When I am in winpoint's editor, the space to type is reeeaally skinny.
I can't move the bar to expand it.
How do I get echomail going?
My Bossnode told me how to do it but I lost the message.
Is it
In netmail
name: me
subject my password
Body: points
Or should body be
my pass:
echogroup?
???
Thanks in advance.
Hello Alan!
On 08.10.18 at 17:24, Alan wrote to ALL:
When I am in winpoint's editor, the space to type is reeeaally skinny.
I can't move the bar to expand it.
I can't reproduce that here, so I can't help you with that one, sorry.
How do I get echomail going?
My Bossnode told me how to do it but I lost the message.
Is it
In netmail
Yes, it is.
name: me
subject my password Body: points
Or should body be
my pass: echogroup?
???
From: <your name>
To: areafix (make sure you insert your BossNode's AKA in the box at the right-hand end of the "To:" field)
Subject: <your areafix password>
Assuming that you wish to link into the POINTS echo, the message body should contain the following:
POINTS
-+-
Don't put anything after the three dashes.
Thanks in advance.
You're welcome :-)
Regards, Martin
-+- OpenXP 5.0.34
@ ORIGINAL: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:250/1.1)
Everything smartens up when I go to a minimized window.
That must be a bug in the program.
Thank you
Hello Alan!
On 09.10.18 at 09:11, Alan Beck wrote to Martin Foster:
Everything smartens up when I go to a minimized window.
That must be a bug in the program.
OK but please note that there are a number of bugs in the programme. Unfortunately, these will never be fixed, as the author is no longer developing WinPoint. Fortunately, none of them are "show stoppers",
it's just a case of living with them.
Thank you
You're welcome and if it's of any interest, I've written a basic installation/setup guide for WinPoint(not finished yet). You can get a copy from https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint
Regards, Martin
-+- OpenXP 5.0.34
@ ORIGINAL: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:250/1.1)
Thank you
You're welcome and if it's of any interest, I've written a basic installation/setup guide for WinPoint(not finished yet). You can get a copy from https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint
Regards, Martin
-+- OpenXP 5.0.34
@ ORIGINAL: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:250/1.1)
Thank you
You're welcome and if it's of any interest, I've written a basic
installation/setup guide for WinPoint(not finished yet). You can get a
copy from https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint
I used that document to the "T" and it worked great. Thank you for your help it was great.
..I've written a basic
installation/setup guide for WinPoint(not finished yet). You can get a
copy from https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint
a copy from https://stargate.org.uk/winpointI do have to confess that I ran into some confusion about: Beschreibung/Relativ Zeile = 0
Beschreibung/Anfangspalte = 32
Areaname/Anfangspalte = 6
I do have to confess that I ran into some confusion about:
Beschreibung/Relativ Zeile = 0 Beschreibung/Anfangspalte = 32
Areaname/Anfangspalte = 6
This part is made very badly indeed. First it ignores ANYTHING not in CAPS.
I think the first is how many lines to ignore. (introduction info without real areas) Then it is simply column where the areaname is and column where the description is.
But areaname needs to be CAPS.
I think the first is how many lines to ignore. (introduction info without real areas) Then it is simply column where the areaname is and column where the description is.
But areaname needs to be CAPS.
Martin Foster : Alan Beck wrote:
..I've written a basic installation/setup guide for WinPoint(not finished
yet). You can get a copy from https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint
Nice work on writing up the guide. Thank you for doing that.
I've managed to send a request to areafix to pull in the points echo. I got the expected acknowledgement too. But each time I poll my boss, nothing gets delivered.
The request to get a nodelist worked well.
I do have to confess that I ran into some confusion about:
Beschreibung/Relativ Zeile = 0 Beschreibung/Anfangspalte = 32 Areaname/Anfangspalte = 6
...etc,
I am not sure what those settings are supposed to accomplish. I was not seeing any real differences. Are those settings the key to actually receive echomail content?
Hi August!
10 Mar 2019 05:20, from August Abolins -> Martin Foster:
a copy from https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint
I do have to confess that I ran into some confusion about:
Beschreibung/Relativ Zeile = 0 Beschreibung/Anfangspalte = 32
Areaname/Anfangspalte = 6
This part is made very badly indeed.
First it ignores ANYTHING not in CAPS.
I think the first is how many lines to ignore. (introduction info without real areas)
Then it is simply column where the areaname is and column
where the description is.
But areaname needs to be CAPS.
I do have to confess that I ran into some confusion about:
Beschreibung/Relativ Zeile = 0
Hi August!
10 Mar 2019 05:20, from August Abolins -> Martin Foster:
a copy from https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint
I do have to confess that I ran into some confusion about:
Beschreibung/Relativ Zeile = 0
Beschreibung/Anfangspalte = 32
Areaname/Anfangspalte = 6
This part is made very badly indeed.
First it ignores ANYTHING not in CAPS.
I think the first is how many lines to ignore. (introduction info without real areas)
Thanks for that. My boss sends the arealist all in lowercase. For example:
Available areas for 2:221/1.58
10th_amd
12_steps
24000.ger
4dos
60s_70s_progrock
80xxx
aarp_fraud ............................. "AARP Fraud Warning Network News" abled
adept_sysop
ads_announce
adsl
aftershock
aioe.system
aioe.test
alabama.test
alaska_chat
all-politics
..so, maybe this is why I can't seem to pick anything after the "Use as Arealist" function.
Hello Richard,
On *10.03.19* at *10:01:28*, you wrote:
I think the first is how many lines to ignore. (introduction info
without real areas) Then it is simply column where the areaname is and
column where the description is.
But areaname needs to be CAPS.
I just can't get those official controls to cooperate.
Meanwhile, I took a peak in:
C:\home_directory_for_winpoint\WinPoint\MsgBase
..and looked inside the file: "2.221.1.0.EchoAreas" with notepad (where 2.221.1.0" is my boss node address),
..I learned that the file is simply pure text with each line constructed thusly:
. 1stAREANAME
. 2ndAREANAME
. 3rdAREANAME
..etc.
I learned that the file in this format will show up in Winpoint'
"Echoarea Management" with those areas on the LEFT side of the panel.
From there, you can click on the areaname you are interested in and it will "move" over to the right panel. This is the mechanism for creating an areafix request.
When that is done, the contents of the file change like so:
* 1stAREANAME
* 2ndAREANAME
* 3rdAREANAME
..where the asterisk represents the areas that have been "requested".
When the lines look like that, the areas show up in the main Winpoint reading/folders panel.
I am not sure if I like this work-around. :(
aftershock
aioe.system
aioe.test
alabama.test
alaska_chat
all-politics
..so, maybe this is why I can't seem to pick anything after the"Use as Arealist" function.
Yes, that's exactly why.
I'm confused!
Beschreibung/Relativ Zeile = 0
After a bit of experimenting, I've figured this one out.
Normally, the area description would be on the same line as the area
tag but if for some reason it's on the line below the area tag, this setting should be set to "1" and if it's on the second line below the
area tag, it should be set to "2" and so on and so forth. If it's on
the line above the area tag, it should be set to "-1".
//Hallo Richard, //
am *10.03.19* um *10:01:28* schriebst Du in der Area *POINTS* an *August Abolins* eine Mail zum Thema *"Heeeeellllp"*.
On Tuesday 11:50:00, you wrote:
I'm confused!
Let me retry explaining.
This means that I can build my own area list by first changing all the original lower-case text to uppercase, add a dot and a space just before the area name, and save that as my complete "Zone.Net.Node.0.EchoAreas" file to use.
Maybe you can add a section to your fine manual about this uppercase/lowercase issue, and provide an explanation with a workaround
as above.
WinPoint seems to be quite a fine all-in-one program for supporting echomail access without needing any other fancy FTN support programs.
I am currently switching back and forth between WinPoint and the
newsgroup (nntp) method with Thunderbird. Both have advantages and disadvantages. I was thinking of writing up a comparison of those.
Anyway.. I hope this rewrite has cleared some of the original confusion.
On Tuesday 11:06:00, you wrote:
Beschreibung/Relativ Zeile = 0
After a bit of experimenting, I've figured this one out.
Normally, the area description would be on the same line as the area tag
but if for some reason it's on the line below the area tag, this setting
should be set to "1" and if it's on the second line below the area tag,
it should be set to "2" and so on and so forth. If it's on the line
above the area tag, it should be set to "-1".
Thanks for reporting that. Even though it does not matter in my case
(due to the arealist being in lowercase), I was still curious to know
what the above setting was intended to accomplish.
Sounds like a good entry/update for the userguide! ;)
I would suggest two sections of help in the guide:
[1] "If your areafix list is in UPPERCASE:"
[2] "If your areafix list is in lowercase: then none of this matters and you are out of luck!" :)
Hello Martin,
On Tuesday 11:17:00, you wrote:
..so, maybe this is why I can't seem to pick anything after the"Use as Arealist" function.
Yes, that's exactly why.
Time for an update to the manual? <g>
Btw, kudos for your work on the manual in English.
Do you work as a technical writer?
When I came across WinPoint just a few weeks ago, I was determined to start a manual in English using direct translation results with google. That seemed fairly straight-forward, paragraph by paragraph, section by section. But I am so glad for https://fidonet.ozzmosis.com/ and some quick scrolling through the Subject lines in POINTS echo to find your
post from 2017.
WinPoint seems to be quite a fine all-in-one program for supporting
echomail access without needing any other fancy FTN support programs.
Yes it is but it's a bit buggy here 'n there and unfortunately the bugs will probably never be fixed :-((
I am currently switching back and forth between WinPoint and the
newsgroup (nntp) method with Thunderbird. Both have advantages and
disadvantages. I was thinking of writing up a comparison of those.
A comparison would be nice, thanks :)
I've never used the NNTP method with Thunderbird, perhaps you could consider posting some instructions on how to do it in a separate post.
On 13.03.19, you wrote:
WinPoint seems to be quite a fine all-in-one program for supporting
echomail access without needing any other fancy FTN support programs.
Yes it is but it's a bit buggy here 'n there and unfortunately the bugs
will probably never be fixed :-((
Other than the char-case issues with the arealist,what else are you finding buggy? I am still quite new to WinPoint so I am not sure what else I may encounter.
I do seem to have a problem with using the Request feature.
It seems to always build a request to 0:8/15.
I don't know where the number comes from.
So, Instead, I resorted to creating my filefix requests manually
and directly in netmail.
But now that I have subscribed to getting the nodelist automatically from my boss, I don't expect to be needing the built-in Request anymore. But it sure would be nice if Request wasn't broken.
Apoint and Beemail came really close to being good Windows-GUI programs for regular use.
Apoint was an all-in-one complete point system. But it turned out to be unreliable and crashed or locked up unexpectedly.
- WinPoint sometimes crashes when you try to change the font - Changes to some of the templates don't always "stick" - After starting WinPoint and polling for mail, the mailer logfile doesn't appear in the "Reports" folder until you exit and re-start WinPoint - Adding an archiver to the list of archivers doesn't work
problem with using the Request feature..always build a request to 0:8/15.
I don't know where the number comes from.
Ah, that's because you didn't click the "Neu" button first ;-)
Hmmmmm, you could have used the "Filearea Management" function for
that.
Making file requests to systems other than my BossNode has to rate as
the most convoluted process ever but it can be done. Pleeeeez don't ask me how :-))
I used APoint many years ago but I don't recall having any problems
with it. The only thing it didn't have was Fido-over-IP but there was a plugin for that which worked very well.
I've just discovered something about WinPoint that I didn't know ;-)
WinPoint's message reader will render all text enclosed in double forward slashes in //italic// and all text enclosed in asterisks will be rendered in *bold*.
Thought I'd just mention that just in case you hadn't spotted it ;-))
Andrew Clarke's online echomail archive is an extremely useful resource and one which I've used regularly over the years.
- WinPoint sometimes crashes when you try to change the font - Changes
to some of the templates don't always "stick" - After starting WinPoint
and polling for mail, the mailer logfile doesn't appear in the
"Reports" folder until you exit and re-start WinPoint - Adding an
archiver to the list of archivers doesn't work
Yes.. the font selection for Message Editor doesn't seem to be changing anymore. Maybe I have to change the font for another element before that one kicks in. When I *did* get it to change, I *did* change the font for Message Reader and Quoted text too.
The Banckround colours change instantly though.
problem with using the Request feature..always build a request to
0:8/15. I don't know where the number comes from.
Ah, that's because you didn't click the "Neu" button first ;-)
DOHHH! Thanks. Works like a charm now.
Hmmmmm, you could have used the "Filearea Management" function for that.
Nope. Same Uppercase/lowercase problem as for Arealist. Everything lowercase (except the descriptions) is ignored.
Beemail seems to be the only other Win-GUI internet-ready point program available. But it needs much more pre-configuration than Winpoint.
Thanks for that. My boss sends the arealist all in lowercase.
..so, maybe this is why I can't seem to pick anything after the "Use
as Arealist" function.
First it ignores ANYTHING not in CAPS.I wasn't aware of that, thanks for pointing it out.
I've just discovered something about WinPoint that I didn't know ;-)
WinPoint's message reader will render all text enclosed in double
forward slashes in //italic// and all text enclosed in asterisks will
be rendered in *bold*.
Beemail seems to be the only other Win-GUI internet-ready point program
available. But it needs much more pre-configuration than Winpoint.
I'd like to have a look at BeeMail but all the links I can find for it
are "dead". Where can I get a copy?
Does somebody have the WinPoint Source?
On 15.03.19, you wrote:
Does somebody have the WinPoint Source?
That would be a very good question. I think the best we can do is online sleuthing and try to track down the author and an updated email address.
On 15.03.19, you wrote:
Beemail seems to be the only other Win-GUI internet-ready point program
available. But it needs much more pre-configuration than Winpoint.
I'd like to have a look at BeeMail but all the links I can find for it
are "dead". Where can I get a copy?
Hi Martin,
I don't remember how exactly, but I eventually noticed "Filegate" mentioned in one of the fido newsletters. Filegate publishes file request stats.. so, I think I followed the web address for Filegate:
http://www.filegate.net/
OR.. I maybe I remembered the filegate site for other reasons in the past (nodelist, newsletter, etc) and remembered seeing the sections for fido software.
There, the BBS Mailer page lists Beemail in the bunch.
Check it out.
I'm not too crazy continuing to use WinPoint in its buggy state full
time.
11 Mar 2019 13:43, from Martin Foster -> Richard Menedetter:
First it ignores ANYTHING not in CAPS.
I wasn't aware of that, thanks for pointing it out.
No problem.
Does somebody have the WinPoint Source?
Does somebody have the WinPoint Source?Highly unlikely, as it's closed source :-(
BTW ..... have you seen my crash netmail which I delivered yesterday(Friday)?
I've just discovered something about WinPoint that I didn't know ;-)
WinPoint's message reader will render all text enclosed in double
forward slashes in //italic// and all text enclosed in asterisks will be
rendered in *bold*.
This is taken from GoldEd. Try out _Underline_ maybe that works, too?
I can recommend OpenXP :-)) Versions available for Windows and Linux from https://openxp.uk Source is also available.
If you do decide to have a look, I would *STRONGLY* advise you to grab
a copy of "oxpguide.pdf" and read sections 1 and 2 before proceeding
with the installation and configuration.
SemPoint v2.26 for Windows <=- FREEWARESemPoint is the 1st Offline Reader for
On 16.03.19, you wrote:
I can recommend OpenXP :-)) Versions available for Windows and Linux
from https://openxp.uk Source is also available.
If you do decide to have a look, I would *STRONGLY* advise you to grab
a copy of "oxpguide.pdf" and read sections 1 and 2 before proceeding
with the installation and configuration.
I believe I had a quick look at OpenXP a little while ago. It has a terminal/DOS look to it, right? I am not drawn to that.
I prefer a windows gui.
The one other gui-based point program I used quite happily was SemPoint.
I seem to recall that its compiled nodelist was pretty amazing too. Searchable. A user could just select the address in a current message and the nodelist details would pop up.
To have a SemPoint solution today with tcp/ip, would it be as simple as adding Binkd in a batch file or something?
Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins <=-
Where Fido software is concerned, I much prefer console-mode
applications.
I remember back in the day when a Windows GUI offline message reader came to be - it seemed weird reading mail in a GUI and using Notepad to edit replies...
Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins <=-
Where Fido software is concerned, I much prefer console-mode
applications.
I remember back in the day when a Windows GUI offline message reader came to be - it seemed weird reading mail in a GUI and using Notepad to edit replies...
17.03.19 8:56:00, Kurt Weiske wrote to Martin Foster:
..it seemed weird reading mail in a GUI and using Notepad to
edit replies...
It still does seem weird reading mail in a GUI and it probably always will, simply because I was brought up on DOS. Can't beat plain ASCII text
On 14.03.19 at 02:35, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:
On 13.03.19, you wrote:
Yes it is but it's a bit buggy here 'n there and unfortunately the bugs
will probably never be fixed :-((
Other than the char-case issues with the arealist,what else are you
finding buggy? I am still quite new to WinPoint so I am not sure what
else I may encounter.
- WinPoint sometimes crashes when you try to change the font
- Changes to some of the templates don't always "stick"
- After starting WinPoint and polling for mail, the mailer logfile
doesn't appear in the "Reports" folder until you exit and re-start
WinPoint
- Adding an archiver to the list of archivers doesn't work
There's probably more but those are the ones that immediately spring
to mind.
- Adding an archiver to the list of archivers doesn't work
Found some more :-(
- Doesn't seem capable of handling a multi-Point setup particularly
well. - Although the uninstaller appears to work, it doesn't actually do anything.
- Adding an archiver to the list of archivers doesn't work
..haven't tried that, but maybe arrangements can be made with the Boss to send packets unpacked? Mine is configured *without* an archiver because
my Boss assured me the message packets can be sent as-is.
Found some more :-(
- Doesn't seem capable of handling a multi-Point setup particularly
well. - Although the uninstaller appears to work, it doesn't actually do
anything.
Oh no. You mean using the "mailboxen" added to the Poll list, but using
a differnet "other:net/node.point"?
But if Winpoint can utilize a nodelist that uses zones 1,2,3,4 etc. It ought to have no problem using the othernet numbers ..as long as they are combined into one big nodelist. ???
Or.. were you just Polling direct after entering the othernet
addresses?
I think Winpoint assumes just one fixed zone:net/node.point address for you, the user - based on the Setup process. After this setup, there doesn't seem to be a way to change .point address later unless we go the Setup as if for the first time installation.
But, maybe you can work with multiple Winpoint installations - one for each othernet?
You should be able to change it in "Extras/Options/Uplinks". In the "Fidostyle Uplinks" pane click the "Properties" button and then click
the "Mailersitzung" Tab. Look at the "Adresse" field but I haven't actually tried it.
It would be interesting to see if a combination of a Fido Point and an "OtherNet" Point actually works but I can't try that. Perhaps someone
else could try it? ;-)
..In other words, after polling each
BossNode in turn, I have three copies of each message in each respective area folder in my echomail folder tree.
@ ORIGINAL: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:250/1.1)
On 22.03.19, you wrote:
..In other words, after polling each
BossNode in turn, I have three copies of each message in each respective
area folder in my echomail folder tree.
@ ORIGINAL: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:250/1.1)
I don't see you in the Z2PNT nodelist segment.
What are your other Boss nodes?
I don't see where I can change my point number.
What are your other Boss nodes?
2:250/1.1, 2:240/2188.31, 2:310/31.3
I don't see where I can change my point number.Methinks I already covered that in a previous reply :)
What are your other Boss nodes?
2:250/1.1, 2:240/2188.31, 2:310/31.3
Huh? Your "boss" nodes are point nodes?
Now, that's a bit interesting.
OR.. do you mean 2:250.1, 2:240/2188 and 2:310/31 are your Boss nodes?
If Winpoint can be configured with a Boss node (or Uplink in this case)
as another point system, then that's interesting.
The difference between - [1] Options/Uplinks:Fidostyle Uplinks, and [2] Options/Uplinks:Systems
..and their purpose is not clear to me. For me, they have the same entry info: 2:221/1
On 14.03.19 at 13:45, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:
On 14.03.19 at 02:35, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:
On 13.03.19, you wrote:
[snip]
Yes it is but it's a bit buggy here 'n there and unfortunately the
bugs will probably never be fixed :-((
Other than the char-case issues with the arealist,what else are you
finding buggy? I am still quite new to WinPoint so I am not sure what
else I may encounter.
- WinPoint sometimes crashes when you try to change the font
- Changes to some of the templates don't always "stick"
- After starting WinPoint and polling for mail, the mailer logfile
doesn't appear in the "Reports" folder until you exit and re-start
WinPoint
- Adding an archiver to the list of archivers doesn't work
There's probably more but those are the ones that immediately spring
to mind.
Found some more :-(
- Doesn't seem capable of handling a multi-Point setup particularly
well.
- Although the uninstaller appears to work, it doesn't actually do
anything.
Found another one .....
- 5D addresses MUST be used, otherwise, WinPoint transmits invalid
AKAs to the remote system and the result of that is that the remote
system will boot you off.
- 5D addresses MUST be used, otherwise, WinPoint transmits invalid
AKAs to the remote system and the result of that is that the remote
system will boot you off.
Well... it *is* a point program, so.. to me that implies that it
*expects* to operate as a 5D machine, and communicate with a Boss(es) only. Every message it creates internally will be 5D.
Well... it *is* a point program, so.. to me that implies that it
*expects* to operate as a 5D machine,
I think I found another one:
- When Forwarding a post to another echo/area, the Extra/Options/ Templates for the defined HEADER do not get inserted into the new
message.
On 2019 Mar 25 19:32:38, you wrote to Martin Foster:
- 5D addresses MUST be used, otherwise, WinPoint transmits invalid
AKAs to the remote system and the result of that is that the remote
system will boot you off.
Well... it *is* a point program, so.. to me that implies that it
*expects* to operate as a 5D machine, and communicate with a Boss(es)
only. Every message it creates internally will be 5D.
MSGID/REPLY are 3D/4D with the zone...
i just wanted to clarify the terminology...
Found another one .....
- 5D addresses MUST be used, otherwise, WinPoint transmits invalid
AKAs to the remote system and the result of that is that the remote
system will boot you off.
On 25.03.19, you wrote to August Abolins:
Found another one .....
- 5D addresses MUST be used, otherwise, WinPoint transmits invalid
AKAs to the remote system and the result of that is that the remote
system will boot you off.
Well... it *is* a point program, so.. to me that implies that it
*expects* to operate as a 5D machine, and communicate with a Boss(es) only. Every message it creates internally will be 5D.
..and therefore, every Uplink and/or System has to be a 4D Boss(?)
However, as I write this, there *is* a Crashmail option at the top of
this internal editor window. So, could that imply that it can call/poll *any* other open (no session password) system that would accept
Crashmail?
If so, then maybe it can do what you would think, but for
some reason, the config is wrong somewhere?
Well... it *is* a point program, so.. to me that implies that it
*expects* to operate as a 5D machine,
Why??? 4D is point addressing 5D is domain addressing
Why would it expect a domain to be present?
- When Forwarding a post to another echo/area, the Extra/Options/
Templates for the defined HEADER do not get inserted into the new
message.
I rarely forward messages, so I hadn't noticed it. I've just tried it
and I can confirm that the template is not inserted here either.
..and therefore, every Uplink and/or System has to be a 4D Boss(?)
Ummmmm? :-)
The problem here is that the "@" preceeding the domain is hard-coded.
If the user doesn't specify a domain, WinPoint's mailer will transmit "<zone>:<net>/<node>.<point>@", which is an invalid address.
After further testing, I've discovered that it depends on which mailer
the remote system is using. I can reproduce this problem on two
systems, both of which are using binkD. I've tried it on a third
system, which is using mbcico(MBSE) and I had no problems with the session.
Even though WinPoint's mailer transmits 5D AKA's to the remote system, WinPoint's mail processor inserts 4D addresses in the MSGID's.
MSGID/REPLY are 3D/4D with the zone...
Ah, that answers a question I was going to ask elsewhere ;-)
I now have another question .....
Would a 5D address <zone>:<net>/<node>.<point>@<domain> in the MSGID
cause any problems.
i just wanted to clarify the terminology...
Many thanks indeed for posting the info, very interesting and useful.
Well... it *is* a point program, so.. to me that implies that it
*expects* to operate as a 5D machine,
Why??? 4D is point addressing 5D is domain addressing
Why would it expect a domain to be present?
MY BAD. I made a totally stupid assumption that a .point was the 5th part. duh.
<cowering and slinking away in shame..>
ummm... 5D includes the FTN domain, guys...
1D : node 2D : net/node and node.point 3D : zone:net/node and net/node.point 4D : zone:net/node.point 5D : zone:net/node.point@domain or domain#zone:net/node.point
i just wanted to clarify the terminology...
@MSGID: 2:221/360 5c9a4bcc
@REPLY: 2:310/31.3@fidonet d6c97514
@PID: JamNNTPd/OS2 1.3 20190208
@TID: GE/2 1.2
@CHRS: IBMPC 2
@TZUTC: 0200
Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:
Even though WinPoint's mailer transmits 5D AKA's to the remote system,
WinPoint's mail processor inserts 4D addresses in the MSGID's.
When I look at the header of another message *I* sent off with WinPoint,
I just see 4D style in MSGID. When I look at your messages using OpenXP, they are 5D.
I wonder what *this* message using Thunderbird will produce.
It's interesting to see these differences.
--- Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228)
* Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360) SEEN-BY: 57/0 153/135 250 757 6809 267/67 800 280/464 290/10 317/2 393/68 SEEN-BY: 770/0 1 10 100 330 340 772/0 1 500 3634/12 116/116 123/25 150 755 SEEN-BY: 135/300 153/7715 261/38 3634/15 24 27 50 123/50 3634/0 18/0 123/0 SEEN-BY: 1/120
@PATH: 221/360 1 280/464 770/1 153/250 757 3634/12
- 5D addresses MUST be used, otherwise, WinPoint transmits invalid
AKAs to the remote system and the result of that is that the remote
system will boot you off.
Correction .....
- WinPoint is incapable of transmitting valid 4D addresses to the
remote system(s), which can cause problems with some(but not all)
remote systems. It is therefore strongly advisable to use 5D
addresses.
Interestingly.. it seems to be the only one in those template/options
that fails. I guess we could repurpose one of the other "Header" templates (such as "Comment Header") and use that?
Have you tried creating a new Group of headers? Maybe that will trigger
a new collection that works?
On 2019 Mar 26 13:17:00, you wrote to me:
I now have another question .....
Would a 5D address <zone>:<net>/<node>.<point>@<domain> in the MSGID
cause any problems.
MSGID is just an identifier of the message... having the domain should
not hurt anything that doesn't try to parse it... parsing MSGIDs is BadJuJu<tm>... especially if trying to parse the first field, the (supposed) address of the originating system...
- When Forwarding a post to another echo/area, the Extra/Options/
Templates for the defined HEADER do not get inserted into the new
message.
I rarely forward messages, so I hadn't noticed it. I've just tried it
and I can confirm that the template is not inserted here either.
Interestingly.. it seems to be the only one in those template/options
that fails.
I guess we could repurpose one of the other "Header" templates (such as "Comment Header") and use that?
Have you tried creating a new Group of headers?
Maybe that will trigger a new collection that works?
On 26.03.19, you wrote to August Abolins:
..and therefore, every Uplink and/or System has to be a 4D Boss(?)
Ummmmm? :-)
Nevermind. Apparently I don't know what I was talking about! :(
The problem here is that the "@" preceeding the domain is hard-coded. If
the user doesn't specify a domain, WinPoint's mailer will transmit
"<zone>:<net>/<node>.<point>@", which is an invalid address.
Hmmm.. Methinks that 5D is a good thing. Isn't 5D supposed to be an improvement?
The Extra/Options/Uplinks:FidostyleUplinks seems to be the item intended for the part after the @. Maybe it is also a way to differentiate from othernets?
After further testing, I've discovered that it depends on which mailer
the remote system is using. I can reproduce this problem on two systems,
both of which are using binkD. I've tried it on a third system, which is
using mbcico(MBSE) and I had no problems with the session.
Sounds like WinPoint needs a compatibility list, or a warning that it is
a truly 5D system.
Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:
Even though WinPoint's mailer transmits 5D AKA's to the remote system,
WinPoint's mail processor inserts 4D addresses in the MSGID's.
When I look at the header of another message *I* sent off with WinPoint,
I just see 4D style in MSGID. When I look at your messages using OpenXP, they are 5D.
I wonder what *this* message using Thunderbird will produce.
It's interesting to see these differences.
- 5D addresses MUST be used, otherwise, WinPoint transmits invalid
AKAs to the remote system and the result of that is that the remote
system will boot you off.
Correction .....
- WinPoint is incapable of transmitting valid 4D addresses to the
remote system(s), which can cause problems with some(but not all) remote
systems. It is therefore strongly advisable to use 5D addresses.
Looks pretty ok in binkd log:
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] SYS August's Point
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] ZYZ August Abolins
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] LOC Bancroft ON CANADA
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] VER TCMBinkP/0.71 binkp/1.1
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] addr: 2:221/1.58@fidonet
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] pwd protected session (plain text)
On *26.03.19* at *10:54:39* *August Abolins* wrote in Area *POINTS* with Subject: *"Winpoint: buggyness?"*.
UPDATE: I tried a create New Group of templates. WinPoint calls it "Neue Gruppe". WinPoint re-generates all the original-format (in German) templates. But *none* of them activate. I am not sure how to make the Neue Gruppe collection "stick" for subsequent use, but it *is* the last set of templates "selected".
Any ideas Martin?
I guess we could repurpose one of the other "Header" templates (such as
"Comment Header") and use that?
Well, you could but I couldn't because I need the "Comment" header, as I occasionally "Comment reply" ;-)
Well, you could but I couldn't because I need the "Comment" header, as
I occasionally "Comment reply" ;-)
I don't see a significant difference between Ctrl-K (comment reply) and Ctrl-R (reply). Both messages get the "quoted" treatment in the new post. What is the diff that you see?
But the whole matter about a broken Forward (Ctrl-F) may not be a total loss. When doing a Ctrl-F, the message body is *not* quoted as expected. But we still have the option to change the destination "Area:" at the top of the new editing window.
Any ideas Martin?
Yes :)
- Extras/Options/General Tab
- Click the Properties button in the Prototype Area pane
- Click the input field in the Textgruppe pane
- Click on Neue Gruppe
- Click the Ubernehmen button
- Click OK
The problem here is that the "@" preceeding the domain is hard-coded.
If the user doesn't specify a domain, WinPoint's mailer will transmit
"<zone>:<net>/<node>.<point>@", which is an invalid address.
The Extra/Options/Uplinks:FidostyleUplinks seems to be the item
intended for the part after the @. Maybe it is also a way to
differentiate from othernets?
Yes, that's its exact purpose and maybe this is one of the reasons why WinPoint can't handle my hybrid setup?
I'm not so sure about a compatibility list but I'd already planned on adding a warning about this somewhere in my revised Guide that I'm
working on.
- Extras/Options/General Tab - Click the Properties button in the Prototype Area pane - Click the input field in the Textgruppe pane -
Click on Neue Gruppe - Click the Ubernehmen button - Click OK
That should do it but I haven't tried it myself :-)
Looks pretty ok in binkd log:
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] VER TCMBinkP/0.71 binkp/1.1
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] addr: 2:221/1.58@fidonet
So.. it looks like WinPoint is limited to uplinks that support 5D only (except for mbcico(MBSE)?
Is there a specific NL entry that indicates 5D systems?
But the whole matter about a broken Forward (Ctrl-F) may not
be a total loss. When doing a Ctrl-F, the message body is
*not* quoted as expected.
forwarding a message is not quoting it... forwarding is forwarding with
maybe a header added indicating it was forwarded and possibly letting you
add something else to the message body...
I don't see a significant difference between Ctrl-K (comment reply) and
Ctrl-R (reply). Both messages get the "quoted" treatment in the new
post. What is the diff that you see?
the difference is who it is addressed to... one is a reply to the writer and the other is an additional comment by you to the writer's destination user...
Looks pretty ok in binkd log:
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] VER TCMBinkP/0.71 binkp/1.1
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] addr: 2:221/1.58@fidonet
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] pwd protected session (plain text)
Looks pretty ok in binkd log:
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] VER TCMBinkP/0.71 binkp/1.1
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] addr: 2:221/1.58@fidonet
Is the 5Dth case sensitive?
I don't see a significant difference between Ctrl-K (comment reply)
and Ctrl-R (reply). Both messages get the "quoted" treatment in the
new post. What is the diff that you see?
the difference is who it is addressed to... one is a reply to the
writer and the other is an additional comment by you to the writer's
destination user...
Testing C)omment. Original message was by "mark" to me. Cool. I
like this.
(It doesn't look like Thunderbird has it.)
I don't think many people are using comments for their "new" messages.
But it's a great way for someone to ADD additional text in support of
the original writer.
On 27.03.19, you wrote to August Abolins:
I guess we could repurpose one of the other "Header" templates (such as
"Comment Header") and use that?
Well, you could but I couldn't because I need the "Comment" header, as I
occasionally "Comment reply" ;-)
I don't see a significant difference between Ctrl-K (comment reply) and Ctrl-R (reply). Both messages get the "quoted" treatment in the new
post. What is the diff that you see?
But the whole matter about a broken Forward (Ctrl-F) may not be a total loss. When doing a Ctrl-F, the message body is *not* quoted as expected. But we still have the option to change the destination "Area:" at the top of the new editing window.
Infact, we can do that with *any* "reply". The only thing missing in a true Forward is the fancy header/template/preamble.
The problem here is that the "@" preceeding the domain is hard-coded.
If the user doesn't specify a domain, WinPoint's mailer will transmit
"<zone>:<net>/<node>.<point>@", which is an invalid address.
The Extra/Options/Uplinks:FidostyleUplinks seems to be the item
intended for the part after the @. Maybe it is also a way to
differentiate from othernets?
Yes, that's its exact purpose and maybe this is one of the reasons why
WinPoint can't handle my hybrid setup?
So.. it looks like WinPoint is limited to uplinks that support 5D only (except for mbcico(MBSE)?
Are you experimenting with all the other "Fido Over IP" options in WinPoint?
Is there a specific NL entry that indicates 5D systems?
I'm not so sure about a compatibility list but I'd already planned on
adding a warning about this somewhere in my revised Guide that I'm
working on.
This is really good of you to reveal the details/problems.
In another matter..
I wish there was a way to M)ark or T)ag a message for later reading/replying. I don't always feel like replying to a message that I am currently reading, but I'd like it to stand out so that I can find those messages later.
Thunderbird has that feature hands-down.
- Extras/Options/General Tab - Click the Properties button in the
Prototype Area pane - Click the input field in the Textgruppe pane -
Click on Neue Gruppe - Click the Ubernehmen button - Click OK
That should do it but I haven't tried it myself :-)
Did not seem to work. :(
BTW.. Ctrl-R (or Reply) breaks the tidy ordered list you made above and strips the carriage-returns. :(
All the stuff in Extras/Options/General, Allgemeines, "Andern..." needs translation!
Looks like there is a wealth of config settings in there to make our messages look the way we want.
Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:
Any ideas Martin?
Yes :)
- Extras/Options/General Tab - Click the Properties button in the
Prototype Area pane - Click the input field in the Textgruppe pane - Click
on Neue Gruppe - Click the Ubernehmen button - Click OK
This message tests the R)eply behaviour for an ordered list using Thunderbird.
The above result is good.
mark lewis : August Abolins wrote:
But the whole matter about a broken Forward (Ctrl-F) may not AA> be atotal loss. When doing a Ctrl-F, the message body is AA> *not* quoted as
expected.
forwarding a message is not quoting it... forwarding is forwarding with
maybe a header added indicating it was forwarded and possibly letting you
add something else to the message body...
Yes, Mark. I believe I said that. ;)
In addition to the instructions I previously posted, you need to perform the following steps:
- Taking your POINTS folder as an example, Right-Click on your POINTS folder. - Click the Properties button. - Click the Textgruppe field. - Click on your Neue Gruppe. - Click the Ubernehmen button. - Click the OK button.
This needs to be done for every existing echomail folder for which you wish to use the new templates. I'm assuming that new echomail folders
will automatically inherit the new templates.
forwarding a message is not quoting it... forwarding is forwarding with
maybe a header added indicating it was forwarded and possibly letting you
add something else to the message body...
Yes, Mark. I believe I said that. ;)
Yes, you did :-))
26 Mar 17:59:57 [28247] VER TCMBinkP/0.71 binkp/1.1 26 Mar 17:59:57
[28247] addr: 2:221/1.58@fidonet
Is the 5Dth case sensitive?
it should not be...
All the stuff in Extras/Options/General, Allgemeines, "Andern..."
needs translation!
As does a mountain of other stuff :-((
Looks like there is a wealth of config settings in there to make our messages look the way we want.
Yup :)
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//Hallo Martin, //
am *28.03.19* um *13:04:02* schriebst Du in der Area *POINTS*
an *August Abolins* eine Mail zum
Thema *"Winpoint: buggyness?"*.
In addition to the instructions I previously posted, you need to perform
the following steps:
- Taking your POINTS folder as an example, Right-Click on your POINTS
folder. - Click the Properties button. - Click the Textgruppe field. -
Click on your Neue Gruppe. - Click the Ubernehmen button. - Click the OK
button.
Cool. Looks right. WinPoint is using the "fresh" list of templates for this reply.
This needs to be done for every existing echomail folder for which you
wish to use the new templates. I'm assuming that new echomail folders
will automatically inherit the new templates.
Yikes. I'm not sure I want to do that. :(
But this flexibility could be pretty good.
Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:
All the stuff in Extras/Options/General, Allgemeines, "Andern..."
needs translation!
As does a mountain of other stuff :-((
Looks like there is a wealth of config settings in there to make our
messages look the way we want.
Yup :)
The settings there hint at various things that can be done for handling line length, wrapping, quoting, <CRs> etc.
- Taking your POINTS folder as an example, Right-Click on your POINTS
folder. - Click the Properties button. - Click the Textgruppe field. -
Click on your Neue Gruppe. - Click the Ubernehmen button. - Click the
OK button.
Cool. Looks right. WinPoint is using the "fresh" list of templates for
this reply.
Excellent! :-)
Well actually, they're all concerned with Message List filtering. You
can filter on the following:
Absender = Sender Empfanger = Recipient Betreff = Subject Text = Text in the message body Empfangen = Received date Erstellt = Created date Flags
= Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
Interestingly, if you hover the mouse pointer over the icon at the far right-hand end of the long thick black band in WinPoint's main screen,
it says "Anzeigefilter", which means "Display Filter". Click the icon
and see what pops up :)
Absender = Sender
Empfanger = Recipient
Betreff = Subject
Text = Text in the message body
Empfangen = Received date
Erstellt = Created date
Flags = Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:
Absender = Sender
Empfanger = Recipient
Betreff = Subject
Text = Text in the message body
Empfangen = Received date
Erstellt = Created date
Flags = Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
Hmmm... Thunderbird maintains the list as is.
I don't like the way Winpoint rearranges the text from the original.
Flags = Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
because t-bird doesn't wrap quoted material when you initiate a
reply... you have to block the text and hit ctrl-r for it to rewrap
quoted text...
So.. it looks like WinPoint is limited to uplinks that support 5D only (except for mbcico(MBSE)?
It's not the uplink's mailer that's the problem, it's the hard-coded "@"
in WinPoint that's the problem.
If you specify a domain whilst configuring an AKA, everythings fine but
if you don't specify a domain, WinPoint adds "@" to the end of your AKA.
Examples:
With "fidonet" domain specified, results in 2:250/1.1@fidonet = OK
Without domain specified, results in 2:250/1.1@ = not OK.
I'm not so sure about a compatibility list but I'd already
planned on adding a warning about this somewhere in my revised
Guide that I'm working on.
I wish there was a way to M)ark or T)ag a message for later reading/replying. I don't always feel like replying to a message
that I am currently reading, but I'd like it to stand out so that I
can find those messages later.
Yeah, me too.
Thunderbird has that feature hands-down.
OpenXP also has that feature and in addition, it can list all the marked messages ;-)
I don't like the way Winpoint rearranges the text from the original.
it should only be doing that when you quote... not when the message is being displayed for reading...
I don't like the way Winpoint rearranges the text from the
original.
it should only be doing that when you quote... not when the
message is being displayed for reading...
Yeah. Bummer. I wonder what the thought process to do that
came from.
Re: Winpoint: Extras/Options/General, Allgemeines, "Andern"...
By: August Abolins to mark lewis on Fri Mar 29 2019 21:30:14
On 29.03.19, you wrote to August Abolins:
- Taking your POINTS folder as an example, Right-Click on your POINTS
folder. - Click the Properties button. - Click the Textgruppe field. -
Click on your Neue Gruppe. - Click the Ubernehmen button. - Click the
OK button.
Cool. Looks right. WinPoint is using the "fresh" list of templates
for this reply.
Excellent! :-)
ALL the new headers work EXCEPT one. FORWARDS Header & Footer remain the stubborn ones.
On 29.03.19, you wrote to August Abolins:
Well actually, they're all concerned with Message List filtering. You
can filter on the following:
Absender = Sender Empfanger = Recipient Betreff = Subject Text = Text in
the message body Empfangen = Received date Erstellt = Created date Flags
= Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
[Winpoint breaks your nice columnar list - as usual. :( ]
But the above list is pretty much all we need. That is, you already documented/translated that.
Interestingly, if you hover the mouse pointer over the icon at the far
right-hand end of the long thick black band in WinPoint's main screen,
it says "Anzeigefilter", which means "Display Filter". Click the icon
and see what pops up :)
I didn't even notice that little bugger up there. Very handy. Thanks
for pointing that out.
On 29.03.19, you wrote to August Abolins:
Flags = Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
Let's see..
Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:
Absender = Sender Empfanger = Recipient Betreff = Subject Text = Text in
the message body Empfangen = Received date Erstellt = Created date Flags =
Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
Hmmm... Thunderbird maintains the list as is.
Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:
So.. it looks like WinPoint is limited to uplinks that support 5D only
(except for mbcico(MBSE)?
It's not the uplink's mailer that's the problem, it's the hard-coded "@"
in WinPoint that's the problem.
If you specify a domain whilst configuring an AKA, everythings fine but if
you don't specify a domain, WinPoint adds "@" to the end of your AKA.
Examples: With "fidonet" domain specified, results in 2:250/1.1@fidonet =
OK Without domain specified, results in 2:250/1.1@ = not OK.
Got it. But if some uplink systems balk at that, then Winpoint is basically incompatible with those systems.
A list of those might be worth mentioning for the experimenting Winpoint user. No?
I'm not so sure about a compatibility list but I'd already planned on
adding a warning about this somewhere in my revised Guide that I'm
working on.
Ah.. Pretty much the same as above. But a general "user" (no sysop experience) may not understand the technical nature of the matter.
Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:
I wish there was a way to M)ark or T)ag a message for later
reading/replying. I don't always feel like replying to a message that I
am currently reading, but I'd like it to stand out so that I can find
those messages later.
Yeah, me too.
Thunderbird has that feature hands-down.
OpenXP also has that feature and in addition, it can list all the marked
messages ;-)
TB can do that too, via a Sort of the Tag column.
OpenXP might be fun to explore.
I see you like switching to that quite a bit.
On 2019 Mar 30 02:47:08, you wrote to Martin Foster:
Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:
Absender = Sender Empfanger = Recipient Betreff = Subject Text = Text in
the message body Empfangen = Received date Erstellt = Created date Flags
= Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
Hmmm... Thunderbird maintains the list as is.
because t-bird doesn't wrap quoted material when you initiate a reply... you have to block the text and hit ctrl-r for it to rewrap quoted text...
I don't like the way Winpoint rearranges the text from the original.
it should only be doing that when you quote... not when the message is being displayed for reading...
i think you have already mentioned that winpoint strips the hard CRs at the end of the lines and forces them to be wrapped... maybe there's a setting for that in the config? if not, it is another design flaw...
On 29.03.19, you wrote to August Abolins:Yep, lists all unread messages.
Flags = Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
Let's see..
Ungelesen = Unread
Behalten = KeepAfter playing about with this one, I can't figure out what it's
Importiert = Imported (?) ..but what does that mean?Sorts the message list on received(date).
Abschicken = Send ..is that to resend a message?Nope, it lists all unsent messages.
Verschickt = SentYep, lists all sent messages.
Losschen = DeleteThat's the literal translation but it exhibits the same behaviour as "Behalten".
And each one has three options:Ignore, as in "do nothing" :)
Ignoriern = Ignore?
Gesetzt = SetYep.
Geloscht = DeletedDunno what this is supposed to do and I would treat it with caution.
And all that is available with each Schema (scheme/approach/plan):Yep, all that's good :)
Alle Mails = All messages
Ungelesene Mails = Unread messages
Ungelesene Mails an Sysop = Unread to Sysop
Gelesene Mails = Read messages
Mails an Sysop = messages to Sysop
Verschickte Mails = Sent messages
Unverschickte Mails = Unsent messages
Mails vom Letzten Poll = messages from the last poll
Ungelestene mails vom Letzten Poll = unread messages from the last poll Mails aus der Letzen Woche = messages from the last week
Mails aus der Letzen 2 Wochen = messages from the last 2 weeks
Mails aus der Letzen 3 Wochen = messages from the last 3 weeks
Mails aus der Letzen 4 Wochen = messages from the last 4 weeks
(Feel free to use the above for your user-guide.)
Looks like Winpoint has a wealth of settings for sifting through hundreds of messages when you need help to track down particular ones.
Re: Winpoint: Extras/Options/General, Allgemeines, "Andern"...
By: August Abolins to mark lewis on Fri Mar 29 2019 21:30:14
I like the header style you used.
So, I decided to emulate that. TB has a few limitations (no To: field
in the original message) ..but the kludgy "Sender" with both names
will suffice.
Got it. But if some uplink systems balk at that, then Winpoint is
basically incompatible with those systems.
Errrrrrm, not exactly :-)
If the user leaves the "domain" field of their address empty during
the initial installation, some(but not all) remote mailers will kick
them off. I personally don't see this as an incompatibilty, I see this
as a user error.
The "domain" field is preloaded with "fidonet" and that can be changed
to suit "othernets" but, if for some reason, the user decides to
delete the contents of the "domain" field, they may not realise the implications of doing so.
Absender = Sender Empfanger = Recipient Betreff = Subject Text = Text in
the message body Empfangen = Received date Erstellt = Created date Flags
= Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
Hmmm... Thunderbird maintains the list as is.
So does OpenXP.
Here's the simple warning I'd already added to the guide:
---------- 8< ---------- WARNING: You are now in the domain field, which is pre-configured to "fidonet". Although it's OK to change this to something else, DO NOT LEAVE THIS FIELD EMPTY. If this field is empty,
you may encounter problems when polling your BossNode! ---------- 8< ----------
All uppercase words are in bold/red.
OpenXP might be fun to explore.
I wouldn't describe it as being fun, more of an adventure :-))
...Did you know it has an integrated email client and news client
in addition to the FTN stuff ;)
i didn't use that and don't really like it at all... it was put there by my (new) BBS software... all the same information is in the header
already so i just don't see any need for it to be put into the message body, too... plus it should be trimmed out in replies anyway as per nettiquette ;)
that depends on the news server you are using to read... JAMNNTPd systems can do this but i'm not sure about others... news just simply doesn't
have the same capabilities that pure FTN has and there is definitely
some loss of information...
If the user leaves the "domain" field of their address empty during the
initial installation, some(but not all) remote mailers will kick them
off. I personally don't see this as an incompatibilty, I see this as a
user error.
it is also a design flaw... it should raise a huge red error indication when there is no domain listed OR (keep reading)...
it should NOT put the @ unless there is a domain specified... so still a design flaw nonetheless...
Absender = Sender Empfanger = Recipient Betreff = Subject Text = Text in
the message body Empfangen = Received date Erstellt = Created date Flags
= Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
Hmmm... Thunderbird maintains the list as is.
So does OpenXP.
Here's the simple warning I'd already added to the guide:
---------- 8< ---------- WARNING: You are now in the domain field, which is pre-configured to "fidonet". Although it's OK to change this to something else, DO NOT LEAVE THIS FIELD EMPTY. If this field is empty,
you may encounter problems when polling your BossNode! ---------- 8< ----------
All uppercase words are in bold/red.
OpenXP might be fun to explore.
I wouldn't describe it as being fun, more of an adventure :-))
...Did you know it has an integrated email client and news client
in addition to the FTN stuff ;)
i didn't use that and don't really like it at all... it was put there by my (new) BBS software... all the same information is in the header
already so i just don't see any need for it to be put into the message body, too... plus it should be trimmed out in replies anyway as per nettiquette ;)
that depends on the news server you are using to read... JAMNNTPd systems can do this but i'm not sure about others... news just simply doesn't
have the same capabilities that pure FTN has and there is definitely
some loss of information...
If the user leaves the "domain" field of their address empty during the
initial installation, some(but not all) remote mailers will kick them
off. I personally don't see this as an incompatibilty, I see this as a
user error.
it is also a design flaw... it should raise a huge red error indication when there is no domain listed OR (keep reading)...
it should NOT put the @ unless there is a domain specified... so still a design flaw nonetheless...
Absender = Sender Empfanger = Recipient Betreff = Subject Text = Text in
the message body Empfangen = Received date Erstellt = Created date Flags
= Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
Hmmm... Thunderbird maintains the list as is.
So does OpenXP.
Hello Martin,
Here's the simple warning I'd already added to the guide:
---------- 8< ---------- WARNING: You are now in the domain field, which
is pre-configured to "fidonet". Although it's OK to change this to
something else, DO NOT LEAVE THIS FIELD EMPTY. If this field is empty,
you may encounter problems when polling your BossNode! ---------- 8<
----------
All uppercase words are in bold/red.
OpenXP might be fun to explore.
I wouldn't describe it as being fun, more of an adventure :-))
...Did you know it has an integrated email client and news client in
addition to the FTN stuff ;)
i didn't use that and don't really like it at all... it was put there by
my (new) BBS software... all the same information is in the header
already so i just don't see any need for it to be put into the message
body, too... plus it should be trimmed out in replies anyway as per
nettiquette ;)
that depends on the news server you are using to read... JAMNNTPd
systems can do this but i'm not sure about others... news just simply
doesn't have the same capabilities that pure FTN has and there is
definitely some loss of information...
If the user leaves the "domain" field of their address empty during the
initial installation, some(but not all) remote mailers will kick them
off. I personally don't see this as an incompatibilty, I see this as a
user error.
it is also a design flaw... it should raise a huge red error indication
when there is no domain listed OR (keep reading)...
it should NOT put the @ unless there is a domain specified... so still a
design flaw nonetheless...
//Resending.. I think I played around with the 5D "Uplinks" part too much.//
Absender = Sender Empfanger = Recipient Betreff = Subject Text = Text in
the message body Empfangen = Received date Erstellt = Created date Flags
= Loads of stuff, which would take 'forever' to document ;)
Hmmm... Thunderbird maintains the list as is.
So does OpenXP.
I guess the programmer/author never considered that people would ever
need ordered lists.
It looks like he intended to keep each paragraph free-flowing
I bet the only way we can keep a list ordered would be to keep
each item on its own "paragraph", such as:
[1] step 1
[2] step 2
[3] step 3
[4] step 4
The above should not end up munged when viewing with Winpoint.
//Resending.. I think I played around with the 5D "Uplinks" part too much.//
Hello Martin,
OpenXP might be fun to explore.
I wouldn't describe it as being fun, more of an adventure :-))
I am not too fond of the console look.
Plus, it only occupies one small quarter of my screen when I run
it.
I still want to "see" and access the rest of my programs/files on
the desktop.
...Did you know it has an integrated email client and news client
in addition to the FTN stuff ;)
Yes, I noticed references to email and news in the configs. That little package has a lot to boast about!
//Resending.. I think I played around with the 5D "Uplinks" part too much.//
Hello mark,
If the user leaves the "domain" field of their address empty during the
initial installation, some(but not all) remote mailers will kick them
off. I personally don't see this as an incompatibilty, I see this as a
user error.
it is also a design flaw... it should raise a huge red error indication
when there is no domain listed OR (keep reading)...
Sadly, that is indeed what was overlooked.
//Resending.. I think I played around with the 5D "Uplinks" part too much.//
Hello Martin,
Here's the simple warning I'd already added to the guide:
---------- 8< ---------- WARNING: You are now in the domain field, which
is pre-configured to "fidonet". Although it's OK to change this to
something else, DO NOT LEAVE THIS FIELD EMPTY. If this field is empty,
you may encounter problems when polling your BossNode! ---------- 8<
----------
All uppercase words are in bold/red.
That is excellent. Maybe put "may" in bold and red too.
So.. the 5D spec doesn't care what text goes there?
Can it be "this cannot be empty" ?
The warning is most certainly critical. I can see new user cleaning out that field and never suspect why a connection never succeeds.
[1] step 1
[2] step 2
[3] step 3
[4] step 4
The above should not end up munged when viewing with Winpoint.
..... it's not the reader that munges it, it's WinPoint's editor that
munges it when Quote-Replying.
I am not too fond of the console look.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder :-))
Plus, it only occupies one small quarter of my screen when I run
it.
That can be changed in the settings.
That little
package has a lot to boast about!
Yes but it's a bit like Marmite, you either love it or you hate it.
Most people hate it :-(
So.. the 5D spec doesn't care what text goes there? Can it be "thiscannot
be empty" ?
it is also a design flaw... it should raise a huge red error
indication when there is no domain listed OR (keep reading)...
Sadly, that is indeed what was overlooked.
it should NOT put the @ unless there is a domain specified... so still
a design flaw nonetheless...
Martin discovered that the @ is hardcoded, and does not clear out when the domain field is empty.
So, any gibberish in the domain field will suffice to prevent a
session from failing on strict systems looking for something in the @domain part.
it could also prevent positive connections since the domain would be
wrong... 1:2/3@fidonet is not the same as 1:2/3@fubarnet ;)
it could also prevent positive connections since the domain would be
wrong... 1:2/3@fidonet is not the same as 1:2/3@fubarnet ;)
A mix of upper/lowercase doesn't matter?
Plus, it only occupies one small quarter of my screen when I run
it.
That can be changed in the settings.
Do you mean in Config/Display/Lines?
THAT might be doable.
Yes but it's a bit like Marmite, you either love it or you hate it.
Most people hate it :-(
You do realize that you made me google that. :(
[1] step 1
[2] step 2
[3] step 3
[4] step 4
The above should not end up munged when viewing with Winpoint.
..... it's not the reader that munges it, it's WinPoint's editor that
munges it when Quote-Replying.
The blank lines in between (as above) kept your quote with the added "AA" in a list. So, that is good.
I will have to see what all the buzz is about with OpenXP.
FTN domains are maximum 8 characters long and cannot contain spaces... they do not contain dots or other non-alphanumeric characters, either...
FTN domains are maximum 8 characters long and cannot contain spaces...
they do not contain dots or other non-alphanumeric characters,
either...
Oh, I wasn't aware of the character length limit,
thanks for the heads-up.
I bet the only way we can keep a list ordered would be to keep each item on its own "paragraph", such as:
[1] step 1
[2] step 2
[3] step 3
[4] step 4
The above should not end up munged when viewing with Winpoint.
I bet the only way we can keep a list ordered would be to keep each item
on its own "paragraph", such as:
[1] step 1
[2] step 2
[3] step 3
[4] step 4
The above should not end up munged when viewing with Winpoint.
Testing WinPoint "reply" with against listed items that are separated by
a blank line.
Looks good.
I wonder if this will make it to the echo.
[1] How do you create a new message from scratch?
[2] how do you delete a block of text?
IndeedYes.. absolutely.I am not too fond of the console look.Beauty is in the eye of the beholder :-))
But there is something about the console-look that just seems backward-looking.
My brain is saying "we ought to be able to do much better than that by now". lol
But there is something about the console-look that just seems
backward-looking.
From your point of view ;)
My brain is saying "we ought to be able to do much better than that by AA>> now". lol
My brain says why do so many things get less efficient over time ;)
But I like OpenXP, Golded and WinPoint.
WinPoint is without source and extremely buggy.
OpenXP is originally written for Zerberus (?) and Fido is bolstered on.
Golded needs a dedicated tosser and mailer (that is not necessarily a bad thing ...) But all of them have their advantages.
On 01.04.19 at 14:44, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:
I wonder if this will make it to the echo.
ACK :)
Hello August!
On 01.04.19 at 14:56, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:
[1] How do you create a new message from scratch?
Cursor over the area you wish to post in and press "w".
You may find the online help quite useful :-))))
I wonder if this will make it to the echo.
ACK :)
A handful of messages on Apr 1 ended up as BAD packets at the boss system (due to the upload/download packer matter mentioned earlier.) The one above was re-tossed manually by the boss.
Thankfully, the messages were not lost and gone forever. They just needed human intervention.
[1] How do you create a new message from scratch?
Cursor over the area you wish to post in and press "w".
Thanks for that and delete block text how-to.
I eventually noticed the "context help" via F1 that displayed all
the editing tricks.
You may find the online help quite useful :-))))
You mean the F1 as above?
..or is there a webpage that has a handy summary that I can keep
open in a separate window?
OpenXP is originally written for Zerberus (?) and Fido is bolstered on.^^^^^^^^
OpenXP is originally written for Zerberus (?) and Fido is^^^^^^^^
bolstered on.
You may find this interesting: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-Netz
I eventually noticed the "context help" via F1 that displayed all
the editing tricks.
... is there a webpage that has a handy summary that I can keep
open in a separate window?
Not that I'm aware of.
I can recommend OpenXP :-))
If you do decide to have a look, I would *STRONGLY* advise you to grab
a copy of "oxpguide.pdf" and read sections 1 and 2 before proceeding
with the installation and configuration.
I eventually noticed the "context help" via F1 that displayed all
the editing tricks.
... is there a webpage that has a handy summary that I can keep
open in a separate window?
Not that I'm aware of.
Do you want one?
I can recommend OpenXP :-))
If you do decide to have a look, I would *STRONGLY* advise you to grab
a copy of "oxpguide.pdf" and read sections 1 and 2 before proceeding
with the installation and configuration.
I just happened to notice that the guide comes along for the ride in the program archive. The pdf is in the unpacked /doc directory.
Do you want one?... is there a webpage that has a handy summary that I can keep
open in a separate window?
A webpage or a handy summary? :-)
I just happened to notice that the guide comes along for the ride in
the program archive. The pdf is in the unpacked /doc directory.
Yes it does and yes it is :-)
The reason why I gave the advice was that by the time the user finds
the document, it may be too late, IYSWIM.
I just happened to notice that the guide comes along for the ride in
the program archive. The pdf is in the unpacked /doc directory.
Yes it does and yes it is :-)
The reason why I gave the advice was that by the time the user finds
the document, it may be too late, IYSWIM.
If the directory was /DOC instead of /doc, I may have noticed it.
Maybe the archive could include a README.txt that specifically
states "Please see /doc for "oxpguide.pdf"
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