I said but

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

with different words.

Leftist dog-whistle. Makes them think the Democrats care about them.

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On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

This coming from some who is not too concerned about things like gas prices because they have admitted that they do not travel anywhere.
Seems myopic and self-centered not to consider those who cannot work
from home, who I would hazard a wild guess are those that make less
money than you do.

Well, as the conservatives woud say, they need to find a better job! Right?

Snark aside, I am impacted by the price of gas even though I don't drive.

It also seems myopic and self-centered to believe that we need to be transitioning to alternative transportation right now when it is not affordable and will therefore hurt those who cannot afford it the most.
I mean, that is the group you claim that Conservatives have no concerns for.

The key word here is "transitioning." As in my previous post, assuming that
the switch will happen immediately is in error.

Jeff.

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On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

"Inner city" does have a legitimate meaning, apart from the Republican dog-whistle. Your sister, being a Democrat, likely did not use "inner ci as a euphemism for "black people," but actually wanted to help people wh live in densely populated urban centers. That's the insidiousness of dog-whistles.

This is one of your typical BS discussions. "We can use words and we always mean the right thing, but when you all use words it is always
bad."

That's how dog-whistles work. They allow for plausible deniability by commandeering a legitimate word or phrase and imbuing it with racist
overtones that the base picks up on.

Jeff.

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On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

You shouldn't base your life on what a racist person says.

+ 1

Republicans based their political strategy on what a racist person said,
which was the point.

Jeff.

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On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Andrew Cuomo, Kathy Hochul, and state assemblywoman Donna Lupardo all ag that they "did it for racial equity." That's the same thing as what I sa but

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

with different words.

Leftist dog-whistle. Makes them think the Democrats care about them.

Democrats care about equality. Republicans don't. Big difference.

Jeff.

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On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

It also seems myopic and self-centered to believe that we need to be transitioning to alternative transportation right now when it is not affordable and will therefore hurt those who cannot afford it the most.
I mean, that is the group you claim that Conservatives have no concerns for.

Newsflash: We are already transitioning and have been for over two decades.

Affordability depends on income. Those who can afford electric vehicles and care about the environment can buy them as easily as they can buy a fossil-fuel-powered car today, and have been able to for some time. What's more, automobile manufacturers are addind new electric vehicles to their lineups, without being forced to do so, which means that there must be some demand for them.

There are people who cannot afford a fossil-fuel-powered vehicle. Where's
your sympathy for them? Or is your "sympathy" for those who cannot afford an electric vehicle just a disguise for your personal opposition to the transition?

Jeff.

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It also seems myopic and self-centered to believe that we need to be transitioning to alternative transportation right now when it is not affordable and will therefore hurt those who cannot afford it the most. I mean, that is the group you claim that Conservatives have no concerns for.

The key word here is "transitioning." As in my previous post, assuming that the switch will happen immediately is in error.

If gas prices keep going in the wrong direction, which is not being helped
by any current administration policies (and may be hurt by them), it will
be a painfully forced, not-smooth transition. Sort of like our withdrawl
from Afghanistan, but with even worse consequences.


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On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

You shouldn't base your life on what a racist person says.

+ 1

Republicans based their political strategy on what a racist person said, which was the point.

No, Lee Atwater and Jeff thinks they do. Some of them might, just like
some Democrats might. Oh, wait, I forget, even though one might know
racists who are also Democrats, in Jeffworld they don't exist. My bad.


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On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Andrew Cuomo, Kathy Hochul, and state assemblywoman Donna Lupardo all a
that they "did it for racial equity." That's the same thing as what I s
but

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

with different words.

Leftist dog-whistle. Makes them think the Democrats care about them.

Democrats care about equality. Republicans don't. Big difference.

Another Leftist dog-whistle.


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There are people who cannot afford a fossil-fuel-powered vehicle. Where's your sympathy for them? Or is your "sympathy" for those who cannot afford an electric vehicle just a disguise for your personal opposition to the transition?

Part of the reason they cannot afford them is that, at some point, most of
the older affordable fossil-fuel-powered cars disappeared. There was some government program... what was it and who implemented it... that assisted
in this disappearance, but what and who escapes me now...

Must have been Trump because everything is his fault. <rollseyes?

I do have sympathy for them but transitioning to even more expensive
vehicles does nothing for them, and just makes their group grow bigger, not smaller. That growth might be something that leftist see as progress, but I don't.

I bought an electric lawnmower. It has the "latest and greatest" battery
tech and was an affordable one. So, instead of using a 3/4ths-quart of gas each week to mow, I spent nearly $400 to get it down to a half-quart...
that is, on weeks the battery does not overheat and refuse to recharge. I could buy another battery but that is another $200 and, since they are only guaranteed for 3 years, I would never see my investment returned.

This mower was one of the highest-rated by Consumer Reports in the non-professional, and non-self-propelled/non-riding, class.

I personally still like it (except when the battery overheats) because it
is not as loud and is easier to adjust the height on, but I very much doubt
the environment is thanking me too much for not burning that 1/4-quart of
gas. It will be thanking me even less when the battery fails after 3 years
and has to be disposed of.


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Andrew Cuomo, Kathy Hochul, and state assemblywoman Donna Lupardo all ag that they "did it for racial equity." That's the same thing as what I sa but

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

with different words.

Leftist dog-whistle. Makes them think the Democrats care about them.

Yup. And it's the same thing Jeff was talking about with the Republican strategist. Republicans' "inner city people" are the same people as the Democrats' "racial equity" people.

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You shouldn't base your life on what a racist person says.

+ 1

Republicans based their political strategy on what a racist person said, which was the point.

Democrats based their use of slaves on their need for cheap labor. Worse than dogwhistling.

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Leftist dog-whistle. Makes them think the Democrats care about

them. JT>

Democrats care about equality. Republicans don't. Big difference.

Actually they don't. There's a minimal amount of "racial equity" in bail reform, I suppose! But prioritizing anti-viral treatments for non-white covid patients isn't equity. Now all colors of skin can get out of jail but only non-whites can get lifesaving covid treatment (unless there's a surplus of medicine.)

"Black Lives Matter" murals aren't equity.

Telling people "I don't want my kids growing up in a racial jungle" isn't equity.

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Democrats care about equality. Republicans don't. Big difference.

Another Leftist dog-whistle.

I think Jeff was almost correct: Democrats care about INequality. Without it, they'd have nothing to run on.

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On 11 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

It also seems myopic and self-centered to believe that we need to b transitioning to alternative transportation right now when it is no affordable and will therefore hurt those who cannot afford it the m I mean, that is the group you claim that Conservatives have no conc for.

The key word here is "transitioning." As in my previous post, assuming t the switch will happen immediately is in error.

If gas prices keep going in the wrong direction, which is not being
helped by any current administration policies (and may be hurt by them), it will be a painfully forced, not-smooth transition. Sort of like our withdrawl from Afghanistan, but with even worse consequences.

Perhaps, but it will be people making economic choices, not a government mandate. Gasoline will still be available, albeit at very high prices, and fossil-fuel-based transportation will still be an option as well. That people find it more cost-effective to move to electric vehicles under those circumstances is their choice.

Jeff.

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On 11 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

You shouldn't base your life on what a racist person says.

Republicans based their political strategy on what a racist person said, which was the point.

No, Lee Atwater and Jeff thinks they do. Some of them might, just like some Democrats might. Oh, wait, I forget, even though one might know racists who are also Democrats, in Jeffworld they don't exist. My bad.

Come on, man, keep up!

Lee Atwater is the racist in question! Lee Atwater was a Republican
strategist and architect of the Southern Strategy. Republicans most
definitely listened to him!

Jeff.

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On 11 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Andrew Cuomo, Kathy Hochul, and state assemblywoman Donna Lupardo a
that they "did it for racial equity." That's the same thing as wh s
but

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

with different words.

Leftist dog-whistle. Makes them think the Democrats care about the

Democrats care about equality. Republicans don't. Big difference.

Another Leftist dog-whistle.

Bullshit. "Leftists" have been responsible for almost all of the equality that's been realized.

Jeff.

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On 11 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

There are people who cannot afford a fossil-fuel-powered vehicle. Where' your sympathy for them? Or is your "sympathy" for those who cannot affor electric vehicle just a disguise for your personal opposition to the transition?

Part of the reason they cannot afford them is that, at some point, most
of the older affordable fossil-fuel-powered cars disappeared. There was some government program... what was it and who implemented it... that assisted in this disappearance, but what and who escapes me now...

The smaller, more affordable (and more fuel-efficient) cars were a response
to the oil crisis of the late '70s/early 80s. Once the crisis was over, they started to disappear in favor of the larger vehicles that Americans
preferred. Well, preferred when there wasn't an oil crisis, of course.

As for SUVs, those are an unintended consequence of breaks given to
automobile manufacturers for pickup trucks, which were generally considered
to be largely farm vehicles at the time. Increased government regulation of fuel efficiency standards went easy on farm vehicles in order to not disrupt American agriculture. However, because these more lax standards applied to pickup trucks and anything built on the same chassis as a pickup truck,
vehicle manufacturers could produce them at a lower price point than cars
which had to comply with the increased standards.

Must have been Trump because everything is his fault. <rollseyes?

No, not everything. But what is Trump's fault is Trump's fault. Trump is not responsible for everything, but neither is he blameless. This is the typical conservative false dichotomy at work again. Don't the echo rules state that logical fallacies should be avoided?

I do have sympathy for them but transitioning to even more expensive vehicles does nothing for them, and just makes their group grow bigger, not smaller. That growth might be something that leftist see as
progress, but I don't.

As electric vehicles become more common and less of a specialy item, their prices will go down. And the transition isn't going to happen overnight.

I bought an electric lawnmower. It has the "latest and greatest" battery tech and was an affordable one. So, instead of using a 3/4ths-quart of gas each week to mow, I spent nearly $400 to get it down to a half-quart... that is, on weeks the battery does not overheat and refuse to recharge. I could buy another battery but that is another $200 and, since they are only guaranteed for 3 years, I would never see my investment returned.

Perhaps it's time to invest in a newer electric mower.

This mower was one of the highest-rated by Consumer Reports in the non-professional, and non-self-propelled/non-riding, class.
I personally still like it (except when the battery overheats) because it is not as loud and is easier to adjust the height on, but I very much doubt the environment is thanking me too much for not burning that 1/4-quart of gas. It will be thanking me even less when the battery
fails after 3 years and has to be disposed of.

Every little bit matters.

Jeff.

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On 11 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

You shouldn't base your life on what a racist person says.

Republicans based their political strategy on what a racist person sa which was the point.

Democrats based their use of slaves on their need for cheap labor. Worse than dogwhistling.

That they did. And they were the conservatives of their day, just as Republicans are the conservatives of today.

Jeff.

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On 11 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Leftist dog-whistle. Makes them think the Democrats care about

them. JT>

Democrats care about equality. Republicans don't. Big difference.

Actually they don't. There's a minimal amount of "racial equity" in bail reform, I suppose! But prioritizing anti-viral treatments for non-white covid patients isn't equity. Now all colors of skin can get out of jail but only non-whites can get lifesaving covid treatment (unless there's a surplus of medicine.)

Non-whites were at a higher risk of death from COVID than whites. That's how triage works.

"Black Lives Matter" murals aren't equity.

Sure they are. Black lives do matter.

Telling people "I don't want my kids growing up in a racial jungle" isn't equity.

That was a long time ago. People can, and do, change.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Andrew Cuomo, Kathy Hochul, and state assemblywoman Donna

Lupardo

a
that they "did it for racial equity." That's the same thing

as wh

s
but

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

with different words.

Leftist dog-whistle. Makes them think the Democrats care

about the

Democrats care about equality. Republicans don't. Big difference.

Another Leftist dog-whistle.

Bullshit.

Oops! As Britney Spears would say, "You dood it again!"

Actually, she did. For the third time.

For Life,
Lee

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Bullshit. "Leftists" have been responsible for almost all of the equality that's been realized.

They're responsible for "racial equity," but their definition of "racial equity" is that "black people are the only ones in jail" and "let's get them out of jail and into the voting booths!"

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Democrats based their use of slaves on their need for cheap labor. Wo than dogwhistling.

That they did. And they were the conservatives of their day, just as Republicans are the conservatives of today.

That makes no sense. If Republicans are the "conservatives of today" then why are they so eager to shut down the human smuggling industry once again?

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covid patients isn't equity. Now all colors of skin can get out of ja but only non-whites can get lifesaving covid treatment (unless there' surplus of medicine.)

Non-whites were at a higher risk of death from COVID than whites. That's how triage works.

That sounds like BS, and even google seems to think so:

"Of the approximately 997,000 cumulative U.S. deaths, these are the numbers of lives lost by group: Asian (31,119), Black (142,361), Indigenous (11,046), Latino (160,588), Pacific Islander (2,132) and White Americans (642,802). Additionally, 6,545 deaths are recorded as other race."

https://www.apmresearchlab.org/covid/deaths-by-race

If you can somehow keep these statistics hidden indefinitely, then you'll do just fine on your quest to some day be "right" about something.

"Black Lives Matter" murals aren't equity.

Sure they are. Black lives do matter.

They don't matter more than any other color, but the slogan infers otherwise.

Telling people "I don't want my kids growing up in a racial jungle" i equity.

That was a long time ago. People can, and do, change.

Nope. They NEVER change. Trump is and always will be the sexual predator who grabs women by the vag. Therefore, Biden is and always will be the bigot who didn't want his kids going to school with colored kids.

He just said a couple years back "If you don't know if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black!" For someone trying to redeem themself, he's doing a bad job! Did he change yesterday?

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I bought an electric lawnmower. It has the "latest and greatest" battery
tech and was an affordable one. So, instead of using a 3/4ths-quart of gas each week to mow, I spent nearly $400 to get it down to a half-quart... that is, on weeks the battery does not overheat and refuse to recharge. I could buy another battery but that is another $200 and, since they are only guaranteed for 3 years, I would never see my investment returned.

Perhaps it's time to invest in a newer electric mower.

It is brand new.


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Actually they don't. There's a minimal amount of "racial equity" in bail reform, I suppose! But prioritizing anti-viral treatments for non-white covid patients isn't equity. Now all colors of skin can get out of jail but only non-whites can get lifesaving covid treatment (unless there's a surplus of medicine.)

They did not initially do that. In Louisville, if you were white and
didn't mind going downtown, or out of Jefferson County, to get your shot
you could get it. It was just the initial placement of the vaccination
centers that was not convenient to most of the population.

Later, they prioritized it because they thought that blacks were not able
to get the shot (due to numbers who showed up). However, it was more along
the lines of "didn't trust the government" and/or listened to what some of
the talking heads (like Whoopi) were telling them early on. In both cases, they were avoiding the shot.

Telling people "I don't want my kids growing up in a racial jungle" isn't equity.

That is 100% true.


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Democrats care about equality. Republicans don't. Big difference.

Another Leftist dog-whistle.

I think Jeff was almost correct: Democrats care about INequality. Without it, they'd have nothing to run on.

Sadly I cannot disagree with this. Even when they have the majority in
places, you will notice that some things get done but a lot of other things don't.


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B***s***. "Leftists" have been responsible for almost all of the equality that's been realized.

No suprise, Leftists also have trouble following the rules.


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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

[REDACTED] "Leftists" have been responsible for almost all of the that's been realized.

They're responsible for "racial equity," but their definition of "racial equity" is that "black people are the only ones in jail" and "let's get them out of jail and into the voting booths!"

That makes no sense at all. Cashless bail is independent of race.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Democrats based their use of slaves on their need for cheap labo than dogwhistling.

That they did. And they were the conservatives of their day, just as Republicans are the conservatives of today.

That makes no sense. If Republicans are the "conservatives of today"
then why are they so eager to shut down the human smuggling industry
once again?

Granting asylum to refugees is not "the human smuggling industry." That's
your lie and you're the only one pushing it.

Aside from that, are you denying that Republicans are conservative? Are you trying to imply that the "leftists" are the conservative ones?

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

covid patients isn't equity. Now all colors of skin can get out but only non-whites can get lifesaving covid treatment (unless t surplus of medicine.)

Non-whites were at a higher risk of death from COVID than whites. Tha how triage works.

That sounds like BS, and even google seems to think so:
"Of the approximately 997,000 cumulative U.S. deaths, these are the numbers of lives lost by group: Asian (31,119), Black (142,361), Indigenous (11,046), Latino (160,588), Pacific Islander (2,132) and
White Americans (642,802). Additionally, 6,545 deaths are recorded as other race."

That's because you suck at math. You have to look at those numbers as a percentage of the communities they represent.

If you can somehow keep these statistics hidden indefinitely, then
you'll do just fine on your quest to some day be "right" about something.

Those statistics support the triage decision.

"Black Lives Matter" murals aren't equity.

Sure they are. Black lives do matter.

They don't matter more than any other color, but the slogan infers otherwise.

No, it doesn't. It simply states that they matter. Anything you read into it beyond that is your own racism talking.

Telling people "I don't want my kids growing up in a racial jung equity.

That was a long time ago. People can, and do, change.

Nope. They NEVER change. Trump is and always will be the sexual predator who grabs women by the vag. Therefore, Biden is and always will be the bigot who didn't want his kids going to school with colored kids.

Some people change. Some don't. That's just how it is. Biden has shown that
he has changed. Trump hasn't.

He just said a couple years back "If you don't know if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black!" For someone trying to redeem themself,
he's doing a bad job! Did he change yesterday?

You're trying to read more into that than was there.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Perhaps it's time to invest in a newer electric mower.

It is brand new.

It sounds like a dud, then. Is it still under warranty?

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

B***s***. "Leftists" have been responsible for almost all of the equalit that's been realized.

No suprise, Leftists also have trouble following the rules.

If you're referring to my swearing, I have kept it to a minimum as per the rules. Well under 1% of the words I post are swear words.

Jeff.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I think Jeff was almost correct: Democrats care about INequality.
Without it, they'd have nothing to run on.

That's why the Left uses the term "equity" instead of "equality".

In our society, we already have "equality". So the Lefties needed a different word which effective means "equal outcomes".

So, if your boss says "OK. Everyone gets $50/hour." that's equality. If you work 12 hours per day, but the lazy co-worker only works 6 hours, you make twice as much as the lazy co-worker. You both had the opportunity to make the same, but the lazy co-worker decided not to.

But to the Left, that's wrong. You both should make the same amount. That's "equity" and it's against human nature. So "equity" cannot be achieved and they have something they can perpetually complain about.


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On 12 Jun 2022, Ron L. said the following...

Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I think Jeff was almost correct: Democrats care about INequality. Without it, they'd have nothing to run on.

That's why the Left uses the term "equity" instead of "equality".
In our society, we already have "equality". So the Lefties needed a different word which effective means "equal outcomes".

Bullsh!t.

Equity means "justice according to natural law or right; specifically: freedom from bias or favoritism."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/equity

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They're responsible for "racial equity," but their definition of "rac equity" is that "black people are the only ones in jail" and "let's g them out of jail and into the voting booths!"

That makes no sense at all. Cashless bail is independent of race.

Tell it to the Democrat assemblywoman who said that she signed it for racial equity.

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That makes no sense. If Republicans are the "conservatives of today" then why are they so eager to shut down the human smuggling industry once again?

Granting asylum to refugees is not "the human smuggling industry." That's your lie and you're the only one pushing it.

I didn't say anything about granting asylum to refugees.

Aside from that, are you denying that Republicans are conservative? Are you trying to imply that the "leftists" are the conservative ones?

Conservative and liberal are adjectives that express opinions. So it wouldn't be outrageous for someone to say "Trump's a liberal because he handed out all those covid relief checks." Or that "Kathy Hochul's a conservative because she's trying to increase the survival rate for blacks during the pandemic."

But I'm not saying any of that.

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That's because you suck at math. You have to look at those numbers as a percentage of the communities they represent.

You suck at reading, because it says it's the "total count," not "percentage
of the color they represent."

If you can somehow keep these statistics hidden indefinitely, then you'll do just fine on your quest to some day be "right" about someth

Those statistics support the triage decision.

No they don't! This data (which could be wrong but probably isn't) shows that whites are the ones who died the most from covid in the USA.

"Black Lives Matter" murals aren't equity.

Sure they are. Black lives do matter.

They don't matter more than any other color, but the slogan infers otherwise.

No, it doesn't. It simply states that they matter. Anything you read
into it beyond that is your own racism talking.

We were talking about racial equity. There's no racial equity in "Black Lives Matter."

Some people change. Some don't. That's just how it is. Biden has shown that he has changed. Trump hasn't.

That's ignorant one-sidedness at it's best. I don't pal around with anyone who's on video saying that he don't want my kids to go to school with his kids because they ain't white enough.

The only thing that has changed is the demographic that Biden needed to sell himself to.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

They're responsible for "racial equity," but their definition of equity" is that "black people are the only ones in jail" and "le them out of jail and into the voting booths!"

That makes no sense at all. Cashless bail is independent of race.

Tell it to the Democrat assemblywoman who said that she signed it for racial equity.

Cashless bail is independent of race. Cash bail can be biased.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That makes no sense. If Republicans are the "conservatives of to then why are they so eager to shut down the human smuggling indu once again?

Granting asylum to refugees is not "the human smuggling industry." Th your lie and you're the only one pushing it.

I didn't say anything about granting asylum to refugees.

No, but it's clear from your past comments what you meant.

Aside from that, are you denying that Republicans are conservative? A you trying to imply that the "leftists" are the conservative ones?

Conservative and liberal are adjectives that express opinions. So it wouldn't be outrageous for someone to say "Trump's a liberal because he handed out all those covid relief checks." Or that "Kathy Hochul's a conservative because she's trying to increase the survival rate for
blacks during the pandemic."

The Republican and Democrat parties are today largely split along
conservative and liberal lines, respectively.

But I'm not saying any of that.

You made the statement that the "leftists" are as conservative as the
Democrats of the 19th century.

Do you even know what "leftist" means?

The root of that term dates back to the French Revolution in 1789, when
members of the National Assembly were seated according to their support for
the monarchy; supporters of the king -- those in favor of maintaining the status quo -- were seated to the right of the president, and those in favor of revolution -- those who demanded change -- were seated to the president's
left. Thus, "right" came to mean conservative and "left" came to mean
liberal.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That's because you suck at math. You have to look at those numbers as percentage of the communities they represent.

You suck at reading, because it says it's the "total count," not "percentage of the color they represent."

I know exactly what it says. But the total count is meaningless without
taking the total population of each community into account.

If you can somehow keep these statistics hidden indefinitely, th you'll do just fine on your quest to some day be "right" about s

Those statistics support the triage decision.

No they don't! This data (which could be wrong but probably isn't) shows that whites are the ones who died the most from covid in the USA.

Not as a percentage of their community.

"Black Lives Matter" murals aren't equity.

Sure they are. Black lives do matter.

They don't matter more than any other color, but the slogan infe otherwise.

No, it doesn't. It simply states that they matter. Anything you read into it beyond that is your own racism talking.

We were talking about racial equity. There's no racial equity in "Black Lives Matter."

Sure there is. Police killings of unarmed blacks would seem to indicate that black lives do not matter as much as other lives. "Black Lives Matter" states that black lives matter just as much as any other life.

Some people change. Some don't. That's just how it is. Biden has show that he has changed. Trump hasn't.

That's ignorant one-sidedness at it's best. I don't pal around with
anyone who's on video saying that he don't want my kids to go to school with his kids because they ain't white enough.

Are you sure?

The only thing that has changed is the demographic that Biden needed to sell himself to.

Perhaps, but he's given every indication that he's changed. You're just
trying to pull up some quote from his distant past to make a dubious
political point.

Jeff.

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That's why the Left uses the term "equity" instead of "equality".

In our society, we already have "equality". So the Lefties needed a different word which effective means "equal outcomes".

You're right about that! Most people probably don't notice those words being used interchangeably, so they're inclined to think that Democrats stand for equality, while in reality, equality is bad for business because it reduces their victim stock.

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Cashless bail is independent of race. Cash bail can be biased.

You're the one who's biased if you think that.

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You made the statement that the "leftists" are as conservative as the Democrats of the 19th century.

That's major misquoting, because not only did I never say that, but I don't know what is meant by that statement.

Do you even know what "leftist" means?

It's idiots who swear by what the media tells them.

The root of that term dates back to the French Revolution in 1789, when members of the National Assembly were seated according to their support for the monarchy; supporters of the king -- those in favor of
maintaining the status quo -- were seated to the right of the president, and those in favor of revolution -- those who demanded change -- were seated to the president's left. Thus, "right" came to mean conservative and "left" came to mean liberal.

The meaning has changed over the years. I never used the word "leftist" until
I learned it here in this echo. I always referred to people as liberals and conservatives, because that's what I learned in my liberal college textbook.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That's why the Left uses the term "equity" instead of "equality".
In our society, we already have "equality". So the Lefties needed a different word which effective means "equal outcomes".

You're right about that! Most people probably don't notice those words being used interchangeably, so they're inclined to think that Democrats stand for equality, while in reality, equality is bad for business
because it reduces their victim stock.

Bullsh!t. Equality and equity are similar but not synonymous. Invest in a dictionary.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Cashless bail is independent of race. Cash bail can be biased.

You're the one who's biased if you think that.

Nope. Whom do you feel that cashless bail is biased against?

Jeff.

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On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

You made the statement that the "leftists" are as conservative as the Democrats of the 19th century.

That's major misquoting, because not only did I never say that, but I don't know what is meant by that statement.

Please review your comments. You asked why, if Republicans are the conservatives of today, do "leftists" support the human smuggling trade? In addition to being factually false in its inferences (When did you stop
beating your wife?), this implies that Republicans are not the conservatives
of today.

Do you even know what "leftist" means?

It's idiots who swear by what the media tells them.

Nope. Educate yourself.

The root of that term dates back to the French Revolution in 1789, wh members of the National Assembly were seated according to their suppo for the monarchy; supporters of the king -- those in favor of maintaining the status quo -- were seated to the right of the preside and those in favor of revolution -- those who demanded change -- were seated to the president's left. Thus, "right" came to mean conservati and "left" came to mean liberal.

The meaning has changed over the years. I never used the word "leftist" until I learned it here in this echo. I always referred to people as liberals and conservatives, because that's what I learned in my liberal college textbook.

The meaning has not changed substantially. Educate your ignorance.

Jeff.

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I know exactly what it says. But the total count is meaningless without taking the total population of each community into account.

No, you're trying to add meaninglessness into the equation.

No they don't! This data (which could be wrong but probably isn't) sh that whites are the ones who died the most from covid in the USA.

Not as a percentage of their community.

Hello? There are more dead white covid victims (in the USA) than black. There's no sane way to twist that around.

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On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I know exactly what it says. But the total count is meaningless witho taking the total population of each community into account.

No, you're trying to add meaninglessness into the equation.

Bullsh!t. The relative effect on each community needed to be taken into consideration, and was.

No they don't! This data (which could be wrong but probably isn' that whites are the ones who died the most from covid in the USA

Not as a percentage of their community.

Hello? There are more dead white covid victims (in the USA) than black. There's no sane way to twist that around.

COVID is more deadly to black people than white, plain and simple.

Jeff.

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On 06-12-22 03:59, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Dr Oz! <=-

Non-whites were at a higher risk of death from COVID than whites. That's how triage works.

That sounds like BS, and even google seems to think so:

"Of the approximately 997,000 cumulative U.S. deaths, these are the numbers of lives lost by group: Asian (31,119), Black (142,361), Indigenous (11,046), Latino (160,588), Pacific Islander (2,132) and
White Americans (642,802). Additionally, 6,545 deaths are recorded as other race."
https://www.apmresearchlab.org/covid/deaths-by-race

You embarrass yourself with that statement. You are quoting total deaths
when Jeff was talking Covid deaths. Go back and find a relevant
statistic if you can.

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On 06-12-22 18:42, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Dr Oz! <=-

No they don't! This data (which could be wrong but probably isn't)
shows that whites are the ones who died the most from covid in the USA.

The data you quoted shows no such thing. It shows who died the most, no
cause was posted.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

You're right about that! Most people probably don't notice those words being used interchangeably, so they're inclined to think that Democrats stand for equality, while in reality, equality is bad for business
because it reduces their victim stock.

Wordsmithing has been a Leftie strategy for a long time now.

Look how often they will call something by a nice, positive sounding name. But when you look into what they are actually doing, and what the actual outcome will be, it's the opposite of that nice, positive sounding name.


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No they don't! This data (which could be wrong but probably isn't) shows that whites are the ones who died the most from covid in the US

The data you quoted shows no such thing. It shows who died the most, no cause was posted.

Oops! I see my mistake now.

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He just said a couple years back "If you don't know if you're for me or Trump,
then you ain't black!" For someone trying to redeem themself, he's doing a bad
job! Did he change yesterday?

But, but, but Biden is a Democrat so he really meant something else. :)


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Look how often they will call something by a nice, positive sounding name. Bu
when you look into what they are actually doing, and what the actual outcome will be, it's the opposite of that nice, positive sounding name.

Like "peaceful protest"? :)


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On 13 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Look how often they will call something by a nice, positive sounding nam Bu
when you look into what they are actually doing, and what the actual out will be, it's the opposite of that nice, positive sounding name.

Like "peaceful protest"? :)

Isn't that what Trump called for at the Capitol on 1/6?

Jeff.

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