• TZUTC kludge

    From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Andre on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    Hi,

    [Now that I know you are reading here. ;)]

    How about D'Bridge adding a TZUTC kludge to messages it generates? Should be easy enough to implement!?

    Bye, Wilfred.


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    Wilfred,

    How about D'Bridge adding a TZUTC kludge to messages it generates? Should be easy enough to implement!?

    That looks like a private conversation ... maybe move it to netmail before the self-appointed echo-snatching moderator finds out. :-)

    \%/@rd

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    On 01 Oct 15 17:41:43, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Nick Andre:

    [Now that I know you are reading here. ;)]

    I have many areas I lurk in... :)

    How about D'Bridge adding a TZUTC kludge to messages it generates? Should b easy enough to implement!?

    Noted.

    Nick

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Andre on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    Hi,

    On 2015-10-01 15:34:20, Nick Andre wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:
    about: "Re: TZUTC kludge":

    How about D'Bridge adding a TZUTC kludge to messages it generates?
    Should b easy enough to implement!?

    Noted.

    Seriously, why wouldn't you implement it?

    I'm asking because I was thinking about a maintenance function in FMail to sort
    messages in a jam area in chronological order. It sometimes happens when there is a "hickup" in the echomail feed, you get a bunch of pkt files at once that don't get imported in their proper order. Reading the new messages in an area where this happend is not pleasant.

    But to be able to sort messages in their propper chronological order, in this world wide network, you need to know their "real" time in UTC.

    So I was going through some areas to look at the usage of the TZUTC flag, and was surprised how little it is used.

    I could implement some lookup table that determines the UTC offset from the zone and netnumber. But that is a lot of work and not watertight. Because there
    are for instance points that are in a different timezone than their bosses. So it would be better if the TZUTC flag would be present in as many as possible messages!

    Bye, Wilfred.


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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    On 01 Oct 15 23:25:50, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Nick Andre:

    How about D'Bridge adding a TZUTC kludge to messages it generates?
    Should b easy enough to implement!?

    Noted.

    Seriously, why wouldn't you implement it?

    I never said I wouldn't. I noted the request. Somewhere between a
    magical mystical sexy fancy Linux version and support for Squish/JAM/Synchronet/Wildcat/Whatever I'll add something for this. Possibly just code for the editor to add whatever user-defined kludges defined.

    So I was going through some areas to look at the usage of the TZUTC flag, a was surprised how little it is used.

    You have to remember that a lot of Fido products were written during a time when Echomail was really becoming popular and programmers could not necessarily agree on what kludges to implement as standard. A lot of
    software really implemented what was "required" and not proposals.

    INTL and FMPT/TOPT come to mind... I'm sure theres others.

    Nick

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Andre on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    Hi,

    On 2015-10-01 15:34:20, Nick Andre wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:
    about: "Re: TZUTC kludge":

    How about D'Bridge adding a TZUTC kludge to messages it generates?
    Should b easy enough to implement!?

    Btw: Your editor is broken. It cut out part (the letter 'e') of my original text in the quote.

    And there is no reply kludge, so the reply-chain gets broken. :-(


    Bye, Wilfred.


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Andre on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    Hi,

    On 2015-10-01 18:55:48, Nick Andre wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:
    about: "Re: TZUTC kludge":

    Noted.

    Seriously, why wouldn't you implement it?

    I never said I wouldn't. I noted the request.

    Afaik 'noted' is mostly used when people want to say they read it, but don't intend to do anything further with it... ;)

    Somewhere between a magical mystical sexy fancy Linux version

    Tell me about it. It's on my list to create a linux FMail, for ages. ;)

    and support for Squish/JAM/Synchronet/Wildcat/Whatever I'll add
    something for this. Possibly just code for the editor to add whatever user-defined kludges defined.

    It's a small request, so easy to sqeeze in there somewhere! ;)

    So I was going through some areas to look at the usage of the TZUTC
    flag, a was surprised how little it is used.

    You have to remember that a lot of Fido products were written during a time when Echomail was really becoming popular and programmers could
    not necessarily agree on what kludges to implement as standard. A lot
    of software really implemented what was "required" and not proposals.

    INTL and FMPT/TOPT come to mind... I'm sure theres others.

    Of course, but the TZUTC kludge is a standard now:

    http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-4008.002

    Bye, Wilfred.


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Andre on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    Hi,

    On 2015-10-02 08:38:53, Nick Andre wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:
    about: "Re: TZUTC kludge":

    Btw: Your editor is broken. It cut out part (the letter 'e') of my
    original text in the quote.

    And there is no reply kludge, so the reply-chain gets broken. :-(

    I know, this is my BBS software, not the mailer thats doing that.

    I have the source code to my BBS software but have not gotten around to fixing the linking. The message quoting I'm not touching with a ten-foot-pole.

    ;) Spaghetti code? ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Andre on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    Hi,

    On 2015-10-02 08:39:25, Nick Andre wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:
    about: "Re: TZUTC kludge":

    Of course, but the TZUTC kludge is a standard now:

    I shall add it then...

    Thank you on behalve of all fidonet members (well most of them). ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.


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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    On 01 Oct 15 23:59:45, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Nick Andre:

    How about D'Bridge adding a TZUTC kludge to messages it generates?
    Should b easy enough to implement!?

    Btw: Your editor is broken. It cut out part (the letter 'e') of my original text in the quote.

    And there is no reply kludge, so the reply-chain gets broken. :-(

    I know, this is my BBS software, not the mailer thats doing that.

    I have the source code to my BBS software but have not gotten around to fixing the linking. The message quoting I'm not touching with a ten-foot-pole.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    On 02 Oct 15 12:33:54, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Nick Andre:

    INTL and FMPT/TOPT come to mind... I'm sure theres others.

    Of course, but the TZUTC kludge is a standard now:

    I shall add it then...

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    On 02 Oct 15 18:21:10, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Nick Andre:

    And there is no reply kludge, so the reply-chain gets broken. :-(

    I know, this is my BBS software, not the mailer thats doing that.

    I have the source code to my BBS software but have not gotten around t fixing the linking. The message quoting I'm not touching with a ten-foot-pole.

    ;) Spaghetti code? ;)

    To say its spaghetti code would be insulting spaghetti.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    On 02 Oct 15 18:22:36, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Nick Andre:

    Of course, but the TZUTC kludge is a standard now:

    I shall add it then...

    Thank you on behalve of all fidonet members (well most of them). ;)

    All Fidonet members are upset because the Reply kludge is missing from my BBS software? :)

    Nick

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to mark lewis on Fri Jul 27 01:25:02 2018
    Hi,

    On 2015-10-02 14:04:26, mark lewis wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
    about: "TZUTC kludge":

    Of course, but the TZUTC kludge is a standard now:

    I shall add it then...

    Thank you on behalve of all fidonet members (well most of them). ;)

    you do realize that it won't/shouldn't change messages that he posts from within his renegade bbs, right? ;)

    One doesn't exclude the other! He has the source, so there is still hope, he might fix that too... ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.


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