Hello All!

Another to ALL.

..but this one should have some text in the origin line.



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On 2019 Apr 13 19:49:20, you wrote to All:

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Hello All!

Another to ALL.

..but this one should have some text in the origin line.

no text in the origin line is perfectly fine... there's nothing that requires any text in there other than the 10 character lead-in and the originatine address in parenthesis at the end... there's generally at least one space in an
empty origin line and one before and after text if there is text in one...

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Hello mark!

** 13.04.19 - 22:01, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

no text in the origin line is perfectly fine... there's nothing that requires any text in there other than the 10 character lead-in and the originatine address in parenthesis at the end... there's generally at
least one space in an empty origin line and one before and after text if there is text in one...

Thanks for that. I almost prefer the text-free Origin line - especially
as a point system anyway.

But apologies for missing a Subject in the original post! Apoint did not seem to have a warning for that.

Still learning the ropes of the various point programs. Not sure which
boat I will sail. But sofar, OpenXP are winning. Apoint is too soon to
jump ship.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

On 13.04.19 at 19:49, August Abolins wrote to All:

Hello All!

Another to ALL.

..but this one should have some text in the origin line.

-+- APoint 1.25
+ Origin: APoint - for a better understanding (2:221/1.58)

Ack!

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Marmite-on-Toast (2:240/2188.31)

Hello August!

On 14.04.19 at 00:38, August Abolins wrote to mark lewis:

[snip]

Still learning the ropes of the various point programs. Not sure
which boat I will sail. But sofar, OpenXP are winning. Apoint
is too soon to jump ship.

Which kinda implies that you've crossed WinPoint off your list, yes?

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Marmite-on-Toast (2:240/2188.31)

On 2019 Apr 14 00:38:00, you wrote to me:

no text in the origin line is perfectly fine... there's nothing that
requires any text in there other than the 10 character lead-in and
the originatine address in parenthesis at the end... there's
generally at least one space in an empty origin line and one before
and after text if there is text in one...

Thanks for that. I almost prefer the text-free Origin line -
especially as a point system anyway.

:)

But apologies for missing a Subject in the original post! Apoint did
not seem to have a warning for that.

no apology needed here... i rarely ever look at the message headers... 99.999% of the time, i only look at the next message body... maybe once in a while i'll
look at the header to see who wrote to whom but that's just being nosey :lol:

Still learning the ropes of the various point programs. Not sure
which boat I will sail. But sofar, OpenXP are winning. Apoint is too soon to jump ship.

keep your life jacket on or at least tied to you so you can get it on if you have to :lol:

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... The privilege of fools is to laugh at persons of sense!
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In a post between "Martin Foster : August Abolins", on 4/14/2019 4:30 AM

Still learning the ropes of the various point programs. Not sure
which boat I will sail. But sofar, OpenXP are winning. Apoint
is too soon to jump ship.

Which kinda implies that you've crossed WinPoint off your list, yes?

No necessarily. I still use it to "browse" the nodelist when I have oxp open.
But I am not likely to use winpoint on a regular basis. oxp is *much* better.

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Hello August!

On 14.04.19 at 17:20, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Still learning the ropes of the various point programs. Not
sure which boat I will sail. But sofar, OpenXP are winning.
Apoint is too soon to jump ship.

Which kinda implies that you've crossed WinPoint off your list, yes?

No necessarily. I still use it to "browse" the nodelist when I
have oxp open. But I am not likely to use winpoint on a regular
basis. oxp is *much* better.

Although I've gone off WinPoint a bit, I still need to look at bolting
on an external editor. Hopefully, that will be the solution to having
to use the rubbish internal editor. If it is, then that may bring back
my interest :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

Hello Martin!

** 15.04.19 - 13:52, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Which kinda implies that you've crossed WinPoint off your list, yes?

No necessarily. I still use it to "browse" the nodelist when I
have oxp open. But I am not likely to use winpoint on a regular
basis. oxp is *much* better.

Although I've gone off WinPoint a bit, I still need to look at bolting
on an external editor. Hopefully, that will be the solution to having
to use the rubbish internal editor. If it is, then that may bring back
my interest :)

I like your term "bolting". I just tried to use an external editor with Apoint, but it won't work.



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)

Hello mark!

** 14.04.19 - 09:14, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

But apologies for missing a Subject in the original post! Apoint did
not seem to have a warning for that.

no apology needed here... i rarely ever look at the message headers... 99.999% of the time, i only look at the next message body... maybe once in a while i'll look at the header to see who wrote to whom but that's just being nosey :lol:

Hmmm.. Yes, I find most people are lazy and don't even "adjust" the
subject to reflect the content. Instead you'll find reply after reply, veering off-the-original-topic quickly and no one bothers to update the subject line! :(


But I sure am glad that threading is maintained in modern readers, so as
to "kill" or skip a thread if desired. Not sure how to do that in this
oxp, but in t-bird it is a great feature.


../|ug

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On 2019 Apr 17 00:29:00, you wrote to me:

But apologies for missing a Subject in the original post! Apoint
did not seem to have a warning for that.

no apology needed here... i rarely ever look at the message
headers... 99.999% of the time, i only look at the next message
body... maybe once in a while i'll look at the header to see who
wrote to whom but that's just being nosey :lol:

Hmmm.. Yes, I find most people are lazy and don't even "adjust" the subject to reflect the content. Instead you'll find reply after
reply, veering off-the-original-topic quickly and no one bothers to
update the subject line! :(

yet another strike against subject line sorting and ordering... i've always tossed the mail as it arrived and never sorted it... with a proper reader capable of MSGID/REPLY linking, you can walk through the branches of a thread quite easily...

But I sure am glad that threading is maintained in modern readers, so
as to "kill" or skip a thread if desired. Not sure how to do that in
this oxp, but in t-bird it is a great feature.

in the BBS world, you use the [NEXT] key or a twit filter ;)

)\/(ark

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Hello August!

On 16.04.19 at 19:05:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Which kinda implies that you've crossed WinPoint off your list, yes?

No necessarily. I still use it to "browse" the nodelist when I have
oxp open. But I am not likely to use winpoint on a regular basis. oxp
is *much* better.

Although I've gone off WinPoint a bit, I still need to look at bolting
on an external editor. Hopefully, that will be the solution to having to
use the rubbish internal editor. If it is, then that may bring back my
interest :)

I like your term "bolting".

Ah well, it's a commonly used term here in the UK :)

I just tried to use an external editor with Apoint, but it won't work.

Thanks for confirming that.

AAMOI, I've just discovered that <Ctrl+Y> can be used in WinPoint's editor to delete a line of text. Only snag is, it deletes the line of text *below* the cursor <mutter>.

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
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Hello Martin!

** 17.04.19 - 11:39, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

AAMOI, I've just discovered that <Ctrl+Y> can be used in WinPoint's editor to delete a line of text. Only snag is, it deletes the line of text
*below* the cursor <mutter>.

Ctrl+Y is something I only used here in oxp.

In Winpoint, I just select the lines with Shift+Up/DownArrow keys, and
then press DEL. At least that method is consistent everywhere, sofar.

But the Ctrl+Y in Winpoint as you have described above is a bit annoying, agreed! Add another tick for its buggyness list. :(

I really like Winpoint's appearance over Apoint. But it is tough to
settle on Winpoint if these odd things crop up.

How goes your bolting an external editor in Winpoint?



../|ug

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In a post between "Martin Foster : August Abolins", on 4/17/2019 6:39 AM

AAMOI, ...
ISWYM ...

etc..

I have not seen those acronyms in a long time! Shamefully, I had to look them up. :(

--- Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228)
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Hello August!

On 18.04.19 at 04:32, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

AAMOI, ...
ISWYM ...

etc..

I have not seen those acronyms in a long time! Shamefully, I had
to look them up. :(

Tut-tut! :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

On 17.04.19 at 21:14, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

AAMOI, I've just discovered that <Ctrl+Y> can be used in WinPoint's
editor to delete a line of text. Only snag is, it deletes the line of
text *below* the cursor <mutter>.

Ctrl+Y is something I only used here in oxp.

Yeah, me too.

In Winpoint, I just select the lines with Shift+Up/DownArrow
keys, and then press DEL. At least that method is consistent
everywhere, sofar.

Yes, that's what I do.

But the Ctrl+Y in Winpoint as you have described above is a bit annoying, agreed! Add another tick for its buggyness list. :(

I really like Winpoint's appearance over Apoint. But it is tough to settle on Winpoint if these odd things crop up.

I have to confess that I find the look and feel of WinPoint far more appealing than APoint. I've spent ages messing about with different combinations of font/colours in APoint but as yet, I haven't found a combination that suits me.

How goes your bolting an external editor in Winpoint?

It isn't :(

Although there's no setting in WinPoint for an external editor, I
thought there might be something in the registry that I could tweak
but there isn't :(

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

I have to confess that I find the look and feel of WinPoint far
more appealing than APoint. I've spent ages messing about with
different combinations of font/colours in APoint but as yet, I
haven't found a combination that suits me.

Why not just start with the same settings you have in Winpoint? But, as I describe below, you may need to apply the same settings in each "view" window.
For starters, I just changed the font and size to match what I have in Winpoint. I haven't played with the colours. I think that would drive me crazy if a colour combination didn't look right. A simple white background is easiest on the eyes.

I see that Apoint allows different font/view settings for each break-out screen. I don't necessary like the idea of completely separate windows for each (that is, one for the AREA that you are reading, another for the actual message you are reading, and yet another for editing the message). But I can appreciate the design. It certainly takes advantage of "windows" in Windows! If I had a larger screen, I'd spread them apart so they don't overlap as much as they do on my modest 1400x1050 14" screen laptop. But, like anything else, I can get used to it.

../|ug

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Hello August!

On 19.04.19 at 01:03, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

I have to confess that I find the look and feel of WinPoint far
more appealing than APoint. I've spent ages messing about with
different combinations of font/colours in APoint but as yet, I
haven't found a combination that suits me.

Why not just start with the same settings you have in Winpoint?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to achieve.

But, as I describe below, you may need to apply the same settings
in each "view" window.

Yes, you do need to apply the settings to each individual window.

[snip]

I see that Apoint allows different font/view settings for each
break-out screen.

Yes it does but I've found one colour setting that doesn't "stick".
One by one, I changed the background colour of each window and they
all "stuck" apart from the message editor window. After changing it,
exiting the window and then going back, it had changed back to the
default background colour. I can repeat this over and over and over
again and my changes to the background colour never "stick".

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Nice! :-))

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

Hello Martin!

** 20.04.19 - 07:59, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

..I've found one colour setting that doesn't "stick".
One by one, I changed the background colour of each window and they
all "stuck" apart from the message editor window. After changing it, exiting the window and then going back, it had changed back to the
default background colour. I can repeat this over and over and over
again and my changes to the background colour never "stick".

Yes.. same result here. That darn editor window is a holdout.

Meanwhile, I found another little issue, but it is hard to describe.

When I was experimenting with the colours for each window, the colour
control pop-up looked strange, and some of the content was "crowded".

When I changed the then existing font to another style, the "problem"
seemed to go away.

The screenshots will illustrate. Screenshots are going out to you.



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: From somewhere in Hastings County, Ontario (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

On 26/04/2019 23:22:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

..I've found one colour setting that doesn't "stick". One by one, I
changed the background colour of each window and they all "stuck"
apart from the message editor window. After changing it, exiting the
window and then going back, it had changed back to the default
background colour. I can repeat this over and over and over again
and my changes to the background colour never "stick".

Yes.. same result here. That darn editor window is a holdout.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Meanwhile, I found another little issue, but it is hard to describe.

Uh-oh!

When I was experimenting with the colours for each window, the colour control pop-up looked strange, and some of the content was "crowded".

When I changed the then existing font to another style, the "problem" seemed to go away.

The screenshots will illustrate. Screenshots are going out to you.

Received them thanks but I don't ever recalling having that problem?

Regards,
Martin

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