• winpoint: 1:1/1

    From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Mon May 4 13:05:00 2020
    Hello August!

    *** Saturday 02.05.20 at 00:24, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    Did you mean the DistribNL directory :)

    Yes.. I was thinking "the directory where the nodelists are dropped into".

    When I cleared out the old ones, including the diffs, and freshened it
    up with a recent nodelist, the NL viewer (F9) showed the correct
    entries.

    'scuse me but there shouldn't be any "rogue" nodelist/nodediff files in
    there anyway.

    When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint magically unpacks them.

    I've never seen that happen here ?

    [snip]
    WinPoint may be the better GUI-based point program compared to Apoint,

    Yes, it's a much more aesthetically pleasing GUI but it's such a great
    shame that all the bugs and issues will never be fixed. Perhaps someone should waft $$$$$$'s under Tim's nose ;)

    but I'd rather prefer to take the smoother ride that OpenXP offers.

    Yeah me too and we have a very responsive developer.

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Mon May 4 09:56:00 2020
    Hello Martin!

    ** On Monday 04.05.20 - 13:05, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint
    magically unpacks them.

    I've never seen that happen here ?

    HUH? Of course you have. It's even documented, by you. ;)

    While WinPoint is loaded and running, and I drag and drop a noldelist
    archive from the inbound directory to the DistribNL direcory, the NODELIST.Z## file is automatically replaced by its unpacked equivalent
    (and the original archive is gone).


    WinPoint may be the better GUI-based point program compared to Apoint,

    Yes, it's a much more aesthetically pleasing GUI but it's such a great shame that all the bugs and issues will never be fixed. Perhaps someone should waft $$$$$$'s under Tim's nose ;)

    I don't know who might have these wafts of $$$$$$'s that you mention, especially at this covid/lockdown/stay-home time.

    The hobby needs much greater appeal to make a point program project worth
    the effort.

    My guess is that the author lost the code since those many years ago. Otherwise, abandoning a fine program like WinPoint does not make much
    sense from a geek point of view. Any programmer/geek would love to
    revisit old code and make adjustments.

    I used to work on a computer called a MacroDataII. It used paper tape to
    read a program. I was responsible for programming that darn thing. Programming was all in octal! I wrote a decompiler to decode old tapes.
    I'd love to see that code again!


    but I'd rather prefer to take the smoother ride that OpenXP offers.

    Yeah me too and we have a very responsive developer.

    I am gradually using OpenXP a bit more for some select newsgroups (nntp). Infact, it can work rather well for some othernets that have an nntp feed!

    Dovenet (which is NOT ftn-based, but has an nntp alternative) looks and operates quite well in oxp.

    Scinet, Whispernet, Spooknet, do not cooperate with oxp as a nntp feed.
    But they look great using Thunderbird.


    ../|ug

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  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Mon May 11 09:41:00 2020
    Hello August!

    *** Sunday 10.05.20 at 17:27, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    Winpoint needs to be running for that to work. You're messin' with my
    mind. :/ Make sure you have Winpoint running, drop a nodelist.z## in
    the \DistribNL folder and watch Winpoint change it from nodelist.z## to
    nodelist.###

    I'm still watching and nothing's happened yet :)

    Short of capturing on vidoe what I see, I don't know how to convince you that it *is* happening here.

    I'm merely trying to reproduce on my own system what's happening on your system but I can't.

    Maybe your WinPoint is not activate to auto-unpack or something like
    that?

    In Extras/Options/Automation, I have:

    List updates = Automatic in Background

    Yep, same here.

    It was a brief confirmation in echomail. Despite my archive of msgs in
    POINTS, I can't seem to spot the specific exchange we had about it.

    I've found one that's relevant to this thread but I don't know if it's
    the same one you had in mind. Try doing a MsgID search for 4c120309
    with OpenXP...
    [snip]

    If you can't find that message, let me know and I'll repost it.

    I found it, but not in my local OpenXP. For me, that Winpoint discussion predated my introduction to OXP, so I looked in my Winpoint. Thankfully, Winpoint automatically includes the msgid in its "text" searches!

    Oh, I didn't know WinPoint did that, thanks for the heads-up.

    In 4c1201309 the last sentence you wrote: "WinPoint's nodelist processor cannot process packed nodelist/pointlist files, although it can process packed nodediff/pointdiff files."

    I hear ya. But I swear to you, simply dropping the packed nodelist automatically unpacks here! I still have to Shift+Ctl+L or "Fidonet/ProcessNodelist" manually for the new nodelist to update, however.

    Hmmm, well, there's obviously a difference somewhere between our setups
    but what it is eludes me right now. Perhaps one day, one of us will find
    it.

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Mon May 11 18:23:04 2020
    On 11/05/2020 4:41 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

    In Extras/Options/Automation, I have:
    List updates = Automatic in Background

    Yep, same here.
    [snip]

    Hmmm, well, there's obviously a difference somewhere between our
    setups but what it is eludes me right now. Perhaps one day, one
    of us will find it.

    The change from nodelist.Z## to nodelist.### happens really fast and without any
    other visual clues that "processing" is going on.

    I'll try to get this on video for you.


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  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed May 13 09:22:00 2020
    Hello August!

    *** Monday 11.05.20 at 18:23, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    In Extras/Options/Automation, I have:
    List updates = Automatic in Background

    Yep, same here.
    [snip]

    Hmmm, well, there's obviously a difference somewhere between our
    setups but what it is eludes me right now. Perhaps one day, one
    of us will find it.

    The change from nodelist.Z## to nodelist.### happens really fast and without any other visual clues that "processing" is going on.

    I'll try to get this on video for you.

    OkiDoki.

    In the meantime, here's my Fido nodelist config .....

    Extras -> Options -> Nodelists

    Name: Fidonet
    Nodelist: NODELIST
    Nodediff: NODEDIFF
    Archive: NODEDIFF.Z??

    Note: NODELIST, NODEDIFF and NODEDIFF.Z?? all point to WinPoint's
    DistribNL directory.

    How does all that compare with your config?

    Regards,
    Martin

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    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.59 to Martin Foster on Wed May 13 08:11:36 2020
    Hello Martin,

    On Wednesday 13.05.20, you wrote to August Abolins:

    In the meantime, here's my Fido nodelist config .....

    Extras -> Options -> Nodelists

    Name: Fidonet
    Nodelist: NODELIST
    Nodediff: NODEDIFF
    Archive: NODEDIFF.Z??

    Note: NODELIST, NODEDIFF and NODEDIFF.Z?? all point to WinPoint's DistribNL directory.

    How does all that compare with your config?


    It's the same.

    I really have to get that little video done for you!


    ../|ug

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  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Fri May 1 11:29:00 2020
    Hello August!

    *** Saturday 25.04.20 at 17:12, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    Again, I fear I have bothered him enough. Just glad I have my
    connection.

    He is 1:1/1
    ^ ?

    I was getting that from the nodelist viewer too, but the name it was showing was Jon Justvig, Fidonews Editor. Totally strange.

    Yeah but what I was questioning was that I didn't think there was such an address as 1:1/1

    MEANWHILE, I think I solved the Winpoint Optimization problem. It is related to the nodelist.

    Oh, OK.

    Apparently, Winpoint gets confused if it finds rogue NODELIST.###
    files in the NodelistDL directory.

    Did you mean the DistribNL directory :)

    When I cleared out the old ones, including the diffs, and freshened
    it up with a recent nodelist, the NL viewer (F9) showed the correct entries.

    'scuse me but there shouldn't be any "rogue" nodelist/nodediff files in
    there anyway.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.43
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.59 to Martin Foster on Sat May 2 00:24:05 2020
    Hello Martin,

    On Friday 01.05.20, you wrote to August Abolins:

    Did you mean the DistribNL directory :)

    Yes.. I was thinking "the directory where the nodelists are dropped into".


    When I cleared out the old ones, including the diffs, and freshened it
    up with a recent nodelist, the NL viewer (F9) showed the correct
    entries.

    'scuse me but there shouldn't be any "rogue" nodelist/nodediff files in there anyway.

    When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint magically unpacks them. The unpacked version continues to reside there. I had previous older "versions" of nodelists (and not necessarily in sequence) in there as well. But when I deleted the old ones, and recompiled the nodelist, the 1:1/1 entry disappeared.

    WinPoint may be the better GUI-based point program compared to Apoint, but I'd rather prefer to take the smoother ride that OpenXP offers.


    ../|ug


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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.59 to Martin Foster on Sat Apr 25 17:12:29 2020
    Hello Martin,

    On 25.04.20, you wrote to Alan Beck:

    Again, I fear I have bothered him enough. Just glad I have my
    connection.

    He is 1:1/1
    ^ ?


    I was getting that from the nodelist viewer too, but the name it was showing was Jon Justvig, Fidonews Editor. Totally strange.

    MEANWHILE, I think I solved the Winpoint Optimization problem. It is related to the nodelist.

    Apparently, Winpoint gets confused if it finds rogue NODELIST.### files in the NodelistDL directory. When I cleared out the old ones, including the diffs, and freshened it up with a recent nodelist, the NL viewer (F9) showed the correct entries.


    ../|ug

    --- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
    * Origin: Please write your complaint in this box [ ] - Legibly (2:221/1.59)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.59 to Martin Foster on Sun May 10 17:27:38 2020
    Hello Martin,

    On Wednesday 06.05.20, you wrote to August Abolins:

    Winpoint needs to be running for that to work. You're messin' with my
    mind. :/ Make sure you have Winpoint running, drop a nodelist.z## in
    the \DistribNL folder and watch Winpoint change it from nodelist.z## to
    nodelist.###

    I'm still watching and nothing's happened yet :)

    Short of capturing on vidoe what I see, I don't know how to convince you that it *is* happening here.

    Maybe your WinPoint is not activate to auto-unpack or something like that?

    In Extras/Options/Automation, I have:

    List updates = Automatic in Background


    It was a brief confirmation in echomail. Despite my archive of msgs in
    POINTS, I can't seem to spot the specific exchange we had about it.

    I've found one that's relevant to this thread but I don't know if it's
    the same one you had in mind. Try doing a MsgID search for 4c120309
    with OpenXP...
    [snip]

    If you can't find that message, let me know and I'll repost it.

    I found it, but not in my local OpenXP. For me, that Winpoint discussion predated my introduction to OXP, so I looked in my Winpoint. Thankfully, Winpoint automatically includes the msgid in its "text" searches!

    In 4c1201309 the last sentence you wrote: "WinPoint's nodelist processor cannot process packed nodelist/pointlist files, although it can process packed nodediff/pointdiff files."

    I hear ya. But I swear to you, simply dropping the packed nodelist automatically unpacks here! I still have to Shift+Ctl+L or "Fidonet/ProcessNodelist" manually for the new nodelist to update, however.


    ../|ug

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  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Tue May 5 20:35:00 2020
    Hello August!

    *** Monday 04.05.20 at 09:56, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint
    magically unpacks them.

    I've never seen that happen here ?

    HUH? Of course you have.

    See below .....

    It's even documented, by you. ;)

    Where?

    While WinPoint is loaded and running, and I drag and drop a noldelist archive from the inbound directory to the DistribNL direcory, the NODELIST.Z## file is automatically replaced by its unpacked equivalent (and the original archive is gone).

    ..... I've just tried that and absolutely nothing happened.

    WinPoint may be the better GUI-based point program compared to Apoint,

    Yes, it's a much more aesthetically pleasing GUI but it's such a great
    shame that all the bugs and issues will never be fixed. Perhaps someone
    should waft $$$$$$'s under Tim's nose ;)

    I don't know who might have these wafts of $$$$$$'s that you mention, especially at this covid/lockdown/stay-home time.

    Perhaps there's a "money bags" lurking in a dark corner LOL!

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.43
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Tue May 5 21:53:00 2020
    Hello Martin!

    ** On Tuesday 05.05.20 - 20:35, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint
    magically unpacks them.

    I've never seen that happen here ?

    Winpoint needs to be running for that to work. You're messin' with my
    mind. :/ Make sure you have Winpoint running, drop a nodelist.z## in
    the \DistribNL folder and watch Winpoint change it from nodelist.z## to nodelist.###


    It's even documented, by you. ;)

    Where?

    It was a brief confirmation in echomail. Despite my archive of msgs in POINTS, I can't seem to spot the specific exchange we had about it. I
    just accepted Winpoint's auto-extraction of the nodelist as default, and moved on. But the bottom line was that the .Z## file had to be physically moved to the /DistribNL directory after a file-request.

    Even if you don't have Winpoint running when you do the drag-drop, the
    .Z## file will be automatically extracted the next time you launch
    Winpoint. And, this is assuming you still have all the fields in Extras/ Options/Nodelists filled in - of course.


    While WinPoint is loaded and running, and I drag and drop a noldelist
    archive from the inbound directory to the DistribNL direcory, the
    NODELIST.Z## file is automatically replaced by its unpacked equivalent
    (and the original archive is gone).

    ..... I've just tried that and absolutely nothing happened.

    :( See above.


    I don't know who might have these wafts of $$$$$$'s that you
    mention, especially at this covid/lockdown/stay-home time.

    Perhaps there's a "money bags" lurking in a dark corner LOL!

    How do we get their attention to crawl out of that dark corner. If I had
    the $$$$$$'s, I'd be using it to cover actual bills at this time.


    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.43
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